Ramageddon Meets Video Encoding Reality | When Video Becomes The New Data Center Fuel

“Ramageddon” is what happens when memory pricing goes vertical and suddenly your infrastructure plans no longer pencil out.

In this episode of Voices of Video, we talk with Dell Technologies about why video infrastructure is being rebuilt around power limits, cooling realities, and purpose-built silicon like NETINT VPUs.

As video becomes the dominant data type and the foundation for AI workloads, the constraints are no longer theoretical. Power, density, and supply chain volatility are now first-order design inputs.

We dig into what it actually takes to deploy and manage video systems at a global scale without losing control of cost, security, or uptime.

• Dell’s current focus across AI and video workloads
• Why density and energy efficiency now drive infrastructure decisions
• GPUs versus VPUs and the case for purpose-built video acceleration
• Data center power and cooling options, including air and liquid cooling
• “Ramageddon” and broader component shortages affecting buyers
• How Dell uses supply chain scale and configurability to deliver systems
• Managing large fleets with deployment services, support, and automation
• Firmware updates as a pathway to real encoder improvements over time
• Supply chain security and root of trust at massive scale
• Edge computing growth across far edge, near edge, and metro

If you are building, scaling, or rethinking video infrastructure, this is a grounded, operator-level discussion of where things are actually headed.

Learn more about NETINT Technologies and purpose-built video processing, or explore enterprise infrastructure from Dell Technologies.

Stay tuned for more in-depth insights on video technology, trends, and practical applications. Subscribe to Voices of Video: Inside the Tech for exclusive, hands-on knowledge from the experts. For more resources, visit Voices of Video.

Transcript

Mark Donnigan 0:07

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Mark Donnigan 0:17

Well, welcome back to another exciting edition of Voices of Video. So I am joined today by a company that we all know and love, use their products, have probably spent a whole lot of money with, and that is Dell. So I want to welcome uh Colin and Corbin for joining Voices of Video. Thank you for uh joining us, guys. It's great to have you.

Colin Durocher 0:43

Thanks for having us, Mark. Great to be here.

Mark Donnigan 0:46

Yeah, well, we're real excited uh about the partnership that NetInt and Dell has begun. Uh, I think it's I I was actually looking for some notes from our last meeting, and I ran into an email thread going back to 2020. So you've been chasing us for a while and we're finally able to start working together. Really excited about that. You know, Colin, I know that uh, you know, obviously Dell sells to you know an incredibly wide range of industries and markets, but video is big for Dell, right?

Colin Durocher 1:21

Yeah, video is huge. Um, I mean, most of my experience is in the the safety and security space, but um I mean video just consumes so much data, and then with the rise of AI today, um there's a lot of processing being thrown at it to automate various processes, modify the videos, reduce them in size in some cases, things like that.

Mark Donnigan 1:41

That's right.

Colin Durocher 1:41

And so it's it's really a very big business for uh Dell.

Mark Donnigan 1:45

Sure it is, you know, and as I as I referenced, we started our conversations, you know, going back now nearly six years ago. And obviously Dell was always on a short list of partners, but you know, a lot of it just came down to um routinely the largest broadcasters, the largest streamers, you know, the largest video platforms, social networks were saying, hey, you know, um, we need you to be working with Dell, or we're going to install your VPUs, you know, in Dell servers. So, you know, we see it everywhere, every data center that we visit. So Dell needs no introduction in terms of who the company is, but I think it would be helpful to start our conversation with, you know, what is Dell focused on today? You know, where's your product roadmap? How does that fit into somebody who's implementing VPUs? And you know, just give an overview because maybe not everybody is familiar, or maybe they know Dell from five or six or seven or even 10 years ago. So, where is Dell today in terms of your products, your product focus, and especially in the video market, if you can be that specific?

Colin Durocher 2:58

Sure. So I I can start. I think the simple answer is that Dell is everywhere, right? So we've got we've really got a huge portfolio. I'd say that a major focus for the company right now is artificial intelligence. That's that's a big part of you know where we're seeing the growth, but video as well, right? So as you referenced, 80% of the traffic on the internet is video. And so obviously that's also a focus for us.

Corbin Moore 3:22

Yeah, I'd say I think the trajectory of our relationship, timeliness is the word that comes to mind, right? And so when we started working together six years ago, I don't know that the enterprise quality that Dell provides was what the market was looking for. But as AI, to Colin's point, has risen and video is the new data on which we're training models, that's exactly what people are looking for. And our our portfolio, I mean, not to you know, not to pat myself on the back a little bit, but we're number one in the world across servers, storage, networking, our relationships with Intel and NVIDIA. We're their largest single vendor. And so we we have optimized solutions ideal for this space, but the core of Dell around our supply chain and our configurability allows us to consistently build solutions tailored to the video space and then support and deploy those in a global fashion. And that's what we're continuing to do and to innovate, knowing that this market is continuing to expand at multiples of the traditional IT growth space. Yeah.

Purpose-Built Silicon And Efficiency

Mark Donnigan 4:34

Yeah, there's um certainly, certainly no doubt that, you know, there's a really interesting trend. And uh I I think you know, you did hit on something because I'm I'm reflecting on you know some of those early conversations where we were talking about even machine configurations, you know, server configurations. And, you know, the the world just looked different in the data center five years ago. It's not that accelerators weren't weren't used in the data center, but they were far less common. Uh and uh, you know, everything was more around traditional compute architectures, right? And now there is so much dedicated silicon and proprietary silicon, whether it's for video like VPU, whether it's for AI. Obviously, GPU is you know the overwhelming topology that's in use, but there's even a lot of dedicated, you know, TPUs and you know, there's there's there's things that are that are coming too. I'm just curious if if you have a comment on that, because you're there, right? You're getting these requests from customers for perhaps server configurations that have you know a different mix from, say, what you would have brought to market five years ago.

Corbin Moore 5:47

So let me jump in there real quick. And I I know Colin's got a couple comments here. Um I think it's really interesting how the GPU market has done so well over the course of the past couple of years, but it's not purpose built for the models. It just happens to be good at it versus the VPU is optimized. And so the constraining factors that we're seeing now around power and cooling, ability to deploy at scale inside, and including out to the edge, and in a footprint that consumes power in a manner that we can manage. Having a relationship here with the VPU that's optimized for this, we can do more in a smaller footprint, I think is really timely. And it speaks to the relationship that we forged in our continuous efforts to provide a solution that is right for the both of us. I you know, Colin, what would you add to that?

Colin Durocher 6:43

I was gonna say much the same thing. I mean, across all kinds of types of computing today, one of the main challenges the customers are facing is one of density and efficiency because companies have run out of data center space. Computers are a bigger part of pretty much every company's value chain in terms of producing the value that they sell. And they're running out of data center space. And so great, you build more space and then you realize I've also run out of power. I need to connect that data center to power. And so doing things more efficiently, more densely, and then being able to manage that infrastructure because we're not, you know, we're not necessarily hiring new teams to manage all of that infrastructure. We're trying to do more with less, right? So management at scale is also kind of a big part of the game today.

Power And Cooling Innovations

Mark Donnigan 7:29

Yeah. You know, I'm curious, what is Dell's role in this whole power issue and this whole race to higher densities? You know, what is Dell's role there? Because it strikes me that we talk about the the power shortage, you know, and how power is like the new gold. You know, energy is really, you know, it's the it's it's the new gold. It's so precious. Um, and yet um, you know, Dell's building servers, right? And those servers consume energy. So, you know, are you then looking at your new generation, next generation products at making them even that much more power efficient? Are you sort of just beholden to, you know, the chip ultimately the processor, the chip vendors, you know, Nvidia, you know, NetInt, you know, Intel, AMD, et cetera. Or, you know, what's your role there is really my question in this challenge, you know, of power and density?

Corbin Moore 8:27

Super timely question. And this is a tremendous area of focus and development and technological growth within Dell and within an ecosystem of partners that we work with closely. So you'll see significant releases on Dell IP for power and cooling. So we feel like air is still right for most people, but the workloads, the TDP thresholds for processors and higher-end chips and applications are growing. And so we need a variety of rear door heat exchange, improved high-efficiency fans, including direct-to-chip liquid cooling, and more niche offerings for that based on individual compute environments, right? Um, again, because we are so large, we have to have a flexible consumption model that allows for customization in there. So, Mark, super interesting point because that is a uh in every conversation, including on uh data centers and construction, uh, you know, made the State of the Union address in terms of how are we gonna drive efficiency here so we don't put ourselves into a deficit from a perspective of generation. Colin, what would you add?

Colin Durocher 9:33

I would add that another focus is just you know careful design. And this is, I think, always been a focus for Dell, but careful design of the server, of the equipment to really optimize for those thermals, right? Because that is being able to fit that much processing power into a one RU chassis or a two RU chassis, depending on the case, it's not easy, right? There's uh there's a lot of engineering that goes into that. And I think that's not a new focus for Dell, but it's uh it's certainly a continued focus and something that we're we're proud to be very good at.

Memory Shortages And Supply Chain

Mark Donnigan 10:02

Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, you know, this is a focus for us as well. And obviously, one of the massive advantages of an ASIC is extremely low power consumption and a whole lot of compute for so like watts per stream, uh, or actually it's fractions of watts per stream is a big deal. We I was just on a on a call with you know a very large platform a couple days ago, and um, our power envelope for the T1U, you know, is is around 17 watts. The add-in card version, it's a single chip product, is like 20 watts. And that's for you know, 32, 1080p, AV1, you know, encodes at very, very high quality or H E V C or H264. So a range of codecs. And this customer said, okay, that's great, but what can you do for 10 watts? You know, and it's just incredible because when you compare that throughput to software running on a commodity CPU, running in a typical, you know, just a typical data center, like 20 watts is like, what are you talking about? That's like, that's like a uh really a 20x, depending on the codec, it could even be a 40x up to a hundred X improvement in energy consumption, you know, and yet this customer is already wanting to say, okay, but what can you do for 10 watts? You know, now the good news is we have an answer, we had an answer, and you know, and they were very pleased by that. But yeah, this this energy, you know, we're we're seeing it in evaluations, you know. It's like, yes, people still care about cost, but you know what? The very first thing they're looking at is power consumption. What does that power curve look like? You know, it's it's it's really remarkable. Well, we would be remiss to not talk about the elephant in the room called DDR or Ramageddon. Um, you know, it's absolutely amazing what's happened with the memory shortage. And uh Dell has, you know, has really managed this extremely well. And so I would like for you to share um, you know, what your supply chain advantage brings to the market. And as much as you're able, you know, how are you managing the incredible volatility of memory pricing? And, you know, what are you doing around?

Corbin Moore 12:28

It's a it's a really interesting time. And we've we've been through a few inflection points like this, long time listeners of this program. I'm sure Mark will remember, you know, flooding in Thailand that created a shortage in drives. It's these these were tough, right? The COVID supply chain challenges with the slowdown in manufacturing and an explosion of demand for uh remote work created some challenges. At our heart, we're still a supply chain company. All right, and Dell has focused on supply chain from Michael's early beginnings. He didn't invent the PC, but he came up with a much better way to source, build, ship, support. And that is still part of our DNA. And so we, through our you know, sort of supply chain skills, have been able to work with the commodity vendors because, again, we're the largest single vendor in the world, right? We just are. And so we command greater attention and share from them than other people. And that in this day and age, cost increases are a fact of life and they can present some challenges, but the bigger picture is that we will deliver, right? And that choosing Dell is the safest model to actually take your product to market and ensure that they get there in a timely fashion without cutting corners, maintaining SOC compliance, root of trust, and the supply chain security that you would expect from a tier one vendor like Dell.

Mark Donnigan 13:48

So, Corbin, is it really just as simple? And you know, this is me simplifying, but is it really just as simple as Dell's the number one customer of Micron and you know, all the various memory vendors that that that matter? And so Dell can kind of come in and say, Hey, I get it, your costs are you know, four Xing, six Xing, seven Xing, whatever, you know, I hear these insane, you know, increases. We're not gonna pay that. Here's what we're gonna pay, you know. Again, this is these days, but is it really that simple, or is there even something else?

Corbin Moore 14:27

I don't want to oversimplify it. I would say that we're like a duck, right? Above the water, and what you can see publicly, it's all calm and cool, and uh the colors are amazing. But underneath there's an incredible focus and effort on this. And we we have made a series of efforts and plans to ensure that we are going to be able to take care of our customers plus some additional expanded growth because we believe that this market is going to stay tight for the at least a short and medium term, right? One to two years out. We believe it's going to be a tight market, and so we've established that the horizon.

Mark Donnigan 15:01

So you said one to two years. So I feel I think that's kind of what Dell sees is that we're going to be in this situation for you know 12 to 24 months.

Corbin Moore 15:12

I that everything I see on a personal basis says that this is not a short-term thing. This is not a bubble. Now, hey, it could be there, this could be a bubble. And of course, that'd be wonderful. We would all cheer. You know, we'd all be incredibly happy. Our significant positions to ensure we have availability of components from our key vendors is based on what we consider to be a tight market for the foreseeable future. If that changes, we'll pivot quickly, but we're probably going to be in a less advantageous position if that occurs.

Colin Durocher 15:43

I would add that there's, I mean, there's a lot of analysts that have opined on this as well. And I think the one to two year horizon kind of aligns with what uh a lot of industry players are uh are are predicting. And Mark, one uh one other thing I wanted to mention is that it's not just about RAM, right? There are industry shortages in certain types of CPUs. There's a 200 exabyte shortage in hard disk drives. Everybody's watching um the stock prices of of you know certain flash vendors, right? Because they're having massive shortages as well. And uh, and as a as a result, they're um they're they're able to be more profitable. So it's a multifaceted issue that's happening right now, and Dell is really well positioned to take care of their customers uh through that through that challenging time.

Mark Donnigan 16:30

Yeah, and and I just want to make this comment again for you know listeners of voices of video who are buying servers or trying to buy servers and have been incredibly frustrated with even just the difficulty of getting pricing, you know, much less the price you get back. You know, it's it's it's frustrating when the price is three X higher than you paid six, seven months ago or even three months ago. We experience that too. And one of the things that, you know, we're so pleased, you know, working with Dell is, you know, we're able to get quotes, you know. Yeah, you know, there's some, you know, it's not quite as, you know, the the the quote doesn't last quite as long as it did, you know, previously, et cetera. But yeah, we can get quotes, you know, you uh honor that quote for a long enough period of time that you know we're able to to then um yeah you know just run it through the business process of even making the purchase, you know, and that's not true of all vendors. So if anybody's listening to this and you're sort of going, yeah, I'm in living that right now, I can't even get quotes. Or by the time I get the quote, I get it through my business process, the quotes changed. That's really hard to buy in that environment.

Corbin Moore 17:46

Mark, if I could just one thing directly on that, uh, I would encourage all of your listeners and viewers to go look at the stock performance over the past six months for Micron and SK Heinex and Sandisk and look at the stock price performance on that. I won't know, I have no spoilers, and then go look at the stock price performance over the past six months of my competitors like HP Enterprise or Supermicro or Dell, and you'll see who is reaping the benefit of this market dynamic. Newslash, it's not us, right?

VPUs Hit An Industry Inflection

Managing Massive Server Fleets

Mark Donnigan 18:17

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, let's talk about, you know, the VPU has uh has really reached an inflection point, you know, about the beginning of last year. The market finally tipped, where, you know, the old paradigm of of encoding using software on commodity CPUs. And when I say commodity CPUs, I just mean I'm not talking about like, you know, COTS hardware. I'm talking more about x86, you know, or even ARM-based, but largely x86. The market tipped where people went, huh, this is not sustainable. You know, it's not sustainable from an energy use perspective, it's not sustainable from a cost perspective. You know, there's a whole lot of limits. And and just the sheer volume of video was just overwhelming. It just did not make sense to do it on CPU. So good news for RenetInt is that has moved largely to the VPU, not fully to the VPU. There's still applications where the GPU, those GPUs that still have a video IP core, which are becoming fewer and fewer. And uh there's a few other chip architectures, but largely the VPU, you know, it it tipped. So that's great. Now the challenge that brings is that these are incredibly high-scale operations. So, you know, it's it's well known that, you know, there's there's one platform out there in the world that, you know, the the the rumors are and the public disclosures are they could have as many as 80,000 servers, you know, processing video or doing some sort of function to deliver, you know, deliver video. That is hard to manage. And so I would like you to talk about, you know, Colin, maybe you can, you know, give some insights and and share what Dell is doing and you know, Corbin, jump in too. You know, how does Dell manage these large fleets? Because you're the largest OEM, you know, for data center hardware. So you must have a solution. How do you do it?

Colin Durocher 20:23

Yeah, I mean, there's uh there's many aspects to the answer, right? I mean, starting from global, global professional services organization, you know, we take care of the deployment. So time to value for these customers is very, very important. So being able to get the hardware and then have it deployed by Dell in a professional manner according to all the best practices, um, and and doing that wherever they need it done, right? They might have installations here in the US, they might have installations elsewhere in the world. Being able to follow that same process wherever they are is a is a key thing.

Mark Donnigan 20:56

And these are sort of like remote hands type type situation where I don't have to have someone who works for my company out in a data center in Frankfurt because Dell already has a team deployed. Is that what you're talking about?

Colin Durocher 21:11

That's exactly right.

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Yeah.

Colin Durocher 21:13

And then taking that to the support experience, being able to deliver a consistent support experience across most regions of the world. You know, there are certain regions where there's the offerings are there are fewer offerings, but in all of the major markets, you know, we're able to offer, if you want it, four-hour response time. So if a hard drive fails, you know, we have those hard drives nearby, we can replace them very, very quickly. And then there's um there's the question of management tools. So when you have 80,000 servers, how many people do you have managing that fleet of 80,000 servers? It's probably not you know 80,000 people. So you need the right tools to be able to, for instance, perform the firmware updates across the entire fleet, do that efficiently. Um and and firmware updates. I mean, it sounds simple, but they're super important and they happen pretty frequently because security forces us to stay up to date on those things, right? Yeah.

Mark Donnigan 22:08

Let me let me let yeah. Sorry, I I don't, but it's it's an important point that I want to jump on with what you just said about managing firmware updates. So another thing that the market that we had to educate the market on is that unlike really every other ASIC that came before for video, that was truly fixed function. You know, it did what it did when it came out of the fab, and it could basically never do anything more. One of the major advantages is that through firmware, we actually can make major upgrades to the rate control mechanism, to many, many core aspects of how that video encoder works. Now that's a really big benefit because it means, like in the case of our current generation, we actually improve the HEVC performance, meaning the efficiency. Like from when it first shipped to now, I think we're now coming up on almost 20% improvement in bitrate efficiency, which is huge. It's actually, and it's for hardware, it's unheard of. But what it means is you have to update the firmware on maybe certainly hundreds, thousands, even tens of thousands. You know, we have customers with tens and tens and tens of thousands of these deployed. That is not a trivial task, you know, to do that and do it in a working system that's in production, you know. So I I I also, you know, just want to highlight that that, you know, this whole thing, anybody who's listening who's in operations already knows this. But if if someone's not in operations, I don't think anybody would think firmware updates is not trivial. But, you know, this is a big deal and it's really critical because these are enhancements that can improve the quality of the video service.

Firmware Updates And Security Risks

Colin Durocher 24:02

Yeah, and I I think you know, one other aspect that we could talk about is supply chain security, right? Which you might think that's unrelated. But if you're buying, if you're installing, deploying 80,000 servers, and if there's a 0.1% chance that that one of those servers that you're deploying is compromised, right, it only takes it only takes one to provide an entryway into your your entire um your entire deployment. So um having able to have that trust that the supply chain that you're using is secure, and Dell ensures that security all through not only our facilities, but also our partner facilities, our supplier facilities, to make sure that we um we don't let that happen. So um I think that's an important point to raise as well.

Corbin Moore 24:49

I I'd be remiss if we didn't touch briefly on the Dell automation platform and our native edge solution. So building upon Colin's comments there, it is a you know, sort of ability to deploy, including to dark sites, and activate solutions that are automatically authenticated, including down to the build and the component. And then it's a whitelisted level of applications and virtual machines that are pushed out there, including Proactive, patch management, firmware updates, BIOS revisions, all through a single pane of glass for you know a one-to-many solution. So we talk about some of the server architecture and how we have BMC and iDrack ability for remote management and full console redirect, but to do that across scale, that that really is unlocked through our Dell automation platform and our native edge solutions.

Automation Platform And Edge Deployments

Mark Donnigan 25:38

Yeah, it's great. Well, I definitely wanted to give you a chance to talk about that because you know that is critical. You know, we NetInt, we have customers of all shapes, sizes, you know, types. So, you know, not everybody is running these massive, massive fleets, but more and more that is that is what we're seeing. You know, we're seeing deployments that are just at scales and and they are truly global because these are largely global video services. So uh it fits well. It fits very well with uh with our relationship and and what we're doing. Yeah. You know, I think um a good place to kind of bring this to bring at least this conversation to a close. I'm I'm sure we'll have you back on, you know, have some more things to talk about. Uh this won't be the the only time we'll have you on voices of video. But I think it'd be really interesting just to, you know, maybe each of you just give from your respective positions in terms of what you're focused on day to day inside Dell and you know, as you're talking to the market and you know, whether it's video customers or otherwise, you know, it's just to give kind of your perspectives on where where are things headed in the data center, you know? And I'm purposefully asking the question very broad. You can kind of take that as you wish, but where are things headed in the data center? What are some trends that maybe we should be, you know, just keeping an eye on? What are things that Dell is tracking? Obviously, AI, take AI off the table, because that that's the easy one. But um, but even in the context of AI, you know, Colin, you wanna you wanna go first? Give your thoughts thinking around it.

Colin Durocher 27:24

Yeah, sure. So, you know, thinking about scale, we're certainly seeing liquid cooling, you know, like Corbyn referenced earlier, liquid cooling, and there's different ways of doing that, becoming more and more popular because of the amount of processing, not only that you want to get into a single server, but that you want to get into a rack and into a data center facility. It starts to require it at that scale. In the world that that I largely work in around safety and security cameras, camera streams, we're seeing that as we move up the ladder in terms of scale, there's a lot more use of technologies like centralized storage. Um there is there becomes a need to leverage technologies like the VPU to be able to do things more efficiently, right? To be able to manage it more efficiently, to be able to process more streams in a single box, um, and and maybe reduce that videos and size to be able to store it more efficiently and at less cost. So these are things that I'm seeing, and I'm sure Corbin has uh has a wider view.

Corbin Moore 28:26

Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think the data center is an interesting concept because the video is becoming the new data source, right? And as we capture video from new sources and new applications and what we do with it and how we train models, right? And I don't think the large language model training craze goes on forever. I think it diffuses itself and models get better and they're tuned based on the video data. And that starts to move out of the data center. And I think we start to see deployments, including to the far edge, of course, and the camera is part of the far edge, but there's the far edge, the near edge, the metro. And I think we start to see that the models become tuned small language models, and we take those models too closer to the data and the source of the data and the decision making that can be done there, including perhaps and up to including autonomous decision making, right? And you can see this very easily in Central Texas, right, with the Waymo self-driving cars. And I think autonomous delivery vehicles are not too far behind that. And it's all predicated on the explosion of data and the models and decisions that are driven from that. So I see continued growth in our data center footprint and the models and the refinements that are going to go from there, but I see additional deployments outside of the traditional data center footprint that'll only uh grow as well. Yeah, yeah.

Data Center Trends Beyond AI

Mark Donnigan 29:48

Yeah, it's uh interesting. It really resonates with me, this um push um of compute to the edge. And um I I like how you know we uh we we've been talking about the edge for years, right? I mean, literally for like 15 years, I think, you know, um, you know, the edge as if it's you know, it's it's a place. But you know, there's the, you know, like you said, there's the uh I think you said the the far edge or I don't remember what you call it, but in the camera, and then you know, you sort of back up. But the but the whole thing, and this is certainly what we're seeing at at NetEnt, you know, in terms of of the way video platforms are being architected, is that um, first of all, you know, with very, very, very efficient silicon, now it's actually possible, you know, to truly deliver a one-on-one customized video stream for each viewer. You know, previously it just wasn't economically. You couldn't get enough power, you just couldn't get enough machines. Now you can do that. And then as soon as you start moving all of this, you know, this dedicated, this purpose-built compute or this ultra-efficient compute at the edge, wow, suddenly it just opens up a an explosion of like uh of applications that previously just weren't possible, you know. And so it's and yet the machines are gonna be, you know, they're gonna be different form factors, they're gonna be, you know, the architectures are gonna look different, but it's just a super exciting time to be in compute, you know. I'm and and you guys are even, you know, you're you're at ground zero literally working for Dell, but you know, we we have a view, you know, as NetInt. And uh wow, it's I don't know, it's it's it's really an exciting time to be doing what we're doing, and uh, we're happy to be partnered with Dell on the journey. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, good. Well, guys, uh uh Colin Corbin, wonderful conversation. Thank you for joining us, and I do look forward to doing more of these. And in the meantime, everybody knows how to find Dell, you know, and obviously, in terms of the quadra video servers, if anybody's interested in uh in looking at what we're doing with Dell, then you know, you know how to find us as well. So thank you for listening to this uh yet again an exciting episode of Voices of Video. We hope you found it interesting, instructive, insightful. And if you're interested in coming on the show or you feel that you know somebody, if you do know somebody who has something interesting to say, something they're working on, something they're doing in the area of video, doesn't have to be only, you know, net centric. It could it could be in a lot of different areas of video. I am extremely interested to get practitioners on, showcase what you're doing, and let's see if we can keep innovating. All right.

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