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SPEAKER_05 0:00

There was no like after like there was a pause between come and down. Come down. Come.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

We're talking about just heading up. Did someone say come?

SPEAKER_01 0:12

I love that. Staff trigger word. You know when you say walk and the dog tweaks? You say come and staff tweaks.

SPEAKER_05 0:23

Welcome back to the Interstate Podcast, number one trade podcast in Australia. Beautiful. This is it's probably a good start off to this episode because we're going to talk about ADHD. And as people I think you have it. I've said it before openly. There's some footage somewhere of saying that you have ADHD.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

You said I have Down syndrome and autism as well. So, like, what on record are we actually going to go off? All of them.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

All of them. Down syndrome. Yes! When did I say I had Down syndrome? Um, pretty much You do actually look like one.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Um, when we did an episode, it was me, you and Brody, and we were like three, we were just chatting stories, and we were like, three things that are good about this bloke, or like, you know, three things. Uh three words to describe it.

SPEAKER_05 1:12

I was being generous.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

And the three words I I hit the trifecta, it was Down syndrome, autism, and I think generic retarded or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:19

Hell yeah. I mean, the top three to have, I reckon. No, we're gonna we're gonna talk about um autism, not autism, ADHD. ADHD. Do you think you have it? ADHD, no, because the the symptoms of ADHD are like you can't focus, you're stupid. Timmy, can you uh pull up some ADHD?

SPEAKER_01 1:46

ADD versus ADHD, attention deficit disorder versus attention deficit hyper disorder?

SPEAKER_05 1:52

Is that right? Yeah, that's exactly right. I was actually gonna ask you what yeah, hyper oh hyperactivity disorder.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

How many fucking windows do you have?

SPEAKER_05 2:03

I was working. Porn, porn, porn, yeah, ADHD. Because um, yeah, some of the symptoms for ADHD are um yeah, you can't focus your uh hyper activity, inattention, hyperactivity, and impulsivity.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

It's like that you just can't focus. It's one of those things, it's like you go to do one thing, you get halfway through it, and then something's not quite right with this thing that you needed for that thing. So then you go to fix that thing, then you find the next thing, and then all of a sudden you're down a rabbit hole of jumping from it's like how there's there's a big meme, or even I do it a lot on that's why I bought see it.

SPEAKER_05 2:40

Now I'm starting to be ADHE. I just went through three stories, and I'm gonna get there. That's the reason why I bought a tool belt, is because I would forget where one thing is, but as I'm going to find one thing, I would remember another thing and then go for another thing.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

How is the tool belt?

SPEAKER_05 2:56

Good. Uh all you chippies are just fat fucks and you need to lower it and get a snatch waist. I'm over it.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

It was very big, I'm gonna lie. Huh? It was kind of big. It would be shit for kneeling down, like you're just on your hands and knees all day.

SPEAKER_05 3:11

Really good for kneeling down. It feels like someone has their hands around my waist and I feel at peace.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Do you ever gotta like just lean off forward because you think someone's holding you?

SPEAKER_05 3:18

Just no. I just feel like I'm gonna be able to get my blood backbone out. Anyway, ADHD. No, that's so that's one of the reasons why I bought the tool belt. It's because I can have everything there. I don't have to keep going um around. I don't think I have ADHD because I can go and do one thing, but then while I'm doing that one thing, I'm remembering something else, and I can go do that thing. Are you saying ADHD people can't do that? Yes. Because they'll start one thing like housework or even um on a construction site, you'll go, oh, I need to go do this, you go do that. But as you're going to do that one thing, you'll see something else that needs to be done, and then you'll do that, and then it's just a re-occurring, it's like a ripple effect. And nothing gets done. To me's retarded and has ADHD.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Yeah, I just got diagnosed as of last week. I went through the process to get a diagnosis go through that very long, very long and very expensive to get because the only person well I don't know if I'm a fish, they don't give you like a certificate or a fucking badge or nothing. But I am but I'm currently uh being treated.

SPEAKER_04 4:30

Oh my god, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Uh, but I'm being treated for ADHD. Um so the process is you you go to your GP, and for me it was uh like encouragement from Lily, who works with uh kids uh with various issues. Why did that make you smirk? What I said kids, and you instantly thought something bad to say.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

You said kids with issues. Yeah, it's nothing wrong with it. It's just a little funny.

SPEAKER_02 5:06

So anyway, she she can recognize, you know, uh irregular behavior or whatever. So she encouraged me to go see a GP and get help because I I have issues focusing, that's what it is, and it's built up. I mean, it's always been there over my life. So I went and saw my GP, who then referred me to a psychologist and a psychiatrist, because psychiatrists are the only ones in Australia who can prescribe ADHD medication, and psychiatrists are ridiculously expensive. One appointment was a thousand dollars for an hour.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

What is a psychiatrist versus psychologist?

SPEAKER_02 5:46

I'm not a hundred percent sure of the difference.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Don't look at the screen, tell me the difference. I'm gonna say one does emotions and feelings. Um, and a psychiatrist. No, I've actually no idea.

SPEAKER_05 6:05

I look, I don't know what it's like. That's like a psychiatrist is a psych, like going into your like past traumas and figuring out why you have issues now.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Mm-hmm. Yep. Then what is the psychologist? Same thing. So it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 6:22

That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Yeah, I don't know. I meet with either of them, and it's kind of very similar. I mean, the psychiatrist that I met with didn't, apart from just give me medication, that's it. He doesn't give me advice. The psychologist helps me by giving me guidance on how to navigate my day and things like that. Um, but according to Google, the primary difference between a psychiatrist, the primary difference is that a psychiatrist is a medical doctor who can prescribe medication. A psychologist is generally not a medical doctor, focuses primarily on talk therapy rather than prescribing medicine.

SPEAKER_05 6:53

I was kind of saying that before. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

A psychologist is therapy, psychiatrist is a doctor. And the big difference it just says here is education. A psychiatrist has a medical degree, and a psychologist would just have like a master's or a doctorate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:11

Yeah. So what have you so you got prescribed? Power medication. I was gonna say, yeah. Just cut me off, man. Physically, mentally, all of it, different.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

All of it, different.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Very rough, you know, before an hour.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

You seem more chill, is it, or is that me? So well, the the issue for me was and the way that my psychologist explained it to me is the way that ADHD affects your brain. Like he he broke it down like the what's actually chemically happening in your brain, and the way your brain communicates, you have like serotonin, which is the pathway for things to send messages across. And for people with ADHD, your serotonin can deplete really quickly compared to neurotypical people. I think that's right. So, what would happen for me on like a working day when I got a lot to get done, I would always do it in the morning because uh without knowing anything about my brain or ADHD or anything, I just always knew like I get my work done in the morning, I'm most productive in the morning. Um, because throughout the day, as my serotonin depletes or whatever, I become less and less focused and struggle to start tasks and that kind of stuff. It got to the point for me where like I would constantly have a list of things I want to do, like creating content, expanding my business, whatever. And I've, you know, weeks would pass and I'm just not getting anything done. Um, like there'd be times where it's like, cool, I'm gonna sit down on my computer and do work and without thinking, whatever happens, cut to an hour later and I'm in bed. And I would like this is what I would say to the GP and the psychologist, like you just black out and you're like bed. Yeah, like I don't know what the drive is, but it's just like I can't handle this, it's too much, I can't think straight, especially with tasks like because I'm work uh as a creative in video editing. When you have like a project that you want to work on and how to approach it, it's like your brain kind of just shuts down where it's it's too much to deal with. So I would just find myself in bed.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

Do you find that you're like trying to overprocess it without knowing? Yeah, I mean that's and then that and then that's why you're like, oh fuck this, I don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Yeah, it just seems like such a big task when really like I know video editing, I love video editing, I love creating content, it is a passion, but yet the task seems so big that my brain just kind of shuts down, and I would rather just go to like Doom Scroll for hours instead. Um, so that's kind of what led me to go to a doctor because we kind of identified, well, yeah, it's probably ADHD. Thing is, like you see videos on TikTok where people talk about ADHD, and it's like, well, if you do this, you've got ADHD, and it's like every single person would be like, Oh, I've probably got ADHD because TikTok says I do this funny or whatever. Um, but then also with that can come a lot of anxiety, or in my case, depression. I don't really deal with anxiety or I don't feel like I do, but I go through or I've gone through in the past big depressive stages where I will be in bed all day, every day for like weeks, and not understanding it and being able to like communicate it with like my partner Lily, it would cause issue because she'd be like, Oh, what's wrong? And I was like, nothing's wrong. I'm doing fine. She's like, You haven't left bed in like a week. Um, and that was kind of the catalyst. This has been happening for like a couple years now, which is what has led me to finally go to a doctor and I'll try to understand like this isn't normal behavior. Normal people don't deal with this stuff. I just thought, you know, this is what everybody kind of deals with, but no, that's not the case.

SPEAKER_05 10:42

Well, yeah. Right. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:46

That got sad.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

It did, but that's cool. I like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Now, how is it different to before?

SPEAKER_02 10:53

Yeah, well, now I mean I'm just starting this journey, right? So, as far as the medication goes, it's a stimulant. So the idea is it helps my brain focus on a task. It's not, it's not a take a pill and all of a sudden I can do everything there is. Um, another big part of it is building a routine around that. So, this is what the psychiatrist said, like, yeah, I'm gonna prescribe you this medicine, but it's very important that you find a way to build a routine to help you kind of get stuff done. So, in my case, what I do is every day I just have a to-do list and I can just go through things one by one, and the medication medication just helps me focus on all these tasks. So it might be work. So, like, you know, top of the list the other day was podcast. So I go to my list, cool, and I can just sit there and focus and get it done. And then I can put things on the list that I want to get done, like say, create content, like I created that ad for my business, which is something I've wanted to do for months, and it's just felt like such a big task I've never been able to get done. But with the medication, now I've got my to-do list, kind of helps me go through and helps me keep energy throughout the day. So that's why um I can't drink caffeine, like I have to quit coffee now, at least as I'm starting on this medication, because it's a stimulant. Caffeine can send my give me heart palpitations, send me over top. Like I have to be careful at the gym as well. Can I have tea? Uh, I think tea, I mean, I drink like herbal tea, so it's not yeah, high in caffeine. So don't worry. Don't worry, you're not quitting tea. I mean, also I drink my tea in the morning before the stimulant like kicks in. Um, so previously, before medication, I would nap a lot. By the time the afternoon hits, I used to just have naps like every day at like 1, 2 p.m., which links when you know when the psychologist explained about serotonin depleting, it makes perfect sense. My body like is physically crashing halfway through. That's the only reason I started drinking coffee, was so that I would stop napping um at like lunchtime.

SPEAKER_05 12:42

I mean, look, I so I feel the tiredness when it hits like three or four in the afternoon. But I think that's due to the physical work and labor that I do. So then when I get home, I just kind of like if I feel like I need a nap, and this is what I was actually talking to you about before the marine, that marine nap thing where it's like a 10-minute nap and they put their feet up on the couch or they put their feet up on the nap.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Just to be more specific, it's navy seals, not just the water.

SPEAKER_05 13:09

Sorry. Yeah, navy's not the SEALs.

unknown 13:14

What?

SPEAKER_05 13:15

Yeah, Navy SEALs or like Army or whatever the fuck it is. It's one of them, and they just have they put their feet up on a couch or a bed or something, and they just will lay flat on the floor for 10 minutes and then they'll come to and they're like re-energized. So the one thing that I do is if I need to nap or like regather myself, I'll lay on the couch for 10 minutes and then like I'm good to go. But yeah, I don't act I don't actively feel like I need a nap, or I don't actively feel see when it comes to the thing that you're talking about, when you're like, if there's a task, if I think it is a big task, I'm like, if I just do it now, it's gonna be over and done with. Like, I don't overthink it, I don't so I just like crack into it and just do it. Because by the time I finish it, I'm gonna be like, oh shit, it was actually pretty easy. And I say the same thing to Michaela, like she's like, it just starts building up like all the all the housework and all the washing and all the dishes, and she's like, it just it builds up and I try and keep on top of it, but it just keeps going and going and going. And it will take her three days to clean the whole house, as where I'll just put my headphones on and it will take me two hours because I can just I would rather just do it, all of it, and don't stop, and then I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

So another big thing, I guess, for people with ADHD and and me was um the length of time you can like focus as well. So little house tasks would often be a distraction for me. Um so like you would or an typical an ADHD person might struggle to focus on anything for like more than half an hour, any task. And this is something I discovered through the psychologist, where he gave me an exercise to monitor how I felt before and after doing things, a mix of things, whether it was work or social activities, make a note of how you feel, like rate your mood, rate your physical, what all this stuff, and then afterwards rate it. And that was a big eye-opener for me because it would be like things like I went out for dinner with like Lily and a friend, and my mood was great before, my mood was shocking afterwards, and it was like a bit weird, like well, why would that be the case? And for me, it's like because we're sat down at a table for like an hour to two hours, I'm bored, I can't sit there anymore, like I can't engage in conversation, I just don't want to be there. I need to go do something different, and the longer we sit there, the more depressed I get, or the sadder. I've just it feels like boredom. That's how I would always describe it. When Lily would be like, What's wrong? I would just respond with, I'm just bored.

SPEAKER_05 15:45

But it's not boredom, it's my brain just struggling to should try to re reprogram your brain by every time you feel bored, just go jack off.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

Yeah, you gotta you gotta mind coach over here. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

I'm not taking any advice for this guy. I'll take the professionals I pay thousands of dollars to.

SPEAKER_05 16:05

You're re-stimulating your brain.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Yeah, start microdosing pingers.

unknown 16:10

Come on.

SPEAKER_05 16:11

What?

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Microdose, that's just an MDMA cap. Microdosing fingers.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Go on, mate. How long did it take to get diagnosed in the process of doing milk?

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Uh month, mostly because uh of access to psychologists. So, I mean, going to a GP, I can book that in. I could go see my GP this afternoon if I wanted, that's quite easy. Then the referral to the psychologist could see him within like a week. It's the psychiatrist, especially because we live in a regional town. My only option was telehealth, and telehealth services are just you're dribbling over there. Yeah, I didn't. I don't think ADHD is your problem, but something else. But yeah, the psychiatrist. Did I say that? I can't see. Yeah, and I was the psychiatrist is the one that took so my initial booking. I made it. I had to book, I had to wait like a month. Um, but I was also using prescription cannabis at the time for chronic pain, and you can't be prescribed um like ADHD medication if you're using cannabis, um, because I guess there's clashes there, whatever. So I had to I had to go in with a clean drug test. So I had to quit cannabis for a month, get it all out of my system, um, and then go. So I had to then postpone the appointment for like another month. So it took me in total like three months to get onto this medication, but you could probably do it a lot faster in other situations.

SPEAKER_05 17:36

That's so funny because I remember dropping off the SD cards here, and you walked out, and I was like, This dude is ripped. Yeah, it was in the evening, yeah, probably. Yeah, and you you like come out and you're just like, What big man? And I'm just like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Like, I'm gonna go back. I mean, again, I think that's a big part of ADHD. I don't know, but uh like addiction, or at least like cannabis makes I mean, I'm prescribed cannabis for back pain, but I think I would use it more regularly than I need to because um it's like self-medicating. It's like when the serotonin depletes or whatever, and you start to feel depressed, cannabis would just make me care less about my situation. Like, yeah, I know I didn't accomplish anything today, but cannabis just I just don't, you know, I'm stoned, so I'm chilling. But if I'm not stoned, I start to feel shit about myself because I'm like, fuck, I'm not doing anything that I need to be doing, and that will weigh on you.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

And it's man's fighting the system, a depressant and uh excitement. Nope. What stimulant stimulant at the same time? Yeah, man's like trying to have melatonin and caffeine, it's just we're fighting you know which one's gonna take over. He's like does is there certain medications you can take for uh ADHD or is it all kind of like one type?

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yeah, yeah, there is a mix. Um, so the psychiatrist told me there's like multiple options, and he Don't take the blue ones, yeah. The blue or the red. Um, so I'm on what's called Vivance, and the reason he chose that over I can't remember what the other one is, like Ritalin or something, you know, one of those ones that you hear about. I think that's an ADHD medication. He sh gave me Vivance because it lasts longer. So with the other ones, I don't know if Ritalin's correct. One of those. It yeah, you go through ups and downs, and when when you're coming down off a stimulant, you can become stressed and irritable. That's why at dog training the other day I came home in a very, very bad mood. Um, and it was only like the next day that I realized, like, shit, yeah, that was bad. That's because the stimulants were wearing off. But the viance, he gave me that because it lasts for 14 hours.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

So you have to take it as early as possible, otherwise, you're not gonna be able to sleep. And the only thing with Vivance, there's a like there's a couple um side effects that I'm not experiencing, which were like the main side effects. So loss of appetite was a huge one. They actually use Vivance for um obese people, I guess, or whatever, to help them eat less. You both just get instantly like um, but I'm have no loss of appetite. I'm getting hungry at the same time of day. I always get hungry. Yeah, we can tell. Right. And then the other one was yes, sleep. Um, but I'm falling asleep just fine. My sleep has maybe not been great, but throughout the night. But that's mostly because yeah, it keeps you jacked up. Like if I was to take the vibe outs at like 2 p.m., I would definitely be up till like 4 a.m.

unknown 20:33

4am.

SPEAKER_05 20:34

Can we I would love to see if we have ADHD. You want to pull up some sort of ADHD test? Let's let's pull up the test of ADHD. Because I don't think I do, but there's also times like when it comes to content, right? Like, I'm more like I'm overthinking everything that we're doing. Like, I want to get into like the nitty-gritty of things and be like, how do how does everything work?

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Oh, while you're searching that up, Timmy, quick question. Can you take sleeping tablets with that medication? Because obviously it keeps you awake if you take it late. What happens if you do try to take like melatonin or some kind of sleeping tablet?

SPEAKER_02 21:17

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

It'd be the same thing as caffeine and melatonin.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

It's probably ill-advised, I would imagine. When you're on these stiffinets, they've they're a very highly regulated drug, which is why only psychiatrists can give them out. Um, because I think there are like addiction issues with them as well. Um, and I think the idea is if you're on them, you shouldn't really be doing anything else to go with it. So you've you're taking them now, yeah?

SPEAKER_05 21:42

Mm-hmm. And how do you feel? Like, do you feel you can last week?

SPEAKER_02 21:46

I felt a lot better than I do this week. Like yesterday I started to feel kind of how I used to feel. Last week I got everything I wanted to get done. It was amazing. I don't physically yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I don't physically feel anything. It's Like I physically feel like I have more energy, but um it's it all comes down to focus, and a big thing with it is you this is why you need the routine, you need to make sure you're focusing on the right things because it makes you focus so hard. If I was to take it and then when it's hits its peak, I jump on Instagram, I'm just gonna be non-stop focusing on that feed because the drugs make me kind of do that. So that's a big part of it, is like make sure you have your activities to focus on, otherwise you're gonna be focusing on the wrong stuff.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

I get stuck scrolling every now and then, and if I ever need to get something done, like at the back or in the shed of something, the one thing I do is I'll like be scrolling, I'll be like, turn it off, be like, what am I doing? And I'll just walk and sit to where I need to go do something. And I may sit there for like 10 minutes, just be like, just go do it, you know? Just sitting there. Yeah, come on, and then eventually I'll be like, I'll start doing something, and all of a sudden I'm in, I'm onto it, fully locked in, energetic. I mean, it's so weird to me because I don't have an issue with doom scrolling.

SPEAKER_05 22:58

Like the only time I'll doom scroll is at night or or on my lunch break. Like, because yeah, well, if there's nothing for me to do, then yeah, I'll doom scroll. But if there's work that I have to do or I need to do, I'm not gonna stop work to doom scroll to then go back to work.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Do you ever find yourself doom scrolling to the point where you're like, holy shit, it's been like an hour. You kind of get lost in the sauce. See, that would happen to me all the time. No way.

SPEAKER_05 23:25

Because I would, I would, I would go on, I would go on it for maybe 20 minutes, and I'm like, I like it feels like my brain is like imploding.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

He also doesn't really know how to use Instagram. We found this out the other day.

SPEAKER_05 23:39

Really? What happened the other day? Nothing happened the other day. I was so when I talk about like I want to be like in like with content because I'm so invested in content. I'm so invested in like making good quality reels and skits and like trying to make people laugh. When things don't go off, or if they don't get much much engagement, I'm like, why?

SPEAKER_01 24:02

Like, what like what is it about this reel that wasn't engaging enough for people to it's always funny because he he goes to the next level and he's like, I find it funny, I find hilarious, why isn't it going off?

SPEAKER_02 24:14

He gets really upset when like why is the content game the same and every client I ever work with, these are the questions they come with, well, why isn't this? Like, I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

Yeah, no, I'd what's your screen time? I don't do that, I don't do whatever the fuck he's saying. I'm just saying, like, like I I if I post content like I think it's funny, like I don't really care what people think because there's gonna be people like me out there that find it funny regardless. Like, I'm not the only person that's gonna find it funny, right? So I know that it someone's gonna find it funny, but it's more like it's more the content structure, like how can I change the structure of the content to make it more relatable to people, to get it out more.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:57

So what happened the other day is um the way I've been uploading the reels is um I've just been uploading it and putting the caption for the first three seconds for people to read, and then after three seconds it goes away. Um I didn't realize that you can put a caption and change the thumbnail to anything in in the reel. So then JP said, like, why don't you find the most interesting spot of the of the reel, put the caption on that part, but it's not actually in the video, it's just the thumbnail.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that. I think you could do that. No, you can also just upload any picture you want. It doesn't need to be a thumbnail.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

That's what people do. But 90% of it is like you're not scrolling through one by one, catching it and then reading the caption underneath and all the rest of it. Which is what I'm saying. Scrolling scrolling? Scrolling scrolling on the whole thing where it's just a bunch of pictures, and obviously you normally just click the most interesting one or one you're chasing.

SPEAKER_05 25:52

But I didn't realise that this is how people watch reels, right? When I do reels, I just kind of I I just kind of click on a reel. Like if someone shares me a reel, I'll watch it and then I'll scroll, I'll scroll from there on Instagram. Right. I didn't realise people go in the search bar and that's where they're the explore page.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

That's where they look touch the explore page. Yeah, that's what I that's what 90% of people do. Yeah, I just go to the reels tab. Yeah, that's what I do. It's you.

SPEAKER_05 26:16

No, because if you all the boys in the gym. Isaac and Chris said the same thing. They'll they'll go into the here and they'll look at all the thumbnails and they'll see, oh, that intrigues me.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

Or like something based off what they want on my explore page.

SPEAKER_05 26:28

Like right there on mine is a bear spreading ass cheeks.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Mine will be 90% women on the explore page. Of course. Oh, yeah, but if I go to the reels tab, nothing, none of that, no thoughts on there at all.

SPEAKER_05 26:41

See, mine's I I'll I'll just go there and mine's just brain rot. Like mine's just dumb memes machine. Um interesting.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

So I what I don't know why my explore page is plagued. I literally never touch it because it's plagued.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Mine's like a mix of 90% cars, 90% tools, gym bits, and then some random video.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

But I think if someone sends you a reel and you scroll from there, I think that's different than if you go to the real store. Yeah, yeah. I think that's like something related.

SPEAKER_06 27:06

And then your phone listens to me.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

He can't hear you.

SPEAKER_02 27:11

I can hear, I can hear that you're talking.

SPEAKER_04 27:13

Do you want to do I speak a bit louder?

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Oh my god, absolutely not. He's got he's got headphones on, which is also like listening to us. Won't pick you up at all.

SPEAKER_01 27:22

Yeah. Well, I have a question for you, To me, with the zoomy. This was uh delivered in by an anonymous source on my left. Um the question about since because you've been a week now.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

Yeah, just over, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

Um is it noticeable to like has it lowered your screen time? Or like has have you felt that you've done different hobbies and not stick to one that is lowered?

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Uh screen time massively lowered because I'm also making the conscious effort to not do it because I know it will trap me.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

I'm so confused what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

So a big thing that I'm trying not to do is scroll in the morning. Um, because I mean scrolling first thing in the morning depletes your dopamine anyway, so no one should really be scrolling in the morning. But that was a big thing for me. Like if I wake up early, well, I don't need to be up for an hour, so I'll scroll for an hour and that just sets you up badly for the time.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

But never do the morning Minecraft grind.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

Oh, I'm on the Minecraft grind. Did you say you scroll for an hour in the morning? You I used to, yeah. Yeah, really? Now I don't touch. Yeah, first thing I'd wait.

SPEAKER_05 28:33

If I wake up early and I got time to kill, that's I said I I say to Michaela, I like as soon as my alarm goes off, I turn my alarm off, go for a shower, and then I walk out and have my coffee and break in stuff, as with Michaela. Like, I've seen her wake up, walk out doom scrolling as you've I'm like, oh that would fry my brain. Man, I've had days where I wake up.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

I've had days where I like wake up at 7 a.m. and probably won't get out of bed till like 11 and I'm just scrolling.

SPEAKER_06 29:01

Me, I will literally I have to wake up like bed, sleeping. I will like not sleep. I think I've like taken like it takes me like at least to one o'clock to go to sleep because my brain is so bored of sleeping. I think of sleeping as boring. That's what my brain thinks.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

I live in sleep. Yeah, yeah. No, that's right. No doom scrolling in your sleep. That's wild.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Uh yeah. But yeah, now I mean if I was to go start scrolling, I could spend probably longer scrolling than I used to because the medication would make me focus, apparently. Whereas now, yeah, I make the conscious effort, but also I'm not distracted by it during the day, like I used to be. Like if I was doing something on my computer, and you know, there's a lot of times I will open Instagram to go look at a page or Facebook to go look at a page that I'm working for or doing, and these apps are designed to distract you. So before I know it, I'll be scrolling for like an hour. Um, whereas that just doesn't happen anymore at all. Like I'm scrolling way less. I can't think of about when I the only time I really scroll reels now is like on the toilet or when I'm brushing my teeth, I sit there and I scroll my reels. That's what I should I don't do it in bed at all, at all.

SPEAKER_06 30:10

Has Jack have you asked you about the hobby thing? Have you like changed? Like, have you felt like not staying at the same hobby, like changing like stimulation?

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Hyper focus. Yeah, is that what it's called? Hyper focus. So that was a problem before, yeah. That was one of the problem symptoms of ADHD or the problems that I deal with is hyper focus. I would find an interest or a hobby, and it would be my life, and I'd be like, this is my new path, this is what I'm gonna do for like a week. Yeah, so especially in content, I would have all these ideas for content, and I want to create a channel that does this, and I want to create a channel, then I would start to do it, and then you know, I would slowly just nothing would come of it.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

Do you think you need sorry to answer your question before my average daily time screen time is five hours and thirty-three minutes?

SPEAKER_06 30:56

Really? Five hours?

SPEAKER_05 30:57

Five hours, five hours, but my most used app is CapCut. What is the second? Uh uh Instagram. What's in it?

SPEAKER_06 31:06

Minimum nine hours.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

Two hours per day average, yeah. That's fucked. Nine hours.

SPEAKER_06 31:13

Yeah, minimum time hours.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

You cunts are fucked. Um, do you think to me Oh do you think you would benefit from having someone like me that you can rely on to like say if you've got an idea or if you got content ideas, and because I'm so invested in content, the same as you, do you reckon if you were to call me and be like, yo, I've got this idea, let's fucking do it?

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Yeah, I think so. I think accountability is a big thing that helps me. That's why I like going to F-45 or doing not necessarily F-45, but when I want to work out, I find classes work way better for me than just going and doing a workout myself because there's accountability and signing up for a class or yeah, you know, paying for a class and that kind of stuff makes a big difference for me.

SPEAKER_06 32:01

I think that's the same as me. I like I wouldn't do the gym if I wasn't doing something like running events. Like if there's a like I've put myself in a running event, put myself in high rocks, I won't go to the gym. I haven't been only two days.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Just for in case you didn't know, she has like mad ADHD.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Well, that's it, and it is a spectrum. So mine isn't with the, and if we're gonna do one of these questionnaires, you'll see when the doctor initially did a question or the GP initially did a questionnaire with me, you know, it's all on a scale of one to ten. Do you do this? Like, you know, do you fidget? Is a big one. And I fidget a very small amount. Like when I'm driving, I notice, you know, I might be tapping on the wheel or something, but a lot of people can't sit still at all, fidget a lot. So that doesn't affect me as much as um another question. Might be do you find yourself wanting to interrupt conversations a lot? And I'm like, yeah, I do that a lot, or make the conversation like about you. You're like, you want to interject. And I'm like, yeah, that's something I really struggle with. It's not that's what I'll say. That's what I mean. That's normal. People don't behave like that.

SPEAKER_05 33:07

You think it's normal because you've been brought up with it. So that's you, that's your experience.

SPEAKER_06 33:12

So you go, oh, I don't think it's a friends that do it.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

ADHD ADHD is is massive. I think everybody, it's a spectrum. I feel like everybody sits on it, it's just how much are you on it? Yeah. And a big focus of the questionnaires, uh, especially with the psychiatrist, was talking about different stages in my life. So he'd be like, I'm gonna ask you these questions. How were you affected by like this when you were a kid? And then what about when you were like college age and now as an adult? Um, and you know, it's all the stuff as a kid that really like, you know, as he's asking me these questions, it was like, Yeah, were you ever in trouble in school? I'm like, constantly. And he's like, Why? And I was like, just for not paying attention. I was always loud in class, I always wanted attention, I was the class clown. It's like that's not normal behavior.

SPEAKER_05 33:56

Yeah, I was I I was the same. I always I was the one that was just always trying to make people laugh or like doing something else other than not doing the work. Let's do this this questionnaire. I I really want to do this.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Yeah, let's have a look at this. I wonder if it's gonna be similar because it sounds like like the questionnaire, the J the questionnaire questionnaire, the GP gave me God, that was hard. Um right now. Wish brother was um it seemed like a default thing. It was just like 10 questions on a sheet of paper, and by the end of it, it was like, yeah, you kind of fit, or you likely have ADHD. Like low, but you likely have.

SPEAKER_05 34:30

So you're an you're an incel spectrum air.

SPEAKER_06 34:31

Are you pretty low? Like in your air in yours, yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think I was pretty low. High as hell.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Yeah, she's uh I guess we are too poor to go do that.

SPEAKER_06 34:41

Yeah.

unknown 34:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Right, let's do this test. Uh we're all getting distracted because of ADHD. Because we're all on the spectrum. So I'm gonna ask you these questions and you're gonna reply rarely, sometimes often, or very often. Yeah. Okay. How often do you have trouble wrapping up the final details of a project once the challenging parts have been done?

SPEAKER_04 35:00

Could this comment on this main like can like such broad questions? House projects and that is any sort of project that you're working on. Look, we just go often, I reckon.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Yeah, I would go often. That's one of the reasons. Do you have difficulty getting things in order with tasks that require organization?

SPEAKER_01 35:20

No, so you're fine, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Rarely. Really? Do you have problems remembering appointments and obligations?

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yes. No, he remembers him. He's just like me.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Yeah, yeah. Uh yeah, really. Really? Uh do you find it difficult to put ideas onto paper? Really. Do you have a task sorry, when you have a task that requires a lot of thought, how often do you avoid or delay getting started?

SPEAKER_06 35:49

Um all the time.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Really? Really.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

So if there's like a if if there's a task that requires a lot of like like it says, thought, will I get into it straight away or will I do it?

SPEAKER_02 36:02

This is what I was talking about before when it seems like a mountain to me. So this is a big one for me. This will be very often for me. Yeah, so if I have a task, like say I have a a video I want to edit, a wedding video that I made for a friend, I will like postpone it and postpone it and postpone it till the very last deadline because it just seems like such a massive task. Yeah, so really so rarely for you. How often do you fidget or squirm with your hands or feet when you have to sit down for a long time? See, again, for me, this was lower than the other issues for me.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

So sometimes? Like I do it, but not all the time. Like right now, I'm kind of just playing with my nails because I know they're long. Yeah, so I mean, it's probably like rarely. Yeah, really.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

I won't lie. If you watch back this footage the entire time I've been rearranging these things, your knees also.

SPEAKER_02 36:43

I think that's different. I think it refirms like when it's squirming, like you know, you you need to move, like you're you're getting agitated by sitting, not just you're just like fiddling with something in front of you, you know? Yeah, how often do you feel overly active and compelled to do things like you're driven by a motor?

SPEAKER_05 37:02

Can I have it in a sentence in a sentence, please?

SPEAKER_02 37:06

That I that argument.

SPEAKER_06 37:07

You need motivation, you need motivation to do a task.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

How often do you feel overly active or compelled to do things like you're driven by a motor?

SPEAKER_05 37:17

Oh, all the time.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Yeah, all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

Like I have I now have two weeks off uh from work, and my missus says, like, I don't want you to do stuff around the house because it's your rest time. You're like, I need to do something. I can't rest. I have to do things. Yeah, otherwise I feel like I'm just wasting my day away.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Or how often do you make careless mistakes when you have to work on a boring or difficult project? See, again, for me, this was quite a low one. Like I don't really make careless mistakes.

SPEAKER_05 37:47

Because it's I put the same effort in if it was something exciting or if it was something boring. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:53

It's not really how often do you have difficulty keeping your attention when you have been doing boring or repetitive work? So something that you find boring, do you get distracted instead of doing it, or do you just get it done?

SPEAKER_05 38:08

I just get it done.

unknown 38:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:10

So you're really not on this button.

SPEAKER_05 38:13

Well, it's yeah, I just don't like I don't understand it. Like if I've got something, like, say like cleaning the whole house.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Like that's a big thing. Yeah, it's a big boring task. I would rather tell McCallag, hey, say, hey, and this is on record, this is in previous episodes, so it's not something I'll just bring it up. But I would tell everybody, hey, you take the kids, go to the park, go get a coffee, go do something, I'll clean the whole house. And then by the time she gets back in a few hours, the house is clean.

SPEAKER_06 38:38

Really?

SPEAKER_05 38:39

Because I just put I just chuck the and what I've been loving the most is she's she got a record player for um Christmas last year, and her collection has starting to meet on her. Bro, I'll just go through records. Like listening to a record player while doing uh housework is such a different vibe. You are old to having like headphones in. It's so weird.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

But yeah, so yeah, really. How often do you have difficulty concentrating on what people say to you, even when they're speaking to you directly?

SPEAKER_05 39:13

See, this is quite often because like I'm often trying to think of how I can take this conversation. I think this kind of comes from the podcast. Like I'm actively listening to you, but in my head, I'm going, Oh, this would be funny to say.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Oh, this would be then you realize that they've asked you something, you're like, Yeah, yeah, sit here.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

So this was a big one, especially for me and Lily. She always says, I don't listen to her. It's because yeah, if she's talking too long, I'm gone.

SPEAKER_05 39:38

So yeah, um, I if Michaela has to say something more than twice, my brain's somewhere else. I'm like, I know what you said, and I don't care for so very often, often I'd say often, often, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

How often do you misplace or have difficulty finding things home or work all the fucking time? Again, that was a huge one for me. All the time. I'm always doing it.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

You know, the other day, he came over this with his bare key to his car, and I was like, Why is your keys different? I have no clue where my keys are down this. Left. Left with his actual keys. His bare key was in the back table.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

And I was like, I rained the next day. I was like, Do you like what happened? No, you you called me on the way. I was I was already gone, and I didn't even realize yeah. I'm still trying to do maths in my head. How does that work?

SPEAKER_02 40:29

Yeah, but it wasn't here because you couldn't have left here without it the first time. So I I'm both on you.

SPEAKER_05 40:35

Yeah, I remember leaving home and going, I can't find my keys. So I grabbed my spare key, jump in the car, I come over here. I leave that enough for me.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

Yeah, you got ADHD.

SPEAKER_05 40:44

I leave my spare key on his back table, but I'm gone with my physical keys.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

I remember I was like, what happened?

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Yeah, that was that was weird. So very often we're going with that. Yeah, I would say very often. Uh, how often are you distracted by activity or noise around you?

SPEAKER_05 40:59

Often, if there's too much noise, like it overstimulates me and I'd have to tell people to shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:04

And it's happened on episodes before.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

It has. It has. Again, that was a big one for me. Um, like I'll be halfway through a sentence and I might see or hear something, then I'll be like, oh look, blah blah blah blah. And then I'll be like, what was I talking about? Yeah, literally, I'll be like, oh, look a squirrel. And then like go back to the conversation. Like, wait, what were we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 41:24

The dog points at the squirrel. Yeah. It's from up. Yeah. Yeah. Squirrel. Doug.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Good record.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

Doug's dog.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

How often do you leave your seat in meetings or other situations in which you're expected to remain seated? Really? Yeah, that's a weird one. How often do you feel restless and fidgety? It's kind of similar to the one before.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

Uh restless and fidgety. I mean restless I feel like it's bigger because I have a shit bed shit mattress. I don't feel like I'm rested.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Yeah. Again, that was like a low one for me. I'm don't I'm not that on that side of the spectrum or whatever you want to call it. So what rarely? Rarely, yeah. How often do you have difficulty unwinding and relaxing when you have time to yourself? Kind of already spoke about that.

SPEAKER_03 42:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:18

So you would say you have difficulty unwinding and relaxing? Yeah. You gotta keep busy, you gotta keep doing things.

SPEAKER_05 42:23

Unless it's like if it's during the day, I can't. If it's at night time and I've got nothing to do, I'm like, hell yeah, this is fire. I get to chill out. But if it's if it's if it's during the day. So like often? I would say often, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

Yeah. How often do you find yourself talking too much when you're in social situations? Very often. Really?

SPEAKER_06 42:45

Really? Really, John Paul.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

Really, maybe.

SPEAKER_06 42:48

Is there anyone a question about making sound effects? 24-7?

SPEAKER_04 42:52

That's just no. I would just be like JP.

SPEAKER_06 42:57

Like, oh yeah, just move that one, go, new.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

And I'm like, Yeah, but he also can't finish a sentence. He he leaves all the important parts out.

SPEAKER_05 43:07

He goes, Yo, actually, I got contacted by uh uh uh uh Watson Bob and who it doesn't really matter. So I I would say like if it's a topic that I'm genuinely interested in, I'll talk way too much about it. But if it's a topic that I don't really think is the correct answer. So probably often. Yeah. Again, that was a big one for me. Yeah. Maybe we're the same. Maybe I do have any issues.

SPEAKER_02 43:32

When you're in a conversation, how often do you find yourself finishing sentences of people that you're talking with before they can finish it themselves? Really? Again, that was huge for me.

SPEAKER_05 43:39

Really?

SPEAKER_02 43:40

Yeah. Well, do that a lot, and it was very frustrating to me because I was very aware that I do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:45

I was trying to do it.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

It's just like two seconds. It just annoys you because it's a predictable sentence and you're like, just get it done already. Move on.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Like if someone's struggling to think of a word, I will immediately if you take more than a second.

SPEAKER_05 44:00

Like if I'm if if I'm kind of sitting here and going, oh, what's that word? And you go, oh, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh, that's that's the word. But if like there's we've had people on, I won't say names, but we've had people on, and as I'm talking, they'll say the like the word as I'm saying it, and I'm like, shut up.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Uh but you would say rarely? Rarely. Yeah, fine. And how often do you have difficulty waiting your turn in situations when turn when taking when turn taking is required?

SPEAKER_01 44:27

It's I'm rolling in my grave.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

Yeah. Really? Big one for me, like at airports. I'm like at the gate, like I've got to be on before all these motherfuckers. Rarely for me. Really, yeah. It's about that really careful. And how often do you interrupt others when they're busy?

SPEAKER_06 44:45

All the time.

SPEAKER_05 44:49

Uh sometimes. It's not really, but it's not all the time. Yeah. Sometimes it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

Someone's busy. It's hard not to be.

SPEAKER_02 44:59

Low to moderate. The quiz suggests characteristics of low to moderate ADHD. We recommend scheduling a consultation with a healthcare professional specializing in ADHD. In the meantime, explore resource pages.

SPEAKER_05 45:09

See, I was thinking about this because when you mentioned it uh the other day, I don't think like I love the way my brain works because like if I didn't if I didn't have if I didn't have like what is in here, I wouldn't be so dedicated and pushed to do the things that I want to do. Yeah. Like I said to you before, what we want to open and what what we want to do. Like if I was to get medication for ADHD, I feel like I it would just numb me and not have that drive.

SPEAKER_02 45:41

I mean, it doesn't really work like that. Like it's not gonna change the way your brain works. Like I said, it just helps me get all these things. So I'd say I my brain works the same way, but I'm not getting anything done.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

The ADHD would help me focus on these ideas, or the medication would help me focus on the ideas and get things done. I mean, the main catalyst for me to get help was the depression side of things because all these struggles build. I mean, you know, being 35, it's been building my whole life, and I've always been all right, but having just moved to Geraldton where I don't know anybody and I'm starting a new business, like it was all a lot, and trying to navigate that with a brain that don't work properly brings on a lot of like depression. Like the the there's the way I had to explain this to my GP, but and this he had a bad reaction. Most people have a bad reaction to this, but like I have I'm trying to think of what the best way to describe it is like just negative thoughts about myself. I'm not a suicidal person, but I think about those kind of things a lot, and I just have negative uh like stims in my brain. Like, I'll often in my head, my thoughts will just be like, Oh, just kill yourself, you should kill yourself. Not a suicidal guy, it's just something my brain tells me all the time. And this is kind of why I went to a doctor, and he was straight away like, Oh my god, take these uh antidepressants, which I didn't do because I know I'm not I'm glad, I'm glad that you weren't someone that was just like, Oh, okay, cool, no worries. Yeah, no, I did my own research, and because a lot of these pills, it's like you can't just stop taking them once you've taken them, you have to wean off it and all this shit. And I was like, I just don't think I would rather wait till I speak to a psychiatrist because I don't think depression is my problem. I think it's ADHD. And yeah, the psychiatrist and the psychologist both said, Yeah, look, the GP, he has to just do what he has to do because you told you mentioned the suicide word, he has to just be safe and give you the drugs. But they were all like, Yeah, you you don't really need them. Like, I'm not that bad.

SPEAKER_05 47:48

Well, yeah, that's it's a lot of to me. That fucking thank you. That's that's a lot to open up about.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

Yeah, I mean it's good to talk about it because I got no one to talk about it with either.

SPEAKER_05 47:58

So makes me even sadder. Now I just want to give you a hug and kiss.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

No, I mean it's fine, it's a journey, you know. I mean, I'm glad to finally have the answers. You know, it's the last two odd years has just been what's fucking yeah. I mean, I mean it's been my whole life, though. Obviously, I've had these issues, but it's really the last two years with like the depression side of things where I've just not been able to understand, and it literally just like of every meeting with the psychologist made me feel better and better and more just understanding because they'll say things like, yeah, you know, it'll cause you to behave this way. And I'm like, Yeah, I do that all the time. Um, so yeah, I mean, if anyone feels the same way and feels like they're having struggles with like this, go through the steps, go through the process. Um, it's it's definitely feels like it's life-changing for me.

SPEAKER_05 48:45

Yeah. Well, I'm going to from now on, like, I'm gonna start calling and texting and messaging you more about content because like if there's ideas that you want to do, I'm all for doing different types of content and like trying, and that way it helps like both of us and it, you know. Yeah, man. So that would be sick to because the one thing that I've I struggle with is like I can't talk to JP about content because he doesn't really like give a fuck. No, he does, but it's like he's not really like invested into like how it all works. He's like, Oh yeah, that's cool, that's funny, and that's like pretty much it. We and that's fine, but I want to go into the finer details of like what makes people follow your account, what what makes people like your content, all that type of stuff. Um so yeah, no, that was that was cool. That was a good episode. It's a lot of things that I didn't realise about ADHD and Yeah, and like the whole process and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

Yeah, I think it's been an interesting journey for sure.

SPEAKER_05 49:38

Well, if you guys have ever had ADHD, or if you have ADHD, or if you've been cured, uh let us know how you got cured. Um, and I hope you guys like this episode and you learned about it, or if you do have ADHD, um uh send us a message about how either you got diagnosed or how you figured out, or like some of your symptoms, it would be cool to talk about um on a future episode. Um and yeah, well that's gonna be the end of the episode. Uh all the links to all of our social medias will be down below. Jump over to what's your Instagram?

SPEAKER_01 50:14

JP Intersect. And to me.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

To me to you. Hell yeah. If you want to see any personal stuff, um, go over to Zogni. That's Z-O-G-K-N-E underscore. And you'll see the personal stuff that I like to do. Anyway, thank you guys for watching.

SPEAKER_01 50:29

Um, we'll see you next week. Well, before we leave, uh just a quick thank you to everyone. We didn't swear a single word in this episode. No peace. Bye.

SPEAKER_06 50:35

Actually, no, staff said the C word twice. Four.

SPEAKER_05 50:41

There we go. All right, bye. Bye.