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When Good Design Still Fails: Kelly McCloskey on Real Feng Shui

• Bree Banfield and Lauren Li • Season 3 • Episode 2

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What if your home looks beautiful but still leaves you flat, restless, or strangely unlucky? We sit down with feng shui master Kelly McCloskey to unpack the practical side of energy at home—how doors, corridors, water, light, and small daily habits shape wellbeing, relationships, and money. Kelly cuts through the gimmicks and myths to explain what classical feng shui actually measures: precise facing degrees, twenty-four sectors, annual flying stars, and how personal astrology and timing interact with your floor plan.

We dive into entryways and why the front door is the mouth of the house, explore why mirrors can bounce opportunities out, and show how to slow fast corridors so qi settles where you live. Kelly shares the big red flags, like toilets or fridges in the true centre, and the fast, realistic fixes that restore flow without gutting your plans. We talk yin bedrooms, supportive seating, and how a simple console behind a floating sofa can calm the body. You’ll also hear real stories of homes that quietly fought their owners—and the precise tweaks that turned around fertility journeys, teenage anxiety, career stalls, and money droughts.

Along the way, we blend design sense with energy literacy: clutter as a universal drag, art behind the bed as intention, lighting as targeted activation, and curb appeal as a magnet for opportunity. Whether you’re renovating, buying, or just rearranging, you’ll learn how to make rooms that not only look right but feel right—spaces that welcome qi, hold it gently, and guide it to the moments that matter. If you’ve ever wondered why a house can be perfect on paper yet wrong in your bones, this conversation gives you the map.

Check out Kelly on here on @kellymccloskey_fengshui & website here

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Welcome And Why Energy Matters

SPEAKER_02

Welcome to Design Anatomy, the Interior Design Podcast hosted by friends and fellow designers, me, Brie Banfield.

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And me, Lauren Lee, with some amazing guest appearances along the way. We're here to break down everything from current trends to timeless style.

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With a shared passion for joyful, colour-filled, and lived-in spaces, we're excited to share our insights and inspiration with you.

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And today we're exploring something a little different: the energy within a home. Not just how a space looks, but how it feels. And our guest, Kelly McCloskey, is a feng shui master with a background in real estate, so she understands both the emotional and practical value of a home.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, she spent years studying the classical principles of feng shui. I hope I'm saying that right. And translating them into modern life, helping people create homes that support well-being, balance, and success. We'll talk about what good energy means and how ancient wisdom fits into contemporary design and a few small shifts that can completely change the way you live in your space.

SPEAKER_01

Welcome, Kelly. I'm so excited for this chat, and it's so nice to meet you. Thank you so much for having me, ladies.

SPEAKER_02

So, Kelly, I feel like I know a tiny little bit, and I don't know how much you know, Lauren, but I feel like I'm slightly educated because I did one of your evenings, beautiful dinner, with what I would say is like kind of the 101 on Fun Shui, like a bit of an overview. And I actually learnt so much because I really thought maybe I knew what it was, but I really didn't quite understand it and I found it in really fascinating. So can you just tell us, like I guess, what the what is it? Like, what is Feng Shui?

SPEAKER_00

Sure. Feng Shui literally means wind and water. And the first book written about Feng Shui is called The Book of Burial, and it was written in 300 AD. And yes, and so Feng Shui was all about finding the ideal burial site because the Chinese believe if you're buried in an auspicious location, your offspring, your descendants, yourself will have a great life in the next life. Yes. So it has nothing to do with waving cats, crystals, trinkets, kissing frogs, none of that. Kissing frogs? Is that one of the myths?

SPEAKER_02

Although apparently isn't that little Disney princess fairy tale.

SPEAKER_00

Well, apparently, if you have two kissing frogs, you'll find the man of your dreams.

SPEAKER_01

I'll be right back.

Debunking Myths: Cats, Crystals, Mirrors

SPEAKER_00

I'll be right back. So funny breeze. So classical feng shui, it relates to how does the energy in your home work? Is it you know, do you have great feng shui form or do you live like Miss Piggy? You know?

SPEAKER_01

Do you live like Miss Pig? Are you asking me?

SPEAKER_02

Because um okay. I actually really love Miss Piggy. I probably do live a little bit like I think. She is iconic. I want to live like Miss Piggy.

SPEAKER_03

Um I guess so.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and this is what I find really interesting because I think I've become quite um I think I always had an interest in energy and and what it meant because it's like it's a real thing. I think there's obviously woo-woo things, but I do believe in energy. I do think that that's actually, you know, if we get into scientific things, it exists. So I find it really fascinating that that's what it's actually about. And I just did I don't think I really thought about it like that, but it's about energy and kind of how it moves through the home and things like that. But like I guess when um, and you mentioned like the waving cats and the frogs, what what other things do people sort of think is I think mirrors would mirrors be like putting a mirror somewhere? Like that's a really common one too, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Like, yes. So mirrors are, you know, there's some full spray experts out there that say, oh, if you put a mirror opposite your bed, you're gonna your partner will is likely to have an affair because you're duplicating, you know, what you're seeing, which for me is rubbish. However, I don't think you can get it.

SPEAKER_02

That sounds superstition, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Superstitious. No, I just don't think for me, I just don't like mirrors amplify energy, they create energy. So we don't want that in a bedroom. We want our bedroom to be yin, so a place where you've got to rest and relax, not full of energy and activity.

SPEAKER_02

Right. You know, it's interesting, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, so I was just gonna say, I don't know anything about feng shui, but I had a client consultation the other week, and they were thinking about putting a mirror right opposite the front door at the end of a hallway. And I said, I don't know about feng shui, but I don't feel like that's a good idea because I don't want to come home at night and see a reflection of my own person. Yeah, so sometimes I feel like feng shui, sometimes it's a common sense, like it's an energy, it's a vibe. I don't know. Um, but I mean that's I don't want to downplay because I have no knowledge of of it, but I do have a cat at the front door. So I'm already ticking that box wrong. And I do have a I do have some superstitious superstitious things where I have a big Buddha um you know, statue thing, and it's got all these little babies on it. And if you rub the tummy of that Buddha, somebody will become pregnant. It's happened twice.

SPEAKER_00

You could probably sell money per rub for that Buddha, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Um well she has she has like um actual instances where it's worked, haven't you?

SPEAKER_01

It's happened to our friend. I I intentionally rubbed that Buddha's belly thinking of her, and she became pregnant. And I also did it for somebody I don't know, and she became pregnant too. So anyway, we're getting off tangent.

SPEAKER_00

But no, but in relation to the kitty, the kitty, you know, that's what we see it at the Asian restaurant tip jars, because what a the whole idea of it is is that it's activating the energy. So we look at the energy because it's moving, and then you're like, oh, I should give them a tip. So there is something to it, but it's fake Fung Shui. It's not yeah, you know, it's not gonna bring you means, but might get someone to throw two dollars in on the way out, you know.

SPEAKER_01

If that hasn't worked here, yeah.

What Classical Feng Shui Really Measures

SPEAKER_02

But there's no one walking past your front door going, oh, I'm gonna give them a tip.

SPEAKER_01

No, but bring bringing in money, bringing in wealth.

SPEAKER_00

You shouldn't have mirrors at the front door because you know, we've all walked in somewhere and you've caught yourself in the mirror, you thought, oh god, I wasn't expecting that, and you take a step back. Same with feng shui. We think of everything being made up of energy, qi. So if the qi comes in through your front door and sees a mirror, it's gonna do what we would naturally do in that step back and and probably head back out the door. So we don't want that. We want it the name of the feng shui game is to get the qi, the the energy in the home for as long as possible.

SPEAKER_02

That's right, and to keep and get it to kind of move through but to the asset straight away. That's correct. Isn't there a thing too where you don't want the front door and the back door to be like then if you go in the front door, you can't see the back door?

SPEAKER_00

Is that yes, that is another feng shui for me, a feng shui fib or a feng shui myth. Like we're about to renovate our house here, and I've purposely set up the front door in line with the back door for a different formula. But you've just got to be smart. You don't want the qi running from one end to the other. But I'll have beautiful hallway runners, interesting art, you know, pop glance. So it's just like if you were to come into my house, if you just came in through the front door and thought, oh god, there's nothing interesting here, it's like a bowling alley, let me out the back, then that's what would happen. Whereas if you're like, oh, she's got interesting art and oh, that's in you the qi will stay in the house longer.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we want we want to attract the tea to kind of beautiful things. So that's where interior design can come in. 100% like working with it, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yes. And I am not an interior designer. I that is not my bag. I had someone contact me this week and I said, I can't help you. I have no idea about interior design. So they, you know, that sort of thing. And same with architecture. I'm not an architect. I love working with architects, love working with designers, but I'm not stepping on anyone's toes. It's completely different offerings.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, totally. But it's sort of, I assume you do get, do you get designers or architects ask you to consult for them, or is it mainly the homeowner? It's mainly the client comes to you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because as soon as an architect hears, I've got a full shui consulting, you can see them go, you know, they just they just bristle. They go, she's gonna ruin our plans. We've got these plans, la la. And I don't ruin them. We usually make little tweaks. It could be moving a toilet from one wall to another. It can be just little tiny things, and and the house will just flow better. The the occupants are likely to have better career success, better relationships, more money, kids will be better at school, you know, all these little, just little bits and pieces. It's just manipulating energy. That is all it is.

SPEAKER_02

And from my memory of um what I learned that night, it's not just it's not just like an overall principle. You actually do a whole heap of calculations based on where the house is, which way it faces, and all of that too, right? And what like year it is, like it's time.

SPEAKER_00

Time as well. So it's it's a lot of energy. So we look at the the the way the house faces. So it's not, oh, my house faces northwest, no, it faces 312 degrees. So it's to the degree.

SPEAKER_02

It's very specific, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, scaled floor plan, when was the year the house was built? We also look at the astrology of the occupants as well to see where their house will support them. And if it doesn't, how can we get it to support them? Um, all these little bits and pieces. And uh it's it's really life-changing. I've got so many fantastic testimonials and clients who uh will remain friends forever because we've made some really big shifts in their life. They've gone from people that can't afford to pay their bills each week to having the job of their dreams and plenty of money to make the choices they want to make, you know, or finding the love of your life, or getting pregnant after they've been told the doctors have said there's nothing wrong with you. I I don't know, the IVF's not working. I don't know why. Well, it's the house. Because we look at our environment, we spend more time at home than anywhere else. And if the environment of our home is not supporting us, well then we're we're pushing shit uphill, really.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. We are in a hundred percent agreance on that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. We have that approach, I guess, from it even just aesthetically. Yes. And and Lauren and I have often talked about the energy of a house. And I'm assuming it's probably all connected to what you're talking about. We just aren't very aware of it, I guess. Like specifics.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, yes. But I usually every couple of months get a phone call from someone who's gone and spent two million, ten million on a renovation, and they've moved into the house, and they're Kelly, I should really love it. It looks great in the 3D modeling, but I hate it. And you get there, and the feng shui's are the feng shui's wrong.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god. Everything is just I literally, yeah. I let met with a client yesterday or whenever it was, and it was exactly what you said. We've spent so many years, so much money. I wish I loved my house more. And yeah. So what do you think about, you know, you mentioned the the calculations and those precise things, but then there's also, well, I don't know if it's less precise. I don't, I because I'm just learning about it, but like the astrology part, there's the practical, and then there's some of those more like the astrology, which I don't know, is that scientific, or is it how do you meld both of those together?

Entryways, Doors, And Keeping Qi Inside

SPEAKER_00

It's well, it like my house, I'm born in the year of the monkey. So if you think we look, if you look at a floor plan, it's in 24 sectors, and one out of every three of those sectors is what we call out of luck. We don't want to activate them. So an activator is a window, a door, uh uh, so anywhere that water exits, so a toilet, a shower, the washing machine, all that sort of stuff. The fridge is also another big activator. So the monkey in my house is out of luck, which means my house naturally does not support me. So then I go, okay, what else can I activate in the home to support me? So the perfect house, like the perfect person, does not exist, but there's always a plan B. We can always make little changes which can make a huge impact in your life, a positive impact. So we can always make things can only get better.

SPEAKER_02

I like that. I might put that as a tattoo. We're talking about tattoos the other day. Things can only get better.

SPEAKER_01

I think a Chinese character definitely. Yeah, that's right. So yeah, it's you just gotta work with what we have. And so the right house, you know, could be right for the for us, but maybe the next occupants it might not be right for because it depends on your astrology to a certain degree, yes, it'll probably support you more.

SPEAKER_00

But if, say for example, your front door is out of luck and the front door is you're in a single-fronted house, and the only way to get in and out of your house is through this front door and it's in the wrong spot. Well, then whoever lives there, whether it suits them or not, is is going to be not in the best circumstances in their life.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So how I guess um, and you mentioned there's like little things you can do. Do we I remember the front door is a big thing, right? That's how well, like that's what we attract, and and the front of your house should uh attract chi, is that correct? Yes.

SPEAKER_00

So you always want to have the best looking house in the street. We want to have, you know, we want the chi to come to our house. Always think, you know, you're out walking the dog on a Saturday morning or your guinea pigs, and you know, and there's always that one house. There's always that one house in the street, and you're like, oh, I'd love to see what's that house inside. That house has the qi we want because the chi is.

SPEAKER_02

Because we're attracted to it already, right?

SPEAKER_00

We we are just energy as well. So what what the qi is doing, we're doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. So, and um, I'm again, I'm just trying to remember some of the things. Um, like having plants either side of the door and not blocking the door. So you like it, you need to be able to sort of see the door so the qi can kind of come in.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, and if you and if you can't see the front door, if you live in, you know, in Edward in all these period homes with the the front doors around the side, you just need to make sure it's lit up like a Christmas tree. Yeah. So I say if the Uber Each driver can't find your front door, we're in trouble. You know, the chi can't find your front door. And the reason why that front door is so important is as you said, Brie, it relates to opportunities. It's it's the mouth of the home. So if we we can't, and if you live in an apartment, your balcony or the this the big bank of windows where you have the majority of your energy come in is your front door.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Yeah, that's right. I remember you saying that. Yeah, I find it so fascinating. I'm now because I haven't really thought about I'm in a different house than what I was when I first met you, and I'm thinking about it now. And my path, you kind of have to like squeeze up the driveway, and then the path is like a dog leg. So you kind of can't see the front door, and I'm thinking, hmm, I need to fix to bunnings for some lights. Yeah, yeah. And it and it isn't very well lit. But I'm thinking I'm gonna get, I noticed they when we moved in, they had those little solar lights along the path, but they're all dyed. So I'm like, I could just get some of those, right? And then 100%. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

They'll do the trick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's my weekend job.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02

You have multiple front doors, don't you, Lauren? Well, this is more than one.

SPEAKER_01

Uh find, yeah, it talking about confusing the Uber driver. We actually have two addresses. And I remember, yeah, I remember reading something about Feng Shui that um it's better to be walking upwards to your front door. Than downwards. Downwards. Yeah. So we we've sort of got both our our official address, you walk upwards, but it's uh a lane way from the back where we have our driveway. So on our street, we've got some houses that access through the main, some through the back. So anyway, um, but I I guess our official front door is from the back and you walk down a pathway. Um, anyway, but uh I guess I'm so curious, Kelly, how did you even get started in From Tway? If you don't mind sharing.

SPEAKER_00

Sure. Um, my background is real estate sales. So I saw real estate in Albert Park for a number of years and I saw history repeat itself. So I'd sell for a couple who were who had separated. A lovely couple would buy it. Cheers, let I get a phone call. Kelly, can you come and sell the house? Um, we've separated, or it would be health issues, or it would be Kelly, can you sell the house before the bank takes over? So I thought there must there's something going on here. Like the this this history repeating itself too many times. So I bit the bullet, everyone thought I was completely bonkers and quit real estate to go and study feng shui. And it's been it's been that was 14 years ago. So I was probably a bit of a head of the show. Why feng shui? Like, what was it that actually made you go? It's really weird. I was at um, I don't know if have you ever been to the paper shop Delhi, there's a sandwich shop in in South Melbourne, Clarendon Street there, and I just wanted a sandwich for lunch, and I was waiting there, and this is pre-COVID, obviously, and there was the stack of dirty magazines that everyone read while they're having their lunch, and there was a magazine there about feng shui, and I just picked it up and I'm like, oh my god, this is this is it. So I went back to the office, looked logged on, and the only course available in Australia that was accredited at the time was a course that was every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday for two years, which was not ideal for a real estate agent. So I I quit, which even now I think, what was I thinking? But I wouldn't, I'm so grateful.

SPEAKER_02

Some sort of instinct. What a leap. Right.

SPEAKER_00

It's crazy. Yeah. When I told my parents, my dads looked at my mum and said, has Kelly joined a cult? You know, like what's happened?

Working With Designers And Architects

SPEAKER_01

But I think that, you know, it's really interesting what you say because we're talking about the energy of a home. And sometimes you don't notice it if it's good, but when it's bad, like you know, in our work as interior designers, Brie, I'm sure you can imagine, or a few places come to mind where you go into a property and you're like, get me out of here. I don't like the energy here. So it's not even like the people, the people are lovely. Um, but there's some rooms that almost send a shiver down your spine. I know that sounds a bit woo-woo, but um, it's a bad vibe. So um I think that almost proves that it's there is, yeah, it could be, it could even be a great new house. It could even have the right furniture. It could have what you feel like it's just something on something underlining there that you can't even put your finger on, but you just don't feel great in it. Um, and I guess that's where some people, if they've lived in a home like that, they're like, we've tried this, we've tried that. Is that how how do people find you?

SPEAKER_00

Like, is it from experiencing something bad or yeah, often uh often it's people that are in a in a in a in crisis, really, you know, uh children are on suicide watch, marriage is about to implode, the bank's about to take over. They call me when you know there's issues.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And and often health issues, because we can in someone's chart, you can usually pinpoint what is activating to make them sick.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

So, you know, even I was in a house the other day and I said to they had their front door was out of luck and it was in the year of the tiger. I said, Did someone break their like have some sort of shoulder issues or shoulder surgery a couple of years ago? And she's like, Oh my god, yes, my husband's born in the year of the tiger. He had it to had a his shoulder completely redone. How did you know that? That's why. So you can see things, yeah. You can you can pinpoint things before they're ideally before they're gonna happen, so you can be mindful of be careful of this or stop the activation so it doesn't happen. So yeah, there's always nine times out of ten, there's a way around it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Have you ever had a, I guess, a client or a project or a home where you've gone, I don't know, I can't fix this for you. You literally have to move your front door or something like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I had a client not long ago in Richmond and they had a toilet smack bang in the middle of the house. So you never want water running in the middle of a home. Because if you are, or a fridge, even more so, because I know a lot of single-fronted houses, the fridge ends up being in the middle or the powder broom. Yeah. And as soon as you have that, the whole house is activated, which means everything is out of luck.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, dear. That's crazy. So did they move it?

SPEAKER_00

Uh, I actually gave them the money back and said, I can't help you. So they can actually sell it. Oh. Because as soon as you see that's out of luck, I can't really, I can't make any changes.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, that's fair. I guess disappointing for them. But yeah, I guess if they feel really strong about it, they're like, well, we have to move.

SPEAKER_00

They're getting it ready to put on the market because they just they've had and everything that's like, you know, she's had bullying at work, which is another big one. We can look at power and bullying. She's get being bullied at work, the kids have got health issues, the husband's got problems. It's just, it's all written there in the full shades, just not supporting them. So a fridge.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, sorry, go ahead with the fridge thing. I think my fridge might be a few.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, mine's like practically in the middle of the house. And it, I mean, I never uh it's not ideal practically. But um, are there some things you can do if you have, you know, those kind of toilet in the middle, fridge in the middle?

SPEAKER_00

The toilet's a problem because the fridge you can move, right? You just have to disconnect the fridge. So my fridge at home here is in the wrong spot. So I disconnected it, so it's still there, it's just empty. Well, as we use it as a bit of a pantry now, and then I have another fridge on the other side of the dining table that is in the right spot, which I know sounds really extreme, but it works because my social media, for me changing my fridge, that's all I did. My social media went from about 10 or 15,000 to now over 100,000 followers across the board. And I really did nothing different apart from turn my fridge off.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, that's so crazy. What a cool metric as well to measure it to something so tangible.

SPEAKER_00

Like something so yeah, yeah. It's just gonna be little, it's not the littlest shift, but it's wow, it everything's energy, it all makes sense. You know, if you get the energy right, everything's in flow, everything just happens.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I do believe in that. I mean, I guess it's connected to um uh Lauren put me onto a great book. What was that book called, Lauren? That I love to the badass one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, how to be a bad ass with money. By and it's all about energy, really, isn't it?

Calculations, Astrology, And Timing

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, and manifest like proper manifesting, not just like you know, daydreaming it, but like, you know, also actioning things. But I I listened to that and it she and it's it is, I mean you can tell by the title of the book, it's very easy to listen to and she explains it very well. But I'm like, this just feels very intuitively correct to me, like it makes sense. So when I hear you talk about energy uh in the house, to me it also it makes sense. But I'm at that's why I find it quite fascinating. And I think we could probably find lots of examples where we know something's off, but I haven't tried to change anything yet myself. So I need I feel like I need to do a little experiment about like the front door, for instance, and maybe a couple of other things just to see whether it actually changes feel or yeah, wherever I I can kind of sense that difference.

SPEAKER_00

And it happens pretty it happens pretty quickly. Like if we shift some stuff in your house, it happens within two or three weeks. Like I just was awarded as a Feng Shui master in the last. Yes, congratulations, by the way. In the last couple of weeks. And my astrology, I'm not in great luck now. Like my master said to me, Kelly, are you sure you want to go for it this year? This is not the year for you to do it. And I'm like, you know what? I can do it. So I activated a few things in my house and I got through. There were four of us that tried to get it this year. I was the only person in the world to get through. And I activated a couple of power things just in the house, which was, you know, easy stuff, and that's what happened. So I love that. You can know so we look in fung shui, we believe 33% of your energy relates to your house, your feng shui. 3% is your astrology, and the other 33% is your man luck. Are you a good person? Are you donating blood? Are you letting people cut into you in traffic without giving them the bird? You know, all these things. So karma.

SPEAKER_02

I consider that to be kind of karma, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so if you're in a if you're in a bad luck cycle in your astrology and your feng shui isn't supporting you, that's when things can go really bad.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't really realize that feng shui was so connected to astrology.

SPEAKER_00

It is because yeah, we believe it's, you know, heaven, so um, the luck that you were born with, with your astrology, the man luck, who you are yourself, and your earth luck. So it's how heaven and earth combine and we're the man in between.

SPEAKER_01

Oh wow. It's a lot more spiritual than what I thought it was, actually.

SPEAKER_00

Look, they've big believers in in feng shui. We believe as a feng shui master, if you off if you give someone the wrong advice, I'm gonna cop it energetically. Even if I do it by mistake, obviously not intentionally, but if I do something wrong, I'll be the one copying it on the other end, not my client. Well, my client probably will too, but I'll really cop it. So it's it's very much karmic as well.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. You know, I don't know if I always believe in karma, because sometimes bad things happen to good people. Yeah, bad things happen to good people and children. And I can't, I can't reconcile that anyway.

SPEAKER_00

This is why the the Chinese believe that where you're buried or where you're grand, so it's still about the grandparents or the great grandparents where they're all buried affects the the offspring that's not born yet. So there's in it's quite normal over in Asian cultures to go and dig up old relatives and move them, and then their life improves. Now I'm that's called yin fungue. I'm not into it, it's not my thing, but it does make you think about does it does it actually work? And and there's there's a lot of data in science that say it does work.

SPEAKER_02

And in um in white culture, it would be the sins of the father, you know, like sometimes the stuff that's happened in the past still comes through. Explain the answers. And in DNA, it's a real thing. Like you can have um like a heavy smoker in your history who never got cancer, but can still pass those genes on to you. Like it that's all a real scientific thing. So maybe it's the energy too. I don't know. Gee, that's that kind of sucks though.

SPEAKER_00

Because I get I don't even know where my great great grandparents are buried, you know. Oh, same. And my mum, we've put her in a pot at the front of our beach house. So I'm like, oh that's that good.

SPEAKER_02

I think that's nice. Be at a beach house. You know, that sounds nice to me. I don't want to be in some in the ground somewhere.

SPEAKER_00

I want to be like my ashes. I didn't want to be in a lonely, lonely cemetery. So I'm like, I'll stick her in the pot at the front door with, you know, so we can say hello to her when we come. And she can hear the beach, it's nice.

SPEAKER_02

I like that.

SPEAKER_01

Surely that sounds ideal.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like that would be good.

SPEAKER_01

So, like, I mean, tapping into more that spiritual stuff, like you started dealing, like you're a real estate agent, you're talking 100% about the houses, but you know, has your sort of world outlook changed since you shifted careers?

When A Beautiful House Still Feels Wrong

SPEAKER_00

Look, I'd like to think I was always a good person and I've always been I don't know and I do believe in karma. So I would never as a real estate agent, your job is to get the best result for the vendor. But hand on heart, I can honestly say I I never took advantage of a purchaser. I always I like people, and I think if you enjoy people and try and help people, whether it'll be selling real estate or looking at their feng shui, things will always work out. You'll always be good at what you do because your heart's in the right spot. I'm not blind smoke up my own backside, but I really do think that's true, you know. There's one of my sons, he's got a and my I've got two boys, and the eldest one plays basketball, and one of his teammates just keeps having foot feet injuries. He just keeps his foot just keeps and he's having growing pain problems. And I said, look, just give me a chart, let me have a look at it. And they've just renovated this beautiful house in Melbourne. And it's their kitchen sink. The kitchen sink relates to him, it's out of guar and it relates to foot problems and bone issues. Wow. So I said, you need to stop using your kitchen sink. But they've got a butless, but she's like, okay, great. I said the dishwasher's good. Use the dishwasher, but not the sink. So, and she said, It things have improved. I can't believe it. We're not getting any tears at night saying my bones are sore and this is sore and just things like that. So, you know, a house tells a story, a hundred percent. And it's the blueprint for your life, really.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, because I mean, I believe I believe that your house changes your life and it affects your affects the way you feel, it affects the way you interact with your family members. Um, it affects, you know, even as you were saying, you know, doing homework, is there a space to facilitate that? Is there a space to facilitate conversation? Da da da da. But I have to be honest with you, I find that hard to believe about the sink. So can you just convince me a bit more so I can understand? Because I don't I'll tell us what I'm saying. I don't understand it. That's why I'm saying that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So if you think of, you know, a floor plan, it's in 24 sectors, one in every three is out of luck. So in the red, we I shade it in red, which means don't activate it, Lauren. Don't we don't want to have any water running, we don't want to have any windows open.

SPEAKER_01

We just hang on, just skip back. Just just talk about the um the 24 sectors. Is yes.

SPEAKER_00

What is that? They are related to the astrology. So the 12 animal sectors and also 12 sectors of um they're the elements, so young um metal, uh, earth, fire. And so they were then we look at the chart. So, for example, if you lived in my house, you might be okay because you're not born in the year of the monkey. And if the monkey is out of gua uh out of luck, it wouldn't affect you as much as it affects me.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But when the year the the year of the monkey comes around, trouble for everyone in the house. So next year is the year of the horse. So if you've got the horse in luck and it's at your front door or in the back door, and we're activating it. So if your house faces north or south, could be a really good year for you next year because it's the year of the horse.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So let me see if I understand. Um, you are looking at those 24 sectors and the person, and sort of overlaying them on onto the with the house. With the house. And then you've got all of this data and information that you can point to that relates to that person and the sector. So that gives you that information.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay. That's great. Okay. So each each each sector's got different health ailments related to it. So if it's activated and it's out of luck, then those health ailments are likely to come up. Yeah. Depending on the astrology of coming for the year and also the astrology of the person who lives in the home.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. So how do you find if something is out of luck?

SPEAKER_00

You need to go to a fung shui consult, unfortunately. But that's what you're doing. Because that's when all the knowledge, that's when all the degrees and angles and working out where the sectors are. And I had I've got a I've got a really good girlfriend who's renovating a house in South Yeah, and she's renting at the moment. They got the notice you have to move out. I need to find somewhere new. And so she jumped on Chat GPT to find to instead of driving me crazy. She looked, used Chat GPT, and then she eventually fessed up and said, Kelly, can you help me? I'm looking at these, and all the AI stuff was wrong. It was so wrong. Oh, I wouldn't doubt that. Because it's just scanning what even common, so it's gonna scan the myths as well, right? Well, even so when I my last master that I studied with, it was pretty much the paperwork he gave us was full of rubbish because they don't want it getting out. So it's either he speaks it and you learn it, and if you don't pick it up, bad luck. It's all secret men's business.

SPEAKER_02

Like if you I wouldn't do very well.

SPEAKER_00

So what did you say? It's not written in the book, and what this is in the book isn't what you just said. He's like, I know I don't want anyone pinching the book. I love that it's secret. So um uh that's one good thing. Chat GPT won't never take away my job because it's it'll be full fake feng shui.

SPEAKER_02

But there's too much I've seen so when um you know, I'm I keep referring to this dinner, but I think what helped me understand it just you know, overall, obviously, still a lot I don't understand, was seeing like the floor plan and the overlay and how you worked out all the sectors. Like that's it's going to be different for every home. So it's not something you can't, I don't think you'd be able to just use AI and work it out. Like might help slightly, but like you're never going to get the level of the city. Probably wrong.

SPEAKER_00

Like even finding the center of your house is not that easy, unless you live in a square or rectangular shaped house, which which most of us don't now. It's very hard to find the center of your house correctly.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I remember seeing that too. So I I remember you also told some great stories as examples of like something that changed and like quite dramatic examples. Can you give us a couple of those? Because I love those stories. That's the thing that I get the little goosebumps. That's goosebumps.

Luck Cycles, Health Signals, And Fixes

SPEAKER_00

Well, I don't know. It's funny. I I'm trying to think what I told you, but um, for myself personally, I met my husband when I was 36. And then at 37, I thought, oh, we better get on the job if we want to have kids. So I went off to Dr. Trudy, did all the tests, got called up to see Dr. Trudy, and I had the egg count of a 55-year-old woman. So the chances of me getting pregnant were very, very slim. And I'd only been dating my now husband for six months at the time. And we went and saw a fertility gynecologist, and she said, Look, the IVF won't touch you. If you want to have kids, Tom, put down the remote and get on Kelly. Like time is not on your side. So she said, Oh no. Fun times. Anyway, I fell pregnant within second month trying, pregnant. Now it should never have happened. And I did it, and then I did it again two years later. So it was 80 months later. So it was, and I look at my fung shui of my house then, and 100% that got me pregnant. And this is the thing in Melbourne, at the because whereas on the grid, a lot of houses in Melbourne do not support natural pregnancy. They just don't.

unknown

Why?

SPEAKER_02

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00

Like, although there's with those animals again. So there's five animals that are called birth qi, birth energy. And if they're out of luck, which chances are in Melbourne, you're a 50% chance they will be out of luck. And if you've got something activating in there like a toilet, because think a toilet gives birth, you know, it flutters, it exits. If you've got an you've got one of the birth chi in a toilet and you're using that toilet, chances of getting pregnant or staying pregnant and not miscarrying will be much harder.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So fertility's been a really big one. I've had great success helping people when they've gone through IVF five or six times, no luck, should be, should be pregnant according to, you know, medical tests. There's no reason, nothing's wrong. Um, but it's their house. The environment's not supporting them.

SPEAKER_02

The environment. I remember you also telling a story. Um, there's a couple that I remember. One was uh a little bit more dramatic about, I think you said before about um her, I think it was her daughter or trying to commit suicide. Yeah. Yeah, while being wise. Um, and that that made a big difference as well.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she was in a large house in Brighton with on the gold mile, so the water at the back of the home. So in Feng Shui, we ideally don't want water at the back of the home. We want it supported. We want a mountain. We want it so it feels like a you know, you you feel supported, you know, it it's like a big, a big huddle around your back, you know, it feels comfy. Whereas unfortunately, if you're back onto water, there the the lack of you'll feel a lack of support in that home. And that was playing out in his home. The hat the husband had left. Um, it was it was a it was a difficult situation. And the daughter was on suicide watch. And I said to the the wife, you need to plant out this gold mile. We need to create a fake mountain by planting it. And she said, I can't do that, because they had a pool, then all the you know, the bay behind it. Yeah, and then in the long run, we ended up moving the daughter into an art deco one-bedroom apartment in Peran, and everything shifted because it was art deco. It was a little bit dark, so a bit yin, solid, supported, you know, and everything just shifted for it. So it was great.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, the change of energy can do that too, I think, with with well being. And the other thing I remembered was um oh, the photo of um, is it a photo of women or artwork of women or something when someone's looking for a partner?

SPEAKER_00

What's that?

SPEAKER_02

The single woman, the single woman, was that it?

SPEAKER_00

The single woman. Uh often, you know, women are looking for a a partner and you go to their house and there's just images of single nudes everywhere, women on their own. Now, I'm a huge believer, what you look at, you will manifest, especially what is behind your bed. Whatever you've got hanging behind your bedhead, you'll manifest it. So I manifest your husband behind your bedhead.

SPEAKER_01

I do. I've got a what have you got?

SPEAKER_02

A drawing of a woman, one just oh, you do, yeah, but you're already married, so it doesn't matter. I also she's already got her man.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But do you rule are you are you are you ruling the roost? Are you the boss in the house?

SPEAKER_01

Um, no, we have a four-year-old boss.

SPEAKER_02

You guys are a partnership.

unknown

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01

We have a four-year-old little guy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I don't know. You guys are a pretty good partnership, but uh, if I had to pick, I would say you probably are the stronger. Sorry, Phil. Phil's listening to this as he's editing it. Bree, you're dead to me. It's a very long time. Oh no, I think you got having said that, what I mean is you guys very much complement each other.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but I guess I'm more the face of the.

SPEAKER_02

And I don't like I think in a good partnership, there's not one, uh, there's not like a rule the roost, but maybe there's like just the balance of someone who maybe takes the lead and the other person is more support. I would say that's you and Phil. Do you think that's right?

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I'm like, hey, should we have a podcast? And Phil's like, all right. So here and here we are.

SPEAKER_00

And that's, ladies and gentlemen, is how Feng Shui works.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but yeah, sorry, back to the the single lady thing. And so this particular client had two.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, the heaps of them, you know, they just and I get it, that like they are quite beautiful. But I think if you would like a relationship, you know, look at putting an image of two. It doesn't have to be two people, it can be two, you know, elephants, it can be two roosters, it can be two of anything, you know, but it should be a couple. And same thing if you want to have a family, look at having, you know, a family of three or whatever it might be.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's I find I find those little things quite interesting. Because obviously only one tiny part of a much bigger picture.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, but they all help. But they're kind of, you know, it all it all works to the you know, the universe and the energy saying, look, she's actually really serious. She, you know, she's changing things around. And in your own mind, you're like, yeah, I'm actually really ready for this. I'm ready for a change. Yeah, it sets that intention. Mindset energy does. Yeah.

Dealbreakers: Toilets, Fridges, And The Centre

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Well, it was like our friend um Jen Sincero that wrote that book, Brie, the How to Bait Be a Bad Us. She says, hide money all around your house because it makes you feel abundant with money everywhere. Just like, you know, 50 bucks here,$5 there. My mic was 100%. We'll swap it.

SPEAKER_02

Gone. I keep hiding things like chocolate biscuits, and then I go, I think it's a great spot. And then I go to get one. I go, oh, eat them all. They find it. Sniff it out. Or I'm just really bad at hiding things, maybe. I don't know. I think maybe they just know me too well. They just go, where would mum put it? She'd put it here because she thinks bingo! I find it. I don't remember saying about hiding the money. I do have some money hidden. It's not under my mat, right?

SPEAKER_01

Well, talking about money, can we can we ask you, um, Kelly, do you have any tips on bringing in more money to a household?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

I would like to.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, look, it's funny because there's so many feng shui experts, and I say experts out there, there's a one particular person up in Queensland who has a huge social media following and she just spruks fake feng shui.

SPEAKER_02

So if we yeah, so if we look at So she just gets on and gives you like a little people jump onto it.

SPEAKER_00

Like she was, oh, if you're gonna bring, if you want some money, put an image of two horses running, you know, in your house. I'm like, what the freaking how? You know?

SPEAKER_01

So she sounds like a Chinese restaurant.

SPEAKER_00

It looks and she anyway, but and then people get disheartened because they go and buy their two horses and nothing happens, you know, and then feng shui doesn't work, it's rubbish. Feng shui is nothing to that's not feng shui. Um, but in relation to money, uh every year the flying star energy changes. So this year your wealth sector is in the southeast sector, but this only represents about 10%. The other 90% could be your arguments and conflicts, or your you know, bankruptcy, or it could be slander, gossip, and theft. So you really need to before people go and put a water feature in that southeast sector, thinking it'll bring me money, but they're also activating all this, could be activating all this other rubbish because there's 9% that we don't know what you're activating. So unfortunately, there isn't a you know a one-answer. There's not a quick fix. There's not a quick fix. No. Apart from really the artwork behind your bed, because I always think um I've manifested a lot of things with that, a husband, even a beach house, you know. So I think what would I what would I buy if I had the money and put that image behind my bedhead? That's probably the only really good trick that I've got. Yeah. The only other thing he could do is um, which is another, if your front door is smack bang in the middle of your house. So if you live in a double fronted Victorian, you could put a water feature in front of your door if you had the space. That would also activate wealth. But you don't want to go putting water unless it's right in the middle of the house, if your front unless your front door is in the middle.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Which isn't that hard.

SPEAKER_02

I have a question about um, I'm in a townhouse now, so I've got another house that's right next to you. Like I guess adjoining how what's is it is it still as is my house still my house, or do I have to take that into account?

SPEAKER_00

No, it's still it's still your house, but so if I look at the front door, is the adjoining house to the right of your house or the left?

SPEAKER_02

To the left.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so you're then in the masculine house and they're in the feminine house. But that means your that house that you're living in would be good for rest and relaxation. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

But it does have that vibe.

SPEAKER_00

But not so much cash. So ideally So I need to swap.

SPEAKER_02

But then Imagine if you went and proposed to them. So I feel like you guys just need a really good rest, but I need to earn some money. Do you think we could just swap this weekend?

SPEAKER_01

No biggie.

SPEAKER_00

But but what is there another house to the right of your house? Yes. Is it bigger than your house?

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

You're fine then. You're laughing because then that's good for money.

SPEAKER_02

Because it's got the support.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So ideally, we want the house to the left.

SPEAKER_02

I'm on a hill too, so the one next to me is a little bit lower. On the left? Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, great, perfect. You're laughing. Perfect. Great.

SPEAKER_02

Because so it's not like towering over. Yeah. It's like a single, single level, but it's a bigger house.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so ideally we want the house to our left to be smaller than our house and the house to the right to be a little bit taller than our house. And that's good. Probably about right. And then we want to stand across the road and look back at our house and see something taller than our house in the back.

SPEAKER_02

Ooh, I think I've got trees.

SPEAKER_00

That's good. Trees will do the trick.

SPEAKER_02

There's actually great trees at the back of our house because I know that's a thing too, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00

Feeling supported. Yeah. Good for mental health, good for support, all that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_02

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

So my house, we have another house behind our house, but our house is bigger. And uh I often do feel a lack of support because I work on my own. Uh I both have both grandparents have gone to heaven. I have two little boys that are six and eight. So if we need nanny support, we have to pay for it. I you know, I have to find it. So it it does, it it works. Fung shui tells a story. You know, and if I had gone and bought it, you know, you could say, well, Kelly, go and buy a house with a a bigger, with some support at the back of it. So it might be that the lady next door can look after the kids or you know, it's just things like that change, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I've I obviously weren't able to give us specifics for the money thing, but are there some just if I was just to walk through my house now, what would you do? Is there anything, yeah, is there anything like that you know straight away, don't do this? Clutter, like or do that.

Front Of House, Curb Appeal, And Qi

SPEAKER_00

Clutter is a feng shui killer. If your house is full of clutter, which my house at the moment uh is not great with all the kids coming back with all their school stuff and you know, end of the year, it's the it's the clutter, you've got to get rid of it because I still think the universe will only give you what you have space for. So if your house is chocolate block full of rubbish, the universe is gonna say she doesn't need any more money because she's got everything. Oh gosh, her wardrobe is full, she's got no room for shoes, you know. Her linen cupboard is her linen cupboard is overflowing with linen she doesn't use, you know.

SPEAKER_02

So this is what we need to clean out, right? And give it away.

SPEAKER_00

And it's so good for you, it's so good for your man luck to give things away that you don't need to someone that might need it, you know.

SPEAKER_01

That is so interesting and so logical. It's so logical as well.

SPEAKER_00

Full trade is very logical. Full trade is it's it's not about trying to wreck someone's floor plan, it's about good design. You know, it's all it is. It's it's just and just manipulating little things.

SPEAKER_01

Well, that's I mean, I I have very, very limited experience, but the I guess the things I've heard and even just today, they do make logical sense and it does make a space feel good. You know, just again, I I mean, talking about that mirror thing at the entry, it doesn't feel good. And there's a then there's the feng shui to back it up as well. And even walking down to a home, it doesn't feel good to walk down to a front door. It feels better to sort of gently walk up. Um, they're just a few things that I've always remembered and because it just makes sense. Um, and to have a toilet in the middle of the house, you want it to be backed onto a wall, even for an air ventilation practical thing, but it it's backed enough. For plumbing costs, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But before before you go putting a new toilet in, let me know though, because it's you just want to make sure it's in the right spot because the toilets they they are a big energy sucker.

SPEAKER_02

And so water's a thing, isn't it? Like any exit. So like, does that if it was a shower, would it be the same thing? Because I anything where there's water kind of activated.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because in a bathroom, it's very hard to get all things in luck because just the way it that's the sectors work. So then we go, okay, well, the bath doesn't get used that all that often. We'll put that in the red, the out-of-luck sector because we hardly use it, but we want to make sure that the shower, because a lot of water goes down that, is in the right spot. It's so we just manipulate things and it's it's become feng shui is becoming much more mainstream now. Like there was a result recently, was it was all though through the financial review that someone paid a huge result because the house had good feng shui. And I have a as in where it sold. And then I had a client the other day, her friend just sold a house in Turek. They were hoping for 19 min and they sold it for 13 million because the house had bad feng shui. Wow. Now I don't know whether it did or not. And there's a lot of feng shui consultants out here.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, who decides? Listen. Like if you I I guess how does that play into I don't know. Look, I feel okay. Say I'm looking to buy a house, I would need to come to you and say, um, I need to buy a house, and you'd and you'd just check it out. I would be able to go, like, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I would get the floor plan, I'd come out, meet you there, would look at the, you know, the get the compass correct, get everyone's date of birth, and see, does this is this house going to support you, Brie, or is this a a trouble, troublesome house? But even the, you know, the agent probably won't tell you, but if you can even find out from the agent, so if the agent says, Oh, this couple, you know, their business has gone really, really why are they selling? This the couple's gone, you know, made a huge amount of money and they've bought a house around the corner for, you know, double the price, you're like, Great, maybe I should look at buying this house. Or or you know, they've split up or they've bought something smaller around the corner, I'd be like, but often the agents won't tell the truth anyway. Well, they can't, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Well, they probably don't want you to think of it negatively. So yeah, or they're yeah, they can't. Yeah. And I mean it's Did you sorry, I was gonna say, did you have that crossover being in real estate and studying? You never had the crossover of, or did you have um I don't know, like were you able to come back into that market and help people to fix their houses because they weren't selling?

SPEAKER_00

Well, thanks to you know, the real estate website. So when I was studying Feng Shui, I would go and print off everyone's houses, floor plans that were for sale, and I would look and I would do their chart. So someone would say, Oh, we're selling, but as practice. And apparently, no, they weren't separating. But you look at the chart and think, they're separating. And then after they'd sell it, they'd say, Oh, we actually separated. You're like, no shit, Sherlock, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

From the first so you can see that there's like they're sleeping in an arguments and conflict zone. So there's there's argy bargy there somewhere, you know, that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

And some and some couples will put up with it. You know, not everyone, if you're living if you're sleeping in an arguments and conflict zone, people still manage to get through it, but they they're not living their best lives.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, sometimes you don't it's like Lauren said, sometimes you don't notice um until it's better. And then you go, oh wow, that was actually bad timing. Like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So it could be sex scandal, that's another one. You know, you don't be buying a house and sleeping in a sex scandal bedroom. My god.

SPEAKER_01

Has this happened? I feel like that sounds like there's a story. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I forgot to talk about my clients, but yes, yes.

Townhouses, Neighbours, And Support

SPEAKER_01

Well, um love it. What comes to mind when I think of Fong Shui is the HSBC bank in Hong Kong. Because my um partner's from uh his family's from Hong Kong, and that is no joke. Where that um that bank is located, apparently it was the most like um, I don't know what you call it, but the best auspicious, yeah, yeah. Most auspicious spot in the whole of Hong Kong Island. Yes. And it was, I think it was um Norman Foster and partners that did the architecture. And they had a Feng Shui or Fongsu, Fengsu, I think that's how Phil says it. Um, expert come in and like really heavily consult because you can imagine HSBC Bank are not going to just take a chance on that location.

SPEAKER_00

No, but did you have you? But then what happened was one of the other banks from a neighbouring country went and built a bigger property, which then gave some bad juju to the HSBC one. Yeah. Wow. I think I know that. Yeah, there's a whole thing about that too. If you can guess which the country would be that might have done that. Uh some American bank, I'm wondering. No, um no. One just over there. But no, it just wants maybe Hong Kong back in there in on their link. Oh, okay, sure. Yes, right. Um, but over there, like in Hong Kong, it's just everyone has a feng shui, their feng shui expert. Like they go through, you know, they get their town planner involved, they get their architect, they get their designer, they get their fung. It's just another tick. It's a standard tick. Yeah, yeah. So um, and Taiwan's the same, Korea, Russia. It is feng shui is massive in Russia with the with really expensive with wealthy Russians. Really huge, huge. I was at a conference um a couple of weeks back and there was 30 delegates from Russia there, you know.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Do you have a lot of Asian? Because you travel all over the world. It's really good.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But most of my clients are um quite entrepreneur people that understand that just making that 10% difference in their life, which I think feng shui makes a lot more, but they're just always looking for that edge and they they don't want to end up divorced. They don't want to give away their money. They want their kids to be healthy and thriving. So why wouldn't and it's also, you know, I'm a cheap insurance policy when they're going to sell their house again because they know the feng shui will stack up when they have their full the purchaser has their feng shui person come through.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's so big in other cultures in the world. And I guess you've seen like a huge big um, you know, emergence here. Was that a post-COVID thing, do you think?

SPEAKER_00

Uh, possibly. I think I think people are just more aligned with energy. They understand it's not just a thing, you know. Tesla, as in Nikola Tesla, not the car, but Nikola Tesla and Einstein. All these people have been speaking about everything's energy. That's all there is to it, you know, and our environment at home is just so important. More important than your office, your office space at work. You know, people say to me, Oh, should you come and do the full show of my office or do the full show of my home? 100% your home. It all starts at home.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I love that. It's really interesting. I think that um, I think that COVID probably has played a part because I think our focus has become on the home and well-being. But I also think that we we're in a very disconnected society from things like energy that are real things, um, and that we're sort of shifting back to that because we're trying to look for, I guess, a bit more meaning and why and what's happening and how how can we explain how we feel um or change things. And I think that is it is all about energy, like full stop. Like that is what we need to be more connected to and more aware of. So I think the more we can learn about that and the more we can kind of implement things without it being kind of too crazy woo-woo. Like also, I think you can tell the difference in yourself when the energy is good. Well, you just feel better when you've made it. Sure, you just feel better.

SPEAKER_00

And you know, I've got clients we can just shift something like don't use that powder room, but use your on-speet Lou, because that's great for power and success. And this next thing I got a phone call three weeks later, Kelly, I've just got this huge promotion. I wasn't even expecting it. La la la, you know, just little things that, you know, or don't open that window, open this window instead. Just, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's so fascinating. And so people can learn more through your workshops. And you've got online courses as well.

Clutter, Man Luck, And Practical Tweaks

SPEAKER_00

I have an online course, which is um pretty much like what Brie came to. Um, and I've just recorded it. So it goes through about, you know, where where's your house hit in the street? And is it great for, you know, health and relationships or better for money, or is it like Breeze and it ticks all the boxes? That sort of things. And and how to uh, you know, um furniture placement, how best to sit up your living room according to Feng Shui practices, which you know, it's things like having your sofa against a solid wall. Again, so it's like having that against support at the back of the house, something taller behind your home, you're feeling supported. The same thing with having the sofa against a wall, not open, you know, onto a big glass bank of windows. You know, I don't know if you've ever sat in someone's house and they've got a new home and you walk in the front door and all the way down the end of the hall, you can see a sofa sitting out just floating there with nothing behind it. You can't get comfy on that sofa, you just don't feel supported. So you've got to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_01

Well, also it's not inviting for some reason. You don't want to sit on it.

SPEAKER_00

No, because you don't feel supported, it's just not comfy. Yeah. So easy fix is put a console behind it, and then we've we've faked the faked the uh the wall. But yes, just things like that. So it goes through all of that in the it does, it does. And this is the thing with Fung Shui, it does it does actually make sense. Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_02

What about lights? Uh, we haven't talked about lighting. Like, is that part of it?

SPEAKER_00

I think that's more of a design thing, but we can pick if floor lamps, I would like them in certain spots because they can activate the energy of that particular sector.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

You know, so say you're born in the year of the rabbit, we'd find the rabbit on your floor plan and we'd put a floor lamp there to activate you, your health, your relationships, your success.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, how fun. What if you've got a gift? So fun, no.

SPEAKER_02

I find it all very yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, thank you so much, Kelly. This has been so fascinating. And I I'm so curious. I'm gonna jump on your website and gonna do a deep dive. So, yeah, I'm I'm wanting to know more. Thank you for having me. Oh, of course. Thanks, Kelly. See you, bye. We've got the utmost respect for the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation. They're the OG custodians of this unceded land and its waters, where we set up shop, create, and call home and come to you from this podcast today. A big shout out to all of the amazing elders who have walked before us, those leading the way in the present, and the emerging leaders who will carry the torch into the future. We're just lucky to be on this journey together.