A Former Division I Athlete Explains How To Handle Anxiety And Identity Loss

Join Dr. Pete & Alyssa Ercolino for our first episode of May's Mental Health Awareness Month series. Alyssa Ercolino is a Licensed Professional Counselor with experience working with a diverse population of individuals, including athletes. She earned her Master’s degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Monmouth University and brings a unique perspective shaped by her background as a Division I athlete and coach. Alyssa has a deep understanding of the role resilience plays in achieving both emotional and physical well-being. Her therapeutic approach is grounded in compassion, collaboration, and a strong belief in the innate strength of every individual.

Learn more about Alyssa here: 

https://thecwcnj.com/alyssa-ercolino

And find more resources for Mental Heath Awareness here: 

https://www.nami.org/stay-connected/events/awareness-events/mental-health-awareness-month/

Transcript

Welcome And Mental Health Focus

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Welcome back to On Air with Dr. Pete. I'm your host, Dr. Pete Econamo, and it is always great to be here. As you know, May is Mental Health Awareness Month, and I believe that the importance of having an open, honest conversation around mental health is huge. A bunch of my work in the private practice focuses on supporting clients with their mental health well-being while trying to give them some optimization of performance. So I'm thrilled today to have Alyssa Ercolino, who is a licensed professional counselor, experienced working with a diverse population of individuals, including athletes. She earned a master's degree in clinical mental health counseling from Mammoth University. And she brings a unique perspective, having been shaped with her background as a Division I athlete and coach. She has a deep understanding of a role of resilience plays in achieving both emotional and physical well-being. Her therapeutic approach is grounded in

Meet Alyssa And Her Background

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compassion, collaboration, and strong strength of every individual. She's studying for her PhD, which I know. I didn't have to even read that intro that Lee made for us, but I was happy to. Alyssa, welcome to the show.

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Thanks for having me.

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Well, I'm also happy because uh we work together, and so I get to know uh I've I've got to see your journey, which has been really fun.

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Yeah.

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How has the journey been for you?

SPEAKER_02 1:29

It's been good. I think that um since we had met probably five years ago at this point. Which seems kind of crazy. Um, because you feel like a new a new person in my life.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

It's not so new anywhere. Wait, was it it was probably pre-COVID though, so it's probably longer.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

It wasn't. It was my internship was 2021. Yeah.

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Okay.

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So I was I was the intern at Seaton Hall when the flood happened.

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Right. Right after COVID. Right after COVID, okay. Yeah.

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It was yeah. So it was everyone was getting ready to go back to normal life, and then there was the flood, and then we ended up being virtual.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Yeah, so we flooded in the basement and uh well and actually the story of you meeting me, you were how many people did you email that because you were trying to get some sports psychology?

SPEAKER_02 2:16

I emailed the whole list of CMPCs that were in New Jersey, and so I found it online. And at the time there was probably only maybe eight names on it. It was really small.

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Yeah.

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And whoever responded, I took a Zoom call with, and you and I just happened to connect.

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Yeah. So so tell everyone about yourself then. Tell them about Alyssa Urcolino.

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Well, I was an athlete myself. I played field hockey at Mammoth University.

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Yeah.

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I guess what's kind of interesting is I was a recruited walk-on. So I didn't receive a scholarship.

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Yeah.

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I was recruited, but um yeah.

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Yeah.

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I ultimately did not get any playing time my freshman year, which is really hard.

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Yeah.

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I was a red shirt, like a true red shirt.

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Yeah.

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And coming from a I came from a high school program that has a big legacy. We won state championships, like we are a good program, transitioning now into a team where I was the worst player on the team. And and we were not good. We like started the season oh and nine, and I had probably lost a total of five games in my life.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Wow.

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As a high school athlete.

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Right.

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So that was a big transition. But I worked pretty hard and I was able to, you know, become a captain and a starter and you know, do really well in my college career.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Well, I I love that you said that. Like you're like, well, it's actually interesting that I was a recruited walk-on, you know, because we create such this like elitist approach of like what it means to be like the star versus just not the star.

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Yeah.

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I mean, what so what what was that like?

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Well, I I think you know, I was thinking interesting because that's like not a thing anymore, right? Are there recruited walk-ons?

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Well, we're allowed to right now. We almost the house settlement almost prevented that from happening. Yeah. No, so in this moment you still could, but you're right, it's not a lost art. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. But

Walk-On Setbacks And Not Quitting

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from my experience, I think I didn't realize that.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I I wasn't a star on my high school team either. So I think that's interesting. Of I had probably over the course of my four years, 10 girls go and play division one field hockey. So it wasn't an abnormal type of thing that my high school was experiencing, or it wasn't abnormal for me to play division one and not be the best athlete in my high school.

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Right.

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So that transition, I wasn't expecting to be the best or necessarily um play a ton of minutes, but to get zero, it's kind of, you know, that's a big difference.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

How did you handle that? Like, were you upset or did you like Yeah, I wanted to quit. Yeah. Did you ever like make a decision to quit?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. I love tell that story because I tell that to athletes a lot. Like I also did. I made I went to the office one day. I talked to my parents. I was scholarship. Uh, we figured the mine money out, and I was like, I'm gonna quit, I'm gonna quit, but I never quit that day. I didn't have I didn't have it to go into the office to quit.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Yeah. So I am from the town where Mameth is in Westlong Ranch. Yeah. So my parents were there. I um remember my dad took me to the windmill to get a hot dog and cheese fries because what else do you need when you're upset? And we had the conversation. And I was really afraid to have that conversation. It come from like a blue-collar, hardworking, you don't quit kind of family. So um, I think that for my dad to be supportive, and you know, if this isn't for you, it's not necessarily about sport, it's about you getting your education and whichever way you want to do that, he was endorsing of that was really great for me to hear.

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Yeah.

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I ultimately stuck it out. This was in the middle of probably October of my freshman year. Feel like it's a fall sport.

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Yeah.

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And then I remember the season ended like early November. We had about two weeks off, and then winter workouts started. And I instantly felt like the playing field was just even. Like there weren't starters and non-starters. We were just running and lifting. I was like fit enough, but I wasn't skilled enough to be on the field.

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Okay.

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Um, so that kind of like pushed me up from like last place to like middle of the pack.

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Nice.

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Um, and I gained like a sense of like, all right, I can do this, even though this is really hard and I don't know if I'm gonna play or what that will look like in the future. Um, my confidence increased a lot.

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And for anyone listening, I mean, field hockey is it's a really competitive sport. It's a confusing sport. Well, I know we'll dive into that. We have to. Uh all right, well, I'll we'll dive that now. So I I remember I was like, Alyssa, can we please go watch a field hockey game together? Because as a as a former coach, I was like, if I watch with her, I'm gonna understand this a little bit more. And then there was like at least six whistles. And Lyssa's like, yeah, I don't know what just happened there either. And I was like, Thank goodness.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

The rules are really confusing, and it's hard to see when you're standing on the sideline. But as I don't think the reps know half the time. But as a field hockey world, you believe you understand that too.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Anyone in the field hockey world understands that, yeah. But as a coach, it must be infuriating.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Yeah, because you don't know what the heck is going on either.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yeah, yeah. Well, I love that sort of uh story of resilience of just getting there. And so would you like what role did that play in your career choice, would you say then?

SPEAKER_02 7:19

Well, as an athlete, I was the athlete that like really over-identified or only had one identity of being an athlete. I think like making that choice to, you know, I'm gonna stick it out, I'm gonna reach my full potential. I want to be the best that I can be in my sport. I was like a hundred percent all in. Yeah. So if you had met me, if you had met me then, I would have definitely been in your office. Um I probably would have like worked through some things before I had actually graduated.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Yeah. But there wasn't someone like that at Mammoth University when you were there as an athlete.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Yeah, right. It was there was a doctoral, somebody did their dissertation with maybe coaches or athletes at the university. So I did have

Athlete Identity And Game-Day Anxiety

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an opportunity to speak to someone one time.

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Yeah.

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And it was like maybe an hour, and I remember she gave me some video to watch, and it was helpful enough, but I never went back, and I don't even know if there was opportunity to go back.

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Sure, sure.

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Yeah.

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And then so that had a big impact on your career choice.

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Yeah.

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Tell everybody how. I mean, I could see I know how, but like how did that, how did that experience of over-identifying as an athlete then make your choice to say, hey, I want to work with athletes?

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Yeah, it was um a slow burn, for lack of better words. I graduated, well, I was an early childhood education major undergrad. So when I finished my season, mid-November or whatever, I had like a month and then the semester ended. And then I went straight into student teaching because with that major, it's all set up for you to essentially get into a school system as soon as you're done with school. So me not putting any thought into like what do I want to do with my life, I had amazing coaches who were also teachers. Yeah. I was like, this seems like the right path. I think that when my season ended, I struggled really bad, even before I like anticipating that it was ending.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Yeah.

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I remember like the one of my last games, we were playing in a championship and I was so bad. Like my anxiety was so high. And like I didn't have the words to describe what was going on. But I remember thinking, like, oh my God, I've been working my entire life for this moment right now. And like I remember my teammates being like, dude, are like, are you okay? Um, it was yeah, like completely like just not there.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Yeah. Looking looking back on that, like one to ten, like how anxious do you think you were?

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Like a 10. Yeah. I was yeah, I I was so bad. Like, I I'm sure there's game film somewhere, and if I was to watch it, it would be horrible.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

Probably like trigger, yeah, yeah. Brings you right back to that feeling.

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Yeah, and I remember being like, I never want to feel like that ever again.

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Uh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's really important for people to hear because that's so deep. And and it was all tied up in like this whole thing is about to end.

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Yeah.

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That's what I'm hearing. Yeah.

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Yep. And I was in my senior year, like I was the only captain of the team. I was one of two seniors, like, there was just a lot kind of going on. Um, and I was so over identified and so invested in especially my last season, that like, okay, now I'm anticipating the final days in sports. You every team basically ends with a loss unless you're a national championship, right? Like champion winner.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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But to like being your conference final, I didn't want that, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Obviously not. So, I mean, I could I know now, and one of the things that so we were able to do is that you had this internship with us, you worked as a student counselor working with athletes. Then we were able to build a system at Mammoth together because there was no sport psychology support for athletes. And so, what was that like to like be at this place and then to you know, to together? That's where we we really built our relationship and then build this

Building Sport Psychology Support On Campus

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whole thing together.

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Yeah, that was like an awesome experience. I reflect back on that and I'm like, wow, I had like no business doing that. And I just thought I did because I was really passionate and I knew at that moment, like at that time in my life, I did not want to coach anymore.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that this is exactly like what I meant to do and what I wanted to pursue.

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Yeah.

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And Mammoth had the need.

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Totally.

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There's 600 athletes, there's nobody there. Yeah. Um, and I think that, you know, we were really lucky to connect with Jen.

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Yeah. Athletic director.

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The current athletic director. And she was passionate about it too, and you know, really went to bat for us and our vision to create something like that for the student athletes.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

So, how is that framed? Like, how do you work with clients today? Because the other the other piece I think is interesting for people to hear about this is that then there came a time when you came when we left the Mammoth Project and we're still involved, but you you came to the other side of just more kind of clinical practice. You hadn't really worked with like non-athletes that much. Yeah. Oh, and so that's been also part of your growth. So, like, how do you work with clients? Like, what's your client approach?

SPEAKER_02 12:14

It's definitely a big transition.

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Yeah.

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To go from all of my experience to be with athletes to then having non-athletes as a big part of the practice. When I think about working with clients who are non-athletes or athletes, it's it's very similar at the end of the day, right? Like showing up, making sure that I'm genuine in who I am, making sure that, you know, I am able to create a space where clients feel open to share things about themselves, asking questions to gain an understanding of who they are and making sure that I'm not like filling in with any sorts of assumptions about who they who they could be. Um but I think like I I hope, right, that my clients, when they walk in, they feel a sense of genuine genuineness. Um, because I really feel like I'm I'm me no matter where I am.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Yeah. You are. I love I love hearing you say that. I've never heard you say that. So it's actually it's kind of weird as I'm reading some of these questions that Lee proposed because I'm like, oh yeah, that's a great question. Go ahead, Lee. That's funny. I know it is funny. I also like to show up my radically genuine self.

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You do.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

But I I would assume also that you know cognitive behavioral therapy is also a big piece of your intervention and the way that you're working with athletes too. And clients, any of your clients you work with. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anything you would add to that about some of the clients and and just how they might what that would look like?

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Like using CBT?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Like the big thing with CBT is identifying like the connections between thoughts, emotions, and behaviors.

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Yeah.

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So I like to kind of reframe anxious thoughts as ants. I like literally like picture ants like crawling on the ground. Yeah. Right. You wouldn't just like leave a pile of ants in the corner of your house to like multiply and grow and and then take over. So like the idea of like we have to start to be able to identify, like, hey, there's a problem in my thought patterns.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah.

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So recognizing too that like using CBT is kind of like um like a mind jam, I kind of think about. Like you have to like restructure and like work at it. It's not super easy the first time you do it. Just like if we were at the gym, it wouldn't be super easy for you to just run a mile if you never had before.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

I hate running.

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I know.

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You know, because we also go to the same gym, so we get to see each other at the gym, which is which is

Therapy Style And CBT Ants

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great. Yeah. Because we practice what we preach.

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Yeah.

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I don't let the I have I hire exterminators. I'm my own exterminator for those ants. Right. And we take care of our well-being. So what advice do you have for high school athletes? Because you know, you you talked about being a walk-on, a recruited walk-on. High school athletes, I think, suffer the most from NIL revenue share because they're less recruited right now because the portal really impacts that. So you have any advice for high school athletes or parents of high school athletes?

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I think the first thing is like it's it's hard. Like it's it is hard. So we have to recognize and normalize that things are constantly changing and making maybe dreams or realities or whatever it was that you thought that you wanted a lot more difficult to achieve. And that's not because of you or like because you're not good enough. There's structures and systems and things that you know, people who are higher up and you know have opportunities to make these decisions that are directly affecting you, but that doesn't mean that everything that you've done in your life up until this point is not worth it.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

That is really good advice. Uh, it also sounds like a soon-to-be doctor in organizational science.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

That's probably where that came from.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Maybe talk about that degree for maybe someone who's listening who might be considering, you know, some sort of doctoral or graduate training. So you have a master's in counseling, but talk about your doctoral training.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Um, I am a year and a half into doctoral training. Um, I had to think about that for a second.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Um, but yeah, so I'm doing my doctorate in um industrial organizational psychology, learning a lot about systems, leadership. Um, and the classes have been great so far. Right now I'm transitioning literally next week or in two weeks to the doctoral dissertation phase of the um of the program.

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Yeah.

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So yeah.

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And we're gonna study what what do you think what what do you what are you leaning towards that you might be studying for that program?

SPEAKER_02 16:35

I definitely have ideas. And I was in the shower and I was like, oh, maybe I want to do a different idea now.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

What was it? Let's go. What was it?

SPEAKER_02 16:41

So yeah, my well, first I was kind of set on wanting to examine coach leadership styles and their relationship to their own personal mental health. But then I was thinking it would be kind of interesting to examine how the transfer portal is impacting maybe coach mental health.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Yeah, totally, totally.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Yeah, that might be like more, I don't know, current niche. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

This is where it happens in the shower. This is how uh this is how a scientist thinks. Um, all right, so another advice thing. So like athletes that are listening, what could they do? And so obviously you're you're even in those two examples, like focused on mental health, you know, in the sports world. What can athletes do to take care of their mental health while they're away at school and any advice for parents who are navigating this period?

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Yeah, um, if you're an athlete and you're in college, I would definitely see what resources your your school offers. Um, there should be somebody at this point um who is like us on campus that can help you. Um, but I think that there's little things you can do to um like improve your mental health on your own, making sure that you're sleeping enough, taking care of yourself, um, setting aside

Self-Care Habits For Athletes

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every day to practice self-care. 20 minutes. Like I love to kind of use that reframe. It's um really can be easy to find.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Yeah.

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Go for a walk or even listen to a podcast or music or do some breathing. I think that we want to be intentional with how we're using those 20 minutes and make sure it's not just sitting in your bed on social media.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Amen. Walk your dog.

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Walk your dog. Yeah, I love to walk my dog.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

We have, especially as the weather gets nicer here on the East Coast. Yeah, that that is helpful. And I like I like you said that. I mean, uh most schools probably have something, but we they probably need more resources too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Yeah, I mean it's something that uh you know it's not it's not easy for a lot of people. What tools help you in your daily life to manage anxiety or stress?

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Walking my dog. Definitely walking my dog, definitely going to the gym. That is like a practice that has to be a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Although you told me the other day they're getting a little bored.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

I am getting a little bit bored. And this is actually the first time I've ever felt like that. I've always kind of been able to just like, I don't know, bounce around and do whatever, but I feel like I need a like a restructuring or a new focus um a little bit at the gym.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah. Well, you have you have a a a workout partner from time to time. I mean, you have a lot of good systems in place.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

But even that can get boring. I think that's helpful for people to hear because you know, you're young, you're fit, and I think a a lot of people get bored at the gym and then they just quit.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

You and I almost quit. So we we we have that in common. Uh and and we know that when you commit to something and you you stick it out, like how does that make you feel at the end?

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Yeah, super fulfilled. Super fulfilled.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Yeah. Is it what would you do? Any anything you would do differently? Like if you looking back at your time as uh either an athlete or a coach, what would you what's like one or two things you would do differently?

SPEAKER_02 19:50

I'll give you one for athlete and one for coach.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Okay, I love that.

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As an athlete, I would spend time developing other aspects of who I am. Yeah. Just learn more about myself and not have everything just be about sport all the time. As a coach, I've coached like in two different contexts, like in college athletics and then also like youth developmental and you know, helping my team. They're all gonna be seniors and they're all committed and it's all great now.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

So nice.

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I think I would just back myself a little bit more. Um, I was so young being a coach and you know, coaching some of my teammates, and all of that was really uncomfortable. And I think I never realized maybe how much of an impact I could have had because I was so afraid of like disrupting relationships or judgment for being a coach, right? Like you hear you're in the locker room having conversations about your coaches and then

Lessons Learned Plus Where To Find Her

SPEAKER_02 20:45

you become one. Like it feels uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Yeah, yeah. I love that's really good. Uh that's really good reflection because you know, you you do. And even in supervision, we've talked about how sometimes teams rally around the fact that they don't like something about their coach. And coaching is not an easy job, and you know, it's you have to find that that line. And um, I I think one one of the things that sucks sticks out to me today in knowing you in our conversation is I think we we were able to empower you a bit, you know, like you said, who who did I think I was to be running this show at mommy?

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

And you were exactly where you were supposed to be, you know, and maybe not not perfectly, you know, because you were, you know, you still needed development and you still and you did all that though. Like your your resilience and your work ethic kind of lends to that, and it was and it showed, and it was a very successful program, and you grow into something that's like super, super incredible.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Thanks. That's what I said.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yeah, it's true. It's just really nice to see. I think it's you know something you need to celebrate too. So that's what I would do differently. I would celebrate my small victories more often because we don't as high performers.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

Yeah, yeah. That was really nice for you to say that.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Yeah. So well, I know where people could find you. They could head. But where would you tell people to find you if they want? learn more about you.

SPEAKER_02 22:02

Um you can find me on LinkedIn, just Alyssa Urcolino, and you can also find me um at the CWCNJ.com.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

Yeah. And so Alyssa Urcolino, soon to be Dr. Alyssa Urcolino, and uh it was so fun to have you on this episode. I know maybe we'll do a part two where we'll we'll figure like another topic that we can talk about.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Yeah, or I feel like I need like a a 10 year later, like where's she at? I don't know where I'm gonna be, you know?

SPEAKER_00 22:27

Who knows? I don't know where you're gonna be either. We started we started to plant those seeds though and and yeah I know. I like when people blossom and just grow and do their thing. I think it's important. I don't I have you know there's some horror stories of how peep mentors try and own people. I don't like to do that. No, you don't no you definitely don't no I don't own anybody I don't hardly own myself so forget about that.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

The fact that you're not lying though.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

I know when you know you know I say that too much lately but all right Alyssa thank you so much for being here it was really a pleasure.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Yeah thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

All right and for you listening at home thank you for tuning in as always if you like this episode or the show please like follow and share everything's at official Dr. Pete and until I see you here next week spread a little kindness and stay well