Ep 173. Skimmer Leaks, Superior Fixes & Pool Service Challenges | The Deep End Pool Podcast

In this episode of The Deep End Pool Podcast, Frank and Jacque dive deep into skimmer leaks and the innovative skimmer injection method for a superior fix. They also tackle the common challenges pool pros face when dealing with safety nets and pool service logistics. With spring and summer just around the corner, get the expert insights you need to keep your pool in top shape. Whether you're a pool owner or a pro, this episode is packed with practical advice, tips, and the real-world challenges of pool maintenance!

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Timeline Chapters:

• 0:00 - Introduction
  Welcome to The Deep End Pool Podcast, with sponsors and a brief about the show.
• 2:29 - Spring Pool Prep: Pollen & Debris
  Frank and Jacque discuss spring cleaning challenges and the impact of live oak and elm debris.
• 6:00 - Spring Tree & Lawn Updates
  A discussion about their new red oak tree and how the weather has affected the yard.
• 7:01 - Family Updates: Parker's Birthday & Family Plans
  Jacque shares details about Parker's upcoming 10th birthday and plans for Mother's Day.
• 9:22 - Spring Break Activities & Theater Outing
  Jacque talks about their upcoming trip to see The Little Mermaid and supporting live theater.
• 11:00 - Skimmer Leak Fixes: Skimmer Injection Explained
  Frank dives into the skimmer leak problem and explains the skimmer injection method.
• 16:30 - The Skimmer Injection Process
  A detailed walkthrough of how skimmer injections are done and why they're a permanent fix.
• 21:00 - Skimmer Injection Cost & Effectiveness
  Costs involved in the skimmer injection and the long-term benefits for pool owners.
• 22:30 - Commercial Break: Blu Ray XL & Cyclone Filter Tools
  Sponsors share information on pool mineral purification and cleaning tools.
• 27:00 - Safety Nets vs Safety Fences for Pools
  A discussion about the pros and cons of safety nets and safety fences in pool areas.
• 32:00 - Pool Service and Extra Costs with Safety Nets
  Frank talks about the extra time required for safety net removal and its impact on pool service costs.
• 36:30 - Evaluating Safety Nets and Fences for Your Pool
  Comparing safety nets and safety fences for pool safety and service efficiency.
• 39:18 - Professionalism in the Pool Industry
  Frank discusses the increasing professionalism in the pool industry and the value of skilled pool service.
• 42:00 - Pool Equipment: Robotic Cleaners and Beta Surface Cleaners
  Jacque and Frank talk about new pool equipment like robotic cleaners and the solar-powered Beta surface cleaner.
• 43:30 - Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts
  Recap of the episode and shout-outs to the sponsors.
• 43:44 - Outro & Call to Action
  Request for ratings, reviews, and listener interaction on social media platforms.

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Transcript

Russel Ownens: 0:00

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Unknown: 1:16

hey everybody, spring is on us. Summer's coming, and the water is green. How much acid? A bunch of it. A bunch of it, right now. Hey friends,

Jacque: 1:36

welcome to the deep end with burnt and Jackie, his psychic and life and on the air, we're happy. You're with us as spring is springing. Spring it has, yeah, everybody's ready to dive into their pool. It's not warm enough yet, and there's stuff happening, but it is what it is.

Unknown: 2:00

So, yeah, these live oaks are just killing our guys. We're

Jacque: 2:03

gonna talk about that. Yeah, we got guys out there trying to get people ready for the spring, but, you know, we've had rain, we've had wind and cold and hot and cold hot, I think it's now leveling off.

Unknown: 2:16

Yeah, you know, it's live oaks, and then there's these elms that drop these little seed pods all over and just dumping tons of organic material. And you know, it's just really the pool guy's life right now, y'all sucks. You know, the guy that's coming to clean your pool, if you have a lot of live oaks, you have these elms that are dropping these little they look like wheat or oats that are dropping into the pool, and it's just really difficult for them to keep up right now. So, you know, throw them a bone. We've had a few people post about my pool. Guy was here three days ago. This is what my pool looks like. You know, what did the pool look like after he left? Because if you're getting tons of this live oak and Elm material dumping into your pool that's eating up the chlorine, no, the guy can't really judge for that. You know, if he doesn't know when these all these tassels are going to drop and the pollen is just going to overwhelm the pool, because a lot of this discoloration you're seeing in your pool right now is not algae. It's discoloration because of the pollen. Now we can still bleach it out with good chlorine and everything, but give your poor guy right now the benefit of the doubt. Let him deal with this for a couple weeks. Get all the stuff vacuumed out. If you're on a vacuum service, you're losing circulation, you're losing filtration because all this debris clogging up your skimmers and clogging up your pump pots, and you're losing flow, so you're not filtering as well. You're not circulating as well, and all of a sudden you're pulling I mean, it can get looking bad, but you know what? You're not swimming right now. You're not swimming right now the average person, yeah, we're getting really, really, really close. Lord, we got up into the high 70s in the water temperature. And anytime I talk about temperatures, we're talking about water temperature 99% of the time. But our water temperatures got up in the high 70s, and now we've dropped to the low 60s, because we had that cold front come through. We had a lots of rain, cold, yeah, we had frost on the windshield the other morning, so, so we got a little bit of a reset. Hopefully most of the live oak pollen has dropped and it's over with. But, you know, think about these live oaks. Y'all, it's not everybody's on the same schedule. Your Live Oak may, may have dropped three weeks ago. Some people may not drop till next week. So it's not a consistent you know, all the live oaks get together. Say, All right, guys, on April 3, that's the day we're gonna we're gonna destroy all these pools. No, they don't do that. Yeah, it just kind of happens as from Live Oak to live oak. Everybody's on their own schedule. Sure. It's like our red oak finally put leaves on. Yay. Our new red oak that we planted in the front yard. We were wondering who I was. I was a little concerned, because y'all, you plant a big old tree, it cost big old money. Oh, and I was a little bit,

Jacque: 5:21

don't get me started, because I was gonna kill me Frank with how much money we

Unknown: 5:28

spent. But it was worth it. It was worth it and it, but it's putting on leaves that is debatable. It's all leaved out right now. And you know, hopefully it's gonna grow three, four feet a year, because that's what red oaks do here in North Texas. But it's looking great. Hey, babe, what do we got going on?

Jacque: 5:48

We kind of, you're already into the show. We're

Unknown: 5:52

talking full stuff. But what do we got going on? Well, we got, we got a couple birthdays coming up, Parker. Parker

Jacque: 6:00

grace on the 15th Tax Day. She's our text baby. She turns 10 two hands, and I am just distraught about it, because she is 10 going on 30. She is the funniest thing. She's our little theatrical actress, musical theater person. And so I have her last gift, because she was late sending me here. Give list comes tomorrow, and then I'm going to box all that up and send it to Austin for what we're all sending her. And by the way, what you wanted to get her, the chucks could didn't have a shot, so I had to revert to other things. She's 10. What's a chuck? The shoes? Oh, the shoes. The shoes you want to get her, the chucks, you know, the, yeah, what they were called, did I dream that?

Unknown: 6:52

I don't even know. I'm sure they named after Charles, somebody, whatever. I

Jacque: 6:57

don't know. You know, the, the high top, little converse, yes, Chuck Taylor or something, and no other God, they probably are. They didn't. So I went with some other stuff, and I'm gonna mail it tomorrow and put in a gift card. But y'all, she's turning tan. Y'all, you should see her gift list. There's stuff from Sephora, there's stuff from anthropology. There is this girl knows her stuff, man, and I'm just like her, and her mom sent us the gift list because there's this gift app. I don't even know what it's called, but her mom was like, don't throw up when you see this gift list. And I just died laughing. I thought it was the funniest thing ever. So anyway, I'm gonna have to the last gift is coming tomorrow, the ball cap she wanted from aviator nation a, y'all know that, but I don't know it, but it's like a, it's, it's a big deal. Okay,

Unknown: 7:54

I'm sure it is, or a big deal. Y'all, it's a big

Jacque: 7:57

deal. So she's got a ball cap camera, and that's gonna go in the in the box too. So I gotta pack that up for her, because her birthday is coming. Um, then we have some mothers hope

Unknown: 8:06

she'll listen to the show she's I hope she

Jacque: 8:09

does. I think from the gift app, I had to claim it. Oh,

Unknown: 8:13

so she knows it got balls. She might

Jacque: 8:15

know I don't know. I don't like that, I don't like that, I don't like that. But I've put in a few extra things so some surprises that she didn't know what she can so then we have some Mother's Day pictures this weekend with our other our youngest daughter and her daughter and my mama, four generation pictures and all that. And then we're taking our other granddaughter. We y'all we've got one grandson, bless his little heart, because he's surrounded by girls. And so then our other granddaughter, a Kate, and her mama and I are going to go see live theater. If you don't support live theater, y'all, come on now. Do it live theater. We're gonna go see the Little Mermaid. She is all about Little Mermaid, and I have to throw this out. This is going to be full circle, because the girl playing a little mermaid I have, she's been one of my students. I've taught her and known her since she was four years old, and she is now a musical theater college graduate, and she's playing Ariel at this professional theater.

Unknown: 9:16

And if I'm not mistaken, she's naturally redhead. She is a

Jacque: 9:20

natural redhead. So she's perfect. They did put a wig on her, just to get it down, you know, because Ariel, you know she's, she got those red curls all the way down to her padanka dunk, you know what I mean?

Unknown: 9:32

Say that donkey donk, a donkey don't, do you don't know what the you're, you're, I know what I think. Oh, yeah, let's move on.

Jacque: 9:51

I am ashamed right now. Okay, y'all, we're going to the theater this weekend. It's Palm Sunday. On Sunday. So we'll go to, you know, all the things. And we're

Unknown: 10:03

not Catholic, so we won't be showing off with ashes on our forehead. But

Jacque: 10:07

you know what, all those Catholic I love that. I love the Ash Wednesday. I mean, that's, that's an awesome tradition, so

Unknown: 10:15

I'm not slamming them. I'm just saying we ain't got no ashes on our head. So,

Jacque: 10:20

yeah, we have Palm Sunday, and then next Sunday is Easter Sunday. All the things

Unknown: 10:25

Avey said, she wants me to hide the egg. I

Jacque: 10:28

asked her, if you know, I said, Do you want oompa or y'all to hide the eggs? I said, Now, oompa hides them really hard, and I'm just a little bit more, you know, hey, I want you to find them. And she was like, oompa. She looked at me seriously, like a politician, like, are you even asking me this question? Oompa? I was like, Okay,

Unknown: 10:51

no, she likes a challenge. She's a smart little girl. She is I

Jacque: 10:54

have a girl y'all I have, if you hear Daisy at my feet, she's barking because she's biting my toes, and I'm kicking her all 3.6 pounds of her.

Unknown: 11:04

No, she's 3.9 now. No, no, she was 2.9

Jacque: 11:09

and then, and she's biting my toes, and it hurts. So I'm about to kick her into next week all 3.6 pounds of her, because that just hurts. Y'all,

Unknown: 11:20

she's got the goofiest bill. She looks like a baby llama, a tiny

Jacque: 11:24

little she's your dog. Well, because she does not like, I don't

Unknown: 11:28

know if I reclaim her, she looks weird. And, boy, you liked cutie. So, I mean, I'm just saying you like the cutie Bob. So it is what it is. All right, hey, are we talking about? Well, I just want to talk about some of the stuff we're going through. I've been doing a lot of skimmer injections. Joe, I want to talk to you about skimmer injections now. The number one leak that I find on swimming pools is the joint where the plastic part of the skimmer, because we're 99% gunite pulls here. That means we have a concrete shell, and then we put these plastic skimmers in, and they butt up to the concrete, and then you tile up to that plastic shell, and that's your water seal. Well, most of the leaks that I find on swimming pools because I do the legalizer. I do a legalizer. It tells me if this pool is losing water. I go. The first thing I do is I die test the skimmers, and I see if the skimmers are sucking water from where that plastic meets the gunite shell, or that tile line and or the most frequent leak I find is in that seam where the plastic meets the tile, because you get a little bit of movement on the deck, you get a little bit of movement in the pool, and you'll get a little bit of separation there. And then that's the number one leak I find, because water is escaping between that seam and the typical fix for that is you take a two part putty, or whatever putty or epoxy you want to use, and you seal that gap with this two part putty or epoxy or whatever, and that stops the water loss between that gap. So what I've started doing, or many, I don't know, probably 1015, years ago. What I started doing is I started doing skimmer injections. I found this through leaktools.com leaktools.com Great company. It's Anderson manufacturing out of Minneapolis, Minnesota. And I love these guys. I'm really, really trying to get them to get me an affiliate link or something to their website. It's leaktools.com where we can get you all a discount or whatever for body materials from them. But they have a lot of products, and one of their products is skimmer injections. Now a skimmer injection, and I'm going to post some videos here pretty quick about our skimmer injecting process and the materials we use. And we basically in the flat part of the skimmer, between where the basket sits and where the skimmer meets the tile line. There's this flat area, and we drill a hole through there, and then I mount a port. First of all, I have to drain the pool down below the skimmer. I was gonna ask you, yeah, not, not too much. No, five, six inches, typically. And with the trash pump, that takes me 1520, minutes. And then I dry that area, I clean that area, I drill a hole through that flat section, and then I mount a port over that hole, and then I inject a foam. And what this foam does it? We inject it through the bottom of the skimmer with that flat area, not down where the plumbing is. But up on the shelf, part of it, and it goes out, and it seals and it fills it. It's a foam that expands. I don't know, 40 to 150, to 110, to one, I don't know what the expansion rate is, but you inject this, this two part liquid, in there, and then it starts foaming up. And it's like a structural foam, and it will fill every little nook and gap and cranny, and eventually it will come up back through these leaks that we have at where that skimmer meets the tile. And now, after that's filled that we come we trim it up, and we'll do like a putty, where it's like an AB putty, or, I guess you could come in and mortar it if you wish. But typically putty, since we're not going to have much movement there anymore, because all the voids around that skimmer, because that skimmer is just kind of hanging on the edge of the pole, and you'll if you skim it, if you get a little bit of movement, you get some leakage there, then you'll end up with these large voids around that skimmer. So the skimmer is not supported as well as it used to be. We inject this foam, it expands greatly underground, and then eventually it squeezes itself up back through every little gap that used to be at that joint, and now that gap is fully filled from the outside in, and then it comes up into those gaps, into the skimmer throat. We let it set, typically, a couple hours, and we come in, we can trim it up, and then we put a nice, pretty little, you know, either a B putty or an epoxy seal over that joint, and that's pretty much a permanent fix. Typically, one tube, I'd say, 40 to 50% of all the pools that we do, we inject one tube of foam, and that will fill that. And these tubes are very expensive, so I think our charge is like $325 to do a skimmer injection. Because, you know, we got to drain the pool, then we got to drill the hole, we got to inject that foam, and then we got to come back, and we got to clean it up and make it all pretty, all the things we come back, we do that two part epoxy around that seam, and since that skimmer is now supported well, because that foam has expanded and filled the void, so we don't have so much weight just hanging on that skimmer. And I've only had three times where I've had to come back afterwards and that skimmer throat was leaking again, and those were issues of major movement, either from the pull or from the deck, putting all that extra weight on the skimmer, which finally pulled it away enough to where it started leaking again. But typically a little bit of movement that foam seal is going to hold well, so we can have a little bit of movement, and we still don't have leaks in that skimmer throat, but major movement. Yes, I've had three or four times where I've had to go back and once it's injected, though you cannot inject it again because you filled all the voids your your fix from that point is replacing the skimmer, if, if it leaks again. After you've done an injection, you have to replace the skimmer. Y'all, I've done hundreds and hundreds of these where we've injected the skimmer, and that was the permanent fix, and if it's permanently fixed, I don't have to deal with it anymore. It's that customer is going to be happy for many, many, many years. Sure, yeah, yeah. But all right, y'all, we got to go to a break. So let's go to break. Here's a message from a couple of our sponsors, and we'll talk to y'all in a minute. Bill, and the water is green, how much acid, how much chlorine? 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Jacque: 20:18

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Jacque: 21:14

you. Hey, friends. Welcome back to the deep end with Frank and Jackie. We're just talking about some things we're running into, things we're running into as we're getting ready for the season, because it's about time to swim, maybe a month, maybe

Unknown: 21:29

no, some people are already swimming. Yeah, I had a jump in the pool today in just my shorts, and it was not comfortable. I'm sure there's major shrinkage going on in your shorts, in my shorts, I had to jump in the pool. Did you put those shorts? They're in the dirty clothes,

Jacque: 21:47

getting everything smelling like pool. Okay, we

Unknown: 21:53

baby. Everything we own smells like pool, so but I mean, I had a jump in the pool today, and it was tolerable. I mean, if I was a horrible I wouldn't like it. If I was a 10 year old kid, no, I'd be in it. Oh yeah. I mean, being an old, fat man, maybe not. You know, it's ready, yeah, every case ready. So ready getting involved. But you know, she's not the most active child in the world. She doesn't constantly move around. She's not like, you know, hyperactive in any way, shape or form. I don't believe. Well, I take that back. If she's if she's gonna be moving around in the pool of water, probably be all right. But if she's just gonna sit still, now, ladies just laying in it and tanning or whatever. No, not yet, not yet, but, you know, that kind of brings me to a point. Okay, we just got a big deal on Ray pack heat pump chillers. And the rep came in, national rep. They, they are, these are smaller heat pump chillers, okay, very well priced, and it's made by Ray pack ream, which is a major heating and chilling manufacturer in the US. They've been around for many, many years. They're in ream. I'm sure you've heard of Reem air conditioners. This is the same company, but they come out with, these are these heater chillers, and we got a really good deal on those. We're bringing in several, and those are going to, we're going to be able to do a really good price on those. So, you know, to heat the water up just a little bit a casual, very cost efficient heating there. These are not heaters. It's going to heat the pool at Christmas when it's 40 degrees outside. These are you have a decent air temperature so you can pull some heat out of the water, out of the atmosphere, and inject it into the water and efficiently heat your pool. It's a slow heat. And then once being in North Texas, once the pool water gets a little bit too warm, you can now chill the water with this same piece of equipment. And these are little, fairly small. They're like a big old suitcase heat pumps that can go next to your equipment pad. And you can the ones we're bringing in are for 10,000 gallons. But you can do you can do two, you can do three, whatever you need to do to equal what your pull requirements are, and and they're only, like 20 amp. They're, you know, pretty inexpensive installation. But we're bringing those in because, you know, last year, I don't know if you remember, on the DFW pull owner group, there's a lot of people asking about chillers and chillers and chillers. And y'all, boy, I'm about throw a business. I'm about to a company under the under the bus here, uh oh, uh, Glacier chillers. We've installed them for years and and. It's like the quality assurance has just gone to crap. They have just fallen off the cliff. We get these units, we we install them, and there's several pieces internally that are broke, and now it takes a few weeks to get parts. They don't answer their phone. The support is not really good. So glacier chillers, come on now. No shame on you. Yeah, shame on you. You had a really good chance here to really dominate the market in chillers. Now these are evaporative coolers. They and there's a difference between a heat pump chiller and an evaporative chiller, a heat pump chiller, basically takes heat from the atmosphere, transfers it by the use of Freon, or whatever the new product is that they use in air conditioning. But the expansion and contraction of this material, it takes heat from the atmosphere and transfers it to the water. So if you have a any heat in the atmosphere, I mean, I'm talking, you know, 45 degrees and above, you can take some of that heat, transfer it to the water and heat when warm your water, and it can warm it much warmer than what the atmosphere is. Okay? It's a very efficient process, and it's very cost effective as far as energy consumption. So I really like heat pump chillers typically, though the cost of those is little prohibitive going into it, but now that we got this, we've got this great deal with ream or Ray pack. Ray pack is actually the brand of the units that we're using the it's a extremely cost effective way to heat and chill your pool. Now, again, these are not going to get you swimming in your hot tub when it's freaking 40 degrees outside. These are very passive heating systems that can raise your temperature. And these are inverter heat pumps. And I want to kind of put it, you know, I kind of want to discuss what an inverter is, an inverter heat I was gonna ask, yeah, you know, we're really big on variable speed pumps right now, right? You know, because they're so efficient. All right, what an inverter heat pump can do is it can change the speed at which it runs to maintain heat, because typically, our old style air conditioners and heating systems they you know, your temperature drops to a certain point. They kick on, they run at one speed and put all the energy they can into either raising the temperature or lowering the temperature. And once they reach that temperature demand that you've set within it, they shut down. Well, what an inverter does? It can run at variable speeds. So instead of it letting it cool off, and then it kicks on at a full speed until it reaches a temperature, then it kicks off, and then it kicks on once it drops to a certain temperature or raises to a certain certain temperature to achieve that desired temperature, what it what it will do is It will run at a lower speed to constantly maintain that temperature, and like we've learned on variable speed pumps for swimming pools, when you run at these lower speeds, they're extremely efficient. So these inverter heat pumps, they can run at these lower speeds, be extremely efficient and save you a lot of energy and cost on your electric bill to maintain this water temperature, because it's instead of it running at 100% when it kicks on, it may be running at 30 or 40% to maintain just constantly run instead off, on, off, on, off, on, it just runs at a lower speed to constantly maintain that. And that's extremely efficient. So, you know, I think we're gonna go ahead and take an earlier break. 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Unknown: 30:53

Why should you skim? Why you hire a pro and stay off that limb? So take a dive. End.

Jacque: 31:06

Hey friends, welcome back to the deep end with Frank and Jackie. We're talking about just some things that we're seeing in the field as we get ready for swim. And

Unknown: 31:16

yeah, one of the things I want to talk about is, you know, if y'all these safety nets, the safety nets they have, like, three inch holes, and I love these things. I mean, they're extremely safe, but what we're running into is clients that want us to pull these safety nets off every service, service the pool, and then put these safety nets back on, and that's that takes time, and time costs money. Time is money, y'all, when we have to compensate an employee to take this cover off, and it's it's only 1015, minutes, but their average pool with during the day is taking them 3045, minutes, where we're taking 1015 minutes to take it off, we're taking 1015 minutes to put it back on. That's another pool service, yeah, so we have to charge for that time. So, I mean, I like the safety nets, and if you're, you know, a stay at home mom, or you're a stay at home dad, and you take your kids out and you always have the safety net over your pool. You know, I don't want to encourage you, hey, to save a little bit of money just leave it open on service day, because that leaves your pool at risk. So you know what? If you're going to have a cover like that, either expect to pay more for your service, to have to pull that cover off and then brush the pull, vacuum the pool, do everything that needs to be done for a pool, and then put that cover back on. You can expect to have to pay an extra, you know, 1015, 20, $25, per week. Yeah, two for that service thing. But it really is. So if you're considering getting a safety net, which are extremely safe, Oh, I'm not beating up the safety net. Safety nets are extremely safe, to my knowledge. And this was pitched to me, and I've never heard anything different. Any safety net that is a proper safety net that was built, that was constructed and designed and stretched and installed to ASTM standards is 100% effective. There's never been a drowning occur on a safety net. But if you're having a service take care of that, you know what? You might be better served by having a safety fence. Yeah, a removable safety fence. A removal safety fences are great. They have self closing gates, where, if you walk through them, and you open them, and they will automatically from about four to six inches away, they will latch and close. And their handles are high enough to where you cannot pick you know, get into the pool area. They always need to be open outward. Never open inward. We've talked about that before, because kids will walk up and they'll push, and if it isn't latched, they'll push it open, and they can walk on into the pool area. But if you're considering a safety net, and there's a lot of them out there, but you might want to consider a safety fence. If

Jacque: 34:46

you have a pool service, if you have a pool service, and

Unknown: 34:51

you can fence it off, you don't have to fence all the way around the pool. A lot of times you can fence off a section of the yard where the pool is. And minimize the amount of fenced area that is on the other side of the fence. But these safety nets are kind of they're kind of a pain in the butt,

Jacque: 35:13

the safety first, but whatever works for you. Yes,

Unknown: 35:17

you need to weigh everything. Okay, yes, you want extreme safety for your kid, but, or if you're going to be hiring a service to take care of your pool, then are you willing to pay an extra 1520, bucks a week for the net removal so they can properly clean the pool? Or maybe you can get a lower in service to where you're taking care of the brushing and netting in your service. You know, if chemistry is your issue, you just don't want to screw up the chemistry, but you were willing to get out there on a weekly basis yourself and remove that safety net, brush vacuum, do everything that needs to be or if you got a robotic the vacuum may not be an issue for you, right? But you still need to brush. You still need to brush you still. There's still a few things you need to check off on your list of managing your pool. What are the five things? They are? One, brushing, two, removal of debris. Three, filtration, four, circulation and five, it's chemistry. If the first four, if you're letting any of those go, it's going to cost you more chemistry. And the best thing is to check all those boxes in there. Chemistry is much easier. It's much, much more stable, it's less expensive. So just keep that in mind if you're considering all right, I need a barrier for my pool because I have small children. Okay, do you want to do a safety fence? Or do you want to do a safety net? And I, and the only reason I bring that up because we have a couple clients right now that have safety nets, and it's just killing our guys, yeah, and that's basically two pools worth the service that they're spending on this one pull. So, y'all, we got to charge more. Yeah. Pool guys are no longer because things have gotten so, so precise and so much more professional in the pool industry. They're no longer, you know, just any o do. It's guys that are certified. It's guys that you know, really put, need to put a lot of effort and thought in testing and proper calculations, into dosing. It's, it's, it's not just, you know, any old dude that that doesn't have anything else to do, the industry is becoming much, much, much more professional, and their time is valuable. So you know, if you don't want to pay the extra wages, then you need to be able to take on that, those extra responsibilities yourself and maybe reduce your level of service. That I just want to break that up, because that's come up a few times the last few weeks.

Jacque: 38:05

Yeah, taking them on, taking them on, taking them off.

Unknown: 38:08

It's and we're installing a lot of

Jacque: 38:11

fences as well. Yes,

Unknown: 38:12

yeah. So maybe consider a fence. If you're considering a safety net, consider a fence, because properly installed safety fences are also extremely effective in drowning prevention. Safety nets are extremely effective in drowning prevention. And I understand people. You know your yard, whatever it may not be the best situation where you have to completely wall off part of your yard with the safety fence, but just know, if you do have a service, that's probably going to cost you extra money, and it may not, it may be to the point that it's not cost effective for you to have that safety and have a service. But all right, and that's all I pretty much want to talk about today. So and we'll have more

Jacque: 39:01

of these as we go day by day, and our guys are out there, and there are things that come up as we get ready for this season that's going to be so fabulous. 2025 swim season. Yeah, there are maybe some more stuff next week. And

Unknown: 39:17

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Jacque: 40:56

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Unknown: 41:00

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Russel Ownens: 42:31

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