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The Corvus Effect
Ep. 44: Authentic Leadership and Parenting with David Madeira
Episode Links:
LinkedIn -- https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-madeira-66b9908
Summary:
In this episode of The Corvus Effect, David Madeira, a former Division One athlete from the University of Pennsylvania, shares his journey of redefining success on his own terms. From leading significant business turnarounds to prioritizing his role as a father during his daughter Caroline's theatrical journey, David demonstrates how authentic leadership means supporting others' dreams while staying true to one's values. The conversation explores his experience on Penn's lacrosse team that made the Final Four, the leadership lessons he carried into his professional life, and his conscious decision to prioritize parenthood over lucrative career opportunities. His concept of finding one's "North Star" provides a compelling framework for making life's most important decisions. David's creation of enduring father-daughter traditions and his unwavering presence at his daughter's theatrical events exemplify how successful leaders can master the balance between career aspirations and family connections.
Show Notes:
00:32 Meet David Madeira: Redefining Success
01:32 Lessons from Lacrosse: Teamwork and Leadership
03:43 Corporate Turnarounds and Leadership Insights
06:02 Influence Without Authority
09:44 Entrepreneurship and Family Priorities
11:42 Balancing Career and Family
15:36 Supporting Caroline's Dreams
17:30 Balancing Parenthood and Personal Time
19:35 Guiding Through Life's Choices
26:35 Creating Traditions and Bonding
28:28 Supporting Through Thick and Thin
30:11 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
Intro
📍 Welcome to The Corvus Effect, where we take you behind the scenes to explore integrated self leadership and help ambitious family men build lasting legacies for themselves, their tribe, and their community. I'm Scott Raven, and together we'll discover how successful leaders master a delicate balance of career advancement, personal health, financial growth, and meaningful relationships. Get ready to soar.
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Meet David Madeira: Redefining Success
And hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Corvus Effect. I'm Scott, and I have the pleasure of being joined today by David Madiera, a fellow graduate of the University of Pennsylvania and a former Division One athlete who chose to redefine success on his own terms, from leading significant business turnarounds to Cherishing the moments with his daughter's theatrical productions.
He's really shown how authentic leadership. means supporting others dreams while staying true to your values and being able to demonstrate that through courage, adaptation, and the power of being present. So, can't wait to have this chat. David, you know, I've known each other for a while and I've been wanting to have you on the podcast, so welcome man.
Well, thank you for the invitation. I'm happy to be here, Scott.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Lessons from Lacrosse: Teamwork and Leadership
And, you know, when we first got to, know each other, obviously one of the biggest things was that we're both University of Penn grads. I know that you went to school a little bit before I did, and that you were actually on the lacrosse team that made the final four. And I would love to hear about that experience as a starting point.
It's an amazing experience. I mean, we were three seconds away from winning a national championship. I mean, you don't get, when somebody I know who I'm speaking to right now was giving me grief about stinking at bowling
ha ha ha ha.
when we first met, you know, as I said, I was three seconds away from winning a national championship, but that didn't ruin my life.
How was a bad bowling game? No, it was, it's amazing. I mean, it was a great group of teammates. We had 13 members of the class of 88 that, led the team. And that's really the difference that led us to break through. We had good, solid leadership at all levels. We all knew our roles. We contributed to our roles as a backup goalie.
My goal was to make sure that whenever the starter got hurt, got a penalty, I was able to step in. And I did. It wasn't about being a star at that point. I had tried, it didn't work, I didn't get to be the starter, but how do we make a team better?
And we were the only team in three years to come back on Syracuse,
and we were, I forget the moments, probably because I tried to black them out, but I think
Ha ha ha
they scored the game winner with literally four seconds remaining.
It was a tie game at five seconds. And it's the most famous lacrosse game ever, because that's where Gary Gate, who's now the current coach at Syracuse, jumped from behind the net and dunked us, and he got two of them, and it cost us a national championship.
The Gay
But
were phenomenal, I'll put it that way. But what I want to do is those memories of you with that very special lacrosse team, right? Mm hmm. As you said, it taught you a lot in terms of the power of teamwork and what truly matters.
Corporate Turnarounds and Leadership Insights
And I want to better understand from you what were some of the biggest lessons from that experience that you carried over into your professional life?
Because you went from there to some of the corporate turnarounds that you had.
Well, first of all, I mean, I learned lessons of life through sports.
Mm
I don't know if you're familiar with Jeremy
I am.
Okay. Jeremy and I played school hockey against each other, and we had a mutual friend that reintroduced us back when we started with Premiere and, Jeremy was busting my chops cause we lost 10 to one.
I said,
hmm.
You're not even close to my worst loss ever, which was 32 1 when I was in like 7th grade. and he goes,
Hey, you got the one at least, you know, at least it wasn't a zero. So,
Well, no, but sometimes you go against a subject you can't win. And the first American taken number one in the NHL draft played against us.
One of my other friends that played against us was a two time Olympian.
right,
Etc, etc. Their goalie won Stanley Cups as a backup for Gerdor in New Jersey. I mean, you look back at it and say, how are we going to be on the same ice? And, those are the lessons that I learned, because by the end of the year we lost them 5 3.
It was a huge victory, and
I would say that, that is significant growth right there. Absolutely. Mm
I will probably say the first period they weren't skating that hard because they thought they had it in the pocket, but by the third they were like, we can't lose to these guys. that's the lessons that I learned about life, is that you work hard.
listen to your coach or the leaders and everybody plays together and you play better. that was, I mean, there was no way back in 88 that we could go player to player with Syracuse. There's just no way. However, we could as a team and we maximized our abilities and our coach was great at taking chicken stuffing and making chicken salad.
See, for me, I would just take the chicken stuffing, right, and dump some gravy on it, right, and call it a day. So,
But he found ways to run plays that maximize our strength and found ways to minimize our weaknesses. And that's something I learned as a player. I also used as a coach and I've also used in business.
Influence Without Authority
And with that, the other most important lesson that I think I've learned is that power doesn't Doesn't come in an organization from your official title,
I agree with
most important thing is whether it be information, whether it be the interpersonal, so you can find the ways to motivate somebody. For instance, in one of my bigger turnarounds was a 4, 000 acre orange grove, that is now condominiums, townhouses, and everything outside of West Palm.
Mm hmm. Mm
I didn't have official,
hmm. Mm
but I went through and I listened to everybody's concerns, where the trips were at each other and by understanding and listening to their problems and doing so in an honest way and that they felt listened to, they had trust that I was working towards.
So if they didn't get everything they needed. They were getting a good chunk of what they needed and that they were being heard, that they knew that this was a problem and that if we needed to go back for a second round of revisions or third rounds of revision, that it would be addressed.
And I mean, it's like. I had no power as a backup goalie on the Lacrosse team. However, the coach hired me the next year to teach the defense to all the incoming freshmen. Why? Because I knew it that well, and that was my role, was to keep everybody ready to play in as well as myself. And
that's really some of the lessons I've learned.
One, you stay with it. And you work as a team. You do not start shooting your teammates. You can in the locker room, but when you get back out there outside the door or on the field or whatever, you are one unit.
I agree. You know, it bring up an interesting concept, uh, there, uh, phrase that I always use, which is the ability to influence without authority is one of the strongest abilities that one can have in this life. And as you think about that project down at West Palm, where. You really did have to influence without authority, but there were people that you had to work with who did have quote unquote authority.
What were some of the ways that you approached them in order to get to the end goals that you wanted?
had a contract cause I had just gotten out of my government school at Penn and learned management. So I had a lot of things running in my head, but how do you apply them? A lot of it was walking around, talking, asking people about their jobs, saying, can I follow you? To find out and getting their trust.
I mean, the best example is the head of maintenance. When he was far enough away, cause he knew I was friends with the owners, said, ask me the following question. If you came over to my house to watch FSU or NASCAR, would you bring your own beer or would you drink my Bush beer? I said, look, one, I was taught you always bring something.
So I'd at least bring a six pack.
but after two beers, it doesn't matter what I drink anymore. So I'll drink your Bush. And by the way, it's going to be football. Cause I don't get left turns. Okay. And he appreciated my honesty. Like I would bring my own thing. I would start with mine, but I was honest with him and he appreciated that honesty versus trying to go, of course I would, you know, and I'm like, no, let's be true to ourselves.
Because if we come across inauthentic, people don't trust us.
I agree. Absolutely agree.
I think that's one thing you and I, traits we both share to some people's that we've had to deal with demise or lack of appreciation is that we are who we are, like it or leave it.
Yep. I agree.
Entrepreneurship and Family Priorities
And I think that that is wonderful in terms of bringing it to when you started to be. your own business owner and charting that different course for yourself. And I know that this goes well, well, well back from when you and I first met that you've had this desire back since the two thousands in terms of.
Hey, I'm going to stand up my own operation. I'm going to do it my own way. And that you chose entrepreneurship in a lot of respects so that you could express yourself authentically.
Yes and no. Um, first of all, I think being an entrepreneur is probably in my DNA.
Mm hmm.
there's companies that you all know that my, my family's been associated with and ground for. And so it's been in my DNA. So I've always looked at that, it always had an option. Now, what became is my shift to solo entrepreneurship really came over when my daughter was born and I looked at how I wanted our family structure to be.
And either, We're both going to have to work so hard that we're going to have our child raised by a nanny. And I didn't really want that. or one of us was going to have to change their professional life because when you do a turnaround, whatever it is, you really, your life is not yours. Your life is the project because there's a reason why they're bringing you in.
Yes.
and. I looked at it very simply and said, I'm wrapping up a turnaround. It's the perfect time to do it. And my ex wife, she does get sense of who she based on what she does and what her job title. And not fair to ask her to give it up. We're not, I didn't give a damn.
Mm hmm.
Okay. I cared about success of a project.
I didn't care what my title was.
That's interesting. You say that because.
Balancing Career and Family
You know, there are many people who listen to this podcast who may be in the situation of Having to make a choice on a piece of work, which is lucrative for them, but demanding and Taxing on themselves or the household and you had the ability to say no and that's not always a given Mm
Well, I mean, look, I was offered when I was going through my divorce, very lucrative job, being the right hand of a private, one of the, a very large private equity investor.
hmm,
of going around and checking all the companies, kicking all the tires, being his right hand, his spy, his whatever.
Okay, and I had to turn it down. and I had no qualms and he was a good friend of mine. he was like, but this is going to set you up for life. Well, I'm like, Yeah, but then my kid's going to be without a parent and my child needs me. I brought her like, she didn't ask to be brought in this life. my ex wife and I asked to bring her into this life.
my first commitment has to be to her. Even if that's a harder road to hoe, that is the higher priority.
hmm, mm hmm.
I'm also blessed. Because of some of the success some of my family members have had. No,
And your, and yours. Don't, don't, don't sell yourself
no, no, no, no. But I mean, I'm, and I'm yes, but I'm not going to sell myself short, but if you cannot appreciate where you started, it's like G.
W. Bush, the old joke was that, you know, he thought he hit a home run when was born on second base.
right?
Okay, I think that was Richard's joke. Okay, I don't know where I was born, but it was not in the stands, okay? It was on the field somewhere, whether it be first, sec, whatever, okay? And if you can't acknowledge that, then you can't be honest with anybody else,
this is very true. Now, it's interesting because the folks who listen to this podcast run the gamut in terms of their starting point. From completely self made, came from nothing, to having a affluence and then working to continue that to the next generation. In all of those cases, I would think you would say, It's not about where you start, but it's about where you finish and how that relates to where you started.
Would that be fair?
Well, I mean, of course it does. And how you play the poker hand that you have. and that sometimes, yeah, you're going to bet more when you got all aces.
But I mean, I couldn't have bought a company if we hadn't had that necessarily. I also think it goes both ways about making the right decision.
You know, you know that I sold a house that I loved a couple of years ago. And matter of fact, I didn't even watch the Las Eagles chief Superbowl because I cleaning up the house cause we had to
it
context for my listening audience, we are recording this episode the day after the conference championship game. So we now know that is Eagles versus Chiefs in the Super Bowl. This will come out after the game, but at same time. Good to know.
and I had a choice. I mean, I had a house I loved. It was expensive. It was big. It was also very valuable. And with a daughter at NYU, which as a friend of mine said, congratulations and condolences. Congratulations. It's a great school. Condolences. It's expensive as hell. And did I need that asset? Did I need that thing to make me feel good? And with. The problems of our joint mutual engagement with a martial arts company. I was confronted with selling or possibly losing or whatever. I'm like, it's a simple decision. Time to sell. Is it what I wanted? Of course not. But it allows me the flexibility to do things that allow my daughter who wants to study abroad over the summer.
Supporting Caroline's Dreams
Yeah, talk a little bit more about that because, as we're alluding to throughout this conversation, that your focus clearly shift to what was best for your daughter, Caroline, as someone who has a passion for the performance arts, for the theater, right? And giving her the ability. to pursue those
a manner that she'll get the enjoyment and
Well, there's a couple, there's a couple of things. First of all, I'm trying to, my goal. And I have a running ongoing thing with a friend of ours, from Hero Martial Arts. about what success is. It isn't about what your paycheck is. It's about being able to do what you want to do. and still you do what you want to do, pay all your bills and achieve what you want to do.
And for me, I want to do what has been done for me. So my daughter can leave college with whatever choices that she wants to have. So she's not strangled by student debt and that she's allowed to follow her passions instead of having to take the highest paying job that might not be her passion and then ultimately stifles her career. Okay, versus other people that it's just what size paycheck you cash.
Right.
For me, I want to leave her that flexibility because others were kind enough to leave me that flexibility.
Mm hmm. Pay it forward. Yep,
why I'm doing unto others that has been done unto you.
right.
When somebody elbows me in the ribs, they also pay that price. Done unto me, I'll do it back to you at some point.
but my whole thing with Caroline started much earlier.
It started probably back even when the marriage is falling apart. When our marriage was falling apart, my ex got more and more into her job because she was saving money to leave me.
Balancing Parenthood and Personal Time
It was clear. is fine, that happens, that's normal.
But my daughter needed one of us.
And so I tried to carve out more and more time for her and became, I think it was in kindergarten, she created the term
Okay.
see, we're on a field trip and she's all, I'm the only dad. And she's looking about to say mom and then she realized it was daddy. and it stayed for a while,
hmm.
but I have always felt that we asked for her to come in this world. Okay. maybe if you believe in Buddhism, she has to come in for Mars, but I'm just going to go with a simple biologics. And with that, she's our responsibility.
And she needed structure from a parent. things that a parent can teach that no one else can.
it's interesting that you say that because there's a lot of the elements of what you say which align to what I consider to be the definition of freedom. The ability to do What you want, when you want, and with whom you want in a manner that you've got complete freedom of choice. And it's something that I definitely hear in.
Your Own Vesture for Yourself. As a parent, I'm curious on your take in terms of how you provide that freedom for Carolyn through support versus pushing Carolyn to the thoughts, behaviors, traits that she will sustain freedom for herself as an adult.
Well, it's not necessarily an easy answer or one that I have readily
Nope. Nope. But these are the types of things that we explore on this podcast.
a little kid. I mean, I was as much as it, but over time I might've been a nudge about, Hey, did you really get that big paper done? Did you really do it?
Guiding Through Life's Choices
And now even when she was looking at colleges, is which do you think is your best place, your best outcome, your best, whatever? And laying out. And I, my goal, I think is now for me to help her read a map, whether it is taking the emotion around a crisis and listening to it, letting that out. And so then she can read it and she and I can read it together smoothly versus the fire, the brimstone, the tension or whatever she has, those filters in front of her, or listening to her and saying, okay.
It seems like we have option A, B, or C. Which is more comfortable for you, and which are you more willing to actually pull off? Whether it's a fight with a roommate, whether it's a job search, you got to live with this, not me. And there's always a plus or minus with anything in life. For instance, now there were things that she didn't like about her summer job in Ithaca, but she met this great boy and they're having a great relationship.
You know, obviously that's a bit of a issue for any dad.
Trust me. My daughter, my daughter is 10. I'm not looking forward to those days, even though I know they're coming.
Well, but you know, with that said, so there's always a thing, making sure you're open to it, making sure you're making the clean decision. So you are more willing and able to see and accept the good things that come out of that.
You know, what I find fascinating in terms of that Stance and Belief is, yes, we've talked about the fact that you have come from a position of affluence, but affluence also had its drawbacks in terms of you had no roadmap for a strong father child relationship, and Yes, you can look at it and say, maybe that's a little bit overblown, but same time you've had to really develop these traits and skills in a large part by yourself.
Well, okay. Let me backtrack a little bit First of all, I've attended Penn three times. Graduate, undergraduate, in utero. Okay, my parents got married and had me while they were still at Penn. And with that said, they were very young.
Mm hmm.
I don't think, and I'm very different from them, I mean my father we went to the same high school, he got two letters in his senior year.
One was pinch hitting in the big game and the other was managing the hockey team. had more than that by the end of my freshman year. And on top of it, my father, who was dyslexic and is like me in that regard, but we have, there's two, generally two forms of dyslexia or ways to overcome it. One is Winston Churchill.
The other is the class clown. You know, me, I chose Winston Churchill
and,
yes, sir.
dammit, I'm going to make it through this. I don't think my parents they tried their best, but They didn't have the skills prepared or the people around them to understand how to deal with an angry dyslexic guy who couldn't understand why everybody else in the class can read or write and he can't and Being called stupid for those of you who are not here or not see me I am not a small gentleman and I am not one
trifled with that way
No, sir.
and As a result, I had a lot of built up anger and You I made people pay tax, so to speak, for insulting me and calling me stupid.
And my parents, I think they tried. I mean, they did try very hard with all my sports. I mean, any hockey parent. Oh my God. I mean, they took me to a hundred games a year. And those were the games I played in.
Yes,
So, they worked hard. It's just that I don't think they were prepared to deal with somebody with such a big chip on his shoulder and deal with dyslexia in a different way than my father did.
but you still had to deal with it yourself
no, no, I don't disagree, but I'm trying to
and then to be able to apply those lessons and wisdom that you've learned across the way to how That
an early stage in life. You know, I would get up at four o'clock every morning to finish my homework that everybody else would get done in 20 minutes, you know, things like that. And I learned the skill about how to borrow from other people's successes. and as a result, for instance, I mean, one of my babysitters was six foot five, 250 pounds, a goon for the Boston Bruins, but taught me how to work out hard, which allowed me to break through and be a college athlete. Or my grandfather when he was at his later stages his one regret in life was not having a better relationship with his children because he'd been off building a company his entire life. And I've watched and stole and borrowed from people like that. You know, the same thing was true with parenting.
My thing was, I didn't want her to have to follow my path. her to follow her own. For instance, my daughter went to Penn, I think twice in her entire life before she went down to visit friends or whatever, yet, I would go to every Penn, Brown football game when I lived in Providence, Rhode Island, and I had to sit every football game with my great grandmother, who was a huge supporter of when I was
your, was your thing that didn't have to be her thing.
Right, well, and I wanted her to find her own path, and it was the right path for me because I got to play lacrosse at the highest levels, get a great education, meet great people, etc, etc, etc. Okay, but it wasn't necessarily, I wanted her to discover it on her own.
not. And she discovered theater, so that wasn't going to be Penn.
The hardest thing for her and theater and arts was learning a different language.
Mm
Okay? Because in sports, there's similar language across the board.
hmm. Mm hmm.
Okay? How long did you practice? How fast did you run? How much did you lift? How many balls did you, hoops did you shoot? Whatever, right? There's a similar language.
arts, it's totally different.
Mm
that was the hardest thing for me to learn.
hmm. I can appreciate that from the standpoint that my daughter got a desire in the performing arts and that my son is the sporty, he's big into baseball and that they do have very different languages and philosophies in terms of the way that they view the world. And I think the one thing that I love taking away from this conversation is while you had your own philosophies.
towards the world and that your inner Winston Churchill would come out from time to time. You did not force that upon Caroline that you gave her the latitude to find her own way. And I'm curious, what were some of the underlying things that allowed you to do that?
Creating Traditions and Bonding
Well, ironically, it was something we started when she was five.
Mm
when my ex wife and I split, I wanted to create a father daughter tradition.
hmm. Mm
And I'm sitting there thinking about, okay, what girl wouldn't like to go to New York city and go shopping with her dad
hmm. Mm
and see a Broadway show? I said, that
will last while,
right? Now I used to think the American Girl doll store was expensive until then I went to clothes
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
but we created that, and I think she got mesmerized, which our first play was The Lion King. And the majesty, the puppetry, the stagecraft, because that's what she's into is stage. But I think that that sort of underlined, you know, or started this love of the theater. and it was also a great teaching experience. For instance, at one point somebody had dropped out of her life and we had just seen Mary Poppins.
Mm
And I said, one of the stories about it, and one of the reasons why she's called Mary Poppins, whether it's true or not, I use this line, is that You know, people pop in and out of your life as you need them, as you are appropriate.
some are there for the long haul because you need them for the long haul. Others are there just for a short time.
Reasons, Seasons, and Lifetimes. I agree.
but it allowed us to use those things as storylines to communicate and because it was hard as a, I mean, my poor daughter had to deal with me combing her hair half the time. Okay. And it wasn't easy. but creating, we haphazardly walked into that. And luckily, I mean, we're still going to go see a play for my birthday.
Cool.
And in a couple of weeks and every year we still do it. She looks forward to it. Now, obviously she stays there. So we're not spending the night up there. The fact that a tradition has lasted over 15 years is pretty impressive.
I agree.
And that was one of the ways.
Supporting Through Thick and Thin
And then the other thing is I've always, it's like, I went to first show, was Xanadu. Okay, Xanadu was a bad movie and was a bad play. You was in charge of all
How do
balls,
you really feel?
And I went to every performance because in practice one day, she didn't get the ball high enough and a kid roller skated into the ball and got knocked on their butt and she was all upset.
hmm. Mm
she goes, Dad, why are you coming to all the plays? Do you love it that much? I said, No, I'm doing it to support you. Because, What happens if somebody skates into that ball again and you're upset? You need somebody there to give you a hug.
There you go.
But that comes from something in my life where I will never forget this expression is that watching people that the parents only came if they were the stars in games and it came to me is that the important thing isn't the stars get the love no matter what it's the people that are struggling on the bench the people that don't have a good game so you want you they need the hugs more than the star they get it from everybody else
I agree. Mm
Nothing personal, but if you're designing backstage or managing disco balls, you're not the star of the show. You play a big role. it's a binary thing. Do you do it right or you do it wrong? There is no gray area. And with that, that's one thing I also try to steal from my life. and incorporate to hers is to be there to the point where she thought I loved JV girls soccer. I said no, a fan of one player on the girls JV soccer team.
agree. I am there for you. I am present for you.
Final Thoughts and Takeaways
And as we begin to close down this episode, I always do a tip of the cap to you. Randy Posh's book, The Last Lecture, which closes out the book by saying this story was from our kids. So, Caroline is listening to this podcast episode in its entirety. What do you want her to say?
to take away and act on her life as she goes towards her bright future.
simple thing. And it's an adaptation of William Shakespeare. To their own scythe be true. Find your North Star and follow that. Everything else will fall in line. It's when you get compromised because, Oh, look at all the money I'm going to make. Now That's not saying if you can't pay your bills and that's not important.
Okay. I'm not to be lecturing
Money, money is important in life. Don't get
me
wrong but there's a certain point is how much money can you spend? What's the cost of it? How much time are you going to be away? Or are you not going to be comfortable with what you're doing? Or who you're with. Are you with them because they're just wealthy as can be and they can provide a great life? I've seen a lot of friends in my life that are miserable in their marriages because they married and because they love the lifestyle more than anything else. To their own self be true. Find your North Star, whatever it is, whether it is Your children, whether it is building your company because that's really your driver and that's fine you're surrounding yourself with teammates who support that goal or not Whining because you're not home when they knew what you were when you started this.
Okay,
But surrounding yourself but if you have that North Star and you attract the right people's galaxy quest When they start getting close enough to the minds and pull the minds and use it for a positive thing. The same is true. When you follow your North Star and do it right, you're going to attract the people that want to support your life and to make your life what you want.
Amen. How can people find out more about you, learn more about you, get in contact with you, man?
Well, right now I'm in a transition, so there is no way for people to get, I mean, if people, Scott's got my email address, and text and everything, but right now I am in a transition. I am, Scott and I were both associated with at the end of this week. and so there isn't anything right now for me to promote. I came on because a good friend of mine, Mr. Raven, thought I had some insights that some people might like, and I want to support you, and that's the most important thing. For anybody out there who feels a little lost or a little uncentered, Scott Raven is a great sounding board and a great friend. And yes, if you even have a client relationship, I know he treats you like a friend. And Scott's been a great friend to me since we met, over bad bowling. Um, and
worse
um, but, you know,
here for you on this one. Because you've been there for me and it's been a great friend. I know I'm not alone for the people that you're there for.
I appreciate that, man, and I have wanted to have you on this podcast for a while to speak your authentic truth. You certainly have done so today. I will make sure if folks want to reach out to you that they can. We'll get that up in the show notes, but thank you so much, man, for being on the podcast.
I appreciate you, man.
Thank you, Scott. I'm there for you and good luck with this. And anybody, I'm serious. You watch this and you need a little coaching. Scott brings the thought process of an engineer with an emotional core and that two don't go together often. Okay. Most engineers I know are more analytical.
Okay. And not less art oriented. You are That is a compliment. You've got dual competency.
You know what? I appreciate that. And I will, uh, take that and, uh, run with that to my listening audience. Thank you so much for taking your time in terms of listening to this episode. If you did enjoy this, please feel free to. Subscribe on your favorite platform or share with those who may get some value out of this.
The whole point we do this is to cause as much positive impact as possible. So hopefully that's what you got out of this episode today. Until next time, thank you so much. And we will see you next time on The Corvette's Effect. Take care.
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