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CYA, Algae, and Why You Run Your Pump During The Day – Pool Chemistry Tips You Need Now! | Ep 179

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In Episode 179, Frank and Jacque are back from Alaska and diving into pool chemistry truths that matter right now. From the hidden dangers of high CYA levels to understanding why daytime pump runtime is critical—and even a deep dive into how algae behaves (and eats copper!)—this episode is packed with essential tips for keeping your pool clear, efficient, and trouble-free.
 Plus, learn how to use GreenStory Global to lower CYA without draining, and hear why plaster damage from swampy pools happens more than you think. Get the latest seasonal advice just in time for Memorial Day.

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00:00 Intro & Return from Alaska
01:30 Cruise Highlights & Bear Stories
08:42 CYA – Why It's So High in Spring
10:12 GreenStory Global for CYA Removal
13:40 Should You Run Pumps at Night?
17:00 Sponsor Break
20:40 Water Is Heating Up—Time for Chemistry Control
23:30 How Algae Can Affect pH                                                                                        28:10 Copper, Algae, and Why Your Levels Disappear
30:00 Phosphates Hidden in Algae
32:39 Flocking Pools with Alum – Does It Work?
35:20 Black Algae Truths & Rudy Stankowitz’s Research
36:50 Final Thoughts & Memorial Day Message The Deep End Pool Podcast focuses on residential pool maintenance and may not cover commercial pool requirements. Please consult the CDC and local authorities and code requirements for commercial pool maintenance.

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Today in Episode 179 where we just got back from Alaska, we're going to talk a little bit about our trip. We talking more about CYA, why you should run your pump when the sun and the heat of the day is on the pool. And we're also going to discuss some algae, some interesting facts about algae that may help you combat it. Now let's learn some pull stuff. Welcome

Russel Ownens:

to the deep end pool podcast for pool owners and the swimming pool service professional. All of our sponsors are brands that we know, trust and use in our own business. We are brought to you by pool works for healthy pool people. That's poolworks.com pool W, E R x.com, if there isn't a pool works near you, become the pool works near you. Special thanks to blu ray XL, the best pool mineral purification system in the industry, Blu ray all day. Blue Idra and their many brands, including candy pool equipment and Polaris the most advanced automatic pool cleaners in the industry, Cyclone filter tools, save time, save water and save your back deep end pool. Podcast focuses on residential pool maintenance and may not cover commercial pool requirements. Please consult the CDC and your local authorities and code requirements for commercial pool maintenance. Now let's solve some cool problems with your host, Frank and Jackie Disher, Hey

Jacque:

friends, welcome to the deep end with Frank and Jackie his sidekick and life and on the air. We're here this week. Gonna bring you some good point. You've got some. Yeah, no, we want to talk

Unknown:

a little bit about little bit about Alaska. We went up to Alaska, saw some buyers. You're just gonna go right into that. We had a really good trip. It was a nice cruise. We love Alaska.

Jacque:

Juneau. We thought we were one and done. Yeah? You were like, Yeah, okay, I'll do last frontier, all the things. And I was the same. I was kind of like, okay, and now we're go, when can we go back and go see the

Unknown:

other places that's that's going to be a revisit. I kept

Jacque:

saying it was spectacular, stunning. And I was describing it to my mom, who has been to Alaska, I don't know, 5678, times with my daddy, and that was one of their favorite places. And she was like we always said, it was majestic, majestic. And I feel like the things we saw just on our balcony, and, you know, little icebergs and little critters on it was

Unknown:

Yeah. It was Yeah. I don't know where else you could

Jacque:

see my word. It was so beautiful. We got

Unknown:

pretty close to some bears, but they were cage bears. And you know, that was my close to bear. We were 15 feet from bears, but they were in a wall.

Jacque:

I say, closes like you. No,

Unknown:

no, no, I wasn't arrested. Yeah, I wore a shirt on this trip where we were seeing the bears. Wore a shirt that said, if I died choking on a gummy bear, just say I was killed by a bear and say no more. But you know, and this kind of off track, but it reminds me of a story back way back when I drove my daughter's U haul. She moved to Seattle while her husband was doing his residency at the University of Washington, and from Texas to Seattle. And I told her, I'll drive to U haul, but I get to go the way I want. And I went with my brother in law, and we went and get to see whatever you Yeah, all these places always wanted to see because I used to didn't get to travel much, so I chose Glacier National Park. And we get up there, we get up to Glacier National Park. It's late, late June. They still got like three feet of snow in the mountain. We're trudging through this. We're on closed paths and all this. But we started with a group that had about 10 people in it, and one of them was a lady and her, like, seven year old boy and maybe a six year old girl, and they're walking along, and there's like, three or four, just single guys, just batching it, you know. And we were hoping to see some animals. Well, these kids were covered in bells from head to toe, and it was really aggregate, just like jingle, jingle, jingle, they we sounded like us freaking Christmas sleigh coming into town, because these kids are just jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle, why? And well, one of the guys asked her, and we had a ranger with us, a Rangers walking along. And one of the guys asked his lady, you know, we're trying to see some animals. Wow, the why all the bells? And she said, Well, you know it's so if there's any bears, they'll hear us coming and they'll leave. And few minutes later, yeah, that you know the bears know you're there. Walking up and scaring a bear is supposedly the worst thing you can do. So you want to, you want them to know you're coming, so you don't surprise them. A few minutes later, the Ranger said, Hey, guys, be looking around if you see any bear scat, which means poop. If you see any bear scat, let me know, because we know we got bears up in the mountain because we had a big landslide, and can. A lot of goats, and the bears are coming in to eat all the goats. So if you see any bear scat, let me know. Because you know we need to know. We need to shut off this area, and we need to get out of here. And the lady said, Well, how do you know if it's bear scat? And one of the guys that was aggravated with the bells looks at her and goes, because it has bells in it. That's funny that. That's not right. No, that was funny that. And she just looked at him. First, she didn't know what to make of it, then she just gave him an evil eye, and we just kept walking. What did we learn? Brown Bear. No. Black Bear. Black if it's black, fight back if it's brown, lie down and play dead, yeah? And if it's white, say good night, good night. Because you out, yeah, because polar bears don't care. Now, polar bears were mean and hateful, and they're the biggest bear.

Jacque:

They're huge, y'all so and supposedly you're

Unknown:

out, yeah, they run into a polar bear, you just say goodnight. All of the courts

Jacque:

we went to were like, oh, polar bear, forget it. You're You're out. So

Unknown:

everybody told the same story, and

Jacque:

we why is there not a movie on polar bear? We've had,

Unknown:

I've watched quite a few documentaries on polar bears, and they were, they fear nothing. They're so cute. But welcome to bear talk. But we saw otters. We had, we did. I'm gonna post the full, the full video of the train we did. The was, what's it called, The White Pass train. And I had my GoPro, and I'm gonna post that entire video where page, I'll start a travel

Jacque:

I'm scared of hots. So there were. I was so proud of myself for doing it. There was like five to seven minutes that Frank was like, look over, look over. I

Unknown:

was like, it's a beautiful ride, literally,

Jacque:

but I thought I did really well because it was about an hour and a half ride, and

Unknown:

that was out of Skagway. Skagway. Skagway was the white pass. Then in Juneau, we saw a glacier. We went to a glacier, and then we saw killer whales, killer whales, y'all, which they said, it's pretty rare you don't see them. That often

Jacque:

you don't see them. And there was a part of them, yeah. It was

Unknown:

like seven of them, yeah. But, and we saw a lot of gray whales, a lot of humpback, humpback. So it was the most, yeah, it was, it was a great trip. So if you can do Alaska, go do

Jacque:

Yeah, it was a great trip. So we were gone for a week. We got back.

Unknown:

I'm in my work clothes. I know I always wear this shirt, but this one's sweaty and stinky.

Jacque:

I'm in my my sweater and no makeup because, you know height, I'm

Unknown:

not wearing my boot. Tore my calf muscle. I'm having to wear a boot probably for about a week, week and a half, not went on the trip. I did it the day after we got back, thank God, because we there's a lot of things we want to do, hiked, we walked, we did all we did a lot of stuff, yeah, how many

Jacque:

steps? Who knows? And then the day after he gets back, he's moving

Unknown:

toward my calf, but I got some big old calves anyway, so they could turn a football player. Yes, I could take it. I could take a little ripping. But, yeah, it's back. Everything's going full bore flower mounds or new stores that's coming, that's come along really well. Can

Jacque:

I just say real quick, Dallas Stars? Well,

Unknown:

we'll see. They're not there yet.

Jacque:

They won Game one.

Unknown:

I know they're not there, and this is only the semi finals,

Jacque:

and this, I know when they're playing Edmonton, so. But I mean, they've been, this is the third year in a row to the conference finals, to go to the Stanley Cup. Yeah, so and, but they're one, and I hate they won the first game. It was a ridiculous comeback.

Unknown:

Let's get going. So this thing don't go on too long. A couple things I want to talk about. The one is cya keeps getting brought up. People with high CYA, they're finally testing their water going into the spring or because or they're taking it in somewhere to get it tested, because they're doing everything they normally do, but this now it ain't working, and they're taking their water in somewhere finally, and because their pool is green, and they're finding out they have cya levels of 150 170 because they want to start swimming. And last year, you know, they probably tabbed all winter. Guys, listen to me on this stuff, please. You'll have so fewer problems. But they, you know, these people, they tab all winter, they tab all summer. And you they may have started off last year with 30 parts per man, got up to 7080, 90 by the end of summer, kept tabbing all winter, and you know, just tab, tab, tab, tab, tab. And now, you know, they're at 150 160 and their chlorine is not as effective, because that's what cya does. It dumbs down your chlorine. So they're having a lot more problems. So one of the things I wanted to talk about is that, how do you manage your cya? Now, if you're already really high and you're 160 170 parts per million, most people are going to say, drain the pool. You know, that's that's what you do. You drain the pool to get rid of the CYA, and because it. Doesn't evaporate. It accumulates. It doesn't get used up. You can wash out, you know, heavy rain, stuff like that. You can wash some of it out. You can overflow your pool, get rid of it that way. But there's also green story global. We talked about this just, probably, I don't know, six, seven weeks ago, we talked about green story global, which is a product you can put in your skimmer basket. It gets a lot of bad reviews, but the stuff works. The reason it gets bad reviews is because people aren't following the instructions. You've got to run your pump for many, many hours. The more flow you get over it. You boys don't read instructions. No, we do not read instructions. And until I really started researching this and figuring out how to use it, right? We were, we were getting very mixed results also. But if you'll get make sure you have good flow in the skimmer that you put this product in, and make sure you run for many hours, you'll end up with lowering your Cy quite a bit. The more you run it, the more flow you get over it, the better it's going to work for you. We have dropped holes from 180 to 200 parts per million in CYA, 6070, parts per man in just a few weeks using green story global Cy removal. That's crazy, but this is with clients that allowed us to run the pump. 24/7 divert a lot of flow to the skimmer that it's in not all the flow. We don't want to starve the pump and make it get that gravelly noise. We don't want to cavitate the pump. We just want to make sure we have a good flow coming over. The green story, global product, it's and I'll put a picture up of it on the video. And what we do is we'll take, like, a two inch coupling, put it next to it to make sure that it doesn't stop flowing the skimmer, because it's a big old pad, y'all, it's, it's about, you know, 678, inches across. So we'll put a two inch coupler next to it to make sure that that skimmer keeps good flow, and we don't shut off the flow with that green story global and a little bit of debris. And it works for us now, it will get varying results. It's not always, you know, 20 parts per million per week, or five parts for me, will get varying, but it always works. So I just, you know, I just want to keep reiterating that everybody thinks they have to drain their pool. And draining your pool is not always a bad idea, at least draining partial Be careful. Always have to happen. Yeah, but be careful draining pools. Because you can float a pool or cave a pool, if it's fiberglass or vinyl, you get water behind the the liner. You got to be careful doing it. What you can do is drain part, fill back up. Drain part, fill back up, or you can add a hose to the pool. Just overflow the pool. If you got a good overflow in your pool built into the side of like the tile line, you can just overflow the pool for many, many, many hours. But a lot of the water you're adding is going to go out with what you're trying to force out, which is the cya. So you're going to lose good water along with the heavy cya water, but it, y'all, it's not that expensive, typically to fill a pool. Maybe it is in California, God, y'all pay a fortune for freaking everything. But you know, typically in North Texas, it's going to cost you a couple 100, maybe 300 bucks, if you completely drain that pool and fill it back up. If you do completely drain your pool. Take this opportunity to meter the water going into the pool so you know exactly how many gallons your pool holds that. That's one way that. That's one way to get a really good, accurate number on the size of your pool. So just keep that in mind with the Seaway and another thing that's been coming up that kind of makes me go Earth, is people saying, well, I just run my pool at night because I've owned this plan where I get free electricity at night. So is that accurate? It well, it is accurate. They they probably save money. Accurate. It's accurate.

Jacque:

It's accurate. There's

Unknown:

that accumulate, what you said earlier. There's two, two words this episode, two new words that I'm just like, accurate and accumulate. I said accumulate. You did accumulate all right, anyway. So people want to do that because they save money by running their pumps at night and running their pumps at night. I get it. You're going to save me some electricity. I get it, but you need to be running your filter, running your circulation system, primarily when the sun is on the pool, because, because that's when the sun is burning the chlorine out, and things are going to be more active, and you can end up with these dead spots, and in the sun, algae can get the growing. And you. Kind of such a freaking hillbilly. Algae can get growing, get to growing. Algae can get growing and growing. You need to stop. But anyway, not not running your pump during the day, when the water's warm, not running your pump during the day can be very problematic for you, and I can almost promise you, if that's what you're doing, and you have anything working against you, you get heavy, organic loads. You swim a lot, whatever you got a dog that gets in the pool. If you're not filtering that pool, when this in the heat of the day, you're probably going to end up spending more on pool chemicals and fighting more problems than what you saved on the electricity by running at night. So you know, again, my best piece of advice is get you a variable speed pump run medium speeds during the day and run really low speeds all night. That's going to save you a ton of money, right there, if you'll follow my plan. You have an average size pool, and you know, you got a variable speed bump, two horse, 2.7 whatever you got 1.85 and you're following that plan where it's 24/7, you got a little bit of a high speed, a medium speed all day, little bit of a high speed late in the afternoon, and then a low speed all night. Your electric bill is only going to be about 4045, 50 bucks a month anyway, so you're not saving that much, sure the extra chemicals you're going to be using, it's not going to be worth it. It's not going to be worth it, and I highly recommend against that. So we're gonna go to break. I'm gonna take an English lesson while we're at break, and we'll be back in a minute. Thank you to our sponsors, porks. We love you guys. If there's not a porks near you, become a porks near you. See you later. Stain eliminator and metal removal system. We got blu ray, Excel. We got fluiddro, maker of Janie Pool products and Polaris Pool products, and we got cyclone filter tools, the best filter cleaning system out there. So we'll be back in a minute. And here's our sponsors, blue. Blu ray XL is the power of minerals working for you reduce your overall chemical costs and labor up to 50% guaranteed, whether you have 20 accounts or 20,000 blu ray XLS direct pricing and free shipping to the pool trade. Have you covered improving pool professionals profit and work life balance is what they do. Blu ray XL, the real mineral purifier. Visit them at Blu Ray xl.com, Blu ray all day. Do you want to stop the cycle of metal staining and keep your pool and spa stain free all year long? Do you want happy customers, while saving time and money introducing periodic products, see you later, metal eliminator and stain preventer. Your answer for metal free and stain free pools sequestering agents only temporarily suspend metals. See you later, removes and eliminates all stain causing metals like iron, copper, cobalt and manganese, and it changes color to identify the metals removed. Visit, see you later.com. That's C, U, L, A, T, O, r.com, and use code deep end, 44 for a special discount. It's not magic, it's science,

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Unknown:

Hey, Jackie, Hey, Frank. Have you ever wondered how you can clean between all those pesky filter pleats on a cartridge filter.

Jacque:

Yeah, I lose sleep over it. I mean, it's so tedious and it takes forever, I could never seem to get them all clean. Well,

Unknown:

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Jacque:

back. Wow. The cyclone filter cleaner. You got it.

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Jacque:

Hey friends, welcome back to the deep end with Frank and Jackie. We're talking about just getting you guys ready for summer, and just some things that have been problematic that people have been asking us about, yeah, you know, and it

Unknown:

got over 100 degrees while we were gone, just for a day, but we were in really 40

Jacque:

degrees. We were freezing. Yeah,

Unknown:

it was cold up there. It was cold. But while we were gone, you know, pools warmed up quite a bit. Yeah. Well, they got up to 103 Yeah, 103 just for one day. Yeah. Then it dropped in the high 90s. Then they got into the 80s for a few days. But, but summer's coming, but the water is warming up, so the issues are popping up. And like I said, These people, they were having cya issues. Well, now it bit them in the butt because the water warmed up to see why he's got high enough. Oh, I've always ran three parts per million of chlorine, but, yeah, but now your stabilizer is triple what it was, and three parts per minute, gonna get it for you now. So now you may, you may need eight or nine parts per man if you got really, really high CYA, because if you follow the math of seven and a half percent of your CYA, you triple your cya. That's triple the seven and a half percent. So it letting things get away from you, and not managing the cya during the year and during the off season can cost you a lot and can give you problems. And right now you're really frustrated because this is Memorial Day weekend and your pool looks like crap, and you're having people over. Yeah, you're scrambling, you're scrambling, and it just turned green this week. You know, you thought, You thought you're in high cotton man, now you're and you think

Jacque:

your pool person is going to come over tomorrow or Saturday or

Unknown:

like that. It's kind of sad, because you get, Hey, can I get somebody by here tomorrow? My pool is just swampy green or today? Yeah, I need no, no, we're booked out a bit. You know? It's this, this is a plan thing. Y'all. We got people that have been waiting on us for a week and a half to come clean up their green pools. It's a season. It's busy man. And you know, and if you can find somebody can come do it right now, either you're gonna have to pay them a lot more to come right now, or they, if they ain't got enough work right now. I don't know if that's the guy I want, because if he's any good, if you got the money, if you got the money, I mean money talks. Money Talks. You should greenbacks. You go to pool right now, somebody said I got $1,000 right? I'm on my way, and I'll grab a sandwich out the door, and there I go, out the door. Some speaking of green pools, yep. And this is a point I wanted to make, because there's a lot of swampy pools out there. And I've drained a lot of really swampy pools you get down to the bottom, and I mean, I'm talking nasty green. There were nasty green for many, many, many months.

Jacque:

Videos of you walking,

Unknown:

yeah, a lot of times that plaster at the bottom is eating up pretty bad. And I want to talk a little bit about algae, and how algae, how algae lives, and some peculiar things, what algae do, what algae do, this, this what algae do. Alright, so algae, all right, all right. We know, or hopefully, everybody remembers enough about science class, and you know photosynthesis, well, algae does photosynthesis also. It's not a plant, but it's very, very plant, like some people do call it plant, but I really don't think it's a plant. I think it's just plant like but photosynthesis is algae will take carbon dioxide out of the water, all right? It takes carbon dioxide, water, sunlight, and it makes sugar or carbohydrates, and that's its food, and that's photosynthesis. It takes carbon dioxide and creates oxygen, okay, so it oxygenates the planet, and that's the oceans are very highly responsible for oxygenating the planet. They take the algae in the oceans does photosynthesis and creates oxygen that goes gasses off from the from the ocean, and that's where we get a lot of our oxygen that we breathe, along with rainforest and stuff like that. But algae is the a huge contributor to that, because there's a lot more algae. Then there is trees. Well, in a pool. You know, we've talked about how high pH is not good for you, and algae likes high pH. I've discussed that before. Well, if you got this going on and you're not really watching your pH, because algae is eating carbon dioxide, the more dissolved carbon dioxide that we have in the water, the lower the pH. So algae is now eating all this carbon dioxide and running the pH up. So when you go to kill it, if you're not forcing that pH down while you're trying to kill it, your chlorine is going to be less effective, and chlorine is not going to go as far as it should and do the job it should be doing with that higher pH. Now, it's not a huge swing if you got Cya in the water, but it is some swing if you, you know if you the difference if you knocked it down to 7.3 or 7.4 and now that pH is 8.2 8.3 All right, that's a pretty big difference. And I mean, that's probably a 25 maybe 30% increase that it takes for chlorine to do the same job. So that's one thing algae does. But now there's kind of a reverse on this. In a really green, swampy pool, the sunlight which algae uses in photosynthesis can only penetrate so far, and then all the algae down to the depth. Bottom of the pool is not getting any sunlight. And when algae cannot perform photosynthesis, it it. It's called respiration. It takes the oxygen and it creates carbon dioxide. It's kind it takes the oxygen and the sugars it's made and it creates carbon dioxide. And what do we say about carbon dioxide? The more of the carbon dioxide there is in the water, the lower the pH. So this is why, many times will drain a swampy pool in the algae or the plaster in the bottom of the pool is just eating the pieces. It's just soft, and you can just take your fingernail and scrape it off if it's been swampy for a long, long time, because it's created a extremely acidic environment by producing carbon dioxide. And the production of carbon dioxide is lowering your pH, making the bottom of this pool extremely acidic, which is eating your plaster. You don't want any algae in your pool. And you know, we always talk about how important pH is on water balance, protecting your surfaces, protecting your equipment, typically a swampy, swampy pull the pump ain't running, you ain't killing nothing, and you're not destroying your equipment anyway, because your pumps not running. If it is running, your filter is probably trashed, and you probably need all new cartridges or grids, or, depending on the filter you got, may need to do a sand change. But so it's not really damaging your pull equipment, but it is damaging your plaster, your tile grout, stuff like that. Another point, I reached out to Rudy just to verify my points on this. Rudy sankwitz, if you're really interested now, you get his book. It's how to eliminate just go to Amazon look up Rudy stank wits, how to get rid of algae, right? Or how to remove algae. I think it is the master. Yeah, he's the master, but it's a fantastic book, but I've reached out to him. Said, Okay, really, I just wanna make sure I'm, I'm, I got this right. And he said, You know what, at one point that would be really good to make, is if you have copper in your pool and you get a lot of algae, all of a sudden your copper is going to be gone because the algae eats the copper. Now, if you added one part per man, if you had a pretty green pool, and you added one part per man of copper to that pool, and you tested the copper, a couple days later, the copper is gone. It's still there actually

Jacque:

a metal test. Yeah, that'd be a metal

Unknown:

test. So if you test for your copper, the copper is going to be gone, because your algae absorbed all that. So that's, that's kind of a cool thing about algae, but algae will eat copper until it blows itself up. That's why these copper algaecides work. Algae will just until pop and they just spill their guts. That's, that's how copper destroys algae in like blu ray Excel. If we got a really hard, a really difficult pool to manage, we'll use blue ray XL, because it puts trace minerals like, you know, copper, silver, zinc, all those minerals work together to help, to help control algae. Blu ray Excel does not claim that they kill algae, but it manages algae pretty well. It does real does really well, yeah, but it's not listed. It's not listed as a algaecide, but it, it really helps you manage your algae. So

Jacque:

we didn't say that. They didn't say that. He said it

Unknown:

in. The same goes with phosphates. You know, a lot of people, they said, Well, you know, I. All this algae, but, man, I tested my phosphates, and my phosphates are low. Why don't, you know, why don't I have any phosphates? You know, if I got all this algae, I thought they said, if you got algae, you got a lot of phosphates, but I tested my phosphates, you know, why? Why? Because you're out all those phosphates are in your algae. Phosphates are also algae food that phosphates are one of the products or the food sources for algae, that algae uses to multiply. So if you remove all the phosphates, will slow the multiplication. So you can use lower chlorine, just like if you use borate, you slow the multiplication of algae. So you can use lower chlorine. But if you got a lot of algae in your pool, you may test and said, Man, how do I got all this algae? I don't have any phosphates. Well, you do got phosphates. It's just all in the algae. But you know what? You go throw in like a copper algaecide, or something like a Blu ray Excel, which is a algi stat. You throw that in there, and you kill all this algae with algae spills its guts. Now test your phosphates. You got phosphates now, because it ain't in the algae anymore, you just dumped it back into the water. So if you have algae, you're going to get some test readings that are different while you have algae and after you kill all your algae. So keep that in mind when you're doing complete water test, if you're somebody that really wants to monitor everything, if you have a lot of algae in your pool, there's some things that are going to be a little bit different. Your phosphates are going to be different, your metals are going to be a little bit different. So you want to judge everything off the no algae. And if you get algae, you gotta do what you need to do to kill the algae, but then you may get different test results after you're done. So just keep that in mind, and keep in mind that when you do have algae, pH is an issue. PH is an issue. You need to keep that pH down. When you're adding sanitizers and oxidizers that are trying to kill all this algae, you want to try to keep that pH down, because your chlorine is more active the lower the pH now you don't you've got to watch your LSI, your Langmuir saturation index. You don't want your water to get aggressive, where you start damaging things. You don't want it to get too high, where you start scaling things over. So still watch your LSI, but try to manage it, where you get that your pH down and still within a good LSI range, and then good active chlorine, because your pH is low, your chlorine is going to be very active, lower CYA, and bam, you're going to be able to manage your algae. Now, if you got high CYA, and you got a big old algae bloom, and you haven't had a lot of rain, and it is safe. And always use caution, though, but you feel it is safe now to drain your pool. Then if you got high seaway and you're fighting algae, man, just get rid of the Seaway. Dump. Dump your pool. You can do it. You can do a aluminum sulfate. Flock a Floyd. We call it alum. You flock it if you got a green algae bloom where it just looks like green milk, like the video that I posted on here, where it's just like thick green well, you can flock that it will drop it to the bottom. You can vacuum it to waste, if you have that system, or if you have somebody that can come back at the waste for you, flock, it drop all that stuff out that will also drop out your cya. A lot of the cya will go out with this. And Rudy stake, which has proven this, he's proving this, and he's documenting a lot of it. Alum, flock has a lot of benefits, but you can drop all that algae out, remove it, and now you have a lot less algae. And you lowered your Seaway, but now you have a lot less algae left in the pool after you vacuum the waste, and the pool is going to be easier to get right again, I have

Jacque:

a question, yes, what the flock is? Flock?

Unknown:

Is flocking. Just flock, it alum is flock. Were the flock that we use is album, I guess is the way I should say that it's the same stuff. Like, if you go in the grocery store and on the spice aisle, you see alum. It's aluminum sulfate. They use it like pickling and stuff

Jacque:

like that. Something you're just adding your alum. What the

Unknown:

alum does is it groups things together, changes the positive, negative charges of things, and it tracks things together, so now they're too heavy to be suspended, and they will fall out. You turn the pump off, you let the water get calm, you stir it up really well with the alum in there, so it's all over the place. And then it will take all these little, tiny little things and clump them together. They become heavier. They fall to. The bottom, and it can, I've seen sometimes. Man, it is crystal clear with this much yuck at the bottom. And then we do a vacuum to waste, where we have a pump on the where we just vacuum the bottom of the pool. It pumps it to waste. We'll pump it to a storm sewer, sometimes to the sanitary sewer, and we can just, it's, man, it's so pretty. Watching this nasty green and you're just pulling it up, you can get this beautiful blue stripes as you're going back and forth. Okay, but it does a really good job. You have to follow instructions. It sometimes you got to get your pH right. It doesn't work well in certain water temperatures. But flocking a pool is, you know, especially now that Rudy's done a lot of things. He's brought to the forefront. I'm not saying Rudy came up with it, but Rudy's done a lot of the research and testing and checked. Well, he, I don't the man has no time. I don't know how he has time to do this. And right now he's in a wheelchair. You know? He's hurt his back, his back. Yeah, he's the only one that's done any decent research on black algae. Yeah, all these big chemical companies. And guess who spent who's the only person that's put a lot of effort into killing black algae is and you know, Rudy stank, and guess how many chemicals he manufactures? Zero. Yeah. You know, this may be one of those things where they don't want you to cure the problem. They want you to just keep treating we're not going there. We're not going there. Yeah, kind of like the medical community. Sometimes, some people accuse them of not curing the issue because they want to continue to treat the issue because it's, you know, monetarily more satisfactory. We're not going but people do make products to kill Black algae, but nobody's done any research on it, so except Rudy. All right, guys, that is it. And again. Thank you to our sponsors, bluer XL, love you guys. Sock on filter tool is looking great. Memorial Day, yeah, and thank you for your service. Yes. Thank Well, Memorial

Jacque:

thank you for your service all of those who died. Yes,

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if you've got family members you've lost, you didn't let me

Jacque:

finish. I was about to I know, but

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