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The Public Nuisance Podcast
Host Sean McComb interviews various guests
The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #009 “Post Carb Clarity” with Garrett Smylie
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome Muay Thai fighter, Garrett Smylie to the podcast
We cover Scraps, Juicing in Sports, Steroids, BFast, Boxing, Lockdown, May Thai, The Fighting Scene, MMA, Sparring in the Garage, Paul Hughes, Fight Night 2002, When Someone Gets On Top and much more.
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The Public News Ins, sean McCann. Welcome to this episode of the Public News Ins podcast, the very first of 2025. From Killin Studios, where you can get all your content shot right here, from podcasts to photo shoots, you name it, we've got it. Our guest today. Today, the very own, my Thai spices, gareth.
Speaker 2:Sreely, what's happening, all good bro all quiet lads cheers for coming in. Yeah, thank you very much. It's Sunday. It was Sunday I was talking to your father?
Speaker 1:I asked about it.
Speaker 2:I know everything's closed.
Speaker 1:Now, we were driving in there and there was no traffic. It was good. Good drive. Tell us what's happened with you. Good Christmas.
Speaker 2:Good Christmas. We were a wee chill one. A wee chill one. I've only had a few swaths on Christmas Day, a few whiskies.
Speaker 1:Whiskies.
Speaker 2:I've done another drink 100%. I can only afford a drink once a year, for fuck's sake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fucking whisky. I mean it gives me like I would drink whisky too, like Jameson, like oh, wow. But my, my, I remember during lockdown I was flat out on the whiskey, just drinking whiskey, flat out because I was. I was a fuck during lockdown. I did not know I was drinking beer because I've got. I bought like a, a beer pump, basically off Paddy Austin all the gear like the fucking, the cooler box and the pump, and he cleaned it all out and set it off for me and we were having street parties, my wee cul-de-sac bingo.
Speaker 2:we were all playing bingo and I had a cage and I was the fack.
Speaker 1:I was the heaviest of us. I'm not drinking. I'm not drinking. No more pints, because it was, it was at the front door it was every night fucking playing bingo on, fucking on Facebook or else on our street. I was a fuck.
Speaker 2:Don't stop drinking BM's just stuff it in whiskies and just keep the calories down, I can't drink anything else fucks sake, I was murdering my house every night. I was strangling my sister and all.
Speaker 1:I was like hey, fucking, I was gone it brings out the demons.
Speaker 2:It brings out the demons. It brings out the demons. Oh fuck, I'm happy, Judy Especially when you just go all over with your shibby drinking, like you know what I mean. But ah, I can't drink football, else I took my Medicare sort of more so than that, Like lockdown.
Speaker 1:Lockdown Training with Mark yeah door sessions See when you think about it like it was just freedom? There was no like you, didn't have to be anywhere at a certain time. Aye 100%, we could just rack up and train like go to a park.
Speaker 2:There's nothing else to do like aye, 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1:Who was it? Me, you, Paul.
Speaker 2:Willie, willie, I remember Willie, I remember Willie.
Speaker 1:It was just. It was just basically just all the lads I mean obviously like fucking Paul and all is doing. He's flying now. He's always sort of new, isn't he Like I remember we used to do the parkruns and I'd have won, and he was still celebrating like he won they got self-taught and his man was just like visualising that he won. I didn't know, I won.
Speaker 2:One time we did the intervals, mark had us doing the intervals in the graveyard, graveyard, the top row, and say we were doing like sets of six minute rest, set of six minute rest, set of sex, and so it's 18 reps. Say I beat him. I beat him like name number, something great, and this is the only ever time I beat him like that much times, right, and we went when it all the gym afterwards and then I like some Paul's Instagram. He didn't come up, he was down in the graveyard on his Instagram just sitting here reflecting on my own mortality. You know I was going as f***ing mad as f***s who he is, but you need that mindset.
Speaker 1:You need that mindset, you do. You need that mindset. He has like a, he's just, he's so like he works.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what I mean. 100% it comes from somewhere like do you mean the heart he?
Speaker 1:works like the confidence comes from the work he puts in because he doesn't. He doesn't like he remember the time when we were training. I think it might have been the first time he lost in in Caves Warriors he came back and he started doing Puchinich, was it? Maybe. Ah yes, was it?
Speaker 2:he started doing the mad long runs like 10, 8 runs and my mum was like what?
Speaker 1:are you doing?
Speaker 2:and I'm like I just want just the vap, he's being mad angry.
Speaker 1:Just go and train and train and train harder and it's obviously paying off now, like that was a good, that was a close fight.
Speaker 2:You see as well, and people can go in a few ways. You can't.
Speaker 1:I can knock people harder to people as well sometimes, or that'd happen again though, like I'd work extra hard this time, even though he was working extremely hard before, like you know what I mean. But it's great to see and obviously, nah, he's fucking out there massive he's got a big fight here.
Speaker 2:Massive platform, he's got a big fight here.
Speaker 1:You going to date, nah nah, I'd love to go, but I was actually going to book book it for for Christmas. I was like, no, I'll definitely be good now. And then I've just Heard that I could potentially Be fighting myself In February, like two weeks after. So it doesn't work well, but Fucking.
Speaker 2:I feel like I think I'm fighting in February as well. So just a few things going on, that's exactly. But if I'm not in Arizona With Daphne Gover, because I'll be some, I'll be some fight like.
Speaker 1:I'll be lethal like the same dude wouldn't be classed the same dude especially against them.
Speaker 2:Russians, bro, see them Dagestanis juiced up.
Speaker 1:I don't like them, bro that makes it even more sweeter when you can beat them.
Speaker 2:They're juiced to hell, they've all popped who like aye? He's been caught, him Islam. There's another one, umar or something, I think you call him as well, they've all been caught they're still the big heavyweight. The guy from the UFC, he's a daggister as well.
Speaker 1:They need the. That's right, they need the. That's why the ban needs to be like a lifetime ban. Aye, because, no matter what, like I feel, obviously there's so many platforms in, yeah, mixed martial arts, yeah, like so many platforms across like you've got fucking PFL, now you've Balto.
Speaker 2:UFC, pfl now you've Balto UFC you've got loads different platforms and there's new ones all coming through as well.
Speaker 1:I actually seen one yesterday. Someone sent in the our group chat saying there was a new one coming as well. There must be some money in it, because there was a big list of serious fighters.
Speaker 2:I've seen it out there. I've seen it out there. Forget the name of it, but I've got something as well there must.
Speaker 1:That's because it's grown as a sport and so many people are showing interest in it. But I just feel like if you cheat in one of the end platforms, you should be banned across all platforms and same with boxing. Boxing is just as bad. I would say 95% of world champions are choosing Definitely One hundred percent, same as Mu my time as well.
Speaker 2:My time is definitely getting bad for it, like this new only choosing one FC and there was a wee guy, ellis Barbosa. He's like a wee English guy, but he just got banned, like say about under a year ago now. 6 month ban was scooped, choosing, came back. He wasn't really good before. Then. He started winning a few fights, got scooped, juicing, six month ban. Then he came back, won one fight and then now he's getting a title shot and it's like Where's the Deterrent for people to take it Like here you take juice.
Speaker 1:Take a wee six month ban, exactly. You get a reward for it. Do you know what I mean? It's just like it's fucking. I think across all Like, especially sport, where you're can hurt someone. When you hurt someone, you kill people like you know what I mean. It's fucking. It's ridiculous to think like like I definitely know, boxing's full of it. Full of it, there's not enough like punishment's not enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what did you call me Icon or Ben. Icon or Ben, there's ways we're in it and then they're saying oh, it's BS, I'm walking, that's just a back on the money, a back on there exactly, it's fucking brutal. But to think, like you can cheat, you're buying for six months and then Do a course.
Speaker 1:You're straight back in the middle and you come back better and stronger because you've just fucking, you've been off the curriculum, you've been off the system, you've been tested for six months because, and then you just come back and just if you have a promoter who's going to back you like the way Ali Hearn backed Conor Benn you fucking there's no reason not to look exactly. And Ali Hearn's smart because he's backing Conor Benn, because he knows if he gets back he can make him big money big business money. Big big fights, the E-Bank fight.
Speaker 2:There's big fights that are for him remember Bruce and Lewis remember they were going to fight each other 100%, that'd be some scrap, that'd be a good fight.
Speaker 1:But like, obviously they're both the A's clash and they're both. They're both come forward fighters, that'd be very good one fighter, juice the hills and the other one's see, we don't have the fucking resources nah, it's not like you know what I mean. They should just open up their pool and say that everyone juice and see whoever juices the best and can box the best.
Speaker 2:It's a level playing field that's another way you could look at it. I've had people text me because I'm I would always as well, so people's always texting me about it and stuff and they're saying like he was actually moving potty bunch he was saying to me like why? Why do you disagree with it? And I was like because it's not like a level playing field, because it's like expensive, obviously, and not everyone's on the same type of door has the same backing from like maybe a good family or something like that there.
Speaker 2:Do you mean so? Like not everyone has access to, like the higher quality supplements, or juice or whatever I mean.
Speaker 1:So like people in the labs and like over in russia, they're just going to the labs literally just fucking just doing what they need to do, like testing on people, like like trying new stuff out all the time no signal and she's.
Speaker 1:Well, you know what I found out as well. See, in Russia they get, see if there's people coming in to test them, and some of the outside, yeah, they're made to worry right away that there's people coming in. So like people flying in, say, from America to test them or like whoever the like, like the world, say water open agency right, they're notified that someone from the United States is coming in, but see if it's a Russian who worked for the WADA.
Speaker 1:They're just. They're just kept quiet like sure. Fucking Putin and everything was behind it on that show, argyris or something Argyris, argyris so like there's no way that they can you know what I mean like you need to apply for a visa if you want to fly from here to Russia to test someone as part of WADA and as soon as you apply for a visa, they're coming to test you bang, and they just like when you used to get an inspector in school back in the day.
Speaker 2:They were like real big inspector coming in.
Speaker 1:That's what it is on your best behaviour for half an hour but I couldn't do it myself.
Speaker 2:I would just struggle with the moral sort of side of it. I know what I said, even if I say I started juicing or whatever, it does make a big difference to how hard you can train, how often you can train so hard, yeah, and then obviously it goes into your performance, even if I obviously started winning big fights. Then you blow up and all I would be like fuck me, if I didn't take this, would I be here?
Speaker 1:would you be here with all that grist and all that? I wouldn't like that there. No, no, no. That's exactly the same same as me. I just prefer to just know that I've worked my balls off and I'm good enough to compete in that level with Rax.
Speaker 2:But see something I have in team I've fought a few guys who I know have been taking steroids and I'm like all the better when I actually shut the hell out of them.
Speaker 1:I know for a fact I can still beat them because it's because it's skill at the end of the day it's like IQ and skill as much as it is physical. Yes, but if you're going to fade someone, you do have to get that mindset that you're better than them, do you know?
Speaker 2:what I mean. So I always believe as well that I can handle an oil juice head no problem.
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Speaker 2:It can hurt anyone too with a body shot, with a head shot. Do you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean it doesn't prevent that, it just gives you that physical edge and that.
Speaker 2:But then if you get the legs, of us, juice on top of the IQ. You know what? I mean, bro, we'd be murderers, dangerous, dangerous locked up fucks sake, lock me up. Oh, fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1:And then see with the Muay Thai, do you feel like it's Like with Muay Thai? Do you feel like it's like, do you think it goes under the radar in terms of like the fighting?
Speaker 2:scene why?
Speaker 1:Because like.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't have even probably knew what Muay Thai was, would you, until I met you?
Speaker 1:You were probably the only person I've ever heard of ever doing Muay Thai until I met you and now. But I do feel like obviously there was a few shows in the dad and stuff and I just feel like obviously there was a few shows and I just feel like the amount of people saying it was so fucking entertaining I mean, live Muay Thai.
Speaker 2:I always talk about this. See, live Muay Thai. There's no sport as entertaining as actually live Muay Thai. I love watching boxing MMA too. I love watching MMA as well. But like, see, if you're talking pure entertainment, like because there's no, like there's nowhere to not, there's nowhere to hide in MMA, I think like out there that's the bit disrespectful, but the grappling and stuff it can be slow.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. From the floor, nothing happens. See in Muay Thai like it's just constant clashes yeah, you know, even in boxing people hold and all and hold and it's messy. Or even in Muay Thai, it's just pure like boom, boom, pure training there's like a new bit of Muay Thai.
Speaker 2:The reason the Muay Thai was held back for so long was because it's a traditional, like martial art. So there's like this whole big rigmarole, there's like a dance before some people do, like Thais mostly do called like a Y crew. So the ring to like blast it and all because, like where it comes from, that's all still in it.
Speaker 2:Then there's music playing when yous are fighting and stuff like that. That's all sort of held it back, but there's like a new sort of wave of Muay Thai coming through now and they're actually doing it in MMA gloves, yeah, and it since it started, it's really like blew it up was you the at?
Speaker 1:That's the goalie.
Speaker 2:But then you're getting. It's not even like my time anymore. There's no clinching. They'll stop you clinching Right away. Yeah, and, as I said, it's in small gloves, there's no music or anything, and it's like three, threes. So it's like short, and fast, fast. There's barely any kicking too. Does that shoot you? I like punching, I like punching. I like left kicking. Someone told me.
Speaker 1:I here it was or it was later now. I asked one of you like how do you score? And they were saying like a punch doesn't really score.
Speaker 2:And no one were they well, it's like it's all damage. It's all damage is first like superficial and like visible damage, like so if I hit you and like you, rock you back, it looks like it hurt. So I would score. If you hit me like 10 punches and they're the wee, like shit ones, and I hit you a big one, that's going to go more, oh I see, yeah, but if you like kick me ten times in the shit and I punch you and it knocks you back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's scored more. I mean it's all about damage and stuff like that there, but people would like especially traditional, like Georgia judges and stuff would score kicks like away, hard, hard just because it's obviously what it's about. I like to do a bit of both. I like to do a bit of both and it's going, it's definitely going to you.
Speaker 2:I'd actually see the past three years, I'd say especially. It's gotten. It's gotten way bigger, even in Belfast as well. Lots more people, our gym now. When I started I was taking the beginners classes when I was a bit younger, jimmy just put me on them and they gave me my trainer for free. Yeah, and there was about six, seven people, eight to ten. On a proper good night, like in Seen Eye mate, there's like 30, 40 people on the mat, serious, yeah, mate, and every night this is like do you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, oh, there's loads of people like a few of my mates even go like.
Speaker 2:It seems like boxing as well. They're letting a bit of steam off and stuff as well.
Speaker 1:So it is good that way like. So it is her gym, her brother told me he used to go. He says I used to tell him like you were coming on here and he was like.
Speaker 2:He always used to organise like spars in his carries or something oh yeah, in school he was like in school, when we were all kids used to get people you see the plug at the primary school and he, sex, started the PCS. I first, first ever combat sports I saw is I have to be brush. Calvin, see me. And they always watch UFC from Lake back before anyone knew about it, like we were watching a day from way back in the day in my ground. I stuff, and so I loved it, me, my, me, a piercing leave used to play football at my girl. He's back in London, theun, the garages in Lanadun, and I was like why don't we start fighting, like me and you and he was game 4 too. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:so he was like me and him started fighting each other and then we started like sometimes we'd have people around for a kick about after school. So we were in any piece of piece of it and it ended up the whole of piece 6, so you're not laval. I got the same wee, weebers and all not laval but the whole of piece 6 and the whole of piece 7. I had them out my granny's back, people standing on top of the garages watching fights I was organising and all my granny used to come round.
Speaker 1:We used to go get the football quickly and you should have had a camera in there.
Speaker 2:You didn't load it, we'd have made a phone I swear to god probably got locked up in the living room.
Speaker 1:You two boys consent phones on the way into your granny's house.
Speaker 2:I've always loved that there'd be two guys agreeing for an outscrap. That's great you have a weird old thing after you fight someone too.
Speaker 1:You know yourself there's a bond if you're closer to someone. It's like you know what I mean big time. Because even whenever, if you go to spar someone in a different club, you know like walking into a new club in a new environment it's a wee bit intimidating. Oh why you know like you're walking into a new club and you're like everyone's looking at you like you're fucking.
Speaker 2:You're an outsider you're like what's happening where were you having all the noise coming in? I remember when I remember being a new spar one time in the unit with Sam he was over and Owen O'Neill and then Paddy.
Speaker 1:Calder was there with the full squad there. That was like Christmas time, aye aye.
Speaker 2:Before that it was all like I thought the thing in the room I obviously knew you already before and all but I was going.
Speaker 1:It just changes the atmosphere in the room when you know you're going to get in and I had sparred you a few times before.
Speaker 2:There were only a few rounds, obviously, but I hadn't sparred him on Sam and everyone was out here in front of everyone because there was a good squad watching us that day. A good squad, and that's why it's a wee bit intimidating, oh my god mate, and see a few of his punches like whistle past my dumb ass like holy shit dude, but it was a good spot, such a spot I remember watching you two going fuck way that's actually such a spot.
Speaker 1:You were style suited, like both of you were style suited because you were like you don't move around, so it was like good action.
Speaker 2:you were a slant bum Seeing him stand bump see, and I'm boxing with boxers, see, if I fight with multi-fighters or I will move movements like and stepping off the side and stuff and we feints and stuff like footwork you would get in boxing. I would use that against multi-fighters. But see, and I'm doing it against boxers, I'll be halfway through stepping and they'll punch me so I'm like off balance, so Just plant your feet just stay middle distance and just lean because you're a good distance leaner Aye 100%.
Speaker 1:I've had a few times where I've just think you're in range because your stance is like A bit more narrow, Aye, more narrow when you're face on, but then you can lean more Aye 100% so it's like you always fall short on counter. We've had a few spars, haven't we? I've had a couple of good spars. I've always enjoyed sparring, really, and even like Paul. Paul was shorter than us, but he always used to spar with us too.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, we've done some good rounds A few years ago, didn't we?
Speaker 1:Some amount of names has been in the car. Aye, that's alright, big Paddy McCrory and all Big Paddy.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, 100% Joe McCogan.
Speaker 2:Joe McCogan there's all thanks to Donner. See my boxing. Any skill that I do have of throwing hands, I'm footwork and feints, which people don't use in Muay Thai. Muay Thai is just standing in front of each other. I would have accredit it all to Donner. He's such a good coach, especially for I've talked a bit about boxing with traditional boxing coaches over the years and always trying to change your stance and change this and that. But see, donard just has, obviously, mma fighters and all so he just knows the legality yeah, that is, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:That's the best way to go about it, because people need to be comfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah you're not going to change. You're not going to change, you have to start, and start, then, if you're going to change someone's stance, because that's where it all comes from. I mean any shot, what I mean, any shot I throw. I throw from what way I stand, and you've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 1:Exactly, You're not going to change now. This is.
Speaker 2:Donard has. Oh my God, he's brought me, and now as well, like now. Before he started with Donard was like a good, good mojita. He had a against people who are smaller just banging him, but now he's like fainting and all he's not fainting stepping back and all. Do you know what I mean? Like it's when you do that shit. In my head it's like what the hell did he just do?
Speaker 1:because people don't use it, because it's just like, as you said, it's like a just pure horror man sport yeah, just stand in.
Speaker 2:We hit each other like say you hit me 90 times, I hit you 80 times, you've hit me way more like 90 times, but because I can hit you 80, I'm still in the fight in my mind, whereas if you hit me 12 times and I haven't hit you once, that does way more damage mentally to someone. So I think when you play Muay Thai like that, I've felt it way easier to stop people yeah, people just fall on their like they give up, we give up.
Speaker 1:I exactly start getting frustrated and they give.
Speaker 2:You can see it oh, I can feel it too.
Speaker 1:When someone's like give up deflated, we're saying like about Sam and I when I fought Sam, I just remember like this sick, sick friend or something. I just see him and I was like he's just given up.
Speaker 2:You can tell it's class. You're like fuck me. Thank god, that's really thought time. I forgot all about that.
Speaker 1:I was like fuck me. Thank god he's given up because it gives you a wee bit of like freedom to go and just relax. I wasn't going looking at him. He's my mate as well.
Speaker 2:I was going to say you fighting. Obviously you've done a lot of rounds.
Speaker 1:I've sparred loads of rounds. It's not a truth. No, this is another thing for me, see like see sparring and fighting. They're just two different things you've big gloves, you've headgear, you've equipment on. When you're sparring, me and Sam had lethal spars. He had one, some of them, but it was in a smaller ring and you're not suited to him more. And then the weight difference when you're walking around sparring is like he can be sitting 74, 75 kilos and I'm walking around 68 69, 70 but he's strong, he's big, he's physical.
Speaker 1:Once you get in, the weigh in and just both weigh in the same. There's only so much you can put on after the fight. I don't put on that much, but he definitely can't put on that much as he does when he's sparring, and the physicality isn't the same. So and then you've no headgear on, you've smaller gloves. People are a wee bit more aware of getting hit or afraid of getting hit.
Speaker 1:So like with gloves on, big gloves and big headgears and big equipment on. You know, you I mean, but in a ring with small gloves on, you're not, you're like there's more nerves as well.
Speaker 2:Even if you're not nervous or too nervous, there's more nerves. So if you faint the job, people will battle a lot more they'll react, they'll get a reaction.
Speaker 1:It is different, so it's completely different it's good, like I feel anyone I've ever ever sparred, I've beaten them and I just know, because I know of a better box, like yeah, I don't even know what, what kind of parks and iq, like the opponent the sport has, but I just know it, I just have full belief my box, like I'll figure them out, and then it's a bigger ring, it's just it.
Speaker 2:Just it always shoots me and there's people obviously there's people like who are unbelievable in the gym, but they the whole like like native fates and all and people's on the drink and all around the ring and all and there's change now and before. Like people like are world beaters in the gym, but like they just can't put it together yeah, it's not even.
Speaker 2:They might still win fates and all, but they're just. You see, people, they're like the gym, like you do. You mean, if you did that, the ring on a night of a fight, you'd be?
Speaker 1:yeah yeah, top level, like the people who just showed you like, there's no difference, it's just the environment some people can't handle it. You're gonna like. I remember I've said this a few times potty mccrory. I was fighting in the ulster hall. I was on just before potter and he was like laughing at me, going like fuck me, how are you even fighting here? I was like why, he, why? And he's like you're just, I was just walking around the changing room just joking and laughing, just lying under.
Speaker 1:We're all standing laughing. He's like that's fucking insane, like you're fighting in about nine minutes and there's not a fucking worry, are you? Some people yeah there's no difference, all the work's done. I just switch on and.
Speaker 2:I know the more to do and I just get serious, yeah, but like I, just I need to be joking and having a laugh and just doing my normal shit that I do in the gym all the time, it's just if you get too serious, like two, three hours out, like think about if you're going into sport, like if you were sitting about it just thinking all day about it you're not going team rooms as well. There's always good atmosphere whenever all the boys are fighting too.
Speaker 1:I know when everyone else is there, it's like you can just. It just takes you, it takes your mind off it, there's not much more you can think about.
Speaker 2:You can't do anything.
Speaker 1:That's fair see like when I'm out, see like fake day if I I weigh in the night before, usually for boxing, I go to bed that night and I'll just think about tactics one final time I'll just go for tactics my head and bed, and bed and bang and start visualising what's going to happen and you can't stay awake, can't you?
Speaker 1:you can't stay awake and then bum your leg out the thinking's done the next day. You're in there because, help, remember, you have like a 10-week camp or whatever eight we can, or every day for him at weeks. You're trying to like, you're trying to do what you're going to make happen that, yeah, in the ring. You know what I mean. So there's literally nothing else you can do. Yeah, there's nothing about while you're in the changing room yeah, it's going to change, that's going to change anything I remember I thought I lost with Gavin Gwynne.
Speaker 1:Like Danny didn't show up, he was in Dubai and his son, tom, was in charge but he was just nervous and he was just like, and I was just going like relax and I just kept doing it and it started to annoy me. I was like just fucking relax, chill out like this is just like relax.
Speaker 2:That's why it's important but he's nervous because he's a coach.
Speaker 2:He's first team in the corner and I was just going fuck, this is doing my head and I don't want to be here like this is just that's why a good corner team is important, because they know, like my corner team, davey, davey Mack, jamie Crawford and now would usually do my corner and we've been sitting there before loads of fights now, so we just know it's an hour, whereas if you're sitting there with someone and they're, as you said, up the high door, you're starting to go fuck me.
Speaker 1:I just relax. I don't know it does your head. I'm just boxing all day. I don't need you, I'm just relaxing.
Speaker 2:I've seen coaches as well back to these like tunnel fighters stuff to do and you're like there's no way he's gonna remember it.
Speaker 1:I know no way you know what I mean. It's just you have to. That's why I think it's important to stick to what you've been training to do.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean, like you're trying to teach him new shit and you're like he's gonna go in here and throw a jab and do a kick Three or four hangs.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You know what I mean. Muscle memory as well. Exactly, muscle memory just kicks in. Yeah, you just go to what you know. In fact, you do what you know.
Speaker 2:So what you know you have to do good, you have to be drawn in for, as you say, four weeks out, like because that's where the visualization comes from.
Speaker 1:You can't get the visualization. It's going to happen, and that's what's going to happen. And then, when it does happen, you're like fuck. But it's only happened because you've done it so many times exactly over the course of a camp. It doesn't happen because you've thought about it before the fight.
Speaker 2:It's like when the praise came.
Speaker 1:Fuck I'm going to win the praise game. I'm going to be a millionaire. I'm going to be a fucksake, fucksake.
Speaker 2:What would you see when you're fighting, like of fighting my first few fights, like I just blacked out completely, like I cannot remember them at all.
Speaker 1:Your first few. You can't remember my first few fights I cannot like.
Speaker 2:After them I was like what even happened there? Like it was just going to like a big. Then after that I tried to control it a bit more when I was fighting. But I felt when I tried to like control it it wasn't. I didn't fight as good. Yeah, so see, now when I'm fighting, I've got a bit more experience. Now I just completely let go and you don't really have to even think, as you were talking about earlier, would you feel?
Speaker 1:the same type way. I know someone at the minute if Pete tells me to do something, I do it there and then and that's. It see, if Pete goes Sean, you need to. You need to feint your body goes Sean, you need to throw like. You need to feint the body and come up with a left hand and finish with a right hook.
Speaker 2:I'll do it. It's taking me as well as sitting with a controller. Yeah, that's the way.
Speaker 1:It's the best thing it's that trust in your coach you have to if he tells me to fucking throw four left hands in a row.
Speaker 2:I'll throw four left hands in a row.
Speaker 1:You're doing real. And he look what he can see from outside there and I can't see in the ring. So I'll just trap. And if there was no, trust.
Speaker 2:You wouldn't be able to, you wouldn't? You'd be second guessing it needs to be like. They're literally having control 100.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean. He would have such a good. He would have such a good like iq yeah, he's like a word, something like a moth tower or champion and stuff from Scotland, does all his training in Leeds in England, which is like a real good hotspot for Muay Thai, and then just moved here with his missus and his kids and then he came to like about about nine years ago now and Jamie Crawford, our actual like head coach yeah, jamie's good at like he'll get you murder your own pods like can get you tired like nothing I've ever experienced like see five, six rounds of Jamie you'd be missed.
Speaker 2:So we never. We never like we're blowing out our holes in fights, we're never getting tired or anything like do you know, what I mean. But see with Davey who's came along like, see the, the like mind he see the mind he has for Muay Thai, like he has a proper good eye and see how easy he's made it for us.
Speaker 2:Like me and Nell the beat guys, like top level guys. Obviously me and Nell we fight these days, like, as you said, see when I'm in the ring fighting like he says something and I just do it easy. Like see having that trust in someone like.
Speaker 1:I would say something I've. Obviously. Mickey Hawkins was always my amateur coach, like someone who I've.
Speaker 1:He fucking, he had me from I was 8 years of age till I was 25 or 26 when I turned pro and that was the trust I always had. I only had one corner man my whole life and that was just trust. And then the turn pro was always crazy stuff on the Irish team and all even like Razaar, who's Ireland's head coach, and he's an unbelievable coach, like he's just taught Irish boxing from here to here, like on an international stage. But I still question why, like, why, why, I know like why, even then, yeah, but with Pete and I it's just like over the years of training and developing as a fighter, I feel I can do anything now I can throw any punch you can can feel any distance.
Speaker 1:I can feel close distance, middle distance, long distance. I can move and if Pete asks me to do something, I'll just do it.
Speaker 2:You don't even second guess, it Just do it.
Speaker 1:And it's a good place to be, when you're a fader, to have that in your corner, and I feel if you don't have that, you need to start considering it oh. Jesus, I'm missing the limb You're considering. You need to start considering.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:Like why the fuck am I not? So that's Like Pete's now moved to Amsterdam. I was telling you before I'm going to fly out to Amsterdam tomorrow, start my camp when Pete says to me he's going to move to Amsterdam or he's Considered moving to Amsterdam After Christmas. I think he was. He didn't tell me for ages but I knew about it because he was over back and forth a few times anyway. So but I think he was a wee bit worried that I might not go with him because obviously I've got like a chain.
Speaker 2:I've got the gym and all, and I just went. I ain't going with you.
Speaker 1:I got out for a couple of years. They left to give me a sport and.
Speaker 2:I'm staying with you else I really trust nah, and it's gonna take time to defend someone and then to build a relationship on top of it you don't have no fucking thing at all. Do you know what I mean? I?
Speaker 1:know, I would say there's probably about two, two or three. Nah, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:I feel fucking young, I feel fresh to death but there's a time where it'll just go. You see side of the watch. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:see like people feel, like they like. I don't think people well, I don't understand if people know themselves when they're done. Yeah, but since I started getting beat up and sparring, I ain't done I ain't saying the Pete, pete, see you later enjoy it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like see you're starting to get hit and starting to lose spars. You're starting to get hurt in sparring. I ain't going to fuck this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or people who you're sparring before, if you're doing really well against them in rounds, if you feel like, say, you do 10 rounds sparring and you used to not win or whatever, but you used to maybe win 9 or 10 rounds and then now you're.
Speaker 1:If you know you'd have to, I can understand if people can't see it I think it's just hard to walk away, because like the buzz of the faith, is class time. I know what it is obviously like over the years. Like you, obviously you look at the pinnacle of sports. Say, for example, roy jones jr, who was like five time different weight world champion and he was beating everyone and then all of a sudden he's getting beat by decades. Why is he considered? Why is he still doing it?
Speaker 2:it's because not for the money. I just can't get away from it because they have the dough but it's just like nothing. No money in the world or whatever can't get you that same feeling like as winning the fight or being in the fight like that's.
Speaker 1:That's an amazing feeling, I love that it's a buzz of like see, every time I love the crack in the chain room before an NC. Whenever the call my name gets called out, the music's playing and all and I'm in the zone. That's when I switch on. I go to myself what the fuck am I?
Speaker 2:doing here? There's always that thought.
Speaker 1:Why am I here?
Speaker 2:There's always that thought across your mind and see after and it's like wow. That's why I'm there.
Speaker 1:No matter, like you're just, you're just a dick that they have a fucking feeling it's a drug like it's like a drug itself.
Speaker 2:As you say, win or lose. See if you go in and give a good account of yourself like a good performance.
Speaker 1:You're just like unbelievable, and that's what it's all about.
Speaker 2:Like it's fucking.
Speaker 2:Especially, though, see to be fair, like see with boxing, like I would say, the whole losses on a boxer is like at their limits where the sport can go, because people are too busy picking fights to think they can win instead of like see Muay Thai, see the best Muay Thai fighters in the world, like Rod Tang Superlack, all these Thais. They all have 320 wins and like 50-60 losses. They have more losses than what most fighters have fights yeah, 100%, and then nobody's like the best fighters have fought each other like 6-7 times, so there's no like home, loop out and all do you mean?
Speaker 2:I think of boxing, obviously, with Mayweather coming and doing that undefeated thing. Everyone's trying to copy that there and it is good for business. But how good is it for business?
Speaker 1:because it's You're stopping the good fights from happening. I think, if you still look at Mayweather, like obviously he done it, but Mayweather fought some serious names, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:He was beating the best, he done it the hard way, but then you've got people who couldn't do it, but then handpicked fights. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I don't like it either. I think boxing's the worst shit for it. Oh yeah, losing and people like to interview with, like me, like some media, like I can't remember it was afl or something. I was, like I was, I didn't get in. I didn't turn professional boxing. I didn't turn professional boxing to be undefeated. Yeah, I didn't turn it. Yeah, I turned professional boxing. I turned into a professional boxer the one over here. Yeah, it's still the same goal. Yeah and like and I want to keep it's the same goal that is start getting beat up in sport.
Speaker 1:I'm like fuck this.
Speaker 2:You get boxers I know boxers and they get in and whatever. Like 15 pro fights before they have a hard one.
Speaker 1:I know that's fucking madness. I had like a couple like my 4th fight, my 4th fight like I was fighting. I fought like the Hungarian, the Iceland champion and people were like what the fuck are you fighting him?
Speaker 2:for that's what he's gonna do, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest with you. I fought him in a wee small ring in the in the Titanic fucking exhibition center big, massive like warehouse, and it was a fucking hard fight it was a wee small ring and I remember going what the fuck?
Speaker 1:and he fucking whacked me a couple of. He hit me a body shot like he was just big, like he was just an awkward. Yeah, he didn't care, but but now don't get me wrong. He had, like he had, a winning record. He had like 20 wins and like 9 losses, but he wasn't a journeyman.
Speaker 2:People would look at him boxing and go he wasn't a journeyman. Oh, he must be shit, whereas he's like no, he's journeyman.
Speaker 1:Like he beat steve norman and all, like he was a good fighter.
Speaker 2:He just fought like top level opponents and if your goal is, as a fighter, to like, grow and get better and eventually win a world title, as you said, like, how much more do the end fights do for you than fighting some who in egypt who's like I know? Two wins in 18, 20, exactly 30 losses like it doesn't even, and you get see this. See the same six, seven, eight weeks. You, it just doesn't even. And you get See the same 6, 7, 8 weeks. You put in the training for a fight, you get all the same damage done to your body. So you may as well roll the dice against somebody good, even like Lama Tango as well. He got beaten in one of his first three fights or something His third fight.
Speaker 2:Beat the eye, paddy Barnes, done it, paddy Barnes as well.
Speaker 1:Paddy Barnes won a European title in his third fight, and in his fifth fight he fought for world title. In his sixth fight he got stabbed.
Speaker 2:He didn't cry, he's like so fucked. Oh, exactly that's the attitude that more people do.
Speaker 1:Paddy is like he's like so fucked, he's like he's got that mindset where he's like you made it or made it for it. I, you know the top level. But obviously amateur boxing, professional boxing, is just two different sports. But it's like having the balls or just I do meet the people I know, like on a personal level who's knocked back massive fights. That's insane and like what the are you boxing for? Why are you? What are you in this sport for?
Speaker 2:I'm not ready yet right.
Speaker 1:Yet how do you know?
Speaker 2:you're not ready yet oh, I hardly know you're ever going to be ready as well.
Speaker 1:You're never going to be ready to keep taking fucking shit fights, whereas I'd beat your fucking hand off for like a big fight as yourself would like. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:100%. They're the ones that make you like train hard. That's annoying. I always say bum, like I honestly wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I need to have like this guy made do me in it gives you a little bit of like urgency or like right, I need to be doing things right here.
Speaker 2:No, and one of them fights like my god feels unbelievable, like I wouldn't get an adrenaline rush if I beat someone who I knew was going to be anyway. I genuinely wouldn't do it I know exactly, yeah, my first.
Speaker 1:I think it was two or three fights with that kid and I was just like it wasn't even doesn't even feel like anything.
Speaker 1:It wasn't even I was saying, like people were all like interviews before the fight, how did camp go? I was like I'm not in camp for a fight, I'm just in camp for my career. Oh, I, 100%. This is just. I'm not on a training camp for this fate where there's like tactics yeah, there's no tactics. Yeah, I'm just trying to Just go out in a box. I'm trying to progress into being a amateur yeah like the transition, the transition into being an amateur and the professional. But I'm not training for this fate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm training for when it matters, what comes out there, what I mean, what comes out.
Speaker 1:When I got there, it was only like three or four fights, fighting journeymen, and I just wanted to progress like straight away and, like you say, like I remember, even when I fought I'm going. I sparred you, I won. Spar for a fight, me sparred.
Speaker 2:Martin Day, that's right. Remember out there, I was a kid, remember me, or it was Camden Martin.
Speaker 1:They were standing getting black they said that's one saying Like Cause it was lockdown as well, although Like there was no one in Glasgow when I could spar with, for no one was sparring, no one was doing anything. So I was like I need to get a spar. I have no spars and I sparred you. We done six rounds in the unit In boxing day and I was fucking.
Speaker 2:On the paints.
Speaker 1:On the paints. Me and you were in Pons of Fockley.
Speaker 2:Tour. That would be classic, I know.
Speaker 1:Same thing again. I'd be on the little camera and look back now on the archives fucking be classic, because some of my own spars in there were fucking classic.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was a good spot, wasn't?
Speaker 1:it. It was alright Good unit I loved that there.
Speaker 2:It as well. You know what I mean. As we were talking about all them athletes like fighters like me. You, paul, paddy, cale John Boy would have been there as well, but then you had like just normal people in.
Speaker 1:I know normal people just in the section who would do crack.
Speaker 2:you know what I mean who were pretty crack like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:And then even like Daniel used to do the, was it a Thursday afternoon, he used to do the fighters class and you would have had all sorts of boxing MMA fighters killing everyone was up and just it was just. Everyone was just going around each other and weight and size didn't matter because it was all like controlled, so like the good thing about like good level fighters? There's no, no one takes liberties, they all have a mutual understanding.
Speaker 2:It's like point to prove it.
Speaker 1:It's like we're in here to learn we're in here to get better and it was great.
Speaker 2:It was good training yeah, you got something you did. I got some good sessions out of it there as well, like so did. And then the team remember we were in the gym the time I went down to Dublin and sparred Gary I.
Speaker 1:I wasn't in the gym at that time. I remember, I remember Pete tell me after, when I told Pete I was born, he was like yeah, he's a tough. He gave Gary a fucking good sport oh, aye, aye.
Speaker 2:He was like I was hectic, bro, I was hectic, that's did, did Willie go there? No, I'm Willie. I remember. I remember Willie drove me down down my corner, basically against Gary Cully. I always tell people I fought Gary Cully because it was a fucking failure.
Speaker 2:I've had about 15 white outfits that were a tiny many easier than that fight or than that sport. You know what I mean. So I always tell people I fought Gary Cully and he gave me his hair shit head guard. So I did a wee chin strap because I didn't have a head guard or a ball guard. I he gave me this here wee shit headguard and he kept punching the top of it and then the strap was going into my mouth and I was going to pull down and he just was going boom, boom, boom, boom, hit me with six shots and that was happening. So I was going to wear him. Well, he was just giving me a wee bit of water and all, and then, and we bounced out, I felt, oh my god, I felt stoned. I wasn't even stoned yet. You know what I mean, but I felt I felt proper.
Speaker 1:Not yet, not yet. No, I was running around like Smoke a reefer. Well, no, darn.
Speaker 2:I felt stoned so I was sitting there Face I don't think I washed my face properly. It was all bloody. Right, it was all bloody. It was like all dried in blood. It was all Face felt all stiff. Now Dreamed of Getting on the Fitney or whatever it's called, wendy's car Shit and stuff. I was hanging down On the side of the road. The same day I rode one for moving smote my flannel in my theory.
Speaker 2:I need a spliff and so I rang Paddy. I rang Paddy, paddy McCoy. I rang Paddy and said bro, can you come down and get me here please? And we're strutting. Waley had a recovery van on the way. He needed to stay with the car. Waley and Niall stayed with the car. Paddy came and got me. After about an hour waiting, he shows up. Boom, because we weren't even that far away From the gym. Paddy grabs me, turns around the motorway, flew up His car running a petrol. He had me over. I was going. I ain't gonna jump in Running one of these fucking cars here.
Speaker 1:Fuck, I was enjoying him my face was still crusty with blood.
Speaker 2:It was terrible, it was a terrible day.
Speaker 1:Fuck me, flapped. Fuck me, if not rolling my husband's starting to say rope, I'm not taking it for a lift.
Speaker 2:I'm pulling the cops. Oh, it was a hectic day but it was. You know, I think I was made of him over one of the lockdowns. I think I couldn't.
Speaker 1:I wasn't in the gym yet and I joined just after lockdown Pete's gym because they put up on Facebook or something.
Speaker 2:Can anybody spar, or something? They got there and I was like here because I can. There's no fights going on in my town at all, no eight boxers, maybe something behind closed doors once. There's no type of money like that really in my town as much. So I was like fuck it, I may as well go down and get a few hard rounds. Like fuck me.
Speaker 1:I regret it like but then, yeah, peter was going to be like credit to him. He doesn't rock in this gym. No equipment, no nothing. I was like what the he's this see when?
Speaker 2:I did walk into see we're talking about earlier, like the atmosphere. She's great because obviously if it was in belfast gym we all would have knew each other sort of half nature with only two people I think, tommy and tarun were made him in there in the gym they were, and I knew short of the end too. I was like what's happening, lads? And then I was just fucking about in the bag. But I could just feel everyone watching me and I'm like just don't get knocked out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I remember Peter like Peter, always he was like fucking credit that when I told him. He was like fuck me, he's a hard. He just rocked in this no equipment.
Speaker 2:I was being disrespectful, I was like fuck me, I 100%. But then Gualdric proper went out of it but guys are fucked.
Speaker 1:So see, like, obviously, like and I wasn't I seen him doing the thing where, like he'd done a podcast with Tommy and Throne and he was saying, like, obviously, if me get knocked out by Jose Felix, it's took a wee bit of fucking confidence out of him and letting the hands go because obviously the Oatmans are now and, like you, almost get exposed but see before that, like before that, he was an absolute.
Speaker 1:I sparred Gary like hundreds of rounds, like we always have good spars, but if you let him, if you let him tee off, he goes through a hundred punch combination.
Speaker 2:He kept doing opposite time on food like bump, bump, bump like those, like fucking ten punch combinations. I was eating shots, mate. I was like Jesus Christ, get me in there, but see, otherwise, we're all so soon like they were all proper soon, so take over and say to me fuck me mate you should get your fucking, your boxing license and I was like alright, take that you even say is that a feat?
Speaker 1:you need to enter the anthem or something else to get you when there was no fights. I've considered it a few times.
Speaker 2:I've considered it a few times, just to keep yourself ticked and keep yourself busy.
Speaker 1:But but it's probably just one of them you don't want to like. You don't want to fall into like giving giving to boxing, because there's more shows in boxing than what you're giving to Muay Thai. Your Muay Thai is something you've done your whole life.
Speaker 2:I've done that with MMA as well. I fought in amateur MMA and I'd already fought professional Muay Thai and I was getting a bit bored of it. So it was. And then I was like I have an MMA fight here. So I trained at Fight Academy for about eight months it must have been, but I'd already done a bit of MMA before, so I wasn't completely new to it. I could fight on an amateur level, do you know what I mean? And then MMA fight and I was supposed to fight some guy who actually is another kickboxer, yeah, so I was going happy days, it's just gonna be, you know, stan Ponsihevich, or?
Speaker 1:whatever, I was looking forward to it, and then they changed it.
Speaker 2:They changed it sort of did the week of the fight or something. Some guy from James Slavin you call him. He actually fights for FAA now, but at the time he fought for a gym. It was called combat jiu jitsu. So I went oh no way, snowy hacknicks on us so the whole fight I was just sitting looking at the roof of the dance from the back, so I was going.
Speaker 1:I know there was a chandelier up there. Fucks sake, fuck me, I mean there was a balloon up there.
Speaker 2:So the whole I'm going fuck you. I'm never doing this again. You know what I mean. But it was good, crack, it was good, but then that's what I mean. It was pulling. You can't obviously do Two things serious, yeah. So it was like Fuck. Do I try MMA more or Do I just go fuck at it?
Speaker 1:You go down one path. But, seeing you've put so long In the, in the sport. It's what you know and it's what you're good at. You don't want to have to Restart All over again and just Just neglect that and then just be like, because loads of people Always say to me Would you ever do anything? Would you ever like do anything?
Speaker 2:That's a great question you get asked.
Speaker 1:I would Like, I would love to try it, but I've never Like I'm a world class boxer. Yeah, I'm not gonna this level now and then just go and do something completely different. I find if I wasn't as good at boxing as I was or as I am, I would give it a go you get lots of people, lots of different martial arts like boxers. You can't get to your top level of boxing and then just ditch it, you worked your whole life to get to that level and then just go to MMA.
Speaker 1:But obviously it's something you would go for, but I know like if I went into that I'm going to be terrible like an ad.
Speaker 2:They would just take you down too. You see, if you have like a boxing or a striking thing, I'd dream him for it. He'd just go grab his legs, take him down. He doesn't know what to do. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean Exactly, and I wouldn't, I'd be fucking just top right.
Speaker 2:Terrible experience. Son of a Me, Danny, I started the moon and all.
Speaker 1:Hopefully I'll freak him out a wee bit. Big Rick Conant, I started saying harder and all Poor Igar now?
Speaker 2:Aye, nothing more than a ball guard. That's just me, Gru. Do you have to wear a ball guard? Aye, I see you can.
Speaker 1:Brilliant, but the weight that you drop, the fight gets mad, isn't it? Yeah, do you do that? Oh, I wouldn't be fair Like big, like I wouldn't be fair, bro. I don't drop much weight like in terms of like fight week. They drop like 10, 12 pounds within two days.
Speaker 2:My last one, bro, I didn't have a big weight Like I fought at. I thought it was 70 kilos when I was 78 the week of the fight, fuck me. So I got down to like 77, 76 and a half, I think it was and Thursday night I lost three and a half, and then the Friday morning I lost another two and a half. I lost like six kilos and about. Fuck me, how many hours did that be, Do you? Water load 13 hours. I did water load that time.
Speaker 2:I done everything that time I done the whole lot like I did a water load, the carbs, fibre, sodium, all that see you can understand, like because it is easier to get off, but seeing them final hours like it's like oh, you feel like I don't water load, but I know like it's in need of committee.
Speaker 1:This is a wee bit of trust, like it's having that trust to know it's going to come in.
Speaker 2:It's good when you're going taking a piss you know what I mean. Like you feel like you're in your shower and you're making weight, you fart and you're going. Jesus, I wonder what.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You're constantly going to the toilet. It's like you feel like you're go in your favour, is what I mean. So, and it does shift an extra wee. I think I lost a wee because I'd done the same sort of wake up before the fight before, and the water load took an extra, I'd say, about kilo off me, because when I stopped drinking water my body's used to still going, though still pissing still releasing.
Speaker 2:I'm still going to toilet load is what I, and then I got an extra, maybe about half or maybe a full kilo, that's great, but I feel obviously people who water load because they've done it so quick they can probably put on more after. And then I put 10 kilo on after Did he.
Speaker 1:I went up to 80 kilo.
Speaker 2:I was 80.9 or something. Maybe Fuck me, but here I'd done too much weight at that time. Why Put too much weight on? Because after I was sluggish, you feel sluggish guy punched me in the belly. I felt real sluggish, like I was. I was in the chain. I don't know fart before I'm going to be in a shape to be honest, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I was a skirt in the ring, walk through, check all the cup down the stage.
Speaker 2:He's done it all already, that, but your man punched me in the stomach and he got hit hard too, but it wasn't even a big shot. It was like a doof wee jab in the belly, like a wee poke, and I went hopefully he didn't see that there, because that proper hurt me. See, he jumped on my body after that. There I would have really struggled, because it was just all the food and the drink I had taken in I got one in there with the kev got like eggs carbonara hanging on like a load of pasta on like a big whack of sardo.
Speaker 2:Know what I mean? Like heavy shit, just eating too much and it's rich, it's rich, grub in there because you know what I was finding.
Speaker 1:See after I weigh in. See when I eat. See my tongue was eating, taking all the salt and sugar.
Speaker 2:And I eat again and I start my mouth be the sage and all I got there just fucking does my head and I always go.
Speaker 1:This is melting. But you know what I've stopped doing? I've stopped eating meat after I weigh in. So, like my first meal, I was going to eat a big, massive plate of pasta, a load of carbs, a load of carbs with no meat in it, just like tomato pasta, and then get like a margarita pizza and you can just eat loads and I never feel busted.
Speaker 2:So I'm just, I'm loving it now yeah, actually I figure it because you don't need the meat, you don't I, it's just carbs.
Speaker 1:Yannick has taught me that too eat loads of carbs with no meat in it.
Speaker 2:I prefer meat because it's nicer with it, aye, but it's just, you can just consume more and don't feel like fucked've done all the hard work, cut all the weight and then weighed in, and then you have to fight the next night. But some people in that time they'll just be like eat everything and anything and like see if you can just sacrifice one more night and do it properly, like and I learned that in my last fight like big time, you definitely like feel the difference big time.
Speaker 1:I felt terrible, but you want it.
Speaker 2:You know it's so hard not to.
Speaker 1:You still need to stay disciplined.
Speaker 2:It's even harder, as I say, because you've made the weight now, whereas before you're like, if I go and eat everything, I'm gonna be so sad and fat tomorrow night. I mean so, but you don't even care anymore oh do you ever have no snacks?
Speaker 1:and sunday dinner. I go for sunday down. Go like I'm not gonna get, like I'm just gonna get the meat and the veg. Take away, the roasties take away, the potatoes take away and I'll just have gravy. Sometimes I would get pepper sauce man. Next time I just go fuck it 100%, every single one as soon as you eat the last bit. I'm just like melt it why? Why, why I'm there it's in post carb clarity.
Speaker 2:That's what it is is after you've been balls deep in there, carbs are going.
Speaker 1:Oh jesus, I'm gonna be too happy tomorrow you've just a in a few days.
Speaker 2:I've just struggled. Now you have to sacrifice, sacrifice, the way cutting is the worst, the worst part for me, like shitting it.
Speaker 1:That's one. That's something I'll never miss, like, yeah, yeah, I miss boxing. I haven't boxed since. Yeah, well it's, I'm out my head.
Speaker 2:But is that your last fit was all?
Speaker 1:right, oh, I can't get no one to fit me Is that your last fight with us?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I can't get no one to fight me. How much is that?
Speaker 1:That must be Eight months ago. Fuck me Eight months ago. Fuck, I'm brilliant.
Speaker 2:See your black ball now. That's what it is, because you had that fight fucking done. Well, I know.
Speaker 1:But they gave it to him Just to be honest again.
Speaker 2:And now guys can hate behind the fact that, oh sure, why would I feed him? For, like the guys above, you can have been, and really they're going out there. I can take an easier fight against someone who, I, who, I will be and gain more to gain from it, because it is just, it is just the game. I'll talk sadly, that's how it goes.
Speaker 1:I mean, I call it snakes and ladders exactly before I get that back down, you start, you know, if we start big. So I was holding it till the end of the year to try and get a bigger fight, because it was after the big, big fight and I fell through as well. I wasn't sorry and, uh, because of that I sort of sacrificed not fighting on any other wee stupid cards not getting, because, like, the fight was massive and the money was going to be massive and all, and it just fell through. So I was like, fuck it, if that opportunity comes again and he'd be ready to take it, yeah, so they want to take wee stupid fate get injured, something happens and you miss that same risk.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean, 90 years over aye, I'm just going fuck it.
Speaker 1:I'll rebuild again. Aye, because, like as I say, I'm confident I'll beat anyone and then if you wait and wait and wait, you'll be waiting forever, waiting forever fuck's sake, because people aren.
Speaker 2:The guys above. I'm in the same position as myself. They're not going to jump at the opportunity to fight you when they know. One, it's going to be a hard-earned night and two, they'll say that's what they always say. What have I to gain from it?
Speaker 2:I know you know what I mean that's why I'd love to have my goal would be to have like enough money myself save for, like Jamie's shoes he puts on the damage to cover it, because Muay Thai is not really big purses, you know what I mean. Like the top guys are getting like 20, 30, 50 G's, you know what I mean. So, like if I have like you know 10, 15 grand there, like I can just be like right, listen, I'll cover your purse, just fit me, because you are going to back yourself. You're going to back yourself like 10 times out of 10. That's the position I'd like to get to like just fucking on your own shows aye or even let Jamie run a show.
Speaker 2:But I'll just cover your man's purse, you'll cover the purse.
Speaker 1:Aye, I know, if you can do that, then you're you're in enough pain for the opportunity to be a tough guy.
Speaker 2:Aye, and take an investment. Do you know what I mean? That's what I said. I remember like I wrote a free. I've been free. Pity him, don't pay me a penny.
Speaker 1:I honestly do not want a penny. Just give me the opportunity to beat him again and I will like and no, there's no interest because they know it's a fucking drama scheme and it's fucking brutal but he's saying to me.
Speaker 1:He's me that they wrote saying I'm not. I'm not the promoter, I'm just a fighter. I'm fighting here. My promoter puts it in front of me. He says, right, well, I rate the promoter saying well, I'll fight him for free, so you're making an extra, whatever it is, I'll fight him for free, you don't have to pay his opponent and then you get all the profits plus the whole thing behind that fight.
Speaker 2:Now, like you think how much people's gonna wanna go and watch that there big time they're gonna make good, do off it. Do you know what I mean exactly? Cause it's like there's a story behind it too.
Speaker 1:Jack Carroll. Obviously that fight was announced and every single person just I'm just constantly tagged on Twitter about you dodged Sean McComb first and then his last fight. There he beat Jose Ramirez who was like unified world champion he was two time world champion and Barbosa beat him. But after the fight your mom was like obviously your last fight against Sean McComb. A lot of people are saying he's like look, I've got. I've received millions of messages on social media. I've just turned my phone off, so you're getting tortured that much.
Speaker 1:I'm not even engaged in it and your mom's like right, okay.
Speaker 2:Because what can you say if you know you were baiting him?
Speaker 1:He knows he was baiting him and obviously I didn't get the decision. But sure that's just the way it goes.
Speaker 2:It's funny, but it happens, man. It happens like Jesus Christ, I've got robbed. You hear people getting beaten. They're like, oh, what's happened? You got robbed and you're like I'm sure you did. But it genuinely does happen. Sometimes.
Speaker 1:The only thing is on that stage, because it was a world like it was a global platform because Ryan Garcia and Dad and Henning was fighting it. It was a global platform. Everyone's seen it now. Now the amount of times I've been robbed and like as an amateur in the world championships.
Speaker 2:European championships.
Speaker 1:You tell people they're like fuck you have you ever lost a fit?
Speaker 2:lost a fit fairly, oh my, but swings and roundabouts, see, like, see if that happened the other way around for yourself, I know I maybe would go. If it was me, I would be like, listen, obviously. I know I maybe would go. If it was me, I would be like listening, obviously I think I would like maybe give the person like an out of currency rematch or something I would one million percent? Yeah, I think, because you want to do it for yourself too, not for the image as well you?
Speaker 1:need to stop and believe in yourself. Yeah, you can't break the wrongs. If I thought that, I know that I'll fix it. Whatever needs fixed, I'll figure it out, and if it didn't go right that night, I'll fix it 100%, because that's another thing with fighting as well.
Speaker 2:It is all on the night as you're talking about the difference between sparring and actual fighting. It's like one or two mistakes in sp, I'll call you right now, whereas, if you know, then you can correct them easy, easily, boom, you're sorted. You know what I mean. Right then understand you're doing a.
Speaker 1:Do you have your own? Do you do your own shorts? Do you have beef ass? Yeah, is that you and Nell, or has it changed? Me and Nell?
Speaker 2:yeah, he's been another guy but then sort of just had a wee bit of he didn't really want.
Speaker 2:He proposed the business to us because he started doing PTs with me yeah, I always wanted to do something like that there, but I didn't have the time or the know how to do it, the resources where to go to. You know what I mean for like manufacturing and stuff. So he said to me when we did it we've done it the first year, we've done very well. And then he just came forward and said I want more of. I was like, nah, I don't think you're getting more out of business. I mean because, yes, you do more of the day to day work, but without me and Nell before that kid there wouldn't have sold one of her shorts.
Speaker 2:I mean, people buy the shorts because, like we're doing, well, I don't know if it's a business, don't get me wrong. But like people who buy the shorts still buy the shorts because me and N Muay Thai sort of circle. Mma ones in Belfast, and we've sold shorts all over the world, to be honest with you, and you've done shorts for Lewis Crotter too, boxing oh, yeah, he fought.
Speaker 1:Tyrone.
Speaker 2:I think it was Tyrone we designed him and then we got Box Inc to actually manufacture, because we our manufacturer was good at the wee small shorts that we do whereas for boxing shorts we wanted obviously high quality, so we didn't want this this week out in them. So we did the design and then set of the boxing and he, he done the whole fucking manufacturing.
Speaker 1:Like is it what? What's the goal? Or like just just do you just want to go global? Like just manufacturing, yeah, yeah just like the.
Speaker 2:Obviously our niche will always be like. Then we stay shorts. We do like they're not muay thai shorts, but they're not like mma, they're like a hybrid type of short. Yeah, so I would like to branch into different areas, but always have that one like lockdown with being our actual, like unique product, do you? Know what I mean because that's what we're good at and I enjoy doing that the most. But I would like to have like in the very distant future, like fucking, like all clothes yeah, it's called raw brand, aye aye, because I enjoy doing it everyone.
Speaker 1:There's no one like, there's no reason why. Well, everyone loves clothes, aye, and there's so much brand, loads and loads of brands.
Speaker 2:If you have something good, it's not like nobody has like brand loyalty. I know I only buy next off. I only buy if it's good. You want it bad, you'll buy it. So like people have so much dough to spend. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:No, exactly. Yeah, it's like there's so much fucking clothing brands now, but loads and loads, they're all. It used to be just Nick. I remember when we were kids growing up we'd be Nick and Ali, that's it. That's all your work now you?
Speaker 2:have the wee and fucking.
Speaker 1:Trailberg and just all these different.
Speaker 2:JD and all filled with them now.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, and they're just taking them more and more and more.
Speaker 2:So we'd like to get into that, but for now we're just focusing on the wee fed shorts, and I do enjoy the whole process of doing it, like meeting with the designers and all having meetings with everyone. We'll have the sorcery manufacturer, though, because that, yeah, he used to do it with us. That's the stuff he was in charge of.
Speaker 1:so we're kind of having to start over again because we're having disagreements, because we're having to find something the same quality, yeah, but supposers have samples, so you can just sign them to the manufacturer. We need this, they can just copy it.
Speaker 2:We need this, they can just copy it because the product is good, like we've had the first design. We have people wearing them all the time and the colour doesn't fade on them. There's no rips. There's nothing like product quality can be improved. Really that needs improved sorry, like drastically or anything. So we've got a good product, so it's just about all how we manage it and advertise it.
Speaker 1:We haven't spent any money. We've spent no money on that like whatsoever, like we've just grew it ourselves on Instagram, yeah that's it. It's just marketing. If you can market, you can get someone to market properly, like if you can market properly through your social media, and it's like and like see, it's such a good, it's so easy to sell them because me and Nell are fighting them.
Speaker 2:So, like people see me and N and Alv's always talk about this, all we need is it's just the way the word works. Now all we need is one person to knock somebody out in them and they're viral, and then we get 5,000 sales from out there and then that's a big deal for us. Yep, 100%. And there has been a few few guys like Damien McGuigan. We had my father kick someone in the fucking face and knocked him out in our shorts and we made money off it. Powerful, powerful. D'you know what I mean? See, it's so unique. Or even if I get knocked out one night, touch wood, like wearing the shorts, people still go Cos. They're good shorts. People will be like what shorts has he got on there? So there's always eyes on the shorts. D'you know what I mean? It's cool, like just need a platform. But we've had the start all over again and good crack we'll wrap it up here anyway just wanted to get that.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to get the business a wee shoot out there. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Yes, bfast, bfast so it is BFAST on Instagram.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bfast official on Instagram so if you're in the Muay Thai circle, yeah, get a wee tag underneath and tag whoever you know who's in the Muay Thai game 100%. All across the fucking world. Get involved. Came on 100 and buy three fast shots. I'm going for a Sunday dinner 100 break my arm sausage just getting pulled back. Cheers for coming in. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me.