80 | What She Endured, What She Overcome

We sat down with Grace to talk about what it’s actually like being a woman in a male-dominated industry — the pressure, the comments, and the moments that don’t get spoken about enough.

This episode isn’t just about work… it’s about resilience.

Grace opens up about experiencing harassment on the job, how it affects you mentally, and why so many people feel like they just have to “put up with it” to get by. It’s raw, honest, and something a lot more people can relate to than we realise.

But this conversation isn’t just heavy — it’s also about growth.

We dive into how therapy changed Grace’s life, why she now recommends it to everyone, and how speaking up, even when it’s uncomfortable, can be the first step toward healing.

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SPEAKER_06 0:00

I'm gonna start the episode. Are you okay?

SPEAKER_07 0:01

Yeah. I'll just wait, wait, wait. Okay, yeah, do it. Ready? Yep.

SPEAKER_06 0:12

Welcome back to the Intersect Podcast, the number one tradey podcast in Australia. We have a very special guest, JP's best friend. Um Grace.

SPEAKER_07 0:23

Hey.

SPEAKER_06 0:25

Perfect intro. Perfect intro. Beautiful. I'm gonna see better. Welcome to the podcast.

SPEAKER_07 0:30

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_06 0:31

Excited?

SPEAKER_07 0:32

Oh, I don't know. I'm pretty tired, eh?

SPEAKER_06 0:34

How much autism do you think is gonna come out? Hopefully, all of it. Let's hope not all of it. It makes a good time. There is a lot. Alright, perfect. Well, to start off the this uh episode, to make you a little bit more comfortable, we're gonna play the word association game. So I'm gonna pick the the category for used two to do, and then you guys have are gonna have to, after I count three, two, one, you have to say the words that you were thinking of in that category, and then you gotta come to the same word after a few goes.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

You don't get it within five, then you suck.

SPEAKER_07 1:12

Oh, so yeah, I'm gonna fail.

SPEAKER_06 1:15

Alright.

SPEAKER_07 1:17

Let's go, girls.

SPEAKER_06 1:18

Okay, so the category that I'm thinking of is farming.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Alright.

SPEAKER_06 1:29

Let's go. Ready? So do you do you have your word? Don't say it yet. Three, two, one. Tractor.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Crops. Oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:36

Okay, so now you gotta go crops and tractor. What's the I already got mine.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

You going?

SPEAKER_06 1:43

Alright, are you locked in? Are you ready? Yep. Three, two, one, harvester. Harvest. Wait, what'd you say? Harvester.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

I said harvester.

SPEAKER_07 1:52

And I said harvest. You had one job, JP. Does that count?

SPEAKER_02 1:54

I mean it went two letters off. I'd give that. That's pretty fucking good. It's two different actions, right?

SPEAKER_07 2:00

It is two different yeah, harvester is what actually harvester is.

SPEAKER_06 2:04

Okay, well then you guys will obviously get it now. If I go we got this, we got this. Ready? Yep. Three, two, one. Wait. Okay, there you go. Did you guys maybe talk?

SPEAKER_07 2:17

We might have had a private meeting.

SPEAKER_06 2:20

Just off camera. Alright, cool. Alright, well then we'll go again. Well, I I did farming for you.

SPEAKER_07 2:37

Yeah, fair, fair, fair. So mechanics.

SPEAKER_06 2:39

So then, all right, so Grace, lock in. Alright. Use that whole autism power, lock in.

SPEAKER_07 2:46

I'll do my best. Uh I got one.

SPEAKER_06 2:48

You ready?

SPEAKER_07 2:49

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:50

Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_07 2:52

Gasket.

SPEAKER_06 2:53

Gasket. Tool. So tools one gasket. Yep. Do you have it?

SPEAKER_07 2:59

No. I've zoned out entirely. I can see.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

I've completely lost all posts this way.

SPEAKER_06 3:06

No.

SPEAKER_07 3:08

Hang on.

SPEAKER_06 3:08

Alright, so you got gasket and tool.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Come on.

SPEAKER_07 3:12

Alright, yeah, I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 3:13

You ready? Three, two, one, scraper.

SPEAKER_07 3:17

Where did oil come from? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 3:20

Oil and scraper.

SPEAKER_07 3:22

The fuck is that?

SPEAKER_06 3:24

Think of a tool or something that you have to.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

I I have no idea how many sources are.

SPEAKER_07 3:32

All I can think of is like when we were using parts of cars as insults the other day.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

That's okay.

SPEAKER_07 3:40

That's all I'm referring to right now as my references. We didn't mention oil. No, that was what that was a new one. I threw that one in there for funsies.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Jesus.

SPEAKER_07 3:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:51

Alright, oil and oil and scraper. Just throw something out. Ready? Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_07 3:57

Filter.

SPEAKER_06 3:58

Tub. I said tub. Filter and tub.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

We're not gonna get this. We're not gonna get this. This is gonna go so bad. But are you comfortable now at least? Yeah. Alright, well, that's the main thing. Um do you want to do a little introduction of yourself? Or do should we kind of give you a rough rundown of who you are? Maybe do that, yeah. Yeah, do that.

SPEAKER_07 4:22

Otherwise, I'm just gonna say some really, really fucking autistic shit.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

Hell yeah. Well, this is Grace Windy Gate from down south in the remote sticks of southern Western Australia. Um, she works in farming-ish industries. She has passed her autism test with flying colours. Hell yeah. Welcome to the club, Queen. Yeah, twenty. I knew you passed.

SPEAKER_06 4:49

I've had a few, mate. I've had a few.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

A few tests?

SPEAKER_06 4:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Have you got your kids tested?

SPEAKER_06 4:54

No, because that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 4:55

He doesn't need a tester, he just knows.

SPEAKER_06 4:56

Yeah. One one question I do I do want to ask before we get into it because you you work in um farming or like agriculture and stuff, yeah. Is it is that mainly like a male-dominated field?

SPEAKER_07 5:10

Um, it kind of was slash is like there's a lot more women coming into it the last few years, um, especially climbing up the ladders and stuff in the more corporate farming areas. Um but usually like most farms in that are run by men, and then like the wives or they'll have some like female backpackers and stuff come along.

unknown 5:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 5:32

But yeah, it is a mostly male-dominated field.

SPEAKER_06 5:34

How do you feel being in in the field surrounded by males?

SPEAKER_07 5:40

Um, not too bad. Like, because I grew up around the area and I I know pretty much all of them as well. And like raised by my dad as well, like I don't really it doesn't really bother me much. Like, don't get me wrong, like there are times where I'm like, oh, you know, pieces of shit. Kind of wish you were a little bit shorter just so I could like throw punch you, but unfortunately, that's not really an option. Yeah, so but you learn to get on with it, and it does like get but they're getting a lot more open-minded, like it's not like the olden days where they were all really closed-minded and conservative, they're a lot more open-minded now, and they are wanting more females to get into it, and um, there are a lot more younger people getting into agriculture now as well, which is really, really great. Um, because it's just helping out a lot because you you know, we were at a point where we were losing a lot of workers and you're struggling and that, but there's a lot of backpackers and younger people that are getting really into it, which is great.

SPEAKER_06 6:36

Do you find that so you know a lot of the people personally that uh where you work? Is that yeah?

SPEAKER_07 6:42

So in my town and like the surrounding towns, because I grew up with a lot of them, and my dad's you know, and my family are good friends with a lot of people, and they're all quite close-knit communities. Yeah, so you know everyone, everyone knows you, everyone kind of looks out for each other, and yeah, so it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 7:01

Cool. I was gonna ask, like, have you ever experienced like some kind of um degrading type because you're a female in that yeah, okay, cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, do you give do you give it back to them? Is there a lot of like banter type?

SPEAKER_07 7:15

Yeah, so you can really there's definitely there's some people where they I found there's been a few times because I worked in the shearing sheds for about a year.

SPEAKER_06 7:25

Um Jesus, that's a rough gig.

SPEAKER_07 7:28

Yeah, and it was my uncle's business as well. And tell you what, you're gonna be have some thick bloody skin to be working in there. It's I loved it, but um it just wasn't great for my health, and there were some wild bitches in there. Wild bitches where I was like, oh, I don't know if I want to come back.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yeah, I've heard a lot about shearing.

SPEAKER_07 7:48

It's good, you just gotta find the right team. I find um apparently, like, you know, teams around like the more like busier areas with like less like really small town areas are a lot more put together. You know, I know some shearers that take on backpackers and stuff, and they're really great, and they were a great shearing team as well. Um but yeah, and it's you do get you know degraded a lot in those areas, especially because there was only two females in that shearing whole shearing team, and that was me and my wall classer. And then we got one other girl on, but they some of the like men there to just make it like horrible, and it gets to a point where you gotta go. Yeah, definitely. Um I remember there was I've had like a few workers that we had come on where that just harassed me for months, and it just got to a point where I I just was sick of biting my tongue and I just went off on them. Give it back. I got one of one of them walked out of the shed because I was playing my music.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Sooky bitch.

SPEAKER_07 8:57

Because we my uncle was on the stand and so was the other worker, and uh we were playing my music because I made a playlist that had everyone's stuff on it that they liked, and but this one guy had been harassing me, and so I didn't put anything in it that he liked because well, fuck him, that's why. And we connected it to the speaker and we had it playing, and then Smoko hit, and he turned he turned it off and then turned it back on again so he could connect his phone and then put started playing his music that no one likes because he doesn't have range for everyone. And then during everyone was like, Grace, turn your music back on. And so my uncle's gone up to the speaker, turned it off, turned it back on, and connected mine, and we started playing our music, and he chucked the shits and walked out of the shed and walked 10Ks to town.

SPEAKER_06 9:40

I can't stand people like that, man.

SPEAKER_07 9:42

Like, tell you what, never had to worry about him again though. He didn't come back after that, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:46

Yeah, good. I mean, if you're gonna cry about music, I mean you don't belong there.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Yeah, you should be listening to Sight Static.

SPEAKER_06 9:52

Absolutely. Yeah, how do you how do you deal with um like how do you personally deal with that type of stuff? Because it can take a toll, especially being here, um, and like as not that I've experienced it, but blokes can be rough. Yeah. And like some of the shit that they can they can say can be daunting.

SPEAKER_07 10:12

Helping my dad on the farm, like he's always taught me like don't you know take shit from anyone, but if you, you know, depending on the situation, you know when to bite your tongue and know when to, you know, bark back, but don't bark with so much bite.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:27

And you know, when me and my dad, like, I think it was my year 10, year 11 stage, uh, we were button heads a lot, and like we'd get in each other's faces and you know spit at each other and shit, and I'd go off.

SPEAKER_06 10:42

Spit at each other. No, like, you know, oh okay, I was gonna say shit, alright.

SPEAKER_07 10:46

Yeah, and you know, I wasn't afraid to get in his face and tell him how it was, and which really well was a I should have fucking bitten my tongue. But you know, he knows I'm not afraid to stand up for myself. Yeah, but you know, different work areas and different people, like you know, sometimes you kind of get in your head about it and you just go on your shell and you don't stand up and you don't say anything. Where there was a lot of people that said to me, just oh, just suck it up, or you know, just deal with it, it'll get better, like, or just tolerate it and things like that, because it's not worth kicking up a fuss and making drama in the workplace for it. And I'm like, Yeah, but I'm not the one creating the drama, they've started it and they've been continuing it, and so it just gets to a point where you just go tell them, you either tell them to fuck off or report them.

SPEAKER_06 11:34

Salute to you, man, because I think a lot of people can um a lot of females can take what you've said and put that into action because I feel like a lot of females in the workforce, one, have like they go through that shit, but they don't want to, like you said, start that drama in the workplace.

SPEAKER_07 11:52

It's as well as because you don't know how someone's gonna take you fighting back either. Like there have been times where I've fought back and they've just you know they've tried to take the physical route and it doesn't work because they've tried to fight you. Yeah, well, I live in the I worked in the shearing sheds, dude. There are crackheads everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

But yeah, but absolutely shearing.

SPEAKER_07 12:13

Yeah, but like you know, and they will like sometimes they try to threaten you and stuff, like and they'll sometimes they'll try to do it. A lot of women will know what I'm talking about when I say they'll try to subtly threaten you, or you know, do it under their breath. They know at the perfect time when to do it, when no one's around, or they do it quiet, or they say it in ways where they know no one else will pick up on it. And it gets really hard because when you try to talk to someone about it and uh go reach out for help, they won't that sometimes they don't believe you because of how the person is going about it, and it like you know, you and then when you do stand up for yourself, it makes out to look like you're crazy or like you're just going off, but the person was uh being really like manipulative about it. And yeah, it just yeah, it gets really hard sometimes when you get people like that that just you know they've done it before, they know exactly how to get under your skin without getting in the shits, and then they wouldn't they make it work out in their favour. Yeah, so sometimes that's getting situations where you can bite your tongue and because they're looking for reaction, and so you just don't give them anything, and then it will get to a point where they will start doing shit where people are gonna notice, and then you they just dog themselves in.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Yeah, in those situations, who do you go to to talk about it all, or like where's your outlet?

SPEAKER_07 13:38

Um Usually my dad, like I'll call my dad if and I'll ask, I'll ask him, well, like, what should I do about this? Like, you know, what how do you think this is the best way to go about it? And he'll he'll say, like, you know, maybe go and report it or go, you know, talk to this, you know, talk to a work person that you feel comfortable about it. And so I'll go to I but you know, there are plenty of my co-works that I'm very comfortable with, like, you know, talking about it. And especially in the job I am now, I am not afraid to just go, look, I'm not gonna tolerate you talking to me like this. So you can either work with me or not, because or I'll beat your fucking ass, bro. I mean, legally I can't do that, so probably not, but um I yeah, you've just gotta kind of really push back with but be as professional as you can. And so yeah, I'd usually call my dad for advice or you know, go to a workmate and go, Hey, what should I do? Or can you help me go to the higher ups and help me take this further so I can get this a stop because it's just making work harder. But yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:43

That makes me happy that you actually speak out.

SPEAKER_07 14:46

Yeah, well, I was like, I've dealt with it enough. My first job, I had a traineeship for like 18 months, and that was all females.

SPEAKER_06 14:54

That was And you failed that.

SPEAKER_07 14:56

Oh no, I finished my traineeship six months early, but they wanted me to stay on my contract for an extra six months because they wanted the help.

SPEAKER_06 15:04

But so that's not like a real trade though, right?

SPEAKER_07 15:06

No, I was doing a cert three in tourism staff.

SPEAKER_06 15:09

That's well, what's that? Sorry, I thought I was like, I said traineeship, not trade ship. That's of some sort.

SPEAKER_07 15:16

We've got some degenerate in no, no, and it got like so bitchy in there, and most of them were fine, but there was like, you know, people that really I don't know why, just did not weren't a fan of me, but you know, not everyone's gonna like you, so that's fine. But it got to a point where there, you know, everyone else started to notice that I was really skittish around them, and you know, every day I was coming home from work crying for like weeks, and dad was like getting really sick of it. He's like, just tell them to fuck off. I was like I can't do that, Dad. I thought that's not how that works. And then I don't remember they I went and you know, one of my bosses came up to me and was up to asking me about it, and their solution ended up being like, Oh, why don't you make them a cup of tea every morning and then see what they want you to do for the day? And I was like, you can actually get fucked with that, like what? Yeah, and I was like, Yeah, whatever. And I did it, and then they got pregnant and they went on a turn to leave.

SPEAKER_06 16:19

So I was like, All right, so now be honest with this question, all right? Yeah, what's what's harder and what's easier working with women or working with men?

SPEAKER_07 16:29

Working with women, working with men is is if it's especially when it's mostly just women.

SPEAKER_06 16:34

Sorry, I'll fuck that up. So so working with women is easier or harder?

SPEAKER_07 16:40

Um, I'd say harder because like I find well it it depends on what like you know kind of work you're doing as well.

SPEAKER_06 16:49

Like hormones and stuff. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 16:52

No. Staff your ass for an ass for day. Oh brother. Uh what? Do you just get all like fucking raging because of your testosterone?

SPEAKER_05 17:05

There's too much testosterone in the room.

SPEAKER_07 17:09

Uh but it just gets it's the same with anything else that you know, like in it's the same as like in high school. It just you're just like going back to high school days because they all get bitchy and they choose their like, oh, this is like their kind of like popular group where they've got, you know, the three people they like, and it's always like people that are slightly higher up than you, or even if they're in the same position as you, and then they get really bitchy and they c start to single people out because in a way it's the only way they can they can entertain themselves at work is by creating shit and making someone else feel miserable. And so I just got to a point where I was like, Oh, I'm done with this. But you know, I wasn't doing anything in a day, I was so bored. It was an eight-hour office job every day. And so, like, the only thing I would like the only thing that really like made my day better was going home and then lifting, which I haven't done in years, as well as lifting, like weights, yeah, I used to I used to actually lift and good too, but then I hadn't done it in years. So when you saw me in the gym the other day and you gave me shit for hours, my legs are shaking.

SPEAKER_06 18:08

Fuck you, stab your shit, maybe.

SPEAKER_07 18:11

Oh, whatever.

SPEAKER_06 18:13

So were you the in the school because you said like in school with the groups, were you that type of person that was like I only hang out with boys because less drama?

SPEAKER_07 18:21

Oh good god, no. No, the boys were so much worse in high school. I went to Narajin.

SPEAKER_06 18:26

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:27

That was like ghetto of the ghetto.

SPEAKER_06 18:29

Yeah, that's bad. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 18:31

Yeah, and the boys are horrendous, but um, yeah, I just had my little group where, you know, I was very quiet in high school, hard to believe, I know. But I did not say she, I didn't talk. I just, you know, couldn't focus for the life of me either. So I just slept all the time. I just sleeping to class. Big espresso depresso. Hell yeah. Sleep in class, get home from class, go to school.

SPEAKER_06 18:57

So there was a uh a thing before um that you said that you speak to a lot of people. Um, you did tell us before that you're a big advocate for therapy.

SPEAKER_07 19:08

Yes, I love therapy.

SPEAKER_06 19:11

My thoughts on therapy is like, I mean, I've never been. Um but and I also don't need it because I'm just so mentally strong.

SPEAKER_07 19:19

Oh my god. I do I have some news for you, buddy.

SPEAKER_06 19:23

But I feel like, and I could be wrong, this is just my my thoughts on it. Is it very repetitive? Is it like very uh like open book questions and then see you later?

SPEAKER_07 19:35

No. Okay, every you're not working on the same thing every time. Like it's and you don't have to, it's you're in control of your own therapy session.

SPEAKER_06 19:46

So I can just throw hands whenever I want.

SPEAKER_07 19:49

No, okay. When you go into therapy, it also depends on what you're in there for as well. So I'm in for you know, like PTSD and childhood trauma and like my anxiety depression, and you know, learning how to reboot my brain and try and get it so that way I can actually go about my day without you know being so overwhelmed and stressing so much every day because it's not a single day where I'm actually relaxed and I just can't, and then I get overwhelmed and I get really bad panic attacks. Example, gym yesterday.

SPEAKER_06 20:23

Did you have a panic attack in the gym? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:26

Social anxiety, but yeah, and then you go in and they kind of just go, Look, what do you want to start with? Like, give me your background story, and your first session is pretty much them just getting to know you and what's going on, and they get to know you more and more every session, and you work on you know, maybe what's troubling you the most at that time. So you go, look, these are my main backgrounds because the therapist is always looking at the baseline of what they want to help you with. So say like with uh you know, uh your anxiety and stuff. If you're going in and you're like, this is me, blah blah blah. Anyways, this situation happened and I started getting really stressed, and you're blah blah blah. Tell them how you felt in the situation and what was happening, what was going on around you, and that they're looking at that and they're looking at you know your diagnosis or what they think is going on, and they're gonna give you advice that they know you will relate to and that will actually help you. A lot of people think that, oh, they're just gonna give you some notes and then you just have to go on that the whole time. And it's like when people say, Oh, make a schedule. Don't even get me started. I write a shopping list and I forget to take it with me.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

But how do you find opening up? Because that's like one thing I've heard about. It's like people are too scared to even talk to them.

SPEAKER_07 21:47

Like, did you actually didn't go to the therapist myself? I couldn't, I was very scared. It's not easy starting, like going taking yourself, you know, making that first step to go to therapy. Um, I actually When I was in high school and I was going through a particularly rough time and I was talking to my friend and I said to her, I was like asking her about it, and she was like, I think maybe you should try. You know, we have a school therapist and that. And I said, I don't want to go on my own. Like I'm scared to make that first step. And I don't know how to go about it or what to do because, you know, I was like 14. And she went, she went to that office with me, and I got her to sit with me for my first session as well. Because, you know, people don't realize it's not, you don't have to just be on your own. You can have someone with you for your sessions if that's what makes you more comfortable as well. And you can go about your session however you like and do certain things that make you comfortable. Or like I do mine over the phone. I don't do mine on Skype because I prefer to just have it where I'm just talking. I don't want to have to do that. People still use that, which is crazy. But um Yeah, and she really helped me through that. Uh it's really hard making that first step to get to therapy. Sometimes it takes a bit of encouragement.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

You got through it with your friend essentially.

SPEAKER_07 23:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

To help you get there. And you've got other friends into it now?

SPEAKER_07 23:14

Yeah, so I had a couple of friends, they were talking to me and they're like, Oh, I I don't know what to do, like I'm so worried about this, this, and this, and every single time a friend comes to me about that, or anyone, I go, You should really try therapy. And the thing is, it's really like it's not just hard making that first step because of all the anxiety and you know, the fear around it and you know, all the bullshit that comes with society going like, oh, I don't need therapy, there's nothing wrong with me. It doesn't have to be anything wrong with you. You can still go, and it just helps as well, and just helps, you know, get a lot of shit off your chest. You have come home from a big day at work and you're feeling like shit, and you go, Oh, you know, today just feels particularly rough. I don't know why. I'm just in a really rough mood today. Go to therapy.

SPEAKER_06 24:02

But could you use so sex is my therapy?

SPEAKER_07 24:08

Oh my god. We know staff.

SPEAKER_06 24:11

That's why I don't need to go to therapy.

SPEAKER_03 24:12

That's why you have three kids.

SPEAKER_06 24:14

That's why I got three kids.

SPEAKER_07 24:15

Yeah, you could end up with like nine kids. Have you heard of birth control?

SPEAKER_06 24:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 24:21

You know they're making one for men now.

SPEAKER_06 24:23

Um you should give it a try. Don't want it.

SPEAKER_07 24:26

You should really try it out.

SPEAKER_06 24:28

My wife don't have tubes.

SPEAKER_07 24:30

Oh. Yeah. You asshole. Why didn't you get a vasectomy?

SPEAKER_03 24:34

I do. Yeah, that too. Damn, that would be an extra.

SPEAKER_07 24:39

That would make it sure that nothing. It doesn't come.

SPEAKER_06 24:43

Doug got his balls cut off. Oh, well, I like my balls.

SPEAKER_07 24:46

That's not how a vasectomy works.

SPEAKER_06 24:50

I like my balls, okay? Um yeah, therapy. That's that's a really good insight because, like I said before, I just thought it was like a you go in, they read a couple questions and like blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

You've watched too many movies, eh? You have watched way too many movies.

SPEAKER_07 25:05

We do always say no, therapy is like their assessment on you and what they can do to help and how they think it can help. And it's constantly just pitching each other, like I'm pitching them a scenario and what's happened, and blah, blah, blah, and how I feel, and then they're pitching to me ways that can help me cope, and you know, they're also you're just you're venting to them as well. It's like a good friend that's confidential, it doesn't go anywhere, and that's the best part about it, is yeah, you can go to a friend and that, and that's why it's I find a lot of people is why I think a lot of people find it hard going to a friend as well. Is they don't they want it to stay between the two, and there's no guarantee of that. And so that's why I find it so therapy is the one thing that's always helped me, is going and knowing that it stays between us until I choose to, you know, if I want those notes transferred to another therapist or a doctor or anyone else, then I can do that.

SPEAKER_06 25:59

Can we have a therapy session right now? Can you be my therapist? Jesus Christ. Let's do it. Let's do it. What do you want to write today, sir? So you I'm coming to you, all right, Grace? Because you've been doing it uh for a while. And I'm my best friend for moral support. This is my moral support dog. So dog? Yep. We asshole. We I'm coming in because he's got his moral support, Chihuahua. Yeah, I've got my little bulldog here. And and I'm I'm just I'm just not feeling okay. Like the week's been big, and you know, I just I just this is my first time doing it, and I'm very nervous. So, Miss, sorry, what was it?

SPEAKER_07 26:44

Miss Ashton.

SPEAKER_06 26:45

Miss Ashton. Why'd you mock me like that? Miss Ashton.

SPEAKER_07 26:50

So address me correctly, please.

SPEAKER_06 26:52

Okay, sorry, Miss Ashton. So yes, I'm just very tired. Week's been big. Um my staffy's here, Missy. And how can we just silence now?

SPEAKER_05 27:09

Are we just silence?

SPEAKER_07 27:10

Are you supposed to say that? I was waiting for more and that was it. Um, okay, so what part of your week has been the hardest?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Just work.

SPEAKER_07 27:18

Just work? What's dropped troubling you about work? Is it just long days? You know, yeah, do you work like a lot of physical work? Is it just long office hours and things?

SPEAKER_06 27:28

No, not office. Um, I'm I've got a real trade um and I'm just sore. Like my body's sore. Mentally, I'm I'm a little bit drained. Yeah. Um, I get a little bit of anxiety here and there. I don't really know what triggers it, but just work.

SPEAKER_07 27:44

Do you have coping mechanisms for your anxiety?

SPEAKER_06 27:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 27:48

And what are those coping mechanisms? Oh, cancer. Have you considered that maybe you might have a sex addiction?

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 27:54

Okay, interesting. Um maybe get help.

SPEAKER_05 27:59

Oh, that's what I'm here to see you for.

SPEAKER_07 28:01

Yeah, I can't help you with that one, buddy. Maybe maybe like a chastity belt. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

I have one.

SPEAKER_07 28:12

Maybe get uh an electric one.

SPEAKER_06 28:16

Got one of those two.

SPEAKER_07 28:17

Actually, that might you might enjoy that a little too much.

SPEAKER_06 28:19

Yeah, a dog collar. But it's just it's actually for him, but do you know what a chastity belt is? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 28:26

Are you are you sure?

SPEAKER_06 28:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 28:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

You ever watched the love guru?

SPEAKER_06 28:31

Hey, this isn't meant to be like personal. I'm just, you're meant to be my therapist. I think you're ready for therapy too now.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Thank you.

SPEAKER_07 28:40

Yeah. I think you're warmed up, you know. You're getting ready. Is that is that? Yeah, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask you a few questions. This is um, don't worry, it's just an autism test.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

You fail.

SPEAKER_07 28:51

You pass. Oh, never mind. You already passed before the session even started.

SPEAKER_06 28:55

Beautiful. Pass with flying colours. That was a horrible fucking therapy session.

SPEAKER_07 29:01

You're lying a therapist, I ain't qualified for shit.

SPEAKER_06 29:03

I'm gonna go home and put my belt on.

SPEAKER_07 29:09

Gonna go get the gim mask.

SPEAKER_05 29:13

I'm gonna use your collar. Full suit up. Yeah. Alright. Terrible, by the way. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_07 29:23

But they should take my license. They should take your license. Good thing I don't fucking have one, eh?

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Jesus Christ. Um, I heard a lot of mentioning of your dad.

SPEAKER_07 29:34

Yeah, he says, Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

Oh, you got mummy issues too.

SPEAKER_07 29:38

Yeah, I don't go. Yay!

SPEAKER_06 29:41

Beautiful. I have a I have a crackhead mum too.

SPEAKER_07 29:43

Yeah, she's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 29:44

She trades alive.

SPEAKER_07 29:47

Yeah, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

Day dot.

SPEAKER_07 29:49

Yeah. Oh, well, I don't really know. I don't really care. But now she'd been crazy since day one, but she hadn't been doing crack since day one. But yeah, she I didn't cut her out until I was like no wrong. She like I didn't cut her out of my life until I was maybe 15, 16, because you know, I was like, I didn't want to let go of the idea of not having I mean, I always I just wanted her to do better for us. And you know, she just never got to that point, and it was really hard to kind of go, all right, this isn't getting any better. In fact, it's getting worse. She's not changing. She keeps telling me over and over again she's gonna change, and if anything, she'd just get batshit crazier every damn day. Are we related? Probably.

SPEAKER_05 30:42

We're both pretty short, so damn. She's if I'm going, yeah, you're coming with me.

SPEAKER_07 30:49

But yeah, she's fine.

SPEAKER_05 30:53

I've got nothing for that. That caught me so off guard.

SPEAKER_07 31:00

So you're not very quick then, are you?

SPEAKER_05 31:03

Oh yeah, but that was just fucking brutal. You were winding that bad boy up just like.

SPEAKER_07 31:14

I didn't want my little sister to have to keep going through it either. And I knew we had I sat down, my little sister, and we were just like, she was I told her I was like, look, I want to cut her out. I don't really want her to be part of my life anymore. She's just it's not gonna get any better, and she's only gonna make my life so much harder. And I like whenever she calls, I dread answering that phone and I just can't do it anymore. And you know, dad had only just gotten had us in his custody for a few years because she wouldn't let us let him get custody of us, which while that the courts let her have us because we were literally homeless multiple times. Couldn't tell you how that works. It's the whole system is fucked where it always goes to the mum, yeah, which is fucked up. They go, it doesn't matter how bad of a situation she's in, they go, she'll figure it out she's their mum, they need their mum. I was like, Yeah, the kids need also need their dad as well. And like I oh Jesus, some a lot of the times, you know, sometimes it's better off they go with a dad. Because especially in these situations, it's like it doesn't matter how much help the court offers to a parent like that, they're not gonna take it. And if they and on and on the rare occasion, if they do, there's no guarantee it's actually gonna end well. And even then, when they do go through care systems and they go, you know, rehab and stuff, which she obviously never fucking went to, like, you know, it's they gotta actually stick to it. And going and so going like, oh, you should do better for your kids, they don't give a fuck. A lot of them do not give a fuck. And that's just the hard truth. I know a lot of people might not want to hear that.

SPEAKER_06 32:45

Um it is, it is very much the yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:48

Sometimes it's not about what you want to hear, it's what you need to hear. You could it's like the same with me and my sister when we're kids and we're getting ready to cut her off. Tate didn't want to do it. She was like, nut, I I can't do it. I don't want to do it on my own. I was like, we're gonna do it together.

SPEAKER_06 32:59

Did you say Tate?

SPEAKER_07 33:00

Yes, one of my sister's name.

SPEAKER_06 33:02

Andrew is her first name.

SPEAKER_07 33:03

Doria. Top T wouldn't catch a stare.

SPEAKER_06 33:09

Yeah, if you um if you kind of look like him. Who?

SPEAKER_07 33:12

Tate Andrew Tate.

SPEAKER_06 33:14

Me? Hell yeah, brother.

SPEAKER_04 33:16

He doesn't have an American accent, but okay.

SPEAKER_06 33:19

Um if you if you ever want to go like learn more about the family court system, there's actually a really good podcast called the Broken Fathers Podcast. I don't know if you've seen it. Um, really good dude, and he dives into all of that stuff. I'm not gonna get into it because I'm not educated on that.

SPEAKER_07 33:34

Has actually come up a few times on my four-year page, so I've been wanting to look into that one.

SPEAKER_06 33:38

He's really good.

SPEAKER_07 33:39

Yeah. But yeah, it was just a lot, and that woman ain't never paid a dime of child support in her whole life. Yeah, that's so you know, dad's going off of just what he was earning for two girls, and girls are fucking expensive. Tell you what, I know don't have 'em.

SPEAKER_06 33:56

He's got three. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 33:58

Good luck, bitch. Good luck.

SPEAKER_06 33:59

I'll get rid of all of them.

SPEAKER_07 34:01

They go on a boarding school?

SPEAKER_06 34:03

No.

SPEAKER_07 34:03

Tough, you'll be fine.

SPEAKER_06 34:06

Right. Do you if they go to boarding school, it's worse?

SPEAKER_07 34:09

Oh, brother, yes.

unknown 34:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 34:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 34:11

Is that why he turned out like that? Probably.

SPEAKER_06 34:13

Because you were originally a girl, right? I think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 34:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:16

That was back before I um transitioned. Yeah. Also, you got a new haircut. We're not doing that.

SPEAKER_07 34:24

He thought he had to get rid of the long hair because you know, I thought it made him look like more of a man this way. That's why. Yeah, but they were hair, they were terrible.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Six.

SPEAKER_07 34:33

It was the knits and the like, oh psoriasis on the scalp. It was bad, yes.

SPEAKER_06 34:38

You need to relax, alright. This is our podcast. You just come in here roasting. I'm on the shape of his head. Can you roast that fella?

SPEAKER_07 34:44

No, I like him.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

He didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_07 34:48

I like his dog.

SPEAKER_06 34:50

Well, yeah, I've got a very similar story about my mum. I won't go into it because everyone's probably heard it before. But if you haven't, pretty much the same thing.

SPEAKER_07 34:58

But yeah, we just got sick of it. But like when I stopped talking, like I full stop. Like we wrote her letter of how we felt, and like our they pretty much just well, mine, I was pretty fucking low-key brutal, and I was like, Look, we're sick of it, you know. I don't want you to be a part of my life anymore. You make me feel miserable, and she like it got to a point where she was body shaming me all the fucking time. So now like I'm 57 kilos and I still think I'm fat.

unknown 35:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:26

Like, cause and I look at myself in the mirror and I all I see is like fat. And like I'd like, you know, and she would tell me, I'd wear clothes, and she'd be like, Oh, you look really fat and that, or you look like shit in that. And so I'd go and I'd throw, I'd get rid of it, and she'd be like, Oh, why'd you get rid of it? I wanted that.

SPEAKER_06 35:38

Yeah, because you wanna be like, Wait, so you were 57 kilos then?

SPEAKER_07 35:41

No, I was like 47 kilos back then. How was 12? Tubbs. No, wrong JP, you have last time.

SPEAKER_06 35:56

No, that's fucking horrible. I was actually, it's funny you brought that up because I was watching something the other day and they like it was a cartoon, but it was like they were looking, he was talking to his daughter, and he's just like, You're a fucking freak, like, I don't know why you do that, blah blah blah, or like all this shit. And I was thinking to myself, like, as someone as a dad that has three kids, I would never in my right mind ever speak to my kids like that. Because it happened to me when I was a kid, because I used to have like, you know how just can't fathom how anyone would speak to a child alone that isn't even theirs.

SPEAKER_07 36:27

Like, I've got three nephews and a little niece, and I'm like, I oh, I adore those little fuckers. Like, I'd spoil them as much as I possibly can, and I love them to be. It's like I couldn't imagine anyone saying that to a child, let alone anyone.

SPEAKER_06 36:43

So, you know how the first thing that you said to me when I came in here, you were like, Oh, you really do have big front teeth.

SPEAKER_07 36:50

That's different. You might be as short as a child, but you aren't one.

SPEAKER_06 36:53

Do you do you remember that?

SPEAKER_07 36:54

Yeah, but you started.

SPEAKER_06 36:55

So she agreed. I said nothing to the Orbit. So I used to get teeth.

SPEAKER_07 37:00

I'm pretty sure you commented on my height the second you saw me.

SPEAKER_06 37:03

Absolutely, I did. Yeah, see? So when I was a kid, I used to have like a really big overbite and massive like bugs bunny teeth.

SPEAKER_07 37:11

Yeah, well, I had like I used to get called like bug eyes and stuff because that when I was a kid, don't fucking laugh. But like people, and because I, you know, people thought I had giant, enormous eyeballs, and I was like, they're pretty average size, actually.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Insectosaurus.

SPEAKER_07 37:26

Yeah, yeah. Fucking bug eyes, bro. Look looking like a fly.

SPEAKER_03 37:29

But um fly goes down.

SPEAKER_05 37:35

This is what you used to do as a kid.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

I fucking hate this all the time.

SPEAKER_06 37:42

That's how you used to go to bed, right?

SPEAKER_07 37:45

No, I go to bed with T-Rex arms.

SPEAKER_06 37:47

Nice, me too. But I used to get teased by my stepmum because I I used to have and I used to start it as well. So I used to get teased a lot, and knowing what I went through back then, um I would never ever speak to any kid like that, let alone my own. I just don't know how how or why.

SPEAKER_07 38:08

Well, that's the thing, is what people don't realise how damaging it is because it doesn't like you could say, oh, it was just a joke. Sticks with them their whole life. There's shit that kids said to me when I was like in pre-primary and that that I still think about to this day. Like, I remember some little fucker. Oh, I hope.

SPEAKER_06 38:25

Yeah, call him out. What was his name?

SPEAKER_07 38:27

I don't even remember his that's he's not that's how like pathetic he is. I don't even remember his name. But I was it was actually my first year of high school. And high school's brutal, man. Oh, high school fucked me up. That bitch just put me through the trenches. But I um and I remember him like they were talking about they were all we're all sitting together, um, we're in class, and they were all talking about like, oh yeah, this girl, like, you you look all right, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like your tits will come in good and stuff, and then they looked at me. Mind you, we're all sitting in a group together, and they're all like basically rating all these girls and stuff, and telling them what they like like about them and what needs to change and what they would change about them, and you know, what needs more improvement and stuff. And they looked at me to go, yeah, Grace is alright, but she's got really thin lips. I was like, I'm literally 12.

SPEAKER_05 39:16

Thin lips.

SPEAKER_07 39:17

Thin lips and then they straight up called me lizard lips. I was like, Oh, yeah, sick.

unknown 39:21

Lizard lips.

SPEAKER_07 39:22

I was like, Jay Free shot the porker. And you know what? When I turned 18, I went and got lip filler, and none of my friends even knew that. Like when my friends, they I mean it's not really noticeable anymore, but it's not really there anymore because I just it disappeared and I grew into my lips.

SPEAKER_04 39:39

Charles, bruh.

SPEAKER_07 39:42

Choose bars, bruh. Default response, I'm sorry. I got nervous, I took like compliments, but um yeah, and I was just like, why would you say some shit like that? But like that was said to me when I was like 12, and then I that stuck with me my whole life, and then it wasn't until and then once I turned like it was like the day before I turned 18. I said to dad, I was like, Can I do this? And he was like, It's entirely up to you. You're old enough to make your own decisions now. You can go through.

SPEAKER_06 40:11

You're a weapon, he's a fucking legend. He's a fucking legend. No, Grace's dad, what's his name? No, Papa. You're a legend. Grace is daddy.

SPEAKER_07 40:19

His name's Mick, but uh he hasn't my dad. He is a nickname. We are related. Oh my god! He did some crazy bitches, but um, he uh um he is a nickname, but I'm not allowed to say it because I get told off every time.

SPEAKER_06 40:31

Is it porno?

SPEAKER_07 40:32

No, it's pickle.

SPEAKER_06 40:33

Pickle.

SPEAKER_07 40:34

Hey Papa Pickle, Papa Pickle. He's gonna kill me. Hey, no one knows who he is besides the people that watch he's pretty keen for this to come out and Joel is friends, you've gotta regret it.

SPEAKER_06 40:48

Does he know that you're here? Oh, Papa Pickle.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

That's good. Oh, really? Picked up Grace. Hey, hey, how you going, Mutt? He's like, don't ever call me Papa Pickle, pussy.

SPEAKER_04 41:00

Next time, hey, it's got a Papa Pickle, you've got Pick. Bro, you're gonna get put into the crib.

SPEAKER_07 41:07

He's gonna be like, you little fucker. You're just here. You can't fucking report this episode.

SPEAKER_06 41:12

How tall is he?

SPEAKER_07 41:13

He's six foot.

SPEAKER_06 41:14

Oh god.

SPEAKER_07 41:15

He's taller than you, bruv.

SPEAKER_06 41:16

Right, you're getting put down.

SPEAKER_07 41:17

He's step on both of you.

SPEAKER_06 41:19

I was just talking because JP said like before we started this that he he wanted to fight Papa Beagle for some reason. Beat his ass. Um good luck.

SPEAKER_07 41:27

So actually, he probably could now. He's going blind.

SPEAKER_06 41:29

I'm actually looking for a new co-host uh in about a few months.

SPEAKER_07 41:31

So if anyone's once he dies, I'm gonna come back. JP's going down a dark road.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

I'll be in the hospital bed. Iron lung and everything, like my last words will be Bubba Pickle.

SPEAKER_06 41:48

Yeah, you're dead, brother.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Grace did this to me. It's all false.

SPEAKER_06 41:53

Damn, that's um that's absolutely wild. JP was telling me you you have been listening to our episodes. I don't didn't know who you were until I can't remember what episode it was.

SPEAKER_07 42:07

He kept talking about me and then he mentioned me in a fucking podcast.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

Yeah, Grace Windigate.

SPEAKER_07 42:12

Yeah, I was like, you motherfucker!

SPEAKER_02 42:13

Oh, you know, I thought I knew your name when you said Grace Windegate. I was like, how do I know that name? It's because you fucking dropped it before.

SPEAKER_07 42:19

Libby, I was on FaceTime with Libby and she was telling me about it, and I we were like, oh, we'll watch it so we can like see it. And then you put it at the end. I had to watch that whole episode to find it.

SPEAKER_04 42:29

Yeah, that's how you get them.

SPEAKER_07 42:32

When I was setting you and Libby up, because that's how they got together, mind you. If it wasn't for me, she would have said, nah, fuck you, JP. Wait, so how did you What do you mean? She says that every day. Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_06 42:43

Did you find out? Did you know about us beforehand?

SPEAKER_07 42:46

Before they No, after. But um I yeah. How did you set us up?

SPEAKER_06 42:51

Yeah, how did you set us up with it?

SPEAKER_07 42:53

When you were hanging out and that, and I said to her, I was like, You should. He seems like an actually nice guy, and you have terrible taste in men, you know, go for it. And she did, and then I had to keep pushing her every day, and I had to help write text messages and now use it together and happily ever after, and then love and getting married, and I'm gonna be the flag. I said to her, I was like, Oh, you should give him a chance, you know. Like, he seems like a really decent guy. Now I'm like, fuck, he should never have done it now. I was like, I didn't think he's good for us driving us around.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

You did stalk me through this.

SPEAKER_07 43:27

Oh, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

It was like, oh, you've said this, this, and this. Well, how do we respect how is this, this, and this, actually, funny as fuck.

SPEAKER_07 43:36

I didn't even watch the whole thing, so I just skipped through to parts because I was reading because it comes up on Spotify, it shows you like the overall and where certain port like things, like certain quotes are said in that podcast episode. So you can skip to that. Like I've fast forwarded it to those bits.

SPEAKER_04 43:52

You fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_07 43:53

And I got parts where I was like, hmm, that's interesting. I can't wait to bring that up on FaceTime later. Because I made sure I FaceTime I told Libby, I was like, I'll FaceTime you while he's there and I'll ask him these questions because we were meant to ask each other questions so I could decide if he was good enough fit for her. And then I called up and I asked him these questions and I full on put them on the swap. I had like 21 questions. No, like 21. Some of them my own questions. He did terrible as well as well.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

Can you can you give us a few of these questions?

SPEAKER_07 44:20

I still have them in my notes. Give us a few.

SPEAKER_04 44:22

Give us a few.

SPEAKER_07 44:22

You know what the notes are called? It's called JP interrogation.

SPEAKER_04 44:26

I love this.

SPEAKER_07 44:27

This is the this is easy. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_05 44:29

Yeah, there I have You know what?

SPEAKER_07 44:31

They're good questions though. Do you want to read them?

SPEAKER_05 44:34

No, yeah, you give us uh give us five.

SPEAKER_06 44:39

Seven. Go. Give us five. Five of your best questions that you got from our podcast. Because you would have heard the ones that JP spoke about when he got some fucking funny words, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 44:51

Um one of them was do you know where the clip is slash what it is? Um the answer was no. So, but I already know.

SPEAKER_04 44:59

Yeah, and did you write down the answers?

SPEAKER_07 45:02

No, I don't know. I just literally remember the answers from them because it was so funny.

SPEAKER_04 45:06

So where is this mysterious boat?

SPEAKER_07 45:08

I've never seen it either.

SPEAKER_04 45:10

And I've you know, I really like to get there one day.

SPEAKER_07 45:14

I have a have you ever actually made a woman finish, or were you they just faking it to save face?

SPEAKER_04 45:20

You say I have a sex addiction.

SPEAKER_07 45:22

What the hell? Um, and then I also oh god.

SPEAKER_04 45:28

But have you?

SPEAKER_07 45:29

No, I actually I had some really good ones as well. I said, like, what kind of dad do you want to be? Like, what's how do you want to be as a father?

SPEAKER_04 45:39

What kind of dad do you want to be? What did he say? Did he add did he give a good answer?

SPEAKER_07 45:43

No, he gave a really shit answer. He was like, oh no, a good one.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

Alright, be honest.

SPEAKER_07 45:46

He legit said, I don't know, a good one.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

I was like, How do you define a good dad?

SPEAKER_07 45:51

Are you for real, right?

SPEAKER_03 45:52

Do you want to be caring? Do you want to like how would you boys or girls?

SPEAKER_07 45:55

You know, and how would you go about like raising your children? Like, could are you gonna be like the kind of person that goes, oh you're fucking toughen up?

SPEAKER_04 46:02

Or you'd be like, I mean, that's what it's like with my kids. It's fucking shit. He calls my kids child one, two, and three.

SPEAKER_07 46:11

Or another good one as well was how do you handle rejection?

SPEAKER_04 46:14

Ooh, that was a good question. Ooh, how do you? There's a lot of people. You have to answer these.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

I said pretty good. I go cry about and then I get over it. So that's pretty good, he asked me.

SPEAKER_07 46:26

He goes, like, I think I handle it pretty well. I'm like, Yeah, but how do you handle it?

SPEAKER_04 46:29

He's like, Oh no, I'm like such a like bloke response. First off, he was actually like in the morning, she woke me up.

SPEAKER_07 46:36

Yeah, I called on first thing in the morning. I was like, Alright, bitches, let's go.

SPEAKER_06 46:40

And I was gonna like, dude hasn't even figured out his like what he wants to do for the day. Grace is like, have you found the clip? Have you made some bitch calm yet? What kind of dad do you ought to be?

SPEAKER_07 46:52

Yeah, it was great. And he just had the same response to pretty much everything, like, oh, I don't know. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:58

Alright, grab two that you haven't told us yet, and I'll answer them.

SPEAKER_07 47:02

Where is what inspires you to be a better person?

SPEAKER_06 47:10

Your mum. What inspires me to be a better person? My childhood. So your mum? No, not my mum.

SPEAKER_07 47:20

More like more like Yeah, I want to be just like my mother.

SPEAKER_06 47:22

More like my dad. Like, I wanna like what my dad did, I want to do the opposite to that. That inspires me to be a better person. Like look uh looking back and knowing what I went through, but also I don't really know what inspires me. I guess my childhood does, but yeah, I don't know. I now know what you get uh uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 47:50

Starting off strong, two others. So my other one was like, what's your relationship like with your family? Like your your siblings and your parents. Um and he goes, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 48:03

He loves him.

SPEAKER_07 48:04

He's like, I don't know, good I guess.

SPEAKER_06 48:06

Shout out, Mama JP.

SPEAKER_07 48:07

Your mum! My mum. It's mum's so cute. I love the skits who's stupid with her, she's adorable.

SPEAKER_06 48:12

Well, my relationship with my family is utter dog shit. I hate my brother, my dad's an alcoholic, and my mum's a crackhead.

SPEAKER_07 48:21

Go diva.

SPEAKER_06 48:22

Moving on. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:23

And then the other one was like, um, have you been or would you ever go to therapy? And what are your thoughts on it?

SPEAKER_06 48:31

No, and I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 48:35

That's pretty much the same bucket of answer he gave me.

SPEAKER_06 48:38

Uh no, my well, I mean, you know you already know my thoughts on therapy. Um, would I give it a go? I think we should go do couples therapy.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

I said that. Actually, yes.

SPEAKER_07 48:49

Yes. Content. Yes. Do it, please. Then we can get an insider.

SPEAKER_05 48:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:54

No, that's that's what Toomie's for.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

He's giving me the dips.

SPEAKER_07 48:57

Yeah, but what you're gonna do is you're gonna act like a couple and see how long that you can go before the therapist realizes you're not in a relationship.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

We can oh, we can go as a gay couple. Yeah. What did you think we were? Straight couple? Yeah. Not yet.

SPEAKER_07 49:10

Two books. Wait, do you go in, pretend to be a couple, and then see how long it takes for the relationship therapist to go. Okay, yeah, these guys are not in a relationship together. They're taking the piss.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

It's gonna be the first question. When's his birthday?

SPEAKER_06 49:26

So, how far do we like do we get to kiss each other or not?

SPEAKER_07 49:31

I mean, you can do whatever the fuck you want, but this ain't that's not what therapy's about, bro. Maybe go to sex therapy.

SPEAKER_06 49:38

I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_07 49:39

I think you should. You might need it.

SPEAKER_06 49:41

I don't think so. My okay, I will. I will do that for you tonight in my bedroom. I will go to sex therapy for you.

SPEAKER_07 49:49

Don't film that, please.

SPEAKER_06 49:51

Oh, I will. I'm not ever saying it.

SPEAKER_07 49:56

I'm gonna wake up tomorrow to like an email or something like, hey Grace.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

Just just a photo of before and after. I think it went really good, honestly.

SPEAKER_07 50:07

10 out of 10 would do a guess.

SPEAKER_04 50:09

Would recommend.

unknown 50:10

Fire.

SPEAKER_06 50:11

Damn, fire. Well, I think that's um that's gonna be the end of this episode. That was that was a really good chat.

SPEAKER_07 50:15

Thank you for coming on, we're great girlfriends.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Before we did leave you, though, we do ask this question to all our other guests. And uh, I hope you prepared yourself. But uh what are five things you do to improve your mood when you're feeling down?

SPEAKER_07 50:27

Or uh, yeah, that's pretty accurate. What was that? A wank. But um finally laughing. Um I don't think it's about with my panic attacks. Um I have like an eye shove an ice cube in my mouth or like a sour lolly because it reboots your brain. Shut up, shaft.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Honestly, just shove an ice cube out of my punani, and then it's just I feel fucking awesome. I feel like an icy pole.

SPEAKER_05 50:55

I honestly thought that's where you're going. Oh my god, it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 50:59

Um, another thing as well is talk to call my dad. Call my dad, or I call Gibby and I have a fat meltdown.

SPEAKER_06 51:05

Wait, so you suck on icy poles. Wait, ice cubes.

SPEAKER_07 51:09

Well, for like if you're having a panic attack, you're feeling really overwhelmed, throw an ice cube or a sour lolly in your mouth. It literally shocks your brain. You kind of just go, oh wow. And then it forces your nervous system to calm down and kind of like reboot itself. It's fucking great.

SPEAKER_06 51:23

That's really, really interesting.

SPEAKER_07 51:25

I wish I had a given me a sour pitch, sour patch kid yesterday. I would have been fine. Instead, I cried in the bathroom for 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_06 51:32

So citrusy or like ice cold stuff.

SPEAKER_07 51:34

I thought you said citrusy, and I was like Yeah, did oh you you wouldn't know what that is.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

So what it does using ice cubes for panic attacks works by triggering the dive reflex, a psychological response that immediately slows the heart rate and shifts the body from fight or flight state into a karma state. It provides an intense sensory input that grounds you in the present moment.

SPEAKER_07 51:56

Yeah, my therapist got me under that. Shout out, Karen. We love that bitch. Shout out, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

We love that bitch, Karen.

SPEAKER_07 52:01

She's not a Karen, she's great. She's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_06 52:04

Hell yeah. That's wild. Okay, so you suck on ice cubes or a sour lulli. Or a sour lully, and you just call your dad. Oh no, sorry, Gibby.

SPEAKER_07 52:13

Yeah, Gibby or dad. Either I'll crash out on FaceTime with Gibby or I'll call my dad.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Or breathing square.

SPEAKER_07 52:21

I know it sounds super like textbook bullshit. I was just as many seconds as you like, but you like breathe in for four seconds, hold four seconds, breathe out four seconds, and then you can pretty much keep repeating.

SPEAKER_06 52:34

I don't I don't say a bit of oh yeah, and the wank.

SPEAKER_07 52:41

That was a start. That was every damn time. Every damn time.

SPEAKER_06 52:45

Why do why do you think why do you wank so much?

SPEAKER_04 52:49

Wait, how how often do you wank? I feel like I'm gonna end this fucking episode.

SPEAKER_06 52:55

I feel like saying wank for a chick is so wrong.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

Anyway, thank you for coming on the episode. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06 53:03

It I honestly appreciate you coming. Uh I'm sorry that you had to live with him for a few days.

SPEAKER_07 53:09

Yeah, it's been tough.

unknown 53:10

I do.

SPEAKER_06 53:10

It's been tough.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

Yeah. I gave you a fan today, and I'm gonna take it back.

SPEAKER_07 53:14

Yeah, you waited until the last two days of me being here. It was hot as fuck the whole rest of the week. And then they go, sorry, Grace, we don't have a fan, but the cat gets one.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

And then I literally thought that I was like, why don't you have Doug's fan?

SPEAKER_07 53:25

I was like, fuck you, Doug.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Doug's a fan.

SPEAKER_07 53:29

I've got this tiny little fan that's on a fucking stool, and I've had it for one night, and I was like, this whole time I've been sweating my hole off.

SPEAKER_06 53:35

That is hilarious.

SPEAKER_07 53:36

And the fucking cat gets one.

SPEAKER_06 53:38

Wait, I've I've yes, cool. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 53:41

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SPEAKER_06 53:52

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SPEAKER_07 53:53

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SPEAKER_06 53:58

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SPEAKER_07 54:09

You say by Graves? Oh, yeah, see ya.