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Maximalist Life
This is Maximalist Life, with Brianna Gamble and Tamika Stringfellow. This unfiltered podcast is your permission slip to chase after everything you damn well desire.
Join us as we dish out no-holds-barred conversations and invite you to step into a life filled with limitless possibilities. Forget fear and embrace the maximalist mentality with us every week.
Get ready to experience piss your pants laughter, cringe-worthy truths, and be inspired to break free from living a mediocre life.
Maximalist Life
Ep 32 - Networking Without the Awkward Vibes
Episode Summary:
We’re diving into what it really feels like to show up confidently in networking spaces — especially when you're surrounded by people who seem more successful (even if they’re not). Imposter syndrome loves to creep in, but we’ve got thoughts on how to shut it down. 💥
✨ Confidence starts with owning your worth — no matter how your business stacks up next to someone else’s.
🙅🏽♀️ Shrinking yourself is so common, especially for women entrepreneurs — but you deserve to take up space.
🎨 Creative businesses often get side-eyed by people in more “traditional” fields… but that doesn't make them any less powerful.
😎 Confidence ≠ cockiness. There’s a difference, and it shows.
👋 Sometimes the best networking move is a simple “hey.” Take the pressure off and just be a real human.
🧠 Your mindset matters. Saying “I own a photography studio” hits way different than “I’m just a photographer.”
🤝 The goal isn’t to impress — it’s to connect.
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Alright, this is the book episode.
Speaker 2:Books and penises.
Speaker 1:I was trying to think of something that rhymes with books.
Speaker 2:Books and billionaires.
Speaker 1:Books to make you a billionaire or a slut.
Speaker 2:A billionaire slut, please. Okay, I don't know what this looks like Hopefully my butt cheeks are out. Yeah, yeah, I mean those damn things.
Speaker 1:Not having a score inside is crazy who makes skirts without shorts anymore, especially like flowy ones that are like not long. Yeah, I just was at starbucks and of course, today is windy as fuck. Yeah, I don't know why it's so windy today. Look at your hair, I know, your hair too, god, wait, yours is crazy. God, what the hell hold on. Yeah, what we look ridiculous yeah, windbl blown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just blew us in like a tumbleweed, is it? Why is it? I was thinking like it's cold and I was like, well, it's probably not cold, it's just windy, it's so windy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like my car was kind of a little bit, you know, because you're driving a little too high how did? It go. It was way worse when I had the jeep. That thing was, yeah, just get blown all over the place.
Speaker 2:Well, because, that's like a rugged drive, that Jeep, it's not like a smooth sailing.
Speaker 1:I'm for sure getting another Jeep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably next year. Yeah, your in-between car is cute though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my little in-betweener. Mm-hmm, that was like my budget, that was my budget saver. Like my budget, that's my budget saver, yeah. So I was like, all right, I got on my budget paid off all my debt. Yeah, get my shit together and then go back to where you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're a bad bitch right now and you're Kia my little Kia yeah, I like it yeah, you know what I like the inside I got. I got like the brown leather.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the peanut butter. So I feel like it looks like a little Beamer kind of vibe yeah. Yeah, the peanut butter yeah, peanut butter. Yeah, it's cute. I love the peanut butter interior. Ooh, what's?
Speaker 1:okay, oh, I think we. No, I know we talked about it before like your kind of like dream car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would love that. Yeah, but what about what was like, what's like your level?
Speaker 1:down from that. I don't really have one wagon level. Oh, you don't have, you're just like g-wagon or I'll walk yeah, or just get a regular car.
Speaker 2:Just like you know, I drive a Mazda now seven. I mean so for me always I need a seven-seater yeah just just works.
Speaker 1:Well, that way, I mean you always need it for something like. You're always like like hauling stuff, like bar or like hauling people right.
Speaker 2:Right, because I mean with us in the house. There's already five people that live in the house, we can't just be squished you know, five feet I mean those six people that live in our house it's not like. Monette drives with us everywhere, but right, you know know. I'm just like yeah, we need that third row.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so anything like that that has like a third row in it is pretty. That's for you yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kept having third row cars for a while because Did your Explorer have a third row?
Speaker 2:It did it did.
Speaker 1:Did it did you explore have a third row? It did. It did no. Did it? No it yes, it did. Yes, it did.
Speaker 1:Okay, I wasn't sure I forgot, because I always had it like down down, yeah it did, it was better. Uh, what was the one I had before? I had something else and I also had a third. And it was helpful when I had, uh, because you know, it was like a super long time ago, I used to, when I would do photo shoots with the seniors, yeah, and I would literally just drive them Right, but I'd be like, all right, just get your shit.
Speaker 2:Get back there.
Speaker 1:All right, go change your outfit, yeah. And then, because I'd have like groups, like the themed shoots, so I'd be like, yeah, I'm going to fit six of you in here, and then I'd just that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like to sit back there for the kids, and when you put it up you don't have any trunk space, right? So I mean that's like your trade-off. But like this weekend we went to rihanna's uh softball tournament and so we had to have a bunch of stuff, but then we had enough room for her to like between games she just sat back there and like ate her food, just have the trunk open but it's like big enough that she was able to, like, sit back there, eat all her food.
Speaker 2:We had the cooler back there, the all the things. Yeah, it's so much more comfortable, so I only consider cars with a third row, third, so then you got. You don't have a lot.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's not tons of options I don't think a g wagon has a third row.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, you have to have two. Well, I don't think I I mean the thing is with my next car. I don't think I'm gonna get rid of our.
Speaker 1:There's no reason to get rid of our car, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like, unless I'm like, oh okay, I need to, like I'll just I don't know, it just kind of depends. I think If I was really to get a G-Wagon, yeah, I'd have our car all the time and then, but maybe my next car would have a third row row and then that one would go to Drew. I don't really know.
Speaker 1:I feel like my new indicator of success is when I can afford to hire a driver yeah, I mean, I talk.
Speaker 2:I'm talking to Drew about this, or when we went to Scottsdale I was like I mean, when are we gonna be able to buy Waymo's, because then you don't have to have a driver, your car just drives for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, how does that work like you just plug it in, like a gps, or like like he tells you tell it where to go you must.
Speaker 2:Weird, because I mean, when you do the ride it's just like uber, and then you get it and it's ready to go. So I'm just I mean, I think that that's the idea that the way most you're going to be able to buy them and then they're like your driver yeah, I really would love that yeah, and cuz I was thinking like, yeah, you just say, waymo, go get.
Speaker 2:Like. You just put in the app oh, go get Rihanna. And then Rihanna has the app to where it unlocks the car, and then she's the only one that can get in gotcha and then you go oh my god, yeah, because I always want to uber Bentley around.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I'm like can you just get an Uber or something?
Speaker 2:And you know, ubers are just so stinky.
Speaker 1:Are they? Oh, I mean. So I took a bunch of Ubers this week when I was in Vegas because I didn't rent a car, and they were all pretty good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I have had many, many stinky Ubers. And I was like when we were in Scottsdale I had told Joellen like I don't know if they have Waymo, we should just do Waymo. And then, because both my brothers in the city have been like, yeah, you just got to do Waymo.
Speaker 1:Like Ubers smell.
Speaker 2:You got to talk to them you have to have this music and blah, blah, blah. It's just like she has an inconvenience and we had one and was just like cigarette smell and the next one he had like put hella cologne on in there and I was like and Joellen's so weird. She like, if she has a weird smell thing, she is so dramatic and she has to like cover her whole face with her shirt and put her hand up like this.
Speaker 2:She does it in the airport too. She doesn't like the way the airport smells uh like right when we're getting on the plane, and so I was like joelle we just have to do waymo's.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're like 10 more dollars more expensive sometimes they were cheaper, but you know yeah at the most they're 10 more dollars than the uber and I was like, yeah, it's so much better. You just get in, you don't have to talk to anyone. You and her we could just talk about whatever the fuck we want to talk about I mean the only thing that I think is better.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't know, I've never taken one of those, but like what I would imagine. So like I had like my suitcase and stuff and like it was kind of nice. They always would like get out, put the suitcase in or take it out and stuff where I'm just like, yeah, I'm like we gotta like, yeah, puff it in there.
Speaker 1:But yeah also, it's not like they're carrying it to my room, like it's just in and out of the car, right, so it's not a big deal, but yeah, yeah, um god, we're so bad at remembering the intro, we just start going yeah, welcome to Maximus life. You have to pre-record it, so we can pop it in there welcome, welcome because we just start going, it's fine. Also, do we ever post this video where we're like?
Speaker 2:Hope you're having a maximalist life. Well, I'm definitely posting that, that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bentley does it all the time.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's the face he makes.
Speaker 1:I don't know why.
Speaker 2:I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah, so we've got our book retreat coming up in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2:I've been prepping, I've been not reading, but uh, prepping for the stuff that we have to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I feel like, I feel like I need to make a list. Yep, because there's a lot of fucking shit I have a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot to do okay, why, yeah, just can't.
Speaker 2:I mean, I could help you yeah, but it's just like ordering it and then like having just making sure I have it, so I need to organize it, and just like checklist it off, you know, okay. So and then we have to order our prize too. We get the prizes, the big prize too for Jeopardy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I read three out of the four books. I got the Jeopardy questions ready. I need you guys to read that fourth book, because I cannot read fantasy books.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just, I'm just gonna I think I'm gonna give up on it like I keep being like, yeah, it's okay, and I'm like I, I really don't like it yeah, it's funny because you and I are the opposite. I don't want to read any self-help books, that's all that I want to read.
Speaker 1:It's just like business books, self-help books, any like non-fiction, like that, even if it's like a biography of someone yeah, I mean I'll write a biography if it's like someone super interesting or something. But fiction is so hit or miss for me.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, I mean I think that's the risk that you take reading those books. I mean, unless it's like, oh, some fucking award-winning book and it's like deep, and I'm just like I don't know. I just don't want to go that deep into things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have like I mean okay, yeah, I think we have said this before, but before the book club is like I had never read smutty books. You had, but like how long? Like you had been reading smutty books for a long time or how long do you think?
Speaker 2:like a couple years yeah, just a couple years. Yeah, maybe just a little bit after covid. Oh okay, yeah, not for long.
Speaker 1:I had never really reading before. That like other anything else really yeah, my fucking sister-in-law.
Speaker 2:She always recommends books and there were always fucking like rape murder books.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like lovely bones or like yeah, like, like those styles of books, but a lot of them were like um, like non-fiction books. So she would always be like read this book and I'm like, is someone getting raped or molested or murdered? And she's like, yeah, I was like, fine, I guess I'll read this. You know, I never read like romance books. I think one time I did once and I was like I don't know what this is and it wasn't smutty yeah, it was just like it was just like a love book or whatever you know like I would read all the Nicholas Sparks yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was like they're all the same yeah, I think I read like a Danielle Steele one or something yeah, and you know, I didn't realize that there were like smutty books besides like the one with like flabio on flabio I don't know, yeah, him on the cover, yeah, and I can't imagine how those like are. Are they cringy? Are they just like these smutty books, or what?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think it's like our, like mom's generation, like they were like this is hot, but also because I feel like it it are, it still is like kind of taboo ish yeah, whereas like then it was like oh my god, you're reading those books so is it like that he's talking about her flower more?
Speaker 2:yeah, instead of you know like, all right, he like licked her clit. You know like that's how they talk in our smutty books yeah, it's just like regular, like that before oh I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't either.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine that I'm gonna do a little research yeah, I know okay so it's just like corny love there's no smut in it, I don't know, yeah, me neither yeah, someone tell us if you read those books and I should read one. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, but the cover is always like he's like on a rock oh no, you know, and he doesn't have a shirt in the hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what he's just like greased up. Yeah, can you imagine these photo shoots? No, that's so ridiculous. And they're like oh, women are gonna love this, get the fan. They're gonna get the fan.
Speaker 2:Get your hair fuck I don't know that's so great and it was. It's funny because it was like him on all the covers right, it's like why is it always the same?
Speaker 1:is it always the same character or he's playing different characters? I'm sure he's different characters, but it always looks like the same. Is it always the same character or he's playing?
Speaker 2:different characters? Oh, I'm sure he's different characters, but it always looks like the same guy. Yeah, because how could?
Speaker 1:you be a different guy with the long blonde hair. You know, guys with long hair is just not my thing. Oh God, I really don't like it.
Speaker 2:It feels, you know, it just feels messy to me because I don't think that men take care of their hair exactly, not as in like cleanliness, but like I just I mean, I don't want my boyfriend or husband to have like a slick back ponytail so, even if you do, do it nice, like what are we talking about?
Speaker 1:yeah, you don't come to bed looking like ariana grande yeah, what are we doing?
Speaker 1:although you know, I thought the man bun was cute for a little bit, but that's for like, I feel like, if you have like medium length hair, yeah, and also usually they have it like still faded up on the sides and stuff right, like it's just like a top man bun, but not like your whole yeah and I think that to the man bun, to me that looks the best is when you have like curly hair. Yeah yeah, when it's just like straight.
Speaker 2:I don't really like that. It's like when you have like wave to it and then the way it's not like slicked up, it's just like kind of way messy put a messy but like the cutest.
Speaker 1:Yeah to me.
Speaker 2:But also you have to look a certain type of way yeah, I need you to have a little bit of swag to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to be able to have it I feel like maybe some guys can pull it off. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:I'm like I you can't have, like the flavio. What's his name? I think it's fabio, fabio, fabio, flavio, flavor flavor. I was going with a more ethnic one Fabio, fabio, yeah, flavio, yeah, that one, my guy is a little more brown, yeah.
Speaker 1:Fabio, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yours, yeah, yeah. By the way, brianna went to this conference and she's like oh my. God, there's so many hot guys.
Speaker 1:They were hot and then she shows me all these pictures and I'm just like that, like. I looked them up on Instagram and I was like, oh, this was one of the guys.
Speaker 2:And so.
Speaker 1:I was like screenshotting some of their photos and you were like they're not hot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the first guy she sent me, I was just like he's cute.
Speaker 1:I showed Drew a picture and he goes does she know you at all? I go, I don't know. I mean I didn't say you would think you're hot, I just was like I mean I said I said too. I said you know, I, I knew it would be a very low chance that you would agree with me.
Speaker 2:But and then the second guy she sent me and yeah, he looked okay, but he looked like he had like filler in his cheek to me like this looked like puffed to me, and then here and then, but then and this is why I think I know that he probably does is because then I saw that he got his hair done.
Speaker 1:So you said that, but I don't think he did, because when I went lower like he still had his long hair, I think his hair was just shaved, because I think it's the same.
Speaker 2:It looks like this was thinner and then he he had got it done, because you have to have it shaved for a little bit.
Speaker 1:It looks like he got hair plants, but like the pictures, I went like kind of far back to like 2019. I was just stalking it, stalking his Instagram, and his hair was like what it looks like now, before that. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it looks like he got his hair done, which is fine.
Speaker 1:I think you should get your hair done if you want. So there was a guy there who definitely had like hair plugs oh, you could tell, you really could tell I mean maybe he just got it done recently. He's like a older guy too and I oh, he's so nice, he's like the nicest guy, but I was like man.
Speaker 2:That doesn't matter, yeah, because when they get their hair done like that, like it's a year, before it like really looks normal. So you just gotta like wear hats and beanies for like a year, unless you could really cover it up. But they say it's a full year till you see like the whole thing, which after that year it's like whatever. I mean. Look at drew. He's been in braces for 18 months just looking like idiot. He gets him off on the 30th.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited yeah, that's so exciting, yeah I'm excited for him to not have like messed up teeth like he's been having oh yeah poor guy anyway. So then brianna sends me his pictures of these guys. This guy specifically, she's like, he's so hot, he is hot, no, he's not.
Speaker 1:And then I sent her like a picture of him like other ways, and I'm just like like you, looked at other pictures, sent them to me, not even the ones you sent me that you thought, rugly, I was like he's really.
Speaker 2:I always think about guys like if they look good, like right when they wake up in the morning. If they don't, if I don't think like they could look good wake up in the morning, I'd just be like it's a no for you.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to get there. I was like, no, of course. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what you think about.
Speaker 2:It.
Speaker 1:Kind of looked was like you know he was like out in the snow, it was.
Speaker 2:He was like in the water he had like a robot, and so it reminded me like that's how he would wake up, but I go, I don't know.
Speaker 1:It was like the snow and so it was like and it was hella bright yeah, he was like almost, and it was hella bright. Yeah, he was like spinty Almost looked like his eyes were puffy. I still thought he looked really cute, but I mean not really your cup of tea.
Speaker 2:He was so nice too, but the thing is like we've talked about, like it doesn't matter what you look like If, like, you are nice to me and like you're smart and you're like you know that makes a difference.
Speaker 1:And that's why, too, I have no connection to these people. I am judging solely on looks, which isn't great, but like, that's what happens, you know, and that's what like is so shitty about dating apps because you literally just see a photo of them. You have no idea what their mannerisms are what their personality is?
Speaker 2:it just fucking sucks but like I mean, that's why I like kind of like when it would be old school and you just like go up to someone, like you just start talking to them at a bar or something you kind of get to know them a little bit more, even if they was just like kind of this, like whatever, someone that you wouldn't be attracted to necessarily, but he just like talking to you so it seems harmless.
Speaker 2:And then you kind of let your guard down a little bit and then you're like, wow, this guy's kind of interesting, I kind of like it, I'm enjoying this conversation. And then it kind of moves on from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there was a guy. Uh, I did not look him up on Instagram, but you definitely would not have thought it was cute. So I mean he was white, um, obviously and not really that's not shocking. Yeah, and I was so there's, so there was two it's and actually, now that I'm thinking about it, so when I first talked, both guys were talking to each other, and so I tried really hard at this event to just and I keep interrupting myself, but I was going to save all of these stories for our next episode.
Speaker 1:Okay, but it's okay, I'll just tell them again. I guess we could just do that episode now Instead of talking about our book Switching it up. No, well, we just so. I walk up. So there was a white guy and a black guy and neither of them were ugly. I would even I would say that they were good looking guys, but like I, I wasn't like oh, you know what I mean. Like they were just not like my type or whatever.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but I tried really hard at this event to like network, like I was just like practicing my social skills, really good, well because we had a conversation at book club about how, like you won't go up to anyone, you won't talk to anyone.
Speaker 2:I mean that was more dating wise like but, it still was. Just like you can go up to any man and be able just to say whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I was trying to keep in mind like as long as they are a man, they're beneath me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who cares?
Speaker 1:That I have. Yeah, you know what? What are you? What are you?
Speaker 2:And you know, I mean you're saying like beneath you, but I think of it like they're just like normal, just like me. No, I mean beneath you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like mean you're saying like beneath you, but I think of it like they're just like normal, just like me. No, I mean beneath, yeah, like I just feel like you're just like a normal person. I'm a normal person, we're all doing normal yeah, nobody is so like. No one is so hot that, like their hotness doesn't make them better than you and your money doesn't impress me, like I don't really care about any of that stuff. It is, it's whatever yeah.
Speaker 1:So I was like okay, this conference, like obviously these people live everywhere, like right, they are like from different countries, like people are from like New Zealand all this crazy. So obviously these aren't people I'm like trying to date or whatever, and that's not what I'm there for.
Speaker 1:But I was like it kind of took the pressure off of like I'm not approaching these people as like a dating scenario, so I feel less pressure and so I'm like I'm just gonna practice like going up and talking to a stranger or inserting myself into an existing conversation, because I think that's the thing when you're going out and you're at a bar or something, people are there with their friends, they're talking. You have to basically interrupt a conversation to introduce yourself, which is so fucking embarrassing to me and yeah, you know it's weird, because I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2:I'm always just like excuse me, never mind, you know what, I'll just yeah, I just go in there and I'm just like so where are you guys from? Nope, yeah, like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1:Like I just don't know. But I so I go up to these two guys because they're just like full-blown in this conversation and I'm like I haven't talked to these two, so I just go up and I'm like, hey, I was like hey, how are you guys like, what's your name? Where are you from what? Like hey, how are you guys like, what's your name? Where are you from what? Like what business do you have?
Speaker 2:la la la la and then, like I kind of have these little questions like yeah, I would say at least like, because this is a conference, it feels more like you could just have these questions easier or like when you're at a bar or something, you gotta kind of come up. I mean, well, and this thing could be always the same too, like you, you could always be like where are you from?
Speaker 1:Right, you know, yeah, but it's like a little weirder if you're like somewhere local and you're like where are you from? And they're like here.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? What the fuck are?
Speaker 1:you talking about? Yeah, what are you asking? You're just a Walnut Creek and you're like well, where are you from? Where'd? So it was easier to be like whoa, where you?
Speaker 2:from and like oh, what's your business, cuz you're like won't name tags but it's a your business or no business name.
Speaker 1:But you know some people's business names like I don't know the fuck that. Did you say pink door photo studio? Okay, not embarrassing but yes embarrassing because like okay, so for context, for listening, like this was like basically an advanced business workshop. So, you, so everyone there. Their businesses are making like millions of dollars.
Speaker 1:Like I, was in the lowest category of everyone there, like I'm walking in as like bottom of the totem pole, basically and I'm a woman which there was only 11 women I counted out of a room of 100, 100 men. There, 11 were women and also only four black people, total which and one was there's a hundred people, right, a hundred, yeah so and it's just like you, I mean to me, I, and I think this is different for everyone. I mean you would notice this if you're ethnic of whatever. Any person of color would notice this.
Speaker 2:There wasn't a lot of Asians?
Speaker 1:Not a lot actually. I just really remember this one Asian girl because she was just so fucking cute and she just kept talking to me the whole time and she was so happy to be there.
Speaker 2:She was just stoked about everything and she was so nice, but not really, and not a lot of Indian.
Speaker 1:No, oh, really oh really no, so here's the thing too I know I'm like side, all these sidesteps on this story, but like the thing too is the guy who runs this entire. I say business, but I mean he literally owns like hundreds of businesses. He is a white guy he's a white man and his whole team that works for him. It they're like all white men. He was like a previous gym owner, so like he's hell into fitness. All his team they're all just like these buff white dudes.
Speaker 2:And then so the stuff they're posting on instagram like attracts fit white men so there was a lot of fit white men at this thing um, so it made sense in that way.
Speaker 1:But like yeah, so I'm, and so I'm going up and these people have, like I'm, I'm talking to this guy and he has like his business makes 40 million dollars a year and he like is a consultant, he's like a financial consultant or whatever, like he consults financial consultants or whatever. And I'm like pink door photo studio, you know it's just like California yeah, like I just say, california cuz they're. I think I only met two people there from California, but they're in Southern California.
Speaker 1:So and then people like, where I'm like there's San Francisco, because they have no idea, they're just like cool, yeah, but the two people from Southern California I was like kind of between like San Francisco, Sacramento. They're like where, like what city? And I said back and both of them were like, oh, all right, like that sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I always say near Napa, it is closer to yeah. I feel like our whole like area is like the weather, is like napa the place is more like I mean napa has a lot more things, but like it's very much napa, yeah, and so I always just go oh near napa depending on who I was talking to or like how the conversation or how much they were, were really wanting to know.
Speaker 1:I would say, if you imagine a triangle of.
Speaker 2:Napa, san Francisco, sacramento we're kind of in the middle-ish of that, and they were like oh so you're up there.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yep, we're up there.
Speaker 2:That's why I say okay, people think San Francisco anytime you say it and they're just like, oh damn, she lives in the city or more, like East bay or something. That's what I'm right, right, right, okay, no I love fucking napa and I think we forget that napa is a huge destination, right, like I mean huge, you know so, more than like our state capital, I was gonna say more.
Speaker 1:More people would recognize you saying napa than sacramento, right? That's why I just say napa yeah, not nap near napa.
Speaker 2:I always go. Oh, we're like 15 miles from Napa or whatever. Yeah, yeah, it's so close, yeah so it was easier so you walked up to these two guys.
Speaker 1:I just like, hey, how's it going, whatever. And they were just like hey, so, and they were both just like so friendly. Were Were they friends? No, they didn't know each other, okay, and they were just like so. The white guy was from Texas and Did he have a little country?
Speaker 1:accent. Yes, he did, and that was one of the things you know where we're saying like yeah, up front. When I just saw them across the room I was like, oh, this guy's hot. But as soon as I walk up and he and everything, I'm saying, yes, ma'am yes, ma'am and I'm like whoo yeah, shit, fan me off with your cowboy hat, sir. Yeah, and there's a black guy.
Speaker 2:He's from Savannah Georgia oh, did he have a little southern accent?
Speaker 1:he had like a little one, but I don't know if that's where he's like from from, but he because I didn't talk to him as much right then, because he got pulled away to do his like little sign up for like the next thing they were like coming one-on-one and taking people. So I talked to him for a little bit, then they pulled the one guy away. So then I'm talking to a texas guy and I was like, and he was just like really smart, but like funny, like super funny, like joking whatever.
Speaker 1:And these guys little accent and and he kind of like talks to you like close, like he's kind of close to you, like you're those close talkers. He's a little too close, yeah, but like he like smelled good and also like it's fine if you want to be like I, like you.
Speaker 2:Do you want to go back to my hotel room?
Speaker 1:yeah, I was thinking, oh, I was. He wrote a book and he brought it. He, he was trying so hard to get the guy to sign his book, he wanted to decide his book so bad, but you couldn't. We didn't even get a chance to like take a picture with the guy, or nothing you couldn't talk to him one-on-one.
Speaker 1:You had to pay way more money for that. Yeah, so it was fine, it's? I don't really care that much about talking to that guy. I really was sad that his wife wasn't there. So she's like they own all these businesses together, but really like any of the guys who work at this place will tell you, like she's the boss, like he's one who takes all the credit, but like she's the boss. Yeah and I. They said she was kind of be there and she wasn't there.
Speaker 1:I was the hell is that? I almost put it on my feedback form. You promised Layla where the fuck is she? Yeah, I need to see her. I only came here.
Speaker 2:I need that to be added to the list of girls that is here. Yeah, what the hell yeah, you can't just have a team of guys.
Speaker 1:That was a little that was a little shitty, but yeah. So I felt just like I do feel like it helped me with my confidence in like going up to people and being able to like start conversations and not feel like there's any type of pressure of anything to come from it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that that's what you maybe in your head. You're like trying to like, be like. What is this supposed to be?
Speaker 1:like be like what, what is? This supposed to be? Well, I think there's this huge fear of rejection that you just in those moments where you're like, oh god because it's happened before, because you think they're gonna be like I don't want to talk to you yes, or like it's happened twice before.
Speaker 1:I go up and I you spend all this time like getting up your courage and like figuring out what you're gonna say and you just like you're all these bundle of nerves, and then you go up there and you say, and then they're like, oh sorry, I have a girlfriend and he's like this shut down and it's like maybe they're they really do, they're not like lying.
Speaker 2:I mean, maybe they are lying because they don't want to talk to you, but it's just this like immediate, like you just like yeah, for me, though, like I would have like a one I mean, I haven't done this in a really long time, obviously I would have like a one-liner, like oh, you can't talk to anyone, like are you only allowed to talk to her? Yeah, I didn't ask Like, I would just like be mean, like that's my initial response.
Speaker 2:Like, oh, I have a girlfriend, let me stop you there, I something like like, like come back with something like Ooh, that's cool, I'm glad you, I'm glad you have one. I just said hello, like what I know. Yeah, like I mean, that's the thing too. I mean, I think that I only use that when men are too aggressive, like when we get the bar, and I'd be like look, I have a husband. This is like too much. Like whatever you're trying to do is too too much. But if, like, someone just comes up to me and like starts talking to me, I'm just like hi, you know blah, blah, blah. And like we could talk for whatever how long I'm here at the bar, yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2:But Only use that if someone's being aggressive. Like for men too. Like I mean, I get it, like maybe they don't want their girlfriend to be like oh, whatever. But if they're just in a normal relationship, you would just be like did that girl come up and talk to you? And then he'd be like yeah, and he was like yeah, it was just nice. I just said hello and you know whatever.
Speaker 2:And then I came over here to see you, like that and then people wouldn't have a fear of rejection because everyone is just nice to each other. Yeah, but they're not right. This is such a problem, and like I mean probably girls too, like they don't want to have to deal with guys so they say that too.
Speaker 1:I also understand. Like, let's pretend, let's pretend the girlfriend was there and let's say she was just off in the bathroom, and then she, he's like, oh, I better be mean to this bitch, because if my girlfriend's looking like what is she scary? What if his girlfriend's scary and he's like, oh, I better be mean to this bitch, because if my girlfriend's looking like what if she's scary? What if his girlfriend's scary and he's like like she's jealous?
Speaker 2:or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like I better be mean to her, like I mean, you can see that being.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying, like everyone should be normal, like you shouldn't be so fucking jealous that you see, like your husband or boyfriend, like, no, like no women are allowed to talk to him at all, no, his whole life.
Speaker 1:Right, that's how I mean, that's how some girls are.
Speaker 2:I mean, here's the thing. I get it like especially like it could be triggers because of like past, like cheating or whatever. But I mean at this point you're with that person. If he's gonna just blatantly cheat on you right while you're in the fucking bathroom, there's a fucking problem. Right like, what are we talking about? Yeah, you know, come on yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was easier because there isn't really this like, there isn't really a chance for rejection when you're at a thing like this, yeah, because like what are? They going to be like I don't want to talk to you, like everyone's there to network, right, and it's like if you go and you ask someone about their business, they want to talk about their business everybody wants to talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like that's the thing too. When you go out, I've in these situations like dating wise, you just ask people about their lives. Same thing they want to talk, they want to tell you like I just need to.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to try and practice also I used uh, I used a little thing too. Um, so I got to vegas a couple days early and I got there. I was only going to fly in the night before, but my son was flying out a couple days early because he was going to his dad's for the summer right so I was like, okay, well, instead of making two trips to the airport, like I'll just go early and like chill or whatever.
Speaker 1:So I got there a couple days early, so I was there. So saturday night, you know, I got on the apps before I went and so I had set up a date with this guy for Saturday night who lives there. So, anyway, so I go on this date, whatever.
Speaker 1:But one of the things he told me we were on the date, because I feel like anytime you go on a date with someone that you meet on an app, the conversation at some point you're talking about your experience with dating apps right to each other and so we're talking about it, and he was saying, um, well, I should say we were talking about dating apps, but then also talking about like even though they suck, it is kind of easier than dating in real life because of this whole thing we're just talking about and, um, he was like here's the thing and he's like most guys just need like, like right now with how people are on social media, like they don't want to come off as like this creepy guy or whatever so they're afraid, but like if you just give the green light like you most guys are will just like say whatever, like they'll come up and talk to you, they'll start the conversation as long as they know that you want them to.
Speaker 1:And so he's like so, here's the thing. He's like don't even have anything planned that you're gonna say. He's like literally just go up and be like hey, nothing else, just say hey, nothing else. And then they will kind of be like forced to say something back, yeah, and then it can like start it or whatever, yeah and so I was like, yeah, and he's like just think about it, like think about you're like out, and so we were like kind of going through scenarios, which is sort of funny, he's like a dating coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, teaching you on these dates.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was so funny and um, I was like I'm gonna try that. And he's like, yeah, you should try it. It's, and he's like I have, I have tried that, like I just go up and I'll say hey and then see if, like how, the response to um. So I was with a couple people at the conference that I was like I don't know what to say, or this or that, or like sometimes you're talking to people and then like they get pulled away and then you kind of turn around and there's someone right there and it's like, instead of being awkward, just go hey, nothing else.
Speaker 1:It totally worked, Like they were like hey, how's it going?
Speaker 2:Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1:And I'm like I'm going to start doing that. But yeah, yeah, it was really good. And then the Savannah Georgia guy I did talk to, he came up to me later. Oh so we were waiting, we were like in the same row and we were waiting for our next like speaker. We're on like a little break and, um, I was just on my phone actually, and then he comes up and he's like hey, uh, brianna was it. And I'm like, yep, right here on my name tag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yep, right here well, the name tags are just like right here, so it's like they don't want to look because they don't want to look like they're looking at your boobs.
Speaker 1:Yeah um and so and he's like so he talked to me for like a minute and he's like asked me about my business and then guys love to solve problems, they love it, and so a lot of the question which this was like a big topic there a lot of the questions people are asking like what's your biggest constraint in your business right now? That was one of the main things people were talking about, because that's one of the things the guy like harps on, like find the constraints yeah those well, instead of trying to like, grow.
Speaker 1:And so I tell him I don't even fucking know what I said. So and he, all these guys like I tell him I don't even fucking know what I said, and all these guys like you tell them anything. And they go oh okay, let me tell you what you should do. And they know, you know, they think they're going to tell you how to run your photography business.
Speaker 2:Yeah, magic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tell them. Yeah, it's so easy. So he's telling me, and in like a totally non-douchey way he was so douchey way he was yeah, yeah, yeah, super, super nice, and he's giving me like examples. He's like, yeah, I mean, it's so perfect, like if you do branding photos for women. He's like I'm I can think of like three people I know off the top of my head who would die like if they could come take photos with someone who specializes in like women. And they are women, because a lot of the people who do branding photos where he lives are men and he's like they hate going to that back because they don't know like the right angles.
Speaker 2:They don't whatever we should target our ads out of state.
Speaker 1:Yes and be traveling yeah which is what some of them were saying. They're like so you don't travel. And I was like I mean I would and like, but you don't say that you travel.
Speaker 1:And I was like no, I mean, people could travel here too, though so, anyway, he's telling us we're having this great conversation and then we're about to get started. They're like, okay, like we're getting started, and he's like, he's like we should definitely connect. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I would love to. And so he's like so this I don't know if he was lying, this was, this was kind of smooth okay, he goes he goes my phone's dead, give me your phone, I'll put my number in your phone.
Speaker 1:And I was like okay, because I was already holding my phone, yeah, and so I give him my phone, so he like texts himself from my phone or whatever. He's like, yeah, text me back. And so I was like okay, and then he did text me later like hey, it's Marcel, la, la, la. And it was just like so nice of him and he really he was like. He texted me again yesterday and was like yeah, I would love to like do you want to hop on a zoom call next week?
Speaker 2:and I was like oh my god, yeah what is his business.
Speaker 1:I can't remember so because then I feel bad because we talked about my business the whole time yeah, he was like so interested that's. The thing too is a lot of these guys were just like so well, I think too.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, I interrupted do you think that people are interested because you have a creative field yes, right, they all were in boring fucking fields, like they're either like they all had like tech businesses or construction right or stuff like that, like oh, an alarm company what was the most creative field that you found out there?
Speaker 2:besides you, did anyone have anything cool?
Speaker 1:uh, I mean, there was. So there was a woman there who she does like event planning.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you told me about her and she's a pretty big business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think she said she was in the realm of like $3 million a year in revenue and she does like corporate events, big kind of like the event we were at. She was like this is the type of stuff that I do Like, not like birthday parties, you know, yeah. Parties, you know, yeah, and that was probably off the top of my head. That was probably the most creative business besides mine, so I think that was like people were like yeah, like they can't, and they probably think like oh, you're a photographer.
Speaker 2:Like if you're not, like some big name that like works for a magazine, like how are you making any money?
Speaker 1:they were like surprised, they're yeah damn, like you're at this thing, so obviously like right, he's making a lot of money. And like doing photography, like that's so sick, like right, and then they always want to be like. So I know a photographer who does this, this and this and they're like you know, they want to give ideas and the guy remember the guy who I sent you the photos. I thought he was cute and he didn't think he was cute but, yeah, he was so cute.
Speaker 1:He had an Australian accent which is cute, so cute, and he dressed nice and stuff, and uh he, his idea for my business. Okay, oh god, he told me I should. We should start taking pictures for men for their dating profile oh yeah which we've said before. We have said this before.
Speaker 2:I mean, I even did that event, for I hosted yeah, I mean, we have talked about this on and off and we just, I mean, it would be so easy so easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So he, yeah because he did that he hired a photographer. When he because he lives in new york, and he was like yeah, I hired this lady and she just like took me to all these places and I changed my outfit every you know location, and he was like it was so much better. And he's like I saw a huge difference before and after with, like how it was going on the dating app, like how many matches I was getting, versus like once I had good photos.
Speaker 1:We should run an ad in New York and just go there for a week and then just Book like 10 of them in a day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd be kind of fun.
Speaker 1:I'll hit them up and be like, hey, where should?
Speaker 2:we go yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that actually would be really fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that would be fun for us. Let's do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I mean do this yeah. Yeah, we're going to travel a lot, cause they're supposed to go to Palm Springs in August and then you're going to go there.
Speaker 2:I have to go for uh cause to me. I will be uh moving back. Yeah, she's going to Europe for three weeks and so then she's going to just go straight back to New York, so I have to bring all her fucking shit with me. Fun, I'm like how many, how many luggages am I going to have to carry? Here, Miss Ma'am and she was like probably four, and I'm like, oh my God, I'm tired of this. Like I paid for her to have a. What is it called, Like a?
Speaker 2:storage unit, yeah, a storage unit there, so she didn't have to bring anything home. Well, why do I have to carry four luggages still? That's too many, that's too many. Yeah, the storage units you know, in new york is pretty good 60 bucks, the size of a closet, like a walk-in closet. They come and that is cheap. They come and get everything, and then they, uh, they come, get everything, pack it up for you, they bring boxes and and then they drop it back off to you. Hmm, for $60 a month. That's it. Yeah, that's cheap and that's like perfect for her, because we only needed to store it for three months. Mm-hmm, you know. So it's like, oh, that's way better, that's way cheaper.
Speaker 1:That's cheaper than per luggage that we have to bring because we have to pay more. Yeah, so leave more stuff there.
Speaker 2:Damn, yeah, please don't bring all your stuff. She said it's all clothes and I have to bring her plants on the plane.
Speaker 1:Get out of here, no no the whole plants I'm like carrying on the plane with me. That's so embarrassing. I could never, I would not.
Speaker 2:No I think, as you do for your fucking kids, man, no, come on get a new one, yeah yeah, get a new plant. Why can't you just buy one?
Speaker 1:it's 20 dollars you can't, you gotta fly it across the country in a strawberry vase, a big old strawberry vase.
Speaker 2:I got here in the airport, oh god damn yeah, yeah, this an episode. This episode didn't go the way it's supposed this is about nothing yeah, well, well, I think it could be like about confidence and talking to people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I and like really being more outgoing, yeah I wanted because we did discuss, um, our one of our upcoming topics to be. What did we say it was? It was one of the ones we were going to record today. Um, the humble one. Yeah, like, you don't have to be humbled to be successful. Yeah, like, and I think that was one thing that I like learned at this thing too, was like I don't know like we talk about when you have like imposter syndrome or you have whatever, and it did kind of feel like that a lot like it got like a little tinge of like like why am I here?
Speaker 1:when all these people are just like their businesses are just like way beyond mine, or like there was a lot of investors there who, like they own multiple businesses. And I'm just like, here I am with my little pink door photo and it just like. But then I go, you know what? No, like I like I should be in this room just as much as any of these other people should be in this room and obviously, like I don't know, it seemed like once I started to just like, put that out of my head and be like going up to people and talking. It's not like anyone was like oh, that's cute that you're here and I know that does happen.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, right, it does happen. Especially you're like in this room with, like men. You know, I know that does happen. But yeah, I mean, I think there is like a middle ground, like you should be confident to go out there and be you and like this is my business, we're all here, we all made the minimum to be here, like you know like all that.
Speaker 2:I do think that there are certain people, though, that are too much. I have the best. Yes, I'm the most, yeah, I'm all that, and I'm like how do you know? Right that you're the best salon in vacaville. You are, that you're the best stylist in vacaville, that you have the most clients. I'm like you don't know. There's 25 fucking salons downtown and you're telling me that you know how.
Speaker 2:You know everyone's fucking books I think you know how much every yeah, it's so I would say to me yeah, and I get it like you want to be confident, but like we're not here on our instagram, like we have the biggest studio in vacaville and we have the most clients in vacaville, we're just more like we have a lot of clients, we'll help, like we'll tell you some, some secret in our sauce you know, right right, right like not like you. I'm the best and everyone should recognize this. Like that's what I hate. I really hate that. So in that point I do feel like those need to be humbled.
Speaker 1:I mean, there is a difference, for sure, between being confident and being cocky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I hate when people are cocky. I really do too.
Speaker 1:And it's like can't you just be confident in your business without saying that you're better than everyone else? Because that's the thing. Why do you have to say you're better than them? You don't have to be better than them. Why can't you just be just as good?
Speaker 2:And I don't know if you realize that when, right when you say things like that, it automatically like like that's so unattractive, that, like those people that maybe are working at your level are just like yeah, I mean it's kind of gross and I wouldn't want to go to a business that was running on that like the idea that they're so much better than everyone else. Yeah, because also people come in here all the time and they tell me that they've done boudoir sessions with just anyone right.
Speaker 2:And they're like this experience is like so much better, like they have said that and I go yeah, I know We'd have the best one, you know.
Speaker 2:I don't say that I'm just like, oh good. I'm just like, oh good, I'm glad we're able to like provide like a really good um experience for you and I'm glad that you know I helped with that blah blah. But I see other people. They're just like yeah, I know, because I'm the best, I hate that. I don't like that and you know me with the way that I work. I am always like people are like your photos are really good, like we're doing the viewing right.
Speaker 2:They're like and I was, and I'm always like thanks, you know, I don't really like that. And I'm always like I mean you did amazing too. Like I hate it because like this is like a collab kind of thing for all of us. Like you posed, you listened, you like had a good face, the whole thing, and so I'm always like no, you did good too, like it's not just, you're not just like nothing, and then I just made this magical painting.
Speaker 1:You know right, yeah and that's. Or like I would say, like if the clients, whenever the clients say that you go yeah, you made it really easy. Or like you made my job really easy, because it's true, like yeah, I'm, I can't really take like such amazing photos if you were just dog shit and not doing anything. So, yeah, that it would just be so weird to be like yeah, I know, because I'm the best photographer, because we're the best studio.
Speaker 2:What yeah?
Speaker 1:I yeah, so I mean yeah so you don't want to go, you don't want to be that person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I so for sure but I do think that, like in any and why is it that you know, when we go in these we shouldn't feel like we belong in these industries? I get it. I mean, I, I completely get imposter syndrome. I have that with this damn podcast all the time. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Because it's just like whatever One of the guys, so one of the guys on the main, like the main guys running this whole thing. He's talking to me about stuff and I'm asking him a question about like do I need? He's's telling me you need to build a personal brand, you need to like, really lean into your personal brand. Well, and I'm asking him like, okay, but I have, I'm like what have my personal instagram and then I have the studio and he goes oh, I know, I'm following your personal, I'm following your studio account and I'm following your podcast and I go great, I know that I have a podcast like I need to edit, just go, don't listen to it.
Speaker 1:Don't listen to it.
Speaker 2:No, no no, no, it's like a penis podcast. Yeah, peencast yeah, not a podcast. It's like you know the thing is about. Our podcast is like you know. You feel like I don't want anyone to take this so seriously no, this isn't like.
Speaker 1:This is like it is not relevant to the business. It's not. It's not like connected this is just. And then he did ask me like so with your podcast, like are you trying to make it like part of your business or is this like a hobby? And I said well, right now it's a hobby in this podcast, like in terms of topics and whatever, like it isn't completely relevant to like pink door right. It's not.
Speaker 2:It's not also like completely irrelevant either, like the topics we talk about are so relevant to our ideal client but at the same time, we're not like using this podcast to get clients like yeah, it's not like a whole advertisement, but like what right one big come take your photos at pink door.
Speaker 2:These are the reasons, no, but also like one of the, I think we put this on like a list of like why or what our podcast should be about. It was like oh, potential clients could listen and they feel more comfortable being here, right, and they kind of get a sense of like knowing us a little bit before they come into their shoe, you know like stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Like once someone books which I mean, I mean we, we haven't done this, but it was like get to know your photographer. It would be like, hey, here's like our, here's a podcast that, like you know, the owner does and the lead boudoir photographer does. Here's like a couple recommended episodes if you want to get to know our vibe before you come in yeah, yeah, yeah and like yeah, we should probably do that, yeah, but then I'm a little bit scared.
Speaker 1:if they're going to be like, this is the place I'm going Crazy. This place is fucking nuts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so wait. So then you told him that, and then he was like okay. Yeah, I mean, he just was like okay.
Speaker 1:And he's like, so cut and dry with like he's he's not a fluff talker, yeah, and so he's like we'll talk about it, like we'll talk about all this stuff and then figure out the best plan of action for, like, what you should be doing. Cause basically what he wanted to know was, like do I want to start my own podcast?
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I was just like I don't know yeah. I don't know I was like I mean, I don't want to not do this one. He's like no, that's not what I'm saying, and so I was like, okay, you're like, yeah, it's a lot of work then Hmm, mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's just like yeah, I think you like a lot of times if we're at events where we're networking with people, or we are like you meet someone, you meet a new friend, or maybe you're like out with your husband and it's like your husband's friend and now like they brought their wife that you just met, yeah, and you're like oh, what do you do? And I feel like we have a tendency to like, downplay, like I will.
Speaker 2:just, I used to just say I'm a photographer, with like a shrug, yeah, I'm a photographer. I feel like that is how I kind of go out in the world, I mean, except for I've been telling people I shoot porn, shut the. But. Like when we're out and we like like I remember specifically we're in Napa at a winery and this couple was like at the bar top with us, like doing a tasting, and then they're like, oh, what do you guys do? And I was like, oh, I shoot porn. And then their face is like fucking shocked. That is hilarious and I go just kidding. I'm a boudoir photographer, yeah, so like that's my one-liner yeah, I mean it's yeah.
Speaker 2:I shoot porn yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, when I was going around talking to all these guys, I would say it was 50 50 on how many people know what boudoir is. Yeah, and so they would say, oh, what do you do? And I go, I own a photography studio. And then they go like, tell me more. And oh, we specialize in women's portraits. The bulk of our business is boudoir photography. Half of the half of them go oh, and then half of them go just blank they're like yeah, they don't know what does that mean?
Speaker 1:uh-huh and then I have to go, you know, like, like sexy photos, maybe in lingerie, and they go, and then they go, oh, and then they know, but it's like a lot of times they don't know what that word means. Yeah, so I, so I want to go. Oh, on Tuesday we have a planned little content day with the team and I want to go next door to the barbershop and bring our little microphone and ask them, like I mean, I think it's their next door to us, so I guess that doesn't. Really I want to like. It's like I want to ask people on the street Do you know what? Do you know what the word boudoir means? Or like do you know what boudoir photography means? Like, go to guys and see what kind of funny answers they would give, or show them the word boudoir and ask them to say it, pronounce this word, because people will say the craziest stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, boudoir Especially, I mean with the barbershop guys they know what we're doing.
Speaker 1:They know what we do. Yeah, but not do. Yeah, but not the people in their chair. That's what I was thinking, that's what I was thought we would like, when I was thinking of asking them I can't. I feel like I had like an idea off of that, but I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 2:Oh, they are so funny it was to ask them to come upstairs and do a boudoir shoot. Oh, no, no, no, a dude war, a dude war, yeah, no, yeah, I mean they can just do with their clothes on. I feel like they would be so fucking silly, they would be so the one guy I don't I don't know his name, like I it's like the one guy that's always. He's like Mexican, he or Latin Mexican.
Speaker 2:He's like the main guy, though he's like the one yeah, probably he's so silly and he's like so like when this fell last time, I think he heard it and he like came over here and was like oh my god, you know, or like I see him all the time like throwing stuff in that garbage, yeah, and he'll just be like, hi, you know he's so fucking nice, super.
Speaker 1:Every time I would be outside he goes. He always asks me where's the party at tonight?
Speaker 2:yeah, he just like, says things like or like if I think I was bringing like stuff from the car or he'll, he'll just be like you need help, or anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's so nice. Yeah, the one guy. The other guy who is, he's like in the first chair when you walk in first year on the left, his name is Ryan. That's who cuts Bentley's hair now. Oh, and he's Bentley, loves going there.
Speaker 2:Cause, you know, they just kind of like talk shit. Like a bunch of dudes. Yeah, of course, love that, love that she was so fucking funny, yeah, but like I forgot what I was saying.
Speaker 1:Sorry, oh yeah. So I used to kind of be like I'm a photographer, shrug Like I'm nothing, you know, I'm just a little photographer, but now I like I do make it a point to be like oh, I own a photography studio. I say it that way, you should say it yeah, for sure even if you don't have like, let's say you're a photographer and you don't have a studio, you could say I own a photography business, like that says like I'm a business owner because you are like taking these photos for fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I, this is what I do like I'm, I mean it's I guess it's the same thing like I don't know if you would necessarily say it that way as like a hairstylist, if you would be like I own a hairstyling business no, you wouldn't really say it like that, but like it just depends, I mean, and so I think it's just like the way that you say it, whereas like saying it with confidence versus like saying it almost like it's a question over giving the shrug, it just yeah, I um, I don't know why it feels like you have to downplay, and it's only like I feel like with certain scenarios or certain people, right, and I definitely feel like that at times with men where I go, especially if they have like a really good job or like they seem really important at their job or whatever, and then they're asking me what I'm doing.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of like, yeah, like I own a photography business, but I, there's just this little I don't know. I don't know what it is that you just go like, but I kind of like knowing, like. I kind of like if they think that I'm like a shrug photographer and then in my head like I really know like you have no fucking idea right, what, what this all is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for two reasons either like if you end up like being a dick to me for whatever reason, or you think like you're looking for someone more like ambitious, or like because you don't really know what's happening here, I'm just like, or or the other way that goes. Well, I think it's a nice surprise, like if anyone where they go, what this is. I love when people they come and they go. This is a whole thing. That's my favorite. This is a whole thing and I go. It sure is it is a whole thing.
Speaker 2:It's my whole life, it's my whole fucking job well I I mean, I think that probably goes to like some sort of like stigmatism that like photographer, you're just like this mom photographer out here taking photos of babies, right, which I'm not saying like that is like low or something. Newborn photographers make a lot of money yeah you pay a lot for those damn photos.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, so, but that is like a a thing I I think also be because, like now up and coming with social media being so much bigger now, I don't think that people realize how the importance of these like visual things that we're creating and how much money people can be making yeah, so it was always just like oh, you're just like a stay-at-home mom that does photography instead of like for fun yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, because I think that that's what it was for a long time. You know, yeah, and it was like these photography studios, but like I'm talking like JC Penney's right, like, that was the high-level studio that people had thought of right or so, like this, like creative thing.
Speaker 2:That's like, yeah, I mean, I think, if, if you are like, if you have a successful business doing anything creative, it's like shocking the people where they're just like really yeah, I mean, I think that of like we had that women on top or whatever and one of the girls there you know she sells candles or whatever and she would remember she had said like I was doing these things, where I would do like these release dates and I would make like twenty thousand dollars per you know per drop like launch yeah yeah and so, yeah, drop.
Speaker 2:And so people are just like, are shocked, yeah, but like I don't think that people realize that having this like presence on Instagram and on TikTok and like people wanting that, because that is like the worldwide, you know, it's not just like in your little town back and you have this little table outside, you know, at the farmer's market with just like these three candles or whatever she's like dropping this stuff and people are like I'm buying, I'm stuff, and people are like I'm buying, I'm buying and I want it and I'm selling your ass out.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think too, like I think most people who are creative start cause. This is a question that one of the women at this event asked me was like she goes, so let me ask you this what was her job? I like to know everything. He is an investor okay right now.
Speaker 1:The business that she came there to like work on is like some type of like food and beverage type of thing which she was like. I don't know why I got into the industry, but she owns like a ton of business. Okay, uh, but that was also the lady who wanted to talk to me about jesus, and she does she does some coaching for other like business owners.
Speaker 2:I just feel like the business also like I mean with me is like about it here yeah, like why you have to bring and.
Speaker 1:And she brought it up to like because we're talking about coaching and she coaches some business owners. And then she had made a comment like I won't coach anyone, like like I'm not going to take on a coaching client who isn't Christian and I'm not going to take on coaching clients unless they're okay with me, like talking about Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's a problem for me too is just like I, while morally a lot of the things, the Christian beliefs as far as like being a good person and like all these things, like I have those same beliefs but mine isn't so motivated by God, right, like I'm not, like, oh you know, god's will is gonna make me have like this successful business.
Speaker 1:like mine is more like you know I or putting the whole faith in, like I, someone said this in one of their interviews, like we had said something about the job and this and that, and her answer was just like well, like whatever God wants to happen, kind of thing, and I go, that's not to me, I don't believe that. I don't believe that there's a person who's directing my life trajectory. Like I don't, but that's okay.
Speaker 2:Like I'm also not like a hater about it, I'm just kind of like yeah, whatever, that's what you believe, I don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she said that to me and it immediately turned me off. Because I, because I, I'm the opposite, I go Ooh, I wouldn't hire a coach who wants to talk to me about Jesus, like that is really not okay with me.
Speaker 2:No, if I wanted to hire a coach that wanted to talk to me about Jesus, I'd go to church.
Speaker 1:The coach, the Jesus coach.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would go to the top of the Jesus coaches and I would say, like, how is this going to pertain to my entire life, right? Instead of like, oh, you're a business coach, but then all you're going to tell me is that it's like this is Jesus' way.
Speaker 1:Right yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to get that community, I'm going to get the whole thing, uh-huh. Yeah, I'll have a separate business coach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so I didn't love that that that was like infused into our conversation somehow. But whatever, like she was super fucking nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she asked you.
Speaker 1:She asked me. She said I'm always so interested when it comes to people who own creative businesses. Like, were you a photographer who was passionate about photography and you learned business skills because you wanted to like be able to do photography so bad, or were you like a business owner who just decided that photography was like the way that you would open a business? And I was like the second one. Yeah, I actually didn't even know really, I didn't even really know how to use a camera. I not I say really like I didn't know how to use a camera at all when I decided to start a photography business.
Speaker 1:It was like I'm starting a photography business, so now I have to learn how to use a fucking camera and now I have to learn all these things and figure this out, because I was so like. This is the. This is just like the medium that I want to use to start a business.
Speaker 2:That yeah, I think that's what's funny about maybe both of us is like we, there are times where we're like it's like we want to do a business, but it's like all these other kinds of businesses yep, it's not necessarily all like photo, like no, it's like yeah, because we're in that realm. I think it like happens to be sometimes, but sometimes like, oh, we could do this business, doing this, we could do this business, doing this, we could do this business doing this because we know like how just to kind of do the circle instead of we know the steps.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we know like this, we need to do this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we would grow it, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not necessarily like oh, it's because we can like, I'm like. Not, it's not like, I'm just like. So it wasn't like. I was so passionate about photography that I'm like. I can never see myself doing anything else to me. I can shut the photography studio down tomorrow and I would immediately start another business yeah, no problem doing something else we're going to start another business.
Speaker 1:I mean, that was a question that's like weird. So like what would you do like if were to shut your business down tomorrow? You cannot start the same thing. You can't start the same thing. You can't do anything.
Speaker 2:No problem, I can think of ten fucking things Immediately that I would do and I would immediately be successful with them.
Speaker 1:I think of, I mean, I think about it multiple times a day as I'm providing a service and I was like I could do that, I could do that, I could do that, so that's probably a problem. 10 times a day, what I do is I think about how I can make other people's businesses so much better. Well, like, I'll go to an appointment of any kind, like okay. So I'll just say like so yesterday I went to my like quarterly Botox appointment and I mean I love them. I love them to death. I think they're like super successful at what they do. But like just because this how my brain works, I'm thinking like we're having these conversations. She's talking to me like a lot of times.
Speaker 1:I book her last appointment of the day and so she ends up kind of staying kind of late and just wants to talk and stuff, and so we're talking about business things and whatever, and I'm just like formulating all these ideas like, oh my god, like your business could like triple if you would just do these. I mean, I don't say this to her a lot, of course, it's not. I'm not. I'm not giving unsolicited business advice, right, um, but that's how my brain works.
Speaker 2:Where I go, god, I just want to like be your business coach me too, just like I mean, I don't know the business sides of things, but we went, we went to Paso there's this business. We went to down there and they like kind of specialize in one thing but this other thing is working. And I'm like man, I bet your Instagram isn't that great and I bet like I could like do all these things and I bet like I could just give you so many ideas. You know, I'm just the idea person. So, like man, I have so many ideas for this fucking place, like just to make it so much doper, like so much cooler, like come on.
Speaker 1:You know, like, just do these things. You know, someone asked me and I'll tell you. Someone asked me and I'll tell you. You just wear a shirt. Ask me for business advice. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Ask me for my ideas. Well, and here's the thing too Selling my ideas.
Speaker 1:That's me. It's so funny we say this because when I was at this conference, everyone's giving ideas to each other and everyone was also kind of joking like isn't it funny how we're all so much better at like fixing each other's businesses? Yeah well, it's easy when, like you, you could just say, like here's what you need to do, but when it's your own, you like also come up with all these reasons why you can't do it right you have doubt and all this other stuff, but yeah, so that's probably 10 times a day what I do, yeah, or I look at yeah, I look at people's Instagram.
Speaker 1:I go god this looks so bad, like if you just had a good photographer or like a graphic designer or just somebody to help, like this would be yeah, I mean I'm judging people too all day, which is mean.
Speaker 2:But like man we have, we have, we have like come across people that just like I don't understand how they just like live in this world Like dumb dumbs. Yeah, yeah, we call them dumb dumbs and I bet they're great at other things, same with me. Like I'm a dumb dumb a little bit too, like you can't really spell correctly and I don't speak correctly and like all that kind of stuff. But man, I don't know how people just like live yep, that is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like we at least once a week.
Speaker 2:That is a sentence that comes out just seems like yeah, it just seems like people aren't like you know, reading things correctly, like it just in life, like you don't. Like I know, when I have an appointment, I didn't look at the time and yeah, there's mistakes that get made or whatever.
Speaker 1:But like what I know. I'm traveling. I see people just like struggling with that. Oh yeah, happening like it's like you never traveled.
Speaker 2:You never went to the airport before, ever. Maybe maybe that is the case. You just didn't come to the airport before to me, his boyfriend. Oh no, he went and uh, he I don't know if he's ever been on a plane before he, but or if it was his first time. So he brought his bag, whatever, and he gets there. And then he realized, like he gets to all the way to the gate and they were like, sir, you can't bring that luggage on here. What he forgot to check his whole luggage. How did they let him get through security with that? I don't, I don't know what. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:They're like you can't bring that or something, I don't know it was something like that or maybe that's so ridiculous yeah, and I was like I mean, look at you okay, but that wasn't me not knowing something, miss forgetful.
Speaker 1:Over here it was so fucking chaotic also where the fuck was it? It wasn't in the bin. Yeah, I fucking put my stupid bag through with my laptop, and here's the thing that's annoying about that you travel to multiple through multiple different airports, and they're all different yeah, it's never the same. Why? Or why is like the tsa rules and guidelines, not the fucking?
Speaker 2:same. You want my laptop in, and they're mad, they're mad. What do not the fucking? You want my ipad out? You want my laptop, and they're mad, they're mad. What do you want? Like, you want my shoes on you want my shoes off so like what do you want?
Speaker 1:sacramento I mean not sacramento oakland you don't take it out of the back. Yeah, so you go to take it out and then they're like no, like, leave all your stuff in the back. And you're like, oh well, just shit. But then I go to vegas, didn't take it out of the bag and I'm supposed to take it out of the bag. So, like jesus, can you come up with a like structure here that everybody knows, or like?
Speaker 2:a clear signage, like just have a clear signage that says, like, take it off why is there no sign?
Speaker 1:like why are there no signs? And I have to rely on this tsa agent that hates their life to tell every single person what they're supposed to do. Yeah, so I didn't. I didn't take my laptop out. They pulled my bag, ran it back through, put the laptop on top of my bag. When he was carrying it over there, la la la came back. I grabbed my bag, thought I grabbed my bag out of the bin and there was nothing else in the bin. So, for whatever reason, I assumed they put my laptop in my backpack. After which, like when I thought about later, I was like that was so dumb. Why would I think that? Because how would they have done? It just came out of the machine where the laptop wasn't in there, right? So I'm a dumb dumb and I left. I got all the way to my gate and I went to go like I'm going to get some work done, and my laptop wasn't in my bag. So then I traipsed all the way back over to security and then the fucking lane get my laptop back. But I got it. Yeah, I was just happy that.
Speaker 1:Uh, you didn't get on the plane. Yeah, that would have been really bad, that would have been really annoying. I mean, luckily it was only in Vegas. It's really short flight, but man, if I had to fly back to get my laptop, I wouldn't have. I would have just bought a new one. You're such a pain in the ass like I'm getting a new computer. Fuck that, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 1:I think there's just things that we do, especially as women, that we sometimes just like shrink ourselves or feel like we can't communicate our success, or we because we don't want to come off like we're bragging, or we don't want to like make other people feel bad because they're not as successful, or all these like stupid things, and that's just not how we should think of it like yeah, and I think for me too, I think, because I like to sit on the sidelines a lot.
Speaker 2:I am always just interested in other people's businesses, and that's mostly what everyone. Everyone just wants to get to know each other for the most part, you know, and I'm always like oh, so what do you? Got going?
Speaker 1:on, do you have?
Speaker 2:kids. But just like in social settings, I'm always just like asking like questions, like that's how I kind of like go into it, not like hey, of like go into it, not like hey, I'm a photographer. No, it's not interview, you know, I always just like start talking about them and then eventually your stuff will come up and then you'll feel a little more comfortable with them, like I think that's where I feel like confident in. That is just like it's got to. Let them get to like, let me get to know them a little bit, and then I feel like more comfortable right, because I'm like I'm, very much an observer in social situations, and it's like I need to step back, it's like I kind of have to just observe, see what's going on get like
Speaker 1:the temp of the room, yeah. And then I feel like, okay, now I kind of can, whatever. And that was I was. So Jesus lady was at a table with this guy who's like a ex, like spec ops Marine guy, and he's's he's like 60 now. So he's yeah, and he is between the two of them. They are just yappers, I mean just the two of them, and they're telling all these stories and they're just like, and I'm just standing there like jesus, this is, I am, the energy is being sucked out of me, yeah, at a rapid pace yeah, you're not.
Speaker 1:I mean, you're a yapper, but not like in that kind of environment, yeah, and there was a guy, one of the guys who worked there, was there, and so he's asking yeah, you're not. I mean you're a yapper, but not like in that kind of environment. And there was a guy, one of the guys who worked there was there, and so he's asking them questions. That's like kind of like feeding into them, like telling more stories, yeah. And then it was like they each had told these crazy-ass stories, like these really crazy things that had happened to them. And then they kind of turned their attention to me and I, and then they kind of turned their attention to me and I said no, I put both my.
Speaker 1:I said I don't have any crazy stories like this. I don't look at me because I can't even follow up, like any of that. And so the guy, like the older guy, he's just like you, are an introvert. I can tell that you're. And I said yeah, and he goes yeah, my wife's an introvert and she's just like you. And then she just kind of sits back and like listens to what people are saying and waits until someone asks her a question and he goes let me guess you like lists and I said is that a thing?
Speaker 1:for introverts like just a list of things. I mean, I do love lists, but I don't think that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what are you saying to me?
Speaker 1:yeah, it was just so weird. And then they're trying to like talk to me. But it's just it's, and he mentioned too he goes. You're probably really feeling really tired right now. I said I mean, if I'm being honest, like yeah and he goes, yeah, I know with introverts you just he's like your energy depletes really quickly you're like yeah it does yeah and he goes. I'm sorry and he goes. Okay, I know I'm sorry, he knows and he's so and he goes.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry and he, he goes that guy.
Speaker 1:I know I'm sorry he knows, and he's so and he talks really loud too because he has hearing aids, oh uh, because he lost a lot of hearing from the marines. Yeah, yeah so cute and so he's just like talking so loud and then when you talk, he, he, he has a leaning, yeah, when his ear kind of close to you. Yeah, I'm like jeremy, jeremy, can you hear me Over here, sir, sir, oh my.
Speaker 2:God, it is so silly.
Speaker 1:And also the thing is like both of them, him and Jesus Lady, had like extremely successful businesses.
Speaker 1:And so that's part of like the subject we're talking about, because what was his, what was the what was Mr Marine's? So he also is in. They're both investors and so they have multiple. But he currently has like a construction industry type of business or whatever. But he has multiple and has ran, ran and like sold multiple businesses. So they're both talking about all this stuff. And yeah, and that's the other thing where I was just like you know, I kind of stepped back because I'm just like I don't, I've never sold a business, I've never gotten a business to 10 million dollars. I don't like. So they're saying all these things where I it kind of you subconsciously, you're just like shrinking a little while they're talking and you're just like, and then they want to talk to you and you go.
Speaker 1:I don't have anything. I don't have anything as cool to say but then. I go fuck that. I have some really cool shit to say actually I do really cool shit yeah, and then that lady was just like I can't even believe, like I just want to hear. Then they're so interested they're, so they're just like this is so cool, that like this is what you make your money doing, like you get to do all this stuff and you get to like empower women and like that's just like so dope yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do think that, uh, what we do is interesting to some people, obviously, um, but I mean, who doesn't like sexy photos?
Speaker 1:come on yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I don't even understand why you know people wouldn't be interested, right? Yeah, so that's me not being humble like yeah, come on yeah of course that's what we do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and it's funny because, like so, uh, the guy, the texas guy, when we got further into the conversation he's asking about the business model and asking all these like kind of super in-depth questions, because you know he wants to fix all my problems, yeah, and he goes, he goes, okay. So these people, they come in and they pay like what, like 150 or something like that for their photos sir, how many shoots do you think I'm doing a year?
Speaker 2:jesus, I have to do a bajillion shoots a year to pay 150 dollars god no sir, no sir, and so I'm like it's 24 hours here. Yeah, it is 150 every two hours.
Speaker 1:That's what you're making. You pull up, you pull out your tits, we take a pic and then $150. Thank you, that's it. That's drive-thru tit pics.
Speaker 1:That's our next business and we just send it to you right away. No, it prints out. It's like a film strip. Yeah, you just take it as you go as you drive through. Thanks, bring these to my husband. 150. I looked at him like I was trying not to be offended but I got you know he doesn't fucking know and that's the thing. And like that is what a lot of momtographers so then, what did?
Speaker 1:you what you told him, so I I told him what our actual average is okay I said no, actually, and so I'm like, oh no, you know, and I don't want to make him like feel stupid yeah, but I'm like a little bit, you know it's more average of like 10 times plus right range is what people and he's like, oh like, he's like, oh shit, okay, and that's where people go. Oh, this is a whole thing you know, it's like they realize like we're not just fucking off over here.
Speaker 2:I mean, even that's kind of kind of condescending. Oh, this is a whole thing, go fuck yourself. Yeah, this is a whole thing. I don't know even if. Oh, uh, I'm not saying even if, but when it's just like a one person photographer running their business, it's a whole thing they're actually running the whole thing by themselves yeah they're like all the editing. They're bringing all the people they're doing all their social media, like that's a whole fucking thing too. Like come on yeah it's just weird.
Speaker 1:It's weird I would start saying that when, like, a guy pulls his dick out, oh, it's a whole thing that's the whole thing.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Put it back in. Where's the rest?
Speaker 2:put it back in, forget it, pull out the rest, put it back in, forget it.
Speaker 1:Pull out the rest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wait, that's not funny, you're not funny, we're not joking, don't waste my time, come on, pull it out.
Speaker 1:Don't tease, don't tease me, I don't want just the tip. Yeah, where's the rest of it? Let me see the base yeah, so this is why I don't want people in networking events to listen to my podcast. Yeah, yes sir, yes, sir yes, sir, pretty good money doing it, uh-huh yeah, I just I would challenge if you are a business owner of any kind, of any size, of any experience level, walk into every conversation talking about your business with confidence, no matter who you're talking to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't matter if you're talking to.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter if you're talking. You're talking to someone who owns a 100 million dollar a year business and they have an MBA from Harvard and they have. Who gives a fuck like you're out there doing the work.
Speaker 2:Be confident in what you're doing and how far you have come yeah, and I just think that in life in general, you know, when I move in these areas where we're just like having having these group talks or stuff like that, like just with regular people, you know like I'm just a normal person and you're just a normal person yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not better than me.
Speaker 2:I'm not better than you, right, we are probably successful in different areas of our lives and so let's learn from each other. Instead of like being scared to talk to someone, and just really I always think when I am out in the world, just seeing and observing how I can connect with someone, like, for example, if it's a mom, I know I probably know that she's a mom, you know right. Or like if it is a younger girl, like I'm like, oh, what you know, what are you doing for work? Are you going to school? Or, like you know, tell are you doing for work or are you going to school. Or, like you know, tell me about your home life or like whatever.
Speaker 2:Just like, just try to connect on different levels and learn from each other. I think you know I want to know about like different things. And also, you know the business thing. I, especially when we get in these groups with how I am, I always want to use their business, so like I ask them so many questions about their business yeah, like hire, like hire them or yeah, yeah, or shop at their place or whatever it is I want to like, know, you know.
Speaker 1:So yeah, let's just be friendly and nice to each other and don't compare yourself to anything that they say or anything that they have or have done or whatever, because, like you said, at the end of the day, like everyone is on the same level, we're all just humans and we all have penises and vaginas well, I think there's people who don't you got like a barbie doll body.
Speaker 2:It's just like a that's what, to me, always says, like if I say something a little naughty in front of them, they go my parents have barbie doll bodies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shut the up, oh my god, well, this has been a fun little app. Yeah, I think so. It didn't go. This is not what we thought we were gonna talk about, but that happens a lot. Yeah, I think it's great. That's fun. Yeah, okay, well, uh, how do?
Speaker 2:we finish this.
Speaker 1:I know this is a, this is a. How do we wrap it up?
Speaker 2:what's your line?
Speaker 1:I know mine well, usually I say something along the lines of if you have any tips or tricks for how to go into conversations with people more confidently, let us know on our Instagram at maximalistlifepodcast, and we will see you guys next time. Hope you're having fun. It's up, dicks out. How long was that long? That's even real. Jesus 8, 45.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, that's too long yeah, I was worried that your phone was gonna die that's.