EP 58: Del Bigtree on Informed Consent, Public Health, and Choosing Courage

What does it look like to pursue truth, faith, and courage in the middle of some of the most difficult conversations in public health?

In this episode, Cathy Meehan sits down with Del Bigtree, Emmy Award-winning producer, investigative journalist, host of The HighWire, and creator of the documentaries Vaxxed and An Inconvenient Study. Del shares how his upbringing, career in media, and unexpected path into health advocacy shaped his work around transparency, informed consent, and open debate in science and medicine.

This conversation also reflects on the personal and spiritual side of advocacy, including Del’s friendship with Dr. Jim Meehan, the origins of The HighWire, the impact of Vaxxed, the importance of community, and the ongoing work to help families ask better questions, seek truth, and make informed decisions.

This conversation covers:

• Del Bigtree’s path from media and television into public health advocacy
• The story behind Vaxxed and its impact on families and the vaccine conversation
• How The HighWire began and why independent media matters
• The role of faith, purpose, and courage in difficult public conversations
• The importance of informed consent and parental decision-making
• Reflections on Dr. Jim Meehan’s legacy and his role in the health freedom movement
• An Inconvenient Study and the ongoing discussion around vaccinated versus unvaccinated health outcomes
• MAHA, glyphosate, RFK Jr., and current conversations around health, policy, and accountability

For parents, caregivers, and health-conscious families, this episode is an invitation to stay curious, ask thoughtful questions, and seek wisdom as you make decisions for your family. Listen in, share with someone who is wrestling with these topics, and be encouraged to pursue truth with courage and grace.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

I love to interview movers and shakers, and today's guest is someone who's been at the center of some of the most controversial conversations in public health and media. He is an Emmy Award-winning producer and investigative journalist. He has spent years challenging the mainstream narratives. He advocates for transparency, informed consent, and open debate in science and medicine. I'm joined by Del Bigtree. He's the creator and host of The Highwire and the Must See Documentaries, Vaxed and an Inconvenient Study. I want to welcome you all to the Mehan Mission podcast, where we explore the intersection of faith, science, truth, and health. And who better than Dell Bigtree to join in our conversation? So let's get started and let's welcome Dell to the show. Well, everyone, today I have the man, the myth, the legend, Dell Bigtree. Dell, thank you so much for joining me today. It's great to have you.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

It's great to be here, Kathy. I'm looking forward to this.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Good, good, good. I know that we've both been flying all around the States, you all the time. And I just really take this opportunity to thank you for all that you have done and all that you will continue to do to help educate the people, just um being the brave person that you are and spreading that braveness to everyone else. So let's start with that, Dale. Okay. You are brave and you don't step down. So what is it that sparked that personality or that character trait that you have of never giving up, of always telling the truth? I mean, were you born that way, or did your mama teach it to you?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

You know, that's that's probably the biggest question I grapple, really honestly. You know, nature uh versus nurture. Um I do wonder what I am, you know, is just a natural being. Would I have had ethics or morals or things? I had parents, my mom especially, that were very, very committed to um raising children. And uh in a very specific way. My my mom knew she was raising us different than anyone she'd ever met before. And, you know, it was sort of my I think my mom and dad were on a really powerful, you know, spiritual trip coming out of the 60s, you know, they're hippies, not not like the drug hippies, but more like the political activists. And uh and apparently they were different things, which is uh interesting. I don't think a lot of people know that. But um, they were getting deep into some spiritual work, a lot of dream interpretation, Bible reading, and uh they raised us to believe we could change the that that not just we could change the world, that we were here to change the world. Um, good. And so, you know, I I I've said it, you know, I I I gave a talk um in San Diego with at Tracy Slepsovic's event, the um Autism Health Summit. And uh, you know, up until Vaxed, uh there's a lot of cool things that happened in my life. And I I did I was in theater in New York, I was into performing. I, you know, got the Broadway Touring Company and Hair, uh the musical, uh sort of ironically, to play a hippie uh like the parents I'd grown up with. Um, but I always had, and you know, I won an Emmy Award at the doctors, but I always had this hole I couldn't quite fill. Um, that I really I just had this profound sense that I hadn't found my calling and was even doing, you know, there was a men's group in California uh where a great Native American guy was doing sweat lodges and we would all sweat together once a month and pray and chant. And um, you know, I every my prayer was the same every time. Like I want to find that thing I'm supposed to be doing. And uh I'm sure, I'm so completely sure it was vaxxed. I mean, when I, you know, through all the miracle of that I told, it was great, it was a lot of fun to tell that story, so many beautiful details. But the moment I sat and finally saw this documentary and sitting in Andy Wakefield's basement, um, I had a really just a unique thought, which is not only am I qualified to make the adjustments to this film that it needs, I actually thought, given how I was raised, the work I'd done on the doctors, how many people have made science into entertainment. There's there was probably about 15 total, the the team working on Dr. Oz and the team working on the doctors, and I was on the doctors. So, and then would have understood this topic. So, yeah, I felt like of all the people in the world, I'm the single most qualified person for this one very specific task, um, which was uh a life passing before your eyes moment um that I still grapple with, uh, which is it seemed like every failure and every success, the ones I cried about, my I didn't end up being Steven Spielberg, the filmmaker I thought I was going to be. Um and it just seemed like everything was designing me for this moment. I truly felt like God had been preparing me. Um, and so the old the other the old other biggest question is you know, people say, you know, how'd you get where you are? Or kids will come up, you know, I'm I'm getting the film or theater or whatever, you know, how do you get success? And you know, I honestly wonder, was there any other door to a successful life that I somehow walked past or missed? Um, or were all those missed opportunities like they had to be missed because there was one thing I was here to do? I don't know. Um that's why I I really contemplate that a lot.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Yeah, well, I I feel you because I am whoever thought I'd be doing a podcast or running a clinic, or you know, taking over, you know, the legacy that Jim had built. And it's but I look back and I see like all these little stepping stones, if you want to call it, the the things that God presented and the doors that were opened, the doors that were closed. And and I think I don't we won't ever really know what our final plan is until the very last day. We will not know, but but I know the plan that you are on is working.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

It's working. It's fun. I mean, and I'm having I'm really enjoying myself. So you know, that's about the only test you have, right? I always say to people, are you happy? Like if they're talking about what they're doing, uh, are you filled with joy? Um, because if not, you know, I've got to believe we're all we're all um have the same birthright, right? Yes. Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. So absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

And I I encourage people, you get you find your purpose, and you wake up every morning and you ask God to direct your feet, give you wisdom, uh, give you discernment, and you walk in that direction, and then he might turn you to another direction or introduce you to another contact or something like that. But um, you're right. Have have fun doing it, have joy, create the community, which you know, really vaxxed. I just vaxxed is what changed my life. It changed Jim's life. And um, you know, he was already kind of a critical thinker, so he knew that there was something wrong with the whole childhood vaccination schedule. And so when vaxxed came out, and I, you know, I remember Dell in the theater, we were in Oklahoma City. And when the movie ended, it was just dead silence. Nobody said anything. And it was like I that sparked so many things for so many people. And that's really what you know. Jim was like, I'm not gonna be silent anymore. And we need to get out and and tell the message. And did you ever think because now Vaxxed is 10 year anniversary? I can't believe that. 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Yeah, I know. Yeah, April 1st, this month, April 1st. Uh, our first screening at Angela Fil uh Angelica Film Center in New York.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Did you have any idea, any idea that you would create this momentous movement that's not even close to stopping?

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Um well, first of all, uh I was only a vessel. I still watch that film every once in a while. Someone will have it, you know, pull it out, or I'll go to an event where they're showing it. And I'm in awe every time I watch it. I have the same thought I had when we really had finally locked the picture. We'd I'd told the story how we'd run out of time. It was we were being there was no, you know, we had an opening night date and uh there was just no more futzing with it. But I watched the last version of it, um, and uh and I just thought who made that film? Because that is better than any of the three people that I sat in the room with while we made it. That's that's better than any of us were capable of. Something really special has happened there. I think that, you know, it's a bit like they talk about sculpting, right? The sculpture is always there, all you did was pull the stone out of the way that was in the way. I think that's I think that's what great art is. So it's really hard to take credit for it. Um, you know, obviously we were the ones that, you know, allowed that to come through. But I will say, yes, when I sat, first of all, I mean, I told the story, there were like biblical-sized miracles happening in my life that even put me in the room to be looking at that documentary upon a direct request and prayer to be involved in this whistleblower story I was seeing. I had no idea there was already a documentary, and then it just came to me. So I really felt like you know, God's hand was already really uh heavy on my shoulder. But when I watched it, um I just thought this movie is going to change everything. This is going to be big. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't have an image of it. I didn't know it would be a movement. I just thought this is good. If I do what I can do with this, um this is gonna be a big deal. And it was kind of very general like that. Yeah. Well, it's a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

And if anybody hasn't seen Vaxxed yet, start there.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

Yeah, go to thehiwire.com. Yeah, hit up hit the little hamburger, search and get in the search and just type in Vaxxed. You can watch it for free. Uh it's it's start there. It's still a it's just an amazing movie.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

So from Vaxxed, is that where the Highwire came in? Because I heard, did it start in a closet in California when you started the Highwire? Tell me a little bit about the very beginnings of the Highwire. Because I also so I mean, you are such a uh superhero in this in this field, in this area, because I send people to Vaxxed, I send people to the high wire, and then we'll briefly we'll touch on an inconvenience study in a little bit too. But those are, I mean, those are so powerful. What made you decide to do the high wire? Because that was genius. That really was genius what you did.

SPEAKER_00 12:14

Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I really want to uh credit, you know, somebody else. Um, Tony Sweet, it was his idea. I'll explain. Um, we had just I started I can. I can was really um a product of having met Aaron Seary and realizing that there was going to be a legal way to get into courtrooms, and that was the only way we were going to get the evidence and science that was being hidden from us. How do I get the how do I pry it out of the government's hands since they're giving liability protection? This whole thing is such a sham. You know, I know it's a house of cards, but I cannot get to the foundation of it. So when I met Aaron, um, that was a miracle. Another just as big, well, you know, tectonic miracle, you know. So um that was just gonna be a nonprofit. We were gonna do legal work, and I was gonna continue just flying around and do more legislation and talking to legislators to try and get legislation changes to happen. And um the one of the primary sponsors that had sponsored Vax loved the legal approach. Um, and so I, you know, I would do podcasts and be on anyone's show or try to get on the news. And I happened to be on a podcast, I don't even remember which podcast would be fun to go back, probably be important for a book someday. But I was on some podcasts, and there's there was this podcasting studio at uh I was at I at the doctors, I'd been at Paramount Studios, but just up the street. Um I'm trying to remember, was it a Warner Studio? But anyway, there was a studio lot there, but this guy had rented out this whole area and he had like six podcasting studios. And so this person was just, you know, they had the cameras all pre-set up, but they were like little closets. They were just like these little closets, a couple little lights, and maybe one or two cameras. And I did this interview with this woman, and I got down and I was leaving, and the owner of the podcasting studio, Tony Sweet, said, Hey, uh, you were fantastic. You you should do you have a podcast? I said, No, I he and he's like, Oh, you should do your own podcast. And uh, I was like, Oh, thank you. You know, as a compliment, and I went to walk out the door, and he blocked the door, and he said, No, I am I'm not kidding. I mean, like, I'm so serious about this, I'm not gonna let you leave until you pick a time to try doing a podcast here. In fact, he's like, I'll take on all the costs, I'm not gonna charge you. I want you to see what you can do here. And he had it's almost like a TV, he had chant, he had like five rooms and then the dates, and then the time, like all a Greek, you know, uh grid. And there's only a few open spots. He was doing pretty good. And I just I saw Thursday at 11 a.m. It was in Pacific. I was like, all right, I'll try that Thursday slot right there. He's like, Great, I'll see you next Thursday. And uh that's how it happened. It was just totally accidental. I decided, well, I don't know what I'll talk about. So I just thought my wife has been in the shadows through all of this back stuff. Why don't I interview her? So I had her on um my COO Kat uh Layton uh for the nonprofit we'd started for legal work, was trying to like just to get together a script. And I think she grabbed her husband Patrick and said, Hey, we need, you know, we need some to sort of handle the tech side. And uh the very first one I did, I suddenly was like, Oh, I should have done this a long time ago. Um, and then the second week, then I was like, Oh, I want to do a real that was great with my wife, that was awesome. People, and there was like, you know, a couple hundred people watching. It was great. Yeah. And then uh the next week I got, I wanted to get more, I was like, if I'm gonna do this, let's get controversial. So I brought on Tony Muhammad, uh, the head of the California chapter of the um um Nation of Islam, who had also stood with us on this vaccine issue uh several times. Uh, he came on, and then we had a thousand people watching, you know, and so it kind of went like, but then we were just off and running, and I haven't missed a Thursday uh since. So that was 2000, early 2017. And but just like a lot of things was just sort of handed to me at exactly the right time. We we didn't know how we were going to get the public to understand the lawsuits that we were winning because the media wasn't gonna cover it, and the high wire just seemed like a perfect tool. So it was just one camera. The walls were just a little bit further than I could spread my arms out, and we, you know, had a little banner that we made that went behind me that said the high wire. And I remember we were trying to think of a name, and uh, you know, I I like you know the wire, like the wire is always a news thing, like Daily Wire had a thing, and blah, blah, blah. And then I just thought the high wire sounds cool. Uh and I was driving and I didn't know why. Just like, you know, I think the high wire, let's you know, the high wire, and I'm driving in and we we want a slogan, and I said, uh high above the circus of mainstream news, you know, death-defying talk. The high wire perfect, you know, yes, yes, so it's a little risky up there, it's a little risky up there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Yeah, that's right. Oh my that's crazy because just uh again, I always point people. I'm like, we're central time, so it's every Thursday, one o'clock.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

And and if you can't make that, then you know, it's recorded and go to thehighwire.com. So I mean, then you know, people, if you would have been watching the highwire during COVID, you would have known all about Ivermectin and you would have known everything that we know. So it's because you guys, you tell, you dig, you find the truth, you present it, you ease the fear so that people don't need to fear things. And you know, you stay on top of things and you educate. I mean, which is so important. So um, so I don't want to get too sentimental here. Yeah, but um, my dear husband, Jim Meehan, uh guest hosted your show.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

I think he's the I believe have we He's the only one besides besides Jeffrey, besides who was not already on the team. I think Jim's the only guy that we ever had guests host the show.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Truth is Yeah, he let everybody know.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

I was I was grooming him, by the way. I was grooming him for his own show. I don't know if I ever told him that, but uh there wasn't a better speaker out there. There isn't, I mean, you want to talk about a warrior, um, just a true, a true brother. A lot of this has felt like a war. And there's very few people. It is a war. There's very few people like, you know, it's sort of like Braveheart that you're like just laying there, you know, uh broken and beaten and sweating. And uh I just always felt I still do feel Jim with me.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Um yeah. Oh, he's yeah, he's with me every single day. He's yeah in my photos, and he's there uh every single day. And I just know, yeah, that was his bucket list to do that. And um, I thank you so much for you know filling that bucket of his because uh he was very he was very proud of that. He loved you like a brother, and um, so we won't stay too much on that.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

But let's um let's let me look look, I think it's important to think to realize we don't know how long we're here. And it's a huge part of how I approach my day. Like I really don't have some expectation that I get a long life. Sometimes I wonder if I just if if it's going to be cut short simply because I'm so inspired to get so much done every day. Like what is my, you know, what is that fire? It burns like a fire for me. Um so only only you know, only God decides that. Like everyone will say, are you are you afraid for your life? Um, no. No. God, God's gonna decide uh what my last day is. I just want to make sure I did everything that day that I could. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

And yeah, so that's and and I, you know, love everybody that you encounter. Love everybody that you encounter, because that's you know, that's that's the big thing is um it and that's how we're gonna get through this. Yeah. That's you know, which we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

I took that to another level, even the talk I gave. Like I said, the people that, you know, I went through all the people that if any one of them had said no, Bax might have not been made, and two of them, one was Senator Richard Pan. Love that guy. Who uh, you know, who brought SB277. Without him, I don't know that I'm here. I think I might have I I might have just sort of stayed, you know, with my cushy little Emmy Award-winning career and gone that direction, but he came after me, came after my kid. We weren't vaccinated. I wasn't something I talked about. We were just a small, a quiet group of people living our lives, you know, our way. But when he decided I'm gonna take that life away from you, he unearthed the monster. And frankly, I I'll still say this to all the people out there that fight us. If you want us to go away, take away mandates, let everyone decide what they wanna do, and then I will move on to other things. Uh, you are making me tell everyone why I don't vaccinate. You are making me talk about the science. Because you're attacking my way of life. So, but I celebrate Senator Pan. I celebrated Jane Rosenthal for kicking backs out of Tribeca. Because if she hadn't done that, we wouldn't have gotten, you know, a billion dollars in free press across the world, which literally went on for a year. So it made, it was sold out audiences. That is what you know. We couldn't have afforded any advertising. So instead, vaxxed was mentioned in headlines every other day in every major newspaper in the world. So thank you, Jane. Couldn't have done it without I'd give her a big bear hug if I got to.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Well, it's just it's just crazy how this like rolls into it rolls, it rolled into the Vax B. I mean, another marketing tool that you would have never gone from theater to theater and interviewing parents and then realizing it's not just the MMR vaccine, it's all these other vaccines that are causing these problems. Right. So, which is, you know, there's those, that's that God's plan there working his way into our lives, and we're just uh obedient to every day.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

That was really, I'll never forget, I was sitting in the airport with Polly, and she said, Man, we're spending a lot of money flying to all of these screenings. I want, I want a bus. So can you imagine if we just like had a bus and we just drive around with the bus and it says vaxxed on the side of it? It was that was her brainstorm, and and she made it happen. Like she she so manifested that to happen. Um Yeah. It was great.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Did you go through more than one bus?

SPEAKER_00 23:34

I mean, or there uh we should have. That first bus. No, it really, there was really one vaxxed bus, and they bought a new bus to do the vaxxed unvaxxed tour like two years ago or so. But no, that vaxxed bus, we didn't know when we bought it, had been a um, it had all sorts of problems. The half the side of it fell off when we were bringing it from New Orleans to Texas before we even wrapped it. Oh no. And uh it was it was a rust bucket. And and at one point on the road, it was it was crazy. We started seeing more and more of the road and the crap, like like the whole shell that was attached to chassis, all the wells were just slowly like coming off, so that the whole shell of the bus was about anyway. Someone looked at it like, oh, this is a Katrina bus. Um, apparently the bus had probably been underwater for some time. We did not know that.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

So it had issues. And by the grace of God, I would say Patrick Leighton, the bus driver, and uh a new it was our media guy, also had a bit of a knack with spark plugs and things, and that it was it was a wig and a prayer every day we were in that bus, but it held up.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

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SPEAKER_00 26:00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

What's the update on that?

SPEAKER_00 26:05

Well, I mean, the film has been a spectacular hit. You know, we've uh it's it's got near, you know, somewhere around 100 million views worldwide. Wow. Um, which is astounding. I have watched debates in the Australian Parliament on the other side of the world over the Henry Ford study. What was amazing about that moment is it's, you know, um a senator there asks about the Henry Ford study, which, you know, clearly he's kind of on our side, so I understand why he would know about it. But the health department had an immediate answer that it hadn't been published and all these details. And I was like, that's Australia, the head of the health department knows about the Henry Ford study. And I reached out to that uh senator in Australia. I was like, did you pre-submit your questions? Like, no, that was live. I did not tell them what I was going to talk about. So that shows you how far and wide I think the Henry Ford study got uh because of that film and because of the Senator Johnson hearing. Um, I think more important than being the biggest study comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated, is I think it's achieved something we may never, I hope that's not true, but we may never see again, which is sort of the opposing position. A pro-vaccine, self-proclaimed, I'm saying that because he says it himself in the hidden camera footage, in a self-proclaimed pro-vaccine institution did a vaxxed versus unvaxxed study, which says to me the only reason they're doing it is obviously think they they they're gonna be able to show that the vaccinated are healthier. And if there's a bias in science, and bias can affect science, which I think it does, it's one of my you know beeps with science. Um, you would have to imagine they did everything possible to get the best result for the vaccinated they can, or you know, could. And when you then see that study, it ends up being one of the most horrifying and damning studies of the vaccine program that has ever been done. And so that is what makes that so incredibly unique. And and I talked about it at that, you know, I've been talking about it is you know, a lot of people told me stop challenging the mainstream science body to do a vaxxed versus unvaxxed study. They'll just cheat. They'll cheat that study. They'll, you know, yeah, but they they can't even cheat that.

SPEAKER_02 28:41

They can't even the results are so conclusive. Well, I don't know if you want to use that word, but they're they're so alarming that you you can't even cheat it. You can't cheat your way out of it.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

You know what? You know, after I mean, after Vax sort of toured for some time, and I've since had the opportunity to meet with um um, oh my god. Dr. William Thompson, uh CDC. And uh and he told me once that they were at the CDC, they were revaluating, you know, the um the studies that he had done that we said showed this connection to autism. They were trying to manipulate it in a way to show that it didn't show that. And uh, and in the end, that study never came out because in Thompson's own words, he said that data is kryptonite. And I I think this this this has to be the problem, is that this would have been, I say in the film, I say it everywhere I speak. The easiest study in the world really to do would be to just compare kids that are vaccinated to those that aren't. And if you there is no study in the world that shows that the vaccine are healthier, which is the entire purpose of that program, it's not for lack of trying. They must have done that study a million times in databases around the world. I think the data is kryptonite. And I man, I just, I just, it's frustrating how long it's the the media and the the the religion around this is going to block this because it is is now so blatantly clear we're that this program is poisoning children.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I was I was having this conversation with some girls yesterday, and you know, they have vaccine-injured children that are in their 20s. They're in their 20s. So that's 20 years that they've been fighting for truth and justice and you know, solutions. And then I think of, and I just want to, you know, remember uh it was uh Marianne Puckett, her son, uh Stephen, I believe it's from Oklahoma City. He would he's probably in his 40s right now. That means that 40 years had gone by on this vaccination program from the government. And we're still trying to get it worked out. We're still trying to prove that vaccines are causing and yes, okay, everybody, for the disclaimer, it's not just vaccines, but we know that the majority of them, especially regressive autism, look it's a primary contributor.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Let's just say it's a primary contributor to autism.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Yeah, which even McCullough's report showed that it was vaccines were the primary, you know.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

So if you fix that, yeah, that would that would bring the greatest reduction in autism over all other environmental toxic toxicities and issues.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Yeah. So I mean we just we just need to worry about that. But you know, so also let's talk about some of the wins that we've had. Some wins that we won that we had to take back. Um briefly, Bobby Kennedy, who knew he'd be HHS secretary? I mean, God did, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:11

God did. I I sure did not. I did know. I mean, I it was very it was very similar to when you asked me about Baxed. You know, obviously I I had a very strong, I don't know, premonition hit. Uh in 2020, I first asked Bobby to run for president. I had a meeting with a set up with him. I knew he was gonna be in DC, and Aaron Siri and I sat him down and said, you should run for president. It would, it would bring this into the the limelight. And uh he thought about it for a little while and then just you know got you know didn't do it then. It would it would have been for the 2020 election, so just before that. Um but uh when he finally did decide to run, he called me and said, Look, remember that idea you had? And and I'll I'll tell you, on his bad days, when things are really bad, he makes sure to blame it on me. You gotta blame somebody. This is your fault. This is your idea. Um, but yeah, when and I and I I truly, when he put his hand on that Bible, uh swearing in as HHS secretary, what a great honor in my life to be in the Oval Office watching that happen. And um, it truly was just overwhelming the thought that this is bigger than anything I had ever dreamed. And I kind of put it, we, as far as I know, had ever dreamed was possible. But the whole time we were running for president, you know, I don't know that we knew he'd be president, but I did know it was it wasn't for nothing that this was gonna end in some big important way. It just we had too many doors opening for us to think that, you know, again, that God's hand wasn't in it, and God doesn't usually fail. So I was curious the whole time. We just kept saying, yes, oh we're not Democrats, we weren't gonna go independent. Oh, yeah, you know, I guess we're joining Donald Trump, you know, and so it was just just taking it as it comes, which I I keep doing, you know. We could talk about the rally a little bit too, but you know, there was a very unique experience that happened on Monday that I think is another tectonic shift that um has me reworking what I thought were the next moves, you know.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

So are you talking about the uh people versus poison?

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Poison, yeah. The glyphosate.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

The glyphosate issue. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Yeah, that was uh that was an amazing rally we had because I I honestly want to say, and if someone can correct this, there was almost pretty balanced Republicans and Democrats, if you will, conservatives and liberals standing side by side at the microphone on that issue. I don't know anything else that has achieved that in the last 10 years at least, you know, where that where we were able to be united on a topic, celebrate that we were sort of united. It it was really a special moment. And I'm still grappling with what is, you know, how do we capitalize on that and what does that mean? What what can we do with that shift and how important is that shift?

SPEAKER_02 35:19

So yeah, you know, I'll tell you what um I'm concerned about is if we go back to 1986 and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, where whatever information Reagan was fed, he signed that, gave the pharmaceutical companies, you know, uh exemption from liability. And that was a slippery slope because that's where we are now, where we're, you know, 70 something, 80-something vaccines, however you want to count them. And then Dear President Trump signs I call it the glyphosate act to remove liability. And you know, that's a slippery slope. Now I do think the advantage is the media that we've got, the podcast, the independent media, um, the willingness, like you said, people from both sides of the aisle are are really finally waking up. Uh where do you where do you see this going? I mean, are we gonna are we gonna be able to stop this before it's too late?

SPEAKER_00 36:27

I mean, again, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. That that's in God's hands. And and look, if it gets passed, then I will say it's God's will and it's there to wake us up, like SB 277 did, you know. Um we, you know, I I it really had a I mean the DC has really affected me, and I haven't fully come to terms with it. But I did 20 interviews, I think, uh, with media. They don't understand what's going on. They're like, wait, does this mean Maha is not going to support Trump? I said, this means Maha is a movement of the people, and the politics is only, you know, an avenue through which, you know, people that want help are using, but you know, I don't think it's aligned necessarily with a party. Um, but I just thought, you know, the questions I get asked really, I I, you know, I equate it most to being like a surfer. I'm a surfer. And I get asked questions, you know, are there gonna be 10 foot waves today? Like, how the hell do I know? You know what I mean? Like, all I know, all I know is I have a long board in my car, and I have a short board, I have a medium board. And if they're two foot waves, we'll be surfing. I'll be I'll be surfing those two-foot waves better than anyone you've ever seen. And if it's five feet or ten feet, we we really get caught up, I think, at what I mean in this. We get caught up in the part of this we do not control. Um, you know, we don't control what party is aligning with it. We don't try, I mean, as much as it would be really convenient if this stays in like one party or one, you know, but life doesn't work that way. And so you just keep going back to the car and grabbing a better tool for the moment. And so I think that that's uh that's what I've done all along the way. That's what this is. It's it's really fascinating. Um, so it's it's it's a beautiful moment. Yeah, it would be very I wasn't there for the 86 act, and I do know what I mean. I have a sense of what Ronald Reagan was told, and let's remember Barbara Lowe Fisher and a bunch of injured people too, you know, what she believed was going on. Uh, but ultimately we're watching the exact same play. You had Ronald Reagan being told by the pharmaceutical industry we're gonna we're we're losing so much money from death and injury cases we can't make a profit. So we are going to pull all of the vaccines. That'll be on your head. Now remember, the part of it no one really talks about is it wasn't just about Reagan being worried about ending the childhood vaccine program, which is, you know, even today and then we're still considered the greatest advancement in modern health, and America was obviously a leader in that. But even more so, you have to remember we were really entering the biological weapons age. We were moving out of a nuclear weapon concern and moving into a biological weapon concern. And I think the real threat was, you know, was coming, and I think it was a Pentagon issue, which is if we if we allow them to boycott making back or stop making vaccines or take that manufacturing somewhere else, vaccines will be the only way we'd really be able to defend ourselves against a biological attack, and we would have no way to ramp up a uh ironically, probably to warp speed a vaccine onto the market in that moment. So that was a very, you know, in honesty, that was a selling point. It'd be a hard, it'd be hard to to not succumb to that threat. And equally, I mean, I see what they've done to Trump. We will destroy every farm in America that uses glyphosate by withdrawing, you know, their access to it if you don't protect us. So we we're we continue in America to really struggle with a too a too big to fail issue, meaning they can blackmail presidents and get away with it. You know, oh sure, we lied about the real estate and we gave out crappy loans and lied to the world and you know, but you're not bailing the citizens out, or we're we'll take our bank somewhere else. You're gonna bail us out, right? And so that happened. And so it just it's the same thing. We we we we've allowed corporate interest to get so entrenched and so monopolized, frankly, that there's not even a competitor to be found so that you could survive if Bear Monsanto walked. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Well, so where's the person saying just make a better product and phase out and phase things out? Just make a better product, make a safer product.

SPEAKER_00 41:13

I mean, oh that's a big I would I would guess you'd have to imagine since I you know said it at the speech and I gave it in DC, we've known this product causes cancer publicly since the WHO uh gave it the cancer rating of probably causes um probably cause ingenic to human beings, the second highest cancer rating there is in 2015. So it's been 11 years they had to make a better product. Um I am I would imagine they're at the drawing boards. I would imagine they're they're not only all their eggs in one basket, they're probably working on some other totally toxic poison and figuring out how to fake the science on that so they could get that through a regulatory agency. Um, but I think look, all of these, all of these things have problems.

unknown 42:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 42:03

Yes, they do.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

And so I guess they're like, now that you're looking, and now that you know how to look, and now that you know how to question us, and certainly while Robert Kennedy Jr. is in there, there's none nothing we're making is gonna you know get through the gauntlet. So we might as well go guns blazing to protect the one that we have.

SPEAKER_02 42:21

Well, yeah, I I understand that tactic and and just hopefully with consumer awareness, um, you know, that's where we're gonna make the difference. It's you know, for that. But but I wanted you um talking about Bobby Kennedy and because I was sitting on the plane, chatting it up with a male nurse, ICU nurse, who was very much, if you want to call it on our side, you know, um, you know, vaccines are harmful, COVID was a scam, all this other stuff. He said, uh, so I asked him, I said, Well, what do you think about Bobby Kennedy? And he said, you know, I don't know about Bobby Kennedy. So I tried to explain the analogy that you had said, I heard recently, about playing pool and the billiard balls.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

Will you please say that? Because that was phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Well, you know, I I, you know, look at life. I've said this to my kids. Um, people are like, why isn't he doing blah blah blah? Why, why, why not the vaccine? Why the food? Why the chemical dyes? Why the, you know, um plastics and all these, I mean, look, by the way, let me just make this clear while we're on record, we still have time. Robert Kenney Jr. has done more for the health of Americans in one year than every HHS secretary put together in my lifetime. I would stand by that. I have watched because I've been reporting on it, reported on these things at the doctors, reported on heavy metal in the baby food. That's not a news story. There's been, you know, there's been five HHS secretaries. That came in and left knowing that that was a problem and did nothing.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

And not doing anything.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

So he's doing those things. But what I said, you know, and it's sort of my I have some simple philosophies in life. One of them is I look at it like a game of playing pool, like let's just call eight ball. I've played with people that get really cute when they have a ball right next to the, you know, the pocket, they leave that one there, you know, and they're gonna go for their hard shots so that they got the easy one and then they'll be set up for the eight ball, right? So they skip the easy one, they go for the harder shot, and then they miss that harder shot, and then I come back and I win. And I've said to my kid, don't get that cute with your life. Shoot the balls that you can make, shoot the easy ones, get all the easy ones out of the way, and you just might find after hitting one of those easy ones, the ball comes and puts itself in a really easy position on what was previously a hard shot. Um, and that is how I would describe what Bobby's doing. Bobby is moving the needle everywhere where it's easy. I think the reduction down to the Denmark schedule, that's a massive lift that he some people are shocked didn't give him enough credit for. But look at you saw, like, why doesn't he just wipe out the whole vaccine program? You saw what happened when he just reduced it. I mean, a lawsuit from the American Academy of Pediatrics, activist Juggs takes him out, takes out ASIP. So that's what he's up against. And he's got internal conflicts. I think I think it's pretty obvious. You know, it's I don't it's not like Bobby's told me this, but clearly Trump has a soft spot for his warp-speeded COVID vaccine, which is probably the most dangerous vaccine ever made. I mean, the first thing I would have done is gotten rid of that mRNA technology. Bob is a fraud, he's a sellout. If that was the first thing, and let's be really clear, if that was the first thing you had done, that would be the only day you'd have that job, right? And so you'd be gone before the ink dried, it would be erased, and and that vaccine wouldn't even go anywhere. And so Bobby's smarter than that. Let's at least give him credit for that. So he's gonna get done what he can. You know, there's also I have another analogy that I learned that's affected my whole life. I went for a a gun training um one time. I when I decided, yeah, I'd be interested to take a gun classes in in all places LA, and there was a guy that could give you this. Yeah, believe it or not. Uh it's outside, and there's like this SWAT house. And so you learn the whole day. I learned it's the first gun I ever shot, learned how to you know pull a Glock, shoot a Glock, and then you go over to the SWAT house, and the guy says something stuck with me. He's like, we're gonna go into a live fire situation, like you're gonna be using live rounds. I'm gonna have your shirt, I mean, behind you, making sure you don't, you know, hurt yourself. But he gave us the rules. He said, this is how everyone in SWAT enters a building. And he said, here's the scenario. Let's say, you know, he says, first of all, if you're one person going to a house of multiple assailants, your odds of survival are just this side of zero. Just this side of zero. So the number one recommendation is call the police and get them here and get them to do it. But let's say your daughter's been abducted, you know she's in this building, you know you have no time and you're willing to risk everything. He said, I'm going to tell you the only way, the people that survive, this is how they survive. And so it was really interesting, and people that, you know, know guns, probably better than me, will you know, probably know this. But he said, first of all, as soon as you kick that door open, this has begun. Do not, you better be ready to move. Don't like open it and then think, because now you're framed and you're the easiest target there is in the world. But he said, what you're gonna do is you're gonna get through the door and go to the nearest wall, put your shoulder on that wall, and you're going to shoot anything that's directly down that wall, and you're gonna slide all the way down that wall quickly. And he said, and now there may be someone, this is what's fascinating, maybe someone in the corner of the room that's shooting at you, but you can't worry about them. You are just gonna clear this wall, you're gonna turn on the next wall, slide down that wall, and that one in the corner, you're not gonna get to until you're on the third wall. And he said, now what you want to do, your instinct is to turn and try and face whoever's shooting at you. But the moment you do that, you've stopped, and now everyone in that room is going to take you out and you're dead. And he's like, You're probably being hit. You're being hit by bullets, and people do, but you will start, you know, if you're gonna survive, you're gonna survive that until you've cleared every wall, means you do every room that way. And it's the same exact principle, really, which is shoot the target in front of you. Don't get cute, don't try to guess what's happening in another room, and don't worry about what's in the corner of the room making problems for you. Stay focused on finishing the task directly in front of you, and then move on to the next one. So those are a couple of double tree little, you know, um wisdom nuggets there. Wisdom nuggets.

unknown 49:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

Yes, yes, absolutely. That my favorite thing is hashtag be brave. That's like yes, that's which is true because you know, that was that was a thing, is when you have community that really like encourages you and gives you more confidence to speak up. And the more somebody, you know, especially if you're a shy person, you know, just start planting seeds for people of, you know, hey, have you ever seen the high wire? You know, I get a lot of information from the high wire. You should check it out. That's all you have to do is just plant seeds. And because those seeds are growing like weeds now. And it's just, you know, the amount of people that are questioning the entire vaccine schedule, you know, thank you, COVID, for being that, you know, blessing in disguise, which brought so many people together. So I think, you know, we really can't depend on the government to wipe out the vaccine schedule. They're not gonna wipe it out. Um, it's just like I, you know, you can't go to your pediatrician and tell the pet pediatrician why vaccines are bad. They're so biased, they're not going to listen to you. And you're really gonna, I think, come from the consumer level. It's people have to stop going to their pediatricians or people have to stop buying glyphosate.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

People have to start purchasing organic foods, stop buying fruity pebbles. And it's, you know, that's where we'll probably make the most impact. It's not as fast as just, you know, having the government wipe it out. But I just I don't think that's gonna happen from the government.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

It's the government is not never gonna be, should not be the arbiter of health that doesn't decide what health is. Uh, we need to take it into our own hands. You know, I'd love to see the mandates taken away. Um, I'm not here to re you know, I've I've I've been saying lately, you know, I didn't name my nonprofit the you know vaccines or rat, you know, the vaccines eradication network. It's the informed consent action network. I want choice. If you want vaccines, go right ahead. You want to vaccinate your kids? Yes. You know, I'll make sure the science, you can see it is for what it's worth, but that's your choice to free country. And frankly, like I even, you know, there's a part of me that knows there must be people that would be guided by God for some reason to protect their child in that way. Maybe they're vulnerable. I don't know. I'm not gonna get in the way of other people's connection and what they're guided to do. But I should be able to live my life as I'm guided to live my life and how I'm guided to raise my kids. And if I can't, then I don't live in a free country. I then then then the founding father's dream is already dead. Um that's what I'm fighting. I'm fighting for freedom. I'm not really necessarily, I I think the tip of the iceberg is health, it's why I use it, but ultimately um I'm fighting for the Constitution of the United States of America. Yeah, yeah, it's the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights, really, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:16

Yeah. Well, and it's like if if you don't have your health, I mean, you you don't have the energy to get up in the morning to fulfill your purpose or to even open up that door and see if that's the door you're supposed to go through, or to raise your kids or your grandchildren and um, you know, and teach them, which we need to do um a better job with what information is fed to our children. And I just ask that all parents, you know, that is a that job is a gift from God. And you only have so many years with your children, and just to make that um number one your purpose every day when you wake up is to protect your children. Absolutely protect your children because those little humans are gonna grow up and be big humans. They are, and we want them to be productive in the world, absolutely. I know your kids have gotten so big too.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

It's like an understatement. My son is six, five and a half feet tall. I mean, I don't know. I I'm I'm I'm pro I always say I'm six feet. I might be exaggerating by a millimeter or two, but I'm right about six feet tall, and he just shot past me um with a vengeance. I mean, kid is huge. It's so weird to hug your own son like you're hugging Paul Bunyan.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Yeah. Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

Well, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

I I'm sure they're going to um be well versed in health, nutrition, fighting for your rights, and that you and Lee have raised them well.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

Most definitely. So do you um is there anything I've missed?

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Well, I mean, you know, we we touched on it. I do want people to know, you can go watch an inconvenience study at an inconvenience study.com. Um, I think it's, you know, I spend my life trying to figure out how to make this very complicated problem and issue as understandable and reasonable as I possibly can. And I would say that an inconvenient study is the pinnacle achievement of that goal. I don't think there's a film that has ever been made that more clearly lays out the issue, has the right amount of you know, dramatic intrigue, especially with the hidden camera footage of Dr. Zervos, is nearly 20 or 30 minutes of it. It is a fascinating. Even if you didn't come away with the central theme, I don't think you've really seen undercover footage where you really see uh an internal struggle that this scientist is going through in a very real way. I've watched people argue over whether he's evil or pathetic or dangerous or benevolent. Um uh it's it's really a very interesting uh human study. And the movie came together beautifully and it's free. Yeah. It's free, yes. We have little business cards you can buy at an incommunistudy.com. You can hand out with the QR code and the uh website so that every, you know, anyone you see, everyone you're questions starts having a conversation like that pediatrician, or you know, with a guy you met on the plane and say, Hey, check this out. Yes, it's uh it's a r it's the it's a really well-crafted tool for um, I think, ex expanding this conversation.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

Yeah. Well, you know, and and you point out like, so was he is he an evil doctor? Is he selfish? Is he what the thing that you know we have open arms for people that realize if they have made a mistake. I mean, it's I don't want to say it's okay you made a mistake, but it's okay to acknowledge that you've made the mistake and then let's start correcting what we've done. And just, you know, it's I just want people to know.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Look, there's pediatricians now that are, you know, turning and they're like, I'm not doing vaccinations anymore. And I'm, you know, yeah, we've got nurses coming out of NICU because they realized what was happening. And um, that's okay. We, you know, we love you.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

Yeah, come over. Yeah, it's um I you know, there's a couple times we've had this one other well, I'll just stick with an inconvenience study. I mean, when I screen it, one of the things I'll say is raise your hand if you think Dr. Zerbos is evil. It's usually about three-quarters of the audience will raise their hand. And uh, and I say, Okay, well, you know, you know, and I and when if you ask people to say, well, because he has the truth, it's clear these vaccines are poisoning kids and he can do something about it, and he doesn't. And then I'll say, uh, raise your hand if you never avoided the conversation of the COVID vaccine, uh, even though you knew it was dangerous. Did you ever go to a Thanksgiving dinner and say, I'm not gonna bring it up here? I don't want to like have a conflict with my brother, sister, mom, dad, you know, uncle, whatever, friend. Uh, did you ever not tell someone your truth just because you wanted to avoid the conflict? Uh raise your hand if you've never done that. And I mean, no one raises their hand. And I say, you know, the truth. And by the way, I can't raise my hand. Even as outspoken as I am, there have been moments where I just chose to have a peaceful, you know, meal with someone and not tell them what I know. And so that's the same thing. I mean, just because his is on a scale of he could have saved millions, we I could have saved one person and I didn't. So, you know, our apathy or our fear to speak makes us complicit. And we have all been complicit, you know, in one time or another. And so that, and I would just leave it at, you know, as Jesus said, you know, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I don't, I try not to cast stones. Uh, we all have our issues, but we can do better and we should do better.

SPEAKER_02 58:29

And we should do better. And we can start doing better by watching the highwire, vast, and an inconvenient study so that you can go plant those seeds, everyone. That's right. And Dell, I appreciate you so very much. I'm sure I'll be seeing you around again. And just have a blessed day. And for our audience, I do hope you enjoyed this time with Dell. And just please share, like, subscribe, do all those fun things, and go be informed and be brave. Thanks, Del.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

Thank you.