The Public News Ins, Sean McCann. Welcome to the Public News Ins podcast coming to you from Cullen Studios, where you can get all your content done, from photo shoots to podcasts. Today we have John Garda. What's happening? Thanks for coming in, fella on a very busy schedule.

Speaker 2: 0:26

Busy time of year, crazy time of year. I think we're a week out now from Christmas. Are we or less just?

Speaker 1: 0:32

a week. It's crazy how it creeps up. I can remember it was summer, not too long ago. I know all the concerts and festivals happening now we're fucking hopped up and it's pissing rain out there so it's like sore throats clogged up trying to declog it must be hard this time of year, especially like being clogged up because it's you're very prone to pick up cold, especially this time of year funny enough.

Speaker 2: 0:55

You know something that I never really yet you must have a strong immune system, just from and that's even even back at the start now, whenever I started out, I used to lose the voice fast yeah and over time it's just got stronger and stronger.

Speaker 1: 1:10

I remember like I used to always think, see, whenever I would've went to a bar like I love like walking out and watching like live music, someone good singing, it's like yourself and I'm like that's me in my element, yeah, and I used to go fuck element. And I used to go fuck. I used to think people like who were singing or gigging in a bar were like drinking booze and people probably do. But I'm just realising now that you say it, you fucking probably couldn't, because that's your tool. You can't go out drinking all the time, be dehydrated and fucking because you actually need to look after yourself.

Speaker 2: 1:37

I know I'll come here and do you see, when it was starting out that buzz was brand new and that's why I was losing it then? Yeah you know it was like jeez, this is crazy. Yeah, like the views and stuff online.

Speaker 1: 1:52

And then you get a wee bit of hype about you and you're like you're the man you love it no, I don't want I go out and. I'm like let's just let's get home and chill, go to the Spaniard and get loads of dark and stormies. No, 100%, you know it's like me, like they're my tools, like for tools, but like that's literally your voice is your fucking is your bread and butter.

Speaker 2: 2:13

The voice is the main thing. You know what I mean. And don't get me wrong there's been many's a mad night, even like Even whenever there's something big happening. If I feel like I want to go out or do something and enjoy myself, I'll do it. We've all been there.

Speaker 1: 2:31

I know dirty bit In terms of gigging and busking. What would you prefer to do?

Speaker 2: 2:37

The freedom is in the busking.

Speaker 1: 2:39

Is it Because you can go anywhere in the world?

Speaker 2: 2:42

If you want to travel and enjoy it. You know you can go anywhere with the buskin. But it's not only that. You know whenever you're in in a bar, you have a certain amount that you, you know, want to give when you're on the street, if you're not really feeling it or you want to go home, you can switch it off and go when you're in the bar and you're working for somebody, you're trying to give them everything, because they deserve everything, because they're paying you what they've arranged with you.

Speaker 2: 3:09

You know, and come here. They're both great and they're both. I'm blessed to be able to do both and enjoy it. But the busking's just nice. You know like there's been many times where there's been the slightest drizzle or rain and my mate walks past and he's going to bitters for a pint and I'll be away with him. Let's go, it doesn't bother me, you know, it's just that's good about the freedom.

Speaker 2: 3:33

Yeah, exactly you know it's, it's even. You know it's just. If you're waking up that morning, you don't want to do it. You know you can just.

Speaker 1: 3:44

But when I have a booking, I am loyal saying to people that pre-book me and do you think like the bus comes more for promotion? It is I, and it's.

Speaker 2: 3:55

it's nice because you know, like the CDs and the albums and stuff, people still say, oh, cds are a thing of the past. Not where I'm standing, it's crazy like.

Speaker 1: 4:06

But we do.

Speaker 2: 4:10

I'm looking big time at the transition now to change. Do you write your own music? No, no, just all.

Speaker 1: 4:17

Have you ever tried to write your own music?

Speaker 2: 4:18

Have I? I come here and there's stuff there, but I find it too. You know you're telling someone what's inside your head. Yeah, there, but I find it too. And too, you know you're telling someone what's inside your head yeah it's embarrassing like too emotional.

Speaker 2: 4:27

It's opening up yeah, if we're at a wedding or something and there's a guitar going around at the after party, like I'll make up a song about the breaking ground, like that, yeah, you know, make up funny, stupid, silly songs, yeah. And then there's other times that I can write stuff and it's like people be emotional.

Speaker 1: 4:44

Yeah, it's deep, deep shit. The music's like that, isn't it? It's almost like it's very deep.

Speaker 2: 4:49

But if someone played that back to me the next day I'd be like, oh, turn that off.

Speaker 1: 4:55

You'd be cringing.

Speaker 2: 4:56

My father is the worst for this. He will play back videos through a speaker in the house. He's sitting listening to a cover that I've maybe done, that he thinks is good, and he'll be playing it through the system in the house and I'm like, oh, when you turn that off? Because I just don't want to and it's I don't know what it is could sound when I'm watching back on these podcasts.

Speaker 2: 5:22

Turn that off the fuck but it's just the way it is, it's. I think it's just something in our heads. I think it's just you.

Speaker 1: 5:28

I think the more you get, obviously, the more you get used to stuff like that, because a lot of singers, like proper famous singers, don't write their own music. Yeah, they get handed music, do you know what I mean? And they just turn it off and I just switch off, but I suppose it's just something you maybe need to get used to.

Speaker 2: 5:49

That's who you are and exactly that's who you are.

Speaker 1: 5:52

But you shake and be embarrassed and opening up and it's almost like therapy going to the therapist and telling them everything and opening up but at least only one person knows.

Speaker 2: 6:01

I know, you know what I mean. You're putting it out there to everyone and I think, like I heard a songwriter talk one time and saying, especially co-writing is so embarrassing yeah, because you're, you're bearing everything you know, but I no, come here is your father.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Is he involved in music before or he just loves?

Speaker 2: 6:21

it he was. He wanted this more than I did. I think, yeah, from day one we went like I was young when we went to Nashville, and I think that influenced me a lot.

Speaker 1: 6:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:32

You know, and he always kind of pushed for everything you know.

Speaker 1: 6:34

Because a lot of I love music, like love it but I don't care.

Speaker 2: 6:44

But I'm sure you listen to Plenty with Dervla and the house.

Speaker 1: 6:48

I love it. One thing that we found in common was music whenever we met, which she was very shocked about, because we literally come from two different worlds. We're both from West Belfast, but she just had absolutely a completely different upbringing than what I had.

Speaker 1: 7:04

I obviously lived in Turf Loz, she lived in Glen Road and she was like in the drama school and I was just a wee rogue running about the roads who ended up good at boxing and like, when we met each other, loads of her friends would know me because of the Irish language and I didn't even know who Dervla was. But she was like they can't believe that. We're like how does that even happen? How do you even meet each other? And I was like, well, but they actually have loads in common, like the music thing.

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Speaker 2: 8:17

That'll be pretty similar to myself and Lana. You know she never gigged before she met me and then during COVID, like we were sitting. It's bad isn't it. Lana was very into sports and she's very into her work, what she does Like she works with Deal Farm and she works at hair extensions and stuff. But music was something that she'd never dreamt, you know, of getting into.

Speaker 2: 8:44

she was always very, very talented and singing and stuff, and then during covert I used to go live on facebook people would be like people would be like get alana to sing a song and alana started singing and then started getting followers and followers and followers, and then she's gigging away from time to time. But come here, every relationship's different, like you know, and it's what makes ours, you know, because we're so much in love with music.

Speaker 1: 9:11

She's way gigging, I'm way gigging and it kind of it works well. You know it works well and I suppose like you can there enough half-criticise each other.

Speaker 2: 9:19

Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 9:20

Because you're in the same industry it's sort of like. It's obviously constructive criticism. It's like to help.

Speaker 2: 9:25

But it goes well. I can't tell.

Speaker 1: 9:27

Dermot, I need to change this or change that. She'll tell me to fuck off. You have no clue. It's like her coming up to me. It's good to have that like. Is there, almost like like looking out for each other in a good way.

Speaker 2: 9:41

Yeah, 100%, and there's always come here. The bars always are very good to us as well. You know, we try and do similar kind of venues and I don't do as many venues now as I used to. It's more the weddings and private work and stuff and I still have my wee regular slots that I do. Like you know, it's nice to go and do weddings and do them really important moments in people's lives, because it's a big selection for like.

Speaker 1: 10:07

For me, obviously, when me and Dara were getting married, it was like one of the main things was like who do we get because that's a big decision to make like for any bread and cream to make a decision on the music, because that's your whole entertainment, for you have to pick it out and you never know who's going to be at the weddings.

Speaker 2: 10:23

Like I don't know what happened. It was on my social media a couple of, maybe two months ago and I'd the song's done and this guy came over to me and he was like you're fantastic, did you get to meet? Yet? I go, who's Dermot? He says Dermot Kennedy. I go Dermot Kennedy. He's not here. He says he is he's gonna marry my daughter. I go what he says. I says Dermot is my daughter's partner and he's here and I'm gonna bring you over it's probably better that you didn't know he was there.

Speaker 1: 11:00

Didn't know he was there, he had just done Theo Vaughan's podcast in Nashville unreal came over when I was finished and we chatted for like 20 minutes.

Speaker 2: 11:09

As the guest was walking from the drinks reception into the main room, he stood and chatted to me for ages about Nashville. I've been to Nashville so many times and he was just chatting about different artists that we know and common friends of ours that we both know.

Speaker 1: 11:25

And it's an end of a small world and it's like, fuck me, unreal.

Speaker 2: 11:28

And he was sitting listening and joining.

Speaker 1: 11:32

And I was like mind blown yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:35

But it's just weddings. There's something about weddings and I've done some really like. I've done John Kavanagh's wedding yeah, coach Kavanagh, and he's like that was really special gig that I've done like so few people at his wedding, but it was just so powerful.

Speaker 1: 11:50

He's just, he's a very like, he's the purest in whatever he does. Oh yeah, I've met him a few times, met his wife too, and so humble, just the purest. They're just the purest. What they're doing, they're just like they. They want the way I see it is like they're almost like perfectionists. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 12:06

So that was just and his wife, like they were just really really good people. His wedding was so far in the south of Ireland. It was crazy, but it was just everything about. It was perfect. You know, we went to Dingle.

Speaker 1: 12:19

That's see Draven there, jesus, it was like I could have.

Speaker 2: 12:23

We got to Dingle. I said to Dervla.

Speaker 1: 12:25

We could have went to fucking New York but do you know exactly see, what I got there. See after, see now that I've come home. Yeah, I said to her we need to go to Dingle every.

Speaker 2: 12:33

Easter. It felt, good it felt good, fucking unreal.

Speaker 1: 12:37

It's mad. Now the whole drive thing's over me.

Speaker 2: 12:39

I'm like I wanna go back again nah, we like, and you know, in that journey in America.

Speaker 1: 12:45

That's nothing people drive to work like that. People do that to go to work fucking insane like.

Speaker 2: 12:51

Alana's uncle is in Florida and he drives from one side of Florida in the same state, and it is. It's a similar distance. That's insane, isn't it? And he does it twice a week. That's mad.

Speaker 1: 13:02

And they just do that in O'Pallam and they're just driving.

Speaker 2: 13:04

That's that's. And I drive from Vegas down to Los Angeles and I was like this is insane, the drive Crazy crazy, crazy distance it's nothing over there.

Speaker 1: 13:15

I know because we're so small and so close together. We're just just. We feel like we have everything on our doorstep. You know what I mean. Even like driving up, when I was saying to you where the studio was, I was like it's only just past.

Speaker 2: 13:29

I was kind of trying to narrow it down but that's fuck all.

Speaker 1: 13:31

Anywhere else you know what I mean, even if you were driving to a city, you're still going to have 20 minutes to get a spot and spot and all. So it actually works it out. The way we're just, the way it's instilled in our brain, is everything is so far away, but yeah, 100% what about you?

Speaker 2: 13:47

what about the boxing? I want to ask you a few questions. What about New York?

Speaker 1: 13:53

New York experience wise unbelievable but like obviously the biggest show that I've ever boxed on in terms of like I think it's probably one of the biggest shows any any Irish fitness box on, almost nearly because Ryan Garcia and and Davin Haney are just two global superstars. Like like Ryan Garcia has 11.5 million followers, or something on on.

Speaker 2: 14:17

Instagram. Did you find it?

Speaker 1: 14:17

intimidating? Nah, not at all. People were all like Pete was tackling him and me, off to my coach and he was like how you feeling? And I was like fuck, all my patience was out of range there, but I was like they're here to watch me. That was just my attitude. I just didn't care. I'm here to do a job. Obviously, the odds were stacked against me. I think I was 5-1 or something to win, but I knew I was going to win. I told everyone to back me even though I didn't win, but I told everyone to back me and I sure did win.

Speaker 2: 14:45

And do you think there's a level of corruption in boxing? No matter where it is in the world, it's a very heavy level. Even with a lot of stuff moving out of Saudi. Do you think that's still going to transition over?

Speaker 1: 14:56

I think I think Saudi's doing a great job in terms of like they've got obviously they've got all the money, they've got all the power and they've got all the promoters working together something that's never really happened.

Speaker 1: 15:08

Like Eddie Harmon would never work with Frank Warren very very rarely he would have been fucking arguing over who's getting the rights to his show and who's getting stuff. Never happens. So the best never fought the best. I think with Saudi coming in and Turkey Al-Sheikh giving the best of best, fights like Fury fight Nusik, that's something we would probably have never seen before. The fact that we haven't seen Fury fight Joshua and their primes goes to show you that if Turkey Al-Sheikh had come in five, six years ago, they would have fought him Definitely by five. Six years ago. They had a foot in it, definitely by now because the money's too good. He takes all the politics out of it and just makes it one stage that everyone's boxing on and and he's doing good for boxing. But I just hope that's the way boxing grows now. Yeah, and he's sort of half getting rid of the YouTubers because he's not giving like Jake, paul and stuff a platform to box on.

Speaker 2: 16:00

I don't think they deserve it, though he doesn't I know. I know and come here. A lot of people say that. I'm wrong saying that, but there's just something that's not right there. It's not right, I think there's a bit of doubt in everybody. Yeah, you know, is it now you know? Is it safe to put a bet on these guys?

Speaker 1: 16:21

Because there's so much it's almost corrupt, like you remember, like one of the fights he was fighting like a UFC fighter, an ex UFC fighter, and he threw a punch and it's like he dropped everyone and was sent up the stage. You wouldn't even know, you don't know they're that powerful in terms of money and like the money that them boys are generating is insane. I think got like 70 million to fight Mike Tyson. People were going Mike Tyson's gonna beat him and I was going what is wrong with you? Mike Tyson can't even walk. He's fucking 60 years of age.

Speaker 1: 16:48

Relax, he's not he's mad so, but there is an element to what they bring to the table is good. I think they're giving people a platform like Katie Taylor boxed on that show, massive platform, biggest payday Katie's career ever like. So they do bring new, new eyes to the sport, which is good, but I think you just need to separate it from like and then him calling out Canelo. Why do people even bait that? Just just brush it off, move on.

Speaker 2: 17:14

Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 17:15

that's where people get involved emotionally and go like I hate YouTube boxing because they're calling it Canelo and they're calling it fucking all the big names. That's what they're doing. That's why they're YouTubers because they're good at getting views, they're good at getting clickbait, they're good at getting people watching them. It's working, like it's working. It's great.

Speaker 2: 17:31

Like Netflix showing that was like massive.

Speaker 1: 17:34

Massive and any, any fate of her. Floyd Mayweather. For a pint I'll smoke it, but how do you really know the number?

Speaker 2: 17:44

yes, the view numbers. I know that that have that, but how do you actually know what money has been generated?

Speaker 1: 17:51

I know, I don't know in terms of, I think, because the subscription if it's pay per view, it's, there's a subscription to it, so people have to subscribe. They count all numbers at the end of it and just see how much it's mad.

Speaker 2: 18:05

Can you see that happening, that netflix going down that road?

Speaker 1: 18:08

all the money they made off that one fight alone like, yeah, definitely, they'll probably end up having a contract with jake paul or something like that for his next three or four fights and then he'll get paid like multi, multi millions for it.

Speaker 1: 18:17

And then, obviously, every time he fights january, like people, they're going to generate more anyway because people subscribe. He'll get paid like multi, multi millions for it. And then, obviously, every time he feeds, generate like people, they're going to generate more anyway because people subscribe for the month. Do you know what I mean? And then what happens? When you send in the, when you subscribe to YouTube, you never really or not YouTube Netflix? You never cancel that anyway. Yeah, you're never going to cancel it. That rip like I have. I have a dodgy box right.

Speaker 2: 18:41

I have a dodgy box.

Speaker 1: 18:42

One time I was walking up the hall here, some fucking not a dodgy we have a, a dodgy box right, but I pay for Disney Plus it's like 11.99 a month. Netflix, I think that's like 15 quid a month, and Parma Plus, and I'm like that's the fucking. You're paying like near 60 quid a month. Plus you have a doggie stick where you can watch all that on for free.

Speaker 2: 19:07

I think I've got all three. I only pay for one of them. I'm in everyone else's again give me your details. I think everyone else is on there, fucks it.

Speaker 1: 19:18

I'm not getting the benefit from it.

Speaker 2: 19:20

But even going back to New York, right? So whenever you arrived, like was everything pre-planned, you had obviously the place to train, you had an area, or had you all that pre-done or what? Why did that work for?

Speaker 1: 19:32

you. When I was finished camp I just flew out. It was basically just the tapering part. So weight loss, basically. So I go to New York and then you've got a place to train, you've got your hotel, you've got someone picking you up in the airport, you have a chauffeur driving you.

Speaker 2: 19:47

What is that?

Speaker 1: 19:48

like it's cool, like because I had the, I had the big chauffeur driving like a driving like a Chevrolet or something or a Suburban or something like that.

Speaker 1: 19:57

And I got and I I had the Ravel tunes on and he was like is this Irish music? I was like is this Irish music? And he was loving it and he was like it's deep, it's deep and all this shit. And it was good we were just flying around New York. So if I needed to go anywhere I would just go to the Emmons at reception and just say I need to go to fucking 50 but yeah it was good, but the feeling of being there and being there to do a job is because you still have to stay focused in Switzerland.

Speaker 1: 20:25

It's very easy to go to New York and go in New York and fucking and lose it yeah and just lose focus completely of what you're actually here to do.

Speaker 1: 20:32

You know what I mean. Like people can go out and go shopping and do all the same just to a fucking job, and that's it's. It's hard to keep that discipline. There has to be a fair balance. You can't just go like I've made it.

Speaker 1: 20:43

I feel like a lot of irish fighters I've gotten, that we're seeing the fate on a big stage and they've sort of crumbled. We're like, they're like I like I knew I belonged there. No, I mean, I knew I am. I'm gonna win this. Like. I've told everyone to back me, which I never, ever, ever do. But in that fight I was like you're never gonna give me a five to one ever again, like, so do it. And a few of my mates lumped on it like, but I was like I'm definitely gonna win here, like.

Speaker 1: 21:08

And then at the show itself, now I think I feel like it was a wee bit of a circus with the two big names, because Ryan Garcia was just fucking about the whole time. Obviously the people thought his head was away and he was fucking. He played it well. He played it well because obviously it worked in the end. But um, loads of people like we were winning. Everyone had the way and we're all starving and uh, rang our seat and show up for like an hour so the wing can go ahead until he starts. He's an hour late for his way in. We're all waiting around starving, just can't wait to eat and weigh in and eat and drink. And he didn't show up for not until like an hour later he would be going mental fuck me.

Speaker 1: 21:49

So then he shows up and they were calling us in order of the bill, so they were top of the bill and I was co-main event so I was right after him. So we're all standing next to each other and we're the same weight and they're like. They're like. They made her like two midgets. Do you know what I mean? They look big and they look massive on TV. But I was standing beside Ryan Garcia and I was like fucking and like, because at that stage he was hating him because he was late for an hour first thing, and I was starving.

Speaker 1: 22:16

And then we got up and he weighed in three pound over. So then the staff, the whole rest of us, went in. They were like, right, what are we doing here? You've got like an hour to lose three pounds. He's like nah, fuck it, just pay the man. He made a bet with Dav and Henny that if he doesn't make weight he'll pay him 50 grand for every pound over he is. So we made a bet and he said just fucking, pay the money. Just. He said, just fucking, pay the money, just pay the money. And that went in.

Speaker 2: 22:39

I'll just weigh in three pound over.

Speaker 1: 22:41

So then the whole fucking show was all up in the air because it was meant to be a world title fight.

Speaker 1: 22:46

But now he didn't make the world title limit, so it's no longer a world title fight and he just paid the 150 grand to Davin Haney, which is fucking crazy money, but he doesn't care. Million for a fight, you know what I mean. And uh, I was like it was just a service to be honest behind the scenes. And uh, and then we had to do a public way and so we're ready. Then, once we went in, we had to do a public way, he off this hotel and the whole public way ends on stall until he gets back, which is like an r3 traffic. I was like why? I was like I'm going, I'm, and the chauffeurs wouldn't bring me back up to the hotel because they were waiting on him coming. So it was just a fucking shit show.

Speaker 2: 23:27

I would be losing it.

Speaker 1: 23:28

And then, obviously, when you get the arena, it was like fuck, it was like 17,000 people that were completely sold out.

Speaker 2: 23:36

But do was still trying to get into your head, or was he just?

Speaker 1: 23:39

I think he was just trying to get into Dad and Henny's head, because that's he played the whole, the whole week, the whole fight. He was getting on like he was nuts and all and he was singing and doing all mad stupid stuff, saying I'm smoking weed, that's all I'm doing, I'm smoking weed. And and then he ended up fucking, he battered to anything and come here.

Speaker 2: 24:00

Would you ever like to get back to New York again to do that, or is that, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1: 24:05

I wanted a rematch. Like obviously they won't give me it, they won't give me a rematch, simple as that. But I would love, even if I have to go back to New York, it would like, obviously it was, it was corrupt design. I fucking won hands down. But I would love to go back and just fucking make the wrong. No, I mean, and I've had a very opportunity comes will be away to fuck cuz.

Speaker 2: 24:26

It was a good special experience like no mean is to be on the money, yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:30

I'm top, top level in New York City, like, and you've taken sit rings aid you fucking robbers 21 Savage sitting rings aid all these people and uh, it was a brilliant experience for me. Like no, obviously you say not, not many people get that opportunity. It was burning, but uh, I'm over, next time I'll get you over busking 100% get me over there see new york city.

Speaker 1: 24:55

It's just insane people. I always think belfast is nuts. It is nuts, but new york's subways and stuff over there. The raw talent and music is in the subways there like yeah you always hear walking through and even on the subways themselves you hear people just want you, so when they start, just open up singing that's how a lot of people get discovered, like yeah you never know who's going to show up like and that's embossing anywhere, you know.

Speaker 2: 25:20

You never know who's going to show up and that's in Buskin anywhere. You never know who's going to walk up to you in the street, I know that happens in Hammer like so many people, david Gray.

Speaker 1: 25:28

David Gray. I was a cracker at one spot who else came up? Brett Young and his brother walked past do you specifically go out knowing he's playing that week? Because, it's obviously say like we went to that show. So say like there's 10,000 people going to watch David Graves. What 10,000 people want to hear his music that week?

Speaker 2: 25:50

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:51

So it brings more traction to you while you busk in the street, and then obviously it brings David Graves here.

Speaker 2: 25:56

That's how you're supposed to do it. But a lot of people just go out and sing whatever they want, and there is days that I do that too. But no matter what style of music, I'll be covering it. Blackberry Smoke, which is a southern rock band who I seen in Nashville years ago, became massive Played Telegraph a little recently. I sang their stuff. They came up to me Brett Young there's been so many, like you know but I was on yesterday and I was just randomly busking and I've been following the kneecap story and you're boy DJ probably and I was like. He came up and I was like I know you, where do I know you from? And I couldn't put my my knee on it and he's like aye, this is Nicky.

Speaker 1: 26:44

This is your lady JJ aye, he's flying as well.

Speaker 2: 26:48

And he was so fucking simple. He stood and chatted and bought a couple of albums.

Speaker 1: 26:54

See, that's good support. Like, why not?

Speaker 2: 26:57

And he was like we're in the Odyssey on Saturday night and stuff.

Speaker 1: 27:02

I ain't going to, it are you, I ain't going to it. I'm going to go and watch it. See, they went to school with me, nisha and stuff went to school with me so I have no women's like on a personal level. They're fucking good lads like and, like I said, like their manager is obviously because the way he's just directed their career. And Irish language it's grown, it's massive, but they've just made it an international known thing, now Massive. Do you speak any? I mean?

Speaker 2: 27:31

Durban is fluent. My child speaks it as well. Really.

Speaker 1: 27:35

We would speak in the house to the child now. Brilliant, so it's good to have. I had to take him to funky monkeys today, or well, one of them we like won't explore with his school today and I'm just able to walk around and engage with all his teachers and talk and and I actually really it's good to have like we had like we parents teaching meeting last week and I was able to go up and just sit there and speak and so it's and we.

Speaker 1: 27:59

You were taught that in school, obviously, so I had primary school and secondary school right up to like A levels we never had that. And from Anna and Jerome I think it was a faff man. I went to my school with Gareth and he had to get like two buses every single day to school and leave at like half six in the morning.

Speaker 1: 28:16

He was allowed to come in late because of the buses, but he was only like 20 minutes every day, every day that's unbelievable and he done that for like he left in fifth year, like I think he went to a secondary school down there and done like and I just went to an english school, but cap on, irish is a subject, but uh, it's a. It just shows you like there's some people who are passionate about it but in, in like down our way.

Speaker 2: 28:40

It's just, it's not a thing. We had an option of. I know one of my school and I loved it. My grandmother spoke fluent Irish. She spoke she's from Falkyard in County Donegal, yeah, and her and her sister would talk on the phone only in Irish. See, that's amazing. You'd have never known what they were saying. But from I came to Belfast, it seems to be, it seems to be more of a thing where it's you know people want to do it.

Speaker 1: 29:10

yeah, you know because like sort of like in the west of ireland they all speak. There's all gil tax right in the west island, right down the dingo, as far as dingo, right up to the tip of danly gall. It's all gil tax the way down, you mean. So irish language is just given there and then in them areas right right through ireland like the gil tackling, connemara and and Danny Gaw and Westport, the whole way down it's all Gail Tacks and they're just giving it here. It's like people want to do it, they want to do it. It's not like they're just giving it the pride, but it's like the pride in it. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 29:44

And for me I didn't appreciate it. In school I used to speak English any chance I got, because it was like part of my personality was like I just thought it was like funnier in English and it was just easier. But now that I've left school and I didn't speak Irish for like six years when I left school and it was sketchy, very sketchy, and then I'd done a TV show. They'd done a TV show on me and Irish and it just came back to me over time. We were just constantly doing that show and constantly talking and I was like it just came back.

Speaker 2: 30:17

Nah, I'm just fine and would it take you a second? Whenever you're, it's coming back to you to remember what that means it did.

Speaker 1: 30:25

it did at the time where I was like pausing, I was like in the in and then sent it. But then, over the course of like, they filmed me for like two, two and a half years. It was a bit of a pause because of COVID, but over the course of two and a half years it just by the end of it it was just flown.

Speaker 2: 30:41

What TV show was that? Dg4? Was it it?

Speaker 1: 30:44

was Kit Dog. It's a show called Kit Dog. It's on BBC iPlayer and it's a two series documentary just following my career up until I won a European title and from a term pro up until I won a European title and it's just all in Irish and it's it's class. You know what I mean because, like in my area, turf Floyd, we're going around and around just my upbringing, I'm like the only one that sort of spoke Irish and like now that I'm on the back end of it, everyone loves it. Everyone's like I wish I had one Irish, I wish I had one Irish, I wish I had one Irish. And then I say to like my mates, I'm saying to my kids I don't want an Irish, I make sure my dad has one Irish. I'm the only one in my house that speaks Irish. There's five of us. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 31:25

So it's like but do changing a lot as a city and accepting it.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Most of the city are accepting that I obviously like everyone, like people don't want it. Like, for example, there was a big kick up about the street sense getting changed in ari over belfast, the bus signs getting changed so they'll have both english and irish. There's a big kick up from a certain like certain part of belfast I want to have it. It's my language. Who cares? It's a native language, fuck's sake. Who cares? No one's asking you to change your language or no one's asking you to say it. You don't have to speak it. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 32:00

so I think there's just a big kick up about it for no reason but that has to be dying a certain, I think, when they start to see it like obviously it's already come in, it's been passed and it's in City Hall, it's in all government buildings have to have like an Irish department and near enough every government civil service building. Do you know what I mean? So it's passed. Now they've accepted that, they're not even kicking up fuss about it the motion letter, just used it and it's like oh, nothing's changed for Ammons you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 32:32

They don't need to ring up and ask for an Irish department. They just speak whatever they want. They speak English if they want. But I think it's just becoming more exciting now because they've no choice, because at the end of the day, there's no harm in it but like I think kneecap is just the perfect example of of what you can do, no matter where you're from in the world.

Speaker 1: 32:51

Yeah, exactly Because, as I say, fuck me, the small minority of Ireland only speak Irish, but they're able to go away and become global. That's mad you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 33:01

They're winning awards. That's their last name. They're winning awards for it in Santa On some of the biggest TV shows in the world.

Speaker 1: 33:07

I know I went to watch their film, their premiere, in the in the or in the Kennedy.

Speaker 2: 33:13

Center.

Speaker 1: 33:14

I had like a premiere and we were invited because D'Arbel obviously watched the TV and worked on the show and we went to it and I was just they were, the lads were were fucking half cut, they were had tins of beer in their pockets, bottles of Buckfast they loved it.

Speaker 1: 33:26

They were fucking drinking beamies like fuck. But I was so fuck to see it's unreal. It's like you say, it's just if you put your mind in it and you want to do it and you're enjoying it, do it. Yeah, you know what I mean and music is like that.

Speaker 2: 33:40

You know, no matter, no matter what kind of music you're doing, you're not going to please everybody, and I knew that first hand?

Speaker 1: 33:49

Was that the girl in lockdown? A girl kicked your bucket or something. It was outside For singing Grace Aye, like Grace in the Republic of Ireland song, I know. It's just an Irish love song.

Speaker 2: 33:58

But do you know the mad thing about that? I don't think I've ever talked this to anybody. Her brother wrote to me from Thailand and was like that's my sister that's done that to me. She's totally in the wrong way, she's doing that and you and I was replying and I goes, don't be worrying about it. I goes, it's grand, it's forgotten about. And, like you know, he told me a bit of her, of her background, and I was like what is actually going on there, like you know, that would make someone go out and do that. I guess I know exactly Her background is the same as her background.

Speaker 1: 34:37

Yeah, so there's no, but it's just it's people, that's fucking people are uneducated.

Speaker 2: 34:42

But I it's oh, come here, Whatever happened, but, but, but but but near enough it was.

Speaker 1: 34:49

It benefited you? If anything, it benefited you? More than anything, because I remember the support people like, like the amount of people I've seen, reassuring that going like what the fuck?

Speaker 2: 35:03

and I think, ah, he's a brilliant singer and I'll keep your head up and just showing support to you like not that it was going to fucking really affect you anyway, but it was anyway. It was grand. Some people, just to this day would still get on weirdly you'll get that everywhere you go, anyway, everywhere you go in this country anyway recently I was uploading a friend of mine.

Speaker 2: 35:29

I went down a guy wrote a bit of hate to me and I went down and I seen he a bit of hate to me and I went down and I seen he was a mutual friend with another guy and I called him and I was like this guy's mad in the head and he goes pass, no remarks, that's, and this is someone that's not on my side, you know yeah of the same religion as me, but is just one of my best mates.

Speaker 2: 35:51

Yeah, and he's like that guy's living in the stone age. That's what happened.

Speaker 1: 35:55

You know, move on. I know what's the harm. What is the harm even from like people on the same side of the religion. Yes, there was a little singing zombie in a bar. I was in the bar and she didn't tell me until we left. I was sitting having a pint of Watson and we were leaving and she said, oh fucking, some felon there says something about zombie. This is mad what she says he fucking says me fucking, don't be singing zombie in here.

Speaker 2: 36:21

I'm gonna blow your mind. It's like an anti-Aryan song. I says exactly the same. What it's? An anti-war? It's nothing more. Exactly the same.

Speaker 1: 36:29

In general. I mean, who was it? She's like we're not going back in, I'm not showing you who it was. I was like she would have told me.

Speaker 2: 36:35

Do you know this? Guarni is probably One of the same. It's probably the same person. I said Pathetic.

Speaker 1: 36:41

And that's like someone who's from the same side of Fucking fans as me, but I mean. Yeah, get you fucking loser and stuff like that really fucking agitates me something tells me, she didn't tell me she didn't tell me in the bar because she knew you had a fucking people always have a problem. People are just stuck in the fucking stone age and people don't want to grow, people don't don't want to fucking progress in life and progress for fucking for the future.

Speaker 2: 37:06

but like Belfast, you know, there's a very small minority of that, I know 100%.

Speaker 1: 37:11

Because I've sang.

Speaker 2: 37:13

Grace up the shankle. I've sang Grace on Sandy Road. It doesn't bother me, and the people love it. I sing it as a love song, that's all. It is a love song Fuck's sake. If you're living in the Stone Age, you might take a different view on it, but you always think what way is he singing it? What's the meaning? You might take a different view on it, but you always think how is? What way is he singing it? What's the meaning?

Speaker 1: 37:35

behind him.

Speaker 2: 37:36

Yeah, that's what it is, and that's like I don't sing it. I have no hate to nobody, yeah To nobody.

Speaker 1: 37:41

I know that's what happens Like we weren't really affected by anything. We just we actually have a better life because of fucking the way things are and we probably have kids behind us, a better life and just keep progressing. But if we keep them back down, it's never going to fucking happen. Exactly you know what I mean, but fucking that's mad that you're saying the same thing happened but something's happened to me.

Speaker 2: 38:04

It's maybe the same person, probably is fuck's sake.

Speaker 1: 38:08

I don't know who it was because she didn't show me, but fuck me if she had a man.

Speaker 2: 38:12

It's fucking strangling. But don't you always think, don't you always, and don't you always worry. You know what, if someone did say something to my partner and it wasn't there, or because like how often does it happen that you're not there her the rest of the week?

Speaker 1: 38:33

And then she was like picking around certain songs. She was like maybe I shouldn't sing it. And then we went and she was like maybe I shouldn't sing it. And I was like what? Sing whatever you're comfortable singing, I don't know, I mean sing whatever you're comfortable singing. It's just only in this place you would fucking have it happen.

Speaker 2: 38:45

But you just worry and come here. I've sang every different place, like different religions. Everyone has their own stuff, doesn't that they like you know, and it doesn't bother me. Yeah, you know, I just try and keep everyone happy.

Speaker 1: 38:58

You're an entertainer, that's all you're to do. You entertain people, keep people happy, singing and and but I it's you're doing it. Are you doing anything? I seen like a truck, a stage truck that I see you do.

Speaker 2: 39:10

Aye, what a, what a, what a blast.

Speaker 1: 39:13

That's a good idea.

Speaker 2: 39:14

So my brother took a, a Suzuki Kyari out of, eh, Japan. It's a 600cc engine, right. Eh, it's got a flat bed on the back of it. Eh, trailer, you know, trailer, you know. So the back of it is like it's for carrying like small goods, you know, like a wee builder in Japan or someone would use it or someone that owns a wee shop. And Eamon took it over and I bought it off him and was like I'm gonna start doing weddings on the back of that, put some flowers round the side of it and then sit in the back of it. It's as immaculate as it looks in the photos, yeah, so it's something unique, isn't?

Speaker 2: 39:56

it. It's something different, because people are always like oh, just set up over there in the corner or do that, or you know, and there's leads everywhere.

Speaker 2: 40:03

And I'm like I just want something to be special because it's a special day. Why haven't you back to to try and make a bit of an effort regardless? It'll not be every wedding I'll be able to do that, but in the summertime, you know, when you're playing the courtyard or you're playing the Lacks of Loch Eireann Gough, where they've got that outdoor drinks reception area, it works there, you know it'll work there, you know.

Speaker 1: 40:24

No, that's a great idea.

Speaker 2: 40:26

But you're always trying to think of what can I do differently, what can bring as well, you know, because big comment is always always singing the same songs. That's not. That's me singing maybe the same 15 songs, you know, in the city center because people really request them songs and want them songs, and then I'm constantly learning to try and you have to go with the fire's hat like don't you point of me walking through the city centre listening to you sing a song that no one else has heard.

Speaker 2: 41:02

A big one at the moment is that Come my Little Son. So we've started doing it the past couple of weeks and people are just unreal.

Speaker 1: 41:09

Look at me Loving it. Look at my eyes.

Speaker 2: 41:13

But the scene, even in Dublin, it's unreal. I could go down there any time and and bust down there and it's yeah, the atmosphere yeah and even like grafton street.

Speaker 1: 41:24

Yeah, and you know that's, that's the street.

Speaker 2: 41:27

I never, you know, I do. I'd say the gpo, yeah, because the football it seems to work better for me. I'd say that pre-mark, you know and stuff yeah, it works for me down there, but, like, for me, belfast is always going to be and it's home, like you know.

Speaker 1: 41:43

I know you've bought a house in Belfast, haven't you, aye?

Speaker 2: 41:46

a place out in the west?

Speaker 1: 41:48

is that? Because, obviously, when did you move to Belfast? When did you?

Speaker 2: 41:52

I'm about six years in Belfast now. Is that just?

Speaker 1: 41:55

purely because of gigging, because all your gigs were in the city centre, almost Like at Belfast, like around.

Speaker 2: 42:02

No, I never gigged in Belfast until I started busking.

Speaker 1: 42:06

Serious.

Speaker 2: 42:07

I was up for a concert and I'll tell you how I started busking. I was up for a concert in Belfast and they were doing two nights in a row. I had a couple of days off work and I went to the first show. I had an unbelievable experience at the gig. I just loved watching this band Said. The next night they were playing and I went on to book the ticket to watch them two nights in a row and while it was killing time in the city centre, I went to Matchett's to look at guitars. While I was in Matchett's I bought the speaker for the buskin, realised I had no microphone, so I bought a microphone and I went up and that was it. That was the start of it. That was all zero.

Speaker 2: 42:49

That, no, I'm not joking, I knew at that point that. I was going to be able to give up. I was driving a taxi five days a week. I was like I know I'm able to make a living with this now and that would. And that's no joke like that. That was it unreal unreal and that was life changing. I mean life changing. Yeah, that happened.

Speaker 1: 43:10

It was September now you've got a plan about a taxi. I got you that was.

Speaker 2: 43:16

that was September, that was September and by the time Christmas was over, I was able to travel wherever I wanted and it was only back. I'd done. I'd travelled from New York, los Angeles, we had a minivan, we'd done a bit of travelling and I'd seen a lot of busking while I was doing that. Like every major city, I went to watch the buskers and I'd never busked in my life. And I was just in the city, in Belfast, and I was like, fuck, I want to busk and work in Belfast, went in and bought the stuff Takes a lot of balls to do that too like.

Speaker 2: 43:53

I always remembered. I fucking went to, I bought this big yellow bucket, the same bucket I still have, and I went into Revolution of Cuba and counted the coins and I was like this is fucking metal, powerful, powerful like just that was it this time of year?

Speaker 1: 44:12

like it was fucking this is the. This is the fucking yeah, because obviously I would walk through something and just go it's freezing fucking people playing guitars. Every kind of fuck are they playing that guitar? Like I'm free and I'm here to fuck on the shop, like I haven't even started for it now and uh well that's what put me off in the street, like I play guitar all my gigs.

Speaker 2: 44:33

But yeah, but not the street the cds out and hold the cds and wave them about and see what the crack is. But no, it's. There's something nice, there's something really nice, and the opportunities just came from it.

Speaker 2: 44:46

You know the people I've met, coldline coming down doing the Stephen Nolan, show me like that's all by chance that's all purely by chance, you know, and that was in around the same time they'd started the busking and I know Grace was the first song that went viral online and this was only a couple of days after it started. It was like viral and like all over the world, people were writing to me that had seen it. And then Code Line seen the video that someone uploaded. It got like like a million views, fucking powerful.

Speaker 1: 45:22

Unreal.

Speaker 2: 45:23

And me from that. I was like no, I just want to focus.

Speaker 1: 45:26

And then the exposure you get for other bars. They start your gigging and then you can go between the gigging and the busking Big time.

Speaker 2: 45:31

Marty Wilson came to me a week after I had started busking and was like we're opening a new place called Rusty Saddle. Rusty Saddle had only got a big refurb.

Speaker 1: 45:42

Used to be the Washington and the.

Speaker 2: 45:43

Washington and he was like will you be a resident there every week? And to this day I'm still there every Friday. I've never let them down. Powerful, Unreal, like when I start somewhere unless they say that's you done.

Speaker 1: 45:58

I'd always be there. You're loyal. Like you say, you're loyal.

Speaker 2: 46:03

Yeah, and I used to. That was back when I wasn't playing guitar. I had Jonathan Guitars with me and Marty actually found Jonathan Guitars for me to do gigs and then we went on the gig all over the place, me and him. We were gigging every night of the week, part of it Three, three and four. There was days that we'd done four gigs in a day, like, and we were all over the place and he'd on the, the Nolan show with me, the Stephen Nolan show, whenever the coatline came down, and just a lot of good things happened at the right time to make it happen. Yeah, you know, a lot of things fitted in and worked out when you look back now, it's probably meant to be.

Speaker 1: 46:41

You know what I mean. It's meant to be, it's all meant to be like, and it's great, like it is great.

Speaker 2: 46:46

Come here, it's, it's it's. I miss Anaskeelan, like outside, and it's getting cultural, and it's hard, you know. Whenever I go back down there I miss my wee son down there too. So I go down and see him every week and it's tough, you know, but it's all for a better life it's a wee bit of sacrifice, isn't? It, it's a sacrifice to do?

Speaker 1: 47:15

would you ever encourage him to sing big time that? Would you ever encourage him to sing Big?

Speaker 2: 47:18

time. That's exactly what I want for him 100%.

Speaker 1: 47:21

Usually you're inherited. I believe A good voice is inherited. A good style of music is inherited. From what he's doing.

Speaker 2: 47:28

I just want him to love the success. I want even more for him all the time.

Speaker 1: 47:34

Well, you've near enough built a platform for him to start on, because he's your son and you've got a big profile. You've got a lot of gigs already, so obviously you can teach him a few, and I suppose growing up I didn't really want to want the music thing, but my father pushed me for it a lot, like you know, and you'd be glad of it. At the time you're like he's fucking doing my head.

Speaker 2: 48:09

Oh, do you know? I look back now and there's no joke, sean. I think to myself what would I have in life if I had music?

Speaker 1: 48:16

I know that is deadly serious, like what would I be now? How do you?

Speaker 2: 48:21

there's nights I think, sit and think to myself how could I sit down my son Branson and explain to him how good his life can be? Yeah, the places it can bring him, the people that he can make happy, it's that and that's most important to me, yeah, is making people happy. Seeing the smile on people's faces enjoying themselves, dancing, singing, fucking a woman stood behind me yesterday and was singing Willie McBride in the town, the Greenfields of France.

Speaker 1: 48:50

Powerful, she was roaring and crying that's insane, because it's every song means something, yeah and she was an English woman.

Speaker 2: 48:58

and she says an English woman and she says I served.

Speaker 1: 49:02

Come here.

Speaker 2: 49:03

We are not here to judge anybody or anyone that has. If they're relating to that song, I don't care who they are or what they are, and they're enjoying it and they're emotional. That's my purpose. Yeah, you're serving, yeah, you're a servant, and that's you know I just, and it's yeah, you're serving, you're an artist, and that's you know I just, and it's the feeling of making people happy and making you know, yeah, someone might need that song 100% probably it's someone's day.

Speaker 1: 49:29

Someone will be having a shitty day. Walk through this and, do you know, fuck it and that's that's what I want.

Speaker 2: 49:34

I want that for him, like you know, and want that for him. You know, and I suppose Belfast has been very, very good to me and the people I really connected with the people, no matter who they were. You know, there's something special about it and I get so emotional, even watching videos of Belfast. You know, I watched the thing the other night about the two Johnnies doing a show in Dublin. Did you watch any of it? I didn't watch it. Marty Marcy is like a GAA commentator. Yeah, I know who's Marty Marcy. He got up and did a monologue at the start about people all over the world, from Ireland. I'm going to send it to you when this is over.

Speaker 1: 50:13

Yeah, do you.

Speaker 2: 50:15

Fucking hell, he was crying watching this no matter where you're watching from in the world, this is Christmas time and we here in Ireland are thinking of you and I was like fuck, crying your eyes out.

Speaker 1: 50:23

I was thinking this is I was thinking, this is I was thinking, this is I was thinking, this is I was thinking this is I was thinking, this is I was thinking this is.

Speaker 2: 50:32

I was thinking this proud of Ireland, like I'm so proud of Belfast, and if I'm away somewhere, where were we, me and Alana was somewhere recently? And we were in Florida and a woman was like oh, we went to Ireland recently. And Alana was like Brian, did you come and visit our city Belfast? And she was like no, her friend told us, there's not much to do there. There's not much to do there.

Speaker 1: 50:57

Fuck's sake.

Speaker 2: 50:57

I was here, wigan, and I wasn't even in conversation. I goes well, your friend is full of fucking shit. I was so annoyed yeah, and Alana was annoyed too we were like our city is as good as anywhere else in Europe, in the world, because it's so close, you have everything in so close proximity. I was so annoyed because I was like you came to Ireland, they can come to Belfast. It should be top of your.

Speaker 2: 51:23

It should be one of your first places to go to, like Belfast and then she was like oh well, I'm definitely coming back and I'm gonna, but come here I just, no matter where I go, I always canvas, because that's how good it is and I know, I know it's not where I'm from, but it feels now like it's home.

Speaker 1: 51:39

It's home you're Belfast adapted exactly. You've always got it on a scale in there. But you're Belfast adapted.

Speaker 2: 51:47

But aye it's come here and it's just, it's the people and like even the actors. We were chatting earlier about blue lights and stuff. I think now we're just raising the bar in every area because obviously all the troubles have stopped, all the shit's stopped.

Speaker 1: 52:02

People are starting to grow, people are starting to be more open minded. Like you say in every industry, like the comedy scene is booming, boxing is booming, music is booming, actors are now setting the bar's, just getting set.

Speaker 2: 52:14

It's mad. I'm starting to see footballers doing better like.

Speaker 1: 52:17

I'm starting to see footballers doing better, like, exactly like.

Speaker 2: 52:19

Everything's just the bar's just raising and, exactly as you said, like I met Marty McKeown recently, as I was telling you, and that was what he was saying, like he says every day, we're trying to set the bar higher and higher, as you know. Yeah, as actors, of course, you know, and there's some of the bit like Derry Gears unreal.

Speaker 1: 52:39

Now we're starting to get TV time. We never really had TV time like had Ciarán O'Donnell last week and he was saying about Paul Moose. Paul Moose was unbelievable and like, imagine like redoing that again now with better, like having better, like more money pumped in. They had more funding to make it happen.

Speaker 2: 52:56

Do you know? I was in B&M down with the Kennedy Center the other day and I seen him and I was fucking mad.

Speaker 1: 53:06

I was fucking mad.

Speaker 2: 53:06

I kind of wanted to chat to him, yeah, but he was in, he was doing a shop and stuff and I was like I fucking want to chat to him. He's a good lad, let's and like so interesting like do you remember man About Dog?

Speaker 1: 53:17

no, I'm on about dog, we were printing that as well. Fucking funny.

Speaker 2: 53:20

I was like I remember years ago trying to download, download that show because I couldn't get it.

Speaker 1: 53:25

Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2: 53:26

I couldn't find it online but that's what I mean.

Speaker 1: 53:28

Like back then you made like that one film where it was like oh, we've got a film, like there's a film made about here. We couldn't believe it. And now they're starting to do like Blue Lights, like these shows are going on, like are starting to go on to do mass things, like we've singers like Nick Hepp who are making films and they're going to do you know what I mean. Look at the awards they're winning, look at the awards they're picking up and they even actors we were in Florida and we seen what's that one with blue lights?

Speaker 2: 54:00

and there was another one that was recorded up in Donahue D, like the and you're, you're, like that's, that's people that we know.

Speaker 1: 54:10

Yeah that's, that's there, and it's just a wee small and you're away on a different side of the world. That's the main, if you're watching other people on the other side of the world you're watching as well. I mean, that's unreal. Just before we finish up, is there? Do you want to specify where you're gig or want to bring anyone down to watch? We're just doing a lot of.

Speaker 2: 54:29

Just keep an eye on the social media. Yeah, I'm just so grateful. And new year, I want to thank, like, everyone that supported me. Uh, the battle is over. Christmas is over for another year. I think, by the time this goes out, everyone has passed me in the town, everyone has bought an album, all the bars that have supported me um, there's especially, like you know, the ones in belfast, you know, because there's so much competition, there's so much choice. Yeah, as far as musicians go, it's and I don't do loads of gigs in bars and stuff, but anyone that does book me, I really do appreciate it and it's just good to be here, it's good to be on podcasts with people like yourself and just it's good to hear it's.

Speaker 1: 55:15

It's interesting to me as well.

Speaker 2: 55:17

I'm just looking forward to seeing how you progress and grow over the next couple of years. I know you've got a busy, busy schedule ahead of you with the podcast and then boxing, I've got a fight coming up. I'm never in, I'm sick.

Speaker 1: 55:32

I know can't catch a break from boxing, but I know thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2: 55:36

Thanks and have a good new year to everyone. Look after each other look after your own exactly. Look after your own exactly have a good day.

Speaker 1: 55:44

Thanks for coming on.