Confident, Not Cocky
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Confident, Not Cocky
Young, Wild, and Free w/ Caleb
Caleb Perfect joins us to share his jaw-dropping tales, including an unbelievable incident with a naked man taking a bite of his ear. Through humor and raw storytelling, Caleb reflects on resilience, societal norms, tattoo stories, and the lighter side of life’s wildest moments. Caleb is young, wild, and free and has the stories to back it up.
• Caleb's harrowing experience with a naked man
• A discussion on personal preferences and societal norms
• The lighter side of tattoo culture and wild nights out
• Survival instincts: bear vs. shark attacks
• Exploring resilience through humor and life's unpredictability
As a saying goes, it ain't cocky if you back it up. This is Confident, not Cocky the show where bold conversations meet relatable real-life experiences. Hosted by Charles Campos Jr, this podcast brings you everything from the latest trends in news to personal stories that make you laugh, reflect and maybe even get a little emotional. Whether it's Charles flying solo or chopping it up with special guests, nothing's off the table and it's always straight talk, real and raw, no filter. So get ready for a ride that's as fun as it is real. So get ready for a ride that's as fun as it is real. This is Confident, not Cocky, and this is your host, charles Campos.
Speaker 2:Jr. Oh right, welcome back everyone. Happy New Year's 2025. Get it going. I'm happy to be sitting with someone who I've been trying to get on the show for a while now, but you know, life happens, things come up, people get busy. But go ahead and share with the audience who you are. My name is Caleb. Okay, now say it again, but without the question. Oh, my name is Caleb Perfect, all right. So we name is Caleb Perfect, all right. So we've known each other for a couple of years and the reason why I've been trying to get you on this show is because I've heard you've got crazy stories and I've heard you've lived a pretty interesting and crazy life, and you're not even that old. How old are you?
Speaker 3:No, I just turned 25.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you're still a youngin'. I got 10 years on, you, am I right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, like 10 years. You looked confused there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm 35, if you didn't know that by chance yeah, 10 years. But anyways, it's 2025, new new year. Let's jump right into it um, give me your most craziest, funniest, unbelievable story. I know I kind of put you on the spot here yeah, I'm trying to think of something that's like, like, appropriate. I don't really have any type of censorship. I cuss. Uh, we we've talked about suicide, we've talked about trans people, we've talked about, oh there's, there's really no limit yeah, um, I think craziest story like everybody always wants to hear.
Speaker 3:Uh, when I got my ear bit off by a crackhead.
Speaker 2:What part of the ear, like the lobe or the upper part.
Speaker 3:He had like a real weird overbite, so like he got like real gnarly on the front and then just like a little bit in the back, I don't know what.
Speaker 2:I guess like well, you got long hair, so it's always covered, so I guess I never noticed that. Okay, so continue. So somebody took a bite on your ear.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So me and my buddies all went to the Badlands and then we're on our way back and I had a truck that we were hauling all the equipment down, or four-wheelers and stuff. So we pull in this driveway and there's this girl that my buddy brought with as like a double date. It was terrible. And so as soon as we pull in, she waits. She's like I want to go home, can you take me to my car? I'm like, yeah, no problem. So I back out with the trailer still on and I go, pull down the road. Like 100 yards from my house and I live in the middle of nowhere. There's a truck sitting in the middle of the road, all lights off, and uh, I pull up, flash the lights, nothing. Uh, he waves his arm to like kind of tell me go around. And I'm like, uh, hey, dude, can't get around you. And he weighs on me again. I'm like what the heck? So I honked a horn, nothing. Waves on me again. I'm like there's a ditch on both sides, I can't go around you.
Speaker 2:So, uh, I lay on the horn and I had train horns so I flipped the switch like so a train horn, so it's not like one of those, like it's a different from an air horn no, it is an air.
Speaker 1:So that's what you call a train horn. Yeah, okay, so you?
Speaker 2:got what like a couple train horns on top of the, on top of the truck oh no, I had a toolbox in the back and they were mounted to that.
Speaker 3:Oh no, shit, okay, yeah, all right, go ahead. So, um, I laid on them, did not let it off and for like a few seconds. Like, yeah, I just let it eat, yeah, and um, so this dude gets out like six foot five.
Speaker 2:So wait, so you guys pull over. No, no, we're still in the middle of the road.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, yeah, there's ditches on both sides and he gets out like six foot five and he was butt naked.
Speaker 2:Really yeah, no clothes on, no clothes on, no clothes on.
Speaker 3:So he comes up and my window's down, I don't even know what to say, and he just tells me. He says, dude, we got a fucking problem. And I was like, yeah, dude, get the hell out of my truck. So I pushed him so your window was down. He comes up on you and you just push him. Yeah, and they were crank windows, so I had no chance, All right go ahead and he must have like skinned something when he came down, because when he got back up he was mad, oh, so he fell into the ditch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I pushed him. He fell down butt naked, dude, you know he hit something and he gets up, starts trying to hit me through the window. So I'm trying to get out of the truck and I hand my buddy my gun.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't want to crack head, get my gun. Okay, yeah, I didn't want to crack head, get my gun. Yeah, of course. So, uh, I get out and everything he's on the ground and I tell him I'm like hey, dude, we're good you done. He's like yeah, yeah, I'm done, like cranked out is it like a old like?
Speaker 2:is he in his 40, 50s or is he like?
Speaker 3:he was like barely older than me. Okay, so all right. Yeah, old enough to bite crack? Yeah, of course. So I open the door and I tell my buddy he was a boxer for like 10 years, didn't help me, he just watched the show. Yeah, dude, I'm out there getting messed up. He didn't even care. So I tell him like hey, connor, call the before I say fucking cops, this dude jumps on my back butt naked, butt naked, all right and latches onto my ear are you serious?
Speaker 3:and it just latches on and I'm like I'm freaking out, panicking, don't know what to do. So I slow down and I'm like, all right, well, I'll shove my thumb in his eye.
Speaker 2:It's not like. I don't know why. I thought you're gonna say something. No, dude, I was like damn okay, right up the butthole. No, okay, all right, go right into the eye.
Speaker 3:And it's not like in the movies, dude so it went like a shark dude it like went under his eye and I wanted to puke so now all right, I'm freaking out, I'm frantic, I'm like, please get off of me, please go for me. So, uh, he gets off. I'm bleeding like profusely, if that's a word and um you, you use that correctly.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:You know $50 word, don't ask me to spell it and he walks away and he calls me a pussy and then drives off like slow, and that was that. Yeah, just real dramatic. Well, I go to the hospital and they told me they couldn't stitch my ear up until the cops got there because they had to take pictures. Oh Well, they could.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess the cops have to take the pictures, right? The hospital couldn't take pictures and then sew your ass up, dude, they could have done it with an Android and I'd be fine with it. I know right, you just get it done, yeah.
Speaker 3:So that sucked. I didn't like that.
Speaker 2:So how long did you sit there with your?
Speaker 3:I'm assuming they stopped the bleeding somehow and just put a bunch of like cotton on there, came in like, sprayed it off with some like cold water or something. Yeah, it wasn't a good time. How long were?
Speaker 2:you sitting there before the cops got there like two hours. I'm like because were you like in a small town or like a populated area at that point?
Speaker 3:uh, the hospital was like to me the ghetto, but um, like a heavily populated yeah town, I guess okay, so it took them two hours.
Speaker 2:They had. They took pictures of your ear. Yeah, I'm assuming you made a report on this guy. Yeah, yeah, did you. Did anybody get his?
Speaker 3:license plate number or anything. So he was. Uh, he was three rooms down from me, no, yeah, so was he really? Yeah, and he said he was the victim. No shit. I'm like bro, I'm missing an ear bro.
Speaker 2:No way. So he was. So did they arrest him? Yeah, and it took like a month.
Speaker 3:To what To arrest him?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was just out and about no shit, yeah, so how did you, did they call you and be like, hey, we finally arrested the guy, or how did you know he got arrested a month later?
Speaker 3:I'd seen his mugshot.
Speaker 1:Oh, for real, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It was like a month later and then they reimbursed me for my $400 ER visit. That was it. Oh, the town did yeah. No, maybe it was Either the town or maybe his insurance perhaps the town, or maybe his insurance yeah, perhaps well, he had to go to anger management, uh he drug rehab, because they told me all the different things that he did and um, he had probation.
Speaker 2:So was he on drugs? Like did you get an official report that he was on drugs that night?
Speaker 3:well. So the cop comes in and he looks at me, says I thought you'd be'd be bigger. And I'm like why? And I guess I'm tuning him up pretty good, yeah. And the cop tells me, he says yeah, he failed a drug test.
Speaker 2:Oh shit. So he was on something clearly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I tell everyone crack.
Speaker 2:Probably is what it is. I mean the fact that you're sitting in your truck butt naked. I mean that's got to be high on something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's like a you know just one in God moment.
Speaker 2:So you're 25. How long ago was this? I was 20. So about five years, so not even that long ago.
Speaker 3:No, no, not like I can't wear a motorcycle helmet or nothing.
Speaker 2:Why Does it?
Speaker 3:hurt. Yeah, dude, oh, so it still hurts. Yeah, dude, oh so it still hurts. Yeah, like I can't even make a phone call, I got to do it on my other ear, no shit.
Speaker 2:So you got long-term basically injury from this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not about soon. I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:I was going to say. I mean, if it's been that long, clearly you have some kind of nerve damage. I would assume. I mean, I'm not a doctor, but shit. I mean, if it still hurts just to put a phone up to it, then clearly they jacked it up.
Speaker 3:Well, it was like the doctor. They told me that they thought later on they were going to have to come in and take it off the whole way.
Speaker 2:What were you thinking at that point? I would be freaking out dude.
Speaker 3:Dude. I was like I ain't never going to get overalls.
Speaker 2:Dude, dude. Be a lopsided walking funny man, head tilted, although always got neck pains.
Speaker 3:You'd really have to sue somebody, so, but when they told you that were you just like freaking out that you might lose your ear yeah, I mean, I had that clarity moment where, like I was like it'd be kind of cool, you know I'd look like a badass, and I was like no, did you have long hair back then as well? No, no, easy access, high and tight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was just in there, easy access. Yeah, I like that man. So what happened with the friend? Did he say why he didn't help you? Was he just like in that flight or fight mode where he was just in flight mode and didn't know what to do or didn't want to help like did you ask him hey bro, why didn't you help me?
Speaker 3:oh, um, I don't really think I ever asked him really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd be hella pissed dude.
Speaker 3:The thing that burns in my mind is, uh, his face while he watched the guy bite my ear like it, just just pure shock I mean I I get it because, like I said, people have that flight or fight in them.
Speaker 2:Some people, when they get even like a simple confrontation, people don't know how to act or people will get like frozen and shit. So I mean I get it to the point. But if you're my boy, I'm like dude, you're gonna let this naked ass dude, jump on me, fucking balls and penis all on my back and shit.
Speaker 3:That's where he drew the line. Yeah, he was like I got you, bro, but the clothes I drew the line.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to accidentally touch his pee-pee or nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like fuck you, dude. He knew what he had to do. Grab a twist, oh that's sick dude he could have been a boy you know it's you.
Speaker 2:you might think this is kind of fucked up, but I was thinking about this because you know I go through tiktok all the time and scrolling and scrolling and I don't know what it is and I might get some shade for this. But but you know what really bothers me? Low-key Midgets or, I'm sorry, little people, little people.
Speaker 2:Little people.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you call them, and it's not that I am scared of them or I discriminate against them or like scared of them, or I just discriminate against them, like I mean, I if I see one on the street I'm not gonna like run up and punch them in the face like there's no hate about it, but I don't know like something about them like bothers me and it's not like a like uh type of feeling, but it's just like man, like they're so short, like the way they have to function and the way their bodies build, and and then you see a lot of them have like families and then I don't know, I guess I I feel bad a little bit when they have like babies.
Speaker 2:And obviously when you have, you know, two little people, I don't know if it's scientifically just a hundred percent that they're gonna have another little person when they give birth, but chances are high, I assume. And the kids grow up and there's babies, you know one, two years old, and they got all these complications. It takes longer there for them to learn how to walk compared to the normal person.
Speaker 2:I'm like man and you know what? I'm just gonna go out and say it like I get two people who love each other and they want to have a baby. I mean, that's just normal human like feeling, but it's like man like why would two small people, I guess, do that to another person?
Speaker 3:Like you know, have a baby. So what do you got to tell your love one day Give them those complications purposely, Like?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I might sound like a jerk for this, but it's 2025. I'm going to speak my mind. I got a platform. I got someone who here sitting across from me. I'm going to speak my mind. I got a platform. I got someone who here sitting across from me. I'm going to just say what's on my mind. I take notes of just all the random shit that I think about during the week and I'm just going to throw them out there.
Speaker 2:But, I guess for my question for you do you think you would ever get with a small person? I mean like get?
Speaker 3:with a small person. I was praying this was going to come up.
Speaker 2:I was praying, see, and I don't know this story. So this is just. I was just curious, because you like to party, you like to explore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we get around. Yeah, christopher Columbus man. Yeah, I'm an explorer.
Speaker 2:Okay, so do you have a story of this situation happening already, or what do you got?
Speaker 3:No, I've never slept. We're talking about sleep, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah no, no, I've never slept with a midget One, I've never had the opportunity. Okay, not saying like that's the real problem.
Speaker 2:No, I know.
Speaker 3:I don't think I could dude.
Speaker 2:You don't think so. I don't think I could do it. Okay, I get the height I get. But I mean, if you're talking about like a 25, 30 year old little person, I mean their features are pretty distinctive of being of an adult you know.
Speaker 2:But you know, I mean like I don't think I could do it, so it's the height issue really for you yeah, dude, like I can't do it I mean, don't get me wrong, there are some very oh yeah, good looking little people. I mean just going through tiktok and stuff like there's some really pretty, um, little people, women, out there. But what gets me is like just the way their arms are, I mean and of course they can't control that, so obviously you don't, I don't hold nothing against them, but it's just, let's's just call it like a preference. I mean clearly, I mean just the way their body's shaped and the way their bones are. It's just. It's like you look at the face I'm like, oh wow, she's really pretty. And then you get below the neck I'm like, oh man, those legs are bowlegged some.
Speaker 3:It's like skipped. A man must have missed you know you're right.
Speaker 2:And then I think there's some people who have that gene in them, but it's not like 100, and then they grow to be somewhat normal. There's, uh, little people who have like full, grown like six feet. You know kids that grow up to be that tall, totally normal, and then their brother or sister will be a little person. So like it's with anything like. It's a gene thing. You know, things get passed on to your children. Some things may get skipped and all that, but I I think what this stems from for me is just a preference. You know, like you said, it's like the height, like you're not saying that person's not a person. That's why I don't want to sleep with her. It's just something about the height doesn't do it for me. Same thing with like and I'll ask you would you ever sleep with a trans person?
Speaker 3:I think I'd sleep with the midget first but I mean, we're talking like can't tell.
Speaker 2:Well, let's put it this way, let's say post-op, post-op let's say post-op, to let you know are they courteous?
Speaker 3:are they courteous?
Speaker 2:I would hope so that would be the courteous thing to do yeah let's say yeah like transition, looks good she's. They say they're post-op. Yeah, do you still take that route?
Speaker 3:oh, dang dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, I ain't even gonna like, let's put it this way if we're real quick before you answer and people know about it everybody knows, yeah well like everybody. I mean like with your inner circle, maybe a couple people at work, oh, I thought she was lying to everybody.
Speaker 2:Huh, I thought maybe she was lying to everybody and I'm not saying she's gonna post it on the internet and thousands of people are gonna know this, but I'm just saying one night you go out, she tells you you hook up and it's just eventually just a story you either tell or people find out. Would you? Would that change your mind at all?
Speaker 3:I don't know, dude, like this 2025, you could always pull that card. You could take her to a bar, get hammered, blame it on that, but like, by the time you have grandkids, dude, they might think you're cool, you know what I mean. They might think you're cool, like you have back in the day, yeah.
Speaker 2:I diddled that a little bit. Yeah, I got with terry. Yeah, but you don't think that would mess with your head at all, thinking like man, everything on the surface is cool, but it's like you're like you're pumping, you're like this is a dude, you don't think that would throw off. I think maybe if that came into your head that might throw you off. But like you, if you're at the bar you're drinking, you're liquored up a little bit, you may not even care. But what if that next morning and they don't got that makeup on? Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:Them 3 am thoughts are different. That Adam's apple is right there. Yeah, you just roll her over. God, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing. I think a more realistic question would be like what if you found out after? Would you be mad Like me if I found out after? I think I would be mad I would. But I think if someone came up to me like 100% honest was like yo post-op. I'd be like hey, we can be friends, but like no, I can't.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, Because, like inside my head.
Speaker 3:I would just know. It would be like a mental thing for you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it would kind of suck. I'd be like, wow, like you ever have those friends who will like show you a picture and be like, would you hit that? And you're like heck, yeah, yeah, of course, all the time, yeah, and I was like or?
Speaker 2:even people who are pre-op and they look like damn, that's a beautiful woman, yeah that's a guy.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, yeah, I just let them know my.
Speaker 2:My answer did not change, so do you think the way you talked about it and you said it as far as your mindset, do you think that makes you transphobic? I'm just curious, just to ask Some people do Some people think, because since you don't prefer a trans woman, that makes you phobic? I can't think that's dumb? I think so too.
Speaker 3:It'd be like I got friends that they like guys. I don't know what we can say on here.
Speaker 2:Anything Okay.
Speaker 3:I got gay friends.
Speaker 2:It just is what it is.
Speaker 3:And I don't want to sleep with them. I don't want to sleep with any guy.
Speaker 2:Right because, it's a preference right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and some people are like oh well, that means you're homophobic.
Speaker 2:See, I hate that argument yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm like I'm not avoiding him.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean like we're cool, we're tight. Well, I'm tight, you know.
Speaker 2:And that's the way it's going to stay then, yeah, yeah yeah so, but that's like the problem with those everyone and it's no, it's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's becky who's straight and goes to community college. She's pissed about it. I know, right, and a lot of the gay people are like speaking out on it because trans folk or not, sorry, trans, uh gender people are assuming that's the issue. They're like well, people are transphobic because they don't want to be with a trans woman or a trans man. I'm like no, it's just just a preference, just like how you said you could be a, there could be a gay guy right next to you, but if you don't want to sleep with them, it's because one, you're straight and two.
Speaker 2:You prefer a woman. What'd you say?
Speaker 3:oh, I said because he's not right rules no, but yeah, that that's.
Speaker 2:That's such a stupid argument and that's kind of the downside of people having access to platforms. I mean, look at me, it wasn't very hard for internet and a phone or tablet, you could create a TikTok account or a YouTube account and express all the damn opinions that you want. And it's also like because do you? Are you going back to working out? Because I know, like last year, you're really big into it. Have you gotten back into it yet, or no?
Speaker 3:I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I want to, but my schedule doesn't allow it.
Speaker 2:No, that's fine, but what I wanted to bring up is because remember back when you were going, we were talking about all the stuff you were hearing from this guy and that guy. Well, there's like the gym content, especially on TikTok, is so over diluted that everybody and their uncle thinks that they're a fitness expert. You'll have one person say this and then you'll'll have another quote-unquote expert say that that guy's bullshit and it's really this. And then you'll have another guy say, well, person B is kind of right, but it's really this. It's so hard to take the word of anybody and that's why I get pissed off when I watch these tiktoks like I rather watch people post their progress and their lifts, stuff like that. Talk about that.
Speaker 2:Six months ago I was here. Now I'm here and I'm making progress, rather than all these people who are usually jacked talk about, well, if you want to get big shoulders, you have to do do this. But the thing is, think about it this way. Okay, so say, two years from now, I get jacked like I look good, fucking mr olympia type. Shit. Yeah, I could literally go in the gym record myself and do the goofiest lift that I could think of and just tell anybody. Hey, if you want to work your triceps, do this lift instead.
Speaker 2:And then a 16-year-old who wants to get into fitness watches my video and then goes to the gym and try to do that workout and it's not benefiting him. And try to do that workout and it's it's not benefiting him. If anything, it's just benefiting me or the person that's doing the content just to get clicks. So I don't know what your FYI page is. Mine is usually just like well, recently been a lot of like gym stuff. But I mean, what do you think? Do you have like a certain hobby or anything or certain stuff that comes on your page? And you have like a certain hobby or anything or certain stuff that comes on your page and you're like this guy's bullshit, or I've heard that this guy say bullshit about this, or what's your? Is your page just cars?
Speaker 3:um, most of it's like trucks and uh, fitness and everything. Uh, the only thing that sucks about fitness is this stuff. This stuff can like negatively affect somebody. Yeah, I agree, you're putting out misinformation. Now we got people like tearing sucks about fitness. Is this stuff? This stuff can like negatively affect somebody? Yeah, I agree, you're putting out misinformation. Now we got people like tearing muscles or uh, like promoting a diet that's so unrealistic, like, uh, everyone's on liver King right now. Um, oh, yeah, I remember that guy. Uh, well then you got people promoting these, these diets that like can destroy your, uh, your thyroid and stuff. Yeah, and I'm like dude, you can like really like hurt people, but that's the thing it they don't care they just want views, they want clicks, they want views.
Speaker 2:And then you get people who sponsor whatever pre-workout or gear or gear meaning like clothes and as long as they're getting thousands of views a day, they don't care, and that's what's fucked up, and that's why there's a big positive of having accessible platforms like this where you could post it on the internet. And then there's also the big negative where people are just trying to get clicks and make some money. It's stupid and it's always going to be that way as long as we have easy access to tiktok, youtube, podcasts, whatever it may be. I mean, there's people who go to campuses and set up a table and they'll talk all political stuff, and I get it, and some say it's about education and you know what? We don't even have to go down that route, because that's going to be a whole big, a whole big thing that I really don't even want to get into.
Speaker 2:But have you heard and I think this just kind of unraveled a few days ago, so I might be little late, but have you heard about the pregnant woman that was stabbed in Florida over a shitty tip for delivering pizza? What, yeah, there was. I won't put names out there, which I probably should, but it was her, I believe, her daughter and boyfriend, husband, husband or whatever it was, and I guess they were staying in a hotel like a staycation. They didn't go anywhere, but they were around their neighborhood and they were just trying to enjoy the the man's birthday and I guess earlier that night they ordered a pizza and I guess they left like a two dollar tip yeah whatever.
Speaker 2:I mean if, if you don't want to tip, you don't have to tip, should you tip? Yeah, most likely, especially like a service like that, but that's a whole nother debate in its own. But it was a five-year-old daughter and I guess just right before midnight they heard someone like pounding on the door. I'm like, you're at a hotel, I'm like, and who knows what kind of hotel this was.
Speaker 2:This could have been like the ritz inn and nice as hell, or it could have been like a little rundown hotel so who knows what kind of hotel it was, but they heard a banging on the door and they said that like three people charged in one had like gunpoint to the daughter. They made the man go into the bathroom at gunpoint. I'm like, and you have no idea what's going on. And they said that the, the woman because I guess it was two guys and the woman and the woman just took out a knife and just started stabbing this, this other woman, and I guess she was one month pregnant, but I think most of the stabs were like in the leg, yeah, but she got stabbed 14 times for this shit, and I guess they even because they were. You know, you're yelling like why are you doing this? What's going on? Who are you? And I guess they verbally told this family it's because the shitty tip that you left me earlier in the night.
Speaker 2:And so they, the police, identified the, the stabber. Her name is brianna avello, so they got her in custody and I don't, I don't know what the if they've given her a sentencing probably not, because it's just kind of happened in the last week, but they got her. But the thing was is that they were asking about money and I guess the men with the guns. They were asking about money, but in the end, no, they didn't end up taking the money. So's kind of makes you think like it was a personal, like vendetta, yeah, but like how the hell, how? I don't even know what the word not shallow or how mentally unstable do you have to be to be like? This bitch gave me a $2 tip get off work, grab some homies and then go back to the hotel, and I don't know if she had intentions to kill them.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's pretty fucked up 14 stabs or maybe they had the intention to just rob and like scare the shit out of them. But the part is like stab, Like, why stab 14 times? Because I believe it was all in the leg. And if you're going to go with the intention of stabbing like, why are you not going to go for, like, the chest or the, you know, the upper body?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that kind of tells me like maybe she didn't have the intention of stabbing, but then maybe got in there, shit went sideways, maybe she was put up a fight and she just boom, boom, boom, just went ham on the leg and but that's fucked up Like it's. It's so scary nowadays that, like you can't even go to a hotel down the street to just you know, maybe, who knows, they probably wanted to use the pool or just hang out, whatever. But it's scary nowadays that you can't even do that without people having a mental breakdown over something so stupid. As a low tip, and I guess they, like I said earlier, they caught the woman, but I believe one of the guys is still out there. They haven't caught the other guy and I mean I get it because she says that and I quote, I am scared and he knows exactly how me and my boyfriend looks.
Speaker 2:He stared at the man for so long with the gun pointed to his head. I want them to get him as soon as possible because they're monsters, they should not be on the street. I mean, if that man really wanted to come back, I mean they know what she looks like, they know what the daughter looks like, you know, they know what the guy looks like. I mean, all you got to do is kind of just do a little research, see where they live, and from there, like a little research, see where they live, and from there, like you're kind of almost living in fear. Like what do you do in that situation? Like, have you ever been in that situation where you've gotten stabbed or in a knife fight or anything? Have you ever had a gun pointed to your head?
Speaker 3:um, I got carved up with a box cutter once. Are you serious? Yeah, so I was working at a strip club. Wait, wait wait you worked at a strip club. Yeah, yeah, yeah, as a what Don't say a bouncer? No dude, I worked at the door taking the cards and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, all right, I was like okay.
Speaker 3:Well, it was like a one security I guess and um. So this guy calls in and he's asking what the girls do after they get off. That's are you? That's super, yeah, yeah, like like super sauce like what do you mean? They go home like yeah well, that's why I told him I was like, dude, they, they get in their car, they get escorted to their car, all right, and then, uh, they go home and he's like, well, they don't want to make a little extra money?
Speaker 3:And I was like no dude like this is Chicago okay. Like these girls are making thousands of dollars a night, they don't want your $750. And I know what he was wanting, yeah right.
Speaker 2:of course he wanted a little lovely night with a woman.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he was skunk hunting. Yeah night with a woman. Yeah, yeah, he was skunk hunting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was on hole patrol and uh. So I told him I was like no dude, they don't do that, they go home. You know, and I mentioned, that's illegal, that's prostitution you know, just in case you didn't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we don't do that. Yeah. So, uh, there was this guy that I worked with. Uh, his name was Hector, but he was slightly older than me, so I called him Uncle Hector, okay Okay. So he comes up to me. He's like dude, you wouldn't believe this. There's this guy asking what the girls do after they get off work. I was like dude. I just talked to this guy on the phone, oh so he called in again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then still comes in, oh shit. And so I go up to him and I tell him like hey, dude, what's up? And he tells me he says oh, I was just curious what the girls do after they get off.
Speaker 2:So he's on a mission. Oh yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I mean like he was ugly.
Speaker 2:Like he had to pay for it, yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I kept telling him, like they get escorted to their car, making sure he knows that, and he's like, oh, okay, okay. And he tells me. He says, well, how much is it to get in?
Speaker 2:And I told him 75 bucks, like is this towards like close to the end of night, or is this like at the peak of the night? No dude, it's like 10 o'clock.
Speaker 3:Okay, yeah, on a weekday, these aren't even good-looking girls, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It's the B team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the.
Speaker 3:B team, and so he asked me how much it cost. I told him $75. And he's like I thought it was $20. And I was like then why did you ask?
Speaker 2:Wait so were you lying to him?
Speaker 3:about it. It was not $75. It was $20. So you were trying to make some money on the side huh well, he asked me because I was yoked dude, like I'm not a very tall guy, so 180 pounds, I was kind of intimidating. I got you and um, so I told him because he asked why I was he was paying 75 and I told him I said, in case I gotta kick your ass. So he was like real nerdy and everything and uh he gives me 75 dollars oh shit yeah, he asked for a manager or nothing.
Speaker 3:What a little simp. So, uh, he had a yellow rain jacket on, like or like a windbreaker. Okay, this is very important this is why I got stabbed.
Speaker 2:This is crucial to the story.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so he uh goes, sits down, drapes his windbreaker over the back of the seat and he's watching the girls do their thing. And then, uh, there was this girl, rose. Uh, that was her stage name, I called her rose or rose. It was just rose and um so I called her wolf tits because she had two wolves tattooed on her tits oh, I thought, because I don't know why like, did her tits look weird?
Speaker 3:yeah, no, no so it had some code titties or something so she's walking out and they got to get dressed to walk outside so she throws on these nasty sweatpants and like a t-shirt and she's walking out. Sure, I was like bye. And she says I'll be right back. I'm like right, bye. So then old fucking creeper walks out and I was like, hey, dude, see, uh, he's like bye and I didn't think nothing of it, so you just stay outside the door the whole night, right no?
Speaker 3:you'd walk in and, and then there was like a little liaison station, I guess you could call it, so you kind of hung out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like right by the door, Okay all right, and so he walks out.
Speaker 3:I'm not thinking none of it. And then five minutes goes by and I see his windbreaker and I'm like dude, he is not.
Speaker 2:So I walk outside and sure enough he's, uh, he's standing there and rose is looking at me like a deer in the headlights. Wait, so it is. Do they not have a back lot where the girls park and then like a front lot for the customers? Or is it just all one lot, all like one lot, oh shit, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3:So, um, she's got her like cornered against the car, okay, like like not, her door's not open or anything, she's just like standing by the gas cap he's got her like right there, dude and um.
Speaker 3:So I tell him like hey, dude, I thought I told you. And he says I don't want no trouble. I was like, dude, you're gonna have to leave. And he says I gotta get my jacket. And I was like no, dude, your jacket's mine, you know, because I was trying to impress a little girl, so you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So uh, she's she's looking at me, you know. And uh, I tell him like yeah, the jacket's mine. He says, oh, I gotta get it. I'm like no, dude, I don't care, you better go, I'm gonna call the cops. And he says, just let me get my jacket. I was like no, dude, you're not getting your jacket.
Speaker 3:So he tries to do this like fake, going to the left and then go to the right thing like a little juke move yeah, yeah, he's trying to break my ankles so I go to clothesline him and I thought it'd be like in a movie's no dude like he started dragging me so I had to eat him on the ground okay and he comes up and just slices me and I didn't. I thought it was like straight up knife. Where did he get you at? Uh, in my stomach. Yeah, like went like up my ribs.
Speaker 3:How long are we talking like six inches, about six inches, damn okay yeah, so, um, I'm freaking out, you know, flopping on the ground and uh. So rose comes over, she's like comforting me and stuff too. I thought I was done I thought he'd take off.
Speaker 2:He just cut you and took off. It gets worse.
Speaker 3:Okay, go ahead so he calls the cops, he called, he calls the cops so when the cops show up and they tell him like hey, man, you know we're going to get this all put away.
Speaker 2:So he's stuck around? Yeah, he's stuck around Because he called the cops.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, yeah, oh, it gets bad. That's bad, dude. Okay. So I'm sitting there thinking he carved me up. Real good, man. You're like my attempt is coming out. I'm sure I'm bleeding. Real bad. She's like comforting me, dude. Yeah, I was not having it. So, um, she probably thought I was her hero or something right. So the cops telling her like hey, we're gonna get this all squared away. Um, we're gonna need to know what happened. We're gonna make a police report. And um, they said we're gonna get one from him. He called it in. I said that's a motherfucker stab, stabbed me. And they were like no, I was like yeah. So then I had to explain to them that the reason why I got stabbed was because I was an asshole. I could have just let him get his jacket, but the pride set in. I had to be all macho.
Speaker 2:At the time you saw a situation where you could have said that I felt that my employee or she felt threatened, and so you took action. So I mean you, I think you, you would add a valid yeah reason for that yeah, yeah so what do they?
Speaker 3:right away cuff them oh yeah, dude, like straight on, to get straight on the spot. They're fucking.
Speaker 2:He was in handcuffs oh, it's good you got her as a witness. Do you guys have surveillance?
Speaker 3:cameras? Yeah, they had cameras and okay, so it was locked in and you would have been everyone to see me hit the ground like a bitch dude, it was bad you got stabbed.
Speaker 2:I would fall like a bitch too, and I thought it was way worse but you know, I mean like, can you imagine? I can't. I've never been stabbed before.
Speaker 3:I'm like this guy's threatening you telling you can't go get your jacket? You carve a wall, you carve. I didn't even put up a fight dude.
Speaker 2:But first of all, who takes a box cutter to a strip club? That kind of tells me he might have had ill intentions if he kept calling about a girl and the girls, oh dude. Like you know, if you bring a box cutter to the club with your intentions of trying to take a girl home, like it'll be one thing if they found fucking like tape and rope in his car or some shit.
Speaker 2:But I mean, like what kind of protection? Like I can understand, like a pocket knife, but that kind of sounds like he just went on a whim, grabbed the first thing in his junk drawer or box cutter and like let me see what's going to happen.
Speaker 3:He might have been working class dude. You know, he just got gotta work.
Speaker 2:That's scary man, so how long? So how long after that did you stay at that club like, did you say fuck this, I ain't doing this job anymore and just left?
Speaker 3:well, I'm gonna be honest with you. Whenever one at work thinks you're a bitch, uh, you gotta leave.
Speaker 2:You gotta leave but I mean, do they really? I mean, you're kind of, like you said, almost a hero. I mean, he had her cornered and you stepped in, but they don't see that aspect of it. They just think of you falling like a bitch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much the extent of it. I mean, if you work with your buddies, they definitely think you're a bitch.
Speaker 2:So how long did you do that for?
Speaker 3:I didn't know you ever worked.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming you were over 21 yeah, I was over 21, so this is a few years ago. Yeah, you know what's funny we could have a like a five hour conversation between me and you and you could probably tell like a hundred stories and you'd be like, yeah, all the, all this stuff happened in the last five years.
Speaker 3:Well, and I would believe it, most of them, most of it happened before I was 22, like when, when I was 22, I just kind of, like you know, got tired of being a dumbass. Yeah, I started being dumb at a young age, it is you know speaking of, and I'm very curious.
Speaker 2:I don't think we've ever talked about this and we don't have to go into no crazy subject about it. But like, what was your situation? Let's just, let's just start at a high school. So you graduated high school, Do you have I'm assuming you have parents around this area, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I live about an hour from here, but yeah, both my parents are still married.
Speaker 2:So was it one of those things where you were either maybe kicked out at a young age, or did you just want your dependence or independence at a young age and you just left, or like, how long did you stay?
Speaker 3:with your parents before you got your own place. Um, they kicked me out a couple times before I graduated. Oh, so they kicked you out, yeah it isn't pretty dumb stuff were you just like a rebel back in high school well, it was bad because, um, they were all focused on my sister my sister, she's like 13 months older than me and they were all focused on my sister my sister, she's like 13 months older than me and they were all worried about her not being a fuck-up.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry not to interrupt. So you have. I know you have a brother, so you have a sister too. I got two sisters. You got two sisters. Are you the youngest? No, I'm.
Speaker 3:You're in the middle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, basically Because I know you, the brother is older, right older right yeah yeah, okay, so you're in the middle. Okay, so I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:So they were concerned about your one sister right, yeah, like they already thought I was a fuck up you know, so they already deemed you as a fuck yeah, yeah, yeah, I was outcasted. They were like your own prison like, were you like?
Speaker 2:were you like legitimately committing petty crimes? Or you were just like a rebel, like you just always talk back to your parents and like we're always, always out of the house, like drinking and shit. Like what was the, what was the situation with you for your parents to like think you were a fuck up?
Speaker 3:Uh, so like I was super respectful to them, like I didn't talk back or anything, um, but like I like to have fun.
Speaker 2:So like my sister, she got in trouble for having bad grades, so they're like sitting her down and telling her the importance of that and, like me and my buddies are stealing a pop machine, dragging it down the road.
Speaker 3:Okay, like on a wednesday night just out of nowhere, because you grew up where?
Speaker 3:uh, I grew up in westville a little farm town so even in high school, that's where you went yeah, if I didn't get expelled for fighting, I pretty much just went there so how many times have you been expelled for uh? So suspended. Every year they allowed you to get suspended three times and it was like a three-day suspension. Each time, the third time was your last chance. If you came to school, did something stupid, you were expelled, so like a three-point rule, um, but I only got expelled twice, but I maxed out my suspensions each year, jesus yeah.
Speaker 2:Each year you did that, yeah, yeah, every year, fuck dude, until I turned 18. Did you graduate high school or do you have a GED?
Speaker 3:No, I graduated. The guy who let me graduate got fired for graduating me because what? Yeah?
Speaker 2:like some of the points or the credits, technically, so, technically, next to you, where it says Caleb graduated, what year did you graduate? 2018. So 2018, there's probably like a little asterisk mark next to it. Technically he graduated Little hyphens, little hyphens, yeah. Okay, I didn't know that, so it was just more of you, I guess. Like I said, little petty crimes here and there having fun with the boys and, like I said, you lived in a like a farm town like westville.
Speaker 2:From here is how far um like 40 miles like going south, right, uh, east, oh, going east yeah so it's mostly like you said, like people like your closest neighbor was what?
Speaker 3:maybe like a half mile or some shit like that, or uh no, I got like a neighbor, like like a normal neighbor, okay, um, kind of like your neighbor, and then, aside from that, they're like miles apart okay, so the the town itself was just like a really small town kind of spread out.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't even live in town. Where'd you live at then?
Speaker 3:I lived on the outskirts. Yeah yeah, I had to drive to do dumb stuff.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So every year you got suspended three times. But out of the four years you were there you got expelled twice. Yeah, yeah, twice but every year, you capped out at the three.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn dude, yeah, I got expelled for dumb stuff too. So like one of the principals got tired of me and like kind of had it out for me. He said that I sung Old MacDonald had a farm, but every word was gay. Uh, like over the intercom or something. I was just walking down the hallway and he's like uh, gay, gay, gay.
Speaker 2:Like technically on your file it says you got it uh expelled for singing old mc, old mcdonald had a saying gay all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, really yeah. So my mom shows up pissed and I tell her I'm like I did not do that. Well, she don't believe me. She tells them because apparently they caught me on video and they wouldn't do it because all the other kids they were like, oh, we can't show you their identity, and all that. My mom's like well then, I'll just take them to the school right down the road, which I was lucky that they even took me, because they just expelled me the year before.
Speaker 2:Did you jump back from high schools?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah Like throughout the four years. Oh well, like six years from, like fifth or sixth grade, I jumped between all of them.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, dude. I didn't know you were that bad of a kid.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it was just here's. The thing is, you go to a town where people are comfortable like running their mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And they'll be like I'll meet you outside and I'm like nah, dude RSVP and I'd hit him on the spot, really yeah.
Speaker 2:So would you say half of those incidents like suspension expulsions? Were they like fighting or was it just like skipping school and doing stupid shit at school?
Speaker 3:I got in trouble one time because I asked my friend if I could hit him with a ruler, one of those yardsticks yeah that was the only time it wasn't fight related and he said I could.
Speaker 2:He was like yeah you could hit me with it. I got damn it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude just sammy, sosa them with a with a freaking uh yardstick so you, you know how to brawl.
Speaker 2:I assume, yeah, you've had your shares of brawls and yeah, so I.
Speaker 3:It was so bad. I was getting fights all the time my dad was like we're gonna, we're gonna put you in boxing. He's like maybe, if you can fight in a controlled environment, maybe yeah, yeah, something good. You're focused to something good, yeah no, I go to school and fuck people up like how long did you box for? Uh, so I boxed for 13 till 19 and oh shit.
Speaker 2:I didn't know you had that much experience.
Speaker 3:Yeah, COVID ended it. The gym that I went to closed because of COVID.
Speaker 2:No shit. Did you do any bouts competitions?
Speaker 3:I did a couple. Here's the thing You'll get to talk to people and if you boxed, everyone's done a Golden Glove competition. No, they haven't, especially Chicago. Relaxed, everyone's done a golden glove competition. Yeah, no, they haven't. Uh, especially chicago. And uh, I think it's the bronx, brooklyn or something, yeah, um, anywhere where it's a like hood, environment, ghetto. Those guys are trying to get out of the hood. Oh yeah, they are fighters oh yeah, they're scraping yeah, you they're itching together.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like you got to kill them almost yeah, I got you uh, I never did a golden glove competition, but I'll go to a bar and you would not believe how many people I meet that are golden glove boxers. Yeah, I'm like dude well, what?
Speaker 2:so you said, covid ended it. Yeah, but what? Why didn't you get back into?
Speaker 3:it afterwards, I think, when gyms started opening, right back up. I think I just got in that car accident.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, because this is going on. What 2021, 2022? Yeah 2022.
Speaker 3:So just a couple years ago, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, has it been two years since that accident? You're talking about the accident. We don't have to go into details. You're talking about the accident. We don't have to go into details, but you're talking about the accident, where that was 2023. Okay, so the gyms had to open up by 21, ain't it?
Speaker 3:Hey, man, you just kind of yeah, the motivation wasn't there, yeah, the motivation wasn't there.
Speaker 2:Well then let me ask you this and correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm just making an assumption it just maybe boxing wasn't like a, like a the love of your life type thing. It was more of like, well, my dad's kind of making me do it and I'm having fun because it's keeping me out of trouble. Was it that type of mentality, or did you just like, did you love the sport and just kind of life kind of happened afterwards and you just didn't have the interest to get back into it?
Speaker 3:um, so I I kept doing boxing after I turned 18, uh, and I probably would still be doing it if I didn't stop because of covid. Yeah, um, just strictly for the reason of like the world was a really bad place and, I believe, in order to be what people. I hate when people are like, oh well, he's a good man. And I'm like, well, why is he a good man? Well, he wouldn't hurt a fly. I'm like, well, that doesn't make him a good man. I think that being a good man is having self-control and being capable of defending your family and your loved ones, and stuff like that. So I was like, okay, and there's guys out there that can box and they have no self-control.
Speaker 3:They're going in part, like Conor McGregor, they're looking.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I'm like, in order to be a good man, I think that you have to be capable of defending the people you love, like you said, self-control, being humble?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think yeah, being humble and using your skills to protect rather than provoke and just to show people that you're a badass.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I totally understand that. I get that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if your homie's getting his ear bit off, you should step in. You should jump in. Yeah, you should step in. Those are one of the good times your skills will probably be helpful at that time.
Speaker 2:No shit, that's pretty cool. Is there any videos or YouTube? Probably not YouTube, but do you have any videos of you training or matches you did, or anything like that?
Speaker 3:I used to have an Instagram and I think it got hacked and everything. But there's a couple videos like me getting my ass whooped. I'm not going to lie. You'll go in like these predominantly because that's where boxing gyms are, is basically the hood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the hood, yeah.
Speaker 3:And you'll go in there and these guys have something to prove. They're trying to get out of the hood. This is all they got. Oh, they live there yeah baby Mike Tyson's dude, and I'm just a farm kid who's?
Speaker 2:Trying to stay out of trouble.
Speaker 3:Yeah, trying to stay out of trouble, Like I had no ambition, Like it was pretty much it was.
Speaker 2:It was neat to be able to do kind of like a, like a ripstick or something you know. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 3:I wasn't there because I really wanted to be.
Speaker 2:No, I get it Like cause. That's kind of like how I felt, because I could relate to that because in high school my parents rule was like you got to be in some kind of sport every season, like you're not going to be sitting at a home either just playing video games or out there causing trouble. So I had to do a sport every damn season and I don't know if you know this about me, but like baseball, that's like the love of my life. I love baseball. My kids are in baseball. I love coaching baseball. That that's my thing. So baseball season, boom, like I love it. But then, like come August, september, I did football, hated it. I did wrestling in the winter, hated it, like. But it was like my mentality was like I'm not really trying to get better, I'm just here because I was told to do something. So, on that aspect of it, totally understand, but that's a long time to just be going through the motion yeah I just showed up yeah, I mean, were you in your opinion?
Speaker 2:were you you in your opinion? Were you like decent? Were you pretty good? Were you just like garbage? And you were just there for the like. You were just fit because you were doing all the working out.
Speaker 3:I had a phase when I was like 15 to 16 where I really really loved boxing. But yeah, it was weird because I was looking for a purpose and I already had all this time under my belt three, four years, yeah and I would wake up, go for a run, hit in a bag, jump rope. I was doing all the extra steps like eat sleep and breathe boxing. And that just kind of fell out, because you go into the gym and there's kids that are starting when they're like eight. Yeah, you know, and they're.
Speaker 2:They're just so predominantly kind of feel like damn, what's the point for me? To do it now like I get that kind of lose the motivation to to do all the extra stuff it's kind of a silly point of view now, though, because like, so it's like jake paul.
Speaker 3:I don't like jake paul. Okay, he's, yeah, but that's the problem is like tiktok hate gets way more attention than actual skill?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, for sure and uh, jake paul.
Speaker 3:He's got like barely any ring time and he's good like I will admit he is good, he trains to be a boxer.
Speaker 2:He just doesn't have the experience that someone who's been boxing since they were eight years old.
Speaker 3:For the time that he has in the ring he's good, and that probably all comes down to his determination.
Speaker 2:He probably turned the switch on like, look, this is gonna be my life. And I don't really know the background of jake paul. I know he did like those vine videos and he I don't know if he came for money or not, so he may. If he came for money, he probably had the opportunity to be like, look, I gotta work, I'm boxing and this is going to be my job now. But people sometimes have the luxury of doing that, you know, like lower class, or the blue collar person who has a family already by the age of 22, 23, and they have to work to support their family. Can't really be like you know what, I'm going to quit my job and I'm gonna quit my job and I'm gonna box and I'm gonna try to be the heavyweight champion.
Speaker 2:It's gonna take me four years well, no, you can't really can't really do that, since you have a family to support. So yeah, I mean it, and it's not to say that, who knows, and and I'll say it again because I'm repeating myself at this point it's not to say that if you would have stuck with it at 15 or 16, who knows, six years from there, 22, boxing could have been your thing, your moneymaker, but hey, in hindsight you never know what could have, what should have, could have type of thing. Then let's switch it. So after high school you said okay, so you did graduate, you didn't have to get a gd. Were you out the house by then by the time you graduated 18? Or did you leave the house like were you primarily at the house before that?
Speaker 3:uh, no, I didn't leave right away, I heck. I didn't leave until I think I was 21. Okay, um, I think I was just shy of turning 22. That was. That was what cool. My parents didn't really care, uh, they were just like hey yeah, you're, you're an adult yeah you figure it out, type of. Thing yeah, and they they didn't really push me to get out or anything, because I didn't cause problems. Like after I turned 18 I pretty much got my my stuff together settled down yeah and um.
Speaker 3:So I kind of gave myself till 22 because I was like, okay, well, people I'm going to school with, they got that four-year buffer that they're in college. Yeah, they're getting some of it, but I'm having fun. So I was like, yo, I'll have my fun until I'm 22,. And then you guys strap down. Sure, so 22,. I ended up moving to another farm town and I rented a house there and I lived there for a while.
Speaker 2:No shit. So what were you doing for work at the time? To rent a house?
Speaker 3:um, when I was renting a house, I think I was working in crown point with you. Oh, were you?
Speaker 2:yeah, oh shit like I said, I keep forgetting that you're only 25 years old and a lot of this shit it's just happening in the last, like two, three years yeah okay, so well then, weren't you in the military for a short period?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I went to the Marines. I got out of high school didn't know what I was doing. I worked at a prison for a little bit and I remember I was driving around and I was on my way to a tattoo appointment and I pulled up to a Walgreens and I was just like real down in the dumps, as odd as it sounds Like out of nowhere.
Speaker 3:I'm 18, got my whole life ahead of me and uh, it just felt like something was missing. So I'm sitting in a Walgreens and I look up, uh, navy recruiting stations near me and, um, I ended up calling a Marine recruiter on accident cause I thought they were like yeah, I thought they were all like in one building, you know like every branch. So I called, he answers the phone, he tells me that he's a Marine recruiter, and then I tell him like oh, I'm looking for the Navy. He says nope, not here. And then he's just like quick to get off the phone. I was like wait, wait, wait, maybe you can answer some of the questions I have. And he's like okay. So I asked my name, we're talking a little bit. He's like what are you doing tomorrow at 4 30?
Speaker 3:and I told him I was like oh I'm going to a tattoo appointment, he's like, yeah, cancel that and come see me. I'm like, okay, cool, okay, yeah, he hangs up. I'm like I ain't fucking doing that you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean so?
Speaker 3:I go to a tattoo appointment the next day and it was like 3 30 so they got me stenciled up. Me and my buddy were gonna get matching tattoos. So glad that I did it, because now we hate each other, um, and I told the tattoo artist just take my down payment and put it towards his tattoo, which technically she didn't have to do like it was real cool.
Speaker 3:She did that. And I cut out and went to this marine recruiter uh, do this quick man, like they, hoodwink you. Next thing you know I'm gonna bust down the maps. Oh I'm. And I cut out and went to this Marine recruiter. Dude is quick man. Like hey, hoodwink you. Next thing you know, I'm on a bus down to MEPS.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure they use all types of tactics Like they're basically salespeople.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and I'm sure they're. They got a quota.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but rather than sell you a car, they're trying to sell you like a dream. Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they're aggressive. Maybe not all of them, but I'm sure a lot of them are aggressive. A lot of them are like, fast talking, like are we doing this now? We doing this now?
Speaker 3:I'm like I'm sure, yeah, yeah, like a real pushy car salesman dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:I'm just in the office feeling like a college girl at a frat party.
Speaker 2:I'm Okay. So, like I said, I thought you went to the military, but that was short-lived and okay. So then you started working where you're at now, then speaking of tattoos, because obviously we don't have video but you got a good amount of tattoos. You probably got more tattoos than I do. What is your and I ask this because I know I've heard some of your funny tattoo stories um, usually I don't hear the whole story. So what, what do you think is your best tattoo story?
Speaker 3:uh, you mean like getting a tattoo?
Speaker 2:yeah, let's do it this way because I know one of your stories and I want to hear it again, but let's do. Yeah, getting a tattoo. What's one of your funniest or craziest story for getting a tattoo?
Speaker 3:Getting them ain't real crazy. Like I have some crazy tattoos. Like I got like scrap on my leg, reaching for my nuts. And then I had one tattoo experience where this guy's tattooing me and I wanted a Route 66 sign, I wanted it realistic, and he's like, yeah, like, yeah, yeah, I can do that. So he goes back and he comes back with his tattoo and, uh, stencils it on. So there's like a little bit of wait time. I'm looking at it.
Speaker 1:I'm like oh, I don't want to tell him that that looks like shit.
Speaker 3:So, uh, he tattoos me and he's nodding out while he's tattooing me, like there was a time period, he just like fell asleep like three minutes, yeah. And I look at the owner. I'm like hey, dude. And he comes over. He's like hey man, you gotta stay awake.
Speaker 3:I'm like bro, I'm like bro, you're done right there like like if he was like up all night studying for pre-med or the bar, I'd have let us slide. This dude was cranked out, dude, he was falling out, um, but that's like the only tattoo me getting one that was like kind of weird.
Speaker 2:Let's let me ask you this what's your one tattoo that you regret getting, or is there not one?
Speaker 3:oh, so I got one. Um, so I was about to go in the marines and, uh, about to go to boot camp. I had my, my ship date and the girl that I was dating told me that basically she was mad that I was going, which she told me it was cool. And, uh, so she tells me, she says I want to be engaged and I want you to get my name tattooed on you.
Speaker 3:Oh boy, yeah. So I was like I'm not getting your name tattooed on me? And she's like well, you better figure something out, otherwise I'm breaking up with you, and I dated this girl for like three years three and a half years. So I got a constellation tattooed on me of her name, like the stars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, so her name was Aries, oh so you do have the name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in a way. So her name was Aries, so I have an Aries constellation on my stomach.
Speaker 2:That's clever, though that's clever.
Speaker 3:Now, girls will be down there like, oh, you're an Aries. I'm like yeah.
Speaker 2:How about that?
Speaker 3:They're down there doing math. They're like you're a Sagittarius.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, whoops, I got the wrong one, well as many tattoos that you've gotten just in the last year. Why not try to cover that up? Or is it really not that big of a deal to you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's not that deep to me that big of a deal? Yeah, it's not that deep to me. I don't think so. Usually when I'm dating a girl, I'll let them know, because they always ask, because I don't have a lot of stomach tattoos.
Speaker 1:I got my chest, arms, legs done yeah and um.
Speaker 3:So they'll ask me, like what's that? And I'll just tell them, like you don't want to find out later yes, I mean overall, it's not that big of a deal yeah, they make it up. Well, that's stupid, but I mean yeah, they try to get me to cover it up when I get married, I will yeah, I could see that being more reasonable yeah I mean, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2:If I'm date, if I've been dating you for a year and a half, I'm not gonna like fuck you, I'm not gonna cover it up yeah, if we get married, then that's one thing. So, yeah, I get that all right. So well then, before we get to the other story, what's your most favorite tattoo?
Speaker 3:that you have um. I got this rose on my hands. Uh, this is why I wish we had video dude I know that, and when you're talking about midgets, that was priceless um your your face like what dude your face oh, we're in depth. Hey man, I was really thinking about it you're over there, you're like yo dude, like where we draw the light, like what's too far, I know, right, I'm like nah dude all right.
Speaker 3:So the rose on your hand yeah, so, uh, when my grandma was in the hospital, I was the only one who went and seen her and I brought her pink roses. So when she passed away, I got a pink rose on my hand. Oh, no shit, that's dumb.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's more of a sentimental meaning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what's up, but like now, every single white dude has a rose tattoo on their left hand.
Speaker 2:I got a rose tattooed on my forearm for my daughter.
Speaker 3:But it's like hand tattoos, man, everybody does it. It's copy and paste.
Speaker 2:Do you regret? I mean, because you work in the field where you use your hands, you work on machinery Do you regret at all getting hand tattoos? Or is it just like no man? I wanted hand tattoos. I love them.
Speaker 3:Actually, they're probably my favorite because I got both hands done my knuckles. They're probably my favorite tattoos, but something like okay, I try to go to church, like you know, find god and be a better person do? People in church are ruthless yeah, hell yeah yeah, so like then I was like dang dude, I gotta wear gloves go to church. But like, aside from that, yeah you know, I love them I don't I got a couple of like prison tattoos.
Speaker 2:I got some bad ones oh yeah, you know what before you know? Okay, let's hold that story off. What I was gonna say was I I do want to get hand tattoos I support, support it.
Speaker 3:Huh, I support it. You should do it.
Speaker 2:But my fear is, since I am in the supervisory management position, it may look down upon. I mean because if I wanted to wear a nice polo or a long sleeve, I could cover up my tattoos.
Speaker 1:I don't have any neck tattoos.
Speaker 2:I don't have anything else where you could visibly see tattoos, but it like man if I ever got a hand tattoo I mean that's, that's there for life like if I, if I go shake the ceo's hand, it's like boom, okay, well, I got a tattoo or something stupid on my hand.
Speaker 3:You just got a certain dominance. You know you gotta let them know what's up.
Speaker 2:You're the big dog like kiss the hand yeah no, okay, but so's get back to so. We talked about what's on your body and what's been put on your body. What's the story about you doing the opposite to other people?
Speaker 3:So now I do tattoos. Okay, like for Christmas, my family got me a bunch of tattooing stuff. I'm like you guys know I do this stuff hood as fuck in people's kitchens. Like this stuff ain't even legit, uh-huh and uh, I'm just, you know, a speed stick, uh, transfer paper against the world oh shit, like it, dude, it's bad.
Speaker 3:Get a nice gun yeah, yeah, okay, so at least that's the best amazon could buy oh yeah but uh, so we, me and my buddy go down to Nashville and we're partying it up and we're just down there looking for women and we go into gosh I don't remember what bar it was, I think it was Kid Rock's Bar so we go in there and we're mingling and we ended up bumping into these dudes and they were cool as hell. Well, they were part of a wedding party, all right. Well then we got to meet the bride and, uh, why? They were no specifics. I just, I think they all just when I got married. So, um, these girls are hammered dude. Okay, three sheets and win bride and bridesmaids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah and uh, it was 13 girls okay oh damn, they were rolling deep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think all of them were bridesmaids, but a couple of them were Sure friends.
Speaker 3:So my buddy is hitting on one of the bridesmaids I think a maid of honor and he's covered in tattoos and he's a tattoo artist in Memphis, so he knows how to tattoo I don't. So he went down there and he was going to tattoo me, so he brought all this stuff. So these girls are like yo, let's go get tattoos. Do you guys know any tattoo parlors that are open right now that will do walk-ins? And he says there's a few, but you can't do it. And it's very important, everyone should listen.
Speaker 3:Do not get a tattoo, don't get a tattoo while you've been drinking, because it will push the ink out and you've been drinking because it'll push the ink out, and my hands on the inside used to say what goes around comes around, and alcohol pushed it out.
Speaker 1:Oh shit.
Speaker 3:So it is true. So he tells them, he says you can't get it done because the alcohol pushed it out. They're like okay, he says, but I'm a tattoo artist and he's not a tattoo artist. Okay, point at me, I'm not, but I got got the tattoos.
Speaker 3:So I fit the part you look like you look the part yeah, yeah, I had a mohawk, I look like I tattooed and uh. So he tells them that we're tattoo artists from memphis and uh, we'll go back to our airbnb and we'll get some tattooing done how many, how many total people come back to the place with you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3:It took two Uber rides like Suburbans to take us and 13 drunk bitches back to this place.
Speaker 2:So it was all the women.
Speaker 3:None of the men, none of the dudes came.
Speaker 2:How the hell did that happen? They were cool with that, or did 13 women sneak off Dude?
Speaker 3:I'm going to be honest, I think it was some shady stuff, because I'm pretty sure my buddy fucked a bride Really sneak off to your Dude. I'm going to be honest, I think it was some shady stuff because I'm pretty sure my buddy fucked a bride.
Speaker 2:Really Pretty sure he fucked her Dude like how do you? Because originally at the bar was there like four, five, six, seven men with them.
Speaker 3:There was probably like eight dudes. There was like eight dudes, so there was eight dudes. Yeah, yeah yeah. And at the end came, with none of them all, three, 13 women. No holy, I will tell you this, dude, we're in the middle of tattooing these girls okay, and uh, their phones are just ringing. So I mean like let's be honest so we get back to the airbnb and uh, in the agreement to rent the airbnb, it was that you couldn't have parties and you couldn't bring people back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, of course. So we did both of those.
Speaker 3:So we got Post Malone on this big TV they had in the living room and it was like a Roku TV. So we had YouTube playing Post Malone and my buddy's like hey, dude, I brought two guns, you're going to tattoo half of them. I'm going to tattoo the other half. If you don't know how to tattoo, you're not tattooing six girls as fast as a dude who's tattooing six girls that tattoos every day. So he was knocking them out. I got four of the girls done and he did the rest of them and you tattooed four girls dude, it looked like shit oh, they were all for the same.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, okay and um we, everything was hygienic and everything, because he's a legit tattoo artist, so everything was hygienic. He told me how to do it and he's like you, yo dude, don't blow up.
Speaker 3:That means I know right, I blew it finishing up, the last girl and all the girls uh, basically decided together to like, hey, you guys have to get it too. And I was like, hey, dude, you're gonna have to tattoo, because I'm not letting these bitches tattoo me. Like you, you have experience. I'm like what, four, four, fucking white. So, um, like no fucking way, dude, no, you're not tattooing me.
Speaker 2:So, um, I tattooed him if he was a legit tattoo artist I didn't want to play boy bunny on my.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was all the same tattoo.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, okay yeah so I got, I got mine. Yeah, not there. So the night we all partied, had fun. Yeah, it went exactly how you think it went. So the next day we hit Nashville again and my buddy brought all of his tattoo shit. He had like a couple of ink caps, a little bag of Vaseline and he's like, dude, I'm going to try and do some tattoos on the spot. And he had a little battery-powered tattoo gun and everything. Wow, okay, and they call it a machine, in case somebody wants to fact-check me.
Speaker 1:Oh sure, there's people like that.
Speaker 3:So he brings all this stuff to Broadway and I'm like, dude, you can get staph infection and shit. Yeah, so um Coyote Ugly. And uh, he's like, hey, dude, let's go to um Luke Bryan or Zach Bryan. Yeah, it was Luke Bryan's Okay.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Jason Aldean's bar and, uh, I got kicked out of there the night before an Olympic swimmer. She did water polo. She was tall as fuck. I'll pull up a picture. Okay, she was so tall, I had to stand on a toilet seat. Okay, she was that tall, holy crap, man, it was so bad. So what?
Speaker 3:you got caught and they just kicked you out, yeah, yeah, the guy comes in my head's above the stall and the guy's like fucking boner of shame, walk through the front door. So the next day we come in and uh, we're doing shots and my buddy tells me he says, uh, let's make a bet. I'm like, okay, because he wanted to talk to this girl. And uh, she went down there with us and he wanted to date her and the bet was that if he lost he had to go talk to her and shoot a shot because he was too scared to. Okay. And then, um, if I lost, he got to tattoo the Playboy Bunny on me. And I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1:I lost. I can't drink, I lost.
Speaker 3:So I was like okay, cool, I'm a man of my word, when we get back to Airbnb, he can tattoo me. No, he tattooed me in the bathroom. In the bathroom, in a stall, two stalls down from where I got busy with my little girl Holy shit and like like the most unprepared environment ever, Like I'm holding the ink cap while he's tattooing my ass. Dude, it was like reverse head, Like if you walked in the bathroom you'd be like someone's getting their ass ate.
Speaker 2:So, I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 3:And it's probably one of my best tattoos. So if you're in Memphis, he does great tattoos.
Speaker 2:That's great. A little plug in there for him. Oh my God. And so from there, you have done tattoos after that.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So like I went to a Morgan Wallen concert and the night before the concert my buddy was like yo, dude, come over and tattoo me, and he started inviting people over, oh my God. So I did like six different people that one night didn't get to sleep and I had to leave early so I could get down, uh, to the morgan wallen concert.
Speaker 1:Oh, god bless your heart it was just one tattoo after another so while I'm tattooing this person.
Speaker 3:He's trying to figure out his next tattoo dude, I'm assuming you got paid for that no dude, you're just doing tattoos, just doing, do them.
Speaker 2:You're doing the Lord's work, dude.
Speaker 3:He got a hand tattoo. He got a Bible quote you know like real. You shouldn't be getting tattoos at 10 o'clock at night I mean, were they coming out better?
Speaker 2:Oh no, they were terrible. They were so bad dude. No progression whatsoever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well because six tattoos in I'm not getting paid.
Speaker 1:I just threw that shit on her yeah, I'm burnt out.
Speaker 3:People are coming in dude like he's pimping out his mom's house and, uh, all the girls though, they got good tattoos. Yeah, it took me probably about 30 minutes to do their tattoo.
Speaker 2:You want to impress them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I was like don't worry, baby, I got you sick with me.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. So when's the last time you've done a tattoo for anybody?
Speaker 3:um, so I was dating this girl uh, you know about her ruining my life um, so she wanted a tattoo, so I told her let me tattoo my initials on you, and she agreed. So I did like a cute little dainty heart, and then put my nistles in it oh, wow, yeah, we're on the butt cheek uh, no, it was like like right on, uh, like the pelvis yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a common one there, yeah so I can't wait for the next guy.
Speaker 2:Your initials are yeah right there by her hoo-ha yeah, yeah, yeah by bat cave yeah, dude yeah damn, I love it so then going back, so you worked at a prison yeah how long did you work at a prison for? Oh, like 11 months, so almost a year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and how old were you? Uh, I was the youngest one there. I was 18 turned 19.
Speaker 2:There you did, but really, yeah, I didn't know they could they let you do that at such a young age.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it used to be had to be 21. So like there was a lot of people I tell them I worked at prison, they were like no, no, you gotta be 21, like dude who would lie about that? Yeah, true I walk in I see dudes naked in the showers.
Speaker 2:Okay, like no one's lying about that so how many tattoos have you gotten at the prison? Because you mentioned that yeah, are we talking, multiple tattoos were done in a prison cell or in prison so yeah, it was sketchy.
Speaker 3:So there was this guy who tattooed in prison and he did a really good job, okay. And um, so he told me that he would tattoo me and he would do this stuff on the fly like no stencil, nothing, just raw.
Speaker 2:And um one of them you could tell he he tattooed that stuff no stencil so when you say raw, because just for people who don't know, and I don't know, what does that look like? How was he tattooing you without a stencil?
Speaker 3:dude, so the whole setup was sketchy all right, so I had to trust a guy who went to prison for uh, insurance fraud so like the guy's a liar, yeah and, uh, he tells me he's dude, I'll just get the stuff together and I'll tattoo you.
Speaker 3:Now, like I work there, okay, and he tells me he'll tattoo me. And it was like two months he tried to get me to and I wouldn't do it. So he tells me all the things that he's going to get. And I was like, dude, I'm not letting you tattoo me with shit you got from a prison.
Speaker 1:Like there's roaches and stuff here, rats.
Speaker 3:And rats and um, so I bring in the stuff and uh, he gets, so I I didn't have ink, so how he made the ink? He turned the uh cutting torch on and made like a cone out of uh uh paper and then he collected the soot and then made it in the ink oh yeah he was witty dude and, uh, I think he's got tattoos and magazines like he got out, and I think he's got tattoos and magazines wow not mine though not mine yeah how do they look today, dude?
Speaker 2:they're so bad six, seven years ago yeah, they're so bad, are they like? Faded, so um, I'm sure they gotta be faded, oh dude, they're, they're mint really like uh, and I think it's the soot you know, I mean like that stuff's in there and um, he it had something else in there.
Speaker 3:He had to mix it to make it liquid, but yeah, so and um, he did it with like a dvd player motor and a bunch of other stuff yeah it was.
Speaker 2:It was prison rig so what are the couple of the tattoos he did for?
Speaker 3:you, dude. He plastered my whole back in a steam room. What, yeah, in a steam room where they Gosh dang it Is this off the clock or on the clock.
Speaker 2:Dude on the clock.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, yeah. Yeah, if you're going to get tattooed in prison, you better be on the clock, I'm assuming you worked like the night shift or something right? No, day shift dude, like the night shift or something, no day shift dude Day shift in a steam room. Is there no fucking regulation? I was the regulations. Yeah, dude, my moral compass was gone.
Speaker 2:So what was one of the? Or, just give me one of the tattoos that he gave you.
Speaker 3:He blasted like my whole back and it's a snake and a half naked lady. Oh really yeah, she used to be naked. She used to be naked she used to be naked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what did you put clothes on her? Yeah, I had to. Oh, did you? They were enlist yeah. Oh, in order to enlist. Yeah, that's a rule.
Speaker 3:Well, it's a naked woman.
Speaker 2:If someone's seen me. Yeah, they told me I had to, so I believed. Never heard that. Yeah, so now she's got like a like in a greek gown. Oh yeah, yeah, that's wild. Never heard that rule before. Like, is it because like to identify?
Speaker 3:you? No, I think it's uh, I think it had something to do with like women and oh.
Speaker 2:So it's just like a like a moral high ground that the Marines say no one can do that type of stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Back then the tattoo policy was super strict. You could only have like four visible. They had to be able to be covered by it and that was like four visible tattoos. I think it was like two fingers below the elbow and one finger above. I don't remember the regulations, but they were strict and they had to be able to get covered by a palm. Really, yeah, so nothing crazy. You couldn't have nothing cool.
Speaker 2:That's weird.
Speaker 3:Like I said, I don't know much about that stuff Now it's like no face and hands or neck.
Speaker 2:So did you ever see action?
Speaker 3:No, no, I didn't even make it out mct oh, because you were.
Speaker 2:You had an injury.
Speaker 3:No, I had a seizure and died twice. Yeah I choked on my tongue twice yeah, I choked on my tongue, not even cool what?
Speaker 2:yeah, have you had a history of having seizures before that?
Speaker 3:no, that was the only one, and they told me it was from lack of sleep and malnutrition but it's the damn marines.
Speaker 3:They didn't feed you I mean they fed you, but like not a lot like that's kind of kind of the point yeah, they're trying to recreate like a real war. Oh, so it was part of the training yeah, I mean, I ate uh like a ham and cheese sandwich and a cookie like all day wow, while you're doing this extensive ass, hard training throughout the day yeah, just all day getting fucked what as as a marine, how many hours are they telling you you get to sleep?
Speaker 3:um, that was a training exercise. I think we were awake like 48 hours or something, I don't even remember really yeah, I don't even remember a lot of it, because when I had my seizure and everything, a lot of my memory was like fuzzy around that time, I mean, you choke on your tongue, you die twice. They resuscitated me once on the spot and then they resuscitated me in the ambulance.
Speaker 2:So you had two seizures back to back. No, same event. You had two seizures back to back.
Speaker 3:No Same event they said something about because from the seizure and I choked on my tongue, the lack of air or something caused my brain to basically shut down or some shit Right, and it caused a lot of health problems, dude, I got a lot of health problems from it.
Speaker 2:But I guess what I'm wondering is so you said you had two seizures right?
Speaker 3:No, just one seizure and I died twice.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. So one seizure died twice.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if I went and choked on my tongue, I'd have been golden, did you have any outer body experience from that? Was it just? Blank, like darkness A lot of people ask me that I just remember like black.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like black, like darkness right, yeah, I don't remember anything, almost like just going to sleep, yeah, and then boom, you're up, eyes are open.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's pretty much what it felt like, sure. I don't know if that's a good thing. Maybe I should have been still awake.
Speaker 2:I mean, who knows man? Everybody has a different experience, apparently. But I mean, that doesn't mean anything, that was just your experience your experience yeah, so you actually flatline, yeah twice, flatline, yeah, twice.
Speaker 3:For how long, uh, I don't know. I know that, uh, when you get discharged, they give you all your medical paperwork and everything.
Speaker 2:So it says it somewhere on there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was not a good time so what was that?
Speaker 2:just like in a year span. How long were you in the marines for?
Speaker 3:um, just shy of a year. Okay, so just under a year, yeah damn, bro, did that?
Speaker 2:I mean, what did that do to you mentally? Did that do anything to you as far as make you think about certain actions or certain routes you wanted to go, or it was just one of those things like hey, man, life continues. And like, did that do anything for you?
Speaker 3:So most of the time that I was in I was waiting to get discharged.
Speaker 3:I was just hanging around, because they can't just send you home from what I understand they want to do EKGs and stuff to find out why I even had it. And I remember they didn't really take it real serious at first. Um, because they said it was from lack of sleep and malnutrition. They they generalized it as a shock, Like my body went into shock because I went to sleep for an hour and then I got woke up and then that's what triggered it.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, yeah. And they said it put my body into shock because you were awake for so long. And then they said if I would have got to sleep eight hours, it never would have happened. Well, they called my mom and my mom was like yo, his dad has epilepsy. So on my discharge it says generalized seizure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but don't they do a family background check?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was all on there. That's it was in there. Yeah, you better tell the truth. Yeah, I'm sure dude, you don't want to fuck with the government yeah, when you uh, when you get to boot uh, receiving wheat, they have this thing called the moment of truth and uh, they try to get you snitch on yourself, oh shit yeah they're like nothing will happen. I'm like bullshit dude.
Speaker 2:Damn, that's wild. I didn't. You might have told me that. I think I vaguely remember you telling me something like that, but I didn't think I didn't know it was that crazy dude yeah and, like you, haven't had any type of episodes since then uh-uh okay yeah, they even told me to recreate something like that be almost near impossible, oh okay so it would have to be under extreme yeah circumstances like getting cut up with a box cutter right yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:If you got cut up with a box cutter, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:If you got cut up with a box cutter and didn't sleep for two days yeah right, no shit, okay, well, damn well, it's kind of actually played into a little game I wanted to play with you and considering that you admitted that you died twice, yeah I'm kind of curious so I just took this off tiktok.
Speaker 2:It's like a ranking game, so I'm gonna give you 10 I guess, scenarios or situations of like a way to die and I want you to kind of rank what do you think would be? Well, we'll say number one is the worst way to die.
Speaker 3:And number ten is like it's like Kiss, kill or Marry, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So number ten will be not so bad, but it's nowhere near as bad as number one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't get to know them all at once. No, well, how do you?
Speaker 2:want to do it? Do you want to do like a blind ranking?
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll do a blind. Yeah, we'll do a blind. You want to do a blind one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that even works better for me.
Speaker 3:All right, because I'm going to keep it here. I just hate to say that something's a 10 and in reality there's something way worse.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess that's where the fun comes from with doing a blind. That's some jigsaw shit All right, we're going to do a blind ranking and I'm going to give you the first one. I'm going to give you the first one and I'm just going to do a random one. Let's say, falling off a roller coaster. Falling off a roller coaster.
Speaker 3:And you do die.
Speaker 2:You do die. So all these scenarios, you do die, God I hope it's like quick Once again number one is just the worst, most agonizing, worst way to die. Number ten still die, but it's not as bad.
Speaker 3:I don't think that one's that bad. I'd put that one at the end. I'd rather die that way than probably any of the others.
Speaker 2:So number 10 or you want to put it at 8 or 9? We'll put it at 10. 10? Okay, we're going to say Roller Coaster at 10. All right, and then the next one is Ooh Lava, lava Falling in. Ooh Lava, lava Falling in.
Speaker 3:Ooh, I mean you'd be snuffed out quick. I'd put that like right below, falling in a roller coaster. Okay, like you would die instantly.
Speaker 2:I would think so right. Yeah, I would too, and I heard that. I heard that, like it's so intense.
Speaker 3:I don't even think you'd feel anything. You'd probably go into shock. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:right like falling and the kind of same thing with the roller coaster. I mean it'll be scary as shit when you do that fall, but if you fall on your head, boom, it's lights out you don't probably feel anything with our luck probably not, I know right, all right.
Speaker 3:Second one is landmine stepping on the landmine dang dude, most people don't die like right away, but they talk. Let's just say, let's put this scenario landmine Dang dude.
Speaker 2:Most people don't die right away. Let's just say, let's put this scenario Landmine leg blown off, half of your arm blown off, you bleed to death.
Speaker 3:That's bad.
Speaker 2:That's bad.
Speaker 3:God, dude, I'm not going to say it's the worst, but it's bad. You'd probably be in shock. I think so too. Let's put it four. One's the worst, right One's the worst.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good one for that one.
Speaker 3:I mean, at least you went out like a hero. I mean, unless you're in third world country?
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:You're just walking your dog, you're just on vacation.
Speaker 2:Damn, that's fucked up. Just casual Tuesday, all right. Next one will be trappedpped in a Freezer. Ooh Dude, that's bad. I mean because you feel that shit for a while. Yeah, but at the same time too, I think eventually I think you just go into shock or you go numb.
Speaker 3:I'd put that at six. That's a drawn out. Yeah, I'd put it at six.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think, yeah, we'll say Freezer. I'd rather that than a landmine I agree, yeah, I agree, it just sucks. It's kind of just like a slow, yeah, but I get it all right.
Speaker 3:Second one or the next one oh, hit by train, hit by train, yeah you'd be smoked. Um god, do I got a seven? I'd rather that to a claymore. No, you can't. No you do have a seven yeah, yeah, put it as a seven. That don't sound that bad. Okay, I mean, you'd be dead instantly. Hamburger meat, sardines, right.
Speaker 2:All right, let me change this to a ten. Okay, all right. So so far you got landmine at four, so you still have one, two, three, you have five open, and then it's freezer at six, hit by train. At seven, eight is open, and then lava and roller coaster.
Speaker 3:Yeah, next one bear attack oh, dude, that's bad yeah, that's like right there with uh stepping on a landmine. I'd put that as a five dude, that would suck.
Speaker 2:That would suck so bad.
Speaker 3:I think that might be worse than a landmine, do you?
Speaker 2:want me to change it to you want to put it at three.
Speaker 3:Let's put it at three. That's bad. You see, those bear attacks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, they're ruthless, they're gnawing at you, clawing at you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I went to Wisconsin and I carry a hiking gun when I go to Wisconsin. I'm looking for bears, right, and my buddy we went to boot camp together and I went up there to visit him and he's like, yeah, dude, how was it? I was like I didn't see no bears, but I brought my gun and he's like, oh dude, he says, were you looking up in the trees?
Speaker 2:I'm like no, I heard they up in the trees.
Speaker 3:No, he used to Cougars.
Speaker 2:Cougars. I know I sound stupid right now. I heard bears go on the trees. I mean yeah, oh yeah, cougars, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was looking for the wrong thing, dude. Yeah, I was hoodwinked, All right.
Speaker 2:Next one would be whirlpool Like in the water, getting sucked in down to whirlpool. You can't pull yourself out.
Speaker 3:So so essentially, you're drowning to death. Yeah, I mean it sucks.
Speaker 2:But you're not getting messed up by coco the bear, it kind of you know, and it kind of fits in there with freezing to death yeah, it's like a slow, slow slow I think it'd be way faster and freezing it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, of course you're drowning like in four or five minutes freezing.
Speaker 2:You're probably going to be in there for yeah depending on how cold, maybe an hour before your body just shuts down. All right. Next one is this is my kind of phobia stuck in a cave, so you're stuck in a cave. Let's just say you're rock climbing and you get wedged and you're just stuck.
Speaker 2:Or maybe you're lost in a cave, so you're stuck, you're lost, and then you just basically die of hydration and yeah, star starvation that would suck dude that takes so long so you have one and two available, and you have eight available this is eight yeah that's an eight.
Speaker 3:Okay, I wish I knew eight was available, because I would switch it you ain't it like a week?
Speaker 2:it would take you to die, I think. So I think someone could go without like water for like a week yeah, and that's pushing it, depending on, I think it's shorter, all right food poisoning.
Speaker 3:Oh dude, I just got food poisoning, not too long ago.
Speaker 1:That's bad.
Speaker 3:That's not that bad, though I mean but we already ate everything.
Speaker 2:But it's a blind ranking, yeah two. Okay, so this first one or this next one has to be the worst, which that comes to Care Bears.
Speaker 1:I know right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, something that's not even that bad.
Speaker 2:Oh, bungee jumping. Bungee jump, core snaps, boom, you fall to death.
Speaker 3:Oh, I mean, that's not that bad. Well, now it's the worst. Now it's the worst. I wish I'd have known that Dude bear attacks are way worse than bungee jumping.
Speaker 2:Okay, so just to go through the list. So we said one is bungee jumping, two is food poisoning, three is bear attack. Four is landmine. Five is whirlpool drowning. Six is stuck in a freezer. Seven hit by a train. Eight is stuck in a cave. Nine is lava. Ten is roller coaster. So if you had to choose now you know all of them what do you think is the number one worst way to die out of that group? I think bear attack?
Speaker 3:I think so attack?
Speaker 2:I think so too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that'd be so bad, especially if it was your pet bear, like you were a bear tamer. Yeah, the normal pet bear. Right the betrayal. We're not in Russia. Dude Florida man, what do?
Speaker 2:you mean? What Florida person has a pet bear? Are there bears even in Florida? I don't know, but it's Florida, florida anything's possible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I went to florida for the hurricane cleanup yeah and uh, I'm talking to this guy who lives there and I told him I was like dude, I hate florida.
Speaker 2:I was like everything's either poisonous or on crack oh yeah, we just talked about that lady stabbing old girl. Yeah, florida louisiana.
Speaker 3:There was that guy that drove a truck down on main drag, I think.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah you hear about the cyber truck blowing up in front of the trump building no, that was rigged.
Speaker 3:You think it has to be right I mean, what else could it be?
Speaker 2:like I don't know, I didn't do any research on it, like I can't tell you any statistics like?
Speaker 3:does trump even have charging ports in front of his building?
Speaker 1:I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like he's probably so well he is friends with elon yeah, maybe he was pissed off just looking out for his boy. Your cyber truck, yeah he probably can't.
Speaker 2:Would that be fucked up if elon had the power to and it's basically a computer he probably does to go into, like the headquarters, or probably even his laptop? In his house, his log into any fucking tesla or cyberruck and blow it up if he wanted to.
Speaker 3:I mean I guarantee he's got somewhere.
Speaker 2:He could shut them down or something I think, so there's probably a mainframe button where you can shut all of them down if you wanted to.
Speaker 3:I mean we've seen iRobot.
Speaker 2:That's a good movie. Yeah, that's a good movie, it really is. Yeah, I think I would agree with you. It's a bear attack. And well, let's do this real quick. Would you think that a bear attack or a shark attack, like a we're talking like great white? Uh, what do you think, I guess? What do you think is the worst and what do you think you have a better chance of surviving?
Speaker 3:I think you have a better chance surviving a bear attack because, like, if you go limp, uh you're golden, but like now you're in the water, you're already out of your element you know, I mean, and you're getting fucked up, but I think, if you think about it, I think there's more um literature and how to to get away from a shark attack, oh, really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, well, you ever hear that. Well, if you punch it in the nostril, or if you stick something or your finger into the gills, or even if you gouge the shark's eye, like it's supposed to deter the shark, I thought that was for dogs no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but with a bear.
Speaker 2:You're not getting close to his eye, you're not going to to his eye, you're, you can't, you're not gonna jab him anything like.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, I think you're better, your survival rate is better with a shark, really, compared to a bear you think people are just underwater punching one on a snoot but I think I've heard people survived and they said, well, I mean they might get bit, but while they're getting chomped on, there's stories of people saying, yeah, I just took my thumb and jammed it in his eye and then he let go of me. And then, of course, if you get back to shore, that's kind of like 50-50.
Speaker 3:I don't know, dude, that would suck, because now you're bleeding, you're missing a leg, you're swimming in circles.
Speaker 2:I mean, we're talking about and I guess I don't let's say, grizzly bear, and I could probably look this up really quick. But how do you, how big do you think a grizzly bear is? Dude?
Speaker 2:they're big like a grizzly bear, the size of a grizzly bear and because I know polo bears are bigger, but a grizzly bear is about 400 to 600 pounds and they're like eight foot tall. Eight uh, grizzly bears are three and a half to four and a half feet tall at the hump, so that means like oh, yeah, yeah, missionary or not, and they doggy, you say mission, yeah, yeah, yeah missionary yeah sorry, my bad but when they stand up they're like eight feet tall.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, we're talking about bear on its two hind legs, about, let's say, 500 pounds, 600 pounds and eight feet tall.
Speaker 3:Well, a great white might be bigger, see it's weird, though, because you're like there's way more literature on shark attacks. I've only heard about bear attacks and they're like yo just go limp.
Speaker 2:I've heard that too, but I think shark attacks may be more frequent. I could probably see that. I think more people are in the water than they are in the in the woods. For sure, but a great white says it could be up to 20 feet long. So we're talking almost double the size. It is double the size of a full-grown grizzly bear, but they say most are smaller. But even if we're conservative, it's 16 feet. That's double the size of a grizzly bear. And they say that they are about 4,400 pounds. Damn, so,400 pounds, damn. So I don't know. I might be going back to your argument.
Speaker 2:I mean, so a grizzly bear is going to be considerably smaller, but I think there's more techniques, I think, to survive a shark attack than Because the only thing you've told me is that, well, just go limp. Well, that's a. You're leaving that up to fate if that bear thinks you're dead or not.
Speaker 3:I think it depends why they're attacking you, Like if they're hungry, you're fucked.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you're right, no matter limp or not, it has an aid in six months.
Speaker 3:But what if you got hard and now it's dominance.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. You know, I mean like you beat dogs yeah, like you might be that guy that might do it.
Speaker 3:He whips his out and just turns you around.
Speaker 2:Oh, before he now, now it's missionary. Now, yeah, now it's missionary. Oh god, dude no yeah but and I think it comes to, I guess, individually because me I hate being in the water, so just me floating in the ocean, my anxiety and fear would be through the roof. If I'm walking in the woods and I hear shit, I at least I would feel like I have a chance to run somewhere to get away well, they say, if you run, uh it'll attack you like it provokes them, right yeah but like honestly I think that's like just human instinct fucking strap on a white knight grizzly bear, you're supposed to what?
Speaker 2:stand there and look tall type of thing where you're supposed to.
Speaker 3:You're supposed to look bigger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look bigger yeah, dude, most people ain't doing that, yeah especially those midgets, dude, dude they're fucked. You need to get like three of them Just go live, dude. They're making a ladder. There ain't no dominance that you're asserting. That's true, that's true. Oh poor little people.
Speaker 3:God dude, I'm sorry, here's another thing is like with the shark attack let's say it doesn't kill you. Now you're just out in the water, cold, wet, but the same thing with the bear.
Speaker 2:If the bear like we're talking like their claws are like, probably the size of a ruler, Like just a claw. Their paw, their hand is probably. Like your whole face, like two feet three, yeah, like probably double the size of your.
Speaker 3:It could probably go over your face damn near twice.
Speaker 2:Well, face not yours, yeah, but I mean, you're talking about coming full force with those daggers of a claw. Yeah, you're straight cuts you open or takes a bite of like same thing like you're, and if he leaves, great you survive.
Speaker 2:But depending on if you know where you are in the woods it's kind of like the ocean too. I mean, if you're out there, you're kind of like the ocean too. I mean, if you're out there, you're kind of like fuck because you're waiting for a boat to happen. But same thing with the woods. I mean, if you're close enough, if you're on a trail, then maybe you have a chance, because maybe people. But how long are you going to stay alive until you bleed out?
Speaker 3:Well, maybe that's where that cave comes in. You know what I mean. Like you crawl in that cave. I think you're missing. The main point is that you're not going to be wet. Of course you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:As long as you die dry that's the most important thing. Eric, you know what. That's how we're going to end this podcast. The most important thing in any situation as long as you are dying and you die dry.
Speaker 3:As long as you are dying and you die dry then, you're golden.
Speaker 1:Yeah, stay dry is part. Stay dry folks, oh God.
Speaker 2:Well, caleb, I'm glad you're on, I had a blast. Usually these shows at least the last handful have been kind of more deep, emotional, like going into childhood and daddy issues, stuff like this. But to have an episode where we're just kind of fooling around, telling jokes, telling stories, hearing about your fascinating young life, it's been a real treat. Appreciate you coming on. Um, hey, and if this episode does better than the others, then best believe, I'm gonna ask you back on and you know, maybe we'll do it again yeah, I've done so much more dumb stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you have, but I only have a certain amount of time and hey, maybe if you get to thinking we could do a part two and revisit some of those uh scenarios, maybe even go back a little further into your childhood, and who knows? Sky's the limit. So I thank you again, appreciate it, and, um, let's, let's get out of here.