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Confident, Not Cocky
Rough Upbringing w/ Eliseo Rodriguez Jr.
Imagine navigating life's storms with cannabis as your compass. Our guest, Eliseo Rodriguez, whom I happened to meet through my wife at the gym, shares how cannabis has become an integral part of his daily routine, not just for relaxation, but for enhancing productivity. Together, we explore the shifting cannabis landscape; prompting his trips to Michigan for legal acquisitions. Our conversation offers a blend of personal experiences and insights into our own childhoods.
Life’s complexities don’t end with the effects of cannabis. Eliseo and I open up about troubled upbringings marked by absent and abusive father figures, alcoholism being the main culprit. These personal stories offer a raw glimpse into the resilience required to navigate such tumultuous family dynamics. We don't shy away from difficult conversations about modern dating, sexual fetishes, and unconventional financial ventures, providing a candid look at how past experiences shape current realities. During our conversation, we uncover the profound impact of these experiences on personal development and relationships.
Ever wondered about the intersection of faith, science, and conspiracy? We venture into the origins of the universe, pondering the existence of higher beings and ancient civilizations that might have had celestial connections. We then move into our opinions on the peculiarities of gym etiquette. This episode is a journey through humor, reflection, and raw emotion, capturing the diverse experiences that make up our lives. Join us for an unfiltered exploration of humanity’s challenges and triumphs and how our upbringings shape the men we are today.
As a saying goes, it ain't cocky if you back it up. This is Confident, not Cocky. The show where bold conversations meet relatable real-life experiences. Hosted by Charles Campos Jr, this podcast brings you everything from the latest trends in news to personal stories that make you laugh, reflect and maybe even get a little emotional. Whether it's Charles flying solo or chopping it up with special guests, nothing's off the table and it's always straight talk, real and raw, no filter. So get ready for a ride that's as fun as it is real. So get ready for a ride that's as fun as it is real.
Speaker 2:This is. Confident, not Cocky, and this is your host, charles Campos.
Speaker 3:Jr. All right, welcome back. We just had this Thanksgiving holiday, so that's why I didn't post one this past Tuesday. But we're back in action and we're here again, and luckily I'm not alone. I have a very special guest that I've been trying to get on for a little while now, and I'm glad he's here. So if you want to go ahead and state your name for the audience, go ahead Elicio Rodriguez. And I know you from the gym. Actually, I know you through my wife who goes to the gym that you work at.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And she sees you all the time. You guys became really acquainted and kind of got your information. Obviously, I met you, talked to you and, you know, became buddies and I'm glad to have you on because from what I understand, you have a lot of good stories to tell right. Yeah, just really, really quick, how do you spell your first name?
Speaker 4:It's E-L-I-S-E-O.
Speaker 3:Okay so. I had it all mixed up, so I spelled it E-L-I-S-S-I-O.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3:I had no idea how to spell it, but I'm glad I got close About 50-50. So where does that name come from? Is it short for anything? Does it mean something Like how did your parents name you that? Well, I was named after my father, okay, yeah and then does it have any type of meaning or does it come from anywhere?
Speaker 4:that you know of.
Speaker 3:From what I'm told, it's in the bible oh, really, I've never and I'm not really a religious person, but I've never. I didn't know that was in the bible. Yeah, okay, and well, good enough for me. And then, um, I understand that you like to partake in the weed yeah, do you definitely? How often do you dab on that?
Speaker 3:um, I would say once a day, maybe after work, depending on my day are you one of those people that is like a high functioning type person that who could, who could just do a bunch of it and just really stay really productive? Or when you do it, do you know you're going to be in the house for the night chilling?
Speaker 3:oh no, I, I'm productive yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I could go work out, really work yeah, see, I, I, I don't know, and maybe it's just like a tolerance thing, or maybe it's per person, cuz I know like when I do it, man, my, my eyes drop, I don't want to do anything, like I can't do anything, like my body goes like numb and everything it's. It's crazy. I mean, was that ever the case in the beginning? Like where, when you did it for the first time or when you were doing it, was it like a different feeling than what it is now for doing it so many years?
Speaker 4:well, I would say yeah, especially with all the different strands of weed. Now they got dispensaries, so let me ask you that because, like I said, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't do weed, and not because the the idea of it, but it's just it's not my cup of tea. But so I'm just curious. So, with the different strands, does different strands make you feel differently? What does a different strand do for you?
Speaker 4:So back in the day when I started, it was sativa and indica Okay. So sativa. They say. What do they say? Oh so sativa is supposedica. Okay, so sativa. They say, uh, what do they say? Oh so sativa, supposed to give you energy.
Speaker 4:And then indica, they say in the couch, right I like that okay, and so now they got all these different hybrids and they mix them up together. So it's like some give you a body high, somebody, some of them give you a lot of energy so it's so there's like a chemical reaction that does to a body well, definitely so, but there is strands intended to hit certain things, like you said, give you energy or, if you want to mellow out, you could buy a strand that mellows.
Speaker 4:Now they got not now they got strands for people with cancer, different types of uh, medical, okay, yeah and so, and just for context, you said back in the day how old are you?
Speaker 3:47, 47.
Speaker 2:So just to give a little context, what back in the day for you, because I remember I had I had my niece nana, uh danielle, on the show and she's what back in the day for you because, I remember I had I had my niece, nana danielle on the show and she's like back in the day, I'm like you're like 26 years old back in the day.
Speaker 3:It means way back 10 plus years, so I was just for context, so everybody knows what your back in the day is, and then. So we live in indiana. So, as far as I know, it's not legal here, right? So where do you go to? Get to michigan you go to michigan, yeah, and what? What a 45 minute drive, an hour drive, 45 minutes is there a reason?
Speaker 4:is there a reason why?
Speaker 3:you go to michigan rather than illinois illinois is too expensive yeah, is it that big of a difference?
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, they double tax it Really. Yeah, they got state county tax.
Speaker 3:Oh, that makes sense, yeah, yeah. So on average, what do you think you're saving? Because I guess let me backtrack. So when you go to Michigan to buy, do you buy for like a week supply, month supply, like how much are you?
Speaker 4:look, let me tell you, when I go to michigan, there's no intent on how much I'm gonna buy or how long it's gonna last me, but, um, I think I overindulge when I go by, because it's it's like is it like a candy factory?
Speaker 3:you go in and you have all these different dude.
Speaker 4:you walk in and it's wall to wall, really Wall to wall.
Speaker 3:Is there like flavor?
Speaker 4:to it oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Is it really yes?
Speaker 3:Now, okay, let me ask you this Do you do like the traditional roll it up or cigarillo type thing, or?
Speaker 4:do you do the vape cartridge see I'm, I'm old school, I'm rolling joins. Okay, pack a bowl, so you buy it in the actual path.
Speaker 3:I probably sound stupid pre-roll okay, so you buy on pre-rolled no, no, okay, no, I'll buy.
Speaker 4:I'll buy like two ounces at a time.
Speaker 3:So then you crush it up yourself and you roll it up yourself like, like she said back in the day you know, I get a little tray, break it up.
Speaker 4:But see, the good thing now is none of this stuff has seeds oh, yeah, okay, I remember that with this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, back in the day, it's like out and shit, yeah it's like a drive-by with all the seeds you know, yeah okay, all right, that's good. Have you done like the cartridge and vape stuff?
Speaker 3:so that's why I say when I go I overindulge, like I'll buy two ounces weed, yeah, 12 carts oh really 10 packs of gummies, and I don't even eat the gummies I don't, I can't, I, I cannot endure the flavor of weed like I've had gummies before and it's just. I get that taste of just like weed in the back of my mouth, yes, the aftertaste, oh god, I can't do it.
Speaker 4:And the gummies is a whole different high yeah, well, yeah, I guess you're right.
Speaker 3:See, that that's the thing that really interests me. Like your definition of of a high could be different from my definition of a high, and your reaction is probably going to be a lot different than my reaction, and it just fascinated me how, per person, really any type of drug could affect you well, everybody's body's different.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, and you're gonna react different to you, are gonna right, so we know that you're, so you're a daily user.
Speaker 3:Right is what's the um? What's the hardest drug you've done in your life? You've been on this earth for 47 years. Have you indulged or been curious about any hard drug before? And you've tried.
Speaker 4:I would say, for me, I would say cocaine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, now is it like just one or twice, or you did it for like a couple years and then laid off. What's the situation there?
Speaker 4:So when I was younger I used to get into a lot of trouble, yeah, and in my teenage years we used to do it all the time. I mean, there were times where we would do it for two or three days straight, and I'm assuming it's.
Speaker 3:It was a lot easier back then to get like hard drugs, like coke or cocaine, or is that? Do you think it's easier now to get it? No, I would say it's a lot easier now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you think so.
Speaker 3:Well, I guess yeah, I guess back then there was more like the whole war on drugs. I'm not saying you're that old, but but. But I'm saying but like it was more of a like task force mentality to try to control these drugs.
Speaker 4:And I guess now when I was growing up it was hard to get weed, but then it was like up it was hard to get weed, but then it was like for me it was the older guys that had the cocaine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:You know you wouldn't really go looking for it, You'd be at a party. Somebody would say hey, I got a bag, you want to do a line?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Now, do you remember how doing cocaine made you feel Like, did it give you like a high? Did it just give you super energy and the jitters, or it?
Speaker 4:uh, I've never done speed, but I would say it would be similar you have a lot of energy and man, it's hard to describe like you could hear everything really right, like if you're sitting there still you could hear your heartbeat.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, I understand that, Because I think, and let me think, I'm 35, so I haven't been on this earth that long. But I'm trying to think, go back. I think the hardest drug I've taken was cocaine and I'm trying to remember my experience. I, I remember that heart thing like you would kind of be like they're like you, almost you know you're right, you would hear, you would think you're hearing things or you heard things and you're like, I think with me it made me a little more paranoid, oh for sure, and it's like what, what's that? What's that like?
Speaker 4:type of, but like you, were still having a good time watching tv on mute, looking out the window like who's there?
Speaker 3:nobody's there and I guess I've only done it in a parting like a party setting um, and obviously there's stuff going going around alcohol, you're doing whatever, playing, you know beer pong, whatever, like. So like, as I think, in my opinion and like everyone's different, but like something like cocaine or speed. If you do it and there's something to keep you stimulated, I think you have a better reaction to it so I've been on this earth a little bit longer than you and what people would say is coke and liquor go together maybe that's why I never had a bad experience.
Speaker 3:That's the only time I did.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so because they say coke is a stimulant right yeah, it's gonna.
Speaker 3:All in alcohols are depressing.
Speaker 4:Alcohol brings you down kind of mellows it out and you and it evens itself out. People usually when they're at the bars, they got a little 20 bag of coke, yeah, and it's just so they don't get drunk oh, I never, so they'll drink more.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, do a bump yeah man, I'm, I'm cool, I can keep drinking all night now, but does that prevent like nasty hangovers, or is that just not even in?
Speaker 4:the equation, do you think? I think the hangover comes from mixing drinks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so if you mix, hard liquor and then you go to beer. Do you think that's true, though? Like I haven't done the research behind that, but do you think that's true, or do you think that's just like a wise tale folk?
Speaker 4:tale type thing. I don't know how true that would be, because I I've never been a drinker.
Speaker 3:No, no no, just not even casually. You just stay away from it.
Speaker 4:I mean, I've tried it, it just doesn't appeal to me.
Speaker 3:So it doesn't taste good and like I'm that way now but like, do you back in back in the day, like in your 20s, were you, did you drink a lot, and now you're just like it's not for me, because that's kind of my thing, because I went to college, I did, you know the whole university and you know I did my share of partying and I drank. And even in my early 20s still I would like to go out and drink and like now the idea of alcohol just doesn't appeal to me, doesn't do anything for me. I don't even like, I don't even want to drink because I don't want to deal with the possible hangover the next day. So for you was it just always didn't appeal to you.
Speaker 4:I I'd be at parties.
Speaker 3:Everybody's drinking and I'm just there he's got, he's got her a cup of water.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I mean yeah well, I get honestly, it was because my dad was an alcoholic okay, I totally want to totally get that I didn't want to get into that you know.
Speaker 3:what's fucked up, though, is that, like with me, my dad was like an alcoholic, but yet it didn't affect me, right? It was weird and then okay, so you know what? Let's segue right into that. Tell me a little bit about your upbringing, where you grew up from, how your upbringing was, and I'll tell you a little bit of mine.
Speaker 3:When I grew up in Indiana, over there in East Chicago, my dad always worked, wasn't really involved, didn't go to baseball games or like all the just kind of like traditional deadbeat type of dad and pretty much left us or parents split. I was probably like I don't know, six, seven years old, so didn't really have a relationship with my father, and during a little therapy I think it's kind of messed me up a little bit. And you always hear you know all these kids, the statistics, kids who end up in jail or blah, blah, blah. Most of the time they don't have a father figure in their life, and I could get that a lot of times. I don't think about it or like I don't dwell on oh, daddy didn't love me, type of stuff, but, um, I grew up mostly without him and without a father figure. Fortunately, my mother remarried, yeah, and we moved in with with him and you know.
Speaker 2:but it's one of those and like I'll let you.
Speaker 3:I'll let you talk in a minute, but it's one of those things where, as I was growing up, it's I never really accepted my stepfather as like my real father, even though he put a roof under my under, under over my head, did everything for us, took care of us. It was just one of those things where I grew up and I just couldn't accept that he was like my father now, but yet I didn't even want anything to do with my real father. So it's like one of those things where I just went rogue for a while and so tell me about how your upbringing real father. So it's like one of those things where I just went rogue for a while and and so you know, tell me about how you know your upbringing. You already mentioned your dad was alcoholic so go ahead.
Speaker 4:So my, uh, my upbringing my mom and dad were married. So my dad, he met my mother when she was pregnant with my sister. Okay, right, so that's not her father, all right, but my father actually married. My mom gave my sister his last name, nice, and then I came along and then I have a little sister and we all lived in gary, in a trailer park in brunswick brunswick, okay, and so just for the audience.
Speaker 3:So most people who aren't from indiana, they'm sure they know what Gary area is. So would you say you were in like deep into Gary.
Speaker 4:No, it was like you know where the airport's at, so right after the airport, right on the border, Okay.
Speaker 3:Right on the border so you were kind of outside of Gary, but still in that, okay, right, right, when you enter Gary from Chicago. We were right there, see now when you were growing up in Gary was Gary totally different from when you just remembering as a kid growing up then. Obviously, compared now, gary is just horrible run down. Gary is shit's shit, it's shit was it as bad or getting bad to that point when you're growing up?
Speaker 4:so I only lived there till third grade okay, all right so it wasn't, I didn't you know, what I mean I didn't know that gary was what it was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't the best, I'm sure Right. So we grew up there, my dad worked in the steel mill LTV, okay. So he got laid off and then became just started drinking depression. He would come home every night, put his hands on my mom. Damn, he would come home every night, put his hands on my mom. And I remember, if I would stay up at night and wait for him to come home, I would stop him and I would say, hey, you're not going to hit my mom.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, you're about how old when you were doing this, I was in third grade. Right.
Speaker 4:Okay, go ahead. So there was times where my mom and dad were fighting and I'm in their bedroom and I'm yelling, trying to get them to stop. Oh, that's horrible.
Speaker 4:And they're throwing stuff back and forth at each other. I could tell you a story. My mom was waiting for my dad to come home. She was tired of his shit. So he comes home. And my mom was waiting for my dad to come home. She was tired of his shit. So he comes home and my mom's got a baseball bat and she's like oh, you want to start shit. She's like hit me, she had enough.
Speaker 3:Oh, she had enough. Yep, she's at that point.
Speaker 4:So my dad looked at her and was like yeah, I ain't fucking with her tonight. Oh yeah, really. He stepped down.
Speaker 3:Usually.
Speaker 2:I mean usually they don't.
Speaker 4:Usually they said hey, challenge me. No, but okay so he walked away, walking back to their room. Their room was all the way in the back of the trailer and my mom the whole time following him talking shit.
Speaker 3:So my dad got to the door of the room and she said fuck it she hit him in the back of the head with the bat really on provoke she did that she did it on her own well, I know right, she was tired of his shit.
Speaker 4:Just yeah, she's, she's at that breaking, yeah, and then so one day he comes home starting shit I wasn't up, I fell asleep. My mom says I'm not fucking you with you. So she goes outside. He follows her, taps her on the shoulder, she turns around, boom, no, broke her nose, no Right. So where we live there was a liquor store in the front, yeah, and my mom knew the lady. So she went there and the lady's like I'm going to take you to the hospital, so my dad's following him. Ain't nothing wrong with you, come home, the kids need you. And the lady says the police are coming. I would leave.
Speaker 4:Yeah bro, we woke up, me and my two sisters and my dad was nailing two by fours to the inside of the fucking door, because the cops Just being the police. Yeah. Oh yes, fucking door, because the cops being the police yeah, oh, yes, okay, yeah, wow, and back then the cops wouldn't call uh, child protective services yeah, they would call like a family member.
Speaker 4:Okay, right, so my grandparents come, they pick us up and then the next day they say hey, we're gonna take you to the trailer park and drop you off to your mom. My mom never showed up. Where'd she go?
Speaker 3:she was already seeing someone else really for how long, I don't know well were your parents married or just together? They were married. They were married yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So she was seeing someone else and she was with him meeting his family. I'm like you forgot the other half of your family shortly after this whole nose broken the next day the next day, the next, I mean obviously you.
Speaker 3:I mean you can't blame your mother for wanting to find someone else after she's been treated, unless you have a different opinion about it I don't blame my dad or I don't hate him for it.
Speaker 4:That's between them two, right? That's what I had to realize growing up, that that had nothing to do with us.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's not your fault, it's never the kid's fault, never his kid's fault, but it still affects you as a kid, absolutely Right.
Speaker 4:So the guy he moves in with us, he's working at the steel mill.
Speaker 3:Okay, so backtrack. So where where's your father? Did your father leave?
Speaker 4:my mom told him he couldn't come back okay.
Speaker 3:So your mother was seeing somebody you know on the side while this is happening. So the incident happens where she gets her nose broken, she, she goes to the hospital, then she sees that man the next day and obviously things happen, things are said, consequences, and so eventually your dad is told hey, get out of here, you're not welcome back, and she brings this new guy in with you and your sisters.
Speaker 4:Okay, I'm just making sure I'm on the same page. He tried to get me to accept them. You know, come in hanging out buying me little toys but, I already knew who my dad was right.
Speaker 3:Isn't that weird, though I mean okay. So from there on, was that man like? Did she stay with that man?
Speaker 4:oh, what yeah? Yeah, so he basically raised you from there so there's a lot to the whole story, but I wouldn't say he raised me and we got at least two hours, however okay, however you deep you want to go into, I don't want to pull anything out that you don't want to talk about. Okay, I'm not ashamed of it.
Speaker 4:Okay, things happen to people yeah you know, and I could talk about it now, right, but, um, so my dad tried to come back, yeah, but my mom had enough, right, sure? So then this other guy I think he used it to his advantage, how? So? So well, like so, let's just say, you and your wife get a divorce, yeah, and you meet a woman, uh-huh, and you tell her well, my wife didn't do this, didn't do that okay.
Speaker 3:So now to kind of manipulate a little bit.
Speaker 4:So the new girl she's gonna manipulate you, yeah, and say, hey, you know all the things that she didn't do. She's doing them for you and in your mind you're not even thinking about it because you're like man, how does she know what I want? Because you told her unwillingly.
Speaker 3:Okay, right, I see what you're coming from now.
Speaker 4:So it's like you know okay.
Speaker 3:So new man comes in. Obviously dad comes back and forth. We don't have to get to details. So does this new man basically raise you from there on, or is there times where you go like were you going with your father?
Speaker 4:like to his place. Okay, so he. There was no like custody thing.
Speaker 3:So at that point my dad was an alcoholic yeah, like full blown, and always has been, and no okay. Point my dad was an alcoholic.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like full-blown, and always has been, and no okay so my dad was amazing, yeah, I mean, he gave us everything we needed. So the thing for me where things changed for my dad was when he lost his job.
Speaker 3:So, like you said, kind of almost into that depression, depression and stay and so there was a guy at the steel mill that took my dad under his wing.
Speaker 4:His name was a sugar baby. Sugar, yeah older black yeah and he passed away and I remember we went to his funeral and my dad man, it was like losing a father and after that man, my dad went just straight down the hill right and um he started drinking and then, when he would come home, he was always accusing my mom of cheating okay right and my mom put up with it. My mom was young, so when she had my sister, she was in high school. Oh shit, really Back then Okay, wow.
Speaker 2:Back then yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, that was a whole.
Speaker 2:I got you.
Speaker 4:I mean, my sister doesn't even know who her real father is, right.
Speaker 3:Does your mom know who the? Real father is Well, that's the story.
Speaker 4:Mom know who the real father is. That's a story my mom said, supposedly on her way home from school a friend of the family kidnapped her and raped her. I think she went willingly. You think so?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:Well, it's a friend of the family, right? So she doesn't come home till the next day, and then she tells my grandmother that he raped her and when he fell asleep she snuck out.
Speaker 3:Really so? If you kidnap a woman and rape her, are her to do what you want and bring her home with the intentions of to do evil, or do you think it was a legitimate grabber in the van? Tie her? Up kidnap I think it was might have been more than the manipulation.
Speaker 4:He wanted something right and knew it was easy too, yeah, so she went along with it, yeah, and then made up this whole story. Oh, he raped me. Yeah, yeah and this and that I see what you're saying so for a long time we thought my dad was my sister's father.
Speaker 3:We didn't know so, but did your father think that he was the father? No he knew.
Speaker 4:Oh so he knew right off the bat well, because when he met my mom, she was oh, okay, okay, pregnant, pregnant, right okay so back to uh, the guy didn't raise us, so he lived with us and my dad ended up going to puerto rico he went back to puerto rico okay, right. And this guy worked at the mill. He got laid off so instead of looking for another job. He's like they're going to call me back. I'm just going to wait. So my mom packed us and him, and we just moved to Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3:Really In third grade With. So your mother took the new guy and went to Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4:Well, we went with him, Wellerto rico.
Speaker 3:Well, we went with him. Well, yeah, you went with him, right? Well you went with your dad or you went with your mom and her man.
Speaker 4:No, after my mom and dad split up. Yeah, my mom kept him away from right, but you said your dad went to puerto rico too, so did you guys kind of like, were you guys in the same?
Speaker 4:town and city. That's funny. You would say that because when we moved out there, my my aunt, lived out there, yeah, and she was married, so we were living with her. Okay, and we're in school and my mom comes and says, hey, we gotta go, we gotta go. And I'm like what. So my dad found out that we were out there, oh gosh, and he was looking for us. So she's like we gotta go. So we went to go live with his family. And where does this family live? On the other?
Speaker 3:side. Oh so still in puerto rico, oh, still in puerto rico.
Speaker 4:Yeah and um, we lived out there for about a year and a half and it was the craziest fucking year and a half. And how old are?
Speaker 3:you at this point, and then third grade. So we're still in the same timeline year. A lot's happening.
Speaker 4:Okay, all right, so still about third grade, All right, Right. So my mom and him get drunk one night and they come home. So where we lived, the driveway went. It was like a half a. My mom and him get drunk one night and they come home. So where we lived, the driveway went. It was like a half a circ, right, you didn't just drive straight up. So this guy was so drunk that he just tried to drive up the hill. No, and he had an old like GTO yeah, Stuck. Me and my sisters wake up and they're out there trying to jack the car up. They're drunk. He pinches my mom's uh hand on the jack. She passes out no then she wakes up.
Speaker 4:I don't want to do this. I miss my parents. So she goes in the middle of the street and it's like the next car that comes. I'm going to let him hit me. I want to know Really I swear and I'm telling my mom come on, mom, Come on.
Speaker 3:And I'm freaking out. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4:I'm in third grade.
Speaker 3:So now I'm sorry, do you like? Just, is this embedded into your head as a memory, or is it a mixture of memory and other people telling you what happened? Like do you like? This is all in your head, oh man nobody had to none of this I'm telling you was ever somebody had to tell me this is all from your head.
Speaker 4:Those are those memories that you'll never forget. Yeah right, those things that are like that affect your life, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, okay, so she's in the street. You're trying to get her back so she wakes up or I get her in the house.
Speaker 4:She passes out. I thought she was dead, so I'm like, okay, she's breathing, and then we end up moving back. Okay, right, and now we're living with my grandparents, so the new guy.
Speaker 3:is he out? The new guy is still there. He's still there, Okay.
Speaker 4:So we left Puerto Rico after about a year and a half and then we lived with my grandparents for a while because he still wasn't working, sure, and then my Aunt Sarah, she worked for um public housing in east chicago, so she put us on the list to get uh public housing, okay. So then we finally one opened uh and we moved there. It was a duplex in the projects on uh parish and broadway.
Speaker 3:So this is still in ind. Yeah, east Chicago, east Chicago yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and so we live there. And the guy never really accepted us Right? No, you don't think so.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know. Well, I thought he would have, like you said, he would have, buy you stuff Like was he trying to more. So win your love rather than earn your love.
Speaker 4:He was trying to win my mom's love. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was trying to win my mom's love. Ah, yeah, yeah, right, okay. I get it like. You can't win a woman, sure, or a man's love by treating their kids like shit. You're right, right, yeah. So for him, for me, it was all a front okay, yeah, I get that all right.
Speaker 3:So, and then I'm a. You just stay with your grandparents. For how long do you stay with your grandparents?
Speaker 4:um we don't stay there long, no, we don't stay there long, no. So a lot of jumping around right here to there when we finally moved into the projects, we stayed there, okay, and, um, the guy was a piece of shit, honestly, really. Yeah, yeah, he, he, he treated me and my sisters like shit and come to find out he was trying to molest my sisters.
Speaker 3:No, and I was in the way no, what, what, how do you know or why do you think that because I caught him?
Speaker 4:red-handed no, really, and so one night he tells my mom, go to the liquor store and get some more beer. And this motherfucker drank every day, every day isn't that fucked up?
Speaker 3:how you go from having your father who's an alcoholic alcoholic to the next guy being now alcohol alcoholic.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, but it was a different kind of abuse.
Speaker 3:He didn't put his hands on my verbal but mentally hey, that's almost that's just as bad or worse?
Speaker 4:I yeah, I agree, I think that's worse yeah, right, so we go to the liquor store. My mom says you're coming with me because he always picked on me. Okay, yeah, so she just wants you.
Speaker 3:So she was like I don't want to come back, yeah and he says you were doing something.
Speaker 4:So when we come back, my mom says look through the window and see what your sisters are doing. So when I look through the window, my older sister is sitting on his lap and he's got his hand under her pajamas and how old is your sister at this point? Probably fifth grade, sixth grade, damn right okay, so you see this I see this, but I don't say nothing. Why?
Speaker 3:well, and I'm not. I'm not passing judgment, I'm just curious what, what, what?
Speaker 4:because at the moment, I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 3:You couldn't process it. I was like what the hell is going on?
Speaker 4:So he hears the screen door open my sister runs and sits on the couch and he was trying with my older sister, and then my sister was like in 7th 8th grade.
Speaker 3:She ran away from home Because of the.
Speaker 4:because of that, advancements right so my mom's like what's wrong? Tell me what's wrong. My sister's like you're not gonna believe me so you gotta remember back in the day when a kid would accuse a family member or anyone a lot of people wouldn't take you serious.
Speaker 3:That still kind of holds today, but I get it but.
Speaker 4:I mean, I think the stigma has changed, of course, Right. Of course, Because it's a different generation, Like if one of your kids said hey, so-and-so was trying to touch me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:A kid's not just going say that yeah I guess right because think about it the mentality of a kid. Why would you make that up?
Speaker 3:yeah, and I think, with all those stories that have gone and all the headliners and everything we've heard in the past, just in the past like 10 years, I think, right, you're right. I think we and with social media and everything being so available to us, we see the news like that we're like you know what this shit's really happening. I should probably take my kids serious compared to back in the day is different.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, like you said, with all this social media and everything, it's okay for you to speak out now, yeah, right. But back then it was like nobody's gonna believe me, right? So my sister told her he's trying to molest me. Oh, she dismisses it. You don't like. You don't like him. Oh, you don't want me to be with him, yeah, so see, that's what I'm saying. Like he brainwashed my mom yeah like I.
Speaker 4:I would wake, honestly. I would wake up in the middle of the night in my room upstairs and I would hear him telling my mom that he caught me trying to molest my little sister in the bathroom. What a piece of shit, yeah. Yeah, you know why? Why, he was trying to throw it off of him. He was trying to get me out of the way. Yeah, he used to. He used to be like I'm your father, your dad's. A piece of shit. I, I put a roof over your head and I would tell him we're on welfare.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the government's taking care of me. You don't even pay rent here, you know so is it safe to say that you never really got and let's, let's say never, because you did say your dad was really great up to that point where he got depressed. So but is it safe to say majority of your childhood? There was a lack of kind of a fatherly love, or just maybe love in general.
Speaker 4:There was a lack of kind of a fatherly love, or just maybe love in general. There was a lack of structure at home. There was no love. I felt like I wasn't cared about. Damn Right. Yeah, he pulled a gun out on me one time. No really, how, why? Please tell me that story so he tells me he used to walk around with a little revolver on his side right and he used to think he was big shit. And I'm like who's threatening you here that you have to walk around with a?
Speaker 4:gun on your side, in your own home.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So one day. So he used to love to pick on me and he's like, hey, hey, you think you're a tough guy and he stood up.
Speaker 3:Is he drunk at this point? He was always drunk, right.
Speaker 4:So he pulls the gun out, puts it on the table, oh, and he says you're a big guy, you're tough. Grab the gun. He goes, grab it, shoot me.
Speaker 3:And how old are you at this point? Are you older, like 10, 12, teenage?
Speaker 4:No at shoot me. And how old are you at this point? Are you older, like 10, 12? No, at this time I'm like seventh grade. Okay, right what he didn't know. I was out there doing fucked up shit already. Yeah so yeah so me and my buddy we had broke into a house and we found two guns under the mattress.
Speaker 3:So I'm sorry I just like how casually you just said yeah, me and my buddy broke into a house and found two guns. I, I love that. I mean. I mean, it's just funny, it's just it's funny how it just rolled off your tongue so casually.
Speaker 4:But yeah, go ahead, yeah so we found these two guns and those, these two older guys that encouraged us to break into the house, oh really Right. And my buddy gave the older guys his gun and they're like hey, what are you going to do with your gun? You don't need that? I was like no, I'm keeping my shit.
Speaker 3:Did you have?
Speaker 4:it on you when that.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was upstairs in my room. Oh shit really.
Speaker 4:Yes, All right, it was a .357 Magnum, really, okay, all right, it was a 357 magnum, uh-huh. And I said hold on a minute, I'll be back. So I go upstairs, grab my shit, come down now. I'm standing there, yeah. And he's standing there and I go, I got my shit, grab yours. And he tells my mom oh, look, your son got a gun in the house. And see, this is the thing. Every time he picked on me, I would tell my mom are you going to say something to him? I'm just a kid.
Speaker 4:You know what my mom would say that's between you and him, what the hell.
Speaker 3:That has nothing to do with me. Okay, all right. So the more I hear the stories, all right are they? Are your mom and him still alive?
Speaker 4:uh, she's still alive. He died about a little over a year ago how?
Speaker 3:how's your relationship with your mother? Not good. No, are you guys like? Is it one of those things where you only see each other on holidays or you haven't talked to?
Speaker 4:her. In years I haven't seen my mom, probably close to 10 years. Yeah, she lives in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3:Okay, I was going to ask her if she lives around here.
Speaker 4:So I'm going to fast forward a little bit right, okay, yep. So I ended up getting kicked out right. And I'm living with my cousin and you know how they say karma the universe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's true, bro, karma's a bitch, or.
Speaker 4:What comes around goes around type thing, he ended up shooting her.
Speaker 3:Your mother.
Speaker 4:Yes, what the fuck? Okay, yeah, all right. So my cousin wakes me up. Hey, your sister called tony shot your mom. I'm like fucking dreamy, so I go back to sleep hey, man, you gotta go back to sleep.
Speaker 3:Well, shit, yeah, I mean almost like, how do I process that?
Speaker 4:yeah, like how do you process? That, yeah, yeah like I thought I was in a dream yeah, I get you so he shot her. She still got the bullet in her and she stayed with him that?
Speaker 3:see, that's wild. But but do you think that's because of all the years of manipulation and stuff like that, or do you think you're? You think it's more on your, something to do with your mother?
Speaker 4:I think it was just the lifestyle that they were living, always getting drunk, always partying.
Speaker 3:Because she said it was an accident, accident did your mother ever work, or was she always like a stay-at-home mom? She was always a stay-at-home mom. So then, how'd you guys survive when um tony his name? How'd you survive when he was? Because I remember you said he was out of work and it sounded like he was out of work for a while. So how'd you guys survive?
Speaker 4:I don't know, yeah, well, I know. When we were living in the projects, my mom was getting child support from my dad okay so my dad got called back to the steel mill but he was so mentally unstable that he went to doctors and he just got a check every month really yeah, what's um?
Speaker 3:is your father still alive?
Speaker 4:my, my, uh, my dad was murdered your dad was murdered in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3:Like how long ago? Like back in the day or within the last ten or five years?
Speaker 4:no, I was 20.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm 47, so about 20 years 25 years ago yeah, just like what's he like he got into a bad crowd, or was it like no just like a woman really, yeah, damn, yeah, did you. Did you go to puerto rico?
Speaker 4:for the funeral? No, I couldn't go. No, I was, um, I was working out of town doing construction, yeah, and I didn't have the money, and I was with my first daughter's mom, okay, we just couldn't afford it.
Speaker 3:Was it one of those things that when you heard it happen, were you overwhelmed with emotion? Were you like oh well oh well. How did you feel when you heard that news?
Speaker 4:I didn't feel. It didn't feel right, it didn't feel real. But at the same time I wasn't really that close to my dad to be emotional. I mean, I cried and I couldn't believe it, but it wasn't like it wasn't devastating to you. It wasn't devastating, right? So, like when I was in high school, I started gangbanging. I got into a fight. I knocked some kids teeth, teeth out. My mom sent me to go live with my dad and I said oh, all of a sudden, you know where my dad's at.
Speaker 4:and she's like I'm not putting up with this shit, you're gonna going to go live with your dad. Dude, literally two days after I got expelled Midway Airport, I'm gone.
Speaker 3:How long did you stay with your dad for?
Speaker 4:I stayed there. I didn't last probably six months.
Speaker 3:Oh really, Because of getting in trouble out there, or just the relationship between you and your dad.
Speaker 4:The relationship between me and my dad. Yeah, so when you go to Puerto Rico, when I went, the airport's small Okay. So they don't allow your family members inside the airport to pick you up.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, shit Okay.
Speaker 4:So when you're walking out, everybody got signs on the window Uh-huh, and it was my grandfather and my cousin Minguitoito. My dad didn't even come to the fucking area airport to pick me up really yeah, so he wasn't thrilled that you were coming in the first place. It was the alcohol yeah, dude, I got there like somewhere, huh he was like passed out at the house he was at the bar really at nine o'clock in the morning that's crazy, that it just it's.
Speaker 3:It amazed me like something like that can consume somebody so much that they can't. Yeah, that's that's. I mean, that's pretty much like the definition of addiction, to the point where you'd rather be at the bar than go pick your son out?
Speaker 4:I told my cousin. I said does my dad know? Yeah, where's he at At the bar. You want us to take you? I'm like, yeah. So he took me and my dad. He used to call me his cookie because I was his only son. He's like oh cookie this and that. And he's like oh, cookie this and that. And he's like sit down, have a drink. I'm like do you know how?
Speaker 3:old? I am, yeah. How old are you? At the you're in high school. I was in high school 15, 16 years old, 15, 16.
Speaker 4:I said I don't drink. Oh, that's good, don't drink. So he went back with us to my grandparents' house that's where he lived Took my money, went through my suitcase and I smoked cigarettes at the time my mom bought me a carton of cigarettes to take with me. That's, you know, wow, what a parent, right, yeah. And he took half my carton of cigarettes, all the money I had, and was like I'll be back. I didn't see him for two weeks. What? Where did he go? Out in the streets drinking. So he would get this check every month. Right, His sister was in charge of his money. So he would go to all these different bars and have a tab and at the first of the month my aunt would go and pay all his tabs off and then it would start all over again.
Speaker 3:Fuck.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 3:So it's probably safe to say that the best thing your father did for you was see how bad alcohol can consume somebody.
Speaker 4:And therefore, have you kind of stay away and another thing is how not to treat a woman well. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so damn that is fucked up, dude. I've been through a lot of shit in 47 years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that sounds like it all right let's let's fast forward a little bit and, speaking of of treating a woman or how to treat a woman, what's your status right now? Are you?
Speaker 4:single I'm single.
Speaker 3:Single Because you have what? Three, four kids, four kids, and then what I know, you have a few daughters. Are they all daughters? No, I have a few daughters.
Speaker 4:Are they all daughters or no? I have a. So I had a daughter with this chick I was with for like five years, uh-huh. Then we split up, okay, and I met my uh. I was married. So I met my ex-wife at a birthday party at the park for my cousin's kid and we went to high school together, all right. So one thing led to another. She had two kids. I raised them as my own and we had a kid together. We were married 16 years, wow. And uh, I've been divorced a little bit over six what, um?
Speaker 3:what happened with that marriage? That was 16 years. You guys just grew apart, we grew apart and honestly, I didn't feel appreciated. Okay.
Speaker 4:I felt like everything was like well, you're my husband, that's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3:And I'm like Kind of like that old school mentality where man has a role, woman has a role. That's how it should be right, I?
Speaker 4:think and I always try to be a good man and do nice things for her, and I told her. I says you know how I bring you flowers home for no reason because, you're a good mother yeah, you're a good wife. I said how does that make you feel? Oh good, I said I want to feel like that. Why can't you appreciate me like that? Oh, nobody told you to do that. You did it on your own. Oh God, what the.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I get that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So you said you've been divorced. For what? Six years now.
Speaker 4:Over six.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what's your longest relationship since you've been divorced? I haven't had one, no, no, but I mean, have you seen women here and there?
Speaker 4:Well, I mean I would go out on dates and stuff like that and I would say maybe a couple months.
Speaker 3:Okay, months, okay, like now. Do you think? Do you think that being in a marriage for so long and kind of obviously learning the highs and lows from that, do you think that's kind of set you up to where now the next woman that you, that you're going to be with, do you think you have higher expectation or higher standards and maybe that's why something's not sticking, or what do you? What do you think why the in the past over six years, you only had a relationship last for a couple months maybe here there well I get scared honestly for of commitment or just just being heartbroken or broken up again.
Speaker 4:Just, I feel like it's going to be the same thing like when I was married, right Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I've grown to, I love living by myself, doing my own thing and honestly, I think I got a little PTSD, ptsd.
Speaker 3:I get that. Yeah, I mean 16 years is a long time. Well, I mean that's, it's not like a cup of coffee right, that's a long time right, right, I mean, yeah, I mean I, I, I get that well, and then nowadays the dating scene garbage yeah, garbage. Now are you meeting women like the old-fashioned way and going to bars and stuff?
Speaker 4:Well.
Speaker 3:I don't drink, Well, okay. Well then, how do you? What's your strategy? The gym, the gym grocery store. Okay.
Speaker 4:A gas station.
Speaker 3:So have you not tried or are you not interested to do the social networking? No, no, you know why.
Speaker 4:I tried the dating app. Yeah, the Facebook has a dating app yeah, people aren't who they say they are.
Speaker 3:Oh, of course, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, you almost it's crazy, because you almost have to like vet a person. If you meet someone online, you almost have to vet them first before and that's and I get that, and so now, what I've been told by multiple women.
Speaker 4:And I'm old school, I'm old fashioned. So if I go out on a date with a woman and I'm interested and I want to see her again, I'm not going to go out on any other dates because I'm going to focus on that. Sure, not women. They're like oh no, I'm gonna keep going out on dates until me and you told you that before.
Speaker 3:Oh, right to my face really, and they're like you're.
Speaker 4:They tell me you're wrong. Why would I waste my time? Yeah, I uh, you know when I could keep going out on dates? And I'm like well, how much time are you gonna waste, like if you tell me, hey, I like you, let's go out again? Well, now I'm competing against all these other guys that you're continuing to go out with. No, that's not no, cause I can get to know you and still go out on other dates. And I'm like no, no, because what if you like me and then we go out on multiple dates but you're still dating?
Speaker 4:yeah other men. What if you find another man interesting? To oh, yeah, yeah, right yeah and they're like well, I'm not gonna be committed until we have that conversation, but isn't that what you do, you, you? You get to know each other without any kind of interference yeah, to see if you were compatible. Yeah, together, yeah I mean maybe by the third date you might know yeah and say, hey, you know what, this ain't gonna work. What did you really? What did you miss out on?
Speaker 4:that's true, that's true, so you're right, I'm just like you know what, and plus from all the things that has happened to me, I love hard like if I like you, I'm like I'm all in all in yeah and then nothing wrong with that, yeah, but at the end of the day, may not, you might hurt yourself yeah right, you can't blame nobody, true, right? So now it's just like I go work out, I work my full-time job, I go to work at the gym and that's it.
Speaker 3:So, since you've had a lot of experiences with um in the date, in the dating scene, you can't talk right now. What, uh, what would you say is the worst date you've been on and and? If you have? If you have multiple ones, what are like your top three?
Speaker 4:so my top, my top one is that's funny, you asked that um so my, my buddy at work, we became really good friends, uh, and I told him hey, man, I'm going out on a date with this chick I met on facebook and not the app, just a chick on facebook, so there was a lot of red flags before we went out on a date right off the start oh dude, she had a tattoo on her neck.
Speaker 3:Oh boy, that said the trap yeah, I would say that's a red flag, right, okay, all right, and then she had tattoos on her hips of revolvers.
Speaker 4:I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:but she was sexy I mean. But I mean, don't get me wrong, those tattoo, like those revolver tattoos I like women with tattoos, like that's kind of hot.
Speaker 4:But I was ghetto before, yeah, but I'm in my 40s well, and you've had kids. You've raised kids, yeah she beat me in the ghetto Right. So, first of all, what was weird? She picked me up for the date.
Speaker 3:Okay. Right, I've never been picked. That's weird for you.
Speaker 4:Well, usually you either meet there or the guy picks you up, yeah. So I'm like, okay. So she got this little fur coat on, dressed all sexy, so we go to this place. Another red flag. She says, hey, do you mind if we just pay for our own food? And I'm like why that's weird.
Speaker 3:Right off the get-go too, that's kind of weird and I'm like why?
Speaker 4:well, every time I pay for a guy, I never talk to him again, and so she she was already assuming she was gonna pay for the date too well, yeah usually that's I guess that's her mos to pay for the dates well, because she asked me out, oh okay, okay, I see so.
Speaker 4:So she was like but she didn't want to pay for it because, yeah, every time she paid, the guy just bailed on her and I'm thinking in my head that's not because you paid. I saw these fucking red flags yeah, right, and then she kept texting on her phone.
Speaker 3:Oh so not even engaging right and I'm and look, I'm a straightforward person.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I speak my mind 100 and I told her is everything okay? Oh no, don't worry, baby, it's business, none but business. I'm, like you, real ghetto real fucking ghetto, right yeah so we went to some restaurant in holbert, some captain something. It was like a mexican restaurant, but okay, seafood, all right. So my keys fell out of my pocket at the bar we leave, and now we're in gary and she's like, hey, I gotta go to the atm, hold my phone, but don't go through it just take it with you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so the phone goes off while she's in there and I look at it and she goes, oh, did you find what you're looking for? And I'm like I wasn't looking for anything. She's like, yeah, right, whatever. So she got money out of the ATM, she took me to some fucking trap house oh no and bought a bag of cocaine.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 4:I swear to God. Then she goes to drop me off and I go oh, fuck my keys. So we call the restaurant and they're like, yeah, we came out, but we couldn't find you. She's like, oh, babe, I'll take you back, open this bag. I'm like, oh fuck, I'm an accomplice now.
Speaker 4:So I opened the bag and she just starts snorting right in front of me and then I start yawning. She's like oh, you're tired, have one. I said, nah, I'll just take a nap. I'm good I don't do that. I'm not in my 20s, yeah. So she takes me all the way back. We come back, she drops me off. She's gonna go to a Christmas party at the yacht club in Chicago with her aunt. She says pick me up at 10 o'clock. I don't want to be there long, I want to hang out with you. So I'm like okay, so I'm texting her. Hey, I'm outside.
Speaker 4:No response and I'm old man I gotta take a piss, so I go in there. She's on the dance floor juking like two dudes younger, pussy all up on them. I'm like, wow, oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, party girl.
Speaker 4:So I go back to my car and I says no wonder you're not asking me Having a good time on the dance floor. You didn't see me. Where are you at, you're lying. Then she comes out, drunk as hell. She goes. I was just dancing. I said you don't dance with people like that.
Speaker 4:I said, and then you got me outside waiting. I said I should have just left you here. I said but I'm a gentleman, I'll give you a ride home. And she's like oh my God, I'm so sorry, I'll suck your dick. I'm like you sound like a fiend. I was like nah, I'll just drop you off. She belongs to the streets, she is the streets.
Speaker 3:Right Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was the craziest date. That's wild, and you know what's fucked up. My buddy tells me hey, when you go out on this date, do me a favor, ignore the red flags.
Speaker 3:Ignore the red flags. What kind of shit is that?
Speaker 4:Well, because I'm the type that any little thing is a red flag. Oh, so he was kind of new with your person.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just chill out, give it a chance.
Speaker 3:Give it a chance right. Give it a chance.
Speaker 4:And I told him. I said, hey, should I ignore the fact that she took me to buy a bag of cocaine? Oh, that's fucked up. Yeah, the worst day ever.
Speaker 3:That's. Yeah, that sounds pretty bad, Like, just almost like a roller coaster of shit just going bad.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't date no more.
Speaker 3:You don't date anymore.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:So you're just so right now. You're just content with flying solo, I'm okay. Yeah, yeah. Is that something where you're just taking a break for now and you're going to get back in there?
Speaker 4:Well, I think I was looking too hard and finding all the wrong shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Right, so I'm just gonna Let it come to me. I see what you're saying, that's it. I see what you're saying and, plus, all three of my daughters Are pregnant right now.
Speaker 3:No, all three. I knew the one was All three. All three of them are yeah, are you serious? Yeah, okay, let's go down the line here. So your oldest daughter is how old?
Speaker 4:so my oldest is 27, all right, and then?
Speaker 3:then the next one is 27, okay, and then and the little one is 22 so which one is going to be living with you? The little one 22, so the other daughters do they. Are they in a stable relationship with a man? They're gonna be good to go my my first oldest.
Speaker 4:She's with a man. They live together they already have a, a baby, okay, a little girl. And then my second oldest is my daughter, my biological daughter that I had with someone else. Right, right and she's married, got her own shit.
Speaker 2:They both got good jobs.
Speaker 4:I don't worry about her. Okay, the one I worry about is the little one that's living with you, right? Well, she's in the process of moving in.
Speaker 3:And she's 22 years old. Does she go to school or anything? She doesn't do shit, nothing, nothing. So who did she stay with?
Speaker 4:right now, she is staying with, uh, a friend of hers that she was. They were roommates, okay when she got pregnant and then she moved out with this dude that got her pregnant and he lost his job, so they got kicked out of the place they were at not even two months after they moved in. Really, he's a piece of shit.
Speaker 3:And what the father right? Yeah, and so is he doing anything to secure or for anything?
Speaker 4:like that she. She says, uh. When he lost his job and they got kicked out of the place they were renting, he told her you're not ready to be a head of a household, and neither am I.
Speaker 3:The dude's in his 30s. No, so he's in his 30s. Yeah, my daughter's 22. So then does he have any kids of his own?
Speaker 4:Yeah, a 16 year old. Yeah, that my daughter could be best friends with.
Speaker 3:Where the hell did your daughter meet him at?
Speaker 4:From a friend of hers no shit.
Speaker 3:How long were they talking or together before she got pregnant? Maybe a?
Speaker 4:year. Yeah, Maybe that's crazy dude See. I never liked him because living at home with his dad, yeah, don't got a car, got a job. And I told her does he pay bills at his dad's? No, is he saving money to fix his car? Oh, he can't. He filed bankruptcy Red flag like a motherfucker. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And I used to tell my daughter, because she lived with me before, and I told her. I says, hey, you got to find someone that's going to motivate you to want to do better.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean, if you find someone that doesn't give a fuck about life, they're not going to give a fuck if you do anything with yourself. So I think my daughter's just anybody that'll show her attention and give her love. She's like oh my god on it, yeah, yeah because I think the divorce really affected her like that, because she was just a freshman in high school when we split up. So where's?
Speaker 3:her mom at. Her mom is out in the wind.
Speaker 4:In the wind, her mom her mom's like doesn't give a fuck about life, she's living with some dude behind, uh, the sombrero in the harbor. Oh really, you know where the sombrero? Yeah, on broadway yeah, she bartends there and he's a bouncer really. Yeah. And then they live in a studio apartment in the back of the building and they pay $500 in rent, everything's included, and her mom's like well, we're not gonna be here for long, you don't even have a car her boyfriend doesn't even want to work.
Speaker 4:We went to my daughter's baby shower yeah.
Speaker 3:I had to give them a ride with me so does it scare you or make you nervous or anxious, that you may feel obligated to really get your hands dirty and be involved, raising your grandchild and your child? See what, considering all the obstacles they have going on I will tell.
Speaker 4:Tell you this Everything that's happened to me in my life has brought me to this point, right, okay, so I raised two kids that weren't mine. Sure, they never knew that. They called me dad. My son was one years old. He looks at me like I'm his biological father. He knows who his real father is yeah. But he's always like you're my dad and that's just because of everything I went through.
Speaker 3:Yeah that you gave him love. I gave him what I wanted from a man.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Right. So, no, I don't have a problem with that because I didn't have that. So if that's all that I can give them, I'll give it to them.
Speaker 3:100, absolutely right I guess just one of those things where because obviously raising a baby that's, that's tough she's still a baby.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she's 22 years old. You know she thinks life is this, that and the other. And I try to tell her. I said look, if I told you the shit I went through growing up, you would have killed yourself in fifth grade. Jesus, yeah, that's rough man, I mean because nowadays come on bro Nowadays, these kids are real sensitive, oh, absolutely. They don't know what life is.
Speaker 4:Absolutely um they don't know what going outside in the summer all day playing, just hanging out. Yeah, and we're to blame as parents because we didn't teach our kids that, right, right and um, now that I try to tell her, life isn't as easy as you think.
Speaker 3:Nothing comes easy oh, life will bite you in the ass real quick dude, I told my life will kick you down and leave you there.
Speaker 4:You have to be mentally strong in order to survive this world. Think about it. It's true what people say you don't know what people have been through in life.
Speaker 3:No, that's why I don't fuck with people. No, Especially you got guys who will pick a fight with anybody just because they look at you wrong and like. But you have no idea what that person's background is. You have no idea if they're carrying a gun knife. You don't know if they're a psychotic.
Speaker 4:I heard a comedian say it the best he says you don't know what a motherfucker is going through right and you pick on the wrong motherfucker, he's gonna take out that divorce on you. Yeah, Half that 401k she took oh right Child support yeah.
Speaker 4:The kids. You don't know what kind of rage people have. No Like people look at me and they're like, oh, you're a nice guy, this and that, don't get it twisted. I could be that guy if I have to, because I have been. I mean, I've been shot. No big deal. No big deal deal, it happens.
Speaker 3:shit happens right yeah, I mean we all know why certain things in our lives happen to us.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, I agree, right, agree, yeah. A lot of people are like, oh, I can't believe that happened to me.
Speaker 3:You allowed that to happen like a lot of the if like at least 99 percent shit of happens in your life, because your choices are your actions exactly absolutely obviously there's freak accidents and there's stuff that you can't control yeah, right like someone runs a red light and crushes you and now you're paralyzed. Well, that's obviously out of your control, right?
Speaker 4:but a lot of that was supposed to happen, you think so I think so the way the world works, the way are you basing that on a spiritual, religious, no background?
Speaker 3:no you just think, I just think that my opinion.
Speaker 4:Nothing happens by coincidence. Okay, right, so everything that happens to your life happens for a reason but you have to find out the reason why you use the things that happen to your life for good or bad. Right, I could be this guy that's like oh, I had this horrible upbringing, feel bad for me.
Speaker 2:I'm a grown ass man yeah.
Speaker 4:I deal with it. Nobody has to know. You ask me. I'm open about it. You know I talk about it.
Speaker 2:It's OK.
Speaker 4:I'm past that. I've never went to counseling or therapy, but I deal with it the way I do, the way, yeah, right, and I'm pretty sure I got problems. I'm pretty sure I got issues.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I think everybody has problems to a certain extent, to a certain extent, but.
Speaker 3:I think everybody has skeletons in the closet. Everybody has their secrets.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:Everybody has their struggles. Even people who are rich millionaires have everything. They have their own problems at that level.
Speaker 4:People with money have more problems than people without money.
Speaker 3:You think so Well money doesn't buy happiness like they say right, it doesn't.
Speaker 4:You're not a millionaire and you have the best life. You have a wonderful wife, beautiful kids, a home, your job stability right. I mean, things happen, things come up, but it's not the end of the world, right, I think rich folks, especially like the top two percent people in this world, I think they get bored.
Speaker 3:They make all this money they they've, they've done everything they wanted to do and they get bored. That's how shit, like the fucking disgusting epstein island shit happens people get bored.
Speaker 4:They're like, yeah, I'm a diddy, how do you get that bored that you want to have sex with a man?
Speaker 3:dude, that's, that's, it's crazy, right, like because at that point you're like well, shit, I've done everything, I've bought everything. Let me get into some crazy shit something good. Oh, I know, do something good. I always thought that if I became famous or like a pro athlete and I had millions dollar, I at least in my opinion I feel like I would be the one always trying to give money out to charity or always making an appearance somewhere, because you hear those stories of young kids who meet their celebrity or their favorite athlete and like that resonates with them, just to meet someone that you, you know, celebrated and and and a big fan of and like, and I, you know, see all the like keanu reeves.
Speaker 3:Have you seen, like videos and stuff like how nice keanu reeves is real humble. Oh so humble he's always willing to take a picture of somebody always willing to give autographs. A lot of yeah, like that's a type of mentality that I think and I would hope that I had, that I would always be willing to make an appearance, makes yeah, make dozens of people's days by shaking their hand, give an autograph give them money back back to what I told you before.
Speaker 4:It's because of your background.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's because of who you were, how you were raised, right? Like if I was a millionaire dude, my kids wouldn't have to worry about anything. Oh, of course. Of course. Nobody in my family, right? I don't care who it was, I'm like here, here's a million dollars. Care of yourself right keanu reeves. He came from a back background, you know he didn't, he didn't have it, and now he's humble for sure. I mean you see him on on the, on the subway, giving up his seat to him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, and nobody even bothers. That's a great guy, that's. He's really one of the guys that would.
Speaker 4:He's loved everything yeah, his kid, yeah that's right his wife died, but they weren't together.
Speaker 3:But I mean still he's definitely like one of my. I would love to just have a two minute conversation with the man shake his hand, put him on the podcast we'll see. If it ever got that, I think he would be the type that would just do it out of the kindness of his heart, just take the time out of his day to do something you think these guys going on, joel rogan ain't getting paid?
Speaker 4:oh, they hell. Yeah, they are yeah hell, yeah, they are.
Speaker 3:It's all about the money I agree, you know, I agree with that. Uh well, speaking of speaking of millionaires, doans, do you know a woman named Sophie Rain? I've heard that name, so I saw this the other day. It came out probably just a few days ago. This woman reported let's see if I can find it Because when I heard, oh, here it is. So she revealed she's made 40 million, 43 million dollars just this year.
Speaker 3:This year's not even over, I mean, it's almost over right but just in this year this woman has made 43 million dollars just on only fans and that's probably videos. I don't know if she does porn or anything.
Speaker 2:Sex sells.
Speaker 3:Dude, but that's insane $43 million. And there's some girls I've seen on TikTok they show their bank account. In a month these women are making like 50K.
Speaker 4:My daughter's friend she used to live with. She was on that.
Speaker 3:OnlyFans.
Speaker 2:OnlyFans.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and let me tell you I ain't trying to judge nobody but no, there's a type for everyone. This girl is overweight, doesn't dress oh yeah, for sure and she's making two, three grand a month oh well, you're there.
Speaker 3:You could easily just Take videos and pictures of your feet, yes, and smash them in fucking cake, and men will pay over the top for that money, my ex-wife used to work with a lady that she had a website.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Where she would put pictures up of women's feet, and she asked my wife to do it and my wife did it and she paid her and she kept. I was like, no, you're not doing that, no more, that's what Just from that?
Speaker 3:no more.
Speaker 2:that's what just for walking on the beach. Yeah, filming your feet, dude like are as men. Are we really that perverted?
Speaker 3:thirsty and perverted.
Speaker 4:Yes, for that, that's so let's make up a page for just women to look at men. You'll be born be broke.
Speaker 2:No views look at my beer belly. Yeah right, no, it's not happening?
Speaker 3:it's not happening no, it's wild and I think about it. I know you have three daughters. If you knew you one of your daughters was doing that, but making great money, not 43 million dollars. But if you knew your daughter was doing this and she was making 300k for the year, would you support it? Would you?
Speaker 4:not acknowledge it, I would not support it.
Speaker 3:You wouldn't support it. No, you don't think. Well, and why is that? Just because of the material, because she's exposing herself.
Speaker 4:I'll be honest with you I've never been to a strip club really never by choice or just by choice came up just by choice. I've had friends. Hey, let's go to the strip club it's your birthday really, because I think that's disrespectful okay and degrading yeah for a woman to do that right. There's better ways of making money than to flaunt your body right yeah, there's guys that are okay, chippendales or strippers yeah that's the same thing yeah, it's the same.
Speaker 3:You're selling your body for money.
Speaker 4:You should respect yourself more than that. If my daughter did that, I would be like, hey, you know what? I can't tell you what to do. I'm not gonna support you. I don't want any of that money. Sure, I'm happy for you. Take care of yourself, but I don't want to know nothing about it okay yeah, I guess I respect that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I respect that yeah, because I I think about it too, and then I I fool around with, uh, my wife. Sometimes I'm like, yeah, babe, all you gotta do is take some pictures of your feet and we'll be, we'll make an extra two, three k, because it's just, it's just crazy, though, how how that works and how people are, like there's men out there that will pay you a woman like $500 to get their fucking panties mailed to you.
Speaker 4:That's wild too. I listened to this radio station in the morning and they talk about first dates, yeah. And the guy called the radio station and say hey, I went out with this woman, we had a really good time, but now she's not responding, so they'll call her for you.
Speaker 3:Oh, I think I've heard that too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was one Dude. I was laughing my ass off. So the guy goes on a date with this woman and then she tells him that there's a guy that pays her to touch herself while he's looking at her through her window in her bedroom really rubbing one out. No shit, she says. She makes thousands and the guy's like I don't want you to do that, no more. And she's like I'm not doing anything, he doesn't even touch me, he doesn't even come in my house. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like he'll call and be like hey are you available. She'll be like, yeah, and she'll be in her bedroom.
Speaker 3:But the fact that this guy knows where she lives is kind of unsettling too. It's one thing to post like to do like a live show like FaceTime.
Speaker 4:Has he done that to other women without them knowing? Oh, I know, right, you see what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying if he's into that type of shit, yeah, absolutely right, yeah, I, I was listening to another uh podcast and he had a guest on and like she was making money on the side like a thousand, two thousand dollars just from, I think, one or two guys just to pick up a phone and tell them that they're pieces of shit like men love to be degraded to, like you know, they have dominatrix people that, like men, love to be to have their nuts crushed and they're like I I don't understand. I don't understand where those type of fetishes come from. Like I said, if you got a fetish, that's your business.
Speaker 3:It has nothing to do with me, I don't care, you can have whatever fetish you want. It just amazes me that a man will pay money and get turned on by a woman, literally crushing their nuts, but it's only a man. I know you never hear about women having these weird fetishes, and if you do, I guess we don't really see it as weird right, because we're men we're pigs, I know right, we're like oh really, you do like that, all right pop up the video right you know?
Speaker 3:yeah, I guess you're right. I have never really heard of anybody. I mean you'll have women women don't have fetishes. They do things for money that, oh yeah I can see that right because I I have heard of women having like the whole stranger fetish. You know, like ever heard.
Speaker 4:Uh, if a woman likes their boyfriend to pretend they're breaking into the house, and kind of like I I see that, but I used to talk to a woman that I met on facebook and she's like man, you brought it, you brought all this out of me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I've never told nobody, and all these fantasies, that she, she, wanted me to act like I was arresting her I'll see it just yeah, she would have to have sex with me and that's more like role playing maybe, rather than a fetish and I'm like can I call you a whore?
Speaker 4:she's like you better you better that's a given, yeah, and I'm not even paying for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that that's wild yeah, but yeah, I can't. I'm like I'm just thinking about all the videos and shit I've watched and I can't really think of a woman saying, oh yeah, this is my fetish, is super weird. No, it's always the guys that have that weird type of think about it is a billion dollar industry oh, ridiculous, ridiculous, yeah, I mean, but, like you said, sex sells and unfortunately, that's I don't think.
Speaker 3:I don't think we'll ever get away from that, until we get to a point where a company could manufacture, manufacture a like real-life sex doll and that sex doll or AI robot could do everything that a woman could do.
Speaker 4:Until we get to that, point, I think, but it's, they're not AI.
Speaker 3:No, that's what I'm saying, but I'm but I'm saying like, like, like, what's that movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Speaker 2:Total Recall yeah.
Speaker 3:And he has that buddy who puts the VR on and he's got that hologram but he could feel everything. Until we get to that point, sex and porn, that's going to dominate this world.
Speaker 4:I would doubt that. We have the technology. We probably do yeah, and it's going to happen, oh yeah. Especially now, where VR is, especially when the government figures out that they can make money from it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, think about it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're right. You know, Illinois was the last state to pass the law where you can carry a gun legally were they really yes? I didn't realize that they were the.
Speaker 3:They were the last I knew you had to jump through fucking hoops to get your yeah well to carry now.
Speaker 4:In illinois you got to take a class. My buddy and his wife took a class.
Speaker 3:It was 250 a piece, an eight hour class isn't it crazy that Illinois has like the strictest gun policies and stuff but yet we got the worst shootings in the Chicago area alone they got one of the highest crime rates.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's wild obviously strict gun policies ain't doing shit for all the lives they're getting lost by the guy that, the guy that killed that cop, that young cop yeah, he had an ankle monitor, he they let him out, that's yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I I'm totally um what's the word I'm looking for? Convinced that anything that's illegal or prohibited, if somebody really wants something, that's not a being able to be able to be sold, right they're gonna get it. Well, if somebody wants a gun and they can't get it, you can't own a gun in illinois.
Speaker 4:I mean you can now, yeah, yeah, I mean you could before, but you had to go, like you said, of a foid car yeah it was only for home protection but the criminals got all the guns.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying like protect yourself like drugs, guns or anything that's illegal. If somebody wants something, they will find a way to get it illegally right, and that's so. It's like you could ban guns altogether, but people will find a way to get them.
Speaker 4:This country is ass backwards, I think, so it's a lot of shit but then you know what.
Speaker 3:You say that and, like I said, I don't have all the the knowledge. But when people say that I think about, well, this country's backwards, so let I'm gonna move to Europe or France, but then France probably got their own fucked up shit and the next country next to it probably has their own fucked up shit. We're only contesting to what we know and that this is this country. If we go somewhere, let's say let's move to Argentina for a year I'm sure we're gonna find some shit that we're like man, argentina's fucked up, you know it just sucks.
Speaker 4:I've met a guy at the gym. He's from another country and he says I said it's messed up here he goes. Man, it's messed up everywhere he goes. I just came back from my home and you're better off here, really yeah wow well like you said, it's just like a job. You're like, hey, I'm gonna go to this job. Well, the grass isn't always greener somewhere else, right? Oh, for sure because you have already been at your job, say five plus, so you already know what you're dealing with, right yeah so now you go somewhere else and it's a whole different fucking ball of game and you're dealing with this other bull.
Speaker 4:It's not the same bullshit from your last job, yeah, but it's still bullshit. So I'd rather stay where I'm at and deal with the bullshit I'm dealing with, then start all over.
Speaker 3:Sometimes the world is not fair.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 3:And it sucks and you got to just roll with the punches.
Speaker 4:Have you ever heard that saying where people say, oh God's only going to give you what you can handle. That's bullshit. I think that's bullshit. That's bullshit.
Speaker 3:I think you Okay. So I think you're handed a, you're dealt a certain hand and it's up to you how you play that hand.
Speaker 4:Well, think about it. They say that God gives you free will if you believe in that right. So how does he give you? He doesn't give you more than you can handle. If he gives you free will, Everything that's happening to you is because of you. Yeah, you're right. Right, or the things that have happened to you like me, All the stuff that happened to me growing up. I didn't choose that.
Speaker 3:Right, it happened. But then some people will say well, god was challenging, testing you, god was testing you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because look where you're at now.
Speaker 3:You're a better person for it.
Speaker 4:I don't like that I could have been a better person without that happening.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't like that. That's that's, and I get it because I'm not religious at all, like I'm I guess I'm not necessarily an atheist, but I'm I'm just one of those people who I don't think that religion should um control the way you live your life. Yeah, I don't think it should be the narrative right now. Do I believe that, like the bible and like the ten commandments, do I think it's a fairly fair thing to live by?
Speaker 3:of course, I think that's what religion was, was the main purpose was, was so to give a person guidelines to live a better life, right, right not to be scared into worshiping an entity that you can't prove is real, real or not right, and that, oh, if you don't live life by, by the bible or the whatever 100, 100% that you're going to not go to heaven, do you?
Speaker 4:honestly think people could live to the T the way the Bible wants you to live. No, Everybody's going to go to hell.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but then you know, the funny thing is is that you'll have criminals or rapists or murderers, that you'll have criminals or rapists or murderers, but and then they're told by priests, if you repent and take jesus as their lord and savior you'll go, you will get into heaven.
Speaker 4:What kind of shit is that? You know, they're telling them that because they believe in that, because they have to repent after touching that little boy. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. My, my whole thing is like I was brought up in religion, real real heavy right?
Speaker 4:well, not heavy but I'm the same way and then when you grow up, you look at life and things different and you make your own judgments. Yes, I believe my opinion, there's a higher being, whether that be god, aliens, something else, yeah, but I mean, that's like my buddy used to tell me he goes oh, you, you believe in aliens. Have you ever seen an alien?
Speaker 2:I said have you ever fucking met jesus? Yeah, right, and he's like no.
Speaker 4:And I'm like, okay, it's the same shit, it is you have faith in something you've never actually physically seen, right, right, that's the same thing as believing in aliens. I mean, as big as the galaxy is, yeah, and there's billions of galaxies out there, it's never ending, never ending. So you're telling me we're the only life form.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't agree with that. The only Big.
Speaker 4:Bang theory. I don't even believe that that happened. Oh really, no, yeah, I don't. I don't the only big bang theory.
Speaker 3:I don't even believe that that happened. Oh really, no, the big bang. So what do you think it happened? We were created, so you think so. Okay, so that goes back to your higher being. You think the universe, planets, stars, insects, any living organism was created on their well, not on their own, but created and set into motion to.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't say everything, but I believe that my theory is of the anunnaki. Have you heard of the anunnaki?
Speaker 3:no, what is that?
Speaker 4:that's, uh, that's an alien race, supposedly oh really they came here to mine minerals, gold from our planet.
Speaker 3:I have heard like what the whole egyptians, aliens come in and giving well, there's a guy, there's a guy I follow on facebook.
Speaker 4:I I don't know his name, he's a black guy and he does a lot of research. Man and the emerald tablets, like if you look them up and do your research.
Speaker 3:He says that the Bible was copied from these emerald tablets, right, Well, that's to say too, people have made points where, like, how can several civilizations that are on the other side of the planet, right, how can they have the same like visuals, or like the same scriptures, or the same same stories, same stories like how, like people question that and like that's a good point, right, how can two civilizations that were a hundred, let's say 500 years apart, right, lived on totally different continents? How could they have the same story?
Speaker 3:and a lot of it points to the sky well, that's what they did. Yeah, they I mean like the um well before jesus christ, they they use stars and stuff.
Speaker 4:Look at the uh. Who were they called in mexico?
Speaker 3:the um oh, the aztecs and the mayans yeah, the mayans.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they had temples and they could read the stars, and but. But who taught them?
Speaker 3:that they also believed in gods. They have gods and stuff. But it's just right. It's just like greek mythology right.
Speaker 4:Greek mythology has their gods that represent the sun, the earth I think they weren't really gods. They didn't know what they were? Yeah, of course they came from somewhere else and they're like, oh my god, that's a god, hey, I know, and you could go into a whole rabbit hole, oh, dude, it's crazy. There's so many conspiracies about that and it's just like and then I also think like so you you've seen.
Speaker 3:Have you seen the movie 23 with jim carrey?
Speaker 2:no he's.
Speaker 3:It's basically like something happens to where the number 23 consumes him.
Speaker 3:He finds anything number wise that has to do with his life, always reverts back to number 23 like his birthday is so, and so he's like oh, if you add up the month and date and divide by whatever, by my month, you get 23. Our, our address adds up to 23, like he's finding all this stuff that adds. So he, he, he thinks there's some kind of conspiracy with his life about this number 23, and my point being is that I feel like people could connect dots about anything to make them fit their narrative, you know they say that, oh, you got to go to church to be spiritual and all this.
Speaker 3:You got to get baptized.
Speaker 4:That guy says that we are God. We already have him in us.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:You know, we just got to figure out how to how to ascend to that higher being yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:You could start from california, go all the way to north carolina and you'll you'll talk to a hundred people and you'll get 300 different ways oh, of course, worship god or have the idea it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4:I do believe, though, that we're not the only ones here I, I solely believe that too, I.
Speaker 3:I just think the odds just coming from a logical and scientific point of view, the odds of that being true, that we're the only living beings is astronomical some, some of our ancestors said that the moon wasn't always there really I didn't hear that one, that it was brought there.
Speaker 4:Oh shit, really. Yes, look, I'm gonna have to look that one up. I I have never heard that conspiracy yeah yes, never heard of that, yes, that the moon wasn't always there. Think about it, think about this. Well, I think I have.
Speaker 3:I've heard that the moon maybe, was from like an asteroid broken off.
Speaker 4:No, they say they say the moon was created by the big bang. Right, so everything was it though. So well, supposedly they say everything that was left over from earth being created. Oh, okay, it just.
Speaker 3:Oh, I guess I'm just ignorant to the whole, but that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So but you're saying there's a theory out there that the moon wasn't created from that.
Speaker 4:So, if you think about it, look up how far the moon is.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So if the moon was just off by one degree or whatever, it would throw the it would throw the whole axis gravity, yeah, so how was it placed in the perfect?
Speaker 3:exactly, yeah, but then how do you? How would it have been placed there if not by the big bang?
Speaker 4:so hold on I'm gonna, I'm holding on, just gonna blow you away. Okay, so they say it's not a moon, it's's a spaceship.
Speaker 3:No, yes, really.
Speaker 4:Yes, really yes, okay. So look, I know.
Speaker 3:That's deep. You're going to be like yo.
Speaker 4:I'm editing that out. No, I'm keeping that in. No, so they say the craters on the moon are all the same depth. Okay, so look up. Okay, one of the missions that NASA went to the Earth. So there's a pod, it disconnects and then they land on the moon, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Then that pod goes back up and connects, they get out of it and go into the ship that they're going to come back to Earth on. Right, you know what NASA did what and you can look this up. They shot it at the moon, the lander, and they said the the moon rang like a bell for hours.
Speaker 3:What?
Speaker 2:yes, look it up I'm gonna look it up, look it up, you know what I'll text you, so you, remember you got me on this whole conspiracy, conspiracy theory thing.
Speaker 3:Now are you a flat earther? Are you rounder?
Speaker 4:you're in between, I'm in between, really, I cannot.
Speaker 3:I cannot phantom that the earth. So think about it, okay, I just can't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna give you something to think about. So in the bible they say god says theament. You know what? The firmament?
Speaker 2:is.
Speaker 4:I have no idea that it separates the waters above from the waters below.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:So they say that earth is a closed. You can't get off of earth, you can't fly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. A lot of people will quote the bible or like an old scripture, but it's like people back then that told the stories they couldn't describe it.
Speaker 4:They said that. They said that uh it's all interpretation. What was it? The disciples, yeah, wrote the bible yeah when they wrote the bible, they had been dead for a long time, so where did they get this?
Speaker 3:it's, I see, and I always thought the bible was just stories.
Speaker 4:It's like story story uh book you know what I call it and put it together and call it the bible, I call it a history book yeah, that's it right, but but then think about it.
Speaker 3:Okay, think about this way, right, think of a, just a short story, any type of short story.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:If it's told among thousands of people over hundreds of years, do you think that a thousand person to tell this story is going to be exactly the same story as that first person? No so it gets lost in interpretation.
Speaker 4:Did you know that there's books left out of the Bible on purpose?
Speaker 3:Why? Why is it?
Speaker 4:Because they don't want you to know the truth. Think about it. God's Jesus mom had a book. Why isn't it in the Bible? What's his name? Man, I can't think of it. Now there's a guy. He had a book and it talks about aliens and other visitors. You know who redid the whole Bible King James.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay yeah, so look up King James Exactly and that's another reason he could have left shit out, and added stuff in.
Speaker 4:He left shit out and added these holidays. If you look up the real meaning of Easter we're celebrating. Oh yeah, it's a pagan holiday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Isn't.
Speaker 3:Halloween the same thing too, yes. Yeah, it's like we celebrate these holidays.
Speaker 4:Thanksgiving isn't really a Thanksgiving. No, it's not. One of the presidents officially made it a holiday, yeah.
Speaker 3:Look it up. I have heard about the holidays that we're celebrating, these totally wrong.
Speaker 4:Yeah, how do we know exactly what day jesus was born?
Speaker 3:I, I, I get that I understand that I understand, I get that. I did, and I talked about holidays with um danielle on the first episode right that I'm I'm not into holidays whatsoever, like the whole celebration, and I think I think it's pointless and I think it's a money grab and and like like I said, thanksgiving.
Speaker 4:Why can't you give thanks every day?
Speaker 3:you're right. Yeah, why do we gotta wait for one day?
Speaker 4:one day to give thanks for what? For a whole year?
Speaker 3:yeah, that's why, like I said, I won't go too much into it, because I I didn't talk about it right, right but I'm, I'm with you, man, I'm totally with you on that, and I know. So how long have you worked at the gym? Uh? The ysa you've been there for two years, right, and I know you've seen some crazy stuff. Can you tell me, like, what's your biggest? Like ick or annoyance when you're either working out or stuff you've seen just work in the gym, just?
Speaker 4:give me a couple of them. My biggest pet peeve is people not wearing tennis shoes.
Speaker 3:Oh dude, that bothers me. I see people in like flippers. Slides.
Speaker 2:Crocs.
Speaker 3:Yes, that bothers me sandals, yes, really. Or you know what my big thing is? Pajama pants, yes, pajama pants. You'll see a guy with slides on pajama pants, a white beater and a fucking uh like a knitted hat, a knitted hat, like what are you doing?
Speaker 4:my whole thing is I see people with a whole gym outfit on and I'm like you had all that energy to get dressed and then at the end you were like, I'm just going to put some slides on oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no no. Buy some shoes. You ain't got to tie then.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4:And I got into it with a kid over that.
Speaker 3:Really yes. I mean, is it against the gym rules?
Speaker 4:It's a policy. Is it a policy?
Speaker 3:about what, like open-toe shoes or slide shoes, you have to wear tennis shoes. Okay, all right.
Speaker 4:At first they were like Crocs were okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Then they're like they're not okay. No, they were like Crocs aren't okay. They're okay now, they're not okay now. It's just like it's got to be a tennis shoe.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, I've seen dudes come in there with dress shoes on I like seeing the guys that come in in blue jeans and their work boots and you can't work out in work boots.
Speaker 4:That's crazy I've seen it, though it happens, and my whole thing is like when I work out in the afternoon, I'm not working and the kids that are working. I'm just like you're going to say something.
Speaker 3:So that's your pet peeve when you're more so working. So when you're working out yourself like what's a pet peeve? Or ick just among your fellow gym goers.
Speaker 4:While I'm working out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just among your fellow gym goers while I'm working out, yeah, like what's annoys you or what just bothers you.
Speaker 4:Just what bothers me is when there's like two or three kids on the same machine oh my god, and all they want to do is talk you're, I'm right with you.
Speaker 3:I did a tiktok a while ago about that and I was like, because I talked about how people wear pajama pants and shit like that, and there are some people that comment well they're, they're just trying to be comfortable, blah, blah. I'm like, dude, you're at the gym, you're not a sleepover, and you're right, and it's.
Speaker 3:It's more so the young kids right that are that go to the machine they don't have any gym etiquette yeah, I, yeah, I get that and, and that really sucks during the summer when all the college kids are off school. That's when I've noticed where you'll go to the Y and the gym will be packed, but you'll have two to four people at the bench at the cable machine.
Speaker 4:That's another policy at the gym.
Speaker 3:Well, you can't have more than two people at a machine.
Speaker 4:Really Even like at the benches and the squad racks. No, really.
Speaker 3:Well, because you're gonna take up too much time.
Speaker 4:Yeah so if there's four of you and you go first yeah by the time your set comes up again, you're cold oh yeah, I I well.
Speaker 3:That's why, when I go with um my wife, right danielle and aaron. Yeah, we, we try to get like two benches, that way we could go out once because, like I'm ready to go Like 90 seconds is good enough for me.
Speaker 4:Once you get that pump, you want to keep it. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:Let's go, let's go, let's go. So it's just so funny how your two pet peeves are exactly mine, and I think that goes for a lot of people, but of course you get people who will defend them.
Speaker 4:Well, because those are the people that are serious about working out. And that's how I feel too, yeah it bothers us, because we go there, because this is serious to us. This isn't a hobby where I'm watching TV and I'm knitting a sweater, I agree. You know, Totally agree.
Speaker 3:Are you into shoes at all Like Nike, jordans, dunks and anything like that? No, you know what. I was just scrolling the other day and you know they're coming out. You know how Nike has their high top and low top, dunks and it's like the shoes that I wear, but those aren't, I don't know. Have you noticed the shoes I wear? No I got the Nikes Like almost like those, Right. It's just they're Nikes but they have the same layout.
Speaker 2:OK, yeah.
Speaker 3:But they have a Wizard of Oz edition coming out and take a look at. Look out. I wish I had a video because I would love to put this on the screen. Look how ugly these shoes are. And these shoes currently have a price tag brand new, $1,500. Look at that.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 3:That's a Wizard of Oz. Nike low dunks Priced about what did I say? $1,500. That looks like somebody puked on the shoe and just left it there.
Speaker 4:But you know what? Somebody will pay that.
Speaker 3:It'll be sold out before it gets released.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and then a couple years down the road, two, three grand oh easily Easy, and I think that's why people do it.
Speaker 3:They scoop them up and hope in a year or two.
Speaker 4:Well, you've never seen them videos where they're like at a convention where they sell nothing but shoes.
Speaker 3:I've seen people like buy up their whole.
Speaker 4:Yeah, how much for the whole thing.
Speaker 3:Like 10 grand and stuff.
Speaker 4:I've seen one. The guy wanted 120.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, dude.
Speaker 4:But these are shoes you're never going to wear.
Speaker 3:No, exactly, if I pay 120, that's crazy dude.
Speaker 4:but these are shoes you're never gonna wear.
Speaker 3:No, exactly, if I pay 1500 for a pair of shoes, I'm never gonna wear them it's almost like like nft you buy something that you're not gonna use or you can't use. I mean, you could wear shoes, but the point you're buying them is not to wear them right and all you're doing is just hoping that the value goes up, and then you just try to sell them.
Speaker 3:Well, it's like the stock market yeah, which I'm not knock anyone, hey, make your money, but for the I just that shoe is so ugly and I don't understand how people like get into that shit and but hey, I mean I stopped being a shoe guy I think in my mid-20s, because in high school I I would always want the new jordans, the new nikes, always, like, always begging them, and then even in my 20s, I would go spend 200 on a pair of shoes that I would only wear during the summer and, like now, and then you're all scared to get them stuffed up, but no shit, just last year.
Speaker 3:I'm to the point where I am buying sketchers you know where I bought these shoe carnival dude, I'm telling you like now I I don't pay no more than like 60 bucks for a pair of shoes, because I just want something that's comfortable bro, growing up we didn't get shit.
Speaker 4:My mom would put a christmas tree. Yeah, no gifts, really, on Christmas Day, nothing.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean yeah, I get that, I mean people, they struggle we weren't poor. She just didn't buy you shit, Bro.
Speaker 4:She told me and my sisters that my dad was only paying $300 a month in child support. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Come to find out he was paying 300 a kid.
Speaker 3:No shit, she was getting 900 a month right yeah on food stamps, public housing, no rent and back then 900 is a lot more than the dude worked at the steel mill.
Speaker 4:I saw one of his check stubs one time. It was like 12 1300 for a week, wow, and that motherfucker didn't pay not one bill shit, that's.
Speaker 3:That's crazy, that's uh. I'll end on this quick story. Uh, do you like? Are you into energy drinks, caffeine and stuff like that? Have you? Do you eat at uh, panera bread at all?
Speaker 3:I've never had panera, you know I've had it a couple times, but it's never something like oh, let's go to panera. But I saw the other day that um, panera bread actually has three lawsuits uh related to. They have like a charged lemonade basically it's a lemonade that has caffeine in it but apparently there's three lawsuits and one of them is due to a florida man's death and two others that uh alleged it caused permanent cardiac injuries. They're saying that, uh, according to the food and drug administration, healthy adults can safely consume about 400 milligrams. So, like what those energy drinks have, like what? Between two to average about two milligrams, right and okay, you have maybe two in a day, you're, you're good. There's some people out there that drink like four cans a day I worked with a guy that had a seizure from him yeah, well, obviously there's.
Speaker 3:There's history and statistics, that, but it's usually from people overdoing it overindulging.
Speaker 3:This is just a person going in and buying, just one drink one drink and I guess the the lawsuit, the alleged lawsuit has been advertised as a plant-based and clean beverage that contained as much caffeine as a restaurant's dark roast coffee. So that's, like I said, about two, three hundred maybe at the most, but at 390 milligrams of caffeine when served without ice, a large charged lemonade had more caffeine than any size of panera's dark roast coffee. The court document said the charged lemonade also had a guarana guarana extract, which I know, like the monsters and stuff that I drink, they have that in too. But it's another stimulant that adds to the, to the caffeine and as well as the equivalent of nearly 30 teaspoons 30 fucking teaspoons of sugar on top of all that, on top of all that.
Speaker 3:So you got 30 teaspoons of sugar. You got that guarana extract that's another stimulant and then you have about shit like 350 milligrams of caffeine all in one drink and it's just just, it's wild that who came up with, like? Who comes up with this?
Speaker 4:shit, you think that was okay right, like I like.
Speaker 3:If anything, how about you regulate? And just hey, we're only going to serve this in a, in a small, because you know how big, large those containers get at any restaurant I don't know how long you've been into health and working out, but back in the day they had one.
Speaker 4:It was called uh jack 3d I? Yes, I have heard of that they took it off because people died from taking too much. Did you know that me and you can make come up with a pre-workout and it doesn't have to be approved by the fda or anything?
Speaker 3:is that why there's like the market is flooded with pre-workouts?
Speaker 4:Yes, me and you could go right now in the kitchen and be like, oh shit.
Speaker 2:I'm geeked. We're going to sell this.
Speaker 3:So the pre-workout is not FDA approved or anything like that?
Speaker 4:I did not know that. No, why do you think it always says dietary supplement?
Speaker 3:That's like loopholes you can get around about it that. That's why I thought that was kind of weird. Where you like you go to, you scroll on tiktok and there's so many of these pre-workouts coming out, yeah dude, that's a, but at the same time it's almost like sex, like like sex sells people were always itching for that I'm surprised that the government hasn't tried to get their hands into some of that money from the OnlyFans. I know, try to regulate it.
Speaker 4:I mean, they still have to pay taxes on that.
Speaker 3:They have to pay taxes on it, because it's income that you're getting.
Speaker 4:But if you don't report it?
Speaker 3:as an income, of course.
Speaker 4:I mean, when we get off here, I'll tell you something that. I heard about the IRS oh really, yeah, where there's really no law that says you have to file taxes. Okay, we'll talk about that off screen. The IRS is worse than the mafia.
Speaker 3:I believe so. Yes, I believe so.
Speaker 4:They're like fuck you, pay me? Yeah, right, because we only pay taxes on everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're right, you ain't lying. But on that note, we'll close it out, alright? Hey, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4:Coming on man.
Speaker 2:Anytime brother, it was awesome.
Speaker 4:Having you on For sure.
Speaker 3:I think it brings us A little bit closer For sure as friends for sure.
Speaker 4:I mean now, you know.
Speaker 3:About my history yeah.
Speaker 4:Which you know.
Speaker 3:Is pretty fucked up. I appreciate you.