Episode 161: Part 3: Saving Money on Pool Operation and Maintenance | heating, lighting, cleaners

In this episode of The Deep End Pool Podcast, Frank dives into practical tips for saving money while operating and maintaining your swimming pool. Learn how to cut costs on pool heating, reduce water loss, optimize lighting, and explore secondary sanitizers. Frank also discusses the benefits of upgrading to energy-efficient equipment like robotic cleaners, LED lights, and variable speed pumps. Whether you're a pool owner or a service pro, these insights will help you maximize efficiency and minimize expenses.

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Timeline for Chapters:

0:00 - Introduction
1:16 - Welcome and overview of the Atlantic City Show
4:12 - Series continuation: saving money on pool operation
6:40 - Reducing energy costs: booster pumps vs. robotic cleaners
10:20 - Pool heating: heat pump benefits and limitations
14:26 - Optimizing heat times with pool automation systems
18:10 - Maintaining pool heat: reducing surface disturbance and wind exposure
21:45 - Solar covers, rings, and liquid solar blankets for heat retention
25:20 - Water loss and leak prevention tips
28:30 - Saving energy with LED lights and avoiding poolside "food chains"
30:15 - Closing remarks and sponsor acknowledgments

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Welcome to the deep end pool podcast for pool owners and the swimming pool service professional. All of our sponsors are brands that we know, trust and use in our own business. We are brought to you by pool works for healthy pool people. That's pool works.com pool W, E, R x.com, if there isn't a pool works near you, become the pool works near you. Special thanks to blu ray XL, the best pool mineral purification. System in the industry, Blu ray all day. Fluidra and their many brands, including candy pool equipment and Polaris the most advanced automatic pool cleaners in the industry, Cyclone filter tools, save time, save water and save your back all save pool, fence nets and pool covers over 25 years of providing the best equipment to secure pool areas, saving the lives of children and pet clear comfort a patented hydroxyl based water treatment system, the future of water treatment and our friends in IPSA, independent Pool and Spa Service Association, improving the industry through community education and support. The Deep End pool podcast focuses on residential pool maintenance and may not cover commercial pool commercial pool requirements, please consult the CDC and your local authorities and code requirements for commercial pool maintenance. Now let's solve some pool problems with your host, Frank and Jackie Disher, Hey everybody, it's me by myself this week, actually doing two shows, and the water is green. Jackie is not available. How much chlorine you tested the water? I'm about to hit the road. I'm about to hit the road for The Atlantic City show. Big old show up in New Jersey, really looking forward to this show. It's a great show. I was there last year, probably the best show I've been to. There's still a couple I haven't made, but really want to get up to the Atlantic City show this year. A lot of guys I'm wanting to do some interviews with, and hopefully we'll get those on the air over the next few weeks, and I'll get a few videos done with different reps, different products and stuff like that that you can catch on our YouTube channel. But first of all, I just do I want to welcome you to boots on ground radio, and this is the deep end, and I am Frank Disher Jackie, my wife, who's normally always with me, and was not able to be with me tonight, and what stinks is, I'm recording two shows tonight because I'm going to be on the road next week. So this is going to be two back to back without Jackie. I hope y'all can tolerate it. She's probably just gonna be a lot of facts flying at you. You know, not a whole lot of side talks. I may bore you to death, but hopefully you'll fight through it and be a real trooper. We're going to continue our series on saving money operating a swimming pool. This week. We're focused on saving money, on heating, on water loss, on lighting and secondary sanitizers, just kind of a hodgepodge of products and methods that can benefit you and help you save money. And a lot of this stuff, including stuff that we've talked about the last couple weeks, we did chemistry, and then we did just variable speed pumps last week. And a lot of this stuff, if you'll take these tips and hence, they're not only going to save you money with either energy or water or whatever, they're going to save you money by improving the process in which you manage your swimming pool. Because if you do a lot of these things, it's going to help you prevent having algae blooms. It's going to help you prevent from having to use stain removal processes, a lot of extra balancers and stuff like that, repairing equipment. So this stuff has immediate savings, but it has ongoing saving, and hopefully you'll realize how much easier it makes managing your swimming pool. So first thing we're going to talk about tonight, and is a way to save money on a swimming pool. And I see a lot of this, if you have a pressure site cleaner that has a booster pump. And we may have touched on this on the variable speed pump show if you have a booster pump that runs your pressure side cleaner. Most people are running that pump too long. I see so many pulls where that pump is running for six hours, five hours a day, and it's not necessary. It only needs to run long enough to cover the pool, or the vast majority of the pool, on a daily basis. And if you have an automation system, you don't necessarily have to run it every day. People are running these booster pumps, and like, if you switch from a booster pump pressure side cleaner to a robotic cleaner, typically, you'll save between 203 $100 a year just in electricity from not running that booster pump. And not only do you save money by not running the booster pump, but robotic cleaners typically have a lot less wear items that wear out, like your typical pressure side cleaner is. Production site cleaner. You know, you're always putting parts in them, the average Polaris or electro legend, or any other pressure cycling or on average, you're probably spending, I'm guessing, 125 to $200 a year on replacement bags, bearings, tires, hose, floats, this, all this stuff. And it's pretty much every year you can count on having to put money into these cleaners. Well, if you go to a robotic All right now you're saving all that money. You're not replacing all these parts. If you are going to keep the pressure side cleaner, if you'll run it less, you'll replace less parts. It's that simple. Not only are you going to save money on electricity, but you're going to save money on not wearing parts out so fast. So that's something you really need to consider if you do have a booster pump that runs a pressure site cleaner. And my recommendation to people when if they need a booster pump, you know, these booster pumps go out, the motors go out. We typically want to replace the motor on a booster pump. Typically better off just replacing the whole pump, because it's not that much difference in cost and you get a much better warranty with a brand new pump. So we typically tell people, don't even bother repairing a booster pump, just replace it. Well, that's, you know, that's up 800 900 or$1,000 to reap with tax and everything to replace that booster pump. Man, you're getting really close to the price of a robotic so my recommendation is, if you got to put a lot of money into that booster pump, just get your robotic cleaner. Same thing with the cleaners. If you got put two or $300 into a pressure side cleaner, my recommendation is, you put that money into something that's worth another 200 $300 investment, like a robotic cleaner, it's going to pay back in energy savings, and it's going to do a better job for you. I just want to touch on that stuff real quick. Something else I want to discuss is heating your pool. Ways that you can save money while heating your pool. First thing we're going to talk about is heat pumps. Heat pumps are extremely energy efficient, and they do a great job extending the swim season for a swimming pool you can typically like, if you normally don't swim until early May, you might be able to start swimming mid March, late March, and if you typically have to stop swimming late September, early October, you may be able to swim all the way through November, so you can extend your season, and you can do it extremely efficiently by using a heat pump. The problem with heat pumps is, first, they're not a quick heat a heat pump works by taking heat out of the atmosphere and then putting it into the water. That's how a heat pump works. It transfers the heat from the atmosphere into the water, and it's extremely efficient at doing that. But if the water is really cold and the outside air temperature is really cold, it does you no good. It cannot pull heat from cold air. I mean, it can pull a little bit, and there are units now that can operate all the way down to zero degrees Fahrenheit, which is really low. There are units that can do that now, but they're extremely inefficient at the colder air. So they're not going you're not going to be able to heat any water at low temperatures like that. You may be able to help maintain some of that heat, maintain some of those temperature levels while you're losing heat to the colder atmosphere. But you're not going to just heat up a pool. If it's 30 degrees outside and you have a heat pump, you're not going to get anywhere. It's just not going to happen. So a heat pump is not good for that. Even in North Texas, a heat pump does you know, good in December, January, sometimes part of the way through February, but when you we do start getting warmer days, a heat pump does a fantastic job of transferring heat from the air to the water, and it does it extremely efficiently. And as far as hot tubs, a heat pump can heat a hot tub, but again, it better be warm outside, and it's going to take a while. It's not a quick heat so typically, when somebody wants to use a hot tub, it's kind of a spur of the moment decision, and a heat pump is just not going to serve them well by heating the hot tub up quickly. When you're in the mood for the hot tub, it may be able to get it there and keep it there extremely efficiently over time, but it's not going to be a good hey, you want to go get in the hot tub. Let me turn the heat pump on. That ain't going to happen. So it has to be a plan or a maintain heat for a heat pump to do a decent job on a hot tub while we're on the subject of heat pool side, tech, the attendant and the many they can optimize heat times for gas heaters, a lot of people, they'll be like, Hey, you want to get in the hot tub later. And they'll just go out and they'll turn the heater on. So the heater is running for several hours before they want to use it. You'll typically get one degree every minute, minute and a half heating a average size hot tub with with not too extreme. And by. Environmental conditions you can like, I said, about one degree every minute and a half. So if you were at 50 degrees, you want to take it up to 100 you're probably looking 50 minutes to higher 15 to get it all the way up to where you want to use it. Well, the pool, aside, tech, the attendant, or the many which I love, their systems are extremely intelligent. They can do a lot of math for you. They can do a lot of thinking for you, a lot of calculating for you. What they can do is you can tell on the poolside tech control systems. You can tell it Saturday at 8pm we're going to be getting home from the movies or from a ball game or whatever, and we want to go straight to the hot tub. So at Saturday, eight o'clock, I want my hot tub to be heated to 102 degrees, and what the pool side tech control systems can do. They understand your pump, your heater, your pool size, the current water temperature. They even look at the weather channel and it calculates, okay, this is what's going to be going on on Saturday. So for me to get that hot tub at 102 degrees at eight o'clock, it does all its calculations, and it says, Okay, I need to turn spa mode on, turn the heater on at 714 and then the hot tub will be 102 degrees at 8pm and y'all, to me, that's incredible. I mean, it's actually looking forward to the weather that's predicted. It's it understands your heater and how fast your heater is going to work on your system. And say your heater isn't working 100% efficient, or say you gave it the wrong number of gallons that the size of the hot tub is, and it will learn by failure. Okay, if after you've used that heater a few times, it learns how fast it heats your hot tub. It does the math on that. It reverse calculates how fast it could heat your pool in certain conditions. Because it knows the weather. It knows everything that's going on. It knows humidity, it knows the air temperature. It knows if it's windy. It can take all that into consideration and see how that affects your pool. And actually, instead of just a plus b is going to equal c, your a is a little different. So we're going to say a point two plus B, point three is going to equal c. That calculates all that, and then it knows okay if I need to get this hot tub to 102 degrees at eight o'clock on Saturday, instead of turning the spa in heater on at 720 which it would do with all the initial numbers that has been given. It knows yours takes a little longer because you must have miscalculated the size of the hot tub, or possibly this your system runs a little bit different, or there's different environmental impacts on your pool, so it knows, okay, I need to adjust for these anomalies that we've been having. And instead of turn on at 720 I need to turn it on at 715 now we'll be at 102 at eight o'clock. So to me, guys, that is incredible. So hey, we're going to go to a break, and when we come back, we're going to we're gonna go talk a little bit about heating and maintaining heat in the pool, and we'll see on a minute. Here's our sponsors, and the water is green. Blu ray XL is the power of minerals working for you reduce your overall chemical costs and labor up to 50% guaranteed, whether you have 20 accounts or 20,000 blu ray XL direct pricing and free shipping to the pool trade. Have you covered improving pool professionals profit and work life balance is what they do. Blu ray XL, the real mineral purifier. Visit them at blu ray xl.com, Blu ray all day. Hey, Jackie. Hey Frank. Have you ever wondered how you can clean between all those pesky filter pleats on a cartridge filter? Yeah, I lose sleep over it. I mean, it's so tedious and it takes forever, I could never seem to get them all clean. Well, here's a pro tip. Try the cyclone filter cleaner. It uses water pressure from your garden hose to spin the filter as you clean it. This allows all the filter pleats to get thoroughly cleaned out. And the best part is it is fast and doesn't hurt your back. Wow. The cyclone filter cleaner. You got it? The cyclone filter cleaner, you can thank me later. Thank and what I love about their filter cleaner is they have this wand. It's the best filter cleaning spray device I've ever used. We've tried many, many different ones. They got a short version now and they got a long version. But I love using those things, even on our de filters, we use their wands. And do we have a code? We have a special discount code. If you go to cyclone filter tools.com and use code deep end, you'll save 10% on your order so you can buy direct from them. Great stuff. I'm glad I found it. We got one on every truck. My guys love it. Guys don't miss out on this. This is the best filter cleaning system out there. Everybody we're back, and we're talking about saving money on operating swimming pools, maintaining swimming pools, and today, right now, we're right in the middle of discussing heating. And we were discussing ways to save money heating up a pool, but now I want to talk about some ways that we can save money by maintaining heat in a pool so your heater runs less to maintain a certain temperature. So one of the best things you can do is stop disturbing the surface of the water, don't be running waterfalls. Don't have your jets hitting the surface and making a lot of waves, because that increases heat loss. If you could do the math, I've explained this before, if you can, if you knew the math, at this humidity, at this air temperature, at this water temperature, this amount of sunlight, I have this many square feet of pool area, I can do the calculations because I know the formula, and I can tell you exactly how much water you're going to be losing. All right, great. But now, if you're disturbing that surface, and you're making a lot of waves across the pool, if those waves are creating extra surface area, so you're going to lose heat faster. So you want to try to keep the surface of the pool as calm as possible, to reduce heat loss as much as possible. Something else is wind, and wind whipping across the pool will cause the pool to cool much quicker. It will cause the pool to lose heat much faster. So if there's anything you can do to put up wind breaks or anything like that. If you're planting shrubs or plants or anything around the pool, or you're putting up fences or maybe a pergola or something like that, if you can do something to create a wind break so the wind's not coming straight across the pool without any kind of barrier, you can reduce the heat loss in that pool. So that's something you may want to consider down the road, you know, maybe you want to put up a big wind break anyway, because you don't like your neighbor looking over the fence and, you know, checking you out when you're in the hot tub. So maybe put up a wind break that also blocks sight line and that can serve you well. Now, something else you can do is solar covers. I'm not a big fan of solar covers. I think they're dangerous. I think you know, too many instances of in too much possibility and probability for a small child or a pet to step on a solar cover, thinking it's a solid surface, and they fall underneath it, and then they pop up under it, and they can't get it to break the tension of the water, so they end up drowning. So I'm not a big fan of solar covers, and most clients I've had in the past that have had a solar cover. They'll put it on two or three times, and it's such a pain in the butt to put it on and take it off, it ends up just wadded up in a big ball over in the corner of the yard or in their shed, and then you end up with like little bits of plastic where it finally, after years, it starts breaking down, and there's plastic just blowing around everywhere, because that cover is just breaking into shreds. But there's another product called a solar ring. This is a little fold out ring that you can toss on the pool, and you can get as many as you want, as many as it needs to cover the entire surface of the pool. Well, these are typically, I don't know, four or five feet round, and you can set them on the surface of the pool, and they do this. They accomplish the same thing that a solar cover does, and they basically stop evaporation by keeping the atmosphere off the surface of the water. They're a barrier, and the evaporation is heat loss. When there's evaporation, the energy used to transfer a liquid to a gas is taken out of the surrounding liquid, so evaporation actually will drop the temperature of water. So evaporation is heat loss. So if you can stop the evaporation, you can reduce a lot of the heat loss. Now, there's other ways water loses heat, but evaporation has a huge effect on heat loss. So if you can slow down the heat loss, you slow down evaporation with these solar rings and solar covers, that's how they work. They slow down the heat loss. And some of these products, solar rings and solar covers can transfer a little bit of radiant heat from the sun and transfer it to the water, so they can actually maybe even heat the water up a little bit. But you're best served by a solar ring or a solar cover, by them reducing heat loss. Now, there's also liquid products out there, like one in particular is called Liquid solar blanket, that those create a barrier, like a little film on the surface of the water that greatly slows down heat loss. Now they're not nearly as effective as a solar cover. A solar ring is not nearly as effective as a solar cover, but a liquid solar blanket. It's going to give you some degree of savings and heat loss prevention, but it's not going to be anything like a solar ring or a or a solar cover, but it is going to give you some value of reduced heat loss now, another topic that we should discuss on saving money and reducing price. Problems and maintaining your swimming pool is water loss. Y'all you know we're talking about evaporation. Evaporation is just water leaving the pool, but another way that we have a water loss is a leak. Leaks hurt you much more than just losing water and you having to replace the water. You're also losing chemicals and the fill water that you have to add to the pool to replace that leaking water, typically not water that is balanced to where you need it. So you have to rebalance the new water. Not only did you dilute your sanitizers by losing water, now you're adding water that's not sanitized, that you have to sanitize, and you have to balance it. You have to get the pH right, the alkalinity right. You may have to start adding a little bit of calcium because of that, maybe some stabilizer. So a leak is something that you need to address. Okay, I'm only losing a half inch a day to the leak, you know, not even counting evaporation, you know, that's a lot of water, and that's a lot of chemicals it's going to take to get that new fill water balanced properly. So that is actually costing a lot of money, not counting what it can cost you by keeping the soil wet around the pool and under your deck and over, maybe over near the house. You know, you don't want to start causing movement or anything like that in the in the foundations in your house, foundation, or your decking, or your porch, or any of that. So it a leak is definitely something you want to address. You don't want to blow it off and pretend like it's not that serious. I'm not losing that much water, because it does add up, and I see it a lot. People don't even realize they thought they just had evaporation. And finally, somebody tells them they think they're losing too much water. We come out, we'll do a legalizer. And yeah, they're losing several 100 gallons a day, and that's water they're having to replace and water they're having to rebalance. So a leak is definitely something you want to address. Don't just blow it off. It can cost you a lot more than just a replacement water. Another topic I want to start in before our next break is running your pull lights. Okay, yeah, yeah. It's a light bulb. I get it. It's, you know, light bulbs don't burn that much energy, but if you have incandescent lights, some of these bulbs are 400 watt or 500 watt incandescent light bulbs, all right, so that's like burning five lights. It's not just burning one light. That's like burning five lights. A lot of spotlights are 200 watt if it's an incandescent bulb. So if you're not out there to enjoy it, don't turn it on. Just leave it off. Now, if you are out there and enjoy it, okay, yeah, turn it on. You know, get some value out of it. But don't just leave it on. I know a lot of people put their lights on timers and have them come on every night at six o'clock and or seven o'clock and go off every night at 1030 or 11 o'clock, that's just wasteful. I mean, if you're not out there, why do you want the light on? It's not that important. And yes, it's not a big, significant energy savings to turn the light off. I mean, it's not going to be the difference whether your kid goes to private school or public school, but it's a little bit of savings and having a light bulb replaced on a swimming pool light. Now, I don't even a lot of areas. You can't even get the incandescent bulbs anymore, so you have to replace the whole fixture. And these fixtures, the new LED fixtures, typically are going to run you over $1,000 just for the fixture. So you probably want to, you know, get the most use out of this incandescent before you switch it out. It's something I want to mention about a light being on a timer, where it comes on every night and then turns itself off. You know, an incandescent light, no, it has a little filament in it that you run electricity through that little filament and it glows hot. That's how you get light. Well, I'm sure everybody has turned the light on, an incandescent light on at one time or another. Turned it on and it popped and that little filament broke. So the light bulb went out, and you have to replace the light bulb. Well, it's a little more expensive to replace the pull light bulb than it is to replace a standard light bulb in your house. I mean, especially if it's a 400 or 500 watt bulb or a 200 watt bulb, see, I mean, you don't want to replace that bulb any more than necessary, but a lot of people may not understand that bulbs, light bulbs, typically always go out when you turn them on. They're typically don't go out when they're just sitting there and bent on for a while. They go out when you first turn them on and hit that little filament with a surge of electricity, causing the filament to pop. There's actually a light bulb in Fort Worth It was actually got to do some electrical work on the building back in the early 1980s and they had a light on their back porch that had stayed on for it's like, 3040, years, and still had the original light bulb in this light for whatever Reason, they never turned this light off, and because they never turned that light off, it never got turned back on, and faced the possibility of that filament breaking when it first got energized. So that's incredible to me, that a light bulb can last that long, and you'll probably notice the lights that you turn on and off. The most if you have incandescent lights in your house, are the ones that go bad and the ones that you have to replace the bulbs in most frequently, I want to go and go to another break when we come back, we're going to talk about some LED lights, since we're on the topic of lights, and we'll see you in a sec, renowned worldwide for quality and reliability. Fluidro, the industry, leading global manufacturer of commercial and residential swimming pool equipment and connected pool solutions, has a long history of innovation and excellence, dating back more than 100 years. Their extensive portfolio of brands include some of the most trusted product lines in the industry, like Polaris Jandy, Zodiac cover pools, grand effects, nature two CMP Dell Taylor and I Aqua link so from the pool pad to the pool deck and everything in between. Luidra has all your pool needs covered. Do you want to stop the cycle of metal staining and keep your pool and spa stain free all year long? 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I know pal lighting, and especially if you use the poolside tech, the attendant system, you can get it to, like, dance to the music, stuff like that. It's really cool. What you can do with the LED lighting. I mean, I think Powell claims they got 16 million colors. I don't know who count on them, but that's a lot of freaking colors, if you ask me, probably more than they need. But it is pretty cool. So you may say to yourself, Okay, I use LED lighting. I don't care if I leave my light on now, okay, I get it. Energy Savings 100% I get that. But hey, what happens when you leave a light on. What comes around, it starts drawing bugs. All right. So now you got a lot more bugs around your backyard. You got bugs falling in your pool. Everything that goes in your pool, your chlorine is going to work, trying to oxidize it. So, all right, that's going to use up a little bit of chlorine. All right. What else happens when you got a lot of bugs around? Here come the frogs. Frogs eat bugs. So you leave your lights on in your pool, the bugs are coming to the lights. Frog wants to eat. Frog's gonna come eat the bugs, and he's may end up in your pool. Okay, there goes another load on the chlorine. All right. Now we've got frogs in the pool. What eats frogs? A lot of things eat frogs. Snakes be one of them. So you're basically creating a little food chain in your pool. You're bringing the bugs by turning on the lights. Here come the frogs to eat the bugs. Here come the snakes to eat the frogs. Here comes a raccoon, I don't know, to wash a peanut and crap on your tanning ledge. I mean, you just got Wild Kingdom going on in your backyard. So it's my recommendation, if you're not out there to enjoy light and take advantage of a light being on. Why use it? Just go and turn it off. I mean, there's no good coming from it, so why not just leave it off? You neighbors aren't even looking at it. I mean, if you're out there, absolutely take advantage of it. Pick your prettiest color that you like and use your pool light. But if you, if you're not out there and enjoy it, turn it off. There's just no sense in using it. Everybody that's that's gonna be all we got tonight next week, we'll be doing another episode on ways to save money and save energy. Be more responsible with chemicals, everything like that, on your swimming pool and make your life a little easier. So make sure you catch us next week, and Jackie will not be on here next week either. So it'll just be me again, because I'm actually recording this week ahead of time, because I'm going to be traveling a lot. I'm going to be in Atlantic City. So hey, make sure you show all our sponsors a little bit bit of love. If you know, if there's not a poll, works near you, become the poor works near you. Blu Ray, Excel. Love you. Chris Gavin, you're the bomb cyclone filter tools. I appreciate your sponsorship this year in fluid, particularly Polaris cleaners. Love you guys. 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