Ep.181: Pool Stains & The 5 Basics of Pool Care | Deep End Pool Podcast

Welcome to Episode 181 of the Deep End Pool Podcast! In this episode, Frank and Jacque dive into two critical topics for pool owners:

First, we tackle the persistent problem of pool staining, specifically focusing on metal stains. Learn why staining happens more frequently in warmer weather, the science behind sequestering agents, and a revolutionary solution: CU Later Metal Eliminator. We discuss how this innovative product removes metals from your water, preventing stains before they start, and offer insights into dealing with common issues like iron-induced brown water or copper-caused black stains. We also cover how to prevent metals from entering your pool in the first place, especially if you have well water.

Next, we shift gears to revisit the fundamental principles of pool maintenance. Frank breaks down the "Five Basics of Pool Care" that, if mastered, can prevent 99.9% of all pool problems. From the importance of consistent brushing and debris removal to optimizing circulation and filtration, and finally, maintaining perfect water chemistry, this segment is a must-listen for anyone looking to simplify their pool management and protect their investment. We also highlight the power of the Orenda app for balancing your water.

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1:23 - Welcome & Pool Works Updates 

2:55 - Understanding Pool Stains & Metals 

4:15 - The Role of Sequestering Agents 

5:03 - Testing for Metals in Your Pool Water 

6:40 - Introducing CU Later Metal Eliminator 

9:20 - Managing Metals from Pool Products 

11:27 - Non-Removable Water Components (Calcium, TDS) 

12:40 - Tackling Well Water & Iron with Fill Fast 

14:05 - Oxidized Metals & Pool Discoloration 

15:52 - Stain Removal Solutions 

18:13 - CU Later's 3-Step Stain Process 

20:13 - Sponsor Break 

23:22 - Welcome Back: The Five Basics of Pool Care 

25:29 - Basic 1: Consistent Brushing 

26:30 - Basic 2: Removing Debris 

28:40 - Basic 3: Optimizing Circulation 

31:17 - Basic 4: Effective Filtration 

32:55 - Basic 5: Mastering Water Chemistry (Sanitizer & LSI) 

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Transcript

Unknown: 0:00

Steve, welcome to episode 181 of the deep end pool Podcast. Today we got some great topics. Going to be talking about staining metals in your pool, what we can do to prevent it, and why it happens more in the summer than it does other times of the year. And we're also going to be talking about the five basics of pool care. I've been out in the field a lot lately, and some of you guys need to listen to this. We can if you get the five basics down, you're not going to have any problems. So let's learn some pool stuff.

Russel Ownens: 0:29

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Jacque: 1:23

Hey, friends, welcome to the deep end with Frank and Jackie, his sidekick, and life and on the air and

Unknown: 1:29

she had just kind of a normal week. We just got our re grand opening at our Flower Mound store. Yeah, so you know, come out and see us grand. It's really just Saturday, just we'll have a kid in a duck suit. It's our new business partner, Robbie, his daughter, who's in drama. So she's gonna be ducking. She's gonna be ducking, you know, just some special deals and stuff going on right now. We got a beta deal till Father's Day. Oh, yeah, we love the beta. Love us some beta. Yeah, it's all the porks are doing. It's $75 off. Well, all the DFW area pool works. $75 off a beta and $150 off if you do the robotic bundle, which is a beta and a Polaris robotic cleaner. So that's a good deal. Still got our special going with with the heat pumps, the ray pack, nice heat pump chillers. Yeah, it's about start getting warm. I know the water is not too, too hot, yet still kind of cool. Yeah, it's the water over here we've been having, like, cool days. It's the oddball cool days a little bit. But after hitting 103 in mid May, that's just weird. But so we got the good deal going on with the heat pumps, chillers. So we have, like said, if you're if your pool tends to get really, really hot, typically about mid July, all the way through August, then we got a really good deal on that chiller. So give us call for that. But other than that, we didn't really have much going on this week, just kind of a we're kind of boring. We're boring, so which allows us just jump on into what we want to talk about some pool stuff this week. I want to talk about stains. And the reason I'm bringing it up now because as water gets warmer, the LSI goes up. And it's not drastic, but if you were on the edge of staining, and over time, like your calcium levels from last year to this year have gone up, so that pushes the LSI up a little bit. You know, different things are affecting people. They want us to. You know, the run of the waterfalls and stuff like that, when the water starts getting warm to help chill the pool. Well, that also that runs your pH up, which runs your LSI up, and metals have built up over time. And wherever the metals are getting in your water from, whether you're using product like polar x or even blu ray XL, you know, it's adding metals to the water. And all this stuff is coming together. You get a little bit of extra metal. Your LSI is going up just from natural aging of the water and your what like last year may kept you just slightly below where the metals would start coming out of solution. Then, you know, this year, even if the readings are exact same on your pH or alkalinity, you're closer to the staining level where your LSI gets out of whack and metals get pushed out of solution. So the way to manage metals, and it's, well, there's a couple ways. One is you can use sequestering agents. And sequestering agents, what they do is they bond to the metals in the water, and when they're bonded, they will not bond to the plaster. So sequestering agents are a good thing to help prevent staining. Except sequestering agents wear out the chlorine wears out the sequestering agent, and eventually it releases that metal again. So you have to continually dose sequestering the. Agents to keep it bonded so it won't come out and stay. So

Jacque: 5:04

when you're saying So, question, what like, what products? So if you go into pool works,

Unknown: 5:10

need a just sequestering agent or something to keep you know, I'm getting metal staining or whatever. Typically, we test their water, we test for metals. And if you are taking your water in somewhere to get it tested, have them test for metals, because it's just part of our routine. We're testing for it every week, so you can monitor it, and you can monitor your calcium levels and stuff like that. And at home, maybe just test pH, chlorine, alkalinity. But at least once a month, take your water in somewhere, get your metals, tested your calcium levels, tested your cya levels. And so you can just monitor those, and you'll see them just slowly typical pool, especially tadpoles, or if pulls are using calcium hypochlorite as a sanitizer, you'll see these levels slowly climb over time? Well, we'll, we'll test that for you. Don't need to go get the metal test kit, right? If you're watching your metals, okay? Are your metals are getting a little high. Typical pool store will say, hey, you need to put sequestering agent in there to keep it from staining All right? And that's, that's the that's what everybody's always done. You had sequestering agents, but you have to continually. Once you start using them, if you have metals and you're using the sequestering agents to prevent the staining, you're married to it. Now you have to continually do it because your chlorine is breaking it down, and you have to re charge the sequestering agent in the pool, but now we have a way to remove the metals, and that's with CU later, see you later.com. C, U, L, A, T, O, R. Love them. Brilliant products. They have stain removers if you get stains, but they also have a product is the metal eliminator that actually removes the metal from the water. And anything when you do get your metals tested, anything over point two, like that's less than one anything over point two, you're starting to flirt with possible staining so and that's with iron copper. It's all your metals together, if when they start building up and they start getting over point two, that's when you're really becoming at risk, and that's when people are recommending the sequestering agents. But with See you later, you put this product in your skimmer or in your pump basket, and it bonds the same product, or a similar product, as polymers that bond to the metals when the water is flowing over this little packet. And I'm putting pictures up on the screen. If you're watching the video, it flows over this packet, and that bond that metal bonds to the polymers in this little packet, so it actually removes the metal from the water. And one packet, if you get the 4.0 they have a 1.0 which will remove one part per million of metals. That's all metals out of 20,000 gallons. All right, we remember we said point two over point two, we're flirting with it. And well that that one will remove one part per man out of 20,000 gallons. Or, I doubt, if you're over one part per man of total metals, you can be if, like, you're on a well, or something like that. But they also have the 4.0 which will remove four parts per man of metals out of 20,000 gallons. And what we do in our service, and if you're in the service industry, the full service industry, and you have, you know, you're using metal algaecides. You're using polarx, you're using blu ray XL. I love blu ray XL. Everybody knows. I love blue ray XL. But if you're using those products, you're getting metals in but you have to manage them. And what we do is, if we have a pool that's on service, because we test our metals Occasionally, when we test our metals, if we start flirting with that high metal range, it, whether it's from us or from previous service companies or whatever or the or the client themselves, is adding something. Something's adding metals to the water. We'll use the 4.0 and which will remove four parts per man out of 20,000 gallons of water, we'll put it in the pool. We'll run it a few weeks, test our metals again. Then once they get down, we've removed them out of the water, so if they're not in the water, there's zero chance they can stain so we remove the metal from the water, we don't have to worry about. Staining. Now we will take that packet out of the pool, and since we have the 4.0 we can now take it to another pool. So we can use one packet and take it from pool to pool to pull as needed. Just take it, let it dry, and just keep it nice and safe. And then when the next bull that we need to drop metals in for whatever reason, we'll use it again. So it really helps us manage our pools and eliminates the possibility of staining, because you you can't get metal stains if you don't have any metals. So it's there you go. That's the solution. It can't get any better than that. You take the metals out in the way you get metals in your water. It's the polar X, the blue XL, that's adding some metals. As long as it's managed, that's fine. But people just, oh, man, I love my Polar X, I live my Polar X. I love my Polar X. And they just keep replacing polar X after polar X after polar X. And that's building up time over time, over time, over time, and it finally gets to the point to where it's too much metal and even, maybe even a decent LSI, and they can start staining too much of a good thing. Yeah, not a good thing. So is, if you're anything that you're adding to your pool, you need to manage it. And if sometimes, if you need to lower it, you need to lower it. One some of the only things you can't remove without getting rid of the water. Is used to say metals, but now you can do that. We'll see you later. But you can't remove calcium. You know calcium, if calcium levels are getting too high and it's harder getting harder and harder for you to keep from scaling the pool, well, then you got to remove some of the water and dilute the calcium. Total dissolved solids, you can't get rid of total dissolved solids. So total dissolved solids, they build up, build up, build up, build up. And eventually you have to drain part of your pool to remove the total dissolved solids. Total dissolved solid, by the way, is anything you've ever added to your pool. So it's, you know, anything that gets in that water and dissolves is a new, total dissolved solid in your pool. And some people, the problem they get is they, they may have a well, you know, they're all well water. And there's a lot of well water that is really high in iron and iron, in what iron is that? One of those words? All right, no, I just want you hit Billy iron. Iron irons. That's a pirate word, but, but a lot of wells have really high on iron and and and sometimes, I mean, it's crazy how high the iron can be coming out of a well. And if that's your situations, see, later, has a system that removes the metals from the water while it's on its way to the pool, you can run it through hose, and that's the fill fast. It's they have a large one for professionals. I forget how many gallons it will manage. But then they also have smaller ones, or little two cartridges. It's the same material that that they put in these cartridges, and when the water is running through, it's the same material that's in the eliminator that you put in the skimmer. It's the same material in these cartridges, and it will grab the metals out of the water on the way to the pool. So you don't get all that high iron that you're that now you have to manage because, and it's crazy if you got really high iron a lot of times, if you'll put nobody

Jacque: 14:01

wants to manage iron.

Unknown: 14:05

If you have really high iron, is what can happen is like you'll throw shock in the pool, or even liquid chlorine, or sometimes even tabs it, it will oxidize those metals. And your pool, it looks clear, even though it has all the iron in it. But as soon as you oxidize those metals, also the pool goes brown. I mean, the water goes brown, like, like, like, ugly, reddish brown, and it freaks people out.

Jacque: 14:32

Oh, I don't want my pool again. So, so if

Unknown: 14:35

the metal is already in there, you can use the See you later, metal eliminator to get it out of the water that's in the pool. But if you've identified, hey, this is coming in from my tap water when I fill my pool, you can use the fill fast. And the fill fast will remove the metal before it gets to the pool. So now you can keep your metals in check. And so if you're keeping. Your metals in check. It's easier to manage. You don't have to worry about staining, because the metals aren't an issue. If you have a lot of copper in the water, sometimes the water can turn green, not not just staining the edge of the pool green. That bluish green, like the Statue of Liberty. I keep talking about it. She's made out of copper. Her color, the color of the Statue of Liberty, she is oxidized copper. Yes, she because she's, she's just oxidized copper. So she's bluish green. It's a pretty green. It's bluish green, but not her original. No, that's not she's copper man. She's She's like a penny. But, and you've probably seen old pennies that are bluish green because they got a little bit acidic and they had oxidized. But if you got a lot of copper in the water, sometimes the the water will turn the water itself will turn a green. And there's other metals that can turn it green in different colors. But also, what can happen, and this makes people have heart attacks, is they'll throw shock. They'll throw shock in a pool, it's calcium hypochloride, into the pool, and it goes and sits in the bottom, and it oxidizes the copper, and it the oxidized copper bonds to the plaster, and that will stain black. I mean, black is the ace of spades, and it is scary the first time it ever happens to you. So if you've ever thrown shock in a pool, or calcium hypochloride in a pool, and what, and it turned black, and you freaked out and trying to figure out, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, how do I fix this? That was copper, and you could have prevented it by managing your metals with CU leaders, a metal eliminator. But when that stain happens, normally, just chill. It's it's going to go away on its own. Typically, one thing you can use to remove it is you can use ascorbic acid that will pull copper staining off. You can also use alum, aluminum sulfate. You can see, you see it in the in the grocery aisle around spices. It says alum. It's aluminum sulfate. I think they use in pickling or something, but you can throw a little pickling. But anyway, so you throw this on it, and the metal will come detached from the plaster and attached to the alum, and basically just disappear and like before your eyes just boom, gone. So that's that's something you can use, or you can use this ascorbic acid, and see you later. Also has a full range of stain removers. They have a whole stain removal process and kits. They have ascorbic acid and they have citric acid. Citric acid is more for iron stains, and then the ascorbic acid is more for the copper stains. Anyway, I think I'm right on that ascorbic for the it says on their package what it's best for. But it does have, you know, different acids work with better with different metals. Got it some it may, you know, they may work a little bit with the other but the using the specific stain remover is very important. So you need to identify the stain, what the metal is before you go remove them. So when you test

Jacque: 18:13

for metals, when you take your water and you say, test for metals, they can tell you Yes, which yes,

Unknown: 18:19

they're going to tell you, typically, they're going to tell you iron and copper. There's others. There's manganese that can stain. It stains a purple. There's other metals that can stain, cobalt, staining cobalt metal. But there's other things that can stain, but see you later, we'll remove them. All nice. So and they have, they have a stain removal process. They also have sequestering agents. So like, if you do have a stain, and you use a stain remover to get the stain off your plaster, and you pull it into the water, you can then you can use the sequestering agent to lock it in the water, because, you know, you got too much where it can stain. So we want to lock it up in the water, and then we use the See you later, metal eliminator to pull it out of the water and gone, and so it can never stain you again. So it's kind of a three step process. Now, if you just put the metal Eliminator in the pool because you have stains that's not going to remove the stain. It doesn't do anything for metal that's attached. The scene is already there. The stain is on the plaster. And this metal eliminator can only remove metals that are in the water, so we have to pull it off the surface into the water, then we can remove it from the water using the metal eliminator. So we're going to go to break that's that's all I got about stains. And we've come back on a real quick, I'm gonna go over the five basics, just some things, you guys. I know a lot of people are struggling. If you'll do these five basics, y'all, it's gonna make your life easier. Your pool management much easier. So we'll go to break and we'll see in a minute. Blu ray XL is the power of minerals working for you reduce your overall chemical costs and labor up to 50% guaranteed, whether you have 20 accounts or 20,000 blu ray XL, direct pricing and free shipping to the pool trade. Have you covered? Improving pool professionals profit and work life balance is what they do. Blu ray XL, the real mineral purifier. Visit them at Blu Ray xl.com, Blu ray all day. Do you want to stop the cycle of metal staining and keep your pool and spa stain free all year long? Do you want happy customers while saving time and money introducing periodic products See you later, metal eliminator and stain preventer? Your answer for metal free and stain free pools, sequestering agents only temporarily suspend metals, see you later, removes and eliminates all stain causing metals like iron, copper, cobalt and manganese, and it changes color to identify the metals removed. Visit, see you later.com. That's C, U, L, A, T, O, r.com, and use code Deep End 44 for a special discount. It's not magic, it's science. Hey, Jackie, hey Frank. Have you ever wondered how you can clean between all those pesky filter pleats on a cartridge filter? Yeah,

Jacque: 21:38

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Jacque: 22:00

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Russel Ownens: 22:47

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Unknown: 23:21

What kills algae?

Jacque: 23:23

Hey friends, welcome back to the deep end. We're talking about kind of getting ready for the season, but you're already in the season, and some things that have happened. So we've had some people that have some staining. So we're talking about metal eliminators. Go watch that first part. But then the five basics to get you through,

Unknown: 23:43

yes, the make your life easier thing, and when you own a bowl, yes. And guys, you know, I keep saying this, and I want to keep saying it. I will always say it. Your water changes from year to year, so you can have problems this year that you've never had before, and you're doing the exact same thing. And again, it's, it's about the water aging, and it's about your environment changing a little bit. You maybe you got new plants. Maybe the guy next door sprays liquid fertilizer all the time, and that keeps blowing into your pool, so you're running phosphates up and more rain than normal. Yeah, it's and it's just changing, you know, year after year after year in like, phosphates. You know, phosphates is not an issue until it's an issue. If you're starting to have problems, maybe it's your phosphate levels have finally gotten high enough to where it's now causing you issues. And it just built up, built up, built up over time. So maybe removing phosphates is, you know now is necessary for you sure, but even all that into consideration, all right, 99 probably, point nine of all the problems can be prevented if you'll just do what's necessary to properly manage. Your pool. And that is the five basics you need to be brushing y'all year round. Unless you got your pool covered, you need to be brushing on a weekly basis. Brush all the vertical surfaces. Brush all your raised flat surfaces. If you don't have a good cleaner, you need to brush the floor even. But brushing is very, very necessary. It helps get things that are attached to the wall, get it pushed out into the pool, hopefully it can get filtered out. Algae loves to attach itself to surfaces. Some algae, some algae is free floating and doesn't attach. But some algaes, like mustard algae, they love to attach to the wall surfaces in tile and grout lines and all that. And then they're protected, and it's much, much harder for the chlorine in your chemicals to get in and kill it, and it can start multiplying and start causing you problems. So brush is very, very necessary. We've talked about removing debris. You know, algae is plant like, and when, just like when you're composting in a garden, you put dead organic material in the garden, it starts breaking down, releasing nutrients for the live plants to eat. Well, same thing happens in your pool, if you're letting your cleaner, if you're not emptying the bag and it's just running around with a half empty bag of leaves for you know, three weeks, those leaves are starting to break down and they're releasing nutrients into the water. Debris sitting in your skimmer for weeks that's feeding algae in your pool, so leaves sitting in on your steps, on your tanning ledge, anywhere that organic debris is breaking down in your water. It's releasing nutrients in the water that's going to make it more difficult for you to kill algae. And you know, we've talked about it all the time, our whole goal is to kill algae faster than it multiplies. Well, it works two ways. You can just make sure you always have enough chlorine to the seven and a half percent of your Cya in free chlorine in your water will kill algae faster than it multiplies, as long as you have a good pH but you can also slow how fast Algae grows. So that number becomes lower if you're slow in the how fast Algae grows by eliminating how much food it can eat, because you're not even either you're not providing food or you're putting like borates in the water to slow the algae multiplies slower when you have borates in the water using stuff like blu ray Excel, that slows algae growth, where you can even use less chlorine, but we got to maintain a constant residual in warm water that where we're killing the algae faster than it multiplies. Being part of that is don't give it a freaking buffet to eat in your pool. So removing debris from the pool is very critical. We've talked about circulation time and time and time again. Circulation is critical to maintaining a pool. Well, without good circulation, your chemistry is different in different parts of the pool. You need all the water in the pool exchanging regularly, and not have just the center part. You know, your jets going back and forth across the pool. You don't want just the center part to be good and leave the corners dead, or have like up on your tanning ledge. If you're never moving any water up over your tanning ledge, and a bubbler does not help you much here. It just kind of comes up and rolls over. We need something to move water across the tanning ledge. What I love to do with people with bubblers on a tanning ledge is put a side slotted return up on that tanning ledge, have it blow back towards the wall, and then that keeps that tanning ledge. The water on that tanning ledge exchanged frequently, so we that the tanning ledge doesn't become a problem. And spa foot wells these many, many pools that is just an algae farm. I know you guys like to have these fountains. If you have a center return, they call it floor return in this hot tub, and they put these pipes in them, and they have the little spray head up top. It's right above the spa. If you can live without that little fountain, you're going to be much better served by putting a side slotted return in the floor where that fountain screws in, put a side slot return, thread it in there, have it stirring water in that foot well, and just doing this, and then that water is moving up and out and overflowing into the pool. That's going to help you tremendously. So the good circulation is critical. I don't care how good your water chemistry is in the middle of the pool, if you have a bunch of dead spots where the chemistry is different, right? Because that's where the algae will grow. You know the algae, it doesn't have to live in the middle of the pool. It just go where it can live. So it finds its little corners. It gets attached. It starts multiplying, double, double, double. Double, double, and it's constantly releasing spores out into the pool, which is wearing out your chlorine. Your chlorine is wasting itself, trying to oxidize all these spores coming, getting mixed in. So it's taking more chlorine, and it's now you can't keep chlorine in the water, and you're getting algae, and now you're fighting problems, and you're just getting frustrated, and you just I'll never own another pool. Well, I don't want you there. I want you to enjoy your pool. So that's something very simple, guys, very, very simple. Good circulation really solves a lot of problems. All right, then next thing is good filtration. You got to have a filter that's working well, and you got to be moving enough water through that filter, you know, just turning here in North Texas, I know parts of the country, you might can get away with just one turnover, and that's the volume of water in your pool passing through your filter once. And some people try to just get one turnover a day. And in parts of the country, that may work, you know, but here in North Texas, it don't work. If you got anything that's making your management a little more difficult. Fewer turnovers is really going to cause you a lot of problems. Here in North Texas, I say two to three turnovers, minimum, the volume of water in that pool, through that pump, through that filter, two to three times a day, and that will help you manage because your filters removing stuff out of the water, organics, other things that cause you problems. So if we get it filtered out, it's not a problem anymore. And make sure you get your filters clean. Yes, clean your filter regularly. It's

Jacque: 31:41

one of the things I always hear when people call you about this, this, this or the first thing, when was the last time you had your filter clean? Yes, I'm supposed to clean my two years ago. And seriously,

Unknown: 31:53

we have people that haven't had a filter clean in two years. Yeah, they're wondering why they're having problems. Well, when that filter starts getting real dirty. It slows flow in the pool, so it's lowering your turnovers, and it's not doing its job anymore. And then you can start damaging the internals of the filter. Once you damage those now the filtration is even worse. So maintaining a filter well is worth the time, worth the effort, worth of money. So just make sure you're doing that Sure. And then the last thing is good water chemistry, and you can overcome if you're not doing some of these other things, if you're not brushing Well, if you have not the greatest circulation, if you're leaving some debris in the pool, you can overcome that with more chemicals and more chlorine, better sanitizers, more sanitizers. You can overcome a lot of that. But if you'll just do those four things, the first four things, the brushing, the removal of debris, the good circulation, the good filtration, chemistry becomes much, much simpler, right? Because you're not putting it behind the eight ball. It doesn't have to overcome. It, can just maintain that's great. So, but the good chemistry, again, there's two parts of water chemistry, there's sanitizer and there's water balance. The sanitizer super simple, y'all, it's maintaining enough chlorine to kill algae faster than it multiplies, whether you're slowing the growth of the algae or or whatever. It doesn't matter, you still gotta have enough sanitizer to kill it faster than multiplies. And the average pool, it's seven and a half percent of your cya with a decent pH is going to kill algae faster than it can multiply, all right, if with borates, it's 5% of your Cy with borates and blu ray. Excel. Man, we're trying three, three and a half percent for the Cy and it's working. So we can use a lot less chlorine, and that gives us less stabilizer issues, because we're not adding as many tabs in our tadpoles. So our stabilizers not climbing as much, and it's making our lives much, much better. So the sanitizer part simple. I can't make it any simpler than that. You test you dose as needed to kill the algae faster than it multiplies. And then it's water balance. What the water balance takes a lot of things into account. It's pH, alkalinity, calcium, hardness and total dissolved solids, salt level, if you have salt, if you're a salt pool, take cya into account and water temperature. I get very frustrated with pool stores that test water and don't do an LSI, the Langer saturation index, where you can see if your water's balanced and it changes your water temperature changes LSI, and you have to manage that LSI. I recommend your Orinda app, O, R, E, N, D, A, to great app. Or you can put in all your readings, and it will tell you what your LSI is. And if you need to adjust your LSI, you can. Move a couple things. Typically it's just pH and alkalinity. And because you can't, you're not going to change your water temperature, you're not going to change your calcium, you're not going to change your CYA, you're not going to change your totals of solids. So we manage the LSI with our pH and our alkalinity, so we can adjust that over in the other column, until the it shows us that the LSI would be good. There you hit dosage, and it tells you what to add to balance the water, to the changes you've made. And that's very simple. Keeping a good LSI is critical to extending the life of your plaster, your pool equipment, and it has nothing to do with algae. It this is only about protecting your investment. Now the sanitizer is about making it swimmable and safe. So we can't make that any simpler on the sanitizer and LSI is not that complicated. Y'all, especially with these apps that we have now. And there's several apps out there I just love Orinda, but great app. I mean, kudos to you guys, that fantastic job. And you'll see what you can play with the numbers on this app. Move things up and down, and you can see the huge effect it has on your LSI, or the little effect it has on your LSI, maybe some changes. Yeah, you can dial things up and you play with the water temperature, see how much that can change your LSI. You can't keep the same. If you're in an environment where you have extreme highs and extreme lows in your water temperature, then you can't run the same numbers year round and necessarily keep your LSI good, because when that water temperature gets really cold, the water gets more aggressive. You need to run higher alkalinities, higher PHS. Some parts of the country that have a lot of vinyl and fiberglass pools, they add a lot of calcium. We don't do we hardly. We add calcium to pools when they're first built and we're water's fresh after that, we rarely add calcium. We just monitor it as it slowly climbs on its own. Some parts of the country, they don't have calcium in their water, and they have vinyl liners and stuff like that. So they have a little they sometimes need to add calcium to help keep the water balanced. So but anyway, guys, the five basics, just stay on top of it, learn water chemistry, get this Orinda app, play with it, and you'll start seeing how things affect you know, your water and put your risk at either damaging your surfaces or staining your surfaces. And then sanitizers just keeping the pool safe, keeping algae at bay. And then if you do get stains, See you, later is going to be your best friend. Preventing stains is much easier now with See you, later than it used to be, and preventing is much easier than trying to get removing stains. Preventing is one step, guys, see you, later, stain Eliminator, removing is three, four step process. So just prevent it. Watch your metals, you know, take water into somewhere where they test everything, watch your metals, monitor them, and when needed, put See you later in there, drop those metals out, and then you're going to be good for a while. So thank y'all for watching, thank you for listening. And next week, I have no idea what we're gonna talk about next week. I never know what we're gonna talk about.

Jacque: 38:24

To say, I was thought you were gonna preview. I was so proud. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know

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