Chinese GP: McLaren's Comeback And Ferrari's Fiasco

2 Soft Compounds - Chinese GP: McLaren's Comeback And Ferrari's Fiasco

🏁 Shanghai Shockwaves! The Two Soft Compounds crew is back and the Chinese Grand Prix did not disappoint! Rick Houghton and Paul Velasco (GrandPrix247.com) dive into one of the wildest weekends of the season - full of fairytales, heartbreak and jaw-dropping drama.

🐎 From Lewis Hamilton’s stunning sprint win to the double disqualification heartbreak for Ferrari, the boys break down all the highs, lows and head-scratchers. As Paul says: “You can’t script this!”

🧡 Plus as McLaren dominate with a flawless 1-2 and Red Bull shows signs of vulnerability, Rick and Paul ask the big questions - can McLaren keep this up? What’s really going on at Ferrari? And is the championship fight wider open than we thought?

🕊️ And in a touching moment—news of Eddie Jordan’s passing cast a shadow over the paddock. Stay tuned for our upcoming special episode honouring one of the sport’s true originals.

 Bold calls, brutal honesty, and all the F1 chaos you love—this is Two Soft Compounds! 🔥

Podcast Rundown

1️⃣  Introduction and Eddie Jordan Tribute

2️⃣  Shanghai Sprint: Hamilton's Surprise Win

3️⃣  Piastri's Victory and Young Drivers

4️⃣  Red Bull's Struggles and Racing Bulls

5️⃣  Russell's Leadership and McLaren's Momentum

6️⃣  Points Finish Heroes and Underperformers

7️⃣  Ferrari's Double Disqualification Disaster

Production Credits:

Presented by: Rick Houghton & Paul Velasco
Studio Engineer & Editor: Roy D'Monte
Executive Producer: Ian Carless
Produced by: GrandPrix247 & W4 Podcast Studio

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Eddie Jordan Tribute
• 1:45 Shanghai Sprint: Hamilton's Surprise Win
• 5:40 Piastri's Victory and Young Drivers
• 11:45 Red Bull's Struggles and Racing Bulls
• 15:25 Russell's Leadership and McLaren's Momentum
• 19:37 Points Finish Heroes and Underperformers
• 22:57 Ferrari's Double Disqualification Disaster

Transcript

Rick Houghton: 0:02

Hi, welcome to the Two Soft Compounds podcast. Before we begin, I've got a quick favor to ask. There's one simple way you can support our show, and that's by hitting that follow or subscribe button on the app you're listening to the show on right now. It really does make a huge difference in helping us get the show out there to as many people as possible. So please give us a hand and click that button right now. Thank you, I don't make mistakes. I make prophecies that immediately turn out to be wrong.

Paul Valesco: 0:33

Anything can happen in Formula One, and it usually does.

Rick Houghton: 0:40

Welcome to another podcast with me, rick, and Paul Valesco, the founder and chief editor of Grand Prix 24-7.com. Now, before we move on to the race in China, we're going to talk for a very brief moment about Mr Eddie Jordan, former team principal. And I say for a brief moment because we've decided, paul and I, that we're going to do a special podcast on Eddie, his legacy, the larger-than-life character that he was. But we learned as the teams arrived in China of the sad passing of Eddie Jordan, and he affected many, many people up and down the paddock, didn't he, paul?

Paul Valesco: 1:15

Yes, indeed, and Aston Martin, who actually is the team that eventually went from, you'll probably know better than me, you'll better than me, but it was spiker. And then it went to midland and then it became force india, then it became laurence stroll's team.

Rick Houghton: 1:31

Aston martin ran this three leaf clover that was, you know, the badge of of jordan, and that was really really cool, very nice yep, that's why we're going to do a separate episode and in the next day or so so look out for that our special on eddie jordan. I work with the jordan team. And in the next day or so so look out for that Our special on Eddie Jordan. I worked with the Jordan team back in the early noughties, so I've got some first-hand accounts and some stories and some hilarious antidotes to bring to that as well, so we'll concentrate on that in a separate special podcast coming in the next day or so. So we arrive for round two of the 2025 season at the Shanghai day or so. So we arrive for round two of the 2025 season at the Shanghai Circuit in China. It was the first sprint weekend. I think we're going to hear lots this season, paul, about tyre windows and setup.

Paul Valesco: 2:14

Yeah, it was, you know, an interesting weekend, the first sprint weekend, which immediately had the teams, you know, on the back foot because only one practice session, a complicated track, you know, technically very foot because only one practice session, a complicated track, you know, technically very, very difficult to drive and, as you saw in qualifying, a lot of the rookies were towards the back of the field. Shanghai international circuit. I found it to be quite an interesting track, not proved not to be very good for racing because it was a bit mundane in the end, but in qualifying was really intriguing, especially that first turn sector in the hairpin. So, yeah, it challenged people, but yeah, I think you're right, tyres, especially on that new surface, they were three seconds quicker, I believe You'll give me the detail but with those tyres and that surface which gave a lot more grip, I think that played quite a big role.

Rick Houghton: 3:01

Yeah, when Hamilton put it on pole for the sprint race, he was three seconds a lap faster than the previous lap record which had been set by Michael Schumacher back in the day. So it just shows you how quickly the cars have developed and the new tyre services. I think we can talk about sprints. You know, hamilton on pole in his Ferrari, outqualified his teammate, which is a measure of any good team player, and then, you know, wins the sprint race by seven seconds. I just thought that was amazing and I thought it was a brilliant start to his campaign, having had a bit of a disappointing one in Australia.

Paul Valesco: 3:34

It's a fairytale story. You know His arrival. Okay, let's be honest, the honeymoon came to an end in Australia, but they got into the groove and I tell you it was a stunning win really. That's why you pay the money to the guy. You know he out-qualified Leclerc and he had the better of him all weekend until the race. But let's not get to the race yet. Let's just celebrate the fact that he won that in his second weekend with the team. I mean, you can't really. I'm going to be saying this quite a lot, so let's get used to it. Maybe it's a t-shirt to be made, but you can't script this shit. You really can't. You know what I mean. If someone wrote this in a movie, you'd say come on, give me a break. He's going to change teams and it's such a chaotic team and he's going to never going to happen. And boom, he wins.

Rick Houghton: 4:26

So the message for me there is give him a decent car and he's going to win the championship. I think in the interviews afterwards hamilton was a little bit taken aback and shocked with himself that he'd been able to pull off that win. I think he was completely made up that he put it on pole in the first place, but I think even he thought he wouldn't be able to outpace the mclarens and maybe even george russell when it came to the actual 19 laps of the sprint race. But he surprised himself and managed to keep the lead and, like I say, won the sprint by seven seconds, which, based on performances we saw in Australia, was kind of amazing. It was like, wow, ok, so maybe I've got the order completely wrong. Maybe McLaren are not the powerhouse that we thought they were going to be all season. Maybe Ferrari have just tweaked something and made this work magnificently. It was just bizarre and it made me question everything and that's why, you know, I think, there's so much unpredictability in this season.

Paul Valesco: 5:15

Yeah, the thing about it is the car really came to him even at the end. You know he controlled the early phase of the race and then, when you thought maybe it'll fall off the cliff, it didn't. He just carried on getting better and better. And to me, as amazing as it was for you to turn around it, to me it was equally amazing the way they bombed in the race straight after that. So, listen, we agree right, cause I want to get to the chase here. Piastri, mate, yeah, piastri. Oh, my, who predicted him Me?

Paul Valesco: 5:41

So it's 1-1, hey it is 1-1, yeah, and that was a bold call, even if I have to say so myself. But going there, I think Gastry has this incredible demeanor about him. You know, he's so nonchalant, he's so like, look Red Mist. You may know him from my website, michele Lupini. He's like a student of Formula 1. And he likens him to Jim Clark. He says probably that's the most, that's probably what Jim Clark operated like. You know, just absolutely ruthless, absolutely. Yeah, I'm over the moon for the guy and he did a pretty good job when McLaren dropped the ball in the sprint, so I'm really very chuffed for him and he's back in the hunt. They can't discount him because every time Lando raises the bar, the kid bounces back and just think about Australia. You know, after that disappointment, you got to be bold, you got to be big. You know what I said.

Paul Valesco: 6:34

I actually thought about it and you might agree or disagree, because this applies to all the young guys there. I think Mark Webber makes a big difference. Being in that guy's corner, I have no receipts to say, yes, mark's doing even anything. Having a guy like Mark Webber there who knows all the ins and outs, I'm suggesting that that's helping Oscar a lot. Like I say, I think the guy if we could ever get on here as a guest would be Mark Webber, because you know he believed in Oscar. He'll know a few things about Oscar. That would be pretty telling. So yeah, I think if you look at it like who's? Liam Lawson got in his corner, you know.

Rick Houghton: 7:14

I mean talk about Liam Lawson. I mean you know the kid's struggling. My sort of attitude is to put an arm around him and go right. You know, hopefully you can sort this out, hopefully Red Bull can help you sort this out, hopefully you can understand where the issues are and move forward. There's been a lot of people sort of trying to stab him in the back over the last couple of weeks and I'm not really. I don't really like that. I mean he's not doing anything on purpose to make his performance not good. You know he's trying his very best and I think he gets beaten down. Not only have you got to question your own confidence, but then when you get into that Red Bull car, if other people are bashing you as well, then it's a double confidence blow. I think we should give him a break. Let him try and prove something. But I do get the impression that Red Bull are not going to give him long to try and prove something.

Paul Valesco: 8:01

Yeah, I mean, you know there's even talk they're going to ditch him already. But you know, especially when you've got a guy like Yuki who is overseen and you've got to go back to what I've said previously, is that maybe Red Bull have erred on this one, or maybe Red Bull is just a one-man team. It's a team for staff and if you take that guy off the equation they'll be like midfielders. You know, I don't know. I mean, the more I know about Formula One, the less I do, because I just cannot understand the Liam Lawson. You know he just hasn't got it. You, the Liam Lawson, you know he just hasn't got it. You know, a bit like Nick De Vries, I also believed in Dink De Vries. Maybe I'm just getting old, I don't know, you know. So, liam, yeah, I don't know what to say. I mean, I'm out of words actually.

Rick Houghton: 8:42

It's slightly. I mean, I think you're right, I think you know, Paul, Can you remember a single race in recent history where Max Verstappen has lost two places on the opening lap?

Paul Valesco: 8:59

That's the kind of question I'd ask you, but he seemed to be keeping his powder dry and he just yeah, it was rather timid, which is timid, and Max just don't go together, but I don't recall when last it had happened. Has it ever? I don't go together, but I don't recall when last did it happen. Has it ever? I don't think it ever happens.

Rick Houghton: 9:14

I don't think he has. I can't recall any time where Max Verstappen, in a Red Bull car, has lost two places on the opening lap of a race. He normally makes up two places on the opening lap. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I just found that bizarre. So it's clearly not an easy car to drive, but for Max, well, he's Max, so you know he can turn a disappointing car into a moderate success, whereas someone like Liam Lawson and we saw Checo Perez as you know, they can't drive the second car. You know, it just seems undriveable for anyone who isn't Max Verstappen. You know it would be great to make a comparison. I mean, this is never going to to happen, never going to happen at all. But what if they put hamilton in that second car? Would he be able to drag a decent race out of it?

Paul Valesco: 9:58

yeah, that's never going to happen. But what if they stuck lawson in verstappen's car just for one session? Yeah, just say, listen, drive this and exactly like it is. Yeah, but I don't know if actually it would allow that, because I don't know. But don't they have data that they share? I don't know. I just think anyone you put next to max, just you know, max will drive a wheelbarrow fast max can get something out of it.

Rick Houghton: 10:21

Anyone else who goes in the second red bull car is going to struggle by comparison.

Paul Valesco: 10:26

But but we digress. We digress, though, because max didn't even like you said, didn't play a role.

Rick Houghton: 10:31

Yeah, I think in the last 19 laps he said afterwards the car seemed to come to him a little bit, he was struggling. But yeah, it's Max Verstappen. He's going to battle every single season, every single race, so hopefully they'll get their head around it and give Max a really good car. As for Liam Lawson, well, time will tell, but I think you know the vultures are circling a little bit. Yuki Tsunoda is doing a good job in the racing bulls. I was really impressed with Isaac Hadja this weekend. I thought after the disappointment of Australia, he's brushed himself down. He got on with it and had some pretty impressive sessions over the weekend. All right, the race he finished in 11th, which he could have been the higher up the order, but I thought he was starting to do a good job in the racing bulls. And, of course, yuki Tsunoda had he not had the front wing failure, would have finished well within the top 10.

Paul Valesco: 11:22

Absolutely your favorite team, racing Bulls. You said, watch them and they definitely have a very good car. But it went awry in the race. If you think about it, isak Hajar did really good to qualify P7, showing that the racing bull has pace. You know, really had good pace, so in the end they went backwards. So what was a stellar Saturday turned out to be a very disappointing Sunday for them. But they do have a decent car and I'm still not sure Yuki or whatever I think they they still got to give Lawson a few more races.

Rick Houghton: 11:55

But yeah, that's just my call yeah, also some interesting results in China as well. We'll get on to what happened to Ferrari in just a bit, but George Russell continuing to do well in the Mercedes, that's a big takeaway, I think, from the weekend too. George Russell continuing his pace, his growth and his um, his journey with Mercedes. One thing that eluded me a little bit was how Antonelli, okay, made changes, but how he just sort of stayed in eighth position for most of the race. All right, he finished in sixth. He was kind of lost and on his own for most of the race and I thought, after Australia, when he did such an amazing job to go from 16th to fourth, there would have been more promise from him in China, but you know, it was another one where they were struggling to get the tyres works. I think George Russell has started to master that in a Mercedes because you know on the podium and he's probably the best of the rest after the McLarens at the moment yeah, indeed.

Paul Valesco: 12:45

Well, let's start with George first. I agree with you. You know, george, I sound like a stuck record, but George is coming into his own now. He made no mistakes in combat. You know, maybe a year ago he would have tripped up because there were some moments there that he was involved. But honestly, kudos to him.

Paul Valesco: 13:03

I think Mercedes are surprised every time they find this kind of pace in the car and Russell delivers. Russell was impressive, you know best of the rest, he really chased Norris right at the end there. So you know, kudos to them. And Norris, I felt you know he had a recovery race. He admitted throughout the weekend he made too many mistakes, which is something Formula One drivers don't do. But that's how Norris likes to go racing. He just wears his heart on his sleeve and he just was beaten by the better guy and honestly, I felt that the delight between the two was not fake. You know McLaren are really on a high and I think you know Zach is just galvanizes the whole thing. And then Stella is the guy who keeps everything calm and the two drivers are pushing each other to different heights all the time, which has been the hallmark of their partnership. Actually, none of them are folded. One goes quicker, the other one goes quicker.

Paul Valesco: 13:57

This weekend Piastri raised the bar. Last weekend it was Norris. They're young boys, so they're still going to mature. I really believe in this era. I think guys like Max and these boys, they start maturing between 30 and 34. They'll be absolutely at their peak. You've got a guy who's 23 winning a Grand Prix. Now he's just going to get better and better and better. Yeah, super impressed. As a McLaren fan, I'm super happy for the team one two. You know it's the first one two they ever had was in 1968 and this was their 50th. So there you go. You know what a great team. So, yeah, I'm proud to be a mclaren fan today yeah, george russell.

Rick Houghton: 14:41

You know there were a few people that said, uh, george should, shouldn't be stepping up as team leader in the mercedes team there were a number of people are saying, well, you haven't gone for carlos science, you've gone for this young antonelli kid. I think anyone who was doubting russell to put team leader on is also having to have, uh, some humble pie eaten, because russell's put on a mature performance so far this season. You know he's known for making the odd mistake here and there, but so far he's been really well executed and calculated in his approach to this season. He just seems very cool, very calm, very collected.

Paul Valesco: 15:15

Yep, he's filling the role perfectly and Antonelli has a very good benchmark to chase. In terms of Kimi, I mean, he got drive over the day, which I felt he didn't really deserve. I don't think he even expected it. Yeah, I thought that was strange. Yeah, but again, he's 18. He's got probably a TikTok following from here to wherever. Even Toto Wolff alluded to that when he said, yeah, I think there's the 16 to 18-year-old fan base on their phones. But kudos to him. You know, end of the day, you look up and down the list who's the top rookie? It's Kimi Antonelli. So I won't say he was the best rookie on the day or even on the weekend, but hey, he ticked the boxes, he didn't bin it. Yeah, I think he did a fair job.

Rick Houghton: 16:00

Yeah, before we get into the Ferrari bombshell, let's talk about.

Paul Valesco: 16:04

Haas. You know what we're going to finish off with Ferrari, I think, because you know what. Talking about drivers of the day, my driver of the day was either Alex Albon or Oliver Berman, you know, yeah, and you know, even Esteban Ocon had a great drive. Yeah, he made a move that was out of like I don't know where. He just kept it flat on the sand and he got past. It was Antonelli, I believe, which was kind of like a Haas beating a Mercedes.

Paul Valesco: 16:30

But anyway, whatever the case, those are three drivers, in my opinion, deserve driver of the day. You know, because obviously the Haas was good on the day, because and a good recovery from Haas, because they were nowhere at some point in the weekend Berman, I felt, was fantastic. I mean, he had some cool moves and some cool chirps on the radio and it was a double-point score for Haas, so I felt that was good. And then Alexander Albon took a mighty gamble. He stayed out there longer than most, told the team to shut up and he got on with it and he delivered, whereas Carlos Sanz didn't deliver in the other Williams. So, honestly, driver of the day, I would toss it up between Albon, ocon or Berman, any of those three, but it went to Antonelli, so be it, yeah.

Rick Houghton: 17:17

And a quick mention on Aston Martin. Another disappointing race for Fernando Alonso. He crashed in Australia, which is very unlike him, and unfortunately, a technical retirement today, which I believe is the first technical retirement of the season. He just didn't have any breaks and they retired the car fairly early on.

Paul Valesco: 17:33

Yeah, I think Pierre Gasly saw them burning. He reported it. And, lo and behold, a few moments later there was Fernando trundling around in the Aston Martin yeah, it's, I don't know that team mate. It's like again Eddie Jordan's team, former team, with all the money that Lawrence has spent on that team. I just don't get it. And you know, they've got Newey there. You'd think he had to give a helping hand, but if he is, it's just going backwards for him. But I think they shot themselves on the foot because he went so well on the hards and so long and he had pace. He was right up there. At one point the other teams realized, hey, this could be a one-stopper, when most people thought it was going to be a two-stopper. So interesting, because I think he was in for a good points haul. But he dropped down to P12. But I think, with all the things, he's going to get points for sure. But the reality is he missed out on quite a lot more because, like I said, his pace was his undoing actually.

Rick Houghton: 18:35

Yeah, the Saubers didn't have a great day of it. Bortoletto had an unfortunate spin in the first couple of corners which basically put pay to his race, and Nico Hülkenberg they made a slight change on the car before the race. So to his race and Nico Hülkenberg. They made a slight change on the car before the race, so he started from the pit lane, which is always going to put him on the back foot, but effectively they were right at the back with Yuki Tsunoda being in last place. But again, that was because of the front wing failure.

Rick Houghton: 18:55

Then we got on to the DNFs. We know Alonso retired with a technical failure. So I'm going to start with Pierre Gasly in the Alpine, because the other two obviously focus around our favourite team in red. But Pierre Gasly was disqualified because his car was found to be underweight when they did the scrutineering at the end of the race. So basically, they weigh the car, they weigh the driver and it has to be above a certain minimum weight to pass scrutineering. And it wasn't. We don't know by how much at the moment, but it just wasn't. So Pierre Gasly disqualified. Now it's very, very strange to have three cars disqualified at one event.

Paul Valesco: 19:32

Okay, but you're getting ahead of yourself there. I just need to say something because I'm not a technical guy. But right at the beginning Leclerc nearly punted Lewis off, or Lewis nearly cut Leclerc off, depends on what camp you're in. That's right. Right, and there was a tag and then the ferrari lost its winglet. Right, you saw that little like uh, horizontal winglet thing went flying, so it had one wing and the car actually was quicker. The broken ferrari was quicker than the fixed ferrari and actually actually let him pass. Okay, good, that's wind and someone will explain. Well, the downforce created it. But there you go. You know, I mean it's like they spend all this money, all this technology, and the broken bit works better than the fixed bit. I mean you got to explain that to me.

Rick Houghton: 20:12

I mean you know it's, I get it, but it's like, yeah, come on, guys, you know you know, at one point the clerks engineer said they were losing between 21 and 30 downforce points.

Paul Valesco: 20:22

What is that which? What is it? 30 downforce point it's? Is it vis-a-vis 100? I don't know.

Rick Houghton: 20:30

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the formula or the equation is. If it's out of 100, then maybe 21 downforce points to lose, isn't that much? I was convinced they were going to change the nose of the first pit stop, but of course they didn't, because that would have taken about 12 seconds. But he kept on with it and the FIA allowed it too, which is strange because I thought, you know, maybe on safety issues they may have mandated that he had to come in and change it.

Paul Valesco: 20:55

Well, there was nothing dangling from the car. You know it didn't look perilous like, for instance, tsunoda's wing that snapped. You know you could see that it was ready to just get some kind of jolt and fly off, whereas the snap yeah, you know you could see that it was ready to just get some kind of jolt and fly off, whereas the wing actually made the Ferrari look prettier.

Rick Houghton: 21:12

Yeah, if you think about it. So Ferrari completes the race and they go into scrutineering. Let's talk about why they were disqualified. So Leclerc was disqualified for the same reason as Pierre Gasly in the Alpine his car and him found to be underweight at the end of the race. Now me, I don't know how you can mess this calculation up, as an experienced team with thousands of men and women and many, many millions of pounds in the budget.

Rick Houghton: 21:36

And Lewis Hamilton was disqualified because the skid plank underneath the car had worn away too much. So each Formula One car has a wooden plank underneath it. At the end of the race, they measure the thickness of that plank to make sure it hasn't worn down by more than the guaranteed millimeters in the regulations. And clearly, the setup changes they made on Hamilton's car meant it was difficult to drive, as he said, but it was also running too low to the ground, which means the skid plate was worn away beyond the rules. I mean, I just don't understand how they put those two cars out there in the race and they both got disqualified for different reasons. Can you shed any light on that, paul?

Paul Valesco: 22:11

Yeah, well, I can't, you know, like I'm not the best guy to blow, smoke up Ferrari's exhaust. That's not my style, because you know they're a team that should win every race, as Niki and they did. They won on beautiful, but a beautiful win, but then they lost the plot, you know, and yeah, I don't get it the call that's you know I mean how embarrassing as well.

Rick Houghton: 22:35

You've got your customer team has who take the ferrari engine both finishing in the points and you've got, you know, this team. You've paid a lot of money for lewis hamilton services and so far you know he's delivered, he's turned up, he's not being thrashed by his teammate. You know he won the sprint race. Happy days, that's great.

Paul Valesco: 22:50

But you know look, I think you summed it up 110% in terms of aren't they doing what they call simulations of this stuff? I mean, aren't they doing those kind of simulations? They have to be me. And, importantly, uh, as jad malik pointed out, our editor, who's monitoring the disqualification he said the winglet that snapped off would have not made the difference. The wing you know intact wing was still underweight. Yeah, so it was not like they are they. Are they lucky because he lost a piece of wing? So it's a car was a little lighter. No, yeah, in this day and age, in formula one, at this level, those kind of mistakes are. Yeah, it's just what makes Ferrari. It's not new, mate. It's not new.

Rick Houghton: 23:32

You know I'm used to seeing Ferrari make poor strategy calls. They did it in Australia, what I'm not used to seeing. I mean you know experienced Formula One strategists and engineers. You know they know how long the race is. They know how much fuel they're going to need to get through the race. How long the race is, they know how much fuel they're going to need to get through the race. They know all these things. They've got all these calculations. I don't understand why it's not worked out in advance and then sorted by the end of the race, because going into scrutineering with illegal cars just no excuse for a team like that.

Paul Valesco: 23:59

And if you think about it, thinking about scraping a plank, what about Ocon's move on the sand? They would have scraped the plank, but the car was legal, you know. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think they haven't managed the weekends, the first two weekends, properly. It's too volatile. You know, they're either absolutely brilliant, like they were and they've been many times, when they win, but at times, and more times than not, they just get the maths wrong.

Rick Houghton: 24:28

Yeah, no doubt. Well, listen, Paul. Thanks so much for having a look back and having some insight into the Chinese Grand Prix. Look out for our episode paying tribute to Eddie Jordan that will be landing in the next day or so. Make sure you subscribe and please tell your mates about Two Soft Compounds. We'll be back next week, which is a rest week, really. But We'll be back next week, which is a rest week really, but we're in between a two-week period before the next Grand Prix, which is Japan.

Rick Houghton: 24:56

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