The Complete Retreat

From Religion to Radiance: Awakening Through Ayahuasca & Energy Work w/ Tiffany Greene

• Ian Vogel • Episode 7

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In this episode of The Complete Retreat Podcast, we sit down with the radiant Tiffany Greene — Reiki master, teacher, and retreat facilitator — to explore her transformational journey from religious deconstruction to becoming a powerful space holder for others.

Tiffany shares her first life-changing experience with ayahuasca, how that ceremony awakened her intuitive gifts, and how she followed the “cosmic breadcrumbs” into energy work, breathwork, and trauma-informed coaching. We talk about what it really takes to hold space for others, how she prepared to co-facilitate her first retreat, and the importance of staying grounded while helping others go deep.

This is a powerful conversation about trusting your intuition, doing the inner work, and stepping into a life of aligned service — one courageous step at a time.

About our Guest:
Tiffany Greene is a Reiki Master, trauma-informed coach, and retreat facilitator based in Arizona. After a profound awakening during her first ayahuasca ceremony, Tiffany transitioned from a life rooted in traditional religion to one guided by deep intuition, energy work, and service.

Through her business Radiant Shadow Healing, she offers sessions that weave Reiki, somatic tools, breathwork, and intuitive coaching — helping people regulate their nervous systems, reconnect with their inner knowing, and integrate their shadow with love and compassion. Tiffany co-facilitates retreats and creates sacred spaces that empower people to transform from within.

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tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

to sit with ayahuasca is not for the faint of heart that changed, honestly, the direction of my life, like a one 80. The most important thing is tuning into your intuition, tuning into your body and your energy and you receiving the messages, learning how to shift that energy to bring you into alignment. Ideas are up here in the ether. It's also where dreams, passions, intentions go to die. What energy am I bringing into this? It's not just that people are attending, but what's my energy at? My grounded and my centered and my focus. Am I aligned? So how have I been preparing as a facilitator to be able to facilitate others?

HypeMiC & FaceTime HD Camera:

What is up? Welcome to another episode of the Complete Retreat Podcast. Today, my amazing guest is Tiffany Green. Tiffany is a Reiki master, teacher, and retreat leader based out of Arizona. Now, I've been super excited to have this conversation because Tiffany has a really incredible story and when I first met her, she was not where she is today. One of the main reasons why I wanted to talk to Tiffany was to hear her journey from not really having much experience with ceremonies or retreats to being, to the point now where she's facilitating retreats and hosting them. She's made some remarkable progress in just a couple years. And I know there are a lot of people who feel really called to facilitate ceremonies. So I wanted to hear what it was like for her going from the very beginning to where she is now. I'm really grateful to Tiffany for sharing her story, and I know that there are going to be a lot of people who find inspiration in what she shares. In addition to that, we talk about all sorts of things, like what it takes to regulate yourself as a sensitive person, how energy flows and moves in the body, some of the things that Tiffany experienced facilitating her first retreat that she wasn't aware of all kinds of interesting topics. So without any further ado, let's just get into it.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Tiffany, it's so good to see you again. And, you know, we spoke a few months ago and had a conversation about doing an interview. And during that time you were just getting ready and preparing for your very first retreat and being in the, in the role of hosting and facilitating your first retreat. So I believe everything happens for a reason and there was some delays and it didn't happen before. And now I'm really excited. To hear about the experience that you had facilitating your very first retreat. And I think maybe a good place to start would be if we can rewind a little bit and talk a little bit about how you got started and what sent you on the pathway to eventually start leading retreats and kind of work our way through that process to where we are today. And. I'd also like to know where you see yourself going in the future and how, you know, starting to facilitate retreats and hosting retreats has changed your business and what you're doing to help people.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Well, I'm so excited to do this. Thank you for having me in and yeah, we have, we've been talking about this, but we have a fun backstory and how we actually met each other, was really four years ago, Valentine's weekend. And it wasn't a date, but rather we met in a plant medicine journey in ayahuasca three night ceremony, which was my first time with grandmother ayahuasca. And you were one of the facilitators there and you did such a beautiful job with your music, flute, the panhand, facilitating, holding space. And so it was just so fun. Fast forward to, I don't know, last summer or so to reconnect through social media. And I was like, I don't know if you remember me. That was so many, that was so many years ago. And it was just, it's just been a joy to reconnect. And who would have thought like, I certainly wouldn't have like four years later, you and I connecting in this way and we've had different paths and it's let us back here to talk to one another and see what's going on. And you have your path you're on in mind, and it's just fun to see how it's intertwined back. So thank you for having me and thank you

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Oh, it's a pleasure.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

go for holding such a beautiful sacred space for me really to start this journey. I mean, that's really where all this began with my story. I would say I'll make it quick and concise, but you know, to sit with ayahuasca is not for the faint of heart and it's not something fun that you do. But I was really pulled to it for. The sacred, deep changes that it makes when you go there with intention to really heal these parts of yourself that you didn't even know were there. And so it was through that three night ceremony where I had some really big takeaways, that changed, honestly, the direction of my life, like a one 80. I didn't anticipate that at all. But it connected me to source, the spirit, the divine in a way that I hadn't before. And that couldn't compete with 43 years of growing up in a religion. The, I just wasn't able to connect so directly with source and spirit and it changed me forever. And I now Or then it really showed me that I can source that from within and no longer externally sourcing that intuition and that knowing and listening to other people who I think know more about it or prophets or clergy or anything like that. And so to recognize that I have that direct source, that direct connection was everything. And so within that experience, it opened up this trust within me, this inner knowing that's always been there. And definitely a lot of intuitive gifts that I think that had been laying dormant for me. Mainly like clairsentience, which is that ability to feel things through the body. Like clairvoyance, the ability to see things, clairaudience. I mean, they all came online in that ceremony of three nights. And I came out of that and I was like, how do I manage this? Because now I can feel my energy. I could feel the energy around me with such sensitivity that immediately it was, I mean, I reached out to the facilitator and said, do you have a therapist? I'll understand someone who's done psychedelics and energy because what is, what's going on here? I am so highly attuned and sensitive now. But what a gift and so many gifts that. I was shown because it's like medicine doesn't bring things to you, but it only brings up what's already there. And so that's where this started is just this deep desire for change. I was doing all the things, doing all the religion and just wasn't cutting it anymore. And so I needed something radically different. And so that's where ceremony came in and meeting you. And then it really changed my life. And so after that I got therapy and she's the one who pointed me in the direction of Reiki. I remember she held up tuning forks and just said, okay, I'm going to do tuning forks and tell me what chakra this is, where you feel it at. And I did it and the tuning fork, I would listen to it and I would just see solar plexus, crown, heart, throat. And I didn't know, I was just saying whatever felt good and where I felt it in my body. And afterwards she was like, okay, sister, like, this is a calling. You just need some assistance, some guidance on how to work with energy. And so that began my Reiki energy. So I first went to my first session and it was incredible. No words. After I could feel all the energy moving through different parts of my body, had different messages coming in with a different energy. I mean, it was just this spiritual awakening for me, honestly. And my mentor, who's my Reiki mentor was like, you should really learn how to just do energy work for yourself. And I was like, yes, please. Because what was happening at the same time is I was deconstructing the religion I grew up in, which was, I grew up Mormon my entire life. So after the ceremony, I was like, what I just experienced three nights cannot compete with 43 years of religion. And it had opened up this whole new world. And so it was a complicated process of where I was deconstructing. And then with learning Reiki, energy, chakras, intuitive abilities, Connect to my intuition. It was a beautiful, like deconstructing, deconstructing, but also reconstructing. So it was kind of this odd world and energy work literally saved me, helped me do the deep work of undoing a lot of kind of old conditioning, programming beliefs and truths from religion. And just believes about myself that I'd gathered from my lived experience. So Reiki, learning Reiki, I appreciate it so much because it is. Structured and it gives guidance and I need that. Not everybody does, but I really love the structure of Reiki within that structure. The most important thing is tuning into your intuition, tuning into your body and your energy and you receiving the messages, learning how to shift that energy to bring you into alignment. And I really appreciated that because It was okay, here's the scaffolding and then you get to build the building. Like, here's the foundation, you build the building. So, it's Been quite the journey. And then from there it was like, oh no, this has been so helpful and beneficial to me. It was just this pool. It was like, okay, now I want to be in service to others with doing energy work because of what it's done for me. I mean, it helped regulate my nervous system. We talked about like inner knowing, intuition definitely helped my spirituality, connecting to source, God, life force, energy, whatever you want to call it. And so it led me to the path of like, you know, I want to become a Reiki practitioner. And And so I can't explain it, Ian, in the other way, but it was like this like tractor beam that was just like this step, then this step. And I really didn't know where it was going to lead me. I just knew, okay, I want to be in service to others. I want to help others. I don't know how, but I'm going to follow these cosmic breadcrumbs, or really I felt like a cosmic tractor beam, like this is it Tiff, next step. And so I. Got trained to be a Reiki practitioner and it really became, energy work became this deep, Like love obsession for me, I became really an obsession. How does energy work? Where does it come from? And learning just the mechanics, logistics of it, learning about the fascist system, the nervous system. And so it was this like compulsion to just learn more and more because really I wanted to learn it for me, but. I knew in the back of my mind, it was like, this is so I can better serve others. And so if I am going to be an integrity with serving others, I want to learn all the things. The first, this is the training ground right here. Like, how do I work on energy with others? If I don't even know how to work it within my own body and be an integrity with this. And so I would say, you know, getting, doing it for myself, first of all, it was like huge. And then learning how to work on other people it's like the next step in the service. Cause it was like being in service of myself now service and others. And I had never really thought of a retreat before it was, I really like if I had to look back and be like, Oh, this is my dream. I didn't even know this was a dream. I mean, I think that's, what's crazy. It's sometimes. We have dreams, but our dreams can almost limit us. Or if we're not open to what what's available to us, we can close ourselves off. And so it's funny because I never would have thought this was a dream of mine, but I'm actually living my dream right now. And so in this process of like servicing and working for others, my Reiki business really started to take off. And it was just by word of mouth and so and so and this, and now I work with Couples, I work with families, I work with their kids, with friends, and it's just such an honor. It's an honor and a pleasure to be able to serve in this way. And now what I do is so much more than just Reiki. I'm a breathwork facilitator now. I do coaching with nervous system regulation. I've been trained with trauma and resiliency, life coaching. So I really love to help people curate their inner sanctuary, regulating their nervous system. Then that's when we can hear, feel, listen to that inner voice and intuition when this is when we can be still with this. And so I love to help people do their own self healing and empowering them in their own work and there being an assistance and guide for them. And yeah, my Reiki practice has really turned into just more Reiki, and I don't really, I do Reiki, but it's really more of a shamanic quantum energy that I'm working with, but Reiki built the foundation of that. What that looks like in the session is that can be like drumming, that can be rallying on people to move that dense energy, that can be bringing in ascended masters bringing in divine guides, bringing in loved ones who have passed away to be in that session with us. support that client, whatever they need. And so I will do Reiki sessions. If people see that inner journey and that regulation, getting them into parasympathetic mode, but really why I love to, I call it my radiant shadow session, and that really is bringing in all senses and making it visceral and really being a partner with the recipient in that session to get to like the core, like what's going on here. Okay. And if we don't get to the root system, then we're just going to keep dealing with all these like symptoms that are outside of us. And so what I really love to do is first help people feel safe and supported with no judgment ever, because my word, like who hasn't liked stuffed down feelings, who hasn't like sedated, who hasn't like pushed it away and be like, I'm not dealing with this right now. I don't have time. This feels gross. Why do I want to go there? Right. Like. We all have that. And I've learned to recognize that's the beautifulness of being human. That's just our messiness. And so really helping someone to accept that this is where I am right now. And that's okay. It is what it is. We don't have to label it anything at all. It just is. And so from that place of neutrality, it really helps people go inward into maybe that dark, that shadow, what needs tending to and asking them questions to get a layer deeper and deeper to kind of get to those blind spots that we all have and getting to that core, like, Oh, what's there. And can I hold that with tenderness? Can I hold that with understanding that what I do now was probably from somewhere in my childhood, teenage years. Maybe it's the first time you're an adult and you're on your own. What was the experience behind that? What are the meanings that you made out of that? And are those true, right? Cause that's just all up here. We just make that all up. So if we can get rid of like this, that's not real and come back to what's the actual truth. And you are, we are a meaning making machine. And so are those means that we make empowering or disempowering. So that's why I love to help people with is recognizing those untruths. And those untruths. From 13 year old Tiff has been making decisions with Tiff now. And that's kind of like mind blowing, but the lesson, the blessing from it is like, Oh my gosh, you know, I have awareness with that. And I understand that because that's the best way I knew how to cope at that age. I was either trying to like protect myself, keep myself safe. I'm trying to look good in front of others or in validation. Cause I didn't know any other way. I mean, there's, we all have different motives. For the ways that we cope. And so bring the understanding like this is just how I, and that's okay. So in understanding that, can I now show up in life differently with the new truth, I don't need to cope like that because now I understand where it came from and why, but it's no longer serving me, but this is what will. And so I love to help people discover those truths, those untruths and truths. And then more important, that's like, let's integrate that. So now what does that mean in your life? How are you going to show up in your life? Because, you know, we might have ideas like I love to use the elements. Ideas are up here in the ether. It's also where dreams, passions, intentions go to die. I feel like they're birthed here and they come in from spirit or intuition. But to me, then what I love to integrate with people is like, let's bring it to the, air. Let's bring it to the air element. Let's share it. So we're journaling that. Are you sharing it with someone that you love and support? Are you sharing it with me? Thank you. And as a coach, I want to, because I care about you, I'm going to support you and I'm going to help hold you accountable in a supportive, guiding way with no judgment. But I know what you want and I know your potential because you've shared with me and I've certainly felt it. So I want to show up for you to help you. Not only express it now moving into like the solar plexus, which is the fire element and that's to act. Let's go So if it's living up here, that's great until we kind of go express it and act on it What was the point? I mean self discovery, of course, but like that's the real work That's the real ceremony is like sharing it and expressing and taking the steps And then once we start taking those steps, then we get to the safe role, the water element and emotions. That's where emotions start to rise up. Oh, where are they going to think of me? Am I going to be judged? I can't do this. So the beautiful thing is as long as you keep acting on it, these emotions come up, but you are still working through it and it creates this really beautiful system. Doubts rise up, but as you keep walk, as you keep walking through it, through the root chakra, walking through it, then this starts coming down. And like, that's where I want to help who I work with to get to that root chakra, which is like grounding, stability, support. And I want to help you be that tree that grows those roots, grows your roots into your knowing. Into your potential because you are at like, be that mountain. Mountains are stable. They're wisdom keepers. They're so grounded. So it's like, I want to help you get there. And so that's really what my practice, my business is turning into is not just energy sessions, but helping you integrate, helping empower you, emboldening you, and helping you transform your life. Because I'm finding that what I do is transforming my life. It really was. I never thought I'd be doing a retreat, which I just did in January with one of my mentors, who's now become a dear soul sister. And so I'm just seeing how these practices transform my life and help me see potential and dreams that I didn't even know were there and then how to take action with it because, Oh, it's scary. Right.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah. It certain certainly can be. Yeah.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Yeah. And the biggest thing I've learned with that is just to be courageous doesn't mean you can get rid of the fear or the nerves, but it's just to keep stepping, step through the fear one step at a time. And one thing I've heard is like, whatever I dream, it's not bigger than me. It's actually in me. It's like taking small bite sized pieces to get to what you wanted. And that's how I've built my business. That's how, I mean, running breathwork sessions. Now I was really nervous to do that, but I was like, just got to do it. And now they're like, well, my favorite things. Well, I have so many favorite things. It's like favorite children for me. love breathwork. I love doing coaching. I mean, I love it all. I love helping people intuition. But yeah, so this is. I can only help people with when I'm actually doing my own life. And so helping co facilitate this retreat was a big step for me because it was like, this was actually a dream. This was a dream I had to run a retreat and retreats. And I was nervous. I was really nervous to do this, but I just had to like step through it. And I have tools and modalities help calm my nervous system. Cause it, it is also like, how much can my nervous system hold? And so it's really working with nervous system to bring it back, to calm myself, making decisions from a clear grounded place, you know, rather than getting stuck in the frenetic energy of it, which I did. I mean, there were days where I'd be like, Oh my gosh, I'm so nervous for this. What are we going to do? And I just had to bring it back. Oh, this is my full time job to fight that fear dragon because it comes along and it can be strong. And I just have to say, I heard that and I'm still going to proceed. Yeah, that's my. Last for years.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Wow.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Yeah.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

fir, first off, I just want to thank you for sharing that and acknowledge the incredible amount of work you had to have done on yourself, first and foremost. And I remember meeting you at that ceremony. I remember exactly where you were sitting.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

You You do.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Sitting at the foot of your mat, Yeah. And chatting with you.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Yeah.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Fast forward four years, who'da, who'da thunk it.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

I know. So I love it. Right? This is the universe.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah, and, you know, so much of what you said really resonated with me on a, such a deep level. And, talking about fear, something that you said, you know, when you're talking about going down through the elements and through the bodies and Through the chakras and getting to the sacral chakra where that where emotions are, emotions start to come up. And how do you work through emotions? Well, it's, you know, work through the emotion of fear specifically through taking action. And it reminded me of a practice that I learned. I think I heard this from Andrew Huberman of all places. Like you, if you feel fear, you move your eyes side to side and. That tricks your brain, because when you're walking forward, your eyes are scanning the ground, so your eyes naturally move side to side when you're moving forward. When you, even if you're just sitting still, if you move your eyes from side to side, it tricks your brain into thinking that there's forward motion, which helps to, helps you to work through that fear. And that's exactly what reminded me of, like, when fear comes up, what do you do? So you take action, you move forward and you know, one of the cornerstones of what you're teaching and your practice, your personal practice and what you're teaching with other people is a self reliance, you know, connecting with, you know, clearing away the debris. So you can connect with that divine spark that's inside of you and have that direct connection yourself. And then learn how to grow that relationship and improve that channel and get more clarity in those messages and start to build and develop that ability to really have trust in yourself. And I, I think it's a, just part of our culture where we're almost taught to seek outside of ourselves for the answers. And it's almost like a muscle, like learning to trust your inner guidance, your inner wisdom. If you're not doing it, that muscle atrophies and it gets weak to the point where, rather than relying on your own knowledge you're using chat GPT for everything, or you're googling everything, or, this manifests in many different ways in our life. You look to social media to see what other people are doing to find fulfillment in your own life. And again, this is, this takes many different shapes and forms in, in our lives. And, you know, something that's been really present with me lately is. Being really aware of when I'm reaching outward for answers and trying to find discernment and create boundaries of like, what am I willing to outsource and what should I really be focused on and dedicated to? learning myself and in what instances is it really in my best interest to maybe take a step back and rather than go the easy route and seek for answers externally, where should I just maybe spend a little bit of time and effort to seek those answers from inside myself. And I think that's the difference between self empowerment and codependency. Codependency creeps up in so many different areas of people's lives. You know, I saw

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

mean I don't know what you're talking about. Don't know what

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah, I mean, I, I saw,

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

self abandoning, like

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

that goes, I don't know. I

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

love as I have for all plant medicines and like deep love and respect and So much gratitude like my own experience was it with it was initially It was a very self empowering relationship that I had with plant medicine when I first started working with it because it was showing me things inside myself and helping me to connect with parts of myself that I was unaware of as you spoke about. But then over time, that relationship shifted to one of codependency to where I felt like I needed it to get those answers and to reach that place where the answers were. In reality, it was always just me and it was always there. It's just, you know, over time with, and that could be for me, it was plant medicine, but I've also had that with meditation. Serious meditators and people who, who have spent a lot of time meditating, they call it being addicted to the seat. And it's like, I experienced that as well. And like the root of it is seeking for answers outside of yourself. Even meditation when you're sitting quietly can be a very subtle way of escapism and not dealing with the things that are going on in your life and just, rather than, as you said, addressing the shadow aspects of yourself, sitting in complete silence. know, it's, it's almost like you stick your fingers in your ears and you're like, ah, la, like medic.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

don't hear you.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah. Meditation can turn into that. And you're, you're focused on leaning into the shadow and your recognition that the shadow is where. That's where the juicy stuff is, that's where the answers are, that's where the rubber hits the road, that's where you're going to find what you're looking for. It's not, it's if what you were looking for was in plain sight, you wouldn't be looking for it anymore. So it's, So it's, it's somewhere, if you're yearning for something, like the answer or whatever it is, it's somewhere. But it's not in plain sight, so It's in the shadow. Man, this is such a an incredible and lovely transformation that you've gone through and going through it yourself and now helping other people on a one on one level coaching individually. And I think during our last conversation, I got a strong sense. I was like, Yeah, this is evolving into more than one on one. You already had the retreat planned and I had a sense like, Oh, this is going to be a, you leading retreats and helping people groups of people and holding space for more. And I think it's a, just an evolution. First, you have to learn how to hold space for yourself and do the work yourself, and then you gather tools and you learn what works for you. If that resonates with other people, they will be drawn to it. And then you start working with people one on one, and it just keeps expanding and to where you are now, to the point where your practice and your methodology has evolved such that you can hold space for groups of people and for more energy, for more situations, because things come up in, in retreats. So. I'm curious about how that, like, your thinking going into the first retreat, like the before and after, like what met your expectations, what didn't meet your expectations, what surprised you. Yeah, I'd love to know more about that first retreat and like the before and the after. And just the, maybe not necessarily details, but your experience of it.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

I will, I do want to say. This retreat. I think what was great for my first retreat really is that I was a co facilitator, and so that helps a lot when you have someone else that you're in tandem with and working with, you know, and I did this retreat with, I did a three week training in Sedona last summer. I lived there for three weeks, trained with my mentor. Anahata Ananda. She owns Shine in Sedona. It's a place where they hold retreats, breath work, trainings. And so it was actually through that training where I was able to widen my range of how I can sit with people actually and be with people. And I say this because this really helped the stage for holding a retreat, being able to sit with people in absolute rage and grief. To the other end of complete bliss, like blizzgasmic, like, and being able to, from that range, being able to hold that space and be with people and not taking it on, but like carrying, but not carrying. And so I want to just say that because that really helps set the stage of me being able to hold range with people and with more people. And it was after this retreat that I said, I want to run retreats. Like, what are your next steps after this three week training? And yeah, she approached me and said, let's do a retreat. And so I was like, okay, universe, like if you said it, here you go. And this is kind of how things have been happening. If I say that I want something and I'm putting it out to that to the energy field, things are coming into me. And I just believe that now that when I put it out there. Trust the timing and it will come in. And so that's kind of how this retreat happened. And so being able to co facilitate it with her, he's done this for two and a half decades. I just have to be really transparent with this really took a lot of the nerves away. Because I have seen how she holds a container, obviously as in it with it for three weeks. And so I think when he's wanting to do it, I think if you can team up with someone that you trust and is in integrity with themselves and their work, So pivotal, so important. And so just having a partner you can do that with is huge, I think, especially for your first one, you know, because there's a lot of logistics. And fortunately where we did it with, and we did it with shine, they take care of all that. They take care of marketing. So I didn't have to do a lot of that. So what did I expect the first time? I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know because I'd been through this process. I knew how transformative it was going to be. I didn't know how much I knew it was going to be deep healing and I knew it was going to be, and so her and I worked out like what we're going to do, how we're going to do it. And so just being kind of planned, having logistics, keeping time. I would say, I think what I learned a lot from holding space like that, it was two days, two full days in Sedona, which Sedona is an amplifier. I mean, there's quartz crystal everywhere, vortex energy everywhere. So it's going to amplify. Either you're really grounded or you're really up in the ethers, Enhance emotions, everything, and which is a great place to do work, do healing. So I think what was interesting just kind of on being really about this is when you're holding a space for that many people, you get 10 women. And so there's a real practical side to facilitating that some people don't really talk about. And that's really like helping monitor how much people share. And that is a skill. And I would say learning how to do that before retreat. And if you're having coaching clients and sessions, I'm so glad I've learned how to do that and to keep boundaries, keep time, keep people on track because we can go in tangents and rabbit holes. I mean, I probably have already on this podcast, but just the practical side of like, Hey, we have 10 people. We want to share what we're doing. Then the, we've got to like help them, like, just give me the seed. Don't give me all the weeds. Like what was the takeaway or like, what's the pearl? And it's like this because 10 shares, five minutes each, that's an hour. And so there's just a real practical side because we want to stay like that's root chakra. That's being grounded. That's being centered. That's being aware of surroundings. That's being aware of time because we want to respect how much everybody can share. And we don't want people just monopolizing. I mean, the women there, they were just so unbelievable, so insightful and aware that really wasn't, we didn't have issues with that at all, but you still had to like that focus and then meeting each participant where they are, each woman that was there was, I didn't expect that to be it was really beautiful. And it was, I just kept going like, what what an honor, what an honor that you trust, you know, Me, Anahata, and all the women here in this container to share these parts of you, they're really tender. And so the authenticity that was there and the vulnerability that was there and it was by choice. Was surprising to me just in how deep we were able to go with these women because that's what they were able to offer. We met each woman wherever they were at and that was different for each woman. And so that was unexpected because I just haven't, and then have that with 10 women. Wow. Pretty unbelievable. And I think what's really important about that is learning how to set a container. How do you hold that space? So how are you clearing that space? How are you anchoring it? How are you protecting it? And then most of it, how are you activating it before any of these women ever get there? Like that space is sacred. And it is like, this is our space. And we're allowing us to masters by yourselves, God's source, life, first energy, whatever you want to bring in for what purpose. And so just at the very beginning of that, what are we doing here? What's our intention. And then let's hold it, create it. And protect it with everything. Because this is sacred. This is sacred. And so from that, and then when you build that rapport with these women, then that's when you can go deep. Because they trust you. They trust the space, and you've set the expectations for the space. And really being really in integrity with that space. I just was, I've always known that's important. It's what I've done, but especially within a retreat and that many women, that much energy and everybody's lived experience that are bringing into that space. So we have to honor that. We have to help people know how to like share because we don't want to share the details of maybe our deepest, darkest experiences, traumas, but certainly you can share some of that, whatever you're comfortable with and we can uphold that and help you. And then there was group coaching that was going on, which. I haven't done a lot of group coaching, so that was the other thing I didn't expect was how pivotal just group coaching is transformational group coaching in that space because when we share stuff and then when we're working with that woman to support her and what she just shared and integrating it, processing it it's, there's always someone else in that room that's like, ah, I really, me too, sister, me too. And so there's this like learning by osmosis and by sharing that was, It's so beautiful that then really brings the group together too, because it's like, I hear you. That's me. Or I've seen that in someone else I know and love, and so this is how I can take this inward and this can help me or help someone I know and love. So just that group transformational coaching within the treat was phenomenal and really transformative.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

you know, you, You said something there and something that I think is really important about the holding the space for the ceremony and for the, or for the retreat and from my point of view and my experience like. That space is created when the people who are facilitating or the organizers, when they decide to do it, like when that decision is made and everybody's like, yes, we're in we're doing this, that's where it starts. Like, that's when the container starts

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Yes. Good point.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

and in my experience anyway and that's usually very far in advance of the actual event itself. you talked about the being integrity with the space, I think from that point forward, like, if you're, you know, if you're making a lot of changes or like whatever is happening beforehand is going to, on an energetic level, be present in the space during the event. And I think that's. It's something that's not necessarily intuitive, and it wasn't intuitive for me, I didn't, I had to observe that over and over again, and finally I realized, for example, if there's a really chaotic energy in a ceremony, like afterwards. I could be like, well, the last two or three weeks have been leading up to this, actually. Like, this maybe didn't have so much to do with the people that were in that space, or maybe they didn't bring it. Maybe, we kind of fostered that in, in the preparation and vice versa. Cause like, you could have a bunch of people with some really severe trauma come in and, you know, just they're all over the place. And if the space had been set and created. kept in integrity and really with a really clear intention and like a solid foundation, those people can come into that space and not jostle it at all. And this space will remain very steady and clear. I'm really glad that you brought that up and mentioned that because I think it's something a lot of people learn through trial and air and over a long period of time. It's like, no, that like the preparation is like all the preparation, your mindset, what you're doing, the facilitators, the people who are organizing it. Like you bring that from the moment the seed is sprouted. So to speak. All of that time in between carries through into the space. And I'm really glad that you voiced that and you brought that up.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Yeah. Well, and thank you. Thank you for refining it even more because. Yes, your intention with a retreat has got to be solid. What is it that we're wanting to provide for the people who are coming? So your intention when you want to do that retreat and creating that is pivotal. And then that guides you through everything that you're doing. And then as a facilitator, you've got to be grounded. So you're so right. What energy am I bringing into this? It's not just that people are attending, but what's my energy at? My grounded and my centered and my focus. Am I aligned? So how have I been preparing as a facilitator to be able to facilitate others? And so thank you for me that because you as a facility, you've got to be an integrity and you've got to walk the walk because you're right. Otherwise, that container is going to get real wobbly. And if you're not, if you're not present as a facility, you're going, I need to do this. We got this up next. It's like you should know everything you're doing line item an approximate time so that you are not absent. Thinking of something else of like, what's the next activity? Like you need to be so prepared, you know what we're doing so that you are there grounded and centered and attuned to those 10 individuals. Cause they're trusting you, me, us, whoever's facility, they are trusting us with their energy, with their experiences, their emotions. Some really like tender parts of themselves. And so as a facilitator, you first. I've got to really be an integrity with why you're there, what you're doing and how am I showing up for sure. And so good point. Thank you for refining that. But yeah, that's even before you even do the retreat, saying that intention,

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

As you got through the retreat and, it sounded like you held a pretty pretty solid space for people to go deep and, that's incredible. And looking back on it now that you have a little bit of space, you know, it's been a few weeks since then, like, what are your, what are you feeling right afterwards? And what are you feeling now? Like how has your perception of that event changed over the last few weeks?

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

You know, it's funny, you know, I would say like the first day was really deep healing transformation. And then the next day was much more nourishment. And I think one thing I learned that I want to share too, is when you're going into those deep sacred spaces. It's really important to balance it out with levity and fun when appropriate. And one thing I learned is if you're always just going into the deep, your clients, your recipients, they kind of lose trust.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Hmm. Hmm.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Ability to balance the deep with the levy and our humanists and some fun and some funny jokes when appropriate, of course, but that's the one thing I learned with a retreat is it's like, this is deep healing work, but we've got to bring joy, right? Like once we release, what are we filling it up with? And that second day was really like, okay, here's what you've released all the first day. Here's the blind spots, the shadow work, you've brought light to it. What are we feeling that those spaces up from within? And now what are those next steps? So when you go back into this world. As a different woman, because your energy is totally different. Now your truths and your beliefs about yourself are totally different. So how are you going to show up now? So I love the integrating part. And so looking back on the retreat You know, I'd come home each night and I was tired, but in a good way, because it's like focus, but it's a focus that I love. I think that's the difference. I was like, I love this being in service this way. And so I didn't, I thought I'd be more tired. I think it was like the day after the retreat where I was like, like, okay, you know, just to be honest, like, okay, it's time to kind of go inward now. And looking back on it, you know, we already had a second retreat planned. Before we even finished the first one, we already knew what magic was coming. And so we're like, let's just get another one on the books so that we can share that. And after the retreat, I was just, there was so much gratitude. I was just like, so like grateful for these women who showed up, man, they did some beautiful work. And then them just connecting into their essence again is what we wanted to do. We're not. I'm not doing anything for you. We're just providing a space and giving you some assistance. So the graduate, these women who showed up, the gratitude or the trust that they had in me, I was just so full of gratitude to be in that space to do that. So grateful for the women, grateful for the experience. And it's just kind of highlighted the work that I really love to do. And this is like those cosmic breadcrumbs I'm just following, like this is the tractor pool. I'm like, ah, I love doing this. So just so much gratitude for the experience and excitement for the next one, really. And I didn't need to be as nervous as I was, but you know, that's just how we are. That's just being human. Like when it's something new and I realized I was like, I'm not really nervous. I'm more excited. And so really learning how to be like, this isn't nervous. I'm actually excited. I'm more excited than I am nervous, but it's just unfamiliar. And so now with the familiarity of another retreat coming up, I am like, let's go, I'm so excited. And we're going to make some revisions just to be honest, you know, you never know until you run it through. And so we're already kind of revising and adding some more things in some more like juiciness and excitement and fun. The healing, the deep work is there, but we're going to bring in a little bit more like movement, I think a little more somatic. So, Yeah, looking forward. I just, I'm excited to do this. I want to do more. I'll eventually do them on my own whenever that timing is right. So yeah, just gratitude. of really being able to do it and realizing, Hey, this was a dream of mine. I had this dream like less than two years ago where I was like, I think I want to do a retreat. I don't know what that looks like. I don't know where, what, and then to be able to do a retreat in Sedona someone who I respect and to co facilitate that with her in this beautiful sanctuary of a space. And to do what we did, I mean, just joy, gratitude and joy of like, wow, I just lived my dream and being present for it because I have a tendency to like, okay, so what's the next one? Where are we going? It's like, Whoa, be with this. This is the magic. Be with what's just transpired this weekend. Be with you trusting your intuition and your knowing, be with the work that you've done because you can't hold space like this for others. I can only meet people as deeply as I've met myself. And so it was a really beautiful reflection and just gratitude and joy. So what's next? That's what I'm dreaming of now.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

That's amazing and thank you so much for sharing. That's powerful on so many levels and having come from a background of where I facilitated ceremonies for a long time for a lot of people in a lot of different contexts, you touched on something and some things came up for me as you were talking about your experience that I've, been. Disconnected from like I have had that experience, it's been years since I've been in that role And just as you were talking about it Like I was starting to feel it again. I was like, oh my goodness like the excitement. Yeah, it's like there's no other I mean for me it was yeah, yes, there was always nerves You and there was always excitement, like being nervous and being excited. Like those are next door neighbors. And,

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Of the words,

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

and there was never a ceremony going into one where I didn't have some sort of butterflies in my stomach. I was never just like, just sliding into it, chill. I may have, it may have appeared that way on the outside, but I always. Had some nerves and I think that's good. Like that's I think that's healthy that's that helps you to that is a sign or a signal that you're connected to the people in the space and to the experience that's about to happen for not only yourself, but for everybody that's involved and

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Right. And part of that is like, you don't know what's going to happen in that space, especially plants, plant medicine ceremonies, ayahuasca, but just, and in any space. I mean, if we have an agenda and we're trying to here's what I want you to feel. Well, we're so out of integrity,

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

That's a recipe for disappointment Every time.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

that's negating everyone else's own journey and own path and saying, I know what's best for you. But yeah, I, yeah, the nerves are there and I think that's life force energy. It's like, Hey, this is your, this is part of what you're supposed to be doing this. And learning to live with discomfort also at the same time. Like, okay, can I breathe through this and just be with it? So what would you want to start facilitating any type of retreat then and hearing that in?

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Oh my gosh. Like it's been honestly, it's been years, I spent a lot of time in that space for several years and then I wasn't doing my own work. I wasn't doing my own integration. And I had to basically quit cold Turkey, just walk away from it. And the last two and a half, three years have just been very little. Of any plant medicine, you know, whatsoever and just, and I'm still integrating those, all the experiences that I had. Like, the pendulum has, was really far on one end and it swung really hard to the other end. And now I feel it, settling in the middle somewhere and moving in that direction of wanting to hold space again, or feeling like it's appropriate for me. Because. You know, I had a lot of work to do and like you said, it's, you have to be in a good place and be grounded within yourself and be trusting of yourself. And I wasn't for the last couple of years and I'm starting to, I'm regaining that and have to, to a large extent, there's still work to do. And I think there's always work to do, like, you know, finding your center point is always, it's a constant practice that go until the, until the very end. It's like, That is the practice of life, is trying to find that middle point in a, in an environment that's always shifting.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

if you could tell me how to stay here, somebody tell me how.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

heh, yeah,

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

Just like, temper.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

so it's to answer your question, yeah, I foresee myself, I know it's coming in the distant future, but having this conversation with you is bringing up some thoughts and some feelings like it may be sooner than, yeah, maybe sooner than I had been envisioning. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Like you, I'm just following the cosmic breadcrumbs and it's like saying yes to the thing that's in front of, you know, if it's an alignment saying yes, taking that step and trusting that the next step on the path will, will be illuminated when the time is right for me to take it. And you know, on that thread. Maybe the next logical place to go is, you were having your prior practice working with people was more one-on-one. You've just done this event where you're holding space for several people and it seems like your trajectory is going. To be doing more of those retreats and group work like that, how do you foresee yourself transitioning from the one-on-one work to the one-on many work and the group work? And it may be too early to ask this question, but like how frequently do you see yourself doing retreats

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

I don't know. Good question. I mean, at least right now, a couple of times a year, a couple of times a year. And I think part of that was like, you know, I'm going to be offering the same retreat I did in January, in June, in Sedona again. And then I'm going to be doing probably another co facilitation with a dear sister of mine. And so that's in the books. And so we'd have to see like, what are the different offerings that I'm doing? And how many times a year, but I would be good with multiple times a year. To be honest, I think the B I think the beautiful thing about retreats is that it's a time to get away from your everyday life, your everyday habits. Patterns. Urges, every distractions and so a retreat is really a beautiful disruption. It's a disruptor to your life. And when you come into it, depending on what the retreat is with your intention, you get the luxury of just being with yourself. And what is it that you are trying to release, let go of, let be, bring in and curate. What is a life that you're wanting to curate? And so that's a beautiful part of a retreat. And I mean, to offer that to people, I would love to do it a lot. That's where I don't know yet. And I think a lot of it is I see my business as far as I kind of what you're talking about transitioning from one to one to group. That's kind of exactly where I am right now. And this is where I am trying to figure that out. And I, truthfully, I'm kind of like researching, like, what does that look like? How would I do it? And then also trusting the divine timing, my intuition and source, because I'm like how can source act through me for it? And so really leaning into that and trusting the timing. And so I foresee probably like setting up group coaching containers. Of like, I don't know how many women yet, but leading them through like, let me be like four, six, eight week. And this is what I've been right now. I'm kind of percolating on is setting up that container. And then it can have a really beautiful segue to the retreat experience that would be curated to what we've just done within this supportive container that's been created. So that's kind of why ultimately seeing it. So right now, it's like, it's all up here. So now I'm sharing it. So now it's like, okay, just start acting on this, you know,

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

and the beautiful thing with that is. It's not just coaching, but it's like energy work, teaching people how to work with their energy, clearing the clutter, like you said, so that we can get still building that intuition, the inner knowing, radiating that nervous system working with your energy to help with that. And then using breath work and coaching modalities that I have. So it's kind of, I'm in a really beautiful place right now where everything is alchemizing. All the modalities, all the trainings, everything that I've done is really like percolating and coming together. And so I'm kind of in, I'm in creation mode while I'm still doing my practice in my business. So I'm kind of creating this right now. So

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

I have a feel.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

that's the plan and then creating community around that. Once we have a retreat, helping you integrate after the retreat, having a Facebook community, just so that these people, I don't know if it's going to be men or women. I really, I think some retreats will be coed. Some will just be women and possibly just men. Cause I do love working men. That's a totally different energy. Yeah. It's a beautiful energy, but it's really different from women. And I am drawn to that work into that service too. So I don't know. I'm just, This is kind of what's going on right here and building community. Cause I want people to help support. I want to empower people so that I just don't need to come to TIFF for everything. I, none of my clients, I'm like, what do you think? I want to empower other people in their own inner knowing and trusting themselves. And then relying on their peers and whoever they meet through these experiences to help them. And then they can go and do their own thing and build their own communities and support it. So

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

yeah.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

yeah, that step from one to one to like group is where I'm like, okay, I do this. I did a retreat, but like, I would like to make some steps in between or

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

hold a retreat that has nothing to do with a coaching container. I just, so

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Yeah. Based on everything you just said there, I think at some point in the future when this alchemizing is, you know, when things are more solid and it sounds like you're still working on like really working on your core offering and things are still coming together for you. And I feel like this is almost a prequel. This conversation is almost a prequel and we'll have to have another conversation and

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

feel like our conversation before was a prequel to this conversation,

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

yeah just keep building on it and I feel like we'll at some point we're gonna have another conversation we'll be able to look back at this one and be like oh my gosh like now look what I'm doing and that's now like look at this all the things that we've talked about And things that you'd voiced, like, yeah, I mean, that's, and I love your process and your acknowledgement that, you know, things come from the ether and they come here and then you speak them, first speak them into existence and then you have to, you know, you say something and then you take action and then the manifestation comes. It's not a, it's not just like a lightning bolt. So So there's, there's

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

which, Yeah,

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

There can be those lightning bolt moments, I believe, from time to time. And I think people want that on some level. And really, that can be very disruptive to your life when those lightning bolt moments happen. And in a more ecological and healthful way to manifest things is, It's the process that you talked about and, you know, one step at a time and bring things into your reality in a way that's maybe not so disruptive to your life or maybe doesn't, you know, throw everything upside down and in your world. Tiffany, thank you so much. Thank you for sharing. I appreciate your candidness and, you know, everything that you shared about the process and your experience and, where you see things going. Again, we'll have to have another conversation in the future to check back in and see how things are going. But thank you so much. I'm really looking forward to seeing where life takes you and the direction of your life. Your business and your practice and this modality that you're developing that's unique to you. I believe it's gonna have a Large impact on a lot of people and already more so than it already has I feel that in my heart that you're The service that you're bringing to the world is going to impact a lot of people and I'm here to support you and I highly suggest anybody who's interested in working with Tiffany to, or learning more about what she's doing to connect with her, all of her links will be in the show notes and, but if you want to, if you want to just share what the best way for people to, to connect with you is, I'd love to hear it.

tiffany_1_02-22-2025_100655:

which really, when I named my business, it just came to me and now I see it being light on the shadows and it's radiant. We are all radiant even within the shadows. So, um, The name of my business is Radiant Shadow Healing. And so great way to find me is I have a website. www. radiantshadowhealing. com Instagram, it's the same thing, one word, radiant shadow healing. And so those are the two places you can find me the easiest. So all my offerings are there to schedule, I see in person and virtual. So you can see, you can curate your experience. I've got a lot of different things I can bring to people and I welcome and I'm excited for the next conversation that we'll have. And I'm happy to share what I've learned, the mistakes. Failing forward things that I'm sure are going to happen and what's worked and hasn't and happy to share that with you and your audience. And I just want to thank you, Ian, for really creating this beautiful container in space for me to feel comfortable and entrusting you and you leading us through this conversation. So thank you for creating such. The beautiful space of integrity and authenticity, and I'm so glad our paths have crossed. It's still just so crazy. Four years ago, and you were literally like helping me like birth this energy. I was just, I was thank you. I think this is the humor of the universe. It's just like you too. You're meant to like cross paths and introduce people to Ian and introduce me to your audience as well. So thank you. I'm honored. And it's been just an absolute joy and pleasure to have this conversation with you. So thank you, Ian.

ian_1_02-22-2025_110655:

Likewise, Tiffany, and until next time everybody out there, take care and be well.