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The Public Nuisance Podcast #016 “Up The Hatchet Fields” with Odhran White
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome Animal Body, IRL Spiderman, Odhran White to the podcast
We cover Mountain Climbing, Grenade Bars, Adventures, Boxing, Living Your Life, Scaling Belfast Buildings and much more.
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Speaker 2:It is. It's gorgeous. I was just saying about it as we moon and all we've got above us here. We've got it all going on. We have flowerpots, we have bells, we have, we uh we grenade barn, all we have grenade barn, all apparently got them the way up, so we do got them the way up you know what I mean the good stuff so with us today.
Speaker 1:We have Oren Oren White, aka Animal Body. What's happening? What's the story there? Thanks for coming in. It's a pleasure to be here. Good, good, good. Is this your first podcast, would you say?
Speaker 2:Actually it would be my first official podcast, but whenever I was I think I was 19 or something I was working in the Hatch at the time a friend of mine asked me to jump on. He said, oh, I'm gonna start a podcast. Uh, why don't we? Why don't we do a podcast? And I was like, right, sweet, I'll be the first person on it. And uh, we jumped on my buddy, kieron black. This was years ago. I think it's still on spotify somewhere as well I mean it's terrible.
Speaker 2:I never want to listen to that ever, ever. I don't know what I was talking about, like, but, um, just before that I'd went and claimed uh, I don't know if I was talking about, but just before that I'd went and climbed. I don't know if you know this here. So whenever I was working in Hatch I decided I was like fuck it. I was watching Colin Brady I think his name is Colin O'Brady, some American guy and he does a load of adventure expeditions and I remember just being kind of lost at this time in my life, being like what am I going to do with myself, like who am I?
Speaker 2:What am I trying to be? What am I trying to create? And I was just sitting drinking a black coffee in the morning, sitting at my mascots and table, sun was coming in. I don't know what time of year it was, but I just remember being like know what I'm going to do? I'm going to climb all the highest peaks in Ireland, in every county, in 32 days. So I'm going to do 32 mountains in 32 days. And I think I was just buzzed up with the coffee. But then I started making plans and all and I was like, right, I'm just going to make this real, I'm going to make it happen. I want to be like Colin this guy's unreal and so I ended up doing that anyway, and there's a whole story behind that, but I ended up talking about that on the podcast, did you have to pick the 32 days off from the hatch?
Speaker 2:No, the way it happened. So it was just before the hatch, I suppose. So it's weird. It was a weird time frame, it was before COVID and stuff. So what we did? I went away. I was telling you about this on the way up the road. So I was going with this chick was like 18, 19, but she was an absolute nightmare, so I had to get rid of her. I'd already booked the holiday, so it's supposed to be me and her going on this holiday. And uh, I paid for it all and I was like, fuck, this is class. You know, felt like a man I said I'm taking a chick away.
Speaker 2:Paid for, everything is class, class. And then I realised she's blue. Now I had to hang on to her, so I got rid of her. And then I ended up texting my friend. I actually rang him that day. I was like listen, mate, see it's holiday, do you reckon you can come with me? And he's like I have no cash, how am I going to be able to go with you? And I was like listen, I've got it all paid for. Just come with me, it'll be a good crack. So he comes along. We have the best seven days of our lives. We're like this is unbelievable Sunrises, sunsets, fucking life's magic. Honestly, every day I'm just looking at him, I'm like you're here like it's amazing.
Speaker 2:So what ended up happening was we were pretty much skating about all the time, climbing buildings, swimming, loving life, and then on the last day, we'd met a load of girls from Belgium, so there was 13 of them or something. It was a big, big group. We were loving it, right, so we it was enough to pick another week that's day one.
Speaker 1:I'm staying, we. It was enough to pick another week, let's stay on, let's miss the flight.
Speaker 2:But at this, at this stage, james's name is um he'll know he sees this here. Uh, he put all his faith in me. He was like, listen, oren, if you say it I'll do it. Like you know. He just he trusts me for an adventure, like I'm always, I order and, uh, if it's too mad, I'll be able to call it. If I think you can't do it, I'll tell him, but if I know he can, I'll make sure he does.
Speaker 2:So we go out and we get blocked on the last night and, uh, we're climbing up and down lampposts but there's like, uh, what do you call him? Prickly things, a cactus. There's only him at the bottom of this lamppost. So he slid down it and we didn't know. So we got back to the house lying there and he's uh, sleeping. I was trying to wake him up. I was like, is Scott's not waking up? He's not waking up. It's a nightmare, um, and I remember, just looking at his legs, it's like half eight, half nine in the morning and I'm still blocked. We got like six or something. So I slept for an hour and, uh, I just seen there's like these big, massive thorns like proper, like maybe eight or nine of them sticking out of his legs and I was like this is wild, he's sleeping. Hasn't a clue what's going?
Speaker 2:on so I got my Snapchat out and I was like, fuck it, I ain't just gonna record myself, just pulling all these out. And I was like, james see, when you wake up, there's gonna be a modest video. Mate these things out. And he wasn't even budging from it. I hadn't a clue he was gone. He was gone. So, anyway, I'm on to get him up. He smashes a watermelon over his head. We're ready. We're out the door. We're like right, we'll go and get in the pool here.
Speaker 2:And we walk around the side of the building. We didn't realise that there was a climbing frame that went the whole way up the side of the building. We had no idea. So we're just looking at it like this is mental. So right beside the wall there was a bunch of chicks. This is all the bells and chicks. It was amazing.
Speaker 2:We're a bit blacked. I'll just start talking and we'll climb up and down this wall. So none of them speak any english. And I start chatting away to them anyway and I'm just, you know, having the crack with them, and then I convince them to go cliff jumping with us. This is all on our last day, so we're supposed to be getting a flight in a couple of hours and basically what ends up happening? So I'm like, fuck, I fall in love with one of them. Basically I'm like she's unreal, she's class, I want her. So we end up going down, we're jumping off the cliffs and stuff, and then we get back up to the hotel and I'm like, last thing we gotta do, james, we'll bring these two chicks, because we picked two one of two favourites we'll bring these and zap onto the roof.
Speaker 2:We'll show them the spot because they can enjoy it. They'll be here for a couple more days and we bring them up, we sneak them in through the building. There's like a wee copy hole. We go in through the copy hole up a and we're standing there and we're like isn't this unreal? Their love life, it's all romantic and all and uh. We were like he's looking at me, I'm looking at him. We're like this class, isn't it? Two random chicks here and we're just, you know, it's amazing. So finally we end up having to leave them, unfortunately, and we're getting our bus to the airport. We're like fuck, that was great. You know, maybe we'll meet up with emmons in the future.
Speaker 2:We get to the airport and basically what ended up happening was I made us miss our flights. I had no idea what was going on. I thought I was getting there two hours early. I got there two hours late. He had no money. I had about 200, 200 quid or something like that Literally 200 quid and I'd just been let go from my previous job. I was working in a factory or something.
Speaker 2:I was getting it tight. I was getting it proper tight. So we end up having to go and sleep on the beach. And while I'm on the beach, I'm like James mate, I have this challenge I'm doing in two weeks and I've got no money to do it Like I don't know what I'm going to do. He's like man, you're just doing seven days. I'm like 32 mountains in seven days. Are you nuts? Like you're mental. He said, oh, but you could do it. I was like, fuck, maybe I actually could do that, that could be possible, and I didn't think that it was going to be a thing at all. But that from my friends, I think that's a big deal. I'm sure you've got people like that 100%.
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Speaker 1:But like I'm trying to take a bit of pressure, I'm like, fuck, I'll give it a go, yep and that's what happened. That's been in the second days, did you?
Speaker 2:so it was. It was class, so for some reason I'm always roping my dad into stuff that he would love to do. He'd love to do it, but he doesn't want to do this trip. So I was like great, do you reckon you'd be up for doing this challenge? And he's like what challenge? And he's looking at me like because he's a mad man as well like he does mad stuff. But he looks at me like I'm a bit stupid. Sometimes he's like you're just not wise.
Speaker 1:You know like you're doing is absolutely mental, I would say, I would say the same thing as you're doing. Yeah, what are you on about?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So he ends up. I'm like, listen, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do, and either you're in and you don't doubt it at all or you're out completely. So I was like, listen, the only thing I ask, the one thing that I ask throughout this whole trip, is that you don't doubt me for a second. That's it. Don't doubt, because the doubt is going to be the killer maybe I can't, maybe I can't and then it just stops you. Of course you can't. You think you can't you've given up before you've even started exactly.
Speaker 2:So he was like right, you're nuts, but I'll do it with you. So we pack all the stuff into the car and it's september time and we make way. I've mapped everything out, I've planned it and organized it. We did like seven mountains in our first day. Absolutely it was insane. But he had a harder job. You know what I mean. He ended up. He had to drive everywhere and I was just kind of trying to sleep in the car, resting. I was reading, uh, the denial of death or something like that. I don't know who it was from, but I was reading some mad philosophical books. Every time I'm up in the mountain I'm just thinking about all this crazy shit, like it was absolutely mad and uh, I don't know who that was from, but just thinking back this.
Speaker 1:It was absolutely nuts like.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. I'm 19 at the time. My gutties are scrappers, absolute scrappers. I had.
Speaker 1:I wish I had them with me to just show you like they were a nightmare. They were like you should have framed them. Fucking thing. I have them in the house. I've been framed. Get them off the me. I'll stick a wee post up, actually, and just get them in the shoot.
Speaker 2:It's sort of a shoot. All right, they were class um. So well, they're class now, but they were shit back then. And so, anyway, we're climbing mountains and I remember my dad like I think I got the mountain like 18 or 19 or something like that, and the day beforehand I'd had the worst day ever. I was fucking screaming on the mountain and all I was just raging because like it seemed like all I had to do was walk from this point to this point, but it took me across three mountains just to get to one and it was pissing, rain, grey the whole day. Like I always say, like we explored every the highest peak in every county of Ireland and we saw none of it.
Speaker 1:We didn't see any of the country, it was grey the whole time pissing rain.
Speaker 2:It was absolutely insane. We got one like kind of nice sunset one day and we were sitting in a car park. You know fucking. I think we were making like what was it?
Speaker 1:because I had no cash remember and like it's not like my man, I could just pull money out of their house yeah, so we're fucking.
Speaker 2:We were frying up sausages.
Speaker 1:I was sausages out of a tin, that's great.
Speaker 2:I was scooping mascarine around the me and all it's hard to work, fucking great. So we ended up doing that. And, uh, I get up halfway and my dad's like right, listen, you don't need to die for this challenge. Remember, you're doing this for charity. You've proved your point yourself, you don't need to die for this. And I was like yeah, it's the first birthday, yeah, that's it. And I was like you know what, maybe he's right you know he's right.
Speaker 2:I started thinking I was like I was like fuck, do you mean? He's like why haven't I looked at your feet yet? Like we're on, we're in the 18th mountain and your shoes are the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen. Like why are you wearing them? Um, I was like, well, I had no money for all their shoes so, and I had a challenge to do, so, I just wore poor goodies. Yeah, so anyway, um, he swaps his shoes with me. He literally takes his shoes off his own feet, gives me them. He's like you can continue on, but I'm going back. There's no way I'm gonna let you continue with them, gullies, and also, I don't want to die here. I have your mad to go back to, so I let you go ahead, keep your own, I'm not doing this one.
Speaker 2:This is way too mental. So. So I remember I continue on and it's like the make or break moment. I forget what the name of the mountain itself was, but I remember being like right, I got halfway up and it was pissing rain. I'm on a hill like this here, I'm holding on to the grass and I'm leaning in and I'm on my knee. And I just remember looking down and being like I could turn back now and it'd be fine, people would still respect it, it'd be fine. But I remember just looking up and then I looked at my little app. I was like I'm 30 minutes away from the top. I've been going for three and a half hours here. I am not. So.
Speaker 2:I remember just being like fuck it, just push, just go all the way, go all the way up. And I ended up making it to the top. And I remember just standing there. The clouds had cleared for like maybe 30 seconds. I saw the sun, the rain had stopped and it was just like a sign from God. It's like, exactly believe in yourself, believe in your own word, you know, and that's what's going to stand true in your life. And I remember just getting to the top and coming back down and the fellas at the bottom of the mountain, they were like, did you go up there this morning? Like I was like, oh, a hundred percent, I went up this morning. Like, oh, I was very dangerous. Like I'm a professional climber, I'm a professional tracker, I would never have went, did it take? It was like four and a half hours or something.
Speaker 1:He's like, mate, that might be a record and I was like, oh sweet, that's dead on. I was just like I was just thinking next mountain.
Speaker 2:I didn't care, I was like next mountain, literally next mountain. So we ended up completing that.
Speaker 1:My dad did like 18 mountains and I ended up doing them all to be honest, he, we were slapping the card the whole time as well. Still teamwork, teamwork, good teamwork, as you need. If I didn't have my dad like you'd be fucked I'm lucky.
Speaker 2:I'm really lucky that I have him.
Speaker 1:I done Ben Navis in Scotland.
Speaker 2:He has.
Speaker 1:Peking, britain, or something. I think, fucking Jesus Christ, worst, not the worst. It was like we and I, as I say, and I, as I say, probably like yourself, I had a pair of Maxi 25s on, rocked up in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt and, like no water, nothing happened. I didn't. I swear it goes straight to me there. I thought it was just going to be like Donner or something. Sleeve Donner. And I done that. Black mountain, aye, black mountain, up the hatchet. If you had to feel back down again, no sweat, fuck me. I got to the top. It was. It was June, it was scorching hot and I had no water. Every waterfall I seen I was like slugging back water, like flat out, and then, can't get nothing.
Speaker 1:I was like, surely that's there. And every time I get there it was more and more. And then it started to see snow at the top of it and I was like, because it was a June, it was.
Speaker 2:June. It was a good day and I was like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:and then we got random. Eventually we got to the very top of it and I was like jeez, I never expected to be that sore and I lived in Glasgow looking over and it was like a load. Like a couple of locals in that wee town were like climbers and they were like it's your first time up and all. I was like, oh man, they were like this is the only day of the year like you, you're. You must be the luckiest person ever because it's so clear up here you can see everything and the views were unreal and I was like like freaking out because I was, I'm a bit afraid of heights.
Speaker 1:And there was people like just hopping about, just like you, like a fucking in a tick, hopping about the edge, all fracked, and I was like we're fucking on rocks break right now. We were here all the time. We were here all the time and I was like fucking, out of nowhere, a fucking helicopter just comes up and your mom was looking at me going like what you are blessed like you never get a clear day up here here, ever, yeah, let alone like a helicopter as well this never happens so good, and I'm like looking, I was looking for someone pointing.
Speaker 1:Some girl fell, yeah, but she was further on there and I was like fuck me, you want experience. And that made it worthwhile, because there was a few times where I was like I don't even care about this man, I just doing this for crack. Yeah, we were off one day training, we just off, we went and uh, end up back down again anyway and see if I just picture you in the rest away.
Speaker 1:I have photos of it on my phone. See, see, for the rest of it got take it off train. Yeah, my coughs and my quads were on fire take a rest a week off trying to walk fuck that. So you've basically done 32m and said hey, I don't know either.
Speaker 2:I remember one of the walks. Fuck me, abby Scunder. There's actually videos on my old phone. I still have it. I must get the video sometime. I remember I'm actually recording myself and it's not even that hard a walk, but you think you're getting to the top of a hill.
Speaker 1:And there's another one and you're like, oh, top of a hill.
Speaker 2:and there's another one and you're like oh my god, I've done 50 of these today like stop it, like please.
Speaker 1:It's challenging, psychologically challenging. It's like like it's definitely you have to tap into your mental strength to go like fuck it, go again. And you go fuck it because it's like it's like you get this peak and you're like, right, right, happy day. One more go, and then boom, one more go, boom, and it's just constantly one more go until you actually get to the top and like, fuck me, like it's every time. Every time you get to the top of your peak and there's another peak, it's another challenge.
Speaker 2:But that's life, isn't it? That's all it is. That's life. You're someone that likes to evolve. The natural thing is what's the next, what's the next level? So then you're like, fuck, I'm at the bottom again, but you put yourself there like, but on purpose it's like because you need something else to focus on? Yeah, you need like.
Speaker 1:Was that the start of like you like, going on down that route of exactly yeah, I was the start of me realizing, uh, my own power in a sense.
Speaker 2:You know, and I still am, you know what I mean 26 now and what's that? It's seven years ago, uh, but that's definitely the the beginning of me really waking up and being like I'm responsible for my life you know I can choose to be what I want to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so and I've done a lot of things before that as well but that was like the most significant moment, one in that moment where it's like I've never heard of anyone doing this. I've made this up myself, yeah, and I'm doing it to more than anything, I want to just prove to myself that I'm, like, exceptional. You know, like, are you exceptional? Are you really fucking prove it to yourself then you know. So that's when I started like challenging my belief systems, where I was like, if I think you know I can fight, you have to go and fight you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You have to go and prove you can't say you can fight if you've never fought exactly you know what I mean. You can't say that, um, I don't think I can fight still like, but I've done a couple of fights, um, you know I need to. That's. That's one I need to improve you know it might be all right, it might be all right, but I'm sitting at 80 89 kilo here. I have to be slow what's going on here.
Speaker 1:You've got strength, there's strength. Obviously need a bit of speed, mate strength.
Speaker 2:I like the speed. You know what I mean speed and power.
Speaker 1:I want to be fast, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be just, I'm just going to throw a big rock at you, like you know. I want to. I want to throw a couple of medium sized rocks at you, but 100% you know it's going to be more damage?
Speaker 1:yeah, of course it always does. And then the see, like, did you see? Like all the cliff jump? How do you know? How do you obviously, like I know, like you're saying, you said like you want to prove yourself that you can do these things, but how do you know that they're possible? Is there someone else? Have you seen someone else in them? Or have you just gone to going to random places, going, I'll discover it for myself? Bits and pieces, bits and pieces. So it's like because I would be afraid of something in that water, like that's not deep enough, or you need to know.
Speaker 2:But this is the thing, like people don't know, like see, that's a part of the sport. Yeah, it's not like you just go, you know what.
Speaker 2:I mean like that's not the way like you probably will end up up killing yourself. You do that, it's mental, so there is a part of it where you have to be calculated. Like people see me doing mad flips and there's people far better than me. You know what I mean. Like I respect that. I'm not trying to be the best, I'm just someone that likes doing it. I'm not worried about being the best um, we can talk about that as well. Like it's a mentality shift I had when I was a wee bit younger. But you need to make sure it's deep enough. If you're jumping in and it's not deep enough, you're stupid. It doesn't matter what you're doing. Just make sure it's deep enough and you need, like you need, to go three and a half metres. You need like twelve foot or something like that, because if you hit the bottom it's not good for your ankles, for your knees, for your. The other one is just making sure there's no overhanging rocks.
Speaker 2:So if you're going to jump a gap and there's a rock, yeah, beyond you just need to make sure there's nothing there just make sure you're clearing it, yeah, and then you don't start at 80 foot you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You don't start at 100 foot yeah, you just fuck, I've done 10 enough times here, right, I'll do you know 10 to 30 or something, I don't know whatever. And then you do that a load of times. You're like this is easy. And you're like, fuck, I'll try 40, I'll try 50, and I had a friend at the time this was a couple of years ago. His name is Owen, so I'd already did a couple of big jumps, maybe 45 foot or something and you feel like you're falling forever. It's like you're like, why have I not hit the water yet?
Speaker 1:and you're in the air still and you're like, oh fuck, I'm still going. This is mad. You watch the video back and you're like turn the seconds and all you're like oh, literally, hit, pause, hit pause.
Speaker 2:I want to go back. So you're like you're halfway. I remember you know Assassin's Creed, you know when you jump off and like he jumps, like this here and then, and, and it starts going like, like that's.
Speaker 1:I swear that's the way it is, yeah and you feel like you feel that happening.
Speaker 2:You hear the sound of the wind and all and it's like it's just you're literally that is what's happening in the air and see embracing that. You're like, fuck, I'm doing this with enough control and I'm not gonna die. You're playing with death. Like yeah, 100, it makes you feel alive. At the same time, you know there's it's the same as like combat sports as well.
Speaker 1:It's a drowning isn't? It's just that it's running like people, like, like the stuff, like I would say, like you're in a drowning junkie, it's just like you just crave a drowning. Yeah, I probably do as well with sport, but, like when I get out of sport, I'm dumber yeah, I mean you're you're like, I don't know it's as, you've done it that many times, but do you still feel like 100%? Say, for example, you went to do a 20 footer?
Speaker 1:I know you've done way beyond that but do you still get a wee bit of nerves, nah what happens is think about it.
Speaker 2:I've just walked into the gym not me, because, maybe because I look like I could maybe do a bit of damage, right, look like I could do a bit of damage. Someone walks into the gym, right, and they don't look like they could box or anything right, and you're like, oh, you're sparring him today and you know he's got no experience. Are you concerned really?
Speaker 1:about, it's the same thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Whereas for me I would still be a bit concerned because I'm like, fuck, well, I haven't done enough reps to know if I'm even. Maybe he could be naturally talented enough to already be at my level, and I've done this for a little while you know, so it's just about fuck. What's the term? It's like you've got enough reps. I always say, like with competence breeds confidence, yeah, so when you're competent and something you know you know you're good.
Speaker 1:You've done it that many times, yeah, so you're confident.
Speaker 2:So it's grand, but there's always a level, there's always a way to make it more sketchy. There's always a way to make it more scurry, more flips, more fucking, more flips, more heights, more distance. You know what I mean. I done this one in Mallorca a couple of months ago, done a couple of cracking ones in my work, just for my own self, you know see you're running throwing yourself off a balcony.
Speaker 1:It's like jeez the one I think you have a pinned on your story on your Instagram where you scale the balcony with people just sitting by the pool like making their own business and you're away like fuck, I'm like, I'm just going to get away like people are going see I just killed himself. Someone's suicidal here like he is literally just went and threw himself off a cliff. He just lost himself. I've witnessed someone kill himself, so that's what I've been thinking that's it.
Speaker 2:It's so funny because, like you do get that from people, they're like you're so stupid, like I can't believe, like do you not respect your life and all? You should see the comments on there it's hilarious, but at the end of the day I'll not try and convince someone that it's. You know it's a good thing to do, because I trust myself, I'll do it.
Speaker 2:I'll continue to do it. But jumping off that balcony was such a good buzz for me because there's a limiting factor. Am I going to slip? Can I jump high enough? Am I going to need this? You know this is going to go wrong. This is going to go wrong. All these things are going to go wrong. But then you go, let's look at the other side. Yeah, this is going to go right. I've done this before. I can jump double the height of the wall. You know you like you justify why it's going to work instead of why it's not going to work, and that's what makes you move you know, yeah, fuck me.
Speaker 1:I just, I don't know, in disbelief and I'm like fuck. So like if anyone who doesn't follow us man go on his Instagram animal body and watch this insane stuff we're talking about, it's good, it'll give you, maybe someone will go fuck, I'd love to try it.
Speaker 2:And you start having this, where you follow people trying it 100%, as I get an animal body crew on the go 100%, and then the buildings as well.
Speaker 1:It's just is that like? Are you going, are you doing that more now that you're back from, because the weather is not good enough at the minute to be jumping off? But I've put this where there's no balconies here.
Speaker 2:I know, mate, where's the balconies? If you have a balcony and you're next to the sea and you think that someone might be, even if you think someone can't give me a wee text and I might come and jump off and pop me, I'd love to honestly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a few flips, a few backflips out someone's back, yeah, out someone's back in the wee swimming pool or wee kids pool or wee hoes in it.
Speaker 2:As long as it's three metres, we're good, we're good class actually, and then so like.
Speaker 1:So, just because you're back here now, you're obviously, you've been back for a wee while and you're just climbing up massive buildings and cranes and all that shit. Is that just to feed the adrenaline?
Speaker 2:Oh I think it's something almost Just to keep that buzz alive. You know, I think that's it honestly because the other day I went for a walk in the town and I was just looking up like you know, what am I going to get in this shop or this shop? I wasn't even going in for a shop, I was going in for a walk and I was just looking, I'm going fuck. He jumped off that and imagine you, you know he did this and this and then there was just a door open beside me or some sort of shaft thing.
Speaker 2:I was like it basically made me climb it. You know what I mean? It's just the invite was there. It made it literally invite me. The invite was there, like the door was open. It said come on in. I was like this door's never open. Why is this door open?
Speaker 1:I'm going up and then, oh man, it's like Bruce Almighty walking there from the next benji class?
Speaker 2:yeah, he's gonna be. Um, he's definitely watching me going, good man and you could do that, I'd say keep it going keep it going because it made it. There's also a thing where I don't anticipate doing stuff that is so stupid and out of like. What I do might look dumb, you know, and what you do as well, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:It's like there's things that we do that is perceived by people and you know other people watching this just probably have things as well that others deem, others deem mad. But it's like you know yourself enough to trust yourself and if you don't let other people's you know judgements or ideas get in your way, then you're free to express that. But very you trust yourself you know, we spoke about that in the way up as well, like trust a lot of people.
Speaker 1:I think that's where a lot of people go wrong in life just not like trusting their ability or trusting themselves that they get whatever they need done, done. You know what I mean, but I'm done. You know what I mean, but, like you said, it's reputation and like when you've done it so many times, it just becomes like normality.
Speaker 2:It's just what I do, and a new challenge is set and a new challenge is set, and a new challenge is set and it's how you go, isn't it?
Speaker 2:And it's curiosity, isn't it as well? Like, could I be one of the best in the world? I wonder you know, could I, could I put myself in the same calibre as these boys? You know, like I wonder how I hold myself whenever I'm in the ring with them. It's like you have there's people that always ask you know, we hear this. I don't want to be cliché about it, but it's like you know what if what if I know?
Speaker 1:so fuck back up again yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:Phone an arse, it's grand. You know what I mean. Couple of bruises, you'll be sweet. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:see like see, like the stuff you do, the red ball. Would you love to do something like that, obviously yeah, no, I wouldn't even say no.
Speaker 2:I was thinking saying no, there would have been coming from like the stunt idea of things you know, like when you're working on a movie set or something.
Speaker 2:I don't like the idea of that because it's structured and they're telling you what to do and you have to stand about all day and just doing it because it's for the crack, like I'm not doing it because I want to get paid for it, but say, for example, if I'm just doing this shit and then Red and he goes, listen, make some videos for us, do it, then we'll sync up or something like that there, and then we'll pay you or we'll set you up. I'd be happy to do it because at the end of the day, I'm going to do it anyway. So definitely, and I've been fortunate to meet a bunch of guys when I was in Costa Rica last year Actually, I arrived in Costa Rica in November last year and I ended up just meeting a bunch of legends. This guy, reagan Popoff his name's R Popoff on IG Really cool character, exceptional at what he does, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then there was other really cool guys there as well, but like he's just a very significant character in the cliff jumping scene, yeah, well, at least for me anyway. So being around him and what he did, along with the other boys as well, don't get me wrong, but it's like when you're around someone that is at a level that you want to be at, you naturally feel an inclination to get better and you also believe in yourself more as well, like if you're surrounded by people that are not challenging your like who you are and what you're trying to become like.
Speaker 2:you can choose your own pace and then you never get anywhere.
Speaker 1:And it's shit, never progressed.
Speaker 2:It's shit, it's just playing along yeah, and it's like you need to step out of your comfort zone? Yep, that's what that was. Yeah, like I went on a whim watching people and being like fuck yeah. And here I tell you see, watching some of the boys as well. Uh, one of my friends, jody too, just absolute psychopathic. Through um a quad side. Flip off this niaca waterfall, four flips now he does five and all that as well but that's the first.
Speaker 2:I recorded that and was like what the fuck? Someone just did four flips in front of me, you know what I mean. And then, a couple of days before that, or a week before that, I'm getting paid to be on uh tours. Literally, I just go and bring people to waterfalls and it's my job to like entertain them. A couple of days before that, or a week before that, I'm getting paid to be on tours. Literally, I just go and bring people to waterfalls and it's my job to like entertain them. So, as I write, I'll just walk down to the bottom of the waterfall, I'm going to do a big flip. And they're like what? No way, yeah, I'm going to do a flip, so you're going. Well, the way it was, it was called Paddle Nine, so this was like a waterfall adventure company that take them out to do tours.
Speaker 1:I was thinking I've never heard of it, but I mean, or even that thing being happening, but I was going, I would pay for something like it. Yeah, because I mean I watch your Instagram and I'm like that's fucking unreal, that's class and just think, even if you could do a bit of it, I would be class if, like, there was like an agency you just contacted and they just or like I know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've been tempted. I have been tempted to do it here, but a big part of it is like the myself. Doubt comes in where it's like is this a place where I want to develop something like that, because I don't know if I would get the commitment from people.
Speaker 1:This country's fucked yeah For stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, people don't really like to commit to it and I've done free adventures and, you know, brought people. Cliff Jumpman had, I remember, kevin Perry. Give him a wee shout out here. I think he's still DJing Hope he is.
Speaker 2:I haven't stayed in contact with him, but he was DJing at the time and I was like, listen, I'm going to do a cliff jumping day and I'm just going to invite loads of random people. Would you be up for being a DJ at it? And he's like, aye, sweet. So we get the generators and all on the go and he brings his decks out and he's got this new tune and all he wants to release and it's like trance, but it's like euphoric trance music, right, so, so class. So he sets up and I'm like, listen, right, it'll be sitting right here and then we'll be like 50 metres away jumping off a cliff and you'll just be pumping the tunes out towards us. So we bring all the stuff up and we set it up on top and a load of chicks there, load of guys there, just a big gang of people just wanting to get out and be social for one not happy drinking in nature just enjoying nature.
Speaker 1:Just enjoying nature the thought of that is like I would love to do something like that.
Speaker 2:I would love to do more of it. No, honestly, mate, it's just it's hard to, it is like it's just you have to make it happen, and sometimes I just don't put the effort in to make it happen, but when I have in the past, it really pays off. So there's just a conf. It's like how long am I going to be here? What is what am I actually trying to achieve with this? You know so, but I definitely shoot before.
Speaker 1:I go.
Speaker 2:We said oh fuck, yeah Well, this book even if it's like David.
Speaker 1:David went like camping, like in Newcastle, and got like a load of mushrooms and shit and just fucking lift it up, and then they. Obviously I, I don don't take movies. I would, as I told you, in the way of my car, my fucking head, I would be afraid of getting stuck in another dimension and the right there I'd be stuck, I'd be one of them fucking headers that just tripped and cut out of it and I'm like, oh fuck me.
Speaker 1:I'm a real wee lad he was a nice wee singing that'd be terrible, or maybe it'd be good, I don't know.
Speaker 2:You'd get more views. Go on then.
Speaker 1:Go on then big bag of mushrooms, that'd be good. But you know, with like people like that, they would all love it. I know a lot of my mates would love that shit and it's something that I always go fuck.
Speaker 2:I'd rather experience that, and you just need someone that has half an idea to bring you. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:somewhere to go, like obviously you know you venture. I know the spots, you know all the good cliffs and the good fucking places where you're not going to die, or hopefully not die anyway, best On a day Hopefully not die anyway, yeah, best chances in that day Maybe what we should say. You just say it In disclosure form Before you go Big time Listen.
Speaker 2:You're responsible. I used to say that to them. I was like listen, there's going to be a DJ, everyone's going to be having a laugh, but if you do something stupid, that is completely on you, I am just facilitating this.
Speaker 2:I am not, I'm not even, I'm just a guy to put it together and just let me jump. You know what I mean. And if I feel like I can help you do a jump, I will. I definitely will. And if I think you're going to do something stupid, I'll definitely try and tell you. You know what I mean. I definitely will say Probably shouldn't do that, but I'll not tell you doing that shit, like, but I must get one, like genuinely hold me to it, yeah get one. You know, this is accountability.
Speaker 1:Right here, I'll get at least one trip before and we'll probably get a lot of people commenting saying like, oh, I'm up for it, I'm up for it, I'm just gonna go and fucking hundreds hundreds of people.
Speaker 2:That's it cops, and all the cops will probably join in.
Speaker 1:That's a couple of ad suites and we have a go. What's going on here?
Speaker 2:they're not telling you literally not telling you. We're just all out for a laugh.
Speaker 1:We're all mates my bro has a caravan in Bali Castle and he has jazz skis and all, so we'll just get them and just bring the jazz skis down at the bottom.
Speaker 2:We jump off a cliff take a mate at the bottom of the jazz skis and we'll just fucking us. We could start a whole movement, like you know what I mean. That would be absolutely mental. Just take over the coastline 100% every single Saturday.
Speaker 1:Just hundreds of people just jump off the coast and just grow, and grow and grow and we'll just have to fancy, just start fucking charging people in like listen, this is, this is limited.
Speaker 2:You need an armband listen, this is our spot. It'll be like surfing. You know the way surfing it's very like territorial.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's our spot you're not allowed to jump. Have you ever done surfing? Yeah, in Costa Rica it looks unreal, mate, I actually ate my food up did you actually surfing?
Speaker 2:I had seven, seven stitches in my food from surfing nightmare.
Speaker 1:It looks hectic, it's something I've never tried, but I was in Tenerife with my missus and I was walking along. I was like I see surfing. It's something that I always say that I'd have loved to have done or loved to have tried. I would love to have just learned it.
Speaker 2:But there's the problem Listen to what you're saying. Past tense Loved. I know.
Speaker 1:Loved Mate, I know Loved. They've done it. Still time to do it.
Speaker 2:Mate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, but my problem is I just go away on holiday and just get a beer open and that's.
Speaker 2:Nothing else matters.
Speaker 1:Fuck it Like I get to the airport Pint and the next time, fuck surfing. Yeah, 100%, that's it. I just want a couple more pints.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, see there is. There's up north and I know it's not the best place to be practising, necessarily, but I have a friend today. He's up surfing. He has no idea how to surf, but this is his third session and he's just going up and doing it and he's learning.
Speaker 2:But I would say a good way, if you wanted to keep yourself accountable for it is just be like, just fucking pay someone like you would a PT or something, just be. I want eight sessions. I'm going to show off for eight weeks in a row every Saturday and, boom mate, you'll learn to surf. But seeing you do it in a warm country, it's different gravy mate. I've had some euphoric moments just sitting on a surfboard just looking at the sunset, and you can't even feel the water because it's so warm.
Speaker 2:It's just like perfect and custardy anyway. Anyway, I mean like you know how you get a beautiful sun, sunset, and you've got all the colors, but you get the reflection of the water as well, yeah. So I was like level that's like. Yeah, I mean, it's like you're literally sitting in between two like voids or something. You're just watching both of them rip on at the same time and there's birds flying across at the same level as you and there's just like just cool looking dudes sitting on surfboards. Just like this is mad.
Speaker 1:This is life. This is like that's what people people would take stuff like that for granted because they've probably never even like me personally. That would be like an experience that no very, very few people would yeah, it's exposure man just wanting to be here, just sitting there relaxing. Or just sitting there relaxing, just watching, taking it in, just taking the word in for what it is fully sitting there just going.
Speaker 2:I remember that moment just being like oh my god, oh my like out loud, and the guys were looking at me like I wasn't trying to like attract attention but I was just like in disbelief, just surfing on my own. I was like, oh my god, like the guys were looking at me and they were laughing because they knew like they were, like they knew what I was seeing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I probably looked like a noob as well, because I was not good and they're like, fuck, he's just experiencing this for the first time and I'm looking at them and I'm like, is this normal? And they're like most days and I'm like this is most days. Why am I looking at grey and brown? I? Know, I should be looking at blues and greens all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, because it's like when you live in a city like this, it's just fucking dim and gloomy and there are enough of real life. It's true, you mean? Yeah, I try to stay.
Speaker 2:This is honestly, this is why I end up climbing buildings, Because it's just like there's no adult playgrounds for us. Exactly. We still want to play, I still want to go out and play.
Speaker 1:You get old enough and you can't go out and play anymore. Shut up, it's shit, isn't it? It is. I want to go out with my mates, and when you do climb a building, you're getting in trouble.
Speaker 2:For it people trying to chase you off. Last week, yeah, I went to Toon Bridge, had no plan, this bridge at all. Honestly, I found this. I found this what is it like? An abandoned church, but it's in the middle of a lake. It's like lock beg or something like that. It's just above lockney and I was like, fuck, I'm gonna go up and check this out. Looks gorgeous. Just found it on the map. So my mate sam, he was up for it. We're like we'll. Uh, we saw him we'll go for.
Speaker 2:Uh, sorry, we were slaying you earlier, man um.
Speaker 2:We were so we went up at direction and, uh, I just I didn't know what direction we were going. To be honest, I was like, let's go here and we'll check it out. It's gorgeous, by the way, you should go and check it out. Really nice spot and it was a perfect day blue skies, I don't know where. Two weeks ago and, uh, we're about to cross this bridge and I'm just like, mate, I can't believe where we are. We need to stop. Like today's the day, I've been driving across this bridge for, I think, maybe 10 years now. Yeah, I need to like. I remember honestly. I remember being like 10 and being like I want to climb that bridge and I'm 26 now, so it took me 16 years to make it happen and then the cops ended up coming, so we pulled over. Anyway, I was like fuck it, I'm climbing up this. There was a wee video on my Instagram of it may as well.
Speaker 1:It was casual.
Speaker 2:You climbed up fucking literally may as well, get a video of it, it'd be you actually did do the thing you said you wanted to do yeah, you did it. So I climbed up it and, uh, sitting at the top and the views are insane. People won't see that shit because they're not doing it, you know, and that's why I do it.
Speaker 2:It's like it offers a perspective that the city won't let you see you know, you have to find your own beauty, like you have to be curious enough to create a path. You know, rather and that's in life, isn't it? Like you have to create a path. You can't just keep following, like you can follow people and it'll get you far enough, but there comes a time where you have to. You have the trailblazer. You got to take a left or a right, you gotta get off the trail.
Speaker 2:So anyway, me getting off the trails, climb up that bridge and then, coming back down, some guy was like man, I'm so sorry. I rang the cops. I thought, uh, I thought you're gonna do yourself and I was like fuck shit. I was like, oh, I'm not like I was gonna crack. Just he's like I'm so sorry, you need to go. I rang them like five minutes ago. I was like, right, sweet. So we get in the car. And as we get in the car, the cops appear and I'm like, for fuck's sake, this dickhead like he should have just rang them back, or?
Speaker 2:something and said like listen, false alarm, because that was his responsibility. So we started driving away and I was like I just felt guilty. I was like this is going to escalate. They were flying down the road there.
Speaker 1:I thought it was funny.
Speaker 2:And then I was like this isn't funny, this actually isn't. So we spun back around. I pulled up to the cops and was like listen, and they were like was it you? And I was like, yes, this is exactly why I'm here. I've just seen all the commotion, realised that this is becoming a big thing and I don't want it to get any worse. I was climbing up there. It was good crack, you know, I just went up to see the scenes and he's like you just went up there to see the scenes and I was like I just told you, yeah, because the guy started to like, like slobber to me.
Speaker 2:I was like listen, I'm fucking here telling you that you shouldn't waste your time, and I'm doing the right. I could have went home you didn't catch me yeah, so anyway, he ends up calming down a barbigade. The ambulance there was fucking a ringer. I was like this is a shit show. And he started trying to tell me off and all I was like yes, yes, yes. And he's like right, so you know, you can't be climbing bridges anymore.
Speaker 1:And I was like, aye, this one and then I laughed at him and I was like man, listen, you're not going to stop me. And I was like no, I'm only joking but at the end of he's like come on.
Speaker 2:Like, oh, no, guess, I have to stop that now.
Speaker 1:Your man's. Probably I'd have took. I'd have took all the crap. I talked him down. Yeah, I'm the fucking spiciest and I talk people off bridges. That's what I do, so you can go on. He's okay, he's in a calm state and and it's all good. That's what I should have done.
Speaker 2:Next time? There's always a next time Next time I'll tune in back to you, will do I spoke to him and he listen.
Speaker 1:he's all good Listen he's 100% back. I have a fucking master's in psychology and I spoke. Listen, I understand, like I read this book the other day and I was literally it was just telling me like you know and save him and Wayne.
Speaker 2:Just God just presented me with this guy and there you go, nice save, and he owes me his life.
Speaker 1:You should not go go home and relax, and you can tell your wives about it.
Speaker 2:They're under control we don't need you no more. That's really good. Actually, I'm going to use that next time. Oh no, no, listen, I don't care, have your camera rolling.
Speaker 1:Yeah about them, no know. Like like just oh boy, are you talking to me and I have it under control. Like don't worry, I've spoken to Darren and it's all good, he's in a safe place and appreciate your concern. But I've got it.
Speaker 2:I've got it for you.
Speaker 1:We need to start calling ourselves like Superman or Spider-Man exactly. I'm a fucking villain.
Speaker 2:I was thinking talking down the villain and he has no idea I caused all this commotion and I'm just down here just sizzling, helping it all sizzle itself out like it's great. I'm just clearing the flames. You know what I mean. I let the fire on, put it out. I'm never sure that's the one, isn't it is there.
Speaker 1:Have you any goals of like? Is there anything specific that you want to like? Let's say, I know like goals are goals and there's stuff you want like I want to jump 40 or like 150 feet, but is there a place, where is there something you have like a vision in your head, where you want to go to a certain place and do a certain thing, a certain way?
Speaker 2:a certain way. Well, in a sense, yes and no, right. So the the thing I spoke about earlier was kind of like, uh, competition, um, and realizing that you create urgency in your life, you know, and it's a good thing as well, uh, so, to answer the question in short, for some reason I'd love to go to oregon. I want to go to oregon because there's a couple of, like OG, cliff jumping spots there, waterfalls that I want to jump off. But in terms of actual goals, my whole perspective has shifted to. I want to keep on living in the way that I do, doing the mad shit, you know, just playing just going out and playing.
Speaker 2:You know I sound so childish, but it's like it's the fundamentals of life for me. Maybe I want to climb a tree, maybe I want to skate, Maybe I want a free dive, maybe I want to jump off a cliff, maybe I want to just go and swim, maybe I want to enter any fun activity. Yeah, my mission now is to actually create a life where I can do that because I want to do it. So when and where, and that comes through creating financial freedom, you know and that is my current pursuit and there's a lot of sacrifice getting into it right now.
Speaker 2:So how am I compensating? Climbing buildings? You know, I could have went and done a ski trip and just messed about and made some cool memories, but I would have been working for some jackass probably. Yeah, exactly, it's not the way. So I'm in pursuit of creating my own thing so that if I want to go skiing or if I want to go snowboarding or if I want to, you know, jump off a cliff, I can do it. But the natural inclination will always be if I'm at this level, I want to try and get to at least that level.
Speaker 1:Small, small, small jumps, you know Just like fuck.
Speaker 2:If I held my breath for a minute and 10, I want to try and hold it for a minute and 15 minute and 20 because, what that means to me is I get to look at the fish for longer like, it's not even like, oh, but that's it.
Speaker 2:Like the progression is the enjoyment that you get out of the. The activity, like jumping off an 80 foot cliff, is just an exceptional, unique experience, you know. So I'm only doing it not for the number but for the fact that, like for the length of time, yeah, if you're jumping 20 metres it's over quicker.
Speaker 1:If you jump 80 metres, you're in that area. It's like you say, it's like a Sackens Creed feeling. It's like you've got that for longer and you're like gliding through the air exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean, you feel and you hear the wind like it's mental. I've had some exceptional moments jumping off cliffs like I wonder what the scariest one would be.
Speaker 1:I know I was going to ask you what would be like the scariest, like.
Speaker 2:I know that's. Do you know? There's actually one and it's only because it's sketchy up in Ballantoy it's like 50 foot and I've done much more than that so if I went back today, I'd do maybe a triple flip off it.
Speaker 2:Um, it would just be, it'd be, it'd be a challenge, it'd be a bit scary but it'd be grand, uh, whereas there's other ones that have done, but you know, it's a safer land and I think c just because of the sketchiness of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably the scariest ever jump, because that was me breaking through from like respectable 30 foot jump, which is like good, 10 meters that is, to going for a 50 foot jump, which is however many meters that is, you know, and it was significant enough to be like this is going to be nuts. I remember looking at my friend at the time and he's like you're going to do it and I'm jumping out straight here and he's recording there and obviously he's down in front of me and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it, but the direction the wind is blowing, it's like hitting me in the face and I can't. I can hear, completely fine, when I'm looking at him. See, as soon as I turn around, it's like can't hear shit. So it's like you just enter into this really intense moment. Yeah, so it's about the environment. I would say like, see being in that wet, windy environment.
Speaker 2:Yeah makes everything more scary it's like god screaming in your ear like you know this is going to be nuts, whereas when there's no wind and there's birds chirping and there's a wee butterfly yeah, you're like it's free, it's like freedom, yeah it's just like you're.
Speaker 2:You know what do you call it? It's like the Garden of Eden, you know. So, to summarize, like the biggest thing is I just want to create a life of freedom so that I can do what I want to do and I can invite people into it. It's the biggest mission. I don't want to do it on my own, like that's shite.
Speaker 1:I want to invite people into it and make memories and look good for people. We'll be able to bring all you boys up and just open up a door.
Speaker 2:you know because it's exposure. Like you'll never get good at boxing unless you know you're around people that are good at it. You'll never get good at cliff jumping, you'll never get good at, say, free diving if you never meet a person or are fortunate enough to be in a position that you can practice it. Because, like you said, if you don't know it, you don't know. You don't know. What you don't know Exactly, you never know, so you can never explore it.
Speaker 1:I love the nature side of things. When I was younger I went hunting loads with my dad. I thought it was hunting and camping and we loved that buzz of hunting and getting something or getting a fox or getting whatever Unreal, and it was unreal as kids. But I sort of want to bring my wee lad down that road now.
Speaker 1:Like to be, like that to be because, like my dad, had every animal in the sun. We've had ferrets, we've had dogs, we've had fucking fish, like still have pigeons and my wee lad loves animals and but he's never went hunting. My dad's fucking can't walk 40 metres and his lungs are fucked from pigeon pigeon lung. He has oh serious, he smoked 100 a day. He's never smoked in his life has this just been in the shed?
Speaker 2:and all just been in the shed all the bacteria.
Speaker 1:It's just it's fucking deteriorated as well, so he's like he has coughing fits. If he walks like 100 metres, he'd be like coughing like fuck so I want to. I want to start ranching down that road of like, like nature, nature, just yeah, bring them in the black man. Because when I agree up, I literally grew up on the black man. Now I've run around, I know that black man like the back of my Kelly Kelly.
Speaker 2:Well, now we are like what is Ryan Kelly's, his brother's?
Speaker 1:oh, yes, yes, I think she's doing up there, and I'm sure you've seen all about it like so stuff like I that he's keeping it alive you know what I mean, because that's memories that you had, I know because they're trying the quarries, obviously just digging it and putting it all away, destroying it. But the memories I have going up there is like I literally grew up every day of the summer. That's where I was and I would have come. I've got to come home every day, clothes racked man. Yeah, yeah, what the fuck. Best days, man. Best days of my life.
Speaker 2:When was the last time you went out and you got your shoes?
Speaker 1:or your fucking clothes stinking Exactly. That's a sin.
Speaker 2:I know that is like I think it's a sin, like even for me, see if I haven't been out in a while.
Speaker 1:And what am I doing like I'm not?
Speaker 2:living. You know, so it's, and I think even on the perspective of you know, like, what it means to be a man in a sense as well, like, see, if you don't have that connection with nature and you don't have that connection with you know, maybe the aggressive side to yourself and also the ability to maybe, like, hunt and kill something, I feel like it's a real unfortunate thing to not at least get a little bit of experience with it, you know 100%.
Speaker 2:I want to do more of it as well, but it definitely. I think that's what makes what do you call it like right of passage you know what I mean like we don't have that anymore. No, 100%.
Speaker 1:I have a mate like one of my good mates, tommy. He does. Once hunting season starts, we don't see him amazing, and I mean like we don't see him. He has like loads, he's just, he's just capricorn. And we went out with him like a couple of months ago or a couple years ago was we went down them like a load of fields in monaghan. We caught like 26 rabbits. We caught 26 rabbits and put them in a big bag and they sell them now, yeah, yeah, or you can give them to his dogs and his dogs like give his dog a slip. That's mad, but he was selling them for like a fiver a dog because people no way, people who race dogs will use it, yeah, to train the dogs yeah so we're like we had like a rucksack full of rabbits, two rucksacks, two big coal bags.
Speaker 1:I'm like it's good buzz, but it's like he just goes missing from, say like September right through and you don't see him because the hunting season starts so he'll work all day and at night time he just goes lamping, lamping, like because it's dark. Once it starts getting dark he's out lamping, hunting with his dogs or foxes or badgers and that's he just goes off radar because he's away till like 3 in the morning, goes to work back again, does it all again and you just come see him for months.
Speaker 2:Serious love for him, but it's a good buzz.
Speaker 1:It's because of the buzz, like you say. It's that the adrenals, whenever you're in a ditch and you have to give a dog, and they factor and they badger and they're fighting back. There's a badger or a fox is getting the better of the dog. Yeah, yeah, throwing our dog in and the nether has gone mad. You know what I mean. It's, it's freaky, it's mad like, but it's, it's a good buzz.
Speaker 2:It's also nature as well. It's nature. That's what it is. That's what happens, like there should be aggressors in the world period. You know what I mean. Like, how did we evolve? The fact that there was things out there trying to kill us is what's probably more than likely, what made us become more social, because we realise we're like if we go out there on our own and we get, you know, stalked by a leopard or something, or a lion, we're done for.
Speaker 2:Whereas if we're in a group, likelihood is we've got a much higher chance of killing this thing, or at least just shine it away you know, but that's what we don't have like. So I do think that's why the the mountains is a big thing for me as well, like see being a young kid and go on cabin and uh, like you were saying, about your wee one as well.
Speaker 2:You bring them everywhere and it's like you want to help your kid build exposure to the realities of life rather than sheltering them yeah to like you know, oh, you know, you can only look at this and listen to this and, you know, I don't really believe in that, in a sense like I believe that you should open up all the doors, yeah, and help them understand what things are and why yeah because then they get to make their decisions and then they become a more um, what would you say like socially, socially intelligent? Yeah, like individual like you know, like you're saying, everyone can speak to everyone he speaks to everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he speaks to speak clearly.
Speaker 2:Everyone goes and hiya like just, I've never seen him before just goes over talking and people it was like is that you're kidding me?
Speaker 1:like fuck it in a restaurant.
Speaker 1:He's just up at the tap yeah, making friends or something like an old woman, an old man like, talking to me. We were in a hotel down in down in Newry somewhere I forget, and I I looked up it was like Christmas time and we're sitting having a drink and I looked up in the lab and he's just standing talking full blown conversation with some old man, some old woman. He is that your son? I go look at him. I was like leave him. He's fucking so smart. What age is he? He's like 3, like 3, what the like?
Speaker 1:he had a full scale conversation with his son. He was telling us about his, his dad's pigeons. He calls his dad, his granddad, dad's pigeons. He speaks Irish. He's like my dad's pigeons. He's talking about that. He's like, oh, he has pigeons and he said his daddy's a boxer and all and I was like and he just holds his own for anyone and that's why I just want to, I want him to just I bring him everywhere and he just let him.
Speaker 2:That's it, mate, and he's just spreading the word like you know what I? Mean whatever you teach him, he spreads so like you bring him into the forest. He speaks about the forest. You know, I've got all this to look forward to as future.
Speaker 1:You know, down the line down the line, don't be getting tricks here and there. Girls, relax, just settle ahead, don't be jumping in there.
Speaker 2:I'm not even I, just the idea is in my head. It's like, okay, it's a reality at a time, but like I'm not rushing to make that real. No, no, I've some stories to you know to create first. You know some shit to do so I can be like 26.
Speaker 1:You said, yeah, 26, plant the time for it yeah, that's one of the mild stories, that's my, I ain't gonna. That's my tomorrow. I'm bringing a wee lad to the cinema tomorrow, but I ain't gonna bring him up down tomorrow. Just make spears that's it.
Speaker 2:Just be like right, we're gonna give him a knife.
Speaker 1:Just be like listen there's a knife on it later. Go and burn something just go and burn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what my dad did and honestly it gave me so much. It gave me so much confidence in the forest. I go camping on my own all the time, but I haven't. Since I've been back here, I've just been, honestly, I've been like a shell of myself, but for good reason you know I'm dedicated to other things, but it's temporary.
Speaker 1:Get financially ahead of yourself, so you can go and do all the other adventures 100% long term stability is what I'm making.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm not, I'm not interested in, like you know. Oh, I need a wee holiday here, a wee holiday there. Like my life should be a holiday. You know, I'm creating change, I'm creating money and I can give the people that I love what they want and what they need. I'm not trying to be a millionaire, but if I make a couple million happy days right, they'll use it. Well, you know. So that's like the big mission, but definitely like see being around all my uncles and all camping and just watching them and all being blocked and fucking crawling out the forest and they're camo on their feet, like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:mean they're big kids, they're like 27, 28, and they were camo on their faces even back then and uh, they bring up pelicans and all and uh, they'd be doing their bodybuilding. You know, they're like, they're yeah, they're just, they were just cool guys to be around.
Speaker 1:That's the typical one. People like there's.
Speaker 2:Obviously women are always like men, or so women share that yeah one change it listen you need it, we need it and we, we are nothing if we're, if we don't change it. Listen, you need it, we need it we are nothing if we don't have that, like you know, we need to have those hobbies that are just for the crack yeah, big time more life for the crack like less fucking less for living less for living, less for living, yeah we'll wrap it up here, but thank you for your time and thanks for coming in and sharing the stories.
Speaker 1:Anybody who wants to watch this lunatic do some crazy shit. Get on his Instagram and see what I see the tingles be in your feet going.
Speaker 2:What's going on?
Speaker 1:the tingles be tingling the animal body on Instagram yeah, lethal, lethal pleasure thank you, cheers.