How Dogs Teach Us About Purpose, Loyalty, And Choosing To Fight

Join Dr. Pete & Chris Bingham for an inspirational podcast about the love and loyalty of man's best friend. Chris Bingham is a Federal Police Officer with more than 23 years of service, including 17 years working in K9 operations. He served as K9 Commander for his unit, working with and retiring three canines, all while playing a key role in supporting National Security efforts. He shares his story with his incredible retired dog, Tambo, and it's an episode you won't want to miss.

Learn more about Chris & Tambo and their incredible involvement with Project K 9 Here:

https://www.instagram.com/k9_tambo

https://projectk9hero.org/?srsltid=AfmBOoq1YKOTJY_mf3VjfTdsJ1qBuMDHJdxIv2L0rvVxetxYed1IQYlo

https://www.k9magazine.com/my-journey-with-k9-tambo/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Hello, welcome back to On Ear with Dr. Pete. I'm your host, Dr. Petey Codomo, and I am so glad to be here with you today, like always, like every Friday. You all know how much I love dogs. You hear me talk about them all the time, and even as a psychologist, I'll say I like dogs better than humans, but let's keep that between us. Uh so I knew that when I first learned about this story, we wanted to bring Chris Bingham on. Uh, he is a federal police officer with more than 23 years service. So thank you for that, Chris. Uh, including 17 years working in canine operations. He served as a canine commander for his unit, working uh with and retiring three canines. So we're gonna talk about that, while playing a key role in supporting national security uh efforts. So he comes to us today with an incredible retired dog, Tambo. Uh but we're gonna learn about Tambo's inspirational story, but Tambo's just chilling right now. He's not actually gonna be on camera for or he's not gonna talk to us at all, right, Chris?

SPEAKER_01 1:10

No, no, as I was saying before we came on air, Pete. I I'm in a big historic house, so getting him to clap uh 11-year-old dog with uh fighting cancer right now up the stairs might have been a little challenging.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

So what kind of dog for our listeners?

SPEAKER_01 1:24

He's a uh a German shepherd.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yeah, is that is were all of them German shepherds?

SPEAKER_01 1:29

No, my first two were uh my first one was uh Belgian Malinois and his name was Rex.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

What is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:35

That that's uh they're they're bred for working. Um a lot of a lot of departments uh use them. They were historically used for for herding dogs, and and um over time a lot of police departments started going to them for the working breed with the the drive and the hunt that they have, which is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Nice. That was your first dog.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Um yeah, that was my first dog, and then Tina was my second dog. She was a all-black uh German Shepherd and uh Malamon mixed, beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Okay, and then now Tambo.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Do you think Tambo, um traditional uh German Shepherd, very, very, very stout, stubborn.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

So all three of them have their different personalities.

SPEAKER_01 2:16

They do, and that's the amazing thing about about dogs in general, is they all have their their own amazing uh quirky personalities, and um, you know, and I I would tell handlers all the time getting able to work different dogs makes you better because not all of them are the same, and and they all have their own little quirks in the way they work, so it's it's really cool to kind of go through the uh the whole platform of of working a dog throughout their career.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Yeah, I I have three dogs, so I've got Tabitha, who's a border collie mix, so she was a rescue, and then Marco is a terrier mix, so he's pitting Jack Russell, and then I got Ricardo, who is a pandemic puppy, so he's a purebred border collie, so they are pains in the butts. They are too smart for their own good. But talk about handling. I mean, he needs to be worked.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Yes, yeah. A lot of these, a lot of dogs need need jobs, and you know, even even in retirement, Tambo's very regimented still in his retirement.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Yeah. Well, we're gonna learn about that. So share, um, I'll how'd you first get involved in canine service?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

So I I was working with the uh working with our our my agency that I'm with now, and um we had some openings on uh our our SWAT team and then K9, and I was gonna you know apply for both and um and the canine one came up first and and I was the the guy growing up that you know I'd go to the the family get-togethers and I'd I'd beeline right for the where the dog was at the party and I'd be hanging out with the dogs more than the relatives. So my mom always said I needed to do something with dogs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Were you were you ever afraid of dogs? Ever?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Oh no, no. I've always had it, I always had a good connection with with animals. I've naturally connected with them, and you know, with so when an opening came up, I I felt like it was a it was a natural fit, so I was able to get on our unit pretty pretty pretty early on in my career.

What K9 Units Actually Do

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Yeah, that's I I that was me uh uh uh we in in psychology we call that a projection uh because I had this like little period of my life where I was afraid of dogs, like young. Uh and then now like I'm not afraid of dogs at all. I mean, I'm I my friend has a Doberman, and before we knew how crazy he was, I was like taking him out in the field by myself, uh, and now no one else can handle him, like except for the for the owner. But um Yeah, so so so that's your involvement in it, but like maybe just even describe the canine program for listeners. They may not even know what that is.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Yeah, so uh a traditional uh canine unit for uh department is is gonna consist of usually obviously detection work, which can be you know explosive, nar narcotics, electronics, um, with some departments, and then you have the patrol side of thing, which is the the apprehension side of um tracking, trailing, stuff like that for for suspects, for for senior citizens, lost children, stuff like that. So depending on the departmental need of what type of canines they want, that's kind of kind of how it's structured, and that's kind of how they've been utilized over time.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Okay, that's that's probably helpful. And so it was Tina. The first two were Tina and Rex. Rex, okay. I don't know, I don't know why I remember I like I like human names for dogs, so that's why Tina really stuck. Uh but but Rex said it's like so um so you had them, and then you thought you weren't gonna be assigned another another one, and then you had this unique opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Yeah, so I those two retired those two, and I had taken an assignment out in Hawaii, and they they both had retired. Rex was 14 and um he had passed away from cancer, and then Tina had passed away like uh um a year after Rex, which was tough. So I lost both of them within a span of a year, and any handler will tell you, you know, saying goodbye to your canine partner is one of the one of the hardest things in the world to to go through. So I I left our canine unit, took some leadership positions, um, was thriving in that, and then the opportunity to come back as our our canine commander came came open and I had to jump at it, although I was a little hesitant because I knew if I got the opportunity to take another dog, I didn't want to go through the pain of losing them again, if that if that makes sense, because you know, we we historically outlive our dogs, and yeah, and and and going through that twice was extremely tough for me.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Yeah, I mean that totally makes sense. And any listener who has a dog that they're gonna connect with that. Uh what I will say from a mindfulness perspective is that in the present moment, the attachment that you have and how they bring us to the present moment, and you know, you don't I mean, I always encourage people not to like not to not do something because of the future, you know, and so um so we're gonna learn about this. So, you know, you Tambo was incredible or is incredible, and um he was misunderstood, he was guarded, he was like the forgotten dog.

Loss, Hesitation, And Coming Back

SPEAKER_01 6:57

Um Yeah, so so that that that story's interesting because I came back as the commander and um our division chief, which was a friend of mine who I came up with in Kine. First thing I asked when I got on is like, hey, when am I getting a dog? And she's like, You're gonna be too busy, you're not getting a dog. And and so we would banter back and forth for a year, and it was the same running joke, uh, hey, when am I getting a dog? She's like, Nope, you're too busy. Yeah, and then one day I went in there again and we were a little short on the team, and she's like, Okay, you want a dog, you gotta take Tambo. And I paused, and the story on Tambo was he was with two other handlers and could not connect, was known as very aloof, you know, guarded, stubborn. And he's probably, you know, we had a uh about 40 dogs on our team, and he was probably the dog I interacted with the least, yeah, had the least amount of interaction with. And so I took some hesitation in in saying that I would take him, and then you know, I quickly thought about it and said that I'm up for the challenge. And I just remember that, you know, first day getting him out of the kennel, looking at him, Pete, and saying, Wow, this this dog is is you know, seeing in his eyes how guarded he is, how aloof. And then I said to myself, I'm looking in a mirror. I'm looking at myself. Yeah, and then I said, Well, maybe this is meant to be after all.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Wow. Yeah. How'd you come to that realization?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Just kind of looking at him. And you know, I've always, you know, been the guy that, you know, sometimes misunderstood, you know, I'm yeah, um, you know, more reserved and and quiet, and and sometimes people misunderstand me, and and I've had those labels before, and then you know, I'm looking at this dog in that moment, and it it just kind of hit me. And at that time, I said, maybe, maybe this is something much bigger. We were we were meant to come together, but it was just ironic that that was a dog that really the the the dog that nobody talked about on the unit that just bounced around and and here I am, him and I staring at each other, and and that was the start of of something much bigger.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Don't they say not to stare at a dog?

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Well, I mean he didn't mind. With these dogs, you you have to, you know, if I always say if you don't establish yourself as the alpha with these dogs, they'll be sleeping in the bed and you'll be on the floor.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

So Yeah, yeah. My um that that's really so to when you said 40 dogs, I had this like image in my head that popped up of like uh like a Cesar Milan or you know, like a field of all like do they all do they all see each other and or do they get along with the other working dogs?

SPEAKER_01 9:31

Yeah, well, all the dogs have kind of have that male or female, they that we have kind of have that alpha personality. So they all wanna when one dog's out and they see the other one working, they're all getting jealous and they're all kind of barking and they all want to, you know, claim that wherever you're training or working, they want to claim that area as their own. So, but for the most part, most of them get along. Sometimes you get two alpha males together, and for whatever reason, they just they're just not gonna get along, just like humans, right? There's people that that we don't sometimes uh yeah get along with. But yeah, um, we had a kennel, so the handlers took the dogs home. But on days that, you know, if you if you were going out of town or needed to put the dog up there for the night, we had we had covered, so they were always you know, always taken care of.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Are they uh neutered or spay or like is that like a a requirement either way of like not doing it or doing it? Just curious.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

No, we don't we don't neuter or spay them um until until unless they have a medical issue or they're ready to uh retire.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

So at retirement they do it. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Okay and a lot of a lot of times they if they may have like prostate um prostate issues that you know we'll neuter them beforehand, which a lot of dogs do, but for the most part, we you know we keep them intact and and and work them without you know any spay or neuter.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Well, and so what about your working years with Tambo? Like how would you describe those?

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Um it it was it it wasn't a bond overnight. I had I really had to work at that because again, this is a dog that um, for example, right before I took him, another handler tried to take him home. And I've told this story before in other interviews. Tambo got in the house, looked at him, and said, Nah, you're not my guy. Lifted his leg, peed right on his wall, and uh leaned to sleigh the next day. Tambo was was was back in the kennel. So um the the trust with Tambo took some time, and you know, I didn't I didn't force it. You know, I like to I like to let that come naturally, and I think and I I I think Pete he he probably saw a little bit of himself and me. Sure. And I and I think that that's what he needed. He needed the right handler to kind of come along and and bring out his personality.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah, the bond is real. I mean, I get it. I mean, I you know, there might be a listener who's like, I don't really understand, you know, but that's like that's some real stuff. Like there's no doubt that they teach us so much. And I always say that like um when I first when I got Marco, I had Tabitha first, when I got Marco, they got in one fight over food. Because Tabitha's the alpha. Um actually they used to use Tabitha at the um the doggy daycare and like all the kennels to help integrate with into the pack. So if there was a new dog coming, she was the one they put them with first. So they got in one fight over food. And they never fought again, and they didn't hold on to it, they weren't mad at each other, they laid down with each other after. Like, why can't humans do that?

The “Forgotten” Dog: Choosing Tambo

SPEAKER_01 12:17

And and I I say all the time, I I we've I look at how a dog lives their life, and I I think as humans, we we we complicate things so much, and that and that's how you know Tambo's taught me so much over the the last year and just the way he he conducts himself day in and day out through all of this.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Absolutely. So um I know that he's going through a serious health battle, and so tell us about the diagnosis.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Yeah, so he retired in in 2022. He had a career-ending injury that um he tore a ligament, he was creeping up to about nine years old. You know, we didn't want to put him through surgery. So um, you know, we retired him and it was good timing because it was right around the the time of the birth of my son. So um, and and these dogs needed a job to do, and in a way, I think Tambo saw my son as an extension of me.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Because when you retire, these dogs still want to go to work with you. Yeah, and um, you know, that that never leaves them. And so we recovered from that. And then he had a um then he had a double CCL tear um chasing a squirrel in the yard. So he went through the went through that surgery, did an amazing full recovery, and uh, you know, we were rocking and rolling um in retirement, doing a lot of ambassador work for you know Project Canine Hero, which I know we'll get into. Um but it was a uh it was a normal day. Came down, fed him breakfast that morning. He he's very regimented still. He likes to get his breakfast at 5 a.m. I I went to work. Yeah, and um, you know, I never leave work early, Pete. And that day I I was just feeling very anxious. Um, I was having palpitations, and I just said I I I I can't be at work. And I told them I was leaving, and I left about two and a half hours early, and which I never do. Um came home that day. Tambo usually greets me right at the door, wasn't there. Um, I I found I quickly went into the dining room um and I found him sprawled out. He had vomited. Um, first thing I did was, you know, I checked his gums, his gums were pale, which was indicative of blood loss. Sure. And um stomach a little distended, so I knew I had to get him right over to the vet. And so I rushed him over, and you know, I I didn't know what was wrong, but I knew it was it was a life or death situation. And um, you know, they had came out and said, look, he had a he had a mass uh rupture on his spleen, um, and he's he's he's bleeding out, so they need to do emergency surgery for a blood transfusion and um and remove the spleen. Um so I had to make the decision right then and there of whether I wanted to do surgery or not, because it was a it was gonna be a 50-50 chance if if he was even gonna make it through surgery. Um, but knowing Tambo and knowing that the the fighter he was, I knew right away that you know I wanted to go through that that surgery and um and give him a chance. And um, so they did the surgery. They called me, they said they were gonna call me within an hour and let me know how things were going. And they called me up and they said, Hey, uh, Chris, we got him opened up, and his his spleen is absolutely covered in masses. He had about 15 masses on his his spleen, and they said, from what we can feel, we think that there's there's masses on his liver as well, and we're pretty sure this is uh cancer. Do you still want to go through with the surgery? And again, another emotional moment, but I didn't I didn't hesitate, Pete. I said, absolutely, yeah. I know my boy, I I I know the fighter that he is, and um so they did it, and and he re he was up and eating within within two days.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

It was wild. Um already up and and moving, and then you know, four days later, biopsy came back and they confirmed it was cancer, which was uh called hemangiosarcoma, which is known as the silent killer in dogs.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Yeah, I think that's what my Tabitha has. So um she my Tabitha, the oldest, was given two uh three to six months to live two and a half years ago.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

Wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, so she and we did no treatment, no nothing. Like, so she's now 15. Um and so I think that's what it is, but it's like you know, knowing that it's it's such a like connection that you have, um you know, anyway. But Tabitha's in her mouth, and so she's uh I wonder I I'm actually I want some advice. May I ask for some advice from you? Because you're like the expert in this.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

With the with the cancer?

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Well, so she's like bleeding all over the place. Um, but we're just you know, I like every day I clean all the tumors. Hers is in her mouth.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

So she's got it in her mouth. Okay, I I gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 16:53

Yeah, every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Have you had them looked at or like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

We did the biopsy. We did it, we did a biopsy, and that's when they were like said it's this like really aggressive cancer. That's why he was like, look, it's probably gonna be three to six months because it just takes them really fast. We're at two and a half years.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Wow, that's that's that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Tambo and Tabitha, man.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

So what's the update on Tambo's health though, anyway?

SPEAKER_01 17:16

So so initially, right off the bat, they gave him they gave him two weeks. They said this is uh this is a very aggressive cancer. Um, if if one of these masses form again, um you're you're now looking at an emergency situation. They said, Oh, by the way, if you would have came home um, you know, two hours later, he wouldn't have made it. He would have bled out. Wow. So something told me to come home early that day.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Oh, totally connection.

Building Trust With A Guarded Partner

SPEAKER_01 17:41

Something big bit bigger, and I know that that was our connection. So got to the got to the oncologist, and she told me the same thing. She said, Look, chemo's not going to do much if this cancer is on the liver, which they suspect. We're gonna do an ultrasound, um, and and then what we can kind of decide the way forward. So she came back in and she said, I can't believe it. There's there's no the cancer didn't spread to the liver liver like they thought. So he's a candidate for for chemotherapy. So so we started it that day. Wow. And um he went through five intravenous sessions um once every uh at once every two weeks up in uh Malvern PA. Okay. And it it and and I made the most out of it because you know, I I took off of work those days, and it was kind of like we were back in it together, we were in the car together again, and we and I and I would always tell him on every ride, this is our this is our biggest call, this is our last big adventure together. And um, you know, and I started documenting that's when I started documenting everything on uh Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

And I didn't want to make it all gloom and doom, so I would do different themes every time for chemo. I did a uh I did a John Cena theme. Yeah, and um we wore the never give up t-shirts. I you know, I did a Rocky theme, I did an Ice Cube theme. Yeah, um, so we we made it fun and he started to get a you know a really big following, but as we went through it, he every time he was going back for a checkup, there was no signs of of cancer. So that was this all started in July, Pete, and we're now in in December. So this this is a dog that has really kind of he has not given up. No, he's and I I've said he's defied the odds. He's kind of beaten every odds that they've they've put in front of him, and um, you know, with that, his his popularity really started to grow to where you know we just got honored um on November 16th by the uh Philadelphia Eagles on uh on Sunday night football. So uh they brought us out uh first time out in uh in the first quarter and kind of read over Tambo's story. And once they got to the point where they talked about you know fighting a a uh his biggest battle ever with the terminal cancer, we got a standing ovation from seven. 70,000 people, which was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Talk about goosebumps.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Yo, I I have them right now. That's really like and you'll have that forever. I mean, that's you know, uh, that's literally his like he's created a legacy. So he's he went viral. He's got this following social media, that the the Eagles.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Uh yeah, and and and I tell you what's symbolic the day before you know the about the whole thing is I've been using the the Rocky Balboa under the underdog theme. He got his chemotherapy right outside of Philadelphia, got honored by the by the by the Eagles, and um that Saturday before the game, we ran the uh the Rocky stairs in in downtown Philly and and got the pictures, and um, you know, I I I posted them. So how how symbolic. And you know, they kind of ended the the presentation with a Philadelphia fighter through and through and and the fans loved it. And um as he as they put the camera on him, he just started to bark more, and he just kind of came to life. And and and the more he barked, the more the crowd cheered, and it's just something that I'll that'll have forever, that moment.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Well, they're such smart dogs, and he knew. It's like it is like he knew just to get the audience going. And uh uh I'm not an I'm not an Eagles hater, so that's good, even as a New York person. But I actually really I love Saquon being there. And I uh you know, you can't Hertz is just like such a cool guy. So anyway, it just seems like you know, it's it's such a good way to honor Tambo. And so now you also have this Project K9 Hero. Want to you tell us about that?

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, so I I'd met um the founder of Project K9 Hero, Jason Johnson, um, a few years earlier at a conference. And for people that aren't aware what Project K9 Hero is, they're a national nonprofit, and what they do is they provide um lifelong uh medical care to retired police and military working dogs that have significant health issues. So, what a lot of people don't know, Pete, is that after these dogs retire, there's no pension form, there's no health care set up. That that burden of cost falls on these handlers, and that's that's really when they need the care the most. So Jason and his team um stepped in actually right um on Tambo's first initial double CCL tear, and that was that was seven thousand dollars, and after rehab, we were at ten. Yeah, and then um his emergency surgery to to remove his spleen and um for the blood transfusion, that was nine thousand dollars, and then through all the chemo sessions, we're now totaled at 30 grand that they've they've put toward his care. Amazing. Yeah, I mean it's and they've been they they've been a lifeline, and I say all the time that I don't think any handler that has a dog that served our country and our community should ever have to make a decision with their dog based on finances.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Oh, definitely not. I'm really happy I support that too, and that's really beautiful. They do so much for us, these animals, and so it's really great to hear that. So Project K9 Hero, we'll have a link to that in the show notes, and you know, maybe people can support that. And so I also hear that you finished a draft of a children's book.

Retirement, Injury, And A Sudden Crisis

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Yes, yes, so um so I i if you told me uh a year ago that I'd be writing the children's book, I told you you were crazy. So this dog is is inspired me in ways that um that like like I can't I haven't would never have imagined. And I'll tell you what started it is as I started documenting all of his stuff on Instagram and he started getting his following, cancer patients started reaching out to me. Um uh people saying their dad's gone through stage four pancreatic cancer and it's terminal, but he wanted to kick he he didn't want to do chemo anymore, he wanted to stop fighting, and he saw Tambo, and that gave him the the drive to continue to fight and to to live each day like like it like it's their last. And and then mothers reaching out to me about their their children going through cancer and looking forward to seeing Tambo's post, and that that really hit me deep. And you know, I had my son late in life, Pete, he's three, yeah, and um I Tambo is his hero. And I know, you know, I kind of not to get in my personal life, but I grew up with without a dad and and sometimes you know feeling small and stuff. So I wanted to create a book that inspired children, not only that are going through that are sick, that are going through hard times, but that that have ever felt small. And you know, it talks about Tambo serving the country, getting sick, but then getting better, and then inspiring children and and giving them hope. And uh so the book's done, just working on the uh the illustration now, and I should have that out um in uh early 26. And um, I'm about uh 20 chapters in on the uh his adult book for the for his story. We're gonna do a two-book series. The first one's gonna end um at the Eagles game because that was kind of our full circle moment.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

And then the second book I'll pick up from there for the rest of his life, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Yeah, so what an inspiration. It's really amazing to hear that. And when you talk about the children's book, I mean, and thanks for sharing your personal. I mean, we all have something we connect with, and so obviously that's it it all it's all full circle. Yeah, you know, it's all full circle. So you and Tambo are really such an inspiration and a great reminder just to keep you know fighting every day, a reminder of resilience. Uh, you know, so thank you, uh Chris, so much for being here and and uh give Tambo a big hug for me when you get down back downstairs.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

I I definitely will, Pete. And and again, he's gonna continue to defy the odds, and and and I told him we're we're not done yet. We're we're just getting started. So um this is just the start of it, and I expect him to be around for you know a long period of time. And and I'm a true believer in that you know, when you have positivity and you have the positive outlook on life because doctors have tried to give him expiration dates, yeah. I just respectfully tell them I don't want to hear it because I believe the mind, body, and spirit is what keeps us going.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Amen. Amen. So where can people find you know about you or Tambo or Project K9 Hero?

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Yeah, so um primarily right now I'm I'm on Instagram, so you can find me on there. My hand always canine tambo. That's lowercase k, the number nine underscore tambo, t-a-m um bo. And then um Project K9 Hero is is also on all social media platforms, and you can also look them up on their website at Project K9hero.org. And there's there's a slew of other stories about other dogs that they've helped that have been shot, stabbed in the line of duty, or other dogs that have cancer, and um, you know, Project K9 Hero giving them that lifeline to give them a second chance at life.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Yeah, we'll have all that in the show notes. So, Chris, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Thank you, Pete.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

Yeah, uh so thanks for tuning in. As always, if you like this episode, please like, fair, uh, share, and follow. Everything's at Official Dr. Pete. We have all the show notes here for Chris and Tambo. And we will see you next week. Until then, spread a little kindness, stay well.