ep175 CYA Levels & Pool Sanitation | Algae, Pathogens, Pool Health Tips | The Deep End Pool Podcast

In this episode of The Deep End Pool Podcast, Frank and Jacque dive deep into CYA (Cyanuric Acid) and its impact on pool sanitation, water chemistry, and algae control. Frank explains how proper chlorine and CYA levels can help kill algae before it takes over your pool, and why managing stabilizer levels is crucial for pool health. They also share a funny story about Easter pool adventures and the importance of sanitizer in keeping your pool clean and safe. Tune in for tips, tricks, and fun anecdotes that every pool owner and pro will enjoy.

Timeline/Chapters:

0:00 - Intro & Funny Pool Stories
3:30 - What is CYA (Cyanuric Acid)?
7:10 - How CYA Affects Pool Chemistry and Chlorine
11:45 - The Importance of Chlorine & CYA Ratio for Algae Control
14:30 - How CYA Protects Chlorine from UV Degradation
17:50 - Why You Need to Monitor Stabilizer Levels
20:00 - How to Lower CYA in Pools (Including Product Recommendations)
24:30 - Green Pools and Pathogens: Why Sanitizer is Key
27:40 - Pool Maintenance Tips: Managing CYA & Algae
31:00 - Easter Pool Adventures & Poolside Laughs
34:15 - Quick Leak Detection Tip: Stabilizer in Your Yard Puddle
37:30 - Conclusion & Upcoming Topics

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Welcome to the deep end pool podcast for pool owners and the swimming pool service professional. All of our sponsors are brands that we know, trust and use in our own business. We are brought to you by pool works for healthy pool people. That's pool works.com pool W, E, R x.com, if there isn't a pool works near you, become the pool works near you. Special thanks to blu ray XL, the best pool mineral purification. System in the industry, Blu ray all day. Fluidra and their many brands, including candy pool equipment and Polaris the most advanced automatic pool cleaners in the industry, Cyclone filter tools, save time, save water and save your back all save pool, fence nets and pool covers over 25 years of providing the best equipment to secure pool areas, saving the lives of children and pet clear comfort a patented hydroxyl based water treatment system, the future of water treatment and our friends in IPSA, independent Pool and Spa Service Association, improving the industry through community education and support. The Deep End pool podcast focuses on residential pool maintenance and may not cover commercial pool commercial pool requirements. Please consult the CDC and your local authorities and code requirements for commercial pool maintenance. Now let's solve some pool problems with your host, Frank and Jackie Disher. This week's episode, we're gonna be talking about CYA, stabilizer, conditioner, cyanuric acid. We'll talk about all four of those things, some tips and tricks, and how it can even indicate some things that are going on in your pool. And we talked about how green water, I've been diving in a lot of green water, and how it isn't the green it isn't the algae that makes you sick, but if you got algae present, boy, that may be an indication that germs are and other pathogens could be living there. So here we go. You the pools are mess and the water is green, how much acid, how much chlorine you tested the water. But what does it mean? Take a dive into the deep end. Hey friends, welcome to the deep end with and Jackie his side kick in life and on the air. Emphasis on side kick. Yes, we had, because we had a listener approach me. Said, wow, is your wife really a psychic? I'm like, what? Yeah, your wife's a psychic. That that's kind of cool. And I'm like, she's not a psychic. I mean, she reads my mind, but I don't think she's a psychic, and I do not read your mind, but it's she says, side kick, side kick. So, So, anybody that has ever wondered I'm not a psychic? No, I don't believe in thing. How many fingers am I holding it? Y'all, but, but if, but if you need some, you know, some intervention. Y'all message us down below, and we'll pray for you. But I'll let you know what I'm praying about. I'm just saying, oh my gosh, she's not a psychic. No, I'm not a psychic. I'm a side kick. So I'm going to enunciate better. Yeah, exactly. So we had a crazy week. Easter was not what we planned. No, we were gonna have everyone over my mama ever. And day by day, people got sick, yep, and then we got but, but it was good for us, because then we got sick over the weekend. Well, we we had what? One baby with hoof and mouth disease, or No Hand, Foot and Mouth, that's a, is that? Oh, that's a greater that's a moo, moo thing. That's not a baby, moo, moo. I think it's a cow. No, it was a horse. Neither psychics nor veterinarians don't even know what I deal with daily. Y'all, y'all, please pray for me. You don't even know. You don't even know. And I'm gonna tell you, this is our third fourth recording, because he didn't push record, I don't even know. And this is our 175th episode. Bless his little heart. Me, darling, 175 most precious, 175 and we've survived this. But this is on our second video, so and we hope y'all like the videos of something we're switching to the first one you told me prior to, and I still don't look fabulous, y'all, it is what it is. So here's what you can expect. Is in the beholder. So one day, if I look really pretty, y'all, please. Give a thumbs up. Hey, yeah. Speaking of that happens, speaking of yo Hey. Give us some comments, give us some likes, give us some subscribes and follows. It really helps the channel. Yeah, whether you're watching or whether you're listening, yeah, and I don't know, I still don't know what's going on with Spotify. Y'all Spotify hates me. No. Spotify is a very strong word. They are anti frankites. They they just can't get us posted. I don't what it is. I've done everything I can do, but here we be on YouTube. Yeah, check us out on YouTube. Here we are. So Easter happened? Um, we got a, I had an MRI this week that totally stunk y'all. It was like a big old honking two and a half hour. IV, all the thing crap. I just say crap, but it is what is but. And then we scheduled, we scheduled a fabulous vacation. I say fabulous. It's four days in Galveston. Y'all on these but every single one of our babies and grandkids and grandkids, four kids and spouses, four grand babies and so and my mama, we're all going to be in one house. We rented this like big old honking, and we got it scheduled. And what did Parker say today? Called him and when they said yes, and my daughter says, well, so I told Parker, hey, we're going to go spend the weekend. We're going to Galveston for four days in July, Hoopa and the whole family. She goes, y'all, y'all going. She's like, yes, Yaya is going, Oh, okay, she was very concerned. I don't matter. Y'all, I don't think is the big thing, but it made my heart another thing we had to do this week, probably the reason I was sick last week, because I had to get in another green pool. And y'all, you should be immune the crack that you dive into, I'm just you should never be, you would think. And the reason a green pool can make you sick, and it's not that algae is necessarily makes you sick or poisonous or anything like that. It's just, if you don't have sanitizer in there. And if a pool is leaking really bad, it may not be circulating, because it's, you know, the water levels have dropped too low, and there's just a lot of things that can go on, gross, yeah. But the reason a green pool can be bad is not the algae. It's just, if you're not killing algae, what else are you not killing? Because it's typically easier to kill most germs, bugs, all that stuff that birds fly in with. Ducks you got ducks are coming in, pooping all kinds of little microbes into your pool, and birds are flying in, bugs are flying in, dropping little amoebas and all that stuff. So typically, yeah, that's where a person can get sick from a pool, is when sanitizer levels are not good enough to kill or high enough to kill germs, bacteria, viruses, all this other stuff that can get in your pool. So it's not just critters. It's like, if a kid, if you Well, one kid goes in sharks in the pool. I think you can say sharks I don't. I don't. I do not think shart is on the prohibited it might be. I don't even so well remember, last summer we did Shark Week. So if we did, we did Shark Week. So yeah, we talked about all the, all the, all the things that can happen from the pool. What you do do is go in. Yes, do do, or they do do, but anyway, but, and that's where the nasty stuff comes from, the doo. Doo, like one kid gets in his pool, it gets in the pool and he shorts. Or one kid gets in the pool and he doesn't do a really good job cleaning himself in his nether regions. Or adults too. I mean, I've been in locker rooms. I've been in locker rooms, guys. Seriously, y'all need to get a mirror or something, because there's stuff going on a mirror, mirror, because y'all need to be checking some things out, because it ain't right. But, you know, but you carry that into the pool, and there's so many bad things living poo, so if it's living in the poo, and it gets into the water, and you don't have any sanitizers that can kill it, then you can ingest it, and that's where you get sick. But 90 are the vast majority of things in pull water that can make you sick that have been introduced by other. Things and peoples is easily killed by chlorine, and typically it's much easier to kill that stuff than it is to kill algae. So in most cases, if you're killing the algae, you're killing all the other stuff in that come from the doo, doo and everywhere else that can make you sick. So, I mean, there's, there is some exceptions, like that round worm that comes in, Raccoon poo. You know, everybody's like, Oh, raccoons are so they're so clean, they sit there and they wash the food before they eat it, and then they'll poop right there where they're washing their hands. Is this episode titled poop, all about the poo. It's poolicious, but, but raccoon, that round worm, you cannot kill that with chlorine. So if you ever see raccoon poo on your tanning ledge, because that's what they like to do, how do you know what it looks like? It's no, I'm just saying it's got really dark circles around so how do you know? No, I'm just saying I don't know what else is going to poo on your tanning ledge, because raccoons poo in the water, and they do that to hide their scent. Who knows that? Besides you, nobody knows that. Sorry. But anyway, if you know your poo, if you're confident you got raccoon poop, round worm is deadly. There is no cure for it. If you ingest that round round worm larva, and it goes through your system, and it gets into your bloodstream and into your brain. You are an ex person, so it there's no cure for it. Seriously, seriously, it's that bad. Oh, so you don't want no raccoon poo in your pool. So if that ever happens, this is not even the subject we were going to say, what are we talking if you get raccoon poo in your pool, the only way to get it out is to filter it out. So, you know, you scoop up the poo as best you can, but then you need to run your filter for quite a long time make sure you're brushing really well. Nobody gets many, many, many turnovers to make sure that that gets drawn in through your filter. I mean, because even at five turnovers in a perfectly circulated pool, you're only going to filter about 95% of your water. So I mean, I would go 5678, 1015, turnovers if you've had raccoon poo in your pool, to make sure you got it filtered out, and that's with good brushing sanitizer. Really ain't going to make no difference on this larva, but it does make a huge different difference on many, many, many other pathogens and amoebas and things like that. But that ain't our subject, that she went on a tangent. I know that's very odd. I know that just not really, really, what are we talking about today? Really, really, besides, do you do besides, besides the doo. Doo topic, the short week. Yeah, if y'all didn't catch that episode, we had Shark Week back in the summer. We do it same week. That was it. The Discovery Channel does Shark Week. We do Shark Week, and we talk all about, you know, the poo and, and you just did, and, yeah, I kind of just charted the week. So there we go. All right, so what we be talking about tonight, sorry, a couple things we're gonna be talking about is a couple things with cya. And the second one is going to kind of lead us into our last topic. The first thing, you know, people say, Hey, if you're going to be, you know, if you get CYA, levels get really high, that cyanuric acid, stabilizer, conditioner, whatever your choice of words for it are today, cya. I say cya because it comes out so smooth, because I my tongue is fat and I things don't sound real quick. So I say CYA, no comment. So cya, if you saw cya levels get too high, and remember, my whole mouth, my whole sanitation thing is based on a percentage of chlorine, or a percentage of your Cya in free chlorine. If you don't have borates in the water, it's seven and a half percent of your cya is where you need to keep a constant residual of chlorine. And so like, if your cya is 50 parts per million. Seven and a half percent of 50 is 3.75 that 3.75 is that magic number. Bob Lowery taught me this, and he you know, God bless him, the Great Lake. Bob Lowry, seven and a half percent of your cya is where you need to maintain chlorine to kill algae faster than. It multiplies. And again, if you're killing algae, really good chance you're killing all the germs and pathogens and all that stuff too. But with borates, it's 5% of the sea. Why? So Cy is very important to me and and I mean, it's important to have some in the pool because it protects your water from UV rays or your chlorine from UV rays. And if you don't have any CYA, your chlorine is going to burn up really quick. You're not gonna be able to keep enough chlorine in your pool. So with, if you're if you're using the numbers seven and a half percent or 5% if you're a boy, pull of your CYA, and that's where you're maintaining your chlorine on a consistent basis with a good pH. I want to emphasize that you can't be running in there with the pH of 8.3 and think you get the same results. You got to have a decent pH somewhere between 7.3 7.7 7.8 is not that bad, but you don't want to go crazy with the pH, or it takes a lot more chlorine. So 7% of your Cy, or 5% if you're a bore aptible, will kill algae faster than it can multiply, and as long as you're circulating. Well, you listen to Frank, you got rid of all them dead spots. Your water chemistry is consistent from point to point to point to point to point. Then you're going to have a pretty much algae free pool. Remember, we can never keep algae from getting in our pool, but we can kill it faster than it multiplies, because algae without sanitizer, proper levels of sanitizer, algae numbers can double every three to four hours, right? So a little wind comes by, or big wind comes by, duck lands in your pool, whatever introduces a million algae spores. So that sounds like a lot, but that's really not that much algae, because they're itty bitty, bitty, bitty fellas. So you that that gets introduced in your pool. Well, if you don't have enough sanitizer in there to kill that algae faster, and it multiplies 1 million, alright, every three to four hours, 1 million goes, 2,000,002 goes four, four goes eight, eight goes 1616, goes, 3264 128 256 look at you. 512, I can keep going. 1024, 2096 I could keep going. 2048 I done went messed up, alright. But anyway you got you gotta keep but that's how your pool goes from pretty blue today to green tomorrow. Is because it double double double double double double double. So we gotta have that proper level sanitizer to kill that algae faster than it multiplies, or you're going to be dealing with algae and you got to have good circulation. Got to have good filtration and good pH. Without the good pH, your chlorine is much less effective, so may take a higher percentage of chlorine to see why, but with the good pH, seven and a half percent is going to kill that algae faster and multiply. Now we're going to go to a break. We're going to a break, and if you're on the video, we may have a couple commercials slammed in there. We're still working on those commercials. Sorry guys, but if you're on the audio version, here's our sponsors. You're gonna hear from maker of Jandy Polaris, great products. You're gonna hear from blu ray XL. You're gonna hear from See you later. Metal eliminator and metal remover. Love it. And you're also going to hear from cyclone filter tools. 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I know. And why am I ever surprised? I don't even know. So next thing I want to talk about, cya, yeah. And after that, we're going to get into some leak detection stuff just briefly. But see why y'all, if you do have Cy the way you you know a lot of people, there are other ways to remove it. There's one product out there called Green story global. I like the product. I've tested the product. I've used the product on probably 200 pools now, yeah, and it works. I know it gets a lot of bad reviews, but all I can assume is people aren't following the directions you gotta you gotta have long filter cycles. You gotta have good flow in the skimmer that you put the product in, or it's not going to do its best. We've never had it not work. Now. It works a lot faster in some pools than it does in others, but it always works. We've dropped pools from 190 200 once you get that high, it's really hard to judge what the actual number is, but we've dropped pools from 190 to around 200 parts from per million in just three to four weeks. We've dropped them down to 6070, parts per million using green story, global Cy every remover. Now we have other pools where we just can't get good flow in the skimmer and the people refuse to run longer filter cycles. We may only get 510, parts per million per week drop, but it still drops. And when you're trying to remove stabilizer, how about you stop adding stabilizer. Stop using stabilized chlorine when you're trying to remove your stabilizer, the most popular, popular notice that I emphasized on the uh pop, the U popular pop, but All right, so if the last I put the emphasis on the wrong syllable, but if the most popular way to get stabilizer out of the water is to drain part of the water. And a lot of times, I mean, if you got it high enough to drain, you probably need to drain half your pool, typically. And what you'll find, and what we find, and people say, stabilizer can't stick to the walls or anything like that. But. Man, I don't have a better explanation for it, because when we drain pools, we've completely drained pools that had high stabilizer right, refilled them, and then we would get a stabilizer. Within a week, the stabilizer would climb back up to 6070, parts per million. So that only tells me it was sitting or it was attached to the plaster or inside the plumbing. It was somewhere. We've even pressurized or pressurized we've even pressure washed pools After draining them, and still got a high stabilizer level back, not a high but we got 20, 3040, parts per minute, even after pressure washing. So I don't know where the stabilizer is hiding when we drain the pool, but it's coming back. So if you just drain half you that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to drop your stabilizer levels by half. You may only drop it by a third. So if you're trying to get a lot drain more than you need. Y'all, it don't hurt to drain your water. Now, you got to be very, very, very careful draining pools. And there are drain rates that there, there's apps or not apps, but websites you can go they'll say how much you need to overflow your pool to accomplish the proper amount of stabilizer drop. But you got to be real careful draining a pool, because they can float, you can damage your pool. So just be extremely careful with that. But that stabilizer drop in, typically, you got to rebalance the water. You got to get your pH right, your alkalinity right, get your calcium levels right, do all that stuff. Gets chlorine levels back up, and make sure you got now you got enough stabilizer at least 30 parts per million is what I'd recommend. Where you start, and then you can start using your stabilized chlorine. But if you'll manage your pool well and do like we do, if like, if you use borates, you're going to use, let use less chlorine if you use borate. So that means you're adding less tabs. So less tabs, because those tabs are 50% stabilizer. Once stabilizer goes into water, it stays in the water. So if you, when you're adding those tabs or add a little bit of stabilizer, you add one pound of tab, you're adding a half pound of stabilizer, all right. So if you are adding less tabs, you're adding less stabilizer. So your levels will climb less during the summer, when you're using a lot of tabs. And then our what we do that really, really works for us. As soon as the water temperature gets below 70 degrees, we will not use stabilized chlorine anymore, until our water temperatures get back up in the mid 60s. So we'll just use liquid chlorine to kind of super chlorinate the pool once a week, once every other week to wipe out anything that got in there, because algae goes dormant. So it's not multiplying Double, double, double, double, double. We just have to wipe out what got in there over the last week or two. So spike up to six, seven parts per million with a good liquid chlorine dose. Or you can use a cow hypo dose, whatever you choose, and that will wipe everything out. And then you're good to go. Well, while we're doing that with rains and everything else, our stabilizer levels will slowly drop over the winter, and what we typically see is a 30 to 40 part per million drop over the winter. What we typically see in climb, because we're using boys, is a 30 to 40 part per million climb in the summer. So we'll start this summer or spring. We'll start off around 3040, parts per man. We'll climb up 60, 7080, parts per man, and then we'll drop back down to 3040, parts per million in the spring. And we never have to drain our pools. Or rarely there are, there is the rare occasion. But I know pull guys out there. They ever when they sign somebody up, they tell them, You're gonna drain half your pool every year because of stabilizer. Stabilizer is a bad thing, dang. Right, it's a bad thing. It can be a bad thing. It's necessary, but it can be a bad thing. So here's a thought, if you're having to do that, maybe you need to manage your pools a little bit different, so they don't have to drain half their pool every year, because that's that's wasteful, all right? Another cool thing about stabilizer, people say when you do drain your pool and lower your stabilizer, you need to drain it from the surface, just just below the surface, because that's where your stabilizer is concentrated. Wrong. That's wrong. They cannot be much more wrong. Stabilizer, cyanoic acid in your water, is equally distributed throughout the entire body of water, depth, height, side to side. It's everywhere. It's if you if that pool is well circulated or circulated at all and been turned over enough times and fully mixed, your stabilizer levels in this sample over there at three feet down is going to be the same as over here at three inches down. It doesn't matter the stable. Is equally distributed through the water, please. If you're one of the people telling people that stop, stop, because you're telling them wrong, and that just makes you wrong and, and I'm sorry, I just don't like it no more. So you can just deal with it all right. Another thing about stabilizer, another thing about stabilizer, if you, if you like, say you think you're losing water and you're having a wet spot in your yard. You're not sure if it's your pool, or you're not sure if it's your sprinkler system, or maybe the neighbor sprinkler system, and but in you can dig a hole and you can get that water to puddle, and now it can't be muddy puddle, but you know, if you let it sit, it should clear out, you should be able to test that water. And if it has stabilizer or Cya in it, then that's pool water, sprinkler water, tap water, any other water, lake water, no other water, no other water is going to have stabilizer or any measurable amounts of cyanoic acid in it. So if you got a little puddle, and you're like, man, is that my pool? I kind of feel like my pool is losing a little bit of extra water. Typically, you can test that water and you'll find a stabilizer. If there's stabilizer, high stabilizer in your pool, 50, 6070, parts per million, you're going to get some stabilizer in that water sample in the puddle you're testing. So that's a really good, quick way. Now it ain't going to tell you where the leak is, but it's definitely going to tell you, whoops, that is pool water. Where did it come from? Now, if it's your overflow in your pool, because you're overflowing your pool, because your auto fills off, or you just left the hose running, now you got a puddle in your yard, okay, it's going to have stabilizer in it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you you have a leak, and it can happen rarely, though, is been my experience where it doesn't test for stabilizer, but it is still pulling. But if you test it for stabilizer, and it shows stabilizer that's pulling, no, no two ways about it that's pulling. So that you know what, we were going to talk about a few more things, but I think we're going to save it. I think we're going to save it and we're gonna use it on the next time. Yeah. So, so this, this episode was all about poo and stabilizer. So I hope it helps you guys, give you a little bit of better understanding. 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