Monaco GP: Kimi's Masterclass, Hamilton's Return and Max's Disaster!

Monaco always exposes the smallest weaknesses, and this weekend was no exception. This week, host's Rick and Damien break down Kimi Antonelli’s stunning qualifying performance, the crucial relationship between driver and race engineer, and why modern Formula One is as much about information management as outright speed.

The guys also unpack Max Verstappen’s power issues, Lando Norris’ frustrating retirement, Mercedes’ handling of George Russell’s penalty, Charles Leclerc’s brake frustrations, and the fine margins that can make or break a Monaco Grand Prix.

Plus, they look ahead to Barcelona and ask whether the Spanish Grand Prix could shake up the order once again.

Production Credits:

Presented by: Rick Houghton & Damien Reid
Studio Engineer & Editor: Ben Dover
Executive Producer: Ian Carless 
Produced by: Poddworx Dubai

Transcript

Monaco Hype Versus Reality

Rick Houghton 0:02

I don't make mistakes, I make prophecies that immediately turn out to be wrong. Anything can happen in Formula One, and it usually does. Hey, welcome to another edition of Two Soft Compounds, the Formula One podcast with me, Rick and Damien Reed, motoring journalist and former Formula One commentator. How are you, Damo? I'm doing well, especially after that weekend. I actually like the Monaco Grand Prix. Yeah, you know what? I always get excited when the Monaco Grand Prix comes up and the build-up and the celebrity and the uh the zooshness of it. And then the race starts, and you think, why did I get excited? It's just a procession once again. And actually, that's how it looked from the start, with some notable exceptions, which we'll come on to a little bit later on. Uh but of course this weekend after Monaco is just fantastic. We've got lots to talk about and lots to unpack.

Antonelli’s Practice To Pole Rise

Rick Houghton 0:53

I want to talk about the weekend itself. I want to talk about the genius that is Kimmy Antonelli, regarded by many, including Martin Brundle, who said you've just watched a once-in-a-generation driver who has performed above and beyond his ability. Uh, we'll come on to his race in just a bit, but I want to talk about the way he built up speed throughout the weekend in every practice session. He wasn't really there in FP1. Uh FP2, he wasn't really there, but then FP3 started chipping away at the times. And when we got into qualifying, I mean he was just something completely different. Oh my goodness. You know, that that was my 37th Monaco Grand Prix that I've covered, either via remotely or there. I think I've been 18 or 19 on site. And I can't remember getting a chill down my spine, literally, when I watched that lap. I thought he was sticking on the wall three or four times. He brushed the wall a couple of times, and this gives 19. You know, he's the age when I was when I went there as a journalist, and I can't imagine how you could have that kind of pressure and deal with it. That was an absolutely phenomenal lap. And I said to someone this week, I put that right up there with Airton Senner's lap in the wet in Donnington in the McLaren. Just blew my mind away. It just staggering. So I watched the coverage on Sky Sports F1 in the UK. Um, it gives you the option to uh to click the red button and pick which driver you want to go on board with, and I did it for the whole of qualifying with Kimi Antonelli. I was convinced he was going to get poll because of the way he'd improved uh his driving and his times throughout the weekend. And like I say, the way he ramped it up session by session, I thought was quite amazing, especially for someone so young. Um so I watched the whole of qualifying from the cockpit of his car, which also gave me access to team radio, and I got some audio to play, which is fascinating. I've edited this fairly heavily because in most of the qualifying sessions they were doing an outlap, then they were doing a preparation lap before they went on their flying lap. In Q3, Antonelli came out for the first time in Q3, just did an outlap and then a flying lap. But for the second time, which is when he set the poll time, he came out, he did an outlap, a preparation lap, and then the flying lap. So I wanted to try and demonstrate this is the most important qualifying of the Formula One season in Monaco because you can't overtake in the race. It's also the qualifying session which puts the most pressure on the race engineers because with 22 cars out in Q1, they have to constantly call their driver to let them know what's going on in front of them and what's going on behind them to avoid collisions. So the clip you're going to hear now is Antonelli going out of the pits for his second stint in Q3 with Pete Bonington on his engineer on the radio. When he talks about five behind, that means the car that's on a flying lap is just five seconds behind him to give him a chance to get out of the way. And when you hear him say strat 2, go for it, that's when he shuts up on the radio and lets Kimmy do his flying lap in silence. So this is an edited version of the outlap, the preparation lap. There's not much audio of the flying lap because there's no radio transmissions, but then at the end you can tell exactly what's happened. Have a listen to this. Fascinating stuff.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

Gasly last quarter now. Five ahead and six. Gasly at three behind.

Team Radio Pressure And Interference

Rick Houghton 5:52

For a number of reasons. One, Pete Bollington's got to be so switched on during those preparation laps for cars coming up behind to do flying laps. His constant feeding of information to his driver is just unbelievable. So from a race engineer's point of view, it's the Grand Prix of the year. But then I'm thinking you've got a 19-year-old kid in the cockpit who is having to listen and process this information whilst trying to warm his tires for his flying lap, and then at the same time make adjustments on his steering wheel based on uh Bono's instructions. I'm like, he's 19 for crying out loud. It's just an information overload. And he's so cool with it. It's unbelievable. But this is the thing, there's a couple of takeaways from that as well, like that I picked up there over the course of the weekend, is that yeah, I mean, these guys are on the radio for about 70% of the lap giving them information like that, plus telling them where they can improve and what they did right and what they did wrong last time around. And in that respect, you've got to give the backmarkers, you've got to cut them a little bit of slack every now and then when they say, oh, he he was in the way he impeded him. And you were told on the radio, yeah, along with everything else that you've got to comprehend, and you've got to work the buttons and the dials on the steering wheel and drive like a demon around a track that's no wider than a country lane. But the other factor with Monaco in particular, Miami's a little bit the same, is that the amount of radio interference from the stuff that's going on there, not only do you have 22 teams with all their radio equipment going on, you've got all the VIP boxes, everyone's got a mobile phone, at least one. Then you've got all the yachts in the harbor, you've got yacht harbor control, right? Then you've got tunnels and hills. You get so much radio breakup that quite often these guys don't even get the message at the right time. And how they process this around the toughest street track in the world is beyond me. And this kid's 19. Blows me away, really blows me away. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Um I noticed as well from watching Q1 and Q2, there was a lot of coaching from Bono going on in Q1 and 2, but in Q3 left him alone in terms of coaching. Uh, but in Q1, for instance, uh Bono came on the radio and he said, you're not quick enough on the throttle out of turn one. And at turn eight, which is the right hander before the tunnel, um, you basically your entry speed's too high and you're compromising your exit. So he was also working with that data that he had on the telemetry and letting him know which corners he could improve on and basically what to do about it. And I saw some really interesting telemetry just today, actually, about Antonelli's race pace and the fact that he was pulling out on Hamilton for most of the race. Uh, but the pace he was making up was all in the tunnel. He was faster than Hamilton and any other car on the grid in the tunnel. So that's where he was clawing the advantage from. Um, but let's start to talk about the race now.

Race Start Chaos And Key Retirements

Rick Houghton 8:38

And it was a nightmare for many, many teams, uh, no less than Max Verstappen, who we thought could have definitely challenged for race lead into turn one. He's had the better starts this season than Antonelli, and of course he put it second on the grid with just milliseconds of uh time between him and Antonelli, and then this nightmare start with the power unit. Yeah, I I saw him when he came around on the on the formation lap and he was gridding up, and uh that's that's apparently when it all started to come undone because when he gridded up, the the little onboard camera that faces back of the drive, if you if you see it just briefly, and it's got the max, you know, he's his face is covering the full screen, and he shakes his head left to right, and and and then that cuts away. And I went, uh-oh, something's going wrong here, something's going wrong. So the the pre-start sequence wasn't working his way already. And then, of course, when it happened, uh, yeah, got a complete internal combustion engine power failure, and it was being driven 100% on the electric motor. That's how he got the thing going. If in the good old days, that car would have stalled on the grid and who knows what would have happened behind. So at least he had the temerity of mind to at least pull to the left with the electric unit and bring the thing back. But man, what a disaster! What an absolute disaster. Yeah, it really was. And and you know, well done to the drivers behind who managed to avoid him because that could have been a catastrophe in itself. The race continued with lots more retirees. Valteri Bottas retired, Oli Berman retired. That was after some contact with his teammate. Uh, and then, of course, Lando Norris, McLaren's, another team that had an absolute nightmare in Monaco. Norris was complaining he was down on power for many of the laps before he actually retired. I don't know if you were were you uh watching it with David Croft as a commentator? No, thankfully. I was watching uh F1 TV. So David Croft and Martin Brundle completely missed Loris losing power and George Russell getting past him in the tunnel. Completely missed it. Uh Crofty was talking about something else, and then he was talking about um oh the Crown Prince is gonna present the trophy to the winner eventually, and he was talking about all that. Neither of them were watching the screen, so they missed it completely. And then three minutes later, Crofty says, Oh, I think Russell must have uh got past Norris. And I'm like, I'm screaming at the TV going, what are you doing? Anyway, these things happened, and I quite like Crofty as a commentator, and Martin Brundle is a god in my eyes. But uh Norris had low power, he was complaining about it for most of the race until uh it eventually gave out, and George Russell and a number of other drivers got past him, and then they asked him to box the car to retire it. So McLaren's going to be working very hard in the short week between Monaco and Barcelona to figure out what exactly went wrong with their car. Yeah, it's a bit of a bit of a disaster for Landau on the on the power unit issues. He's had a he's not had a good run as the world champion. Um uh and but but I think just with McLaren in general, because yes, Oscar finished fourth, but he couldn't get onto the tail of an of a of a Ford-powered Red Bull that was struggling. Isaac had you. You know, he had transmission issues, he had power issues, and and Oscar last year, the the 2025 version of Oscar would have been all over him. So that McLaren just wasn't wired in for that track, despite the upgrades they had last time out. Having said that, I thought Piastri got a sensational start. He managed to uh to to manage to back Pierre Gasly into Lando, Norris at turn one, pinched Lando against the against the wall, um, and and that allowed Gasly to uh to hold Lando back and give him the buffer that he needed for for the first quarter of that race. So that was good. But yeah, the McLaren just on both cars just didn't have it, didn't have the match. I mean, the fact he couldn't keep up with Isaac Hadger in a perfectly good McLaren, yeah, they've got some issues. Yeah, certainly have.

Russell’s Penalties And Mercedes Confusion

Rick Houghton 12:24

Uh it was also a nightmare weekend for George Russell. I noticed after qualifying, and I'm pretty sure this didn't happen, that George Russell did not present himself in the media pen for interviews. I thought that was startling, actually. I mean, if he did, it was long after the live coverage had finished. So I you know, kudos to George. If he did, I apologize, but he certainly didn't do it for the hour and a half that I was watching after qualifying had finished. So I think he's getting, I mean, he's clearly getting embarrassed by his teammate. I mean, Antonelli is just something else, and George Russell in the same machinery just can't compete. Yeah, I mean, you know, like he was you said, uh playing mind games and the and the mental approach from George was impacted even before the last race, and then I think that's carried on to this one. He had it over him, you know, Kimmy handed over him in during qualifying. If he didn't turn up to the conference or the in the media pen, then he'd be a he'd be a few dollars lighter, that's for sure. But yeah, and then just get you know getting into the race. I mean, he he just okay. To be fair and give George his credit this time around, there was there was quite a few things that didn't go his way, but still, I mean, doesn't matter how you put it, Kimmy Antonelli had it over him mentally and on the track. Yeah, and then of course, uh we had the Palaver with the five seconds stop go penalty, which he got for speeding in the pit lane. We'll talk more about that in just a bit because it affected many of the teams. Uh but George Russell had the five-second penalty, they decided, well, it seems though George Russell decided he was going to come in. The team wanted to leave him out, but by the time they'd made that call, he was already turned into the pit lane. So they they double-stacked the uh the two Mercedes cars, and I felt really sorry for the guys on the front wheel, on the right-hand side, front wheel gun guys, because they clearly understood what was supposed to happen. They did not touch the car in any way, and then the left wheel guy decided he was just getting on with a regular pit stop. So he touched the car. Once they did that, the rest of the team kicked into action and performed a pit stop. So the confusion was mental. But surely someone should have communicated to the pit crew and to George, listen, we've got to serve this five-second penalty. No one touches the car. Those pit lads have all got radio, so they can be contacted. And once they knew he was coming in, that's all a very short message. Five-second time penalty, serve it, then change the tires. And it didn't happen. So that was a massive mistake by the Mercedes team. Yeah, I mean, it was radio chaos in Mercedes. Tato said there was a massive communication area, and I think that that that backdates back to Kimmy, to be honest, because they asked Kimmy if he wanted to extend if if a safety car came out just as Stroll crashed. It was a green flag at that time, and it crashed. And so they told him to uh they told him to stay out just at Rascas, and then they told him to box at Rascat. It was too late. So Kimmy had to go around again, do another lap. Then they told George to stay out, but because everyone had to drive through pit lane anyway, that confused George and it confused the pit crew. And George saw the the pit box and went, Oh, well, I'm I'm gonna turn the steering wheel left and park it. Um, and and so the the mechanics were like, Oh, okay, George is here, what do we do? And you're right, the guy on the left front just went into went into uh a repetitive mode and they didn't have time. I don't I don't think they had time to say five seconds to it to everyone because he just started working. You see the guy on the right wheel going, hang on, he started, oh, I guess we better do it, and then the the jack guy dropped it, and George goes. So it was just a calamity of errors from start to finish um that that impacted Russell big time. So that led to a drive-thru penalty for George Russell. He was running fourth at one point and could have been on for a podium, uh, but that meant that he eventually finished the race in 12th because of the the drive-thru cost him about uh 18, 19 seconds.

Rascasse Breakup And Ferrari Brake Row

Rick Houghton 16:02

Um, let's talk about um the track. I think they should do this at every single Formula One race from now on. Uh resurface a small patch of tarmac just before a slow corner because the tarmac started breaking up from this resurface patch at Rascast, and uh that first of all sent Lan Stroll into the wall, which basically brought out the safety car, and then it sent uh Mr. Charles Leclerc into the wall as well. However, um whilst Lanstroll was fairly certain it probably was the track that had sent him off, and I saw the replays in slow motion, and if you look at it, the the tarmac that had come away from the main surface of the road um basically acted like giant marbles. So when he put his wheel on that, it just meant that he had no traction going into the corner, which sent him off into the wall. Now, if you speak to Charlotte Clerk, he would say, No, it was the brakes. He he after the race, he was fuming. Um, and he said, No, it's nothing to do with the track, it was the lousy brakes I've got on my Ferrari, especially the rear brakes he was complaining about. So much so that I hear today that Bremo are reviewing their relationship with Ferrari because they felt as though he'd insulted them. Uh because Bremo brakes are run on Charles's car. Now, you may know better than me, but when Charles was interviewed afterwards, he said, We know what the fix is for this, by the way. I just have to do what Lewis does. So I'm I'm an I'm guessing that Lewis has a different brake supplier than Charles. Yes, he does. Yeah, yeah. So there's a couple, a couple things I unpack there. Firstly, uh the the track surface definitely contributed from what I hear from from Lance and from Aston Martin, whether they're just saying this to to appease him or not, but he said that the car unintended to accelerate, which is a bit like what Piastri had in Melbourne on the on the curb, yeah, and he didn't want the car to accelerate, and it did. Now, I don't know how much val how much truth is in that or not. Then there's the other thing is that yeah, around this tra around this track, now these cars with these new power units don't really have rear brakes, they use the the the compression of the of the EV unit to slow the car down on the rear wheels because it's a transaxal the whole thing. So the there's the front brakes that do a lot of the work, and the rear brakes is effectively through the the electrical motor turning into a generator. And that's why we saw the Cadillacs catching fire, because you can do all the sims in the world and it doesn't, it it's nothing like real world. You don't get enough cooling through the car to cool down the front brakes. The front brakes do an awful lot of work more than anyone expected. So going back to Charles's situation, yeah, if you remember going back when Lewis joined Ferrari, he said he wanted to have carbon industry brakes on his car, not the Brembos that Ferrari have been contracted with for decades now, because his Mercedes, his whole Mercedes career were with carbon industry brakes on the Mercedes and on McLaren back in 2007. So he's never used any other brake. Ferrari appeased him and said, Look, we've signed a lot of money for this guy. Let him maybe see I brakes, and we'll tell Brembo to keep it quiet. That's the difference going into this weekend. That's what Charles was alluding to, saying we've got to look at maybe going towards Lewis's setup. And that's why Brembo came out so strongly on Sunday night and said, Look, it's not the brakes. And Charles begs to differ because Lewis didn't have that problem. So I wouldn't be surprised if they were having a very long, hard conversation about ditching their beloved Italian brake manufacturer and maybe switching to carbon industries from from here in. Yeah, it was very interesting seeing Charles Leclerc at the end of that race. I've never seen him so fuming before. I mean, he was absolutely uh outraged by what had happened. And and I think Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um so that's gonna be interesting to see what happens. Uh the Spanish Grand Prix this weekend, of course. It's nice to have back-to-back Grand Prix, isn't it, Damer? It's a nice change, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, my goodness, another weekend, another race. Who'd have thought? Uh so we've already talked about Max Verstappen. In the other Red Bull, Isaac Hadjar brought it home in third place to get his first ever Monaco podium. And he was suffering with power issues throughout the race as well. I mean, I've never heard someone more frustrated on the team radio. Uh, we know he's a bit hot-headed, Hadjar. And we also know that he uh he tends to uh forget some of the rules in Formula One. So he at one point was at danger of getting a penalty for not keeping the correct distance behind uh the safety car. Um they let him off with that one, uh, but he did have power issues, but still managed to bring it home in third place. Yeah, he did uh to be fair, he did a great job. He you know, his left front feel his left front tire was gone by left fifteen. To get this one away and lead the two greatest drivers on the grid right now, Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton, and he did it twice. Yeah, unbelievable. Let's talk about some of the other teams.

Pit Lane Speeding Penalties Explained

Rick Houghton 23:44

Not a bad day out for the Racing Bulls. Liam Lawson finished in fifth. Arvin Limbad blad in sixth place. Pierre Gasly could have got a podium if it had not been for the unfortunate penalties. And let's talk about those speeding in the pit lane penalties. I read today that the speeding in the pit lane penalties were accurate. The sensors were working as they should have done. The issue was that to because it's a tight pit lane entrance and it's a very narrow pit lane, the drivers that got the penalties were basically putting their two left-hand wheels into the slow lane of the pit lane and not driving straight into the fast lane, which they normally would do at any other track. So they were sort of cutting that angle a little bit. So half the car was in the slow lane and half the car was in the fast lane of the pit lane. Now there's nothing illegal with that. You're allowed to do that. There's nothing in the rules that says you can't dip your wheels into the slow lane. But obviously you wouldn't want to because there are teams coming in all the time for tire changes, especially under red flag conditions. So that that's what caused it. Some of the drivers were warned about it. Antonelli didn't get a penalty, but a lot of the field did, which compromised the race result, but made it exciting for us. Yeah, absolutely. And my understanding is, yeah, is after looking into it, it was a very similar thing. I'm going to blame Cadillac because it's compounded by the fact that there's an extra, there's a two X, there's an extra kit pit box with Cadillac. So the pit lane's a little bit longer, which meant they had to put a bit of a kink at the end of pit lane, which meant they had to paint the what the white line to be a little more squiggly. And so, yeah, my understanding is that during free practice one, two, and three is that they measure the time it takes for the cars to transit at 60 kilometers an hour through pit lane, and then they determined that to be the speed. Uh, and it's so it's based on the transit time rather than the actual speed. And they they determined that by cutting that little putting a wheel onto that white line meant that they were transiting slightly quicker than anyone else. Now, to give you an example, Lewis Hamilton's penalty was because he was at 60.01 kilometers per hour, 0.01 over the limit, because he put the wheel on over the white line. So, yeah, that's kind of where they got it. Um, it's finicky, but when we're talking about qualifying down to hundredths of a second, you can't really say it's too finicky, unfortunately. They just got caught out by it this time around. That's what Martin Brundle said today, actually. He said, listen, you're gonna have a rule like that, you've got to be hard and fast with it, because of course, as we saw, 34 milliseconds um was the difference between Antonelli on pole and Max Verstappen in second place. Yeah, it's a line at the speed, you can't be half pregnant in that situation. Exactly. I like that analogy, very good. Uh, the first world championship points of the season for Fernando Alonso, who at the start of the weekend said he didn't think either car would actually race. That's how worried they were with the situation. Adrian knew he was back on the pit wall for the first time since uh Australia. He's been unwelled, but he's back. And the woes continue at Aston Martin. Yeah, Adrian was back, which is good to see, as you say, first time since since Melbourne, so only his second race this season. And uh he did put a glimmer of hope for Aston Martin fans out there saying that uh on on the on the grid walk, he said, Look, we're not looking to do piecemeal upgrades. Now, that's what they were gonna do during the sea, but they obviously changed their mind, and they're waiting for uh one big upgrade that's gonna come, which is gonna be power unit, electrical unit, aerodynamics. The whole lot is gonna come. And I understand that's probably gonna be at spa. So um it's a matter of he said, we know that this season's not gonna happen for us, so we're gonna write this season off. No short-term solutions, it's a long-term project, which is maybe why Fernando's thinking he wants to stick around for a couple more years, but there is a big upgrade coming in spa, and he said, we're just gonna we're just gonna take take the medicine now and see what happens in the second half of the season. Uh, quick mention of Williams, not a great day out for Carlos Sainz, got banged around in Lap one, and then eventually uh well was banged around and was the final DNF of the race on Sunday. Uh I'm sure he would have left the the circuit thinking uh his luck needs to start changing. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, and you know, he's had a he's had a tough run. He got hit by Nico Hulkenberg at the hairpin. Uh now, what I can't get out of that situation, Hulkenberg got a penalty for hitting Carlos Sainz at the hairpin, but he was on full lock. He there's nothing he could actually do about it, and yet Colopinto up at the next corner got away with it for sending it up the inside before the tunnel and and and hit and hit poor Carlos again. So yeah, I mean Sainz was in the wars in that lap twice in two corners, and it's just one to walk away from, I think, and focus on his home Grand Prix in a few days' time. Yeah, when he got turned around before the tunnel, did you see how close the medical car was to hitting him when it came round the blind, uh the blind corner? Maybe Ferrari should be looking at AMG Mercedes SLS AMG brakes. I don't know, because they were good, they were good stoppers on the medical car or the safety car, whatever it was behind. Certainly were.

Barcelona Preview And Farewell

Rick Houghton 29:01

He must have got the shock of his life. Right, uh, we move on to Barcelona next. I I have to say, Barcelona, I think, is my least favourite circuit of the season. And I say this, Monaco's processional at the best of times. We had a great weekend in Monaco because of all of the drama that was going on, which made it really, really special. But normally Monaco is the one that I get excited about, and then when the race is actually on, I'm like, it's boring. Uh, but Barcelona for me has never been an exciting race. I don't know why. I don't I know the drivers love it because they tested there so much, but I don't like the circuit, and I don't think we get good races at Barcelona. No, Barcelona has it, it's it's it's called that for a reason. It's uh yeah, I mean the drivers like it for the very reason that it makes it a boring race, is because they do so much testing there, is that there's very little room for the the the the error margin is not really there for surprises and mistakes. They know every ounce and every millimeter of the track, so therefore it leads to a it tends to be a fairly predictable track. And from it's a pretty safe track, lots of runoff, and you can get away with a lot there. So unfortunately, although the hype was built up from Monaco and it delivered, I think we've got to take a dose of reality that this is not gonna be uh a seat of the pants uh sitting on the edge of your couch kind of Grand Prix this weekend. We're just gonna have to see who uh who's got the numbers right from the last time they tested there and see if that works. Active Aero is back. It was uh they got rid of it for Monaco, and we'll have I would imagine this coming weekend the Active Aero will return and we'll have uh we'll have recharging issues with most of the teams at some point during the weekend. Uh either too much power when they don't want it or not enough power when they need it. Um that will come back again, so it could give us some interesting results. And you can overtake a Barcelona, but on only on a few corners. And I just think uh uh not for me really. But anyway, it's happening this weekend, and we'll be back on Two Soft Compounds uh next week, early next week, to talk about uh what happens in Barcelona. Damo, thanks so much for joining me again today. Thank you, man. I'm looking forward to it next weekend. Okie doke, uh, take care of yourselves, tell your friends, tell your family, tell your colleagues that 2 Soft Compounds is here. If they're into the Formula One, tell them to sign up, subscribe, and give us a listen. For now though, from me and Damo, it's goodbye for now. Two Soft Compounds was presented by myself recording alongside Damien Reed. The executive producer was Ian Colourless. Don't forget, if you want to join in the conversation, leave a comment on our Instagram page at 2Soft Compounds. And if you haven't done so already, please do click that follow or subscribe button. See you next time.