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Interior Design Trends to Leave Behind in 2024

• Bree Banfield and Lauren Li • Season 1 • Episode 8

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Ever wondered how a simple color can encapsulate the mood of an entire era? Join us as we unpack Pantone's 2025 Color of the Year, "Mocha Moose," a warm neutral brown that speaks volumes about the world's yearning for comfort and security amidst economic unpredictability. This nostalgic shade echoes early 2000s design trends, highlighting how past styles are reshaping modern interiors. 

Navigate the often overwhelming world of interior design trends with us, as we advocate for personal style and individuality over conformity. Trends can serve as a source of inspiration, but they shouldn't dictate your personal tastes. With a nod to the iconic "Devil Wears Prada" speech, we discuss the trend bell curve—revealing how cultural influences trickle down from innovators to the mainstream. Our insights aim to inspire listeners to break free from repetitive design clichés, urging them to add character and depth to their spaces through diverse materials and thoughtful design choices.

From critiquing the uninspired aesthetics of reality TV's "The Block" to debating the merits of glossy white vs. black kitchens, our episode traverses the evolving landscape of modern interior design. We challenge the dominance of monotonous styles and share our enthusiasm for trends like "color drenching" and diverse coastal designs. 

As we wrap up, we share exciting plans for our future Design Anatomy Design Tour in Milan and Paris ( our 2025 Design Tour has sold out already), inviting listeners to join our creative journey. 

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Interior Design Trends and Color Forecast

Speaker 1

Welcome to Design Anatomy, the interior design podcast hosted by friends and fellow designers. Me, auren Lee.

Speaker 2

And me, Bree Banfield, with some amazing guest appearances along the way.

Speaker 1

We're here to break down everything from current trends to timeless style.

Speaker 2

With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled and lived-in spaces, we're excited to share our insights and inspiration with you. Lived in spaces.

Speaker 1

We're excited to share our insights and inspiration with you. So, good Bree. Before we get started, I just wanted to remind you guys that the Style Studies Essentials course is closing soon. So if you wanted to make your home the best it could be, or maybe even gift it to that person, that's really hard to buy for.

Speaker 2

What a good idea.

Speaker 1

The gift of style, the gift of style.

Speaker 2

I love it.

Speaker 1

That's open and you can also jump into the Design Society if you want to learn about running your own interior design business. At the moment, we're all talking about procurement, which is, you know, purchasing on behalf of clients, and we're running a short training about that, just like the real good info link in the show notes. For all of that, too, what about you? What's going on, brie?

Speaker 2

uh, yeah, jump in and subscribe. I mean, we're going to be talking about trends today and if you subscribe to my newsletter you can get a little more about trends regularly from me, um, and also just info on some short courses we'll be running next year and our design it packages, which are a curated collection of benetton decor so that you can create a look designed by me in your home on your own.

Speaker 1

Well, with some support with you as support, with giving your gorgeous style, which is just yeah, I mean, I guess that's the beauty of it you could have that one-on-one and we were just talking for about an hour before we started recording.

Speaker 1

You know about our clients and you know it is a lot of work that one-on-one with clients. But you know buying a collection that you have already pre-selected. You know you're getting to work with three and you get you're doing the hands-on, pulling it together yourself, but you've got that style as a guide. Is that right, bree?

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's exactly it. And we also offer like little 30-minute consults with me even before you purchase the collection, in case you're not sure which one to go with, or afterwards, if you just have some specific questions about your space and how something would work. So the support's there too so cool.

Speaker 1

So today we are talking about all of the trend that we've seen in 2024, what we think is going to be moving on, and today we saw the Pantone colour release, so perhaps by the time you're listening to, this you've seen it, so we thought we would touch on that first. What did you think about it, brie? Yeah, I wasn't super surprised.

Speaker 2

I thought it might've been something along the lines of, in that, I guess, brown family. It's a pretty nice color, but it's not. I wouldn't say it's an exciting color. I think it's a comforting color, which is why it's not surprising that that's the way they've gone. We would have seen this happen probably in the early 2000s, when there was maybe a similar global mood. There's a lot of uncertainty in the world at the moment. You know there's a bit of an economic downturn in a lot of countries. We're all worried about so many different things.

Speaker 2

So comforting colours tend to be where we drift towards, and we did see a rise in neutrals this year for that same reason as well. So we want warmth and comfort and we want to feel secure and kind of cocooned in our spaces. So browns do that. And the one they've chosen is a pretty neutral brown, like it's not super deep or it's not a heap of red in it. It's quite, I guess, a very usable color, so it would be an easy one to use, like in a bedroom I think I could probably refer back to. Maybe Dulux Guitar is a good brown. That's sort of similar. That might even be still too red compared to the Pantone one which is called Moccamoose, which makes me hungry. Really it does.

Speaker 1

I know some of the visuals have looked quite tasty, but so yeah, it's really interesting when you, you know, you said these kind of cycles happen. Early 2000s I was working at Adairs because I was going through uni and it was all about the chocolate faux fur throws of the couch and that was just the vibe chocolate brown was and there was also like a faux suede chocolate quilt cover. Oh, so disgusting but those things sold so much remember remember the micro macro suede. Yes, that was huge.

Speaker 2

I had a sofa in that macro suede. It was charcoal gray um, which was fun at the time. But around that same time I bought my bed, which I still have, and that's brown um, and I think I painted a bedroom brown at the time too, and it was that quite. I guess it's a bit great, the grayed off sort of brown, the very neutral brown tone which reminds me of this mocha mousse. Yeah, so it's very much an early 2000s kind of moment. I think that we're kind of headed back to and, given that you know, there's all this talk of nostalgia, particularly with fashion going back to like early 2000s fashion. We're seeing young women wearing like what we would have been wearing and like what the hell? Is that already back?

Speaker 2

but yeah I guess this is what. This is what happens with trends. It is quite cyclic um and it's cyclic because humans are we're cyclic beings and things kind of come back around and the world repeats itself. Like what happens in the world, history does repeat itself. It is not just a clichéd saying, it is true.

Speaker 1

Hmm, interesting. Yeah, this mocha mousse colour. It does have, as you said, more of a pinkish undertone. It's not a chocolate espresso kind of colour, it's a little bit clay sort of a little tiny.

Speaker 2

It looks really pink on your screen, but actually on mine it doesn't look that pink. Well, I think this is the thing as well.

Speaker 1

In the Pantone visuals. They do show a range of different kind of colours within that family.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and what's strange is that I sometimes write a column for the design files and back in I think it was August 2019, I wrote a story about brown and I know that when that went live that story, a few people were like, oh my God, gross, no way, not ready for that, not ready. So I was just noticing that I was seeing brown, yeah coming up, and when we're also talking about a colour like brown, we don't mean paint all of your walls that colour.

Speaker 1

It's often those brown tones are shown in even timbers, the tone of a timber, or even in a tone of a wool blanket on a bed or something like that.

Speaker 2

Yeah so you don't always have to think about it as an overall paint color, because sometimes they don't really express themselves so great in a paint color although perhaps it could, particularly those color of the years where it's not coming from a paint company and it's coming from a company that just talks about color in a general way and they're talking about packaging and, um, you know, products, uh, you know fridges and appliances.

Speaker 2

Yeah, graphic design. So it's like when they choose a colour it's got to kind of cover all of those different industries in terms of a direction, I suppose. So it's always better to look at the Dulux colour forecast for your best colour advice for paint.

Speaker 1

You know, to be fair, I love that plug, but I actually do look at your colour forecast that you do for jewel likes just to. Sometimes it's good to see the different neutrals if you're looking for a white, but just to see how colours look in a space. It's so helpful and then I'll order in the swatches, just that's just a really good jumping off point. I find that really interesting. But you know, as you mentioned the Pantone colors, they don't always translate to interiors, but I think to this year. Today we have seen a color that really does reflect what we have been seeing in interiors.

Speaker 2

So it's a win for us and interesting.

Speaker 1

I feel like the color of the year was definitely Brat. It was the Charlie.

Speaker 2

XCX. Yes, that's what it should have been.

Speaker 1

It should have just been like an acid green, right? Yeah, and even that's a y2k sort of vibe, if, if I recall. Do you think that's a yeah, early 2000s color too?

Speaker 2

yeah, I'm true, yeah, absolutely kind of influenced by almost like a I would have said back then kind of the hip-hop, almost like a little 80s revival back in the early 2000s, that sort of Y2K neons, you know, like the neon stuff that came through, yeah, yeah all coming around and around.

Speaker 1

So I guess that brings us to the topic of what are we going to be seeing less of next year, what are we going to be saying goodbye to for 2024? So yeah, as I said, brie and I we had a bit of a chat before this to kind of talk about what we think. What do you want to start with, brie?

Navigating Interior Design Trends With Insight

Speaker 2

Well, I think we do need to start with our disclaimer that we discussed, because we'll have people come at us obviously when we start to say this is out and done, and it's always very can be quite inflammatory to discuss trends and what's in trend and not, you know, what's out of vogue. Um, this is our general opinion, but I think we both stand by that. If you love something, you you use it, you keep it, you don't just like throw it out because we said it's out. Um, and I'm always. I guess the way I tell people to use trends is more for inspiration. So if they're looking for inspiration and change, then they should look to trends and look at what people are saying about what's happening, just to kind of get that inspiration, but not to blindly follow them. I think you know still need to follow your own style and taste and what you love, and who cares if it's not on trend? That's my take on it, the disclaimer.

Speaker 1

I agree the disclaimer. So we love you if you lean into what you love. So just you know, take what we're saying with a grain of salt. But if you love interiors, like Bree and I do, take what we're saying with a grain of salt. But if you love interiors, like Bree and I do, and you enjoy seeing what's coming out, what's new, how things evolve and change, then listen in, because we have opinions. Oh, so exactly.

Speaker 1

And I mean you know we've talked about this before about how we interpret trends. And you know I've got this sort of chart that I've looked at. It's like the trend bell curve and it shows, you know, who are those innovators, who are those early adapters, when does it become mainstream at the top of that bell, and then when do you get the late adapters, adopters, adopters, adapters I don't know, am I talking about PowerPoints? And then it's got the laggards. You know the people right at the bottom of that bell curve that you know everybody's seen it, everyone feels safe seeing it, and then they're like, oh, I am really used to seeing that now, now, I'm going to jump on. So sometimes it really depends where you are in that whole cycle of the trend. You might sort of think, you know what I don't even look at trends.

Speaker 1

I don't care about trends, but maybe you're a laggard Just saying.

Speaker 2

And I feel like you know, what we're probably going to talk about mostly today is the stuff that is definitely at the tapered end and it's when you start. For me, it's like as soon as you start to see that in you know, kmart or one of the sort of, I guess, discount type places to purchase things, that's when you can kind of you know it's kind of hit that point because it's got to start somewhere and then filter through. It's literally the Devil Wears Prada speech. If we wanted to do that right.

Speaker 1

Classic classic.

Speaker 2

Cerulean. Cerulean.

Speaker 1

Yes. Which I love yeah it's just I always think about that, yeah, and I think that you know there are some people you know in australian interior design that I can think of that don't follow trends. They sort of set the trends.

Speaker 2

Yes, um, if I'm just thinking of my head they're still part of it, and why do? They go to milan brie for the gelato inspiration? Oh well, why not? That's what I go for.

Speaker 1

I mean totally um, but you know, there's like fiona lynch doing things that I'm like wow, I've never seen that done. I think david flack definitely has his own lane and his own aesthetic. Um, hecker guthrie, very identifiable aesthetic, and I feel like that that term timeless is so overused, but I really feel like they know who they are as designers and they they stick to that, but it always still seems fresh, um.

Speaker 1

YSG yeah, totally yeah, yeah and I think the reason why they feel, um, not like they're following a trend is because there is such a innovation in their design and, you know, you might not love all of that. And sometimes you know for instance, you know the YSG house that you're probably familiar with Zoe Foster Blake and Tamish Blake's home it's just pattern and color overload. It's not for everyone, but it's original, it's innovative, it's exciting. It's not for everyone, but it's original, it's innovative, it's exciting.

Speaker 2

It's fun to talk about. Yeah, machine-wound days yeah.

Speaker 1

It is, and I feel like you know they're sort of setting a trend in terms of not everyone's going to have, you know, a mosaic patterned floor, a stripy stone benchtop patterned floor a stripy stone benchtop, but they might take a strike and they'll grab on that part and take out, and a new trend could almost come out of that.

Speaker 2

Um so, anyway, it's really interesting yeah, I mean we could talk, I could talk about that for ages, the whole. We're not a part of, or we don't follow, trends, which is which is fine and and that's exactly what we're talking about. They don't necessarily follow it. However, they're definitely part of the cycle. You can't escape it. We're all part of, I guess, what creates a trend? Because we're influenced by what's going on around us. So when a lot of us are experiencing the same thing, that's when a trend emerges. We're all experiencing uncertainty hello browns and neutrals and tactility and warmth. So it can be.

Speaker 2

I mean, I'm obviously breaking it down very simplistically and it's a lot more complicated than that, but that's basically what happens. And the same thing happens at the top end of design. You know there could be designers in Melbourne, london and Los Angeles all seeing and experiencing similar inspirations and influences, and then you start to see them producing things that are similar, but it's not because they all saw each other's work and went I'm going to copy that or I'm going to follow that. It's just because that's what was created and distilled through their creative lens and they happen to, you know, and it might only be like three projects. And then you pick up on something and go oh, look at that, there's a similarity there. Why are they all doing that when they don't know each other? They're in different countries. It's just we are heavily influenced by what is around us. So, anyway, that's my little take on that.

Speaker 1

I agree and I think that you know trends. You could think about it as a frivolous thing, that doesn't mean anything. But I think about millennial pink and when that was predicted I think it was predicted by Pantone I couldn't tell you which year it was. If you slapped millennial pink on a coffee mug, it would fly off shelves simply because of that color it was. So there is so much power in that and what?

Speaker 1

was the um the Pantone colors. It was like Pantone um went from pink to blue um it merged two colors together oh, yeah, they had two colors.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, 2015 and do you know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of taylor, swift's lover album. Is that the album.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so it's almost like an ombre-ish situation, right exactly.

Speaker 1

It comes through all different ways, even touching music and the things we buy unconsciously. So I think you know. You know, back to the Devil Wears Prada Miranda Priestly. I think she said it better than anyone. I won't quote it word for word, but basically it was when he said what's her name? The girl working as an intern wears a blue sweater and she doesn't care about that kind of fashion stuff. Andy, that's the one. And then Miranda, you know, based on Vogue's Anna Wintour, says oh, you think that that fashion stuff doesn't affect you? Well, that sweater was shown on the runway by Christian Dior in this year and it filtered down. Now you dragged it out of some bargain basement bin. So, even though she didn't know, she was influenced by that colour chosen by those very people in the room.

Speaker 2

It's a great scene. So.

Speaker 1

I think that-.

Speaker 2

As long as there's capitalism as well what's going to happen.

Speaker 1

People are buying stuff. Yes, people are going to buy things. And people are going to buy things, but they also. If you're going to renovate your home and you're going to going to spend three hundred thousand dollars, then wouldn't you want to really think about your choices? It's not just a frivolous buy that you're just going to, you know, make on a decision on a whim. So all of these things are really important and they, they do matter and they do influence the way we feel in a space.

Speaker 1

Anyway, I'm probably talking to the converted here anyway everyone that's listening probably hopefully but if you have a different point of view, I would love to know, like, please, like, give us, give us your thoughts on that, because I'm always thinking about this thing yeah so really open to hear what you guys think yeah, it can be quite heated discussion.

Speaker 2

I think sometimes people do get passionate about about trends yeah, I get it and what they mean.

Speaker 1

It does've been sold stuff.

Speaker 2

I feel like that's a whole. We could almost just have like a whole. Well, maybe we'll do that. We'll do a whole trend thing. We'll bring another trend forecaster in and have a chat about trends and the why of trends, et cetera. That'll be fun. That would be fun.

Speaker 1

So what do you think we're seeing? Yes, let's talk about autumn.

Speaker 2

What have we seen right? What did we see this year? And we've written some things down, but I'm sure we'll think of others along the way. I think a really big one that's probably like I emerged a few years back now is biophilic design, so design influenced by nature, or even just as basic as houses full of plants. I definitely think that's tapered off. In terms of that plant, uh, I don't know the look of it being like a jungle in the in the room, which I actually like. I love my plants. I've got one next to me. It looks like it's dying. Actually, I don't love them enough.

Speaker 1

Let's say that's a great example.

Speaker 2

I should read the school of planning they do do like plants in a space, but I think what's changing is maybe a bit less and maybe they're a little more curated and it's like the focal point of a room. What do you think?

Evolving Interior Design Trends and Aesthetics

Speaker 1

I agree. I think instead of having lots of little pots with lots of plants everywhere, go for a statement tree or a statement plant something with beautiful big leaves um it's just more impactful. I think it just looks cleaner in a space and I think that I won't say no to any plants. I think plants add that organic shape in a room that can really break up all the straight lines of architecture, so they really do give some relief to the eye.

Speaker 2

Yes, yes, I agree.

Speaker 1

But yeah, I think, a statement plant.

Speaker 2

Yeah, maybe not as a whole, the whole, I guess, character of a room, maybe pulling that back a little bit and letting other things, because I still think biophilic design is an influence, but I think it's maybe filtered across into more organic materials and influence of nature and not just hey, here's a heap of plants in a room.

Speaker 1

Okay, so what do we think about organic shapes?

Speaker 2

So I really love the fact that we've had all these beautiful curbs in furniture and, you know, curved walls and adding, I guess, a softness to things, and we sort of saw that come through, almost like a bit of a feminine influence. But I do think now it can't just be about that Like we need some relief from it, don't we? We need some contrast. What do you think?

Speaker 1

Well, I agree, and I've seen some beautiful sculptural sofas that are in these kind of curved shapes. However, have you sat in them?

Speaker 2

No, I haven't actually. What are you? Saying they're just too, like not squishy enough.

Speaker 1

Well, it depends what you need, doesn doesn't it? Are we talking about your sofa where all the kids, just you know, want? To watch netflix and play video games for hours and whatever. Or is this a sofa in your good room that?

Speaker 1

is mostly for visual to look at, and when you've got guest entertainment you know you don't actually want to sink right into a sofa. You do want to sit a little bit upright. But they're just not all created equally. I think there's some that are sublime. I know that Zuby sorry Gooby Gooby do some really beautiful ones.

Speaker 1

I don't know that brand, but then you do see some kind of other ones that you can just see are probably aren't the same quality and that they don't have the same more refined, elegant shape. They're a bit more on the blobby side and almost that kind of leads into what we see a lot of these upholstered in which is a boucle right.

Speaker 2

In the old cream color which I'm so done with. I love a boucle and it's exactly what you said before about the sofas Not all of them are equal, right, there's some really beautiful boucles that I guess, have a little bit of depth, have a really great feel. But now, because cream boucle was such a huge trend, there's really cheap stuff out there that just leaves me feeling, you know, there's really cheap stuff out there that just leaves me feeling, you know, um, but I do like, I think, because I love that texture, I think the way to go is just to not do cream and to look at, you know, a little bit more color in a boucle or even, like you know, flex in it, like there's those beautiful like redact fabrics. I mean we're talking a bit high-end there but they have, you know, the flex through them and the texture or their kind of tonal differences. So I think it's just making it a little more sophisticated than the basic cream boucle. I think we've got to move on from that.

Speaker 1

Exactly, and I've got a sample it's a beautiful Pierre Frey boucle and it is made up of wool, mohair, alpaca, cotton, so it's absolutely beautiful. I think the thing with boucles is when they're too, the bubbles are kind of too consistent. It doesn't give you that real, that yummy depth that you get with these ones. Mind you, this is probably $600 a meter, but you know, we can hope right. Well, we like the good stuff.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think the key is and maybe with a lot of this stuff, even organic and biophilic and a boucle, the connection is that what we want to see now is a little more imperfection. We don't want things to be, um, you know, really perfect, which is kind what. When I think about cream boucle now, I think of like an over-styled sort of stuffy room that's a bit too formal. You know what I mean with that sort of like. Well, no one sit on that sofa, and that's what I think when we think about organic shapes and that that curved cream boucle sofa feels like no one's allowed to sit on it.

Speaker 1

Well, I mean, you know that I've got a white boucle armchair and it does get sat on and it is no longer white, of course. But you know, I'm just like. You know we live here, this is it, and I suppose I'm not like everybody maybe listening. If you're not working in interiors, you probably don't think like that, but for me I'm like make it as dirty as you like, I can't wait to reupholster it.

Speaker 2

I get to reupholster it. I mean, I could clean it.

Speaker 1

That is also an option, but I think I'll just reupholster it instead.

Speaker 2

The little Bizzle cleaner out? I've got one of those. They're handy.

Speaker 1

Oh, you can come over and go for your life if you like.

Speaker 2

I'll bring it over, I'll give it to the kids to do. They'll love it.

Speaker 1

Oh, thank you, love that I shouldn't do a TikTok. I'm sure that would go well.

Speaker 2

I think formality is out and imperfection is in. That's a good way to put it.

Speaker 1

I reckon that sounds like it makes sense. I mean, we have just been bombarded with AI that I actually am feeling a little bit fatigued by it and I'm actually quite overly sensitive to seeing a lot of AI. And don't get me wrong, I'm such a fan of AI I even have a course on how to do it for interior designers Create your own visuals Use chat, gpt.

Speaker 1

I'm a huge fan of it, but when I just see great big slubs of text being used, passed off as someone else's, or all of these really tacky kind of like AI images, it's just turning me off a bit. So seeing something that looks real and feels authentic and lived in. It just feels more my vibe.

Speaker 2

Yeah, totally yeah. It's almost like that move towards lo-fi rather than everything being kind of perfect and honed and digital, Like we kind of want a little more grittiness and grunge in our lives maybe, well, that's right. Realness is the right word. I think Realness yeah.

Speaker 1

The mocha mousse might even speak to that. It's a bit of an anti-AI color in a way. Yeah, yeah, because it is very natural, yes, natural earthy you know what else is a little bit overdone, and I'm afraid that I don't want to offend anyone because I still do love an arch, but I think we just need to just just be selective of where we're putting arches.

Speaker 2

So 100, as I said don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1

Arches are absolutely beautiful and timeless in terms of you know I'm thinking of the roman empire and all of this. You know, amazing, beautiful, timeless type of architecture and structure and there is always going to be a place for arches, but I feel like we have reached peak arch and I don't know if we need yeah, it's a peak, it's a pointy arch, no same.

Speaker 1

Maybe that's what it needs to be now a like a more of a um cathedral it's a mountain, it's more like it's sort of an arch um, no, I agree, I do really love an arch.

Speaker 2

I love it in furniture. I like it done well in interiors in terms of like structure. But I do think now we're getting the whole. Let's just put an arch here, because arches are in and that's when it sort of goes well. No, they need to make sense why they're there and it needs to still be beautiful Just because it has an arch doesn't make it cool.

Speaker 1

Yes, I think that I mean even arches in architecture, you know, sort of like create a nice portal from going from, say, for instance, a Victorian, you know original terrace into a new extension. I think that's a beautiful way to transition, but I think it's when we're seeing arches as a motif, used for mirrors, used for decor, items used as a motif, I think that's overdone.

Speaker 2

Yeah, the thing that often you see in the same genre as arches is the squiggle or the wave motif right, which also I love, because for me kind of harks back to like Memphis and 80s which is kind of my vibe.

Speaker 1

But I feel like we're on the verge of that now being in the same category as the arch right, the squiggle detail on things exactly, and I think that the thing with trends is that I love seeing new things and then when I've seen it, and it's great, and I think it's fun to you know use in our spaces, but then we start to get really fatigued by it and I think the wave and squiggle.

Speaker 1

we are feeling so fatigued because we've seen it too many times. It's not that we don't like it anymore, it's just that we've seen it too many times and we're just like it's not exciting anymore.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I'm like that with music sometimes, like if I go back and look at my favorite albums, um, and everyone's favorite is, like you know, pearl Jam, better man, I'm like there's just better songs on the album and that everyone just loves that because that was the single and it got played all the time. Everyone knows the words and I don't not like it, but I got really sick of it.

Speaker 2

Yeah, so it's not my favorite song, because those other songs that I just much I don't know. I preferred that weren't the singles. I get like that. I'm often. With the singles I'm like, yeah, that one's all right.

Speaker 1

But yeah, yeah, you're a b-side, that's probably going against it.

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Speaker 2

Yes, that sort of probably goes against popular opinion with most things that that would almost drive me to not like the song because it was the one that just and I guess it's probably a bit less now because back then it was radio is where you heard everything. Now you sort of choose your streaming, but it would have been a fatigue of it, like just hearing it too much, like I'm over this now, don't want to hear it and you know what it was.

Speaker 1

I think it was our generation as well. Like in the 90s, it was uncool to be popular. As soon as nirvana were popular, they hated themselves because that were popular, whereas now that's not even a thing. If someone's popular, everyone's like oh that's great. I love it. You want to. You know you want to have sell out concerts and stuff great, whereas you know, hell jam, they totally rebelled against that as well.

Speaker 2

They were like these tickets yeah, it was the grand jira cheaper, yes, yes, so it a different we have that in the back of our mind.

Speaker 1

So we kind of want to rebel against everything that's really popular. The rebellious generation. I know, I know it was too cool, it was just really bad and the mainstream was bad.

Speaker 2

Anyway, I feel like, talking about fatigue, I'm going to. I'll come back to the point we've got next. But I'm going to. I'll come back to the point we've got next, but I'm going to jump straight because it's just a good little segue about fatigue. Venetian plaster, oak floorboards and steel frame doors or windows and super white or Calcutta or some sort of gray marble, please stop. All those things can exist separately or whatever, but that, that formularic kind of interior, did I make that word up? Formularic is a word, isn't it it so?

Speaker 1

is.

Speaker 2

It sort of just repeats it, and we've seen it now so much that it could be the most high-end house. But when that's done it's like meh give me something else.

Speaker 1

I agree it is a formula. I think that's where I drop off when I see a formula and it's so tasteful that it's a little bit too safe for me. But if that's what you love, and I mean it's lovely, it's nice. Is it exciting? Oh yeah, it's not awful.

Speaker 2

I just it's that fatigue of seeing it over and over again. I think that I just want to move on.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and I think we are moving away from it. I think there are some architects that really hold on to it and they almost have that bag of samples that they pull out. You get that. You get that.

Speaker 2

Definitely I won't name names, but absolutely there are some particular architects or designers who definitely have that look. And I wouldn't even go as far to say that it's quite a Melbourne look as well.

Speaker 1

I agree. I find it can be quite unimaginative.

Speaker 2

Yep.

Speaker 1

It can be. Is it uncreative a word? The opposite?

Speaker 2

And maybe this is kind of where trends go wrong, because I think sometimes it's perpetrated by the client, because such and such up the road had oak floorboards and steel frames and they want to have that. So there's kind of this market, I think, where there are, in a particular kind of level, where the clients are actually not doing it because they love it necessarily. They're doing it because other people have done it. So then that's kind of where it can be like a negative thing, you know, like keeping up with the people in the street or almost the thing that we've talked about before, of like, oh well, if we sell this, we need it to look like those other houses that sold for that price, kind of thing.

Speaker 1

You know. So it kind of becomes a bit of a negative, and maybe that's how it happened. I have a feeling that people that are renovating or building and they've got the oak floors, the super white marble, the black steel frame, they think that they're not following trends and that what they're wanting is something timeless. Ah the time.

Speaker 2

Yes, see, now there's a line between timeless and boring, and that look is also. I find it boring now not everyone does but that look is not timeless anymore because it's now been done so much within this particular moment in time that that will mark this moment in time. It's, like you know, it'll be the last two years, or even five, let's say the last two years. I reckon it really probably peaked last year, but that is now no longer timeless to me because it's going to start to look dated as we move on.

Speaker 1

I think I think what you need and I think it's a beautiful base. I think it's a beautiful base, but I think if you're putting your white boucle sofa on there, it's too much. You need to put a coloured sofa on there and those archways. Go for like a beautiful blue, light blue sofa and a burgundy accent or something just you know you can layer over it.

Speaker 2

You need to cut through.

Speaker 1

Yes, yes, burgundy accent or something. Just you need to layer over it through. Yes, yes, and maybe instead of super white stone, choose a stone that's a little bit more characterful um, but yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2

I mean, there's so many amazing stones out there. I think that's why I would always get so frustrated when I would see that same look all the time. You know if you've ever been in to a showroom or a stonemason or to just wander through the aisles of stone. There's so much beauty in that stuff that, like, why is everyone choosing that? Like it was sort of driving me a little bit crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2

And having said that, if anyone wants to give me a house that has oak floorboards and super white and steel frame doors and arches, I wouldn't say no either.

Speaker 1

But you would make it look fabulous and I do think that, to be fair, it is a very easy space to decorate onto because it is a neutral palette.

Speaker 2

It is very neutral, yeah, that's so true, and it's classy, it's not tacky. No, no, yeah, but I do think it has been just done to death.

Speaker 1

I agree, Bree and I are going to do another episode about what we're predicting. So if you're sort of listening going yeah, yeah, well, what do you think then we're just going to have to tune in for the next. Yeah, yeah, we'll come back to that, yeah because we have you know, we have ideas on what we are predicting for 2025 as well, so stay with it All right.

Speaker 1

And I suppose you know the Venetian plaster, oak steel frame, super white marble is beautiful, but it can lean a little too much into the vanilla look. So what we mean is that when everything is just really watered down, really Not too safe, too safe, there's no depth, there's, there's actually nothing that even tells you. Yeah, yeah, like who the person?

Contemporary Interior Design Trends

Speaker 2

is and who's living there. Right, it's display home kind of vibes, which I've seen some beautiful display homes, by the way, don't get me wrong. Um, but I would say, and we were looking at uh, I'll bring up the controversial the block, which I don't watch anymore. I did used to watch a long time ago and I found it more interesting. Then I was looking at some of the spaces and vanilla is probably the best way to put it.

Speaker 2

I think it was some of the worst stuff that I've seen from a block year, just because it was just so nothing, but also very kind of honestly, vanilla is literally the best word. There's no kind of contrast or um or direction. I'm talking mostly about the living spaces. I didn't delve into all the other rooms, but even the kitchens were saying like, looking at the kitchens are all pretty stock standard I don't know I mean, I don't know what I'm expecting of the block either, but well, I think the thing I'm just trying to give an example, more than anything the thing is with the block is that we have clients that come to us saying I saw this on the block.

Speaker 1

So the thing is it's a lot of people watch it. So it is a valid topic to bring up and, to be fair, I haven't watched the block for a while. I mean, I kind of remember the Kyle and Cara era, josh and Jenna era it was fun to watch.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I thought they were more interesting years. I don't know what it was about it, and I do think that maybe there were, I think maybe there were boundaries pushed on some of those years and that wasn't always right. And as designers, we'll always complain about the fact that everything looks very unrealistic and people think you know that a bathroom can be done in two days or something. But back then I think they would. I mean, they obviously wanted to win and make the money, but I feel like it was also about trying to make a bit more of a statement with what they were doing. And now maybe it's all just become way too safe because it's just about winning the, you know, getting the most money. And I think this year my son was telling me that actually one guy bought every single house in the end, oh my god. So he basically got to choose who won, in a way, by which one he paid the most for so I'm like, well, it's interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 1

yeah, a little bit well I'm just having a look here, yeah, and there's um courtney and grant. They have done a really nice kitchen. I'll give them props for that, um, but there's some of the other ones it's actually more.

Speaker 2

Is that the light timber?

Speaker 1

one. It's actually more of a walnut timber. And then they've got this really characterful stone that they've used. I'm not sure it doesn't tell me what it is. It's got a terracotta tile on there.

Speaker 2

It's a really beautiful play on texture, I don't think I saw that one.

Speaker 1

The styling's done quite well.

Speaker 2

I don't know others on there that look 10 years old and that's yeah. That's why I thought interesting, just the furniture and things too. I was just a bit surprised. I just went oh god, these are worse than I expected in terms of the styling and I I get they have limitations and all of that stuff um, and they're not professional designers. But I think if you're looking for an example of what we're talking about as a very vanilla interior, just literally, the living rooms in those spaces were just just sort of very uninspiring and yeah, it could be anywhere like bad, I feel, like bad display home vibes well, I think, because it was based in philip island, they've gone coastal, which just means white wash, blonde timbers, but there's not that depth there and it's weird how, because coastal can be done well, right, absolutely.

Speaker 2

I just don't think it was.

Speaker 1

Exactly Like how we've interpreted coastal for some reason is just there is so much to enjoy about being on the coast and the beach. I even wrote a whole book about it. Oh, you did too, and you can buy that on her website.

Speaker 2

Go and have a look.

Speaker 1

Yes, I'll sign a copy for you. Pop it under your Christmas tree. Thanks for that little one.

Speaker 2

Oh, it's a perfect Christmas gift.

Speaker 1

But I think this is the thing you know. When I started diving into it, I'm like what does a beach in Denmark look like? What does a beach in the west coast of France look like?

Speaker 1

compared to the south coast of France, like there's so much, but why have we somehow just got this really bland vanilla, as you say concept of what the beach and what coastal looks like, you know? So, yeah, with the book I try to draw on different aspects of the beach, you know. Are we talking about texture? Are we talking about wintertime? Are we talking about activities?

Speaker 1

on the beach um you know we're talking about texture. Are we talking about winter time? Are we talking about activities on the beach and the lively sort of? You know there's so much but yet we've got. We're really um underselling how great the beach is in in my mind with this kind of coastal that is definitely not what I get from those interiors.

Speaker 2

Yeah, no, um, the other thing we have on our list is and I feel like this look has been around for a while and that's color drenching. But I think drenching is the new way that people started to talk about it this year. So for me, probably before that and I don't think I've actually ever used that term myself um would be more about like an immersive interior. So I sort of see that as um well know, even color blocking, so it sort of all means the same thing. Right, they've just come up with a new term for it we're going to drench it in color.

Speaker 1

It was very grabby. When I first heard that. I was like, ooh, color drenching, oh, I've never heard that before. It was very cool. I don't know. I'm still all for color drenching. I don't want to see white trims, I want to see color, the same color, running on walls, doors, trims, ceiling, skirtings, like everywhere. Joinery, I just think that is just so immersive. I think that's a perfect word. So I'm still predicting that we are not done with color drenching yet.

Speaker 2

I think that we're definitely still going to see lots of immersive colour, I will call it, but I do think there is a little bit of a move towards a slightly and I guess to me that's also like a tonal version of that. So, you know, we're talking about ceiling, walls, trims, joinery. It might be green, but slightly different tones of green, for instance, instance, and that could still be considered to be an immersive space. Um, I think what we're starting to see move towards is, uh, just slightly more sophisticated palettes that bring in a little bit of color, like contrast and and not as, not as tonal, but 100 on the whole. You know, let's, let's stop doing, uh, white trims with a colored wall. I'm sitting in my room it doing white trims with a coloured wall. I'm sitting in my room that has white trims with a coloured wall, but I'm renting it.

Speaker 2

I don't want to paint the trims. It's a lot of work to paint those back.

Speaker 1

Do not paint, that, don't do it there's limitations and I mean this is why we are saying we're just having a bit of fun talking about this. It doesn't saying that we're a little bit fatigued with seeing super white stone. I think any natural stone is absolutely beautiful. Don't change it, for goodness sake. Like you know, you can style up your kitchen to bring it a bit more colour or whatever in there, but again, you know what we're saying. We're just having a bit of fun, so don't come at us.

Speaker 2

There'll be people that love the look.

Speaker 1

And having a bit of fun. So don't come at us. Yeah, there'll be people that love the look and I, I don't. I don't begrudge them at all. Yeah, well, another style that I have seen a lot in the past few years is farmhouse, a modern farmhouse style, and I'm wondering if we are seeing a bit of fatigue with that look and again, I mean it is a beautiful, especially when it's so stylized, right when it's too stylized.

Speaker 1

I think that's what we're kind of coming is a beautiful natural, especially when it's so stylized, right, when it's too stylized. I think that's what we're kind of coming up against, right Brie Everything when it feels too uptight and not lived in. That is where I'm like well, why? What's the point? Like it needs to be lived in.

Speaker 1

But you know, I think there's designers that do it beautifully. You know, amber Lewis comes to mind, comes to mind. I would have to say I love the way she does it the most. Studio McGee sometimes for me.

Speaker 2

I feel like Studio McGee might be the culprits of why there was such a huge rise in that farmhouse look right, and that American kind of influence because they became such a huge hit and then they had the Netflix show. So I do think that that influenced the whole farmhouse thing and it's probably definitely influenced why we're a bit fatigued by it too, I think.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and I'm kind of curious to know what Amber Lewis is going to do next, how that style is going to evolve. I also love Jake Arnold the way he does farmhouse.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Yeah, he sort of does a little bit with a twist, like he did Chrissy Teigen's and John Legend's house, which I love, that's right yeah, I do love that too.

Speaker 2

I mean, there's some insane moments in that house that I go oh little, of course they're like they are superstars, so why not?

Speaker 1

I'd have insane lean in exactly but so, but I think again it comes down to there's a formula. I think once that there's a formula with farmhouse. You know, again, it's a pretty blonde timber oak, it's a vintage sort of Persian style rug, it is a linen sofa, it is a maybe even an antique. And it's those kitchens too, right, yeah.

Speaker 2

The style of the range hood. Maybe, it's kind of the shaker style doors which I actually really love. I love shaker style.

Speaker 1

I love it, but I think it's.

Speaker 2

I think it's exactly what you're saying, though it's breaking that up and making it like, evolving it into something that has a farmhouse influence, but that you wouldn't go. Oh, that's specifically farmhouse style, because it's tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, a hundred percent. Break it right. We want to bring a little bit of something that's a bit unexpected, or like what do you say? We call it? Even just like mixing in mid-century, and yeah, like, let's kind of make it your own sort of thing.

Speaker 2

Which I think brings us to another trend is literally like, I should say bespoke design, but I think it's more individualism, like, um, I should say bespoke designed. I think it's more individualism like it's people going well actually. Yeah, no, farmhouse is cool, but I really want, you know, a bright blue 80s piece of furniture in there. Um, and that whole thing of like using things that you love and making it work for you so that it tells that story of kind of who you are. I think that's becoming more of a trend and that's why we're kind of pushing back on these very formulary styles.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I agree, and I think it's also knowing what your style is. And then, as you say, putting an opposite style in there I did a style quiz. It is hard, but I think yeah, with the style quiz, you know, it asks you all these questions and it tells you which one's your most common answer.

Speaker 2

And then I created like a little diagram to show you how to create like a bit of an eclectic look.

Speaker 1

So the opposite style just have one piece of that opposite style, and so it's like a little pie chart of different styles, like a color wheel, but for styles anyway, I kind of got a bit carried away, but yeah, I actually need to go have a look at that.

Speaker 2

I might take it.

Speaker 1

I might take it and check my style. I'd love to know your take on it. I don't know if yeah, um, but I think it's good to know what your style is so that you can play on that. If you sort of don't know what the rules are, then how do you know how to break them?

Speaker 2

and it ends up being a bit of a dog's breakfast, you know yes, yeah, I know, and it's all well and good for me to say I'll make it your own and make it individual. But I know that also sometimes that's quite overwhelming and it's easier to sort of go well, I really like farmhouse, so that's what I'm going to do and, again, don't begrudge anyone for that. So maybe this is why this kind of happens, is people can kind of go well, I can just sort of take that and then put it here and then in my house. But put it here and then in my house. But we would encourage you to make it your own is what we would like to see?

Speaker 1

Absolutely, and if you literally live in a farmhouse, then it makes sense. Yeah, I think sometimes it's when these styles are out of hand.

Speaker 2

Don't do farmhouse style maybe, yeah. I think if you live in a penthouse apartment, I want to see 2000s minimalism and, if you live in an apartment, I want to see farmhouse.

Speaker 1

Exactly us, exactly barn doors. Oh it's so some animals, even I don't know some chickens. You love it.

Speaker 2

You don't limit yourself you know, you can have chickens if you live in a big exactly ducks chickens. That would be fun, though, actually to have ducks.

Speaker 1

They're cute, they are cute um another thing that um, actually somebody mentioned the other day that they thought was leaving. The trend sort of cycle is KitKat tiles or finger tiles.

Speaker 2

Yeah, that has hit a moment, hasn't it?

Speaker 1

Oh well, I think the thing is yes, it has. I think when we're seeing a white KitKat tile with the white grout, it's like yes, it's just nothing exciting.

Speaker 2

It's like subway tiles right, it's the new version of a subway. Yes, but however, there's ones that you can do. Yeah.

Speaker 1

There are beautiful Japanese tiles that you can use, you know, from Artidomas or Academy Tiles, and they have that handmade quality, and I think this is again what we're sort of getting at Anything that has a beautiful quality to it, it doesn't date as easily.

Speaker 2

Oh, I agree. Yeah, invest well, and it doesn't mean you have to spend a fortune. But, yeah, quality and handmade and it brings it back to even what I was saying before is the ones that we're talking about. There's an imperfect element to them. It's when something's like yeah, like shiny white Kit Kat but those beautiful. Japanese ones that have, like you know, even just the nuance of color in them because of the way they've been fired. Yeah, I don't think that would ever date in a way. Ooh is it timeless.

Glossy White vs Black Kitchens

Speaker 1

Let's add that to our timeless list that we're checking off. What about black kitchens? Or all white kitchens?

Speaker 2

I say hard, hard, hard no to both of those.

Speaker 1

Did you want to think about that? Particularly anything kind of like glossy white in particular, I would say oh yeah, it's just. Yeah, I don't know, it's very clinical.

Speaker 2

Yeah, 90s, 2000s. Um, you know, it is dated. I think. I think you can actually say that that's dated and I think it's, I think it's unimaginative, I think. If, like, sorry, come me, if you've done a new house recently or a renovation and you chose a glossy white finish, when there are so many amazing choices out there, why Is it something you really liked? Because I question that. I don't think there's someone who goes I just love a glossy white. I mean, I'm sure there are people that love a glossy white kitchen, but I think it's just because people are scared, think that's a fear decision well, you know what's weird as well.

Speaker 1

I mean gloss. I, I, I know. I saw you in Milan and I saw so many gloss finishes not in white, though, but not white. That's the difference, yeah never say, never as well. Yeah, and I think that the key with what you would have seen too.

Speaker 2

Sorry with the gloss stuff is that, yeah, it was always like a colour, like a nice, usually kind of deep, warm colour. But then it's how it's used, like what it's placed with. I think when we talk about like a glossy kitchen, even if it was a glossy coloured kitchen, it would still need to be broken with something else to make it like a knock. I don't know.

Speaker 1

Definitely. It's all about that contrast of texture. You can't have a glossy porcelain tile, a glossy cabinet, a shiny polished stone and then a you know shiny polished or whatever splashback like. It's all about that contrast of texture. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I think black kitchens, I think we're pretty fatigued with seeing the black kitchen. You know the fingerprint proof.

Speaker 2

I remember I was so excited when that came out. But, I don't know the matte sort of finish in the black.

Speaker 1

It seems a bit commercial.

Speaker 2

Sorry, what's that?

Speaker 1

I sold out Black gloss yes. Oh God, that makes me sick.

Speaker 2

Is that what it's? The white gloss, maybe even I'm sorry.

Speaker 1

I think it is.

Speaker 2

Yeah, it might be. Might be. It would be like a mirror, wouldn't it? You'd be able to see yourself in it.

Speaker 1

Maybe that's why people like it. No, Other people are like oh, just the best yeah.

Speaker 2

I just I'm totally digressing.

Speaker 2

I'm getting the Friday sillies, see um laminates have got like a black ply finish which I thought looks really nice like a like a chart, so that I think is different. So like something that has character and texture in black and, depending on, obviously, how it's used in in the space, I think is great like. So that almost comes back to, um, that japanese uh, I'm gonna say it wrong sh wrong shugibana or something I don't know. Hang on, let's look it up. Sorry, I hadn't written any of that down, that was just a simple top of my head, and sometimes those things come to me and often they do not. But it's that charred finish that they do on the outside of a house to actually protect it. So there's a whole kind of reason behind that.

Speaker 1

Yeah, shushugiban. So it's like a charred, it's sort of a painted Shu.

Speaker 2

Shugi Ben yeah.

Speaker 1

Well, it's not painted. Shu Shugi.

Speaker 2

No, it's not painted.

Speaker 1

It's not painted, it's actually charred. So you don't have to the maintenance is very light.

Speaker 2

Yes, that's the real thing, but I think that's inspired some of these black kind of look to them. So there's a bit of depth in it, isn't there? I guess is a good way to put it there is.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's not just a flat black, it does have a texture, so yeah.

Speaker 2

And I love a ply. I love a ply, look.

Speaker 1

Well, actually, although we did have a, ply moment, didn't we? I think a ply is over. I think I'm literally sitting at a desk exposed ply edge, but it does have that industrial look and we've long moved past industrial. So if it's a again, it does have that authentic authenticity and it does have that you know, when you're seeing the layers of wood, that is quite satisfying. The birch ply, that industrial style, I feel like that's done, we're over that now. You know, and I mean I'm just, it is a beautiful it is.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. It definitely has had its moment. However, I do like it. I do think it applies to kind of a cool, cool finish.

Speaker 1

If we're talking about you know if we're going to be seeing any more of that. I don't think so. I think that we've we've exhausted that trend and you know what? Benchtopop city? They do a really beautiful abs edge that looks exactly like birch ply, so you don't have to spend the money on it. Multi-layer, yeah, it's really really authentic looking and amazing. Um, but yes, I would say that that industrial ply aesthetic is over, even though I still like it. So there you go, go, yeah same Right.

Speaker 2

I could still like things, but it just means that they have peaked. Is what we're saying? Yes, They've peaked.

Speaker 1

Yes, it's peaked.

Speaker 2

Things that I don't like, like white kitchens.

Speaker 1

Really, I didn't know that I'm going to go down into my own white kitchen in a moment. It's the same.

Speaker 2

I was actually thinking of me to paint my white kitchen, like I mean I could do it. Oh, I feel like I might have already said this in another podcast or I've just said this to you offline. But there's now a company that does like DIY, like the removable wallpaper, but for kitchen cupboards. Huh, and I can't remember who the company is.

Speaker 1

Interesting.

Speaker 2

I just remember someone telling me about it and going well, that's interesting. I should look into that Because you know, renting I have the kitchen I have is the kitchen I have. There's probably not a lot I can do about that, but yeah, I guess if you knew you were going to be somewhere for a while and you could just remove something and add like a vinyl wrap version of a removable kind of cover on cupboards, that'd be cool. That's clever.

Speaker 2

I just love it how you and I are just like bagging out white kitchens, and yet we both have a white kitchen. Oh my god, this is such a creep.

Speaker 1

No, but mine's. Mine's like an original 1961 kitchen.

Speaker 2

Yeah, yours might be slightly cooler than mine is it?

Speaker 1

it might be cooler. Is it functional?

Speaker 2

But anyway, that's for another day. But. I still I love it, Kitchens have come a long way right in terms of functionality they have.

Speaker 1

The kitchen sink is the most sturdiest sink ever. Anyway, this is boring for people, so shall we just wrap this up?

Speaker 2

Bree, yes, let's wrap it up and obviously we'll come back to you next year.

Design Tour Excitement and Future Plans

Speaker 1

Yes, so fun. And if you've got you know predictions, come and tell us what your predictions are, because, also, we should let people know that we're going to Milan and Paris together with eight of our closest friends. We're doing a design tour, so it's going to be the best. I met one of the gorgeous women that is coming today, brie. She is divine, she is gorgeous, she's excited, she's smiling, enthusiastic, friendly, beautiful. Oh my God, it's going to be so great. And I told her about the other people that are coming and she was getting really excited. So it was so super cute.

Speaker 1

But, yeah, this is a thing that we want to do every year. So you know, if you guys are curious and you want to get on the waitlist for 2026, maybe we should start that up. Brie, incredible, yeah, small group, eight women plus us. Oh guys, god, I shouldn't discriminate. Yeah, I mean we are going to do twin share, some of us. All right, going to be great, so good. Thanks, bree, see you. So thank you guys for listening in. And just a quick reminder if you would like some help with the interiors for your own home, I can help you in a course called the Style Studies Essentials. Or, for designers out there, come into the Design Society for business and marketing and all of the things.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and in the same show notes you'll find a link to sign up for my soon-to-be-released furniture collections, pre-selected furniture collections and cool trend information, and then, in the future, some short courses on styling and trends as well.

Speaker 1

So good Bree. We've got the utmost respect for the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. They're the OG custodians of this unceded land and its waters, where we set up shop, create and call home and come to you. From this podcast today, a big shout out to all of the amazing elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the present and the emerging leaders who will carry the torch into the future. We're just lucky to be on this journey together.