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17 - Escape the Clinic with a Physician Assistant, Businesswoman, Podcast Host, and Trailblazer for Life Beyond the Office | Katie Bean, PA-C

• Ashley Love • Season 1 • Episode 17

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So much more at Escape the Clinic Masterclass with Katie Bean, PA-C

And please listen to her podcast: Escape the Clinic 

What happens when the career you've worked so hard for starts taking more than it gives? Katie Bean, a physician assistant with years of experience in emergency medicine, found herself dreading her shifts, missing precious family moments, and wondering if this was all there was to her medical career. Her story challenges us to consider alternative paths within healthcare that honor both our passion for medicine and our need for fulfillment.

This raw, honest conversation explores Katie's journey from correctional medicine to emergency departments, through burnout, personal tragedy, and ultimately to entrepreneurship. After losing her sister—a recent PA graduate—in a car accident, Katie faced a profound realization: life is too short to spend decades doing work that leaves you feeling empty. Instead of continuing to fight against burnout, she created Escape the Clinic, a platform that helps healthcare professionals build businesses aligned with their passions while creating financial freedom and reclaiming their time.

Katie delivers powerful insights about recognizing burnout (it's not if but when for most clinicians), the importance of knowing yourself, and how your medical expertise can translate into opportunities beyond traditional practice. She emphasizes that her journey doesn't diminish the value of the PA profession—in fact, it's precisely her medical background that enabled her entrepreneurial success. For pre-health students, her message is encouraging: pursue medicine if it calls to you, but know that your degree opens doors beyond the clinic walls.

Whether you're experiencing burnout, curious about alternative career paths, or simply want to understand the evolving landscape of healthcare careers, this episode offers both practical guidance and permission to reimagine success on your own terms. After all, as Katie reminds us, "There is something so special about creating something from nothing"—whether that's healing a patient or building a business that helps other healers thrive.

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Ashley:

Hello and welcome to Shadow Me Next, a podcast where I take you into and behind the scenes of the medical world to provide you with a deeper understanding of the human side of medicine. I'm Ashley, a physician assistant, medical editor, clinical preceptor and the creator of Shadow Me Next. It is my pleasure to introduce you to incredible members of the healthcare field and uncover their unique stories, the joys and challenges they face and what drives them in their careers. It's access you want and stories you need, whether you're a pre-health student or simply curious about the healthcare field. I invite you to join me as we take a conversational and personal look into the lives and minds of leaders in medicine. I don't want you to miss a single one of these conversations, so make sure that you subscribe to this podcast, which will automatically notify you when new episodes are dropped, and follow us on Instagram and Facebook at Shadow Me Next, where we will review highlights from this conversation and where I'll give you sneak previews of our upcoming guests.

Ashley:

Welcome to Shadow Me Next. Today, I have the pleasure of introducing you to Katie Bean, a physician assistant with a doctor of medical science degree from Lincoln Memorial University. She has clinical experience in corrections and emergency medicine and is also a dedicated PA mentor. She co-founded the Pre-PA Clinic in order to guide aspiring PAs through their application process, helping them develop confidence and refine the skills they needed to enter PA school. But Katie's story extends beyond PA mentorship and traditional clinical practice. After years in emergency medicine, she faced burnout, waking up, dreading her shifts, missing precious moments with her family and realizing the career she once loved, no longer aligned with the life that she wanted. Rather than resigning herself to exhaustion, she took a bold step into entrepreneurship and created Escape the Clinic, a platform empowering healthcare professionals to build businesses that align with their passions, create financial freedom for themselves and reclaim their precious time.

Ashley:

In this episode, katie shares her journey from burnout to purpose. We explore the realities of medicine beyond patient care, the importance of knowing yourself in order to prevent burnout. Explore the realities of medicine beyond patient care, the importance of knowing yourself in order to prevent burnout and the many ways clinicians can pivot without abandoning their profession. If you're a pre-health student questioning your path, a healthcare professional feeling stuck, or a person simply curious about what other opportunities await PAs a person simply curious about what other opportunities await PAs this episode is for you. Katie's story is not just about change. It's about taking control of your future, finding joy in your work and knowing that you are never limited to just one path in life.

Ashley:

Please keep in mind that the content of this podcast is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be considered as professional medical advice. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and guests and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer or company. This is Shadow Me Next with Katie Bean. Hey, katie, thank you so much for joining me at shadow me next. I have been looking forward to this conversation since you and I first met online.

Katie:

Oh, I can't wait and, ashley, thank you so much for having me. I love your podcast. I love everything that you're doing. It's so valuable, so thank you for having me here. It's an honor an honor.

Ashley:

Thanks, katie. It's been a lot of fun, and mainly it's been fun because I get to talk to incredible people like you clinicians and people who have just really taken the skills that they have innately and also the skills that they've learned throughout all this schooling, and have used them in just incredible, incredible ways, and I think one of the ways that you're using your skills is super unique and something that a lot of people are going to be really interested to hear about. So let's start first. I was going to actually start with you going to PA school, but let's start first with what you're doing right now, because that is what everybody's here to hear about, and I'd love just a little teaser on that before we really dive into it later.

Katie:

Yeah, sure, so I am a PA by trade and I also went back and got my doctor of medical science degree and we will probably dive into this a little bit later but about seven years after being a PA, I had a lot of burnout and then COVID happened and a few other life circumstances that completely changed my life and from that I started a online business that blew my world open and it changed my life so much that I have a second business now, also online, where I teach providers how to start and grow their own online business with what they already know, basically packaging up what they already love and do and putting it out into the world so they can have their own online business. That gives them freedom and time to create their own schedule, to step back from clinic or leave clinic completely, if they wanted to just to give them an option of making more money and having more freedom.

Ashley:

Part of the reason why I started shadow me next is because we all have these dreams, and part of our dream is also this element of fear Like what if I make? What if I have made the wrong decision, what if I'm making the wrong decision? And the part, the point of Shadami next, is try to help students realize there there are more elements of medicine other than just being a PA, other than just being a nurse, other than just being a physician. And that's step one. But I think what you do, you are offering this step two right. What if, ultimately, this isn't working for me in this period of my life? And I've worked so hard, what do I do now? And you have given people such a peace with that, with that fear, I think, and and it's going to be fantastic I cannot wait to hear about it. But let's back up and start at the beginning Now. Tell me about what initially drew you into medicine. Why did you want to be a PA in the first place?

Katie:

Yeah, and before I share that, let me hit on something you just said. I would love to piggyback on that.

Katie:

You know, in our culture, in our society we are. You know, we are taught that we need to choose a career at the age of 18 or 20 or whatever, and that should be what we do for all of our days, the rest of our life, until we retire, which is 50 or whatever years, and it doesn't take into account that, oh, your circumstances change, maybe your interests and your passions change, and so I think it's such a disservice in our society to think that, you know, we should do the same thing and not be able to ever pivot. Now, as a PA, we are so well placed to be able to have lateral mobility and flexibility, which is amazing, because if you do want to change, you can do that as a PA, which is one of the reasons I love our career. But I also want your listeners to know that you do not have to be pigeonholed, even though we are told from day one to choose a major, choose a career for all of time, that you can pivot and change. And then to get back to your question what drew me to medicine?

Katie:

I really wanted to have a rewarding career where I helped others. I am faith-based and God has always pulled me to the health and medicine arena. I adore medicine. I love anatomy and physiology. I think our bodies are absolutely fascinating, how we heal and how we don't heal, all of the things. I think it's super special and, just you know, it's just all provoking, honestly. And so I went into medicine because I truly love medicine, I love patients, I wanted a rewarding career and I also wanted a career that would allow me to travel. I am super passionate about traveling. I've been all over the world and I love doing mission work. I've done medical missions in Cambodia and Morocco and China and all over the place, and I really love the PA profession for the flexibility and for medicine.

Ashley:

Finding a career where you can take all of the passions that you've created in your life and kind of fit it into one thing that also helps people. It's incredible. I'm so glad to hear that, katie, looking back, because you mentioned burnout earlier and I think burnout is such an interesting thing to talk about, because burnout looks different for different people, right? So I'm interested to hear about when did you first realize perhaps this feeling that I'm feeling is not normal? Perhaps this is actually what burnout is, what everybody's talking about.

Ashley:

Before we hear how Katie recognized burnout in her own career, I'd like to talk about a segment on our show called Quality Questions. This is where I highlight a thought-provoking question that a medical professional has received in the past that challenges us to reflect more deeply on our careers, on patient care or on personal growth. While Katie and I didn't discuss a quality question during our conversation, she reminded me of one that I was asked in an interview as a practicing PA how do you recognize signs of burnout in yourself? It's such an important question because burnout can creep in gradually and recognizing it early is key to making meaningful changes. So if you're a student or a new grad, or even a seasoned clinician. Take a moment to ask yourself what are my early warning signs of burnout and how will I respond when I notice them? Keep in mind that there's more interview prep, such as mock interviews and personal statement review, over on shadowmenextcom. There, you'll find amazing resources to help you as you prepare to answer your own quality questions.

Katie:

Yeah. So I started out actually as a PA for 14, 15 years ago and when I first started out I worked in correctional medicine, so I worked at a prison system, which was absolutely amazing. It was an incredible mission field. I saw just really neat medicine that you typically don't get to see in the general population, which was really cool. After about a year, year and a half of that, I switched over to emergency medicine, where I spent the bulk of my career, and emergency medicine was initially really fun. It was exciting, it was different.

Katie:

But then there was a lot of changes that occurred around my like six, seven year mark, administratively wise. That made medicine not fun anymore, meaning like patient times, patient satisfactions. Instead of it being truly about the patient. It was more like a cattle drive let's get them in and out, you know inpatient or discharged, whatever it was and it wasn't fun anymore. It became like not fun at all and that that burden, the time constraints, the push them in and out.

Katie:

That was like the initial start of my burnout and what that looked like was I was tired. When I woke up in the morning I dreaded going into work. I wasn't excited anymore, and that is not me. I am usually a very go-getter, so excited I live life to the fullest, especially now that I have my own online business and that my life isn't dictated by medicine and a medical schedule, clinic schedule. But it started out as waking up and not being super excited to go into my day. It started with dreading the workday, dreading what I was going into that day. Pulling up, I remember at the worst I would cry going into work, wanting to be with my kids. I wanted to be with my family, and things also changed.

Katie:

When I first started out I didn't have a family, and then I had a family, and in the emergency department it's shift work and so it's long hours, typically 12-hour shifts. Typically you've got days and nights and I started missing everything, and one of my biggest regrets in life is that I missed so much of my kids' life. I missed everything. I missed recitals and holidays and practices, the simple joy of picking your kids up from school or surprising them on their lunch break, and so that's when I really knew that there was a disconnect is like hey, something's not right here. Medicine has changed too much and instead of like this amazing work-life balance that I was promised, it was kind of a wake-up call.

Katie:

Now, that being said, a lot of that was my own doing. A lot of that was because I didn't know any other way. I loved emergency medicine oh my gosh, do I need to change to family medicine and deal with diabetes and hypertension all day long? And so it was also a personal choice and I take full responsibility for that. But burnout, to answer your question, that's a long answer to answer. Burnout looked for me like not being really excited about my day and our, in my opinion, our life on earth is so short here. We're put here for a purpose, for a reason to use our gifts to help others to live at our fullest, and I don't want to dread 50 years of my life. I want to live every single second to the fullest, excited and just happy to be alive.

Ashley:

Absolutely Two points to that, katie, that I think you brought up that were really important. And the first one is I just applaud you how well you know yourself, and I think in order for us to recognize burnout, we have to also realize what really matters. Right, and maybe it takes actually writing those things down, because I think a lot of times we do feel this sense of frustration or anger about approaching our job and perhaps we're not entirely sure why we're feeling that. And a lot of people might say what do you mean? You miss picking up your kids? You wanted to wait in that god awful car line for them to come out and just tell you that they did nothing at school all day, which is what my kids always tell me and the answer is yes, that's still time spent and that is something that is meaningful and valuable to us. So I'm really glad that you mentioned that, because part of burnout, part of recognizing burnout, is knowing yourself and knowing what makes you tick and realizing that there's a disconnect with that. The second thing that you brought up was realizing that perhaps this career that you chose wasn't what was promised, and I think admirably.

Ashley:

I think a lot of us have really big dreams about changing the system of medicine right now, and that needs to happen, I think. I think there's a lot that is unfortunate about medicine systematically, about the quote quote business of medicine, which is it's driven by insurance and it's driven a lot by IT and data collection and things like that. So I think there's a lot of really admirable efforts going towards changing medicine systematically, but I think sometimes, when you are at a point where it is just not working for you and your relationship with it is broken, the way that we change medicine is by just stepping into a different role, right, and I think it's just amazing that you were able to do that and you're able to show that there are alternate ways of approaching this problem other than just sitting in it trying to fix it or perhaps looking to somebody else to fix it. Take it into your own hands, right.

Katie:

Thank you. I really appreciate that. I really that was very kind and I it's not just me like anyone can do what I've done Anybody. It is so easy. And I think that that's one of the obstacles that holds so many PAs and providers back from doing something like this is they think well, you know, how am I actually going to replace my income? How am I going to make money so that I can step back from clinic and help with this burnout? What would I even do? What is my thing? And we get so caught up in the routine of life and the day-to-day that so many of the people that I actually work with they're like Katie I don't even know what I like to do anymore if I have free time. I don't even know what I like to do anymore If I have free time. I don't even know what my passions are.

Katie:

I have no idea what my thing could be and once you overcome that and you get to the other side of that which is so easy, because it really is just about sitting with yourself, knowing yourself, knowing that there's a disconnect, and having the courage and the belief in yourself and in the potential that's available for you to take it to the next step. There is another way. If you're burned out, if you're exhausted, if you know that something needs to change but you don't know how to do it, there is a whole new world out there and it's so easy. You don't have to have any business experience. You don't have to have a huge following. It doesn't take a ton of time.

Ashley:

All of those things are misconceptions that are not true, that hold so many of my clients back, the people that I work with back, and it's just not true. That's incredible. You are right, but I think not having the guidance and not having somebody to go before you and say you can do this, believe it or not, it is possible. I think it's just. It is such a gift. What you do is such a gift, but I'm sure it didn't always feel like a super big gift. I'm sure at the beginning it was quite scary when you first had the idea for Escape the Clinic. Where did that come from? And what first steps did you take to say you know what? This is not just something that needs to be in my head, this needs to be kind of out in the world. I need to run with this. What did that look like?

Katie:

Yeah. So I think this will make the most sense if I kind of just tell you about my story really quick. So started out as a PA, worked correctional medicine, worked emergency medicine, and then also spent a large portion of my time working full time in the ER as well as full time at a PA program and so reviewing applications, doing the whole PA school admissions thing. And right before COVID hit, I was like you know, I have got to get out of the ER, I've got to get free. And it became so painful I would do anything to get out of clinic. And so I initially thought I'm going to open up a medical spa because I started dabbling in aesthetics. It was super fun. It was not the ER and I thought that that's where I was going to be happy. And I kept getting hit with all this resistance to opening up a med spa. And for those of you who are faith-based, you know that this is God saying no go the other direction.

Katie:

I kept pushing and kept pushing, ignoring that voice, and thank goodness that God said no, because right when my husband and I were like kind of really going through the finances of it, covid happened, and I don't have to tell anyone here that starting a med school at the height of the pandemic would have been devastating, and so COVID happened.

Katie:

I knew I wanted to still do something business-wise and I had all of this experience working at a PA school. So a colleague of mine who has a very similar background as I do we started coaching pre-PAs to get into PA school super competitive and our business took off Well. At the same time, there were a few kind of really life-transforming things that happened. One I was laid off from one of my positions because of starting this business.

Katie:

And then I was also furloughed from the ER, and so my identity had always been misplaced. It was my identity was as a PA, and so when you lose that, when that is like taken from you abruptly, I did not know what to do with myself and I it was so hard, just like what you said was it was scary, it was hard, it was terrifying.

Katie:

It was terrifying and I, truly like, had lost myself, who I was, to my core, because of, you know, from day one of PA school, getting into PA school, like it was PA medicine, PA patient care, medicine, medicine, medicine. And I had lost who I was. I had lost my true passions and my calling. And yes, at that point of my life, that all happened for a reason. I was called to medicine, for sure, but it's funny how God will use you in different ways and change your path. So, in any case, also at the same time I'm furloughed, I'm laid off. I've started this business. The business, fortunately, was doing great and I loved it. I was having so much fun. There's nothing better than helping somebody else's dreams come true, whether that's in my first business with pre-PAs or with Escape the Clinic, and helping providers make their first sales and then their next sales and realize, oh my gosh, look at this world that has just opened up to me. But at the same time I lost my little sister who had just graduated PA school. I actually taught her, I was her professor and she had just graduated PA school. A few months out she was in a car accident and didn't make it.

Katie:

And to say, it always hits you at the weirdest time. Sorry To say that that was devastating and tragic is an understatement. And I knew from that point you know that abruptness, that loss that I could never go back to the life that I, that I had before. I could never go back to dreading waking up every day, I um and going into work. I could never go back to to the zombie that I was as a PA, where it was all about shoving patients into these time slots, getting them in and out, and that was it. I was done and I made the decision that I was going to surrender totally to God and to quit fighting Him and to quit telling Him no, I want to do this actually.

Katie:

And so from all of that, the first business took off. And then, when I saw what that did for my life and I realized you know that there's so much pain that people are going through, so much pain that PAs are going through, nurse practitioners, providers in general are going through feeling like they're stuck, that they can't be with their kids, they can't be present, they can't stay home with them, they can't leave because they have no other income to replace it with. They are stuck day in and day out with a schedule that there is another way. I could not sit on that and let other providers go through that same suffering and discomfort and unease and know that there's something wrong and wake up every day dreading going into work when I know and have proven that look, this is what you have that you can take, that's possible for your life, that your potential that you know so many people seem to lose over time.

Ashley:

It's amazing, the things that make us brave. Sometimes, In the moment, there's absolutely no way that that is going to do anything except absolutely tear us down, and I'm thinking about so many examples. You just said, so many examples of things people have told me recently in past episodes Losing a family member, specifically a sister unbelievable, that you feel like you'll never overcome that. Losing your job, not having your job anymore when it wasn't your decision perhaps I spoke with somebody else failing your board exams it really feels insurmountable sometimes. And then you take two more steps forward and you realize you are in good hands. The Lord has you. Take two more steps forward and you realize you are in good hands. The Lord has you and what you're doing is just showing bravery every single day. And that is what you have done and I'm so grateful for it. First of all, because of what it has led you to right and Escape.

Ashley:

The Clinic has incredible value for people who might need to look towards that bravery. I can be brave too. People who might need to look towards that bravery. I can be brave too. Haiti did it. She knows how to do it. Let me do it too. So what would you tell a clinician? It doesn't necessarily have to be PA, but what would you tell a clinician who's sitting there thinking, oh, this sounds like something I might do.

Katie:

Yeah. So I have a free masterclass that helps you kind of rediscover your thing, what lights you up, what you're passionate about and how you can serve others, and it also shows you how to start building a list of people who will buy that thing from you and get your idea out into the world. So I have a free masterclass and I can definitely give that to you to put in the episode notes if you'd like. And then I also have an Escape the Clinic course that walks you through the whole shebang from discovering your thing to building a list of future super fans, to making your first sales, packaging up what your thing is, what you do now, what's super valuable, putting it out into the world, all the techie stuff that goes along with it, all the logistical stuff that goes around along with that. So I have an entire course that is specifically for providers to open their own online business.

Ashley:

What would be the first step that somebody in that position would do? Just jump in, start writing things down.

Katie:

Yeah, definitely go through the masterclass and in that masterclass you will also be able to go through it it's about an hour long and then book a free zoom call with me to hear about your ideas. It is literally my favorite thing ever to meet you guys and hear about your ideas and what you could create and put into the world. There is something so special about creating something from nothing, which is basically what you're doing with an online business, and once you, I'm so excited. I get so jazzed up about this, because once you have your thing, you get so lit up that you can't quit thinking about it. You get so excited about it and and it's it just. It's the best ever. So the first step masterclass book that call with me totally free, and I want to hear your ideas.

Ashley:

You're right the. There is so much beauty in a new idea and there is so much excitement in a new idea and there is so much excitement in a new idea and I think holding onto that is fun. But what is so much more enjoyable is sharing that with somebody who will be equally excited and, if possible, who will start pouring ideas into your project, if it is, into your plans, into your passion, which is exactly what you do project if it is into into your plans, into your passion, which is exactly what you do.

Katie:

Do you hit on something so key? It doesn't matter if you are working for one person or there are 3000 people in your audience, it doesn't matter. You serve the one, you help them and it is the best. I mean you make it about that person, because truly business comes down at its foundation. Business is about helping others overcome something and serving with radical empathy. That's what it's about. And when you make one other person, a thousand other people, it doesn't really matter what the number is. If you make them the hero of the story, if you make it about them, you have guaranteed your business success.

Ashley:

That was. That was mind blowing. I mean, that was just such an earth shattering thought. That was mind-blowing. I mean, that was just such an earth-shattering thought. That was incredible. Before we wrap up, the people listening to this podcast are largely pre-health students, and maybe they are people who are experiencing healthcare themselves right now, whether they are in medicine or perhaps a patient. For those people who are looking towards medicine and they're thinking well, gosh, Ashley and Katie have just, you know, they've mentioned a lot of strife that they have felt working in medicine right now, I would just like to, first of all, I just want to say that the position that you are in right now hugely successful business owner is because you are a PA, it's because you worked as a PA, professor, I think it is. It is because of the degree that you got. So what would you tell those students? How would you, how would you encourage them to pursue this, this career in medicine, Even if you know, even if there are flaws in medicine itself?

Katie:

Yeah, I'm so glad you asked that. So, first off itself, yeah, I'm so glad you asked that. So, first off, I never want to come across as like ungrateful for my career or any ingratitude. I think that my life has taken the direction because God has his own purpose for that and so that is kind of you know why my life has played out the way it has. But being a PA, I love our profession. I love our career. I'm totally biased, but it is literally the best career in the entire world, even if, you know, still working in clinic. If I were still working in clinic and I didn't own a business, I would still feel fulfilled in some way. And really it is not the PA part, it is not the patient care, it is not the medicine. All of that is amazing and I would probably still be there if it wasn't for the administrative part of it, the red tape, the burdens of our healthcare system.

Ashley:

Right.

Katie:

And so I just want to be transparent about that One. If you are on the PA track, I don't want to dissuade you by my experiences of burnout. Now will you experience burnout? Yes, I think every provider experiences burnout. It's not if it's going to happen, it's just when, but you can prepare for that now. You can prepare for that by knowing yourself really well, knowing you know about your work-life balance and how, and your family if you want to have one, your preferences, all that sort of stuff.

Katie:

But also becoming a PA gives you such an incredible education, such a valuable education, that, even if you did go into clinic and you only wanted to work a few days a month, having an online business, being able to pack up the knowledge that you give to your patients every single day and deliver it in only the way that you can deliver it because you're you and nobody else is that is still an option for you, that is still a route for you, and so I don't want to come down on the PA career.

Katie:

I love my profession, I love being a PA, but God has taken me in another route, and that is to help others who have burnout, who want to be home with their kids, who want to travel the world, who want to make more money, who don't want to be limited or hit a ceiling when it comes to their income or when it comes to the days they can work and all of that sort of thing. So for them I say, pa, amazing, you're on the right track, it's the best ever. But also know that there is another side of medicine that isn't talked about quite as much as a PA and to anticipate that it's going to happen, but also know how to respond to it. And then, if you find yourself burnout and needing an escape route, know that I'm here waiting for you to hear your ideas.

Ashley:

Fabulous, fabulous. And this is Katie, with Escape the Clinic. You have a podcast as well, which I have so enjoyed listening to, and your guests are just incredible and so inspiring, and everything that you've spoken about just makes me so hopeful for not just medicine but, more importantly, the people in medicine, right, it's incredible. So, katie, tell us about where we can find out more information about all of these amazing gifts that you offer.

Katie:

Yeah, escape the Clinic podcast on any podcast listening platform that you're on. And, ashley, I can't wait to have your podcast episode up and going soon. I can't wait, it's gonna be so good. So you guys will have to come and listen to Ashley's story. If you wanna email me, it's katie at escape the cliniccom. That's Katie with an IE and Instagram at escape the clinic. Facebook. Escape the clinic LinkedIn. Katie Bean like a green bean. So come hang out, it'll be fun.

Ashley:

Fantastic. Katie, thank you so much for taking the time to hang out with us on shadow me next and to tell your story so honestly and so beautifully, for taking that fear that you experienced and just putting trust in the Lord and allowing it to become something brave, and become something that has just improved the lives of so many people, and we'll continue to do so, I think so. Thank you for all you do and thanks for being here with us today.

Katie:

Right back at you. Ashley, You're amazing. Thank you so much for this and it's an honor to be here and I love what you're doing so much.

Ashley:

Thank you so very much for listening to this episode of Shadow Me Next. If you liked this episode or if you think it could be useful for a friend, please subscribe and invite them to join us next Monday, as always. If you have any questions, let me know on Facebook or Instagram Access. You want stories you need? You're always invited to Shadow Me Next.

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