Ep160: Save Up To $1000 Per Year With Variable Speed Pumps.

Discover how pool owners can save thousands annually with the installation and proper programming of a variable speed pump! In this episode of The Deep End Pool Podcast, Frank and Jaque Disher break down the science of variable speed pumps, explain why they’re a game-changer for reducing electricity costs, and share tips on optimizing pool maintenance. If you're tired of sky-high energy bills, this episode is for you.

Get ready for expert advice, practical strategies, and a dash of humor to make pool care easier and more affordable. Don’t miss this essential guide to smarter pool ownership and maintenance!

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Timeline:

0:00 - Intro and Sponsor Shoutouts
Introduction to the podcast, sponsors, and overview of the episode's topic.

1:37 - Diving in Cold Water Story
Frank shares a funny and painful experience of diving into a cold pool.

5:50 - Upcoming Family Events and Weather Talk
Discussion about family gatherings, birthdays, and unpredictable Texas weather.

6:54 - Upcoming Conventions and Shoutout to Billy Pfeiffer
Information about the Poolwerx convention in Sedona, Arizona, and the Carecraft convention in Hawaii. Frank highlights Billy Pfeiffer's recruitment work in the pool industry.

12:59 - Topic Introduction: Saving Money on Electricity with Variable Speed Pumps
Frank introduces the primary topic of the episode: How to save on electricity costs by optimizing pool pump settings.

20:33 - Explanation of Variable Speed Pumps
Detailed breakdown of why and how variable speed pumps save energy and money.

21:32 - Product Highlight: Cyclone Filter Cleaner
Highlight and recommendation for the Cyclone Filter Cleaner with a discount code.

22:54 - Sponsor Spotlight: Blu Ray XL and Fluidra
Details about sponsors Blu Ray XL and Fluidra, and their offerings.

24:05 - Continued Discussion on Pump Optimization
Step-by-step guide to setting up a variable speed pump for maximum efficiency and savings.

32:53 - Tips for Salt Systems and Low Flow Chlorinators
Practical advice on optimizing salt chlorine generators and using low-flow chlorinators with variable speed pumps.

40:03 - Final Tips and Wrap-Up
Encouragement to switch to variable speed pumps and take advantage of energy savings.

43:13 - Closing and Sponsor Acknowledgments
Thank-you to sponsors and a farewell message to listeners.

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Welcome to the deep end pool podcast for pool owners and the swimming pool service professional. All of our sponsors are brands that we know, trust and use in our own business. We are brought to you by pool works for healthy pool people. That's pool works.com pool W, E, R x.com, if there isn't a pool works near you, become the pool works near you. Special thanks to blu ray XL, the best pool mineral purification. System in the industry, Blu ray all day. Fluidra and their many brands, including candy pool equipment and Polaris the most advanced automatic pool cleaners in the industry, Cyclone filter tools, save time, save water and save your back all save pool, fence nets and pool covers over 25 years of providing the best equipment to secure pool areas, saving the lives of children and pet clear comfort a patented hydroxyl based water treatment system, the future of water treatment and our friends in IPSA, independent Pool and Spa Service Association, improving the industry through community education and support. The Deep End pool podcast focuses on residential pool maintenance and may not cover commercial pool commercial pool requirements, please consult the CDC and your local authorities and code requirements for commercial pool maintenance. Now let's solve some pool problems with your host, Frank and Jackie Disher, winners coming round two. Y'all. You it'd be chilling, and the water is green, it's not green. It's actually frozen. How much acid, how much chlorine, how much it's winter. I hope nobody has a green pool. Well, I tell you what, a few weeks ago, even though the water's cold, we had some green poles. But if you do call us up, call us up. Hey y'all, welcome to boots on ground radio. You're listening to the deep end with Frank and Jackie his side kicking life and on the air. We're so happy you're here in this it's not a winter wonderland anymore, but it's cold. Yeah? Cold, yeah. We got some really cold come. I had a dive in a pole this week, and it's freaking sucked. Oh my gosh. It was so cold. I suck. Sucks. Not a bad word. It was so cold. The water was 43 degrees, and I videoed the thing. I was really just trying to get evidence in case I, you know, drowned, if I just say what to get my head above water. Love you, Jackie. The last time I went under, you know, I just want to get that on video for Jackie. But no, it was bad. It was bad. It was very painful. I only spent about 45 minutes underwater total, and only about 15 minutes at a time. And I did all that so I could pressurize the drain that was not where the leak was. Didn't need to die. I didn't have to die. My favorite part of that video posting was the girl, the girl from up north that posted and said, I'm from up north, 43 waters. That's not even rough at all. We're just like, Okay, well, I guess your 78 degree weather in the summer, it's not hot in Texas. We're like 110 man. And she, she's a Maryland I actually had a long, longer conversation with her, and she's from Maryland. She dives year round, and I'm sure it gets super freaking cool. She's got video of some dude having to crack ice to dive into the pool, what in the world? And can't but, I mean, but their equipment is better than mine. So, I mean, I got Texas winter equipment, and it's in the extreme, cold, extreme for us. Y'all, I'm not saying that's extreme in Minnesota. Don't jump me here. Yeah, Wisconsin, y'all, it's cold for us. It is extreme for us. Our water, we don't know. Yeah, our water doesn't get that cold. We deal with hot. Yeah, no, yeah. Come on down here to Hunter 10 and in the summer. Tell me if that's extreme for you. But anyway, so it, you know, I told her that's funny. No, she wouldn't I mean, we ended up having a good conversation. I wasn't bragging on her, but just thought it was hilarious when she commented that I responded with, yeah, I know if I'd have said that the water was hot, somebody would have responded, yeah. I know a guy that dives in lava, you know. You know, it's just one upping. I get it. You're a superstar. You have to, you have to adapt to all your audience. I know you're not. I try to be, you know, I try not to ever cross the line and just tell somebody you're a butthole. But, I mean, if I have to, I will, um, but you try, you don't succeed a whole lot, just saying it. Well, I mean, maybe, maybe the problem is just more people deserve. Oh, got it right. That's a typical narcissistic, no, he's not at all. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say what I'm doing. He's like, if I can't spell it, I ain't it. There you go. You're not at all. We had a fun week. We were, well, I say fun. I mean, we were getting the snow melted all the things, you know, some beautiful snow, beautiful, but beautiful weather this week. And, you know, customers are kind of coming out of their fright, but going back into it, but I don't know what grandbabies coming this weekend, because we've got a we have so many people in our family, y'all, that we have to do like so many birthdays that are compacted into months. Well, the majority of us are late summer, early fall, but we've got winter birthdays. We've got a December and January birthdays. So we're having a big December and January birthday party, and they committed to it this Sunday, on the 19th, and I think they're regretting it, because it's supposed to be down to, like 21 or something that night, that night the front moves in, it actually gets up to an okay temperature, but it's okay because I'm having a chili bar. We're having a beef chili and chicken chili. We're having all the things and y'all, it's Texas weather. So every time I look at the weather app, it changes, not even kidding, it goes up five, six degrees, sometimes on lows and highs and snow, yes, and snow, no, yes, yeah. We don't know what this we don't know where is it going to be, wow, that never really happened. Or were going to be like, holy cow, it was worse than what they said. But it's never. All I know is I left this morning to go see my sweet mama, and I had on a sweatshirt and a coat and all the things, and by the time I came home, I had my sweatshirt tied around my waist, no coat on. I wish. I was wishing I was in flip flops. Anyway, I was wishing you didn't wear the swishy pants. You wear the swishy pants. Yeah, that was swishy pants. But we got what else we got going on? We got anything crazy, works convention coming up. We got two conventions in February coming up. We got the pool works convention in Sedona, Arizona. I'm excited about that. It's supposed to be absolutely gorgeous. You know, there's a lot of people I want to see. Yeah, well, you know, I couldn't go last year, and so there's a lot of people I can't wait to see. Oh, you mean when we won franchise of the year and you weren't there again? Is that what you do both times we've won that, that fabulous award. I have not been there, you know, but it is what it is. And then we come home, and we're here for a week. We keep our AV Kate, because her parents are going to go and leave her and desert her and leave her with us. And then we go to the care craft convention, yep, which is going to be fabulous. Hey, care craft, and that one's in Hawaii, that one's in Hawaii. I really don't want to go, but it's in Hawaii, so I'm gonna, it's like the ghetto sacrifice my life because I love my husband so much. I'm gonna get on that plane, y'all, so y'all pray for me, because I don't know, but we'll see. Hey, but speaking of poll works, I want to give a shout out to Billy Pfeiffer. She's She does the recruiting for like people in the industry. We love Billy, and you know people that you know are considering coming in to pull works, but if you're in the industry and you got struggles, and you know you need the support of a large corporation, but still want to operate as an independent. You know, y'all need to look up Billy Pfeiffer. You can go to porks.com and I'm sure there'll be a link if you're interested. But you end up talking to Billy Pfeifer. She's the in industry recruiter, and you will love her. No, I love Billy. Billy's one of my favorite people ever, but, and she'll shoot you straight. She'll tell you, you know how the cow is the cabbage and y'all, it ain't, it ain't a magic pill, but Dad gum, it. It helps having the sport. And what I always tell everybody, the best thing about being part of the franchise group is the group. Yeah. I mean, you really make a lot of good type friends. Everybody's got each other's backs because you've just taken them out of the realm of competitor, yeah, and into the realm of supporter. Let's help each other. Yeah? Yes. Because, you know, everybody wants everybody do well, so we we take care of each other. But if you're in the industry, and the thoughts ever even crossed your mind, it's worth the conversation again. Talk to Billy Pfeiffer. You can find her bill works calm. I doubt she will speak. Give her phone number over there, but I love Billy. She sends a lot of people to me if somebody's considering and, you know, and I shoot them straight. I tell them how it is. And typically, you know, a lot of people convert. We brought a lot of people in the poll works this year, you know. And I'm hoping 2025, be just as good. Absolutely, we're filling up the map. Yeah, we're going all over. So if you're in an area, you know, like I say, if there's not a pork near you, become the pork, right? And come to. And our team, yeah, but convention, yes, coming up really looking forward that we got to get on stage and talk. Oh, it's so horrible, y'all, because everybody knows how. So we have 10 y'all, we have 10 minutes at the gala awards night on stage, or a gala, you know, tomato, tomato, you can because I figured if I said, if I can't say calculate, then I probably shouldn't say Gala. You shouldn't say anything. I don't even know. So we have 10 minutes. So Frank has said that I get three minutes to say what I'm gonna say, because I have a lot to say, because I wasn't there last year. So I have a lot of thank yous, and I have a lot of all that. And so I emailed our CEO and our charmy, who is the convention coordinator. She's She wears so many hats. I don't even know what her title is, doll. She's a doll. But when I emailed them, when they said, Hey, you have 10 minutes, and I said, Well, Frank is give me three. He gets seven. I'm not responsible for those seven. And immediately, Andrew, our CEO, I love you so much for this. Said, I say Jackie, seven. Frank three, because they're afraid what Frank's gonna say? I don't I don't, I don't mind throwing darts into the crew, and I'm just like, so embarrassed, but I'm gonna look, I have no shame. I'm gonna stand up there and look cute so that I can just, you know, but also the gallon i the awards. So every franchise gets to nominate their people in different categories. So I want to give a shout out, because we nominate people in every category. We nominated a lot this year, and sometimes your people, you can nominate them, but they don't get nominated by ports, because they can, they don't. They can't have 15 nominees, right? They can only have, you know, four. I think they do four in each category, three, three or four, three or four in each category. But I want to give a shout out, we have three nominees. Yes, we have Anthony Tovar, who is nominated for service technician of the year. Yeah, we have Tony Tovar, his lovely wife, who has won this award twice. Yes, which is retailer of the year. She is retailer of the year. She's won it twice, because she just rocks the world. She is a rock star. And then our fabulous Debbie amons, who has been with us for how many years? Frank, 2020, it's, it's sniffing 20, yeah, and, and she is just the rock of Jabal balter, and that is, what is it? Team member of the year. Yeah. Is that title? The titles change sometimes each year, so I forget, but, and we nominated other people, but they didn't get in the top three or four, but that's okay. We have no idea what our business if they've been nominated. Yeah, they haven't done business stuff at all, but all of our staff deserves to be nominated every year, all day. Yeah, what you gonna talk about today? Today? I want you know we started off kind of a little series on ways to save money. Last week we talked about saving money on your chemistry, you know, chemicals and stuff like that. And hopefully some people will look into those things because they work. Y'all Yeah, all right, this week I want to talk about saving money and electricity with your pump. Now this product is, this probably gonna be the only thing we discuss? Hopefully, I you know, it's probably gonna be one of our shorter episodes, but I want to talk about variable speed pumps and the reason why they save you so much money. May I ask you why you were why you felt compelled to use this topic? Yeah, here lately, we've had a lot of people own own in our like our DFW pull owner group and some of the other groups. People asking a lot of questions about, hey, how should I set up my pump? You know, lot of it's about, you know, winter run times. How should I run my pump? What speed? How do you figure out what speed? Blah, blah, blah, and but a lot of it about. Half of them were just for winter, and half of them were just, you know, hey, I got this pool. Well, this guy's telling me I should run it this way. The other guy's saying, run it this way. What should I do? And so I want to give my two cents on sale today, three for a nickel, so you always have more than two cents. Yeah, that's why that seven minutes ain't gonna work. All right. So to start, you know, I just want to sum it up real, you know, just do a blanket. This is how it works. All right, a variable speed pump by itself, like if you had a two horsepower variable speed pump in a two horsepower single speed pump, and you ran the variable speed pump at full speed, it would save you a little tiny little bit. But both of them running full speed, they're pretty comparable. And what I see a lot out there is when somebody gets a variable speed pump, we come out later. To do something else, or they want to pull school because they're going to take over their own service, or something like that. And they got this pump, they got a variable speed pump, and they're running it basically full speed for eight hours a day. And, well, I mean, it's not bad, yeah, but you're getting zero benefit out of that variable speed pump. You might as well just left a single speed pump in there, and not spent the$3,000 it takes to put a good variable speed pump in. So our main goal when we're running a pool filter is one is circulation, make sure we get water everywhere, but that's more in directions of jets and stuff like that. But the biggest thing we're trying to accomplish is turnover. Turnover is how many times the volume of water in that pool goes through the filter. So if there's 20,000 gallons in that pool, we want to, at least here in Texas, we we need, and when the water is warm, we need to turn that pool over a minimum of two times. Other parts of the country may be able to get away with a little less. Some may take a little more. But what I've found in our area, over 27 years, almost 28 years now, of being in this industry, two times is minimum. Two times for 24 hours. Yes, okay, two times in 24 hours. Yeah. Thank you for clarifying that, because I did not say in 24 hours, that's what I'm here for. So so a 20,000 gallon pole, I want to run 40,000 gallons through that filter on a daily basis. I'd prefer to run 60,000 gallons of water through that filter on a daily basis, because the more we filter, the better off we are because filtration removes debris from the water. A lot of that debris is organic debris that algae can eat. Algae is our biggest enemy. You know, we've talked about, yes, yeah, yeah, I know. We've never talked about algae or filtration or circulation. We've never talked about it. You know, what I do never talk about is germs and all the other crap. But typically, the pathogens, for the most part, are easier to kill than algae. So if we're killing algae, we're killing the pathogens for the most part. There are some things out there that it takes, you know, yeah, this much chlorine and a mallet, you know, because it's hard to kill, but for the most part, if we're killing algae, we're killing germs. So we just talk about algae, and algae is what we see. We don't see the little germs floating around and, you know, wanting to crawl through your skin and up your nose and all that. But we see algae, and if you see algae, we fear germs because, or we should anyway, because, if you're getting a lot of algae, are we, do we have enough chlorine in the water to kill the germs? Because we don't have enough kill the algae, sure, so we're not checking that box. You know, where? Where'd it stop? And if you do have a lot of algae, algae is growing like that. It's eating your chlorine up like crazy, so there's a good chance that germs are also multiplying like crazy. Sure. All right, now circulation also has a lot to do with this, but we're talking about filtration, so we want to get the volume of water through that pump two to three times. Now it takes around seven times for the volume of water to go through the filter to filter a high 98 99% of the water, because when 20,000 gallons goes through that filter and out into the pool, it's mixing with other water. It ain't just like the water that hasn't been through the filters lining up to go in next your some of the water is going in multiple times, or some of the water is not right, and that's in a very good circulated pool where you're exchanging water very well everywhere. So we want to turn over the pool a minimum of two to three times in our area, in a residential pool. So that's how much water we want to move in a day. All right? So you can go on the internet and you can google Jandy pull pump savings. Jandy, J A, n, d, y, pull pump savings. You'll find this calculator that they have that you can punch in your size of pull and what you pay per kilowatt hour. And then it will show you how many gallons per minute pumps will move, what the electricity cost is going to be at your particular values. So say you got a 20,000 gallon pool, okay, all right, that's what we're working on. And let's say you pay 20 cents a kilowatt for electricity, and that with all the taxes and everything that go on it, that's probably pretty close for most people. And I have a two horsepower single speed pump, and I run it for eight hours. Okay, I'm gonna get 2.25 turnovers. This is the average two horsepower pump, 2.25 turnovers in a day, and that electricity usage, at 20 cents a kilowatt, is going to cost me$3.71 It's per day, all right, so you do the math on that, we're looking well over $100 just a month. Yeah, just to filter the pool enough so we can properly filter the water. If I take a variable speed pump and run it at half speed and so I'm moving half the volume of water through that pump, so I need to run it twice as long. That 371 that it took for the full speed, single speed is now $1.01 per day. I'll take that please. Yes, you're filtering just as much water, and you're doing it for about 25 30% of the cost. Oh, my God, electricity, when you take a variable speed, at full speed, it's not too far off a normal single speed. But at half speed, you're moving half the water, but the electricity usage is like eight to 10 times less to move it at half speed. It's exponential. The higher you run the speed, like if you double the speed and double the water volume, the electricity usage is eight to 10 times. So it's exponential. The faster you run it, the more it costs you. So keep that in mind. We're going to go to break and when we come back, we'll take that a little further and break it down for you even more. Yeah, and the water is green. Hey, Jackie, Hey, Frank. Have you ever wondered how you can clean between all those pesky filter pleats on a cartridge filter. Yeah, I lose sleep over it. 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Their extensive portfolio of brands include some of the most trusted product lines in the industry, like Polaris Jandy, Zodiac cover pools, grand effects, nature two CMP, Dell Taylor and I Aqua link so from the pool pad to the pool deck and everything in between. Luidra has all your pool needs covered. Hey, friends, welcome back to the deep end with Frank and Jackie. We are talking about saving you some money with the variable speed pump. It's a huge investment. I don't want to say huge. It's pushing $3,000 for the big three. So you can't buy that Louis Vuitton purse? No, it's gonna be fine. But you know what, in a couple years, you'll save in electricity, cash for that person. This is one of those things that is a great investment. You know, some people say that all the time. Oh, but you're gonna save money alone. This is one of those things that actually works. Yes, you know, it does. You know, I hate the government doing mandates and all that, mandating we have to use variable speed pumps. I don't like the government in my business, but sometimes, man, they get it right. You know, they've mandated everything go to variable speed, if it's, you know, over one horsepower, and that government, y'all, it's, I'm sorry, but why did they do that? Because it uses electric. It uses a lot of electricity, uses less electricity, which means it saves you money. Yeah, it's safe. Not only does it saves you money, but takes, you know, the growth in the US and all that they claim we're running out of the ability to provide enough power for everybody so you can cut your electricity usage. And this is just a one speed change. This is just running at half speed, moving the same amount of water, you can cut your electricity usage by $1,000 a year. Wow, just on your filter pump, and that's just running at half speed for twice the time. That's crazy. I mean, that's huge with with this math that they're showing here, 16 hours running the variable speed pump at half speed is $369.15 this is at 20 cents a kilowatt. And to run the two horsepower single speed pump for eight hours, it's $1,355.22 Wow. That's, it's not quite 1000 but that gun, it sits right there on 1000 and that's a huge savings job. And, all right, but All right, that's good enough, right there. Okay, y'all $1,000$1,000 a year. You know what? I give you, a lot of tips on how to save money on chemicals and stuff like that. But even at best, I don't think I can save you $1,000 a year just on chemicals. I can save you a lot, but $1,000 savings each year, and then you take the tips we're giving you for saving money on chlorine and managing your pool, you start adding all this up, you can easily save yourself 1500 $2,000 a year just by following these tips. All right. So you may say, Yeah, but you know, I need my skimmers to work a little harder. Okay, this is how I set up variable speed pumps, and it works fantastic for me. I will run a higher speed. The top speed is typically not warranted, and it's typically too high for the plumbing that's installed. If it's an older pool, what I find is a two horsepower full blown single speed pump is too large for the plumbing it's attached to, and I'm not talking the return side plumbing. I'm talking about the suction side plumbing. It needs to be easier for a pump to suck than it is to push. It's called cavitation. You'll get this gravelly noise and all that. You know, I go out to pumps all the time. They got a single speed pump out there, and it's freaking loud. And the reason it's loud it's not because it's a big old pump. It's because it's too big of a pump for the plumbing most of the time. So it's too it's trying to pull too hard on that suction. It cannot pull enough water to satisfy itself, and that even makes the electricity usage go higher. Wow. When a pump struggles like that. You put an amp probe on it, you'll see the amps go up, 234, amps, because it's working harder trying to pull that water. So what you can do with variable speed pump is you can lower the speed, the top speed, and you can find that perfect speed. When that pump goes nice and quiet, it goes from that gravelly sound that you hear mixed into the wine or the motor when you go smooth, okay, that's where my top speed needs to be. I don't ever need to go over that. When I go over that, the pumps working too hard. Oh, God. So what I like to do? So my skimmers work their very best. And I do this now, it doesn't work on every pull because of features and stuff like that that people are running. But what I like to do is I go out and I set the pump, I find that high speed, that's that, you know, is the max I want to go, and then I'll knock it down maybe another 100 rpms. And just in case, like skimmers get clogged and stuff like that, because that, you know, that reduces flow to the pump. So I'll knock it down another 100 or so RPMs from that smooth, just nice hum, quiet sound, a little bit of swishy noise going on in the plumbing, like when I walk in my sweat pants, they're not sweating. There's wind swishy. So I'll knock it down where I got just that nice smooth sound, and I will run that speed an hour hour and a half in the morning, and then an hour hour and a half in the afternoon. All right, so my skimmers, any stuff that fell in the pool overnight is floating around on the surface, well, I'll run my skimmers where they work really well for an hour, hour and a half, then the skimmers will do a pretty decent job taking it off the surface into the skimmer. And then, if you have a pressure site cleaner that you have a. Booster pump. I will run the cleaner at that time. Or if you have a suction side and you have valve actuation, I will run the cleaner at during that time that we're running the higher speed, all right, okay, and then after that hour and a half in the morning, I will drop to somewhere close to that pump half speed. So I'm getting the savings during the day. Spend little bit of extra money in the morning at that higher speed, but still saving because I'm not at top speed, right? I may be landing around 2500 RPMs or something like that, to get that nice, smooth sound I wanted. That's still a huge savings over that top speed, sure, so that I'll drop to like a half speed, around 1700 RPMs, and run it for eight, nine hours during the middle of the day, saving all this money, but still moving water. When the sun's on the pool, I'm still moving my water around, getting it up in the little nooks and crannies. And the skimmers are still working a little bit. The main drains are working a little bit, exchanging chemistry throughout the pool. Keep taking all the little filthy things out of the water and putting them in the filter. I'm doing that all day long. And then in the afternoon, I hit that high speed again, that perfect little speed that I've found for this particular set of equipment. I'll hit that high speed again for an hour, hour and a half. If I want to run another cycle on the pool cleaner, I'll do it during that time. And by the way, you both see y'all running your your cleaner pumps too long anyway, oops. You stop doing that. You're all you're doing is wearing it out and wasting electricity. Don't be doing it. Yeah, oh, I'm gonna clean this spot 18 times. Yeah, yeah. It looks about the same it did after you cleaned it the first time. All right, so I do that high speed in the afternoon, late afternoon, say, five, six o'clock, and then I drop to a really low speed, like around 13, 1400 rpms. And remember what I was telling you? It cost $1 an hour to run this two horsepower pump. Dollar one cent an hour to run this 101101, this two horsepower pump at half speed. Well, if I drop it down, say 1300 RPMs, I'm gonna drop the gallons per minute that it runs from 46 gallons per minute at 1700 50 RPMs at that half speed and say, I drop it down to 1300 gallons. Now I'm moving 34 I only lost 12 gallons a minute. Oh, yeah, through that, through that filter. But my electricity usage is 50 cents. It's half of what that other was. Thanks. So if I run that that low speed for the remaining 16 hours of the day, that cost me 50 cents a day. I can do 50 cents a day. So I'm running that overnight. It's like burning a light bulb, y'all. It's extremely efficient at that lower speed, and you're filtering all night long. You're moving chemicals all night long. You're constantly doing in your pool what needs to be done all day long. Instead of you run it for eight hours and then Katie bar the door, what happens for the next 16 Sure, and then you got to play catch up for the next eight. But now you're going to be adding a little chemicals 24 hours a day. You're going to be filtering 24 hours a day, you're you can end up turning this pullover more and still save about $1,000 a year on electricity. So again, what I like to do is a little bit of spike in the morning, find that perfect high speed, and then a medium speed all day long, while the sun's on the pool, moving chemicals, doing all that. Then a little bit of Spike, you know, one hour, hour and a half of that little bit of extra energy usage. But then I dropped to this really low speed all night long that it's like leaving the back porch light on right and running all night long. You're filtering, you're still moving a lot of water through that pool just that 16 hours. You're turning that pull over 1.6 times per day. Wow. So you get that little spike, a middle, big spike, and then all night long, you're turning that pull over one and a half times, and you're going to do great things for your pool. If you have a salt chlorine generating system, you know, it requires a certain amount of flow to be able to generate chlorine. You're going to play with that low speed and find out, okay, what's enough flow to make sure I satisfy my salt system? Go ahead and bump it up another 100 rpms. You know, if your salt system says no flow, okay, you went too low. So you need to bump it up a little bit. And then when you find that lowest speed with a clean filter and everything, what will satisfy the flow in that. Oil system, maybe take it up another hydrate in case skimmers get full or get some trash in the pump basket or whatever. So you want to give yourself a little bit of cushion, and then you can that's your speed. And now you're generating chlorine 24 hours a day, but you're going to be able to turn your cell percentage down a whole lot, because where you were just generating chlorine for eight hours a day, and maybe in the middle of the summer, you're running at 80% now you're making chlorine 24 hours a day, you may be able to run it at 30% so and just so, everybody understands the way these salt systems work. When it says percentage, that's a percentage of time. It's not how hard it's working. When a salt system is generating, it's now, there may be others out there now, but traditionally, 99.9% of them, this is the way they work. When a salt system is generating, it's generating all the chlorine it can generate. And the percentage is a percentage of time. Some of them have two hour cycles. Some of them have three hour cycles. So if you're at 100% that two hour cycle, it's running the entire time. Say it's a say it's one that has a two hour cycle. So at 100% it's generating the entire two hours. So if you have it at 100% for eight hours, it's generating for eight hours. But if you set it at 50% it's going to generate for an hour. It's going to turn itself off for an hour. It's going to generate for an hour. It's half the time so and you're generating all you can to make up for you didn't generate anything overnight because it wasn't, you know, your pump wasn't running. You weren't generating anything. Now you can back way off on that salt system, maybe run it at 30% so it runs at 30% of two hours, and then it's all for 70% of two hours. So it's just make a little chlorine, not make a little chlorine, make a little chlorine. And just constantly doing it all day long. Your chemistry is going to stay more consistent. Algae is going to have less of a chance to get going because you're not leaving dead spots for 16 hours or during the rest of the day when you're not running the pump. So you're constantly moving the water, constantly filtering the water, constantly spitting out a little chlorine to beat up all the little algaes and take take them to the wood shed, and now you're much more consistent. You're moving water slower through your filter. Guess what? Filters? Filter better the slower the water moves. So you're doing a better job of filtration. You're not forcing stuff through the cartridge or past the cartridge, driving it deep into the cartridge. You're running these low speeds, so you're filtering better. You're generating chlorine better. If you have a salt system, you're constantly circulating. You just gave yourself a leg up in three or four different ways. Yikes. Yeah, and you saved money in the process. There's no losing thing here. Y'all. There's nothing bad about this entire process. It's all good stuff. Now, I will say this, if you have a tab feeder where you put tabs in a chlorinator that sits on your plumbing, and it's an erosion feeder where the water runs through it, and it dissolves these tabs and push and that's how you get the chlorine out in the water. You may have to get a different one of those, because some of those, they can't handle these lower flows. You can't get enough water up in them to actually pass the water through them to dissolve those chlorine tabs unless you're at the high speed or the medium speed. So what you want to do on one of those you want, you'll probably want to go ahead and invest in one of these new Chlorinators. I know, CMP, which is now owned by fluid or who we love, oh, we love, yeah, custom motive Pool products. CMP has a low flow tab feeder, so it can adjust for these low speeds, and you can still get chlorine in the water even though you're running low speeds. And just like your salt system, you're you're putting in a little chlorine with this, with this proper chlorinator, you're putting a little bit of chlorine in the pool 24 hours a day, and you're going to back off. You're not going to try to feed it just as hard. You're going to back off on how hard you feed it, and you're just going to do less doses, much more frequent, and you're going to end up on the positive end of this. You're going to be so much better off by doing this. Y'all so if you have an older pump and you need to put one dime into that pump, put that money into an investment that's going to pay you back and make your pool easier to manage at the same time. So don't, don't fix these old pumps. Y'all, stop putting motor. Stop buying. Passers bite the freaking bullet, put this variable speed on there, and we do repairs. So we could say, y'all keep fixing it. We'll keep making money. But it's it does not behoove you to do that. It's not benefiting. We make a lot of money on old pumps. Sure. You know, people just fix them, fix them, fix them, fix them. We try to tell them, in four or five years, they've thrown away four or$5,000 in electricity they may have put in four or five years, they may have put, who knows, anywhere from 300 to $1,500 in motors and capacitors and baskets and everything else. And they could have got that variable speed pump and been saving this whole time, and now their kid doesn't have to go to state school. Now they don't have to live on beans, and they, you know what, they can go out to Chili's. Maybe your kid ain't gonna live in your basement for the next you can get them a place if they need a job, y'all pull companies are gonna start hiring here. That's right, pretty quick, it's about to be busy season, friends. So the variable speed pump is a win, win, win, win. If you can do it, I understand, you know, some people, I mean, you're lucky to pay the bills every month, sure. But guess what? If you could figure out a way to get this pump in, the electric bills are gonna be lower. You're gonna save $1,000 in 2025 on electricity. So just it will pay for itself. It's truly one of those things that really does that. And if you, if you buy a good, you know, manufacturer, variable speed pump, and you buy it from a good provider, there's a good chance you're going to get three year warranty. You know, we get three year warranties on our pumps, and so if anything does break on that pump in the next three years, it's a phone call. Y'all, they don't charge us per we don't have to put quarters in the phone machine anymore. That phone call is free. Hey, that pump, y'all installed 18 months ago. Yeah, it ain't working. Now, something happened, you know, we'll figure it out, but we'll get out there. It's under warranty, so if you got a lemon, okay, then, all right, we'll replace it, or we'll fix it, do whatever, you know, manufacture fluid or takes really good care of us. You know, that's, oh yeah, they're fabulous, one of the main reasons I love them so much. But all right, so y'all got no reason. You got no reason you ain't got no reason to not get you a variable screen. Bite the bullet. Start saving now. It's going to pay off in the long run, because I can. I think I can, promise you, I think I can. I feel comfortable making this statement, electricity is not going to go down. Friend, it don't matter who's the president. I don't think electricity is going to go down. Yeah, so, and it's just going to go up. And this pumps just going to cost you more and more and more. And, you know, and let's, let's, you know, do what we can to use less electricity, and, you know, make them try to find ways to use it all, because we save so much money on all our pumps, right? It's not a bad idea. 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