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A Traveler's Guide to Living Your Best F***ing Life w/ Evan "The Bucket List Specialist" Jones

• Ian Vogel • Episode 4

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After a near-death experience at 27, Evan Jones discovered a profound truth: life is too precious to live inside a box of other people’s limitations.

Now known as The Bucket List Specialist, Evan shares raw insights about transforming personal struggles into a mission of inspiring others.

Explore why your mindset determines everything, how embracing discomfort leads to growth, and why staying connected to your inner child might be the key to living authentically. This conversation serves as a powerful reminder that it's never too late to start living the life you've always imagined.

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00:00 Manifest Your Dreams
00:53 Evan Jones: The Bucket List Specialist
04:52 The Power of Writing Down Goals
10:01 Overcoming Mental Limitations
30:47 The Power of Delayed Gratification
34:26 Mindset and Discipline
36:58 Embracing Life's Uncertainties
40:26 Living Your Bucket List

About the Guest:
Evan Jones' life changed dramatically 13 years ago when a stroke and emergency heart surgery left him with hours to live. That experience sparked a personal transformation that led him to become The Bucket List Specialist.

Recently returned from two months in Thailand, where he lived with monks and received traditional Sak Yant tattoos, Evan combines street wisdom with spiritual insights to help others break free from self-imposed limitations and embrace life's possibilities.

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Evan Jones:

Write it down. Look at it. Manifest it. Look at it. Anything is possible. I got it tattooed right here. It's true the older I get, the more I'm kind of cemented in my ways of being like, I'm not living the way that they want us to live and it kills me when I see my friends or my people I've known for so long and they just living in this tiny, tiny box, some of the stuff on your bucket list, it's gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird to other people, but it's like, I don't know. Experience it. Feel weird. Feel uncomfortable. Do some shit that you're like, I can't believe I just did that. Do it, bro. Like, live your life and be, be a little uncomfortable here, man

HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Camera:

What is up? Welcome to another episode of the Complete Retreat Podcast, where I talk to retreat creators and industry experts about what it takes to create a thriving retreat business. Today's episode is going to be a little different. I interview a good friend of mine, Evan Jones, aka The Bucket List Specialist. Evan's not running his own retreats quite yet, but I have a very strong feeling that he will be in the near future. I wanted to have Evan on because he's got an incredibly inspirational story. And it's a story that I personally resonate with. Him and I have both had near death experiences and have had drastic changes in our lives. In this conversation, Evan and I talk about the impact that those near death experiences had on us, and how it ultimately changed and shaped the course of our lives. Our mental attitude and mindset is everything. It determines literally every aspect of our life. And this is something that Evan and I talk about. How to change your mindset. for that. What beliefs might be holding you back. What beliefs might be pushing you towards the future that you want. And what people can do to really open up their lives and start to live the kind of lives that they want. One of the beautiful things about doing this podcast is that I get to continually have really amazing conversations with people, and I get to share them with the world. And while this may not be the typical podcast that I release with The Complete Retreat, I'm super excited and grateful to be able to share these conversations with everybody because I know people who listen to this are going to get a lot out of it and walk away inspired. So, Let's just get into it.

Ian Vogel:

what's up everybody. Today I have a very special guest, Evan, the Bucket List Specialist Jones. Now, he and I met under some turbulent conditions, literally, on a boat in the Dominican Republic going through some really choppy seas. It was quite an experience for everyone involved, lots of screaming and clutching of the rails of the boat. An experience I will not forget. One of the, great pleasures and joys of that experience was getting to meet Evan on that trip and, two, two fellow travelers on destination and a deserted Island, Dominican is not necessarily deserted, but where we ended up was pretty much a deserted Island beach. So was incredibly beautiful. I had great conversation there and I was. really been looking forward to this conversation and continuing where we left off and, you know, I never really got your backstory. I know a little bit about you and some of the things you've done, but yeah, Evan, if you could kind of tell us a little bit about yourself, what you do, how the name, the bucket list specialist came, what's real with you and what's present with you right now?

Evan Jones:

First of all, it's good to see you again, man. I have to start it by saying I've never met somebody under cooler, more interesting conditions than how I met you on that boat, bro. So we share that moment. And yeah, the bucket list specialist, man, everything's been good. Two months in Thailand. I just did after I saw you in DR, I went the next day to Thailand, got back to Mexico, and now I'm back just in Boston kind of working on Dot Miles and crossing my Ts and really getting this business launched. Off the ground for me. But yeah, the bucket list specialist it's a crazy story and it could take the whole hour. So I'm gonna try to chop it up into a little five minute thing. But 13 years ago I had a stroke, you know, and a blood clot in my leg. I lost my left eye, had a immediate heart surgery that night. I get to the hospital. They're telling me, you know, Mr. Jones, you got six hours to live. we gotta fix you up. And I'm looking at them thinking. What are you talking about, man? So I had my heart surgery. I went through this really crazy experience. I went through actually a lot of years of kind of darkness after that. You know what I'm saying? Just kind of just feeling life was so precious. But when I came out of the surgery I do music too. And I immediately felt different. Immediately when I woke up out of the surgery and I started going by the phoenix musically, you know rise out of the ashes I got my phoenix tat right here. And as I started getting back to living life, man I started having this crazy urge to just Almost to a ridiculous level of doing as much as I can with life while I'm here and it became this obsession for me and a couple years ago, I was just sitting there kind of thinking about everything and thinking about this. I always wear world stuff. I love planes. I'm obsessed with travel. And I just thinking like, where could I take this? And I started realizing like, I'm going to start just writing out my bucket list. You know what I'm saying? Really writing it out like on these poster boards, you know, and just really putting down what I would want from my life. And I started getting obsessed with checking these things off my bucket list. You know, I got the, I got the green check tattoo. It's like an obsession, but after a while I started realizing like, this is amazing, but where would I take it after that? And I'm like, damn, I want to check. I want to help other people. Check stuff off their bucket list and then as short as I can keep it, I would love to turn this into almost like a make a wish foundation one day when we're going to hospitals and we're helping people, kids who are in a situation that I was in, where I know how it feels to be that close to the afterlife. You know what I mean? And then come in and be the spokesman for. Sick kids in the hospital and be that guy. So one part of it is me doing everything off my bucket list, which is really cool. I recommend everybody does it. You put stuff down instead of just thinking it in your head. It makes it way more realer of a thing for you in it. And it's kind of looking at these papers thinking that's what I want from my life, Cause the bucket list is things you want to do and what you want from a relationship. you want to buy property put it On the list and then to sit back have a drink smoke a drink whatever your focus is and just look at it and think damn those are the things I want. So let's like let's get to it. Let's just start checking it off, man So I

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Evan Jones:

yeah, it all started from a health issue almost dying Turn it into this whole Phoenix bucket list thing that I really, enjoy doing, man. And I've done some stuff with people where I'm helping them, check something off their bucket list. And I really liked the feeling I get seeing somebody be like, damn, I've never done this before. And that genuine smile. And I just feel like this kind of feels like what I was put here for. like Anthony Bourdain, and it's crazy to say, right? Much respect for Anthony Bourdain. Rest in peace, man. But I always saw him as my competition, and I'm actually upset that I never got to sit and talk with him and tell him this, but like, I feel like he could have took it up another notch, and he did a lot. I'm not talking shit about Bourdain, but I want to take whatever he was doing up to another level and bring other people in to be like, yo, let's live life, man. For this little short wrinkle in time that we walk this earth, man, let's enjoy the shit out of it. So that's what the Bucket List Specialist represents. Checking things off your list, living your life, enjoying yourself, taking your life back, and making it less about like, Man, I got work. Man, I got trouble with my girl. You know, this, that, or the third, and then thinking about it like, Nah, at the end of this month, I'm, bungee jumping, and whatever, you know, and you can make, it makes life more interesting.

Ian Vogel:

that's super beautiful. I love the, sentiment of, not only doing this for yourself and enjoying your time while you're here and getting the most out of this really short period of time that we call life. beyond just the personal experience of that, helping to bring others into that and helping to satisfy and fulfill other people's dreams. And man, especially the sick kids and kids in hospitals. I personally have a history of working in the healthcare system for a period of time, I was a dialysis technician working with terminally ill people for the most part, there were times where you could just see it in their eyes, people who were getting towards the end of their life. people who on paper, they might have everything, they had families, they had money, they had everything they need, but I could see in their eyes. That there was a longing to go back a wish that they could have done more that they, while they had the time and the opportunity to do that. So man, helping other people have that experience as well, in addition to what you're already doing, I think is, super powerful. And, I'd love to hear about. some of the experiences that you've had and, thus far up to this point, he said, it's a relatively new kind of venture, something you're trying to really step into and, create. And my sense is that it's something that's is just coming through you. It's not necessarily a conscious thing that you're, you're sitting down and you're scheming every little thing you can do, but this is something you're a conduit for God, for the spirit to let this come through and, become the bucket list specialist. So I, I, I'm curious what your experience has been like walking other people through that. And when did that spark? Happen. What were that you had decided, I want not only for myself, but do this for other people too.

Evan Jones:

I feel everything you just said, and I want to make sure I answer it all on point. Like I do agree. so one big thing before I jump into like what I did for other people, I gotta say is like, for me When I was feeling so bad about everything, I didn't know what to do I didn't know what to feel, whatever. But once I started doing this again and looking for these checks, man, it started making me feel alive. And it's like, just a feeling that I think everybody should embrace. And it's not just for people who went through a medical thing. Life is tough. Just walking these roads day to day is a hard thing, going to work, having family, having relationships. So I want to clarify too that the bucket list is not just for people who are dying or people who had a really bad thing. The bucket list is for literally everyone in the world, rich, poor, like you said. I've met a lot of miserable rich people and I've met a lot of happy poor people, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to find a medium for everybody where you can be like, let me enjoy my life. let me get back to what I was saying about, I have a friend, man. He's a dude that lives in Boston. he's a street guy. You know what I'm saying? He's been to prison a lot of his life. He's one of my best friends since I was a kid he never really lived his life. And he just found out a year ago that he was dying basically a kidney failure. And he doesn't know when this is going to happen, what the situation is, but he went straight into depression. Like most of us would. And I started telling him, yo, bro, like I kind of been through this. Like, I mean, kind of. Help you out. I was giving him advice and I was saying, what do you want to do? Like, say this was the end. What do you want to do? And it's crazy. Cause the first thing we did together was he had never been to a Red Sox game. And he's from Boston. So this is a thing that I could dive into for a long time too, is the mentality that a lot of us have, that we were taught to have is just like, you get so stuck in your life. You don't even do almost regular stuff that you would expect somebody to do. If you're a Red Sox fan and you live in Boston, you would expect that you've been to Fenway Park, right? You would, that's a bucket list thing. It's in every bucket list book, but. No, this guy, Red Sox fan, 40 years old, never been to a Red Sox game. I took him there and it's just like sitting there with my boy and watching his face while we do the wave and sing Sweet Caroline. It's like seeing somebody at that genuine happiness where there's no Bullshit. They're not trying to sugarcoat anything. They're not trying to front for anybody. And it's just like when you're doing a bucket list check, something you really always want to do. You see this pureness in people. I feel it in myself when I do it where you almost feel like a kid again. And to see that in other people makes me so happy, man. Like, my mom, I'm taking her to Paris. In November, she got hooked on Paris off this Emily in Paris show, right? It's like years ago, right? And the second season just came out. So she's like, I want to go to Paris. So especially with my mom or anybody that you know, is getting up in age, I really kind of focus on that first. Cause it's like, look, bro, anything that people want to do, I'm down to do it with him. And I was just in Thailand me and my buddy, 24 year old kid from Canada. I met him living with the monks. In the monastery out in Thailand, but we ended up being really close and we both. Got Sakya tattoos by the monk in a temple with the the bamboo tattoo type thing with no

Ian Vogel:

I saw that, I've got a bunch of tattoos, so you're kind of in the middle of something, but like, I, I wanna talk more about that'cause I look badass.

Evan Jones:

we're gonna dive into that but that was on I didn't even know it existed You know what I mean? Like I was out there and this guy keeps talking about these tattoos. I knew it existed because like we all heard Angelina Jolie got her tattoo back in the day. That was the only time I ever heard of it. Like the no machine tattoo. Then when he started saying it, I'm like, Oh, of course, bro. I'll get a sock out with you. You know, that sounds amazing. That sounds like a bucket list check. And I have a section that's for recommendations, you know? So that was another check I did with somebody just to And it ended up being a check for me, too. I'm like, man, I never would've thought of that. But I just never have thought of that. So, now I got this amazing tattoo. I shared this experience with this guy. We got this bucket list check together forever. It's like, For a long time, I didn't know what I was here for. I was doing music. I'm working in the service industry. I'm doing security. I'm doing all this thing. And then what made me want to turn this into stuff for other people is, kind of crazy. And it kind of fits the subject, the name, especially of the show. But one of my really good friends had passed, his name was Jonathan. Right. And We did mushrooms together a lot, and you would always just stare at the ceiling. And I'm like, What world are you in, bro? Like, we would have really good conversations, though. And it had just been a year of his passing, and I wanted to kind of connect with him. I don't know if that's possible, but I wanted to, like, Take some shroomies and kind of sit there and look at the ceiling and see if I felt my boy in any way And literally I can't make this up. That was the night that I came up with the bucket list specialist idea to do it with other people Really taking it to the next level. So it was some afterlife shit if i'm being honest with you It was really me and him having this moment with my friend who passed a year ago and I felt like he was in the room with me and Something about when I woke up the next day. I already knew like i'm the bucket list specialist It hadn't even been thought of until that day. So it's a really weird answer, I'm sure, but it's the, truth, you know?

Ian Vogel:

Well, you're speaking to someone who's done more than his fair share of mushrooms and that's something that you and I connected on. I When people say things like that to me and they're like, this is gonna sound weird, but. And they say their thing. my, my response is always my weird meter is broken. could probably surprise me, I'm sure there's a way, but at this point I've had a lot of experiences and, you know. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility, especially when you, when you inject something like mushrooms or a plant medicine, like the boundaries on reality expand very far in every direction, including inward. So that's, that's really beautiful. And thank you for sharing. I've had some really profound experiences connecting with past loved ones in that same context and working with. Working with mushrooms. Yeah.

Evan Jones:

Yeah, man. I love my portabellos, man. You know? Ha ha ha. Them shits is amazing. Yeah.

Ian Vogel:

yeah, the right place, right time with the right intention, you know, I think what you mentioned there, surrounding that experience, it was the context that you went into it with a certain intention. And I think that's huge for people. if you're going to work with those sorts of medicines or, you know, entheogens, psychedelics, whatever you want to call them. Like the more. thoughtful you are, the more intentional you are, the more your result is probably going to be closer to your desired outcome.

Evan Jones:

A hundred percent.

Ian Vogel:

Off the top of my head, There's I think three different kind of paths I've taken in life or specific pivots I've made after large mushroom journeys. And you know, something, will become crystal clear. You'll have a connection, like somehow things will connect in your brain or your mind or your spirit. It's like, Oh, yesterday I was doing this and today I'm doing something different. And you just never look back. So I'm sure Jonathan had a part to play in the evolution of the Bucket List Specialist, and I'm sure he's smiling down on you and, cheering you on every, time you check something off the list.

Evan Jones:

Thank you, my brother. Yeah, I think so too, man. I have a very interesting connection with all of that. So connected at this point for me, you know what I mean? I got his picture up over my little bucket list sanctuary. So he's definitely a part of it. and I like to thank mushrooms for bridging the gap between us, you know what I mean? wherever he's at, wherever I'm at, it just felt like we were in the same room for that night together. And I haven't felt that close to anything in the afterlife ever since or before that. So it was a really profound moment for me. And it makes me really happy to tell the story because now that I feel like the bucket list specialist is my life. I'm like, man, what a, way to figure that out.

Ian Vogel:

yeah. I always think back to the words of Terrence McKenna, I'm going to paraphrase his quote, but he always said something along the lines of, if you don't talk about your experiences, With psychedelics that had a profound impact on your life. You're doing the man's work for him. And

Evan Jones:

I like that. I never heard that.

Ian Vogel:

as soon as I heard that, it just clicked. I'm like, and I'm just like, okay, yeah, I'm totally out of the closet. Like I'm not doing the man's work for him. I'm not going to help him suppress all the potential healing and goodness that these different plant medicines can do. So I'm fully out of the closet when it comes to, when it comes to that. In talking about intentionality now, I think writing down your bucket list, what you mentioned earlier is incredibly important. And, not just in the context of bucket list, but in with goals and thinking about where you want to be in the future, like taking the time to bring your thoughts and ideas to manifest it on a piece of paper. That's like the first step. And it helps you, it helps get clarity and it helps you get all the stuff that's floating around in your head on the paper. And then when you can see it, quite literally, when you can see your goal on a piece of paper, it activates different parts of your brain. So, initiates a process that, that I think a lot of people don't give it enough emphasis on writing things down and clarifying your goals and writing down your bucket list.

Evan Jones:

100%. I agree with that 100%. Without a doubt. You know what I mean? It's like, I've gotten to the point where I wake up every day the night before, I'll write down on like a piece of paper to the pharmacy And it's something about checking shit. I've become obsessed with checks, obviously, right? But it's such an interesting difference between just thinking, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. Then you get distracted. Then the game comes on. Then you're talking with your friend. And the next day you wake up like, wait, what was I going to do? Like, no, no, no. Write that down, bro. How that ready? And it might seem kind of silly. But check it off. And then at the end of the day, before you crumple that paper, I'd be like, I did all seven of the things I was supposed to do. Clack, clack, clack. Some days you only did five. Okay, write this last two on the next day's piece of paper. It's not a big deal. You know what I mean? But I believe it's very important to put all your goals. I got a vision board in my room. I got all that, I'm big on all that because I think it's important to remember. What you want. So many distractions in the world, man. And the craziest part is I got to give credit where it's due. I got the idea to actually write my bucket list down from a YouTube video. And it was like a six year old girl. And it had popped up on my feed cause I follow a lot of bucket list stuff. And it was like this girl's just saying, I don't know why people don't do it more, but you should really write your bucket list down. And I kind of like paused it and then I brought it back and I watched it again. And I'm like, damn, this little girl just. I'm like, so that night I got out like a little paper and started writing them down, kept writing them down and turned into, I got like, I'm up to 10 poster boards and I keep them on easels. So I'm like a mad scientist I got this pointer, man, I be in there. I'm thinking about it. I'm writing it down. It's just really like liberating about being like this is what I want because okay So this is part of my pitch. let me get if I was to meet you on a boat or in DR wherever we meet I would say like Bro, we get so caught up in family relationships work, let's just take those three at first, right? So, a lot of the time if you're in a relationship or you're married, it's not always about what does Ian want, what does Evan want, it's like what do we want, right? If you got kids, multiply that, right? If you uh, really care about your job, boom, boom, multiply that. So, my thing is if I was able to walk up to somebody and I could see they might be successful, but they look alone, right? Down, they look a little unalive and, I would just say like are you getting time for you to do the stuff in your life that matters? You know what I mean? Like for real, because everybody has a personal bucket list. You can even have a couple's bucket list. No problem. But you still have to have your own things because there's no way that two people's bucket lists are identical all the way through. So there's this stuff that we personally want to. Tribe, food wise, activity wise, sexual wise, who knows, but I just think it's very important for everybody to personally think of what they want without any distractions from family, relationships, work, et cetera. Like, you know, I would never want somebody to be like, Oh, I'm not writing that on my bucket list. Cause I'll never have money like that. Like, no. Write it down. Look at it. Manifest it. Look at it. Anything is possible. I got it tattooed right here. It's true. You know what I mean? So, that's a little pitch I do as far as, do you do things for you? Ian, Evan, the listeners, whoever's watching, do you do stuff for you? For real, for real. Cause I'm a real agreeable person. If I'm on a date, brother and the girl I'm with is like, Oh, do you want the Mac and cheese or the potatoes or whatever? I'll be like, whatever you like, you know, I really don't mind, but there's certain things that should be specifically like, this is what I want. So my day to day life, I'm very agreeable with people. I could be with my mom and she'd be like, let's get the salmon. I could have wanted something different, but I'd be like, I love salmon. Why not? But with the bucket list, That's a very personal experience. So I think everybody should like try that out. You know what I mean, it's liberating.

Ian Vogel:

I couldn't agree more. There is something about having your own mental space, your own physical space, where you can just be authentically you and feel free like you said, without the outside world creeping in and influencing your decisions, If that's all you know is, people pleasing and adjusting yourself based, on the needs of people around you, then it's really hard to know yourself and to really be happy. and if you don't know yourself and you aren't going towards what you want, and sometimes what you want may coincide with what other people want, be it a relationship or work or whatever that is. And it usually does in some contexts and that's great. And

Evan Jones:

man.

Ian Vogel:

It's super important to give yourself the space to sit down and figure out what you want for yourself specifically. And writing it down, it's funny when he brought up the YouTube video of the little girl, because there's a a motivational speaker. He studied success habits for a long time. His name is Brian Tracy, this old school guy. And he talks about the power of writing things down and he. quotes a study that was done by Yale or one of these big Ivy League schools where people who wrote down their financial goals were 10 times more likely to achieve them than people who didn't this was like a 30 year long study and they were like the graduating classes whatever school that was. they would stay in touch with them and, track these things. And for, 30 years, they, stayed in touch with these people. and they came up with that statistic, like, Oh, the people who wrote down their goals, specifically when it comes to the finance and their financial goals, 10 times more likely to reach them if they were written down. what you're saying, there is this aspect of, yeah, write it down and then you can manifest it. And there have been some legitimate studies that back that up. It's not just woo. It's not just, happy thoughts and, thinking happy thoughts. Whether or not we're aware of them, there are mechanisms that we put in place and this energetic flow of our energy when you continuously see the same, list and like the same goals over and over again, does something. And even though we might not be able to pinpoint exactly what that is. Most people will agree that, you know, on some level they, believe that to be true, yet so few people actually do it.

Evan Jones:

Yeah. No, it's very interesting, man. it's the same way though that like, One, thank you for that fact because I'm literally about to start using that in conversations. That's a huge thing to know. I didn't even know that. See, I learned something new every day. So that's an interesting study that they did. And I think the same effect has. On people who don't do stuff. It's like me personally, I'm doing right now is completely out of the norm. I'm supposed to be doing how I grew up, my family's money, low income, all that stuff. Like we're supposed to be worker bees, right? We're supposed to follow the system. I'm not going to get too like fight club in here, but I'm like, look, we're supposed to do this. We're supposed to do that. I feel like you taking your life back is completely. against what we were taught. So I talk about this with a lot of people, the bucket list, the mindset, the whole thing, the monastery and a lot of my friends I grew up with here. They look at me like I got three heads and it takes a lot to try to get the conversation even on the right path because it's so out of the ordinary for this person to be able to think I could go to Thailand for two months. You know what I mean? So, but when they see me go do it, the How did he do it, the same way that these people that wrote it down, they know that life, they know that world, whoever was in that study, they're part of that. But the other people who don't know that, those are the ones also that I'm trying to be like, y'all need to write it down, man, because that percentage gets it. And there's a whole community that totally understands the writing it down, doing your goals. And then there's a whole other side, which is more my side, where I come from, They don't not only do that, no one in their family does it. I have friends that never been on a plane, my age, you know what I mean? So it's, it's a big point for me is to kind of break the mindset that I already broke for myself. I've always been in love. Different, but the older I get, the more I'm kind of cemented in my ways of being like, I'm not living the way that they want us to live and it kills me when I see my friends or my people I've known for so long and they just living in this tiny, tiny box, you know? And that was a little off subject, but it's totally on subject. You know what I'm

Ian Vogel:

Yeah, yeah, and, and I can really relate to that, man. I, I, had a moment, oh man, this must have been 2017, I was on a bus in Chile going through the mountains on the bus and kind of in the middle of nowhere, looking out the window thinking, how the hell did I get here? what is happening with my life? Like, this is awesome, I'm getting to travel. South America backpack and my mother's from Chile. So I have a lot of family there. So getting to see all these long lost family members and just have this great time. And, but yet I'm here all by myself and I was just started thinking back and it's like, I always knew that I could do it in leading up to that trip. I had never taken a trip like that by myself, like a backpacking trip like that by myself. And there were people, specifically people in my family who were like, You can't do that. You're going to get robbed. You don't have enough money. How are you going to Uh, This reason, this reason, this reason why you can't do this, and this, like, there's all these reasons why I couldn't do it. and remember, I was sitting on this bus, and I was like, Everybody was telling me I couldn't, well not everybody, but there were a lot of people, people who were close to me, who were telling me I couldn't do this, yet here I am. Why is that? just dawned on me, it's like, oh, they have no idea what I am capable of. The only reason that they were telling me that I couldn't do the thing was because that's what they believed about themselves.

Evan Jones:

Amen, brother. Amen. Amen. That's, I wish I had a bell or something to ring.'cause that's, you just keep going, but Yeah.

Ian Vogel:

it's just like, it clicked. And like tears started rolling down my face. I just believe in myself and I can just do a simple Google search and figure, like, I believe that I can figure it out. It's not hard

Evan Jones:

right?

Ian Vogel:

really. Once you stop and think about it. The hard part is, moving past your own mental limitations. That's the real boundary. And that's a real difficult thing for people. And yeah, I remember, I'll never forget sitting on that bus, just sat, just like crying. And, Oh, like those, people were just projecting their own thing onto me because that's all they know. That's the only frame of reference they know. they can't fit my vision of my life into their box. their box is one foot by one foot. And the vision that I have for my life is huge and it just doesn't fit. I felt so much relief and it's like, I can really do anything I want to do. And if I could do anything I want to do. Anybody can do anything they want to do.

Evan Jones:

It's a good feeling, man. It's a beautiful, pure feeling. Now, I, every single word you just said, I related to in like a very deep way. I've been in those same experiences with very close people in my life where it's just, they're looking at me like I'm crazy. And you have these moments in your life on that bus where it's like, it's a really nice feeling when you realize yourself like, I'm not crazy. You know what I mean? Like, this is doable. Not only is this doable, I can do whatever I want. I say that, those couple words to my friends all the time. I have friends who still don't have passports. And they say, yo E, I just saw you traveling, I'm gonna order my passport. And I always say the same thing, I say, my brother, you get that passport, we can do whatever we want. It's like a big thing. My tattoo, one of my big things in my company is, You don't need to be rich to travel the world. That's like my original saying don't and that's part of the bucket list specialist thing as well that I'm gonna be bringing the people is Teaching people about like bro. I've never had money like that and people have always been scratching their heads thinking why you traveling Simple, right? I say this on everybody I talk to, but we all have habits. Everybody has things they spend money on. If you decide, yo, I want to go here, I want to go here, I want to go here, and you really lock it in your mind, say you plan a trip, bro, you only got to put away a couple hundred every week, every paycheck. To be able to do this probably bucket list check trip that you wanted. Now, if you go out to dinner every night and you, spending too much money on this and you bought this, you shouldn't have bought, no, you probably can't go on a vacation, but if you're disciplined, delayed gratification is what my boy always says is like, yo, if you know what you want, same with working out, same with mental and soul journey, if you know where you're headed, you don't worry about how you're going to get there. You know, you're going to get there. So I have a whole thing about that too. You know what I mean? So. It's interesting, man. Ha, ha,

Ian Vogel:

Yeah. What comes up for me when you say that, cause I've had a, again, I've had a very similar experience. I was living in Las Vegas, working at a dispensary, making good tips at the time, like all the tips. I'm going to just save and save and save and save. And I'm going to go down and go to Columbia for six weeks. And my coworkers were like, Hey, do you want to go out after afterwards? We all made a hundred dollars in tips this evening. We're all going to go out for a nice dinner. I'm like, yeah, I think I'll just go back to my place. Having done that for, I don't know, three, four months, finally get home and I look and I open up my little stash and it's full of 20 bills and a few hundreds in there. I was like, damn, I guess I'm going to Columbia. And then all the people who I was working with, it was like, Oh, I just bought my ticket to Columbia. I'd been talking about it for a couple of months. They're like, And it gets down to that day and I'm about to take off. They're like, Oh, you're so lucky that you get to go to Columbia. They're like, I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's nothing lucky about, me skipping out those fancy dinners and nothing lucky about me. living reasonably and being disciplined, nothing lucky about me researching the trip. Luck didn't buy my plane ticket. Luck didn't, reserve the hostel I'm going to stay in. am, I'm grateful. And I'm very fortunate that I'm going to be able to, go on this experience. And a lot of, very deliberate and intentional choices. That went into me being able to do this thing that, y'all are calling me lucky. So like, Oh, hell no, not luck here. Like that's just not it.

Evan Jones:

it's not, it's not even close. but in their mind, it's so crazy. This magic trick that you're doing is like, yo, dog, take a second. Look at the blueprint here. It's actually really easy to keep up with how I got to this point. And the crazy thing, I am pretty 99 percent sure that you've had plenty nights drinking with the same dudes, having dinners with us. Now, like you missed out, you know, what the night was, you ate food, you drank. It's fun. I get it. But it's like, dog, how many times are you going to do that before? I'm like, I want to do that in Mexico, I want to do that in Columbia. I want to do that in fucking Brazil, whatever you want to do. It's just, I know with my people, I've had similar situations where I'm like, I'm gonna go here. And they're just like, yeah, I, yeah, that sounds dope. I'm like, no, for real. I'm gonna go there. And they're like, yeah. And then that night, like you said, yo, let's go, let's get, I'm gonna get this bottle. And I'm thinking one, I got a drink at the crib. I'll go home. Light one up have a drink. I don't need to it's game planning. You know what i'm saying? And I also think in my mind, I've been out with y'all 20 times. I know exactly what it is. It's beautiful check Love it. But why would I not try to take it up a level now? You know so I can just relate to what you're saying because i've said no to many nights and many things i've wanted to buy or throw in on just because i'm like That doesn't fit the doesn't fit the plan bro. You know i'm saying it's gonna throw me way off track doing that. So You you really want it, you can do it. It's the same way we look at these athletes, right? When we were in high school, they was training all the time. We was chilling, bullshitting, talking to girls, smoking something, trying to be cool. And it's like, they wanted it. They really wanted it. So if you really want to go on a trip, you can go on a trip. It's actually not as hard as people think. It's this mindset. It's the mindset, bro.

Ian Vogel:

Yeah. Yeah.

Evan Jones:

I know,

Ian Vogel:

Go ahead.

Evan Jones:

my bad, last thing on that subject. Man, I know people, three times the money I got in my bank account, that never go on vacation. And they're like, Wow, man, I don't know how you do it. I'm thinking, You drive an Audi, you do this, you choose what you want to do. You know, if your money is too much for that beautiful car you got, But that was your choice. My choice. I could have a nice car like that too, but I want to go, you know, around the world. So. We all make our decisions what's important to us. So it's nothing lucky or magical about it. It's like, yo, bro, they sell tickets on planes every day. There's a plane flying out right now, flying out in 20 minutes. There's a plane flying out in 45 minutes and it's probably full. So it's like, bro, there's nothing lucky about this. There's plenty of people doing this shit too. It's just, I know a lot of people that are still kind of in that. what you're doing is impossible. I'm like, I tell him the same thing, bro. I do free consultations. Like man, sit down, hear what I'm saying to you. It's not that difficult. and I don't want to sugar coat anything. Look, life is hard. Boom, boom, boom. We all know that. I'm talking about if you really want to take a trip, it's actually pretty doable. That's why I do it all the fucking time. Cause I'm like, listen, bro, life is short. Life is shorter than people think too. I think still in people's minds, they'll be like, nah, I don't think like that. I think you do. I think most people in their mind believe they're going to be like a hundred years old, if not what 99. One on one people have this weird mindset that like, you can't just done, boom, gone, and it bothers me in a little bit of a way. Cause I see the nonchalantness about how to use their time. And it's just like, I'll get to that. I'll do it. And I'm like, yeah, we'll see, you know, God willing, brother, you know what I'm saying? Shit is not as guaranteed as people think. And I think that mindset is the reason I'm so like, nah, bro, I'm not just going to wait around, and do it later, My mom got a friend. She's like 70, my mom's 70 and she still does stuff with me, but her friend, man, her body started getting going on it. So she can't do everything. And I'm thinking, I hope personally that she got to live her life as much as she could before that, because bro, you don't know. You truly don't know what's In your future as far as things that might get in the way of you being able to do it So i'm just like your life man. Trust me. This is

Ian Vogel:

that's super important. And something that I've lived by myself, I've had a few calls, close calls. he said 13 years ago, you had a pretty close call. I had one about 13 years ago. It was December of 2011. I had a really close call with a really serious medical thing that came up in my life. And, yeah, I've talked about it another podcast and it's like, I very nearly died ended up spending a couple of days in the hospital, almost died of internal bleeding and just that was like. Something switched. I was like, okay, what I'm doing now, life could have been over last night had I not gotten, went to the hospital. Had I not chose to go drive my ass to the emergency room, I would have never gotten out of bed. And thank goodness I did. And now what am I going to do? I'm not going to keep doing the things that I was doing before, Because, that wasn't working, I wasn't happy. So, I left a very cushy, well paying management position in a fortune 500 company to move to Colorado and pursue what I wanted to do, just like up and left everything completely switched my life around. And to what you doesn't, it doesn't require money, significant portion of the money to. To check things off your bucket list and to do the things that you really want to do, it requires a plan and discipline and a willingness to sometimes go out of your comfort zone. It's like, how bad do you want it? are you willing to take that 24 hour bus ride from Bogota to Putumayo, Columbia while you're throwing up in a little bag? Because you ate something wrong and you got food poisoning. are you willing to sleep in a hostel, in a dormitory where there's a bunch of different people in there and there's, it's might be kind of loud and it's going to be cheap, but. how far are you willing to go out of your comfort zone do the thing that you say you want to do, or do you expect it just to happen to you? Because if that's what you're expecting, that life, is just going to put it in your lap. All you have to say is I want it. And not take any action if life is just going to give it to you. If that's your expectation, then have fun with that because there's another side to the law of attraction. I've heard it called law of Goya the law of get off your ass, like the law of action and the law of attraction, you can't have one without the other. And, there's got to be a balance in that. So down on the list and then, starting to take actions to do that thing.

Evan Jones:

I've been, this is why I think, this is why I think I was made. This is part of the reason from your original question too, is like what made me feel like the bucket list specialist was me or whatever. It's like, I've been that guy. I can relate and I can try to help them as best I can. I've been the guy. That's like, life should just bring me what I want. It's me. I should get what I want, I had that mentality for like half my life. You know what I mean? So it's like, I see people like that and it's almost like. But you can't lie to me. I know cause I've been you. That's why I feel like an extra passion towards helping people like that. Cause it's really, like, you know, like you talk about it's just, I know more people like that than I know that are on the, that third eye mindset, that open mind, like, let's live this life. So it's extra personal. You know what I mean? Cause I've been that guy. I've been that guy that's just, Kind of sitting there like, Oh, things will work out. Things should work out. You know, things should go exactly how I want. Cause I want it that way. And, it's not how life works, bro. It's not how it works. So one of my big things is I feel like I can relate to people like that. Cause I'm like, I truly understand that mindset as. unproductive and terrible as that is. It's like, no, I've had that mindset for a long time. You know what I mean? And when you do get inspired and you start writing shit down and you start doing this, it sounds so silly, bro, but me and you could go to Brazil, right? And we'll go do this. Some members of, I forget the desert off the text you later, but there's a place in the desert in Brazil where there's like this amount of water. That's ridiculous. It's like, you can go swimming in the desert, run down the sand Hill, hop in the thing. Look, we would have the time of our lives. One part that's almost equally as important to me Is this green check? I want these green checks. I like looking at them and sometimes seeing like damn I did that because life moves quickly and sometimes you start forgetting about things you've done that mattered to you. It happened. It's happened to me. And you look back like, no, no, no, no, no. I've been doing it. I've been living life and it's Another reason why the bucket list is a good reminder, writing your stuff down. Those green checks, they actually feel really good. Checking that off is like, damn, I really just did that. And now that memory is just, you got it, you did, you did it., and another reminder, like you were saying earlier, I can do these things. I went skydiving, you know, I went hang gliding, swim with dolphins. Romeo and Juliet wall in Paris, you look at this and you're like, I did that. When somebody tells you what you're doing is crazy. You kind of look at the list like, yeah, I'm crazy. Right. You know what I mean?

Ian Vogel:

I really love what you're doing with the, with those flip boards, like the fact, that it's there it's a subconscious reminder that I did these things, it's like, nothing's crazy. Look at all the things I already did, and it gives you like fuel to be able to do more and open up. And man, I think, it comes to, having these conversations with people, and talking to people in our lives who are, or maybe closed off and don't have that mindset of like, yes, I can do, or yes, I've, I'm going to pursue the thing that I want to pursue, ultimately people have to make their own choices and they're going to be responsible. In the end for the choices that they make in, the outcomes that they get, but I think one of the things, that we can do like you and I and anybody who's listening to this. Is lead by example, just lead by example. You don't necessarily have to tell everybody that's that you've got this big bucket list and I'm going to do all this and this and this and this, like, that's great. If you feel called to do that, that's super cool. And like, what really matters is you're doing the thing and leading by example. And, if you say you're going to do it, come up with a plan, do the thing. And., there's no amount of words is going to change the mind of somebody, who's locked into. No, I can't do that. No, that's crazy. What is going to change their mind is them seeing pictures of you on Instagram, you know, uh, and Machu Picchu or snorkeling in the Bahamas or whatever it is. Like, or you come back, with a new crazy tattoo that was hand poked on your back, by a monk or you come back from Nepal, with this, with this crazy tattoo on your neck and people are like, Oh, you did the thing it is undeniable and we all have the ability to make these things undeniable, not only for ourselves we could do it for ourselves and we should do these things for ourselves. And an additional component to that is that when people around you start to see you doing these things, it's going to loosen up their model of the world. And it's going to, it's going to start to shake. Those ingrained thought patterns in this, I can't mentality. It's going to really start to challenge that in a way that would have never been challenged to that capacity. had you not actually

Evan Jones:

You're right.

Ian Vogel:

the thing.

Evan Jones:

You're right. You're right, man. It's you know, we're planners, right? We like to plan. It's a thing of mine. I love to plan, but I knew, you know, I just did my two months in Thailand and all that. I knew that being out there that long, somewhere so foreign to most of these people, that's why I had thinking, what, Thailand? And it worked. Some of my biggest doubters have texted me over the past month and being like kind of asking me questions now. What's going on? You really just traveling like that? I'm like, there we go. Let's open the conversation. But it has to be like you said, they have to see you doing some outrageous shit to even catch their attention and be like, they're doing that, like, bro, I've been telling you I'm doing this. So it's like, it's felt really good. In the past month for three weeks or whatever, I've had a lot of people kind of reach out to me, asking me questions, asking for consultations that I know at the beginning of this was looking at me crazy as shit. Like, what are you talking about? And now they're interested. And I'm like, Let's get there. Now we're there. I'm cool with all the other stuff. Like, yeah, you didn't believe in me at the beginning. I'm not one of those people. I don't care about that. The fact, if you want to sit down now and talk about it, I feel like it's such a major success. And also, in that, just give people time. Let them see what you're doing. You know what I mean? I'm one of those, I want people to know immediately what I'm talking about. But this is one of them situations. Real time in my life where I'm letting this whole idea marinate. I'm not rushing anything about it. I'm not rushing anybody to understand it. I'm more like, look, this shit came to me one night, tripping shrooms with my dead friend. And I'm still trying to make sense of it and anybody I can get. On board and try to live this bucket list life. So I just feel like that's what I'm here for brother That's my calling at this point. I feel this weird sense of calm over me ever since I figured that out like man That's what i'm here for and i'm here for the ride I hope one day we're sitting on a podcast again and you're like, wow, you were just on Good morning America, I'll be like, hey, you know, hey. But I'm also here for, no matter what, this is my bucket list, it's a win win, No matter what happens, this is what I want for my life. So no matter what accolades or money I get from it,, This is what I want anyway. And anybody I can help along the way and just be like, you know, I have a saying all the time, it's from step brothers, the movie with Will Ferrell. Don't lose your dinosaur, right? It's a big part of the bucket list. It's huge for me. I have the picture in my room. My brother has the same picture in his room in Sweden. We all have that inner child inside of us. And that's where you have to dig in for the bucket list, right? It's not about like 40 year old, you a 30 year old, you like, no, I'm stressed with bills. No, man. Did you ever want to like Have 12 ice cream cones in one day at a football game. Like, try to go deep into, like, your dinosaur. So don't lose your dinosaur. I think that's one of the big things I got to say about the Bucket List, about me, about life, about any advice I would give anybody. It's like, don't lose the inner kid in you, man. You know, it's like, I think the best adults are the people who still have that. They didn't let go of who they were as a child, because why would you? You know what I mean? So, I'm 40 years old, my brother. I turned 40 years old playing with Thailand. And I feel better at 40 than I did at 30. So it's like, life is a funny thing, man. And I'm gonna really ride this wave, bro, and try to get as many people to surf with me. Like, I know it's unorthodox, right? That's a big word that would describe me. Everything I'm doing is very unorthodox. And I'm like, I don't care. I really don't give a fuck because it feels good. And whenever I try to draw inside the lines, I hate the way the picture looks. I like scribbling all over the paper and making my own picture. So don't lose your dinosaur. Don't draw inside the lines.

Ian Vogel:

That was really good. And honestly, it touched me. I felt that

Evan Jones:

Like she was from the heart,

Ian Vogel:

Yeah.

Evan Jones:

like,

Ian Vogel:

Yeah. When I was a little kid, I loved dinosaurs and my, parents and my, family members, they still talk about it. Like all these dinosaurs I had everywhere, dinosaur coloring books. So I felt like there was a special message in that for me. And, yeah, staying connected to your, inner child, and knowing that that's always there inside of you, you know, life, life happens and things happen. We accumulate traumas. you know, situations happen and. There is an aspect of ourselves that can get buried under all that stuff, but just because it's buried doesn't mean it's gone., and sometimes it takes something like a near death experience or the loss of a loved one or the loss of the unexpected. loss of somebody close to you, to peel back those layers and to expose that inner child and it's like, okay, yeah I'm still here, there's still fun things that I want to do. Like life can be a joy and not only can it be a joy, it's totally within our control and life was made to be a joy. And, yeah.

Evan Jones:

is hard to hold on to. I don't want to sugarcoat it like shit. We all know. We got our stories, but I'm like Don't let it beat you. Don't let it beat you, bro. That, that's your life. That's your life. This is my life. I'm like, you ain't gonna beat me. Whoever my adversary is, probably me. Not gonna beat me, like, that mindset is not gonna beat me. One thing I gotta say about the monastery with the monks that I tell people, that's like my number one thing I tell them. When we were there and I was living with them, I realized, like, I liked that they were so honest with it. They didn't sugarcoat anything and they kept saying, like, Life is full of pain. Life is full of suffering. It's up to you to learn how to deal with the suffering in a healthy way for you. And I'm like. Damn, I love when people are real, you know, don't beat around the bush. Tell me your life is hard. Thank you Now we're being honest now. They say your life is hard. It's up to you to learn how to do this thing That feels good for you. So Maybe they don't like doing bucket list shit, but I think no matter what everybody should find that place where it's like, yeah, life is hard, but like, try to enjoy it, try not to lose your dinosaur, try to find them little tiny things that make you feel good again, and I'm like, I think you'll be shocked how many things end up on your list once you open your mind to being like, for real, no one's watching, Instagram's not on, no one's here, my family ain't around, my girl, my man, no one's around, Let me just write down what I want. And some of it will get really awkward. I've had ex girlfriends that got upset with me about what was on my bucket list and I say, you know, it's mine. It's mine. I don't, I don't, I don't understand. But do it. Live it. Check it. Fucking own it. You know what I mean?

Ian Vogel:

Yeah. Beautifully said.

Evan Jones:

You know, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna all see the afterlife one day. We might as well make this journey about as entertaining as possible.

Ian Vogel:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you get to that inevitable point and you look back and you're no longer in your body and your body is dead, it's like, did you do everything you could? Did you, or did you leave it all out in the table? And now it's time to go to the after party.

Evan Jones:

I got two things to say on that real quick. One, I always told my friends, don't treat my funeral like a funeral. Treat it like a motherfucking birth, like celebrate, pop champagne, all that. Know that I live my life to the damn fullest. You know what I'm saying? And damn, the other thing, I think I lost it, but it was showing back the afterlife, bruh. I'll get it later, but, yeah. Something that I feel important about as far as the after party, it's like, yo, I'm, I'm leaving it all on the table here in this journey. And wherever I go next, I feel like I should be able to be like, I feel good about that. And I feel like everybody should just do what they want. And some of the stuff on your bucket list, it's gonna be weird. It's gonna be weird to other people, but it's like, I don't know. Experience it. Feel weird. Feel uncomfortable. Do some shit that you're like, I can't believe I just did that. Do it! Do it, bro. Like, live your life and be, be a little uncomfortable here, man. It makes you grow in the best way, you know? You gotta get humbled. You gotta, traveling will humble you. Trying new things will humble you, cause you won't be good at half of them. You know what I mean? Like, it's helpful.

Ian Vogel:

Yeah, well said, my friend, man. This has been such a fun conversation. I'm, so stoked that you're doing this and happy to have met you. Even if it wasn't in one of those travel situations, you never know. You really never do know what is going to come up. Who you're going to meet, how your life will change, we talked a lot about planning and when you get into it and when you really, when you're there to a certain degree that planning goes out the window and there's going to be situations that come up. It's like, I don't have a plan for this. I'm going to have to figure it out in the moment right here on my own. And you know what? I trust that I can do that. I trust that I. Have whatever it takes to get to where I need to go and, and, it built, like you said, it builds confidence and resiliency and

Evan Jones:

Character. yeah, Just Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's important even for the toughest, tough guys or the smallest people or whoever, it's like you need to feel uncomfortable and everybody has somewhere or something that'll feel uncomfortable. So I feel like everybody can be cool if they stay in their own box. Like, man, test yourself, man. Step out your box. See how you feel. See if you can keep it if you can stay yourself outside your body because that's how you feels even better, you know But yeah,

Ian Vogel:

there's a, there's a,

Evan Jones:

been a fucking pleasure,

Ian Vogel:

oh yeah, man, saying that I really love and that's, the comfort zone is a great place to be, but no growth happens there. Literally no growth

Evan Jones:

without a doubt.

Ian Vogel:

your comfort zone. So,

Evan Jones:

It's an amazing quote. It's 1, 000 percent true

Ian Vogel:

and I think,

Evan Jones:

And we all love

Ian Vogel:

yeah, I think on some fundamental human level. We desire growth and expansion. Like that's just the way of the universe. That's like a universal law is that like energy spirit is expanding, It's like just something that's happening and if we try to restrict that, we're fighting against the universal law that everything is in a constant state of expansion. And when you try to stay static you try to keep your box the same size, that's going to cause tension. So you can. You can choose to fight it or you can choose to go with it and allow your comfort zone to expand by going out of it. And man, I'm so grateful that you took the time have this conversation. So much fun, great reconnecting with you after, you know, after these months and, you know, being able to see you go to Thailand and Mexico and continue on your journey and seeing Instagram has been. It's just been a pleasure and I look forward to seeing where things go from here and. Continuing to watch, your journey as it unfolds and you helping other people and working with other people and spreading this mindset of growth, and abundance and, ability to do whatever you want, and, freedom ultimately. So. Yeah, if you're, as we wind this down, is there, how can people get a hold of you, what's your social media? Like, where can people, how can people follow what you're doing and connect with you?

Evan Jones:

Absolutely, man. So the Bucket List Specialist, everything, one word altogether. Boom. It's a little long, but just type it out. It'll be worth it. The Bucket List Specialist of Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, email, at Gmail. So anytime, man. And I'm here to work with everybody. The world, the world, the world. I want every single type of person to tune in, man. This is what I'm here for. And I would love to help you do something brand new that you always wanted to do. We're going to make it special and let me at least end it by saying, It was a pleasure meeting you in D. R. It was even more of a pleasure meeting you again here on your podcast, brother. And I can't wait to see where our third location where we meet up is.

Ian Vogel:

Yeah, yeah, I, I was thinking that I thought that twice throughout this conversation. We're going to get together. At some exotic location some beach somewhere, some Island somewhere. Or

Evan Jones:

It's going to be podcast worthy. So we'll have episode two wherever we have link up number three. You

Ian Vogel:

like that. I like that. I like that. So, man, a beautiful way to end it. Thank you again, Evan yeah, everybody. There's some really good actionable things that we could all be doing that can help get us closer to, our goals and, creating our bucket list and checking, checking it off like that is, what you see there, is possible for everyone. And, and I appreciate the reminder for myself and until next time, my friend, everybody out there, take care and be well.