Ep170 Dust Storm Drama & Pool Cleaner Debate

In Episode 170 of The Deep End Pool Podcast, Frank and Jacque tackle real listener questions including how to deal with pool problems caused by recent dust storms and a hot take from a viewer who disagrees with Frank’s 44-Second Pool School advice about reducing pressure-side cleaner run times.

Frank gives a no-nonsense breakdown on how dirt settles on tanning ledges, why proper circulation is more powerful than random cleaner movement, and what really causes staining in tricky pool spots. Whether you're a pool owner or pro, this is a must-hear episode full of helpful tips and deep-end humor.

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00:00 - Intro and sponsors shout-out  
01:35 - Texas dust storms and party chaos  
04:00 - Backyard updates & lightning strike story  
08:30 - Listener Q&A begins  
09:00 - Bubba Ray’s dusty tanning ledge problem  
14:00 - Circulation vs. cleaner bags explained  
20:00 - Filter overload from fine dust  
25:00 - Spa mode tips for dust in hot tubs  
29:00 - Listener disagrees with 44-Second Pool School  
31:00 - Cleaner run time vs. good circulation  
35:00 - Tips for pool builders: return placement  
39:00 - Wrap-up & where to find us online  
41:00 - Outro song & contact info

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Welcome to the deep end pool podcast for pool owners and the swimming pool service professional. All of our sponsors are brands that we know, trust and use in our own business. We are brought to you by pool works for healthy pool people. That's pool works.com pool W, E, R x.com, if there isn't a pool works near you, become the pool works near you. Special thanks to blu ray XL, the best pool mineral purification. System in the industry, Blu ray all day. Fluidra and their many brands, including candy pool equipment and Polaris the most advanced automatic pool cleaners in the industry, Cyclone filter tools, save time, save water and save your back all save pool, fence nets and pool covers over 25 years of providing the best equipment to secure pool areas, saving the lives of children and pet clear comfort a patented hydroxyl based water treatment system, the future of water treatment and our friends in IPSA, independent Pool and Spa Service Association, improving the industry through community education and support. The Deep End pool podcast focuses on residential pool maintenance and may not cover commercial pool commercial pool requirements. Please consult the CDC and your local authorities and code requirements for commercial pool maintenance. Now let's solve some pool problems with your host, Frank and Jackie Disher. Happy spring. It hasn't sprung yet. Yeah, I think it did spring. He did not spring Eve, and the water is green. How much acid, how much Hey, friends, welcome to the deep end with deep in Frank, well, all right, I wasn't ready go? Well, that was a fail. Well, let me try this again. Hey friends, welcome to the event with and jack on the air. Where were you? I think this is our 162nd episode, and that's the first time I was not ready. It feels like 6 million but it is what it is. You wear me out. Man, that's my job. I know that's my job. Okay, we are into spring ish, but it's cold in the morning, cold at night. It's in we're Texas. Man, it's, well, supposed to be like this. We haven't had rain. I got to get our, our Rocky, oh, by the way, y'all, you know what? I'm going to put a link to rocho sprinkler systems on the just an Amazon link. Our House took a lightning strike, boom. I mean, like, sounded like a bomb. We think it struck our house. We're not even kidding, yeah, but that we were very fortunate. It wiped out our Wi Fi a little bit, which we got fixed fairly quick. But the only thing that really blew up and destroyed was our sprinkler system, which is a ratio. It's a Wi Fi sprinkler system. Love it, absolutely love it. Anyway, I want to put a link to that, but finally got a new one and got it installed because it hadn't rained in, like, a month. It hadn't rained, but yet, the green from the grass that has been is coming up. I had to contact our yard guy and go, Hey, yeah, starting to come. I think you might need to come mow every other week now, because we're getting some stuff. And our new tree, I was afraid it was dead, but we planted it in November, I think right before Thanksgiving. Better not. No, I was worried about it. Trees ain't cheap. And this tree, it looks like it's putting on buds, but, yeah, I didn't get water to it for a month, though, and I did kept slipping my mind, because, you know, it doesn't feel hot out, so I just weren't thinking about it, and we were out of town. Yeah, all the things, but I got, got a rock you replaced. Is real easy to get it back up and running and picked up the old schedules and everything. And so we finally started watering again. Yeah, that's awesome. So this week, we celebrated Carter rose. We talked about that last week, but we had the birthday party. It was so sweet. She's born, she's she's hot Lord. There's a bunch of people here. There was a bunch of people. I Well, we hosted it at our house because it was our house was closer than where our youngest daughter lived. Her mama lives, and so all her friends are kind of on this side of town. And so we hosted it, and there were people. It's a come and go. There won't be more than 20 people in the house at one time. No, there's we probably had 70 people, but we at least had 5060, some did come and go, and God bless you, for, you know, stopping by, you know, and we were happy with the people that stayed. But I think at one time we had nine babies in the house. Oh, more than that, there's babies upon babies. Oh, my gosh, y'all. I mean. Uh, crazy, like, I'm starting to worry about the whole world population, the population, the population. There's babies everywhere, man. But, yeah, it was crazy. Nice party. We did that. And then we this week, my mama had been in the hospital. Y'all keep praying for her. Um, she's doing a little better. She's home. But there's some, you know, there's some there's some stuff happening we gotta take care of. And then we went to we have season tickets, y'all, because I'm a theater person, all my degrees are in theater. And so we have season tickets to bass Hall in Fort Worth. I know there's one in Austin too. Did you know the basses own the one in Austin? In Austin? Oh, no, yeah. Don't surprise me. Anyway, we're in Fort Worth. So we as we get season tickets, because that's what we do. And we get two extra, so we get four. So we can take people, or we can bless people, or when we're out of town, Hey, who wants these tickets? Whatever. And so part of our season ticket program, they had an add on from Les Miserables. And I was like, Okay, seeing less Miserables, seen it, been there, done that, then done that. And last fall, Frank was like, you have to buy tickets, because everybody talks about it. You had never seen it on stage. You'd only seen, I've seen the movie, and Russell Crowe sucks y'all. I mean, you know, if he, if he ain't wearing a gladiator uniform. He kind of sucks. He can't sing anyway, so I bought the tickets. So that was, that was this week, and all my theater friends hate me. Not hate me, but because there's and I'm like, it's like, my least favorite iconic musical ever. Don't hate me, but it just is. And Frank saw it in person, and he realizes you want to lay Correct. You want a layman's, layman's opinion on this. I was very into the first act, which I think lasted three days, and then I was very into it, really, really trying to concentrate. You know, it's my hearing's not the best when they're playing music and they sing every line, it's sometimes it's hard for me to figure out what they're saying. But I was really into it, man. I was really focused, like, leaning forward in my seat to try to be 10 inches closer to the stage. And, all right, okay, all right, I'm following this act. One is like, all right. I like where this is going. It's pretty good, you know. And then came back second act, and I'm like, Yeah, we could have just went home. It could have ended it, yeah, it didn't. It got worse. How does that happen? There are some iconic moments and music in this show. No, the music was good, the acting was fantastic, not disregard, no, this story sucks. It's not good. There's, I feel like there's too many rabbits to choose. There really is many. Yeah, all right, yeah, the story is not bad. Stories not bad. Yeah, there's too many. I don't, I don't, I don't know. Anyway, I love the music. But, you know, I didn't warn Frank that it there's very little dialog. Everything is the story is told through music. And so there was that, but I wasn't gonna tell him my opinion anyway, he had a great time. I mean, it's a little aggravating to me that, you know, French people speak English better than I do. I mean, there's, there's a lot of people speaking that is what it is, what else ago? Oh, another dirt storm. So sorry, yeah, so sorry, y'all. I know you're dealing with this. I think we, we're doing this questions today. Yeah, one of our questions, I think the first one is about the dirt, all the things, Yep, yeah, we're having dirt the weather changing. It's just craziness and but I mean, the start, it's hard to deal with. It's very hard, absolutely, absolutely. So let's go, get into, get into the listener questions today, y'all and we love when you email us. We love when you comment and ask questions. Yeah, any email deepen, frank@gmail.com and if you're not part of the DFW Pool Owners Group, because you can also message Frank, because he's what is that called the monitor, the admin or whatever. Yeah? Well, yeah, you can just private message. Sure, private message. But there are also starting in in different areas around other pull owner groups. Yes, that you're, you know, ours is doing so good. We're pushing 9000 members in the DFW pull owner group, which is kind of blowing me away. And so I've reached out, and I've started them. Y'all, I can't, I just need people to pick these up. But I got them everywhere. I mean, I got Atlanta pull owner group, I've got Florida Panhandle pull owner group, South Carolina pull owner group, North Carolina pool owner group. All I'm doing is dropping my videos and podcast on there, and they're kind of managing, yeah, and, you know, we got rules that we follow. You know, we don't allow people to be jerks. We don't. We. Move bad answers. We don't let people get confused by bad answers. Being there with good answers, we kind of limit the pros. I want pros in there, but Dad, you got to talk to me first. You got to understand the rules. You're not just going to blow up poll owners with call me, call me, call me. No, you're going to answer the freaking question. This is a pull owner advocate group. Yes, it's yes. Do I talk about my business? Absolutely, I talk about my business, but also spend, you know, I'll talk about my business after I answer a question. Yeah? People are on there because they need help. Yes, and you need local help. If you're in the Dallas Fort Worth area, or you're in Atlanta, you don't need somebody in New York City telling you what you need to do to your pool. Construction methods are different. Water chemistry is a little bit different. Yes, the maintenance is different. Maintenance is different. Everything's a little bit different. And you need local people, and that's why we want some local pros in these groups to help answer people's questions. Y'all a pro is going to know more than you. A pro that knows what he's doing is going to know more than you. And he sees many, many, many pools. He's not just some dude that's had the same pool for 20 years and seen the same thing over and over and over and over. He's seen the different options. A local pro is a good resource for you to get information from. And of course, you know, and anybody that's willing to share information and to be part of the swimming pool community that supports and wants to be an advocate for the consumer deserves your business. He deserves it more than Leslie's, who is just a Yeah, I did the L word. Their stock price is really bad right now, a local pro that cares and is an advocate for the poll owners is that's who you need to be using. You know, they don't mind giving a little help. They don't mind giving a little direction. Now, they don't need to be telling you how to work on your gas heater, because you're going to blow yourself up. They don't need to be trying to talk you through how to wire a motor. Y'all, you're not going to recognize if something else is wrong, you're going to get yourself shocked as far as managing your pool on the day to day, a local pro that is familiar with your environment, is familiar with the construction methods that are used in your area, familiar with the water that comes out of the tap in your area or out of wells in your area, and familiar with what chemicals work best, what processes work best in your area? So I really encourage you, you know, I give a lot of information on here, and a lot of the information is pertinent to most pools, but there's going to be areas that some of the stuff, I may say, May you know, because I don't talk about suction side cleaners much, because we don't have many suction side cleaners here. We got pressure side, and we got robots, and I like the robots a lot. There's now a new word. What's that? Murder? What familiar, familiar. What I didn't say familiar. What else? Mayor, familiar. Okay, all right, all right, so let's go ahead and go to break. We're going to go to break. And hey, want to give a shout out to all our sponsors. We got blu ray, XL Chris Gavin, love you. You support the industry very, very well. Thank you very much for that. We got poll works. Y'all poll works. If poll works near you, you need to become the pool works near you. You got See you later, metal eliminator and stain prevention, stain removal. Great company, great products. Love them a lot, and also sponsored by our new puppy dog Daisy. If you hear her in the background, we apologize because she's a puppy and she doesn't know and she's bouncing around stuff and she's Yeah, and want to give a shout out to fluidra Jamie. Love. Love those guys. They support us very, very well. You know, my favorite brand anyway, but support I get from them is just unbelievable. So we're gonna go to break when we come back, we're gonna address some questions. List your questions. And the water is green. Do you want to stop the cycle of metal staining and keep your pool and spa stain free all year long? Do you want happy customers while saving time and money introducing periodic products. See you later, metal eliminator and stain preventer, your answer for metal free and stain free pools, sequestering agents only temporarily suspend metals. See you later, removes and eliminates all stain causing metals like iron, copper, cobalt and manganese and it changes color to identify the metals removed. Visit, see you later.com. That's C, U, L, A, T, O, r.com, and use code Deep End 44 for a special discount. It's not magic, it's science. Hey Jack, hey Frank. Have you ever wondered how you can clean between all those pains? Rescue filter pleats on a cartridge filter. Yeah, I lose sleep over it. I mean, it's so tedious and it takes forever, I could never seem to get them all clean. Well, here's a pro tip. Try the cyclone filter cleaner. It uses water pressure from your garden hose to spin the filter as you clean it. This allows all the filter pleats to get thoroughly cleaned out. And the best part is it is fast and doesn't hurt your back. Wow. The cyclone filter cleaner. You got it. The cyclone filter cleaner, you can thank me later. Thank and what I love about their filter cleaner is they have this wand. It's the best filter cleaning spray device I've ever used we've tried many, many different ones. They got a short version now and they got a long version. But I love using those things, even on our de filters, we use their wands. And do we have a code? We have a special discount code. If you go to cyclone filter tools.com and use code deep end, we'll save 10% on your order so you can buy direct from them. Great stuff. I'm glad I found it. We got one on every truck. My guys love it. Guys don't miss out on this. This is the best filter cleaning system out there. Why should you brush? Hey, friends, welcome back to the deep end with Frank and Jackie. We're talking about some spring has sprung. Things with our listener questions? Yes, and we haven't done listener questions. I don't think even in 2025 we did one a few weeks ago. We, I don't, I don't remember the only one we've done this year at the end of 2024 Yeah. So these are good. These are good. So Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna see if we can answer these. And one is, one is local, but I feel like it's all over tech, and it can be in other areas. Liz, you're watching number one. Br, so I'm gonna say Bubba Ray. Bubba Ray and DFT, Bubba Texas. Y'all Bubba Ray says, like everyone else in North Texas, the dust storms are kicking my backside. I'm gonna change that, he said. But with the pool, my pool looks filthy, filthy. Y'all filthy, filthy. My Polaris cleans the floor, but I keep getting more dirt on my tanning ledge. Ooh, that's not cool. What is the easiest way to get rid of all this dirt and keep it from coming back? I don't think this is before you answer pool guy. I don't think this is just North Texas. I mean, this is all over that get dust storms, and we've had all these ridiculous weather. Yeah, I don't think you get too many dust storms in Minnesota, but down here in the south, well, you know, all over the South Oklahoma, down here in the south, these dust storms have been really bad, and we got two back to back, kind of what happened last year too, and it was very, very, very problematic y'all. But to answer this question, you know, I'm going to kind of pick it apart piece by piece, or my players, cleans the floor, but I keep getting more dirt on my tanning ledge. Y'all, alright, here's the thing about a pressure side cleaner that have bags on them. Those bags, there's a lot of stuff that will pass through them in this fine dust that's blowing around in these winds that are coming out of West Texas and wherever you're at panhandle, Oklahoma or Kansas, or wherever else you got dust storms. This dust is small enough to pass right through that bag. It may catch some of it that's kind of watered together, but most of it's just going to pass right through that bag. So your cleaner is actually not picking it up, it's just blowing it through the bag. And the reason you're getting the appearance that you're getting more dirt in the pool because your floor looks clean, but you're getting more dirt and it's on your tanning ledge. No, that dirt is blowing through your Polaris bag going up, and it's continually doing that as your Polaris or letro, or whatever you have, pressure style cleaner is going around, and it's tossing all this dirt up in the air. And finally it gets to where it will land on a tanning ledge or up on a bench or a step or somewhere else where your player says it going to get to and now your players doesn't move it around anymore. So it appears that you keep getting more dirt in your pool, but you're not, and it's especially not just falling in on your not really dirt. No, it's really dirt. It's really dirt, but it's you're not getting more dirt, you're net. You're just not removing the dirt that's in the pool. You're just moving it around till it finally gets up on the steps or tanning ledge. So, I mean, there's a few things you can do. You can get these fine mesh bags. They're like, kind of like skimmer socks that they make for some of these pressure side cleaners. You can put those in there, but they're gonna fill up really quick. And with this fine mud, it's just gonna pack it up really quick. But I mean, y'all, if you're getting this a lot, this is a really good indication that your circulation isn't what you need it to be, because you you should be turning your. Well to where water is passing across your tanning ledge and water is blowing across your steps and across your benches, to where you've fixed your circulation, to where everywhere in the pool water is passing over. Now, sometimes this can be very difficult on some poles to get the water where it's hitting up there, but you don't want to hit the surface you but you want that whole current of the pools turning and that will help keep the dirt continually moving off your tanning ledges, in your steps, and eventually it will get filtered out. If you have your main drain open, some may go out through the skimmer into the filter, but when we get these heavy dust storms and you're getting a lot of dirt in your pool, you might want to put a little more suction to your bottom drain. If you have a bottom drain, not every pool has a bottom drain, but as this water is moving around, and if you keep getting if your cleaner keeps tossing up in the water, eventually that bottom drain is going to pull the vast majority of this out, because it is going to sink to the bottom. And if your current is working right, and you're turning your pool, well, that's all this dirt is going to kind of move its way to the center of the pool, which typically where your floor drain should be. And if you're sucking water through that floor drain into your filter, you're going to pull it out. But y'all, y'all may have to a couple filter cleans. We went through this last year. We had people we cleaned their filter two or three times, just in the spring, and typically around here, we can go six months without having to clean a filter, right, right? But if you don't, if you let your pressure just continue to build up, build up, build up. Because of all this fine dirt, you're going to run your cartridges. Your cartridges are going to we went through a lot of this last year, and a lot of people were upset, but it ain't our fault. I mean, I don't own West Texas. You're going to run your run. Ruin. Oh, okay. No, I was just like, Oh no, you're going to ruin. Yeah, well, yeah, and I probably don't say that. I've caught myself saying that where I don't enunciate Well, sorry, excuse me, as some of you sorry, still I don't pronunciate well. But no, I don't enunciate well. And I should say ruin. I wasn't trying to correct you. I just was like, No, can run your own I didn't know that's just me being a hillbilly. All right, yeah, you're gonna run these cartridges. If you let this dirt really pack up in there, and it's gonna get driven deeper and deeper and deeper into the fabric of your cartridges, and it's gonna get, I don't care how often you clean it, you're not gonna be able to get all that stuff out in your clean press. Clean pressure is gonna be higher to start with. And so we went a lot of people last year. I mean, one two year old cartridges, and they were having to replace them because of all the dust, and I bet we're gonna be running into that this year, but to get the dirt out of the pool, I mean, one thing you can do. All right, there's no more dust blown in, y'all so, all right, you might, you know, call a pool company that does a filter back or a vacuum to waste, have them come vacuum all that dirt up into their equipment so we can remove it from your pool so it won't end up in your filter. That's one way to do it. If you have a filter that has a multi port back wash valve, like you have a sand filter or DE filter that has a multi port backwash valve, and you know how to use your vacuum hose, you can vacuum that stuff up in waste mode so it actually doesn't go into the filter. It actually just passes through and out to waste. But that's going to lower the water level in your pool or direct more of the suction from your floor drain to help move this stuff out faster. Hot tubs are really bad, you know, because the cleaner never gets in the hot tub, but you can easily clean your hot tub up by putting it in Spa mode and brushing the spa well while you're in Spa mode, because that's going to get all that stuff churning in there. When you're in Spa mode, if you have a hot tub, an attached hot tub, you're only sucking from the spa. You're only returning to the spa. So those floor drains, those two floor drains in that little bit of space, are sucking all the water out of that spa to the filter and back to the pool. And you can brush it really well. That stuff's gonna be moving around, and you'll be able to, if you do this two or three times, you know, maybe two a couple days apart, or whatever you'll get to where you can get that hot tub really clean, really quick. But all that dirt you're pulling out through your hot tub, or if you're sucking it from your pull is going into your filter. So if you have a DE filter, expect to backwash quite frequently. If you have a cartridge filter, man, you might need to be cleaning this thing once a week until we get beyond this, and you get all that dirt out. And you might even, you know, maybe start budgeting for a new set of cartridges, because these. Cartridges get run really, really quick when we have this fine dust so but as far as the dirt being on the tanning ledge, yeah, that's just an indication that you're not getting good current, good circulation across your tanning ledge. If you have a center fountain in your tanning ledge, you can replace that center fountain, which is typically just an eyeball, just a three quarter inch eyeball. You can replace that with a side slotted jet and have that just blow up towards the wall of the tanning ledge where the where the floor of the tanning ledge meets the wall at the tall line, you can have that jet just blowing backwards, and that will help keep that stuff moved off that tanning ledge there's I saw somebody asked a question today, how do you get these this red stain off your tanning ledge from where all this dirt SAT? But you know what? If you had constant movement across that tanning ledge, it wouldn't have sat there. And if you get good circulation, preventative, very helpful. Yeah, and brush frequently. Y'all, you don't some of this stuff, it will stain. So brush frequently, especially the areas if you got little dead areas where the stuff's gathering up, make sure you're brushing there quite frequently. You don't want to discolor your plaster, and you want this stuff constantly moving around until finally gets filtered out. But your number one tool is good circulation. So accomplish good circulation, and that's going to do good things for you in your pool with this dirt. It's going to help you get past this really quick. But keep those filters clean, get the circulation going right brush a lot. If you got a robotic cleaner, you're gonna have to empty it quite a bit, because this dirt clogs them up pretty quick. But, you know, run it every day if you have to, whatever you got to do, get this dirt out of there, just quick as you can, to get it out of your filter, get it out of your system, and then we can get get on to have it in, like a normal summer, spring kind of thing. But it is already break time again. Okay, so when we come back, we're gonna do one more question. I believe this next question kind of ties in the last one, but we'll be back in a minute, and the water is green, how much acid? How much chlorine? 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Hey friends, welcome back to the deep end. We are talking about some things happening just as we get into the season and spring and all this thing we're doing some listener questions, which we love these episodes, because you guys are so sweet to comment in and to just ask questions that you I mean, they're important. Yeah, they're pregnant for what's going on. You're not the only one I think that is dealing with what you're asking. So I love it. So I'm looking at number two and getting on my reading glasses. Y'all, I'm glad this is not filmed yet. We're about to do some video. I think we're about to do some video. Start doing that video podcast. But right now it's not filmed. I had to put on my listener question. Okay. Liz, your question number two is. JB, so of course, that has to be Jethro Bodine. Jethro Bodine. Jethro Bodine, we may be cousins, fella, yeah, I don't know if this is a question or just a hey, explain this time. It looks kind of a complaint. It could be a girl. It could be it could be a girl. I disagree with your 44 second pool school, which, by the way, if you're not looking at those, y'all on YouTube 44 seconds. How do they listen to those? Just go to you can find our YouTube page. It's by searching at deep in Frank and the page is actually called. Called how to swim and pull. But you can find it by searching that deep and Frank and I do these 44 second pull school episodes where basically Jackie asked the question, and then we have our scoreboard in our game room, and it starts counting down from 44 seconds. And I got 44 seconds to answer the question, but these are shorts, so 44 seconds a day, if you, if you watched one of these, two of these a day, and they're pertinent. Yes, they're fabulous topics. And so you could learn how to do your pool. I mean, there's going to end up being probably over 200 of those right now. I think we're at in the mid 40s. Yeah, on what's been released, but there'll be end up being over 200 anyway, I love that. JB, they're watching those. So I disagree with your 44 second pool school episode on YouTube about reducing cleaner run times. That's and that is a big topic. I think the cleaner helps move water up in dead spots, and that is more important than a little bit of extra wear and tear on the cleaner. Speak, says, You Jethro Bodine speak paint Disher speak, no, I don't know, because if you get your circulation right, and this is kind of, I'm just still in thunder from the last question, sure you get your circulation right, you don't need your cleaner getting up into these dead spots. Now, yes, when a cleaners move around, does it get up in the dead spot? Yes, it does. But you know what, running your cleaner five, six hours a day to help eliminate dead spots? And you know what, I actually had somebody Address me with this question on Facebook, so I'm wondering to go back see if it's the same person, but it's fine if it is, I mean, as cordial about it, but you know what, guys, no, get your circulation right. Don't be counting on a cleaner to fix dead spots for you, because one, you can't guarantee that cleaner is going to go to that dead spot. Cleaners are random, unless you got an alpha iq plus, then it maps the pool and make sure it grows everywhere. But even still, cleaners are random, and counting on a cleaner to fix dead spots for you is, I think that's poor management. I think you need to get your circulation where your circulation is fixing your dead spots, and not counting on something like your weekly brushing fixing your dead spots. Yes, you just, you need to brush. Yes, it's great that a cleaner does get up in this areas and move a little extra water and stuff like that. But the wear and tear from that 44 second pool school, the wear and tear I'm talking about, y'all, it's a it's a couple $100 extra a year, or a few $100 extra year, actually, if you take into consideration that the extra electricity you're using, the extra wear you're putting on that pump, because they typically have a booster pump, and then the wear and tear on bearings going out quicker, tires wearing out quicker, bags wearing out quicker, the tail wearing out quicker, all these things go together that cost you money when all you Gotta do is fix fix your circulation. You know, yes, like I said, it's great that your cleaners moving around, doing his job, you know, getting up into places. You know that maybe a leaf set for a little bit, but your circulation needs to be handling your dead spots, not your cleaner. And if you know you got dead spots, you need to be adjusting your jets. You can use a side slot jet. You can use the three quarter inch directionals. There's different jets that you can use to get up into areas and get this entire pool moving around. The best you can now in the last couple months, you know, because builders down, everybody likes these free form pools. And I get it, you know, a free form pool depending on your backyard, maybe, man, that may be, you know, it may look much, much better than a square pool, but in our backyard, we didn't have much choice if we would have gone free form we, you know, our backyard, sure what it would look like. Yeah, it'd be smaller. I'd know that it'd definitely be smaller. But, you know, our our backyard is not real big or front or freaking huge, but our backyard is not real big land, but so a square we're great minds, so it's easy for me to turn that, you know, but I want to give shout out to the builders that y'all if you're building a free form pool, pay attention to where you're placing your returns, so you can eliminate dead spots? If you're having a pole built and they're giving you a design, please ask them, Where are you placing the returns? Many are there? Yeah, where are you placing the returns? And how many? How many returns are you placing to make sure that I don't have any dead spots, because they can, it's easy for them to do it. They don't cost them any more to put a return over in this spot than it does over in that spot. Yeah. So I mean just strategically placing returns, having a plan going in to make sure you're moving you're moving water in all parts of the pool, eliminating all dead spots. You're putting a return on the tan. Ledge. That's not just a bubbler. You're doing a return that will actually move water across the tanning ledge instead of just a bubbler. Because bubblers don't move much water across the tanning ledge. They come up, they bubble up four, six inches, and then it kind of falls and just kind of rolls off into the pool. You're not exchanging that water around that tanning ledge. So many pools I see where I mean, we got to get creative, and we got to use different style returns to make sure that we get water across steps and benches, because benches are really bad about staining. Tanning ledges are really bad about staining. Steps are bad about staining. Hot tubs are bad about staining. Why? Because we're not moving water there, and they're in all these places that are bad about staining are also bad about growing algae, because we're not moving water there. So, you know, disagree with me, if you if you wish. I mean, this is America, you got the right to be wrong, sir or ma'am, whichever one it is, welcome to America. Here's your wrong card. You're much better off optimizing your circulation as you are running a cleaner extra to make up for your lack of circulation. So pay more attention to that. Hot tubs. I want to go back to the hot tub thing. You know. I know you like your your fountains in these hot tubs, where you got this piece of pipe that comes up from the floor the hot tub and comes up to just beneath the water level in the hot tub, and then sometimes you'll put a little fountain head on it. And, you know, I know that looks good and everything, because the waterfall coming out, coming off the hot tub, if you got a raised hot tub, just doesn't do it enough for you, but y'all you, you've created a problem down in the foot well of that hot tub because you're not moving any water down there. If you can just bite the bullet and live without this pipe coming up from the floor of your hot tub and put a side slotted return. Screw that in that hole. When you screw that pipe out, that's an inch and a half hole, that's the same fitting in the floor of that hot tub that they have in the wall of your pool where they put returns. If you can screw a side slot fitting down there in that hole, that inch and a half threaded fitting, and have it shooting out the side. Now you're going to be spinning water around the floor of that hot tub, and that's going to keep stuff from sitting and algae from growing and staining. It's going to help keep that water chemistry in the foot. Well, yes, yeah, it just do it, y'all it, you know. And you're probably not even going to notice that you don't have that fountain in your hot tub. I think it's just so much more important if maintenance and cost and problems out prioritize the little bit of a splash that you're getting from a little fountain in your hot tub, then you need to do this, stop using these fountains, and stir the floor of that hot tub. Much, much better builders, if a client says they want that fountain in the center of their hot tub, then how about you add an extra jet in that hot tub, in the wall of the foot well that will move water around in that hot tub to keep that stirred up. You can do that too. Y'all. There's so many options you have here, and it doesn't cost much to do that. So you know, how about, you know, let's, when you're building a pool. Let's try to prevent future problems, not just get them what they think is beautiful today. Let's get try to put our mind to let's do things that make their pool awesome 10 years from now, not just how pretty it is this month, right, right? So, yeah, I just wanted to, I kind of get a little bit fired up about that, but you're a firecracker man, and that's okay and passionate about because you want people to understand, well, it's just nothing wrong with that. You know, it's just simple, simple solutions that we can easily put into effect that just make our lives better and help us spend less money, help our pool stay looking good for much more of the season, and just make our pool lives a little better. And to me, that's what it's all about. So but anyway, thank you guys for listening. We'll be back next week. I believe this is episode 162 we're coming up even now we are. Yeah, I think we were pushing maybe higher than that. I'm gonna have to look but we are pushing 200 Thank you. Poll works for your sponsorship. It's great. We appreciate it. There's not a pork near you. Become the porks near you. If you are interested in being porks, there'll be contact information in the description of this podcast for Billy, you contact Billy and she'll help you get on board and Jeff and thank you, Blu ray Excel. Chris Gavin, thank you very much for all that you do for the industry. See you later. Love you guys and fluid drive players, pool cleaners. 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