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The Public Nuisance Podcast #018 “Snoozing Boyle” with Paddy McCorry
The Public Nuisance Podcast #018 “Snoozing Boyle” with Paddy McCorry
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome MMA fighter, Paddy McCorry to the podcast
We cover MMA weight classes, Making Weight, TUF, UFC, Cage Warriors, Paul Hughes, PFL, Content, Fighting Mentality and much more.
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The Public Newsness, sean McCoy. Welcome to this episode of the Public Newsness Podcast, brought to you from Killin' Studios right here, where you can get all your content done photo shoots, even your own podcast right here With us today. Paddy McCoy. What's the story, fella? What's happening? Sean? Thanks very much for having me. Bill, it's a pleasure. Sure, got you a bigger seat. Fucking says he can with us today.
Speaker 2:Paddy McCoy. What's the story, fella? What's happening? Cheers for coming in, lad, all good.
Speaker 1:Thanks very much for having me sure got you a bigger seat fucking size. What are you about?
Speaker 2:60, 64, 63, something about that I didn't realise until you were walking through that door. I was like fuck me, he's actually massive 64 with mopping head.
Speaker 1:63 with shave barnet. Take a wee dabble off. What are you? Middleweight? What is that there? On UFC and MMA 84 kilo 84,. Fuck me when I was an amateur.
Speaker 2:I was always welterweight and then my pro debut moved up.
Speaker 1:Because the weights are different from boxing, so I always get confused. What's Paul Paul's like?
Speaker 2:Paul's a lightweight, but he's 70 kilo. Oh, I see, that's mine.
Speaker 1:That's only like 60, 60 kilos in boxing. So it always, always get confused, because people go to me Paul's the same weight as you, and then I go, aye, he's not, aye, aye, aye, because he's thick. It's so different.
Speaker 2:The gaps in the weights as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you hear boxers going.
Speaker 2:He's a three weight world champion and he's moved up in like the weight class above and like 7 or 8 in the weight class below me.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. It's metal. You must be, would you well? 80, what are you? 84?
Speaker 2:well, I'm about, I'm not 84 now like. I don't know 100, 100 would you fuck me?
Speaker 1:you're 16 kilo.
Speaker 2:I would drop.
Speaker 1:I would say I'd probably take off just over a stone, but you used to have two day I used to be tiny like.
Speaker 2:See, whenever I turned pro I I was my first middleweight fight and I I walked about 86 kilo and you went in at 84 and the fella. I fought my pro debut his fight before I was at heavyweight and then he cut down the 84 and I was like fuck me. He grabbed me against the cage and you couldn't even see me. Whenever he grabbed me I was tiny like, so I knew I had to put on you just imagine what they're putting back on after they weigh in rehydrating my first fight in kids wars.
Speaker 2:I fought James Webb and he said he started his cut god knows how much out at 118 kilos he was up at and I was like I'm walking about 86 here and he's fucking 110 you're giving away away so much like, especially with disciplines.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like you can just move box and be faster, because it's not like that, it's 100% me once I get a hold of you especially if it's in the smaller cages, it's better in the bigger cages.
Speaker 2:You make them look stupid because of no feet work when they're that heavy. But fuck me, it was wild, uh, until I put on a wee bit of weight. And I mean them are walking about with fucking doctors and nutritionists doing it right down to the sense I was eating a nando's the night before. I think this is lethal.
Speaker 1:I remember I used to panic because I used to make weight very easily as well still do, but I do it right now. I remember being the night before a fight. I used to be a kilo over and I was freaking out. I was like what the fuck if I was a kilo the night before a fight and there used to be like a kill over and I was freaking out. I'd be like what the fuck? If it was a kill over an hour before the win, I'd be happy.
Speaker 2:It's mad like the more you get to know your body, isn't it? It's mad Like I see people like amateurs in the gym. They're in the fucking sauna on the Monday sweating it out, and they're going at 1 what the fuck are you doing Like wear sweatsuits for weeks.
Speaker 1:I mean like we have to do that in the morning.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, like when, when I go in the fight week now and it's all under control. But if I told someone when I was cutting, they'd be like what the fuck? But I literally do one bath, one wrap in the morning and I'd be making weight just because of that Do you water cut, trust it.
Speaker 1:I salt load and then just take the salt out, salt load and then deplete it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so just like I eat the same thing, I'll fight a week, just have it tailored and then just load up on the salt, cut it out, and then I'd be pissing out like 15, 16.
Speaker 1:What would you go up to after, like, if say, let's say you get in the ring, what would you go in the ring at?
Speaker 2:Probably about 97, 96. Fuck me, it's still something going on Aye aye, it's still a good load of weight.
Speaker 2:I feel strong now. I feel like I'm finally growing into my weight Because I always wanted to be sitting about 100. I always thought that would be the sweet spot for me to walk about. You know like whenever I'm not getting ready for a fight. And then that last fight there I was sitting at 106. I broke my heart. It was after the ultimate fighter I show has to be showed. So they're like you can not fight for six months. So in them six months I just fucking ballooned up and weighed. It was like 106 kilo. And then I started training like fuck, and I couldn't break 105. I was like, oh fuck, I'm gonna have to move up here. But I ended up getting it down and then the wake-up wasn't too bad, like thank fuck so she had the, the feather today.
Speaker 1:You were based out there, weren't you?
Speaker 2:all right. So you go to vegas, go six weeks. It's mental, but you go over for six weeks. You go over for a week, you know, like in the hotel room before you go into the house, and then you do five weeks in the house but see, in the hotel you're still not guaranteed to be in the house. So they're going to me, fucking go around your family and friends there and take videos of them and ask them how they feel about you going to Vegas. But they're telling me 20 is coming over and only 16 is getting in. And I had the lowest record out of everyone in the house. So I was like I'm not fucking asking my mates how they feel about going to Vegas.
Speaker 1:I'm fucking going to get an hour back here. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Go away, I'll be back home with the EDS here, go away just scum there.
Speaker 1:We're going to go away back home now later 1am. Australian everyone getting their cars with dollars and all that's it 1am. Australian jobs are way over for two weeks everybody plucking their money back stop waiting on you in the airport with my money fucking Wales.
Speaker 2:I was thinking I'm going to go over here and get that back. I only have five fights or something. I've been pro fucking ten years over. So I was think if anyone's getting that back here, it's me. But when they go over and they watch you, they bring you in and interview you, watch you training and all, and they'll try and get a wee bit of an eye on, you assess you basically, and then you go into the house for like five weeks and then you come home.
Speaker 2:It's not on the TV for three months and then it's a 12-week show, so you can't sign the fate or do anything until that. So it was like the fucking longest time. I knew I was definitely going to have a gap from a term pro, so it was a melt.
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Speaker 2:all middleweight. No, eight middleweights and eight featherweights. There was a time in the house one of the featherweights was heavier than the middleweight. Oh yeah, my wrong, because he only got told a couple of days before he was going in the house that he was going in and there was like they were going to shave his head and all one of the things to make him, make him make weight. He missed one of the weights but it was their fault for not telling him until so late that he was going in. There was like a version over there and he was a welterweight and he just fought at middleweight. So he was walking around like 82 kilo and then one of the nights my run was doing he was 83 and he was fighting at 66.
Speaker 1:So it and mental but there's people who always go. You need to stay ready get it.
Speaker 2:You've got to stay ready.
Speaker 1:No, 100%, you need to switch off because you were saying it's their fault for not telling them they're probably going. It's your fault for not staying ready. No, 100%, it's. So. People say to me all the time you need to stay ready, go, stay ready. There's more to life than that. I've fucking sacrificed my whole life to do this.
Speaker 2:I don't understand how much you need to switch on. It's not healthy to be in that state of mind all year round, because I'd be up and down and I'd be one day.
Speaker 1:I'm like a burg, because one day you'd be high like thinking like a big opportunity's coming, and then you're buzzing.
Speaker 2:You've told everyone and people don't understand it, like if you're a footballer, you know I'm in season here or fucking, and that there is no matches of pre-season, whatever every other sports like that where we're all year round. You could be fighting in December, you could be fighting in January. There is no, like certain months of the year where we know you're definitely not fighting, so you can't be staying in that frame of mind all year round it's not healthy.
Speaker 1:Don't have you. Don't have a helpful relationship because you don't know whether you have a heavy drink or whatever stuff planned and like that 100, just small things as well you just don't be paying attention to.
Speaker 2:You just be disregarding things, and obviously you need to like have time for people around you, but whenever you're fighting, you're just tunnel vision are you? Are you contracting that the cage wars no it's just fight by fight near enough basically I I say like a five feet contract with kids, with Cades Warriors, but it was five fates for 18 months. Then I had three fates and then I went in the OMA fater. But see the president of Cades Warriors, graeme Boylan, he's my manager. Oh, that's sweet, because what?
Speaker 1:I was thinking is like whenever, obviously, if we're, if the phone rang for you to go into the UFC, would you be able to do that?
Speaker 2:Oh, 100%, just because it overrated or I don't know what went wrong, no matter what, even if I was saying the cage warriors, on the cage warriors contracts, they have a clause that the only people they'll release you for is the.
Speaker 1:UFC Cage warriors is like the step. It's the gateway, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the gateway to get the UFC. So even if you are not, but basically like even if I was in contract now and it was a bigger fate or something to me more, sense I'm sure green would just be able to fit anyway. He would be in control of it needs my manager, so it helps that way, that's how they have.
Speaker 1:You're obviously 26 for you and the three is that's in the RDS that's big, like the rds still big. What was that whole four thousand?
Speaker 2:oh, I think so, something like that. But it still just has like at work. I'm good to be, I'm glad to be fighting at home, like. But see the three arena.
Speaker 1:Because it's an arena I know what you mean like because like obviously we have the ssc up here with them and you're fighting something different.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, yeah, yeah and stuff yeah, it just doesn't hold the atmosphere as well or something. Just even walking out and just seeing that like the rows of people, like oh, the lighting, 100%, it gives you like a big faith feel. That I didn't really get on the RDS the last time, but I'm just glad to be fighting at home, so I'm going home mate, so was your last fight in the Ultimate Fighter, was it? Nah, I fought in London in the O2, like the end of the O2 and then who's world title some fella.
Speaker 2:Dario Balandi. He's like an Italian fella. I think it's perfect style for me. Looks forward tight guard. You know what I mean and is that like a?
Speaker 1:is that a goalie, or would you want to move on before you get that? No, that's some people do, I don't think feel like they just move on, like if an offer comes, they're like they're going to a bigger platform, they'll take it. But I mean, yeah, it's strange, you were like the one with the world title.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, 100%. That's been my goal from day one. Like when I joined the gym, like Karl Muir and all Were like kids warriors, were jumping in Joe Paul. So that's like like I'm saying them is doing, I'm like I need to be winning the kids world title. Like I haven't really looked past it. Like everyone else will put their own projections on you, like you're going to do yes and this, but for me it's only ever been the kids were as well until like what?
Speaker 1:like once it, once I do that, then I'll look past it and look on the next thing, but for me that's that's my main goal is just to win one goal at a time, like yeah, 100, like it's supposed to, all sort of like that, very like that, like you wanted to win the world title and yeah, and he sort of obviously people always say he paused me in the uc, but he has.
Speaker 1:He probably has his reasons for not being the uc, and then he has his vision set on, but like and then it gets the stage when you get that big platform. What his pfl is, yeah, and he's still getting a big, massive platform on a big mass stage and he's getting paid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's just trailblazing at the minute like he's like before it used to be go to kids wars and go and get the ufc. Now people are looking at the way paul's doing it. Being like this is a completely new option for for fighters in this country. You know what I mean. He's literally trailblazing in that way. But just also getting the five round experience don't I mean like training for five rounds, getting that like championship rounds and just getting the world hit under your belt before you go to the UFC is just something that I've always, uh, wanted to do. You know what I mean, but I think it's well within my sights now.
Speaker 1:Like what's the? Uh? So like a cage as cage warriors ranked? Is that a ranking if we can fail for world title?
Speaker 2:no it doesn't. No, there's no real rankings, like see, sometimes like people like the UFC will come in and saying people who aren't champions in the division and not saying the champion. You know what I mean? It used to be like as soon as you get this belt, the UFC will send you, but then now they're coming in and sending people who are just like more exciting or whatever than the champion, because no way, the way the boxing's going, we're like, it's not even how good you are anymore, it's about like if you have like a social media.
Speaker 2:You're famous before you go into content.
Speaker 1:So it's probably with like UFC. You're going like someone who's exciting that's it man, content is currency.
Speaker 2:He's this like if you're a fader and you have a fucking YouTube channel, you're going to get handed your fates because they have more content that they can like, use to promote the fete and, in turn, lay in their own pockets you know what I mean 100%. It's just trying to find that fine lane where you're not running about like a fucking influencer.
Speaker 1:I know there's nothing as bad as some faders do my fucking head in like, even, like.
Speaker 2:Even in our own gym, you'll see, I'm like they're up here two days a week and every single night they're posting fucking statuses as if they're the hardest workers. You're like there needs to be a fine lane like. I think paul has a perfect balance of it. Like paul works hard as he also gives people like we sneak peeks and does his vlogs and all he's always been. He's always done a perfect. To be fair, he's like led the way for people in our gym in terms of like content and building yourself like outside of the cage. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He's like the food package in the yeah oh, but he's like, as you say, he works his body.
Speaker 2:So exactly that's it. It doesn't work. If you don't work, your balling soft, I lost that time and he was.
Speaker 1:He just started doing these mad 10 mile runs over the mountains and I was like what are you doing that for?
Speaker 2:he is fit as fuck.
Speaker 1:He's just the ultimate competitor, the ultimate competitor and we used to do the runs in the graveyard.
Speaker 2:I used to smoke him and he used to go like that if I won always hands up, you'd be doing sprints with him and you're bent over.
Speaker 1:He's like get up and I'm like get me a red. I'm 80 kilos here trying to shift a bit of timber.
Speaker 2:He's squealing at me for taking a breather, just a different main set.
Speaker 1:That's why he is where he is. He's intense, I know, but sometimes you have to enjoy. I'm sure he isn't doing anything, but I mean, like we better have fun though, relax, relaxation along the way.
Speaker 2:There's different types of failures, and they're like people.
Speaker 1:When I went to the changing room, my changes was pure crack oh, I mean constantly joking and slaying like big party.
Speaker 1:Mccurry was in my team before and, uh, in the ulster hall and he was like you're afraid next, and I was just like we're all laughing and joking Hall and he was like you're fighting next and I was just like we're all laughing and joking. And then I was sitting there pausing and we're slagging about and they were all like that's just my way of dealing. I don't like getting in the chain, even sitting and thinking about the fight.
Speaker 1:Cause I fought them for weeks and weeks and weeks and what I'm gonna do on that style and what happens if this happens?
Speaker 2:especially with your stale being loose is important.
Speaker 1:So like and in there and you're seeing people like, but that's, people deal with it differently. Yeah 100%.
Speaker 2:It's not like a one size fits all approach. You know what I mean. Like not like I hate having nervous energy around me. You know, like in the chain rooms, you can sense when people are shitting themselves, even if they annoys me. You know what I mean because you're just chilling and like you're blessed to be able to do what you're doing like if you.
Speaker 2:If you're getting that point, you're like sick, I have to do this. You probably shouldn't be doing it. I'd be feeling blessed. I'm definitely at my hobbyist just before I'd be walking out the fight like so. I like to be chilling too, but I understand that there's some people who like to be like shone down and switched on.
Speaker 2:Oh, you can't get a word out of them. Some people. That works for like we smelly. You know jerry burns. He's like at two, he's like very intense and then he's like a wee animal whenever he gets in there and that works for him. But I'm definitely, with more children, like having a bit of crack for even sparring and all like. We've been doing a lot of rounds and hard rounds like. But I just would like having a bit of careful in front of it too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I think it's where we're from. You're always being like that's him.
Speaker 2:He's in there in a bad mood.
Speaker 1:He's in a bad mood, he's getting in there and he's going to kill someone.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. We're in relaxed, we're in trying to annoy you, getting you to jump a gun so he can, like fucking, pop you in.
Speaker 1:It's shit to go in relaxed, even in all tasks. You wouldn't be able to get that like a flutivity of like just moving and fainting and getting openings, you know what I mean 100%.
Speaker 2:Anytime I'm in being like I wanna hurt someone and you be doing stupid shit, you know what I mean 100%, 100%, 100%. It's like the people going in, going, I'm gonna land the big left hook. They're the type of people we make look stupid, you know what I mean with our skills so I never wanna be.
Speaker 1:People always say to you what are you thinking? Walking in the ring and all, I don't think anything. I don't even know what's going on in my head. I'd be like fuck it, I'm here now it's too late to think I'd just be down there and see.
Speaker 2:Nal McGreevy always says don't think, just do, that's the way it is at that point because you've done it that many times, it becomes muscle memory from you, from years of training. So there's no point in thinking fuck me, what's he going to do?
Speaker 1:You can see, it moves, a different way, did you ever see a clip of when Muhammad Ali's fighting George Foreman? And they're like, oh, he's just about to walk out? And he turns around and he starts slabering to all his team like his coach. He's like what are you on about, big George? Big George, come on, smell. He's all that nervous. He's just in the tunnel before he walks out the big arena. He just starts giving off. He's like big bad George, big bad George can't hit me what are you nervous for?
Speaker 1:what are you smell him? How am I supposed to beat him if he's all afraid of him? He's not the one to get in the ring with him. He's giving off and I'm like you get goosebumps isn't it?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, just a special mindset, isn't it like? The people who are behind him can't even comprehend being in that state of mind. They're probably looking at it statistically or logically, yeah, whereas at a fighter you can't really be hanging logically sometimes like fuck, let's knock him and him out like over overcome if you don't care yeah, I knocked him out, but he hasn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, it's just constantly cancelling out negative thoughts before fights, isn't it like oh it's, it's like fuck, but I sure I have good feet. They're, it's fast. Yeah, 100%. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean every answer. You have to have an answer for everything he does 100% and that's what you do at. He was good and I was like I'll beat him. I got three weeks notice and I said I ain't gonna beat him. And I taxed Jay and I said I ain't gonna beat him and I was sad and I wasn't telling anyone the fact that I was never gonna get met, that again I'll beat this. I can't tell you. Obviously I didn't.
Speaker 2:So you get stoned. I gave David a few quid. He drank it yo.
Speaker 1:What the fuck what you gonna bet him? I tried, man.
Speaker 2:Fuck me.
Speaker 1:I got a bar mogul who stoned me up twice because he obviously bet me, and then I backed him to bet Jack Hatter, only non-obsession, and he fucking bet him on a split.
Speaker 2:Was it a split? Aye, so it was fucking. Was it a split in yours or the?
Speaker 1:No, it was a split, mine Aye. I beat me 2-1. Two judges won, one judge gave me fucking seven rounds, mate that was a fucking monster class, I know it was crazy. But so I was like fuck, he's done me up twice. He wore it out, fuck bit so fuck me, it was like 55 to 1 or something. No way for the double. And he was like fucking hell, that's a shot mate, that was fucking terrible, he's like I was about.
Speaker 2:I was in rain cover it's crazy that he's able to have that performance against you and then just walk away from it. I know it would be me alive me, someone was just a step ahead of you. The whole time you'd be wanting to prove it to yourself 100%, even if no one else has ever said anything. You know when you got got, you owe it to yourself to be like if I'm world champion.
Speaker 1:I need to prove I understand. There's world champions that are blessed and they've got close decisions, like Mayweather's had a couple of close decisions with Castillo. People say it was close, but they were close fights. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that man wasn't even close so see if that happened to me. I'd be like I'm good enough to flip that whole thing around.
Speaker 2:You know, whenever someone's a step ahead of you, the whole fight the way you were. It's not like that fight was up and down. Cease on you.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean it just looked like you were a step ahead and you had. I watch other fights and people be like, oh, it was robbery, I go, it wasn't robbery. Yeah, like the first B-Ball and Bitterby, I fight.
Speaker 2:I go oh, it was robbery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, close as fuck. No, you can't call fights like that. You can't call fights like that. And then I said again this time. Oh, it was closely. Yeah, it was robbery.
Speaker 1:It's an overused term isn't it?
Speaker 2:of course you know what I mean. When that genuine is, it happens.
Speaker 1:I always say, fuck me, have I ever lost? Because they're robbed of every fight the people who lose. I've lost loads in the Olympics. No one ever gets to see them because they're not on a global stage or they're not on like like. Mick Collins was on a global stage in the Olympics when he lost to Adresian, but Mick's been robbed before in the world.
Speaker 1:I was robbed in the world to qualify for the Olympics against Salomov, but no one sees it. No, it has happened. So it happens all the time, 100%. It's like when people come back from international tournaments like I was robbed, was robbed, was robbed fuck me, we were lost.
Speaker 2:100% even people coming up from Dublin. Every person comes up. I got robbed. You know what it Dublin. It's like some people were getting robbed but then, despite close fights, like you say, you can't be saying they're a robbery because everything's subjective subjective rounds.
Speaker 1:A judge, it's a vote. A judge is just a vote. You know what I mean. They can just vote whatever they want, like people like I don't know the score in MMA, I don't have a clue but it's what I seen from Paul's last fight.
Speaker 1:I thought I was saying look, from what I see and what I know, what I understand, I thought Paul won four rounds to one and me at the very least three, two, just one of them. Rounds were subjective. That I thought Paul might have just nicked was striking, but I don't know what striking. So I was like people were asking me in the dad and he said I was getting my dinner and I had a chair and I was sitting there, wasn't it repenting like my barber was going? I was like Paul won that round and I was like I have no fucking clue.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's just two different sports. It's mad how different they're scoring.
Speaker 1:I don't even know me, but from what I'm seeing, yes yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:And MMA is constantly like it used to be. Like if you, if you hold someone against the cage and if you're doing a fall, if you're holding them or you win, then they change the tool. If you're trying to grapple but you're not doing damage, then then you're not scoring any points. So someone takes you down and you bounce back up.
Speaker 2:I'll take, that doesn't score at all, but in fact, in faith's like paul's they're scoring that over anything, but then you'll watch another fight where they're not scoring at all. So it's not. It's not consistent.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like they're changing the rules and then some people are being stuck on the old rule set and some people are trying to adapt to the new rule set. So, like Pat's, like what sort of stale do you?
Speaker 1:want me to be, so everyone needs to be held accountable. Yeah, that's it. So Pat's like what sort of?
Speaker 2:stale do you want me the Odyssey on kids were a couple years ago, took the fella down every round and was on top of him but wasn't doing much damage, and the fella won the fight off his back, laying on his back from a few short shots and scored against Matt. So after that Pat was like right, damage based, like fuck us, holding people down, we're all about damage. But then you're going out and doing damage and people are taking you down once or twice and then you're losing rounds. So then he's gonna fuck me what way we scored same with.
Speaker 2:I remember we were in, uh, thailand and garrett was fighting and I thought this was a beating like I thought he gave this fella terrible beating all five rounds and after the entire coaches he didn't get the decision and the thai coaches and guards going over. Like now you lost that fight and I was asking him to explain to me and he was basically saying if you hit someone four clean punches and he hits you one body kick, it just checks out them, score four punches. So his head could be going boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 2:But if he scores a kick, that's it like he, he's just appointed you or something, because they like, uh, score body kicks more than punches, which is why they're like so kick orientated. So the scoring is mental, because if you're Watson, you're like he's getting a head lumped off him here yeah, but he's just throwing one me kick back and he's just equalizing all the punches it's like different, like what would be the same.
Speaker 1:Is it the same here? So if garrett was the fade here and someone he's bothering someone, the full leg kick, but would the scoring?
Speaker 2:be the same here. Uh, like more like body kicks. But I think, like my tie, like the highest scoring Is body kicks, from what I know, but I haven't a fucking clue. But there's some stuff like If they're clinching and someone goes around their back, they're not even doing anything. But Garrett's like oh, it's a big score. And I'm like what the fuck? He went around his back and then the referee went break. No, like the way he went boxing. If you dip under, if you do that, that's a massive score.
Speaker 2:Like you've got someone's back and I'm like sure you didn't do fuck all. And he's like, no, that's a big score. So I'm like it's hard to fucking it's a lot to take in.
Speaker 1:It must be hard. Obviously, the MMA like you wonder how they see it's like because there's so many disciplines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I suppose it's not really understanding what the BJJ? What does that score? What does that score?
Speaker 2:yeah just fucking. But MMA is definitely the most confusing to score because sometimes, like, you'll be on top of someone and they'll roll around like, say, they have a Kimura like on your arm, it's nowhere near being finished, but they're doing it. So you stop hitting them, they're basically just holding on to it, but there's no way they can finish you from that position. Some, some judges, will see that as a submission attempt and they'll score that minute for the emmons, when you know this is a male off ever being finished. He's just trying to stall here, so I'm not punching him, you know what I mean. So mma is even more confusing because there's some submission attempts that score highly with that were nowhere near being finished and then, uh, some people just land on top of them. They'll be like, oh, that's massive control, where the r1's being like he's choosing to land on top of him and he's not doing fuck all when the other ones to get up and fade, so they're scoring at the one. He wants to be pushing the fate, you know I mean confusing as fuck.
Speaker 1:That's what? Well, that's why I would never. That's why I never gonna. Not that, it's just like never see when you get. When you get, do you certainly have a little box of them all the way to this point but I would love, I would always. I always said I went up once before I was saying on this before or have I not performed like just crap, crap all over the place?
Speaker 2:you were already too good of a boxer that's the way I am with fucking Muay Thai. I would love to have a Muay Thai fight, see.
Speaker 2:I love watching, especially the way Garrett and Al fit. If I watched the Muay Thai fights before Amon's I'd have been like fuck, that's really just kick me five times, I'll kick you five times. I've added footwork, boxing, hitting a nappy and hit there, schooling people and I'm like I would fucking love to have a fight like that. But I wouldn't like the traditional Muay Thai where they're just whacking away at each other. But once you get to a certain level in one sport, it doesn't really make sense, I know.
Speaker 2:I'd say you're just fucking throwing all the hard work you've put into one 100% fucking five, six, seven years and be ball deep in jiu-jitsu. But see if you learn five percent of jiu-jitsu, you can completely diffuse the situation. Or you can completely control fucking 90 percent of the population. Like see if you know a wee drop of jiu-jitsu and someone hadn't a clue, like just you understanding them body mechanics, you can diffuse the situation fucking so easily.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean because I had lanny in here last week and lanny's doing a wee bit and, uh, I'll probably get my chain in because it's the way it is now the way like just in terms of like self-defense, obviously going to the box, like for disciplinary reasons. Obviously bj general is going to be classed with gj. She's going to be classed for like discipline as well. But they're seeing, I have social media and phones.
Speaker 2:It's like if you hit someone and take them off, you're fucking done for a song 100% if you just tie someone up exactly and see the thing is see, like even even anyone who's like high level boxer or has boxed before or whatever, see if someone starts and you're trying not to fight them as soon as you bang him. It's chaos, even if you're a good boxer.
Speaker 2:It's chaos as soon as you land a punch, then it's just chaos, whereas if someone's trying to hit you and you arm, drag him and you choke him, or you just like have him in a position where you tell him that you're going to get choked. You can defuse the situation completely. You know what I mean. I remember we were going down to a fucking spa before and no like on the Springfield, we were fucking sitting in cabbages in my house and we were like go down and get a munch here. Went down to a spa to get a munch and this like it was a traveller. Fella was out the front of the spa and he was going at it with his bird and he was trailing her about and he was going at it with his birdie, he was trailing her about and all and I was like we were fucking. We put the blinkers on, walked in. I was like fucking involved in that. We went in this bar, went in, got a munch and then we came out and he was punching the fuck out of her and like everyone in the spa was just there, was just all peter pan taxi member like across the street all watching, and there was like a crowd of the women outside the spa all watching and she like had her hands up and he was banging her, punching her, punching her, but then she just dropped her hands like she was covering herself. And then she just dropped her hands. So she must have been about to go out and he still hit her.
Speaker 2:I was like fuck, it's now over and fuck, and I strangled him anyway. I was fucking strangling him and she get up, you're gonna kill him and all. And I was like I'm not relaxing and uh, you want to sleep anyway, and all that. I was like I'm not relaxing. And he went to sleep anyway and I fucking woke him up and you see before us he was a man, possessed, just squealing, going mad. I put him to sleep. He woke up. Nice as pie. I was like, mate, you were causing the scene, there's going to be cops here, just calm down. I walked him down the spring field, tapped in the arm of him after he was like fuck me, all right, mate, like there's no problem just get me out of here.
Speaker 2:I was like 100%, mate. That was getting madness. Sir, just walk down here, the cops are going to come, you don't want to be getting in trouble, whatever. And we just walked him down the springfield and he was brand new, completely diffused situation. She wasn't getting the hayden anymore, she's away home. He woke up brand new after a wee nap. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:it was like this completely diffused like, whereas if I had a run over and banged him it would have just been madness like, even if you knocked them out, it would still be fucking chaos, like whereas it's diffused with an old rear-end video like a file's battering his bird and then someone goes and attacks the file and then the bird.
Speaker 2:That's literally it. She got up squealing at me you're gonna kill me. I was like you were. You were near death. Two seconds, 100. It was fucking chaos.
Speaker 1:But at our get like gonna be jordan in the na or something.
Speaker 2:Belfast, oh yeah that's chaos half a time black, full of tablets or drugs, just shouting you need to be wearing a head, headgear and gums see long fucking down security in the NA, just walk out, just really choke look it up to wee kids and say I'm gonna go to the other to the other, them back on the ground on their own.
Speaker 1:No one wakes up wanting to go to fucking war. No one wakes up and chill.
Speaker 2:It's just so much easier to defuse a situation, even if you don't have to put someone to sleep. You can hold them in a way that you can have a yarn with them and let them know that they'll be chugged. It's just so much easier to defuse situations. I and you see men who don't know what they're doing and someone says something to them and their nerves go and they just bang them and I'm like this is fucking chaos now, Like it wasn't even no madness. You shit yourself a wee bit and now this is chaos.
Speaker 1:I just want chaos. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Fucking tables are getting free everywhere over him cracking them, whereas if they knew a simple wee 5% of Jiu Jitsu and could just control that and walk him out Like it's like playing with a fucking child whenever you actually know what you're doing, like realistically, like a spicy 100% seeing you have like someone, has he like I've been like hard to hang out with my partner, like me, before fucking about our day.
Speaker 1:Hasn't a clue how to do anything like that, but he just always seems to joke people out. There's he, coronel, at Gingerbun, he's always everywhere did he or? Proper, had him out sleeping like that and I was like what the fuck he got me before. I think we were in a party or something. He had me like.
Speaker 2:I was like, I was like tapping like fuck, it's mad how quick people go to see how vulnerable you are, and that's it.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh, fuck me 100% it's that wee tight squeeze when you're fucking, especially if someone's drunk can control them and you know a bit of jiu-jitsu, you just understand body mechanics is insane, whereas you have some doormen, they're telling you about all the furries you've had. Ivy sitting Jesus. Christ, this is gonna be a nightmare, he's just gonna start bringing swinging haymakers if someone says boo to him. It's just so much easier to diffuse a bit of jiu-jitsu like but people are, uh, it's not.
Speaker 1:The problem is now, you see, fucking like society. There's so much people involved in like that type of sport combat sport yeah, yeah, you wouldn't have a clue. 100 unless you have cauliflower ears, but like there's some very deceiving people on the team like, see, pat, we were in. We went to die before pat obviously had the has a cauliflower. So much being here. Something says something. I was like, okay, like I was going, that's you because he's so nice, yeah, and he's like, yeah, yeah, I was going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he doesn't know how he's so nice and he's like, yeah, I was going.
Speaker 1:He doesn't even know he's talking to you and it's so deceiving and next thing you'd be laying in the deck, fucking tied up like that that's why I don't even try and I I 100%, artie. He's as mad as he is like. He always confronts people if he has a partner and I'm like fuck it 100%.
Speaker 2:And I day so much deceiving in our gym who look like we nerds, and even me twice a season when I'm doing jiu-jitsu and they're doing stuff I mean I'm going, fuck me, it's madness, like you don't know who you're fucking with these days, like that's why you better just keep yourself to yourself so much.
Speaker 1:People are involved in it and like we were talking about the way in the car, even like someone was gonna be over there, there's nothing fana, he was up when he was up last week.
Speaker 2:That's all we need imagine a better run the bit with Billy Jijitsu. Imagine a better run the bit no, getting good at that, jesus people getting choked out like a big sander. I was rolling with him and he was like, well, and he was like I'm fucking loving it, I'm going to train Mondays, fridays, tuesdays, fridays that's him full time he'd been a black belt in a few years.
Speaker 1:Black belt no can do. Who the fuck is going to be chucked out 100%. He'd end up working on the door himself and snooze and boil with Victor running about he's barred from every bar in Belfast. He'd be up the door.
Speaker 2:Man, I go, I'm fucking you can't get a pint, so you will go for a pint.
Speaker 1:Victor's going sit in the house for a carry for his dad, near 40, and he's just sitting in the house for his dad for a carry on the drink and then he's the meat of the softer what a life.
Speaker 2:See the one thing about Jiu Jitsu. See if you're going to get good at it. You're going to get humbled over and over and over again.
Speaker 2:Like seeing you first go up, see the first two years. You're just trying to survive, you're just going fuck, I strangled me once or twice or and I've done it five times last week like that's the way it is at the start. You're not really getting anyone, but you're just trying to survive. So hopefully you'd like to think, by the time people get to a point where they control people or control people, they've been humbled so much where they wouldn't be out for a minute about. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean suppose, like, once you get humbled so many times, it's like you have to learn like, because being humbled is like see, like I've been humbled sparring now before like at like I'm like fuck and I have to spar the same person like the next day and. I'm like fuck, but it's near enough. It's that humbling where you make sure it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2:So, like you, have to learn quick, real quick. So if you get, choked out or something happens you're like right, I need a fucking and I think, see with MMA the difference in boxing and MMA for me. See, in a boxing gym, like say, you went to Holy Trinity, clonard, st John Boswell, there'll be one or two in there who don't want you to get to their level because they're the man yeah they always want to be the man 100%.
Speaker 2:They want to stay being the man. So they don't want it. We're seeing it in MMA gyms. No one has everyone's number. Like if you make box the ears of him, but then that one beside him will strangle you in. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Vice versa, you're always getting humbled in some sort of discipline. Or see, if you did like see if we were up on a Sunday and Pat seen me cut the head of a few people, he would make someone sit out and put it in an order where he knows I'm gonna get humbled. You know what I mean. So everyone constantly gets humbled. And then see if someone joins, it's like you know how much you get humbled at the start. So you wanna. So they can like learn a wee bit quicker because we're all on a level playing field. We're all up here getting humbled, we're all up here taking Hayden's, so everyone helps each other and just shares around with each other, whereas I feel like in boxing whenever I was growing up, all my mates like fade, so it was always easier for us to do a bit of training. But like, I feel like the people who were already are the Irish champions. They didn't want their mates to be Irish champions, because I'm an Irish champion and if he can do it, everyone can do it.
Speaker 1:So there's like a wee bit of like fucking animosity, almost even amongst mates.
Speaker 2:I found in boxing like I feel like if you join the boxing gym, people were less inclined to be trying to help you and tell you everything. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whereas MMA everyone is way humbled and just like genuinely wants you to be better. Like, yeah, see, whenever I my last fucking boxing fit uh, like I, I knew before before I went in this fit I was like and I'm just fading here because I don't want to pull it. But after fuck, I said come in my boxing. It was just too repetitive, I was just getting bored of it. But before then, like aiden waltz and conor burns would have been like the best boxers up here, can you?
Speaker 1:remember. Remember Conor Burns boxed for Holy Trinity. He was unreal.
Speaker 2:I remember watching him in Lake Antrims and all, and he was always slick as fuck. But I was fighting this fella and a couple of my mates were down in Dublin training at the time and they were like here he fucking stabbed Conor Burns and he broke Aidan Walsh's ribs. That's obviously a load of bollocks, but before I end, the only two boxers like the best boxers I knew at that weight was them two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they were like fuck, you're going to win if it's we're the boxers. So it was like, oh, here them two best. You know he bothered them. It's not like just so you're shitting yourself as a kid. So I was going to expect this to be a world-beater sweet as and just school him the third round and was like why the fuck was I going in there freaking out? But it was because they were like oh, do you know your man? Who's class he's?
Speaker 2:putting them on the pedestal 100% I don't know if it's just our gym, like I'm obviously being blessed to fucking to be in such a good gym at fate academy, but whenever I've joined, and even whenever my mates are joined, everyone's like come up here, we've got everything covered, everyone wants you to do well. Everyone's like fuck, I'm trying to help you where they can and give you a hand up, whereas I feel in boxing because people can go three, four years without ever getting battered in their gym to grow this ego that they probably don't even a stay up kind of thing.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean it happens.
Speaker 1:I believe it happens on the raids a lot like when you can see the amount of people who win Irish titles or multiple Irish titles before they hit senior level and then they get humbled when they turn senior and then they just go. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2:I remember whenever we fucking John Conlon used to always talk about saying I'm creating senior champions. I'm not creating and I was going what are you talking about? I want to win fucking challenges now, but it's only whenever you grow up you realize it actually don't mean fuck all till you're saying there's people who didn't never win a schoolboy title and then it's senior to just take off or a pro to take off and face versa.
Speaker 2:There's people who win everything and don't do fuck all. No one, even no one even knows them, right? You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean me and pete taylor, like when we're together we talk about it regularly. Like I met, like I won my first Irish tail when I was 15 and then lost when I was 16 in the youth twos and then won the under 18s, won the intermediates, won the under 21s won the Irish seniors won the Irish seniors won the Irish seniors. I won the matters no one.
Speaker 1:RD. My brother won boy. He won them five times in a row, from boy two right up to youth two, from boy two right up to youth two, yeah, and then went off a boy after that, yeah, I think he won the ulster seniors or something, but like he, he never done enough. And after he started working and shit got in the way where I'd done the opposite, you know what I mean. And then loads of people I grew up with like there's someone who beat me three times, michael glenn danning he actually done mma for a bit as well from there, he beat me three times I make one calm.
Speaker 1:Michael beat me three times in the ultra final and now he's nowhere to be seen. You know what I mean? And that's what happens with loads of people, because when you win so much see like I say this to kids now I would say like they are coming see all him. Underage boxing it means jack shit. No one remembers a nice champion for a boy one. And even if they do, what did they give for?
Speaker 2:it yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nothing. It only matters when you develop as a senior boxer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, and it probably even stunned. Obviously, it's amazing to win an Irish title. I would have loved to have won an Irish title when I was a kid and obviously I'm not shitting on people who have won an Irish title, but if you win it so early, it probably where you're like I'm the man. I want to do everything to keep myself the man. You don't really want to go in and fucking get humbled and do the hard work and make yourself vulnerable. What you need to be doing to get better and continue to keep progressing you know what I mean? You'll be like fuck if I was the man last year and I want to just stay the man and stay on what I have.
Speaker 1:So there's.
Speaker 2:You'll see you fucking sit in an amateur and have six belts and all these shit shows and then they turn pro and fight a decent pro and they're getting bothered right away, 100%.
Speaker 1:It's just different, like you say, like obviously, especially on the race. It's like people develop differently. Like I remember, davey Joe Joyce won a world bronze and all the fucking in the under the teens. He was six time Irish champion. I don't think he ever lost in Ireland, won a world bronze or world silver, world bronze or something. He broke his hand with one hand. I used to watch him go. That cunt is unreal. And then he was a year older than me and then he turned. We got the seniors and he fought. He was getting beat by fucking idiots and then I went on and won them before he did, but before he was my team captain.
Speaker 1:On the routines we went to the Europeans I was like he's fucking the like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people just develop at different times, gonna lick and he was stopping people sparring all but just a job honk was his back on was broken. He was like, don't mind, I'm gonna respond to Turk. And he was just job me like John and he knew and I was like what you're going for me? I was only 17 or 16 at the end of the teens and he was eating schoolboy boxers like the travelers were almost always like hot, wee, bit harder and a wee bit more developed in their own world, more advanced.
Speaker 2:That's it, I feel like I was very late to develop. Like see, whenever, when I boxed, I boxed in st john bossville when john was my coach fucking unbelievable coach and mick was constantly bringing up like he would be down in dublin and just bringing up like the national team, like footwork drills and we'd be doing them from my first started. So I felt like I had, like always had good feet and good skills, but I was so late to develop so there would have been like people my age, my weight or even a year younger than me yeah, my weight and they were just way stronger than me. Like I was fucking trying to like box near them for a minute and then they were just walking through shots.
Speaker 1:I was just getting tired and just getting thunder and I was like what the fuck can I hold on to more effort, like seriously, like when you throw, like we were talking about earlier, when you go in the relaxed state, you're just throwing at your own weight and your own. You can do it and you keep people off you. But when you're younger and there's someone stronger, more developed, you've got to put more effort in your punches, so you fatigue quicker, even just demons hitting you and all it's just zapping the life out of you.
Speaker 2:So I remember being like man better in this company. He's just hit me all the time or he's just walking through my shots. And it wasn't until I, like was senior or developed, where I was like started noticing the skills that I had, because I was like now that there's actually a bit of sting and people are like not wanting to walk for them now I'm able to use my footwork and I'm able to use the skills that I developed in boxing when I was developed.
Speaker 2:But whenever I was a kid, there would have been some people, like I said, like you're younger or whatever who were just fucking way more developed than me at that time and just way stronger.
Speaker 1:I know that's all it is. I remember I fought John Jordan Abner in the Irish seniors. I was 17 or 18 and he was his world bronze baddest and he was going to. It was 2012, so he was going to London Olympics and Sammy Fennell in the Lairlands and first round. I remember going out like being cagey because he's class obviously, and I was like fucking hang, come back. It was 3-8 and I was like he's not that good, like I can beat him.
Speaker 1:And then the second round boxing like fuck again, bum, come back, was 2-up I was like I can was to you up, and the last journey was, just, as do shaders, well more developed me doesn't know sure for me yeah that's a spicy for our state point. So I was cast. Yeah, yeah, I was exhausted so much in the first year I was like using the lot of energy on that. Sorry I was like trying to keep him off me, and that's it. I was to you up. I was like for excessive energy.
Speaker 2:That's it they give me you'd be doing all the right hangs, the reef thing, setting the right traps and then banging on the perfect shot, and they're just walking through throwing free shots back and they're like me.
Speaker 1:I just spent 100. That's me about pointing the end. He beat me 13, 12 and I was going meeting and then from where I was like like I was playing their own high performance, I was going like he's training full time.
Speaker 2:He's a full time athlete. He's on 50 grand a year, tax free money, and I'm up training the whole time 100%. Whenever I boxed, I was like all these people have been doing it. They've been doing it way longer than me and that's why I'm not as good, or I can homophilise. My last boxing fight, when I was in 4th or 5th year and I was like same height, 6 foot 2, 6 foot 3, came and I was 57 kilo.
Speaker 2:I remember I was walking around at 60 and I was like, well, if I'm walking around at 60, I'll just fade to 57 and see a three kilo dropping as a kid, because it wasn't developed, it was a fucking nightmare it killed me just three kilo, like I had fucking drop out in an hour and a half doing a weight cut. But then it was just massive, just that three kilo coming off me because it was already so skinny so I never I wouldn't develop till late as but then it was like, basically it was like the perfect storm. Whenever I joined, mma is when I like I had a bit of a growth spurt, started putting on a little bit of weight.
Speaker 2:I just started maturing a wee bit more, and then it was just momentum.
Speaker 1:You know what, like I feel like I was definitely a little late developer, like daphne and uh, I'm seeing, I like I'm 32 now you're gonna be 32. See, now, I'm 32, now You're going to be 32.
Speaker 2:I'm not slow down.
Speaker 1:I'm in the prime.
Speaker 2:Even in my lower 20s, when people were like this, I was like see, I'm 27, 28. That's when we'll see what the crack is. See, whenever I'm fully developed. I'm starting to get a wee hair on my chest, and all now you know what I mean. A wee straight.
Speaker 1:Look at how ugly I got there bring back the v-neck t-shirt.
Speaker 2:The shirt's fucking up and buttoned the whole way down with two hairs. You know what I mean, like Homer Simpson's head fucking loving it oh they were saying like, but that's it.
Speaker 2:I knew I was fucking late to the valve as a kid. So it's gonna be the same with fucking like getting your mind strength. You know what I mean. Like obviously I spread it up, knew I was fucking late to develop as a kid, so it's gonna be the same with fucking like getting your mind strength. You know what I mean. Like obviously I spread it up, but in terms of getting that like actual bone density in your mind strength, I do think it'll be in my late 20s for me.
Speaker 1:So so even like, and then you'll, you'll sustain longer and you'll you'll stay in. He's 32 and he's dying and nowhere near done. Like you know what I mean, and I look at people and go like there's people who, like I know, people who's been pro for like 10-12 years now and they're done.
Speaker 2:That's it. I know people in their 20s and I had late 20s and I'm like they're already slowing down. I think you can see it because they've peaked so soon, went too hard too quick.
Speaker 1:Even when you look at wayne, people go me like when he was retiring he was 33 people footballers retired. I think no fun. He looked about 70, he looked about 100 100 you know what I mean. He made his pro debut when he was 17. Yeah, so he literally played from 17. He was 33 and he dipped real quick. You know what I mean. When he left and out of that was it bump, he just dipped.
Speaker 2:It's crazy like the difference in peak sick. You just know. You just never know when it's gonna fucking happen. Really, there's a wee man in my class, mark six, and when we were in school he was always like a good footballer and all. But there was like people about who you knew were lethal at football and you wouldn't really thought he was lethal at that time when we were happy for school. Then we started getting fifth and sixth year and he started just getting lethal. Now he's playing for Republic Ireland. He's across the water, he's flying, but there would have been 20 people he didn't name before him who would be across the water back then, and now half of them aren't even playing football and he's fucking flying. He just took off whenever it mattered. You know what I mean. I know that's exactly it.
Speaker 1:It's normal Because kids can give up for it because there's so many people.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I mean.
Speaker 1:So it's like they're never going to catch up kids like. That's why I think it's so rare that like people go like I was better than him and I had a school. I apparently had a school, I was better than him, or no, no, I don't know you were, but it didn't matter exactly what I mean. It means jack like in my team.
Speaker 1:There was two players played. We played for hawthorne like I left new hill, joined hawthorne so I made some school people won't all play for iraq and all they all. So I joined remnant and then tamas costco joined because he went to school with us and rory danley and we played new mill and new mill had, like all the superstars, framer, james moore, stew they had a smashing squad like we played them like a crazy show in the Memorial Cup. We drew one, each one and Joe Kerr. Obviously they had the best team in Belfast. So they were like we're going to take two. They asked Bobo to join and they asked Byrock to join. I said they're famed and all I said why not? That's Tomas Cosgrove and Rory Daly, our two best players, our two best players. They're not going on for us and he's like they're our two best players and we're like they won't even get a sniff for us see about a year later Rory Donnelly's.
Speaker 1:We're playing for Swansea and Tomas Croswell has played in the Irish League ever since and none of the AM players in that team not one of the AM players in that team played in the Irish League. You know what I mean were all about Chab and Tainery a team and within that year flipped, rory Donoghue was over playing for Swansea, playing against Arsenal. So so important to stick out of the lingo.
Speaker 2:I play for Cliveville whenever I was a kid for a couple of years and there was a fella on our team and he played for United Academy and he got player of the paul schools and I was on this plaque that they wanted you know kind of me and I was like he is the man, like he's going to be a multi-millionaire and this, like I mean he's probably painting their decorator now, he's never don't even play football for any local teams, like doesn't.
Speaker 2:I haven't heard of him for years, like, and this is like under 13, under 14. He is getting these plaques with superstars names on, like, and there's people who weren't even getting on at that time here in iphilan you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, see, that's what happens, just if you love something, you just have to keep it traveling. So there's like, obviously kids, now it's teaching them like, don't like, like obviously not give up, but just fucking. Yeah, you have to. People have to remember at the start right, it's only a sport. Yeah, it's not a fucking job. Yeah, 100% that be a job where you're going to get paid for it. You only do it because you like it.
Speaker 2:If you didn't like it, don't do it, don't be down because you hate it. And if you actually do want to go the whole way at something, you need to be ready to be committed to it. See, when I was a kid, I was fucking 80, hasty, riddled, you know what I mean. One week I wanted to be playing hurling. One week I wanted to do gillick. One week I wanted mean just trying every sport. But then see, when I was like 16, I remember it was when mcgregor was on the come up and uh, I always was like I.
Speaker 2:There was always just something in me that was like I'm gonna make it. You know, like 90 percent of the time I couldn't have told you what in, but I just had something in say me that was like you're like special, like you know what I mean. I don't know what it was. But then I watched john cabana and mcgregor, and john cab cabinet was like it takes 10 years to become an overnight success. I do something for two, for years. I think that's it's run its course, if I haven't made it named two years and I need made foot and go to sleep.
Speaker 2:So when seeing I joined fate Academy. There's people who are smoking me, but they're doing a five years and I think, but trying to do this for 10 years, so we'll see what the crack is. Whenever I'm in five years I don't know what it was like. Everything else I didn't have the patience for, but for MMA I was like great, if I join this and I'm 17, I'm doing this, time 27, and if I'm shit, then I'll stop, but I'm definitely in it. There's been people who have been flying and have came and went and come and go and came and went and then now things are starting to like take shape for me you know what I mean nearly 10 years down the 98, nine years down now I know it's, it's.
Speaker 1:I'm the same as you. I like as a saving, as a, as a enormous like developer. When I was in school I started my teachers going like a box mate 100 whenever I joined, whenever I joined fit economy like, as soon as I joined fed economy I I had a job in murdoch, so I just never went in the school.
Speaker 2:My and my teachers ringing my man daniel like just get in the hand in these two pieces of paper and we'll give him because I don't like ocr at sifir and right, we'll give him his grades if he hands in these two pieces of paper. And I was like I don't need to sure I'm gonna fit, I'm just fitting there and this was just from the start of me being a fit economy. It just takes a few people to have a belief in you to like, have, like seeing you, what you, what you see to. I had some people like I like fucking, like see the Collins, they proper like and like show belief in me when I was younger. No, like Jamie would have took me down the brains, jim Mick would always looked after me and John to would have like she'll believe me. Then it would have been Dannard, uh, and then Pando, pando, pando, pando, everyone's doing that we'd be slaying them in the gym.
Speaker 1:That and I were all doing it. Then them two like she'll believe me.
Speaker 2:And whenever they were doing, I was like everyone's doing that we'd be slaying them in the gym that night. We're all doing it. You know what I mean. But fuck me, then them two like she'll believe me. And whenever they were doing it, I was like fuck me, they must see what I already be feeling. You know what I mean. I remember we were sitting in school one day and the fucking teachers hated me and some of these guys would be from down the road. All the teachers had to be like. But one day someone asked Paddy Cunningham, the left front room, and they were like if you think anyone in this class would be a millionaire, who do you think? And he goes, paddy. And I was like I remember it was like my third year or fourth year and I was like I fucking knew it. I knew I was going to be a millionaire and now he doesn't even know me.
Speaker 2:And he can see this random fella saying he sees it and I already feel it. I definitely know something's gonna take off.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. It's meant to be 100%.
Speaker 2:Then I never done anything for a few years and then I went down and sparred Joe McCogan and Donner was like mate, what the fuck? Like you have skills, like you need to be doing something, and then just that wee bit of belief in you can fucking do you the world a who thinks I'm have skills here, like there's other people who believe in you I always remember mcconnell saying like I obviously watched you when you were kidding watching the islands before I don't like.
Speaker 1:I remember saying he's good like you're moving 57 kilos, oh I made the latest photos. Like you were tall and good boxers. Like he's good like um. It was like patty henderson.
Speaker 2:They're called yours, yeah yeah, yeah, like I remember I had a. I remember when I I fought in the Conway Mill a week before we went down the All Saints and we fought these two fellas, me and my mate Mick and Mick Burnjicon, and we would have had spars, it would have been even. We would have all been around the same level and sparred. And we went down and I fought this fella Dean spans could be a bias article, dean, I think his name Dean something anyway, but could be by him anyway. And Mick got got beat by a sore fella. He was like we were, we were about 12, 14 this tattoos and they are me.
Speaker 2:We're like what the fuck? I remember seeing him before McFarland. I was like no way. And it was like make a terrible time, like like busted up, and I said fuck on. So they were like right user, fading them again a week later. So I was trained like fuck, being like I need to get this one back here. We're fading them on our club show a week later and I went down as calm a mill every month about their user and they were like how the programs upside down and I was like why the fuck he's home. So I went up and it was me fading their month don't match it.
Speaker 2:And fucking, john Conlon pulled me aside and he was like we, we made you fit him for a reason. We believe in you, you can do this, it's no, they just get me sick, though, and I don't think I've ever fought better in this in my life where we was like this valid was just wrong that you from bombs. And John was like we know him in an orthodox when he rushes, step back in the southpaw and check hook. Yeah, I just done, I just spawned this over and over again, falling through the ropes. It's corner, corner squealing, I'm stop running. And I was just waiting, waiting. He was running. I just stepped and boom chuck. He was just falling through the ropes again, and I remember after from the matter how long this was going.
Speaker 1:I still remember this was on BBM and Jamie wrote on it like Hendo is a star or something, and I was like fuck me because they've always said like you, look at me and I watch and I was like fuck me the belief that they that they showed him me at that age fucking see when you show it at that age.
Speaker 1:Like I think Mickey Hawkins was like has like an eye just for knowing, like it was really talking about development. Like Harry fucked me out of the club and all one stage I was barred from Holy Trinity premises. I had robbed the youth club when I was a kid, with me and a couple of my mates, and met one of my mates to tell me right. So I got scooped. The priest fucking barred me off all premises with a senior boxer when I wasn't her. He's a career taker, holy sunday. This time he won't let me in and he always had this. But I wasn't one of those things. This is our day. One of them. Wrong. Like he always had this belief in me.
Speaker 1:It was like he'll come good at the right time he always just said, and I remember him saying to me like, if you want nice to senior, take, like, bring you anywhere in the world you want seriously.
Speaker 2:So that's not a bit of wonderful, it's not a real easy thing all this it's mad that there is like figures like that who have such an eye for development, like see, john Conlon, we've been down in Dublin and there'd be people winning 5, 6, 7 and he's like, see him, he'll not do anything as a senior. And then face first, there'd be people down getting bait and he was like, see, when he's older, he's gonna be mad in there because he was very rarely wrong.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So, like the way he seen that in me, who wasn't? But they've seen that in you because you've developed the skill and it's like you've never seen when someone shows you something and you can do it, but then one or two times it's like, no, like throw a hook this way, and it's like people can't do it, but you just and Corpus Christi because I was too young to go to the local boxing gyms and went up there.
Speaker 2:But whenever I joined John Bosco, I was just imitating Mick and trying to copy everything Mick could do. So it got to a point where I knew almost advanced footwork but my fundamentals were shit. I was skipping fundamentals.
Speaker 2:I was trying to do the fucking elite national team advanced stuff before I was walking forward back left, left, right and actually understanding Setting up a shot, and I was doing all the feints and all the high level feints, but I didn't know why I was doing them. You know what I mean. So then when I started Training with Donnard, he like stripped it all back. He was like right, you have good footwork, but fucking, this is shit.
Speaker 1:And that shit your foundation.
Speaker 2:That's it. Foundations aren't there. And obviously John was just trying to tailor till the room whenever Mick and all was training there and we were just trying to catch up. But I Dannard like whenever I went to Dannard I was like ready to do all this fancy stuff and change stances, fluid, but my foundations were shit. And then Dannard got my foundations on and that's when I felt like it was clicking you 100%, because when I started seeing the downer, he was getting me to do the most simple stuff and I was falling over myself 100% just the simple stuff, and your brain's fried and you're falling over yourself.
Speaker 2:And I was going fuck me, I thought I had good feet, I can change stances, and now I fucking can't walk forward and back in a straight lane without my feet coming in the air really just basic stuff that wee.
Speaker 1:When I lost, like in the majors, I would wait and say I'm watching the rest of the tournament on my own, like, and I watched the kazakhs, the cubans, the fucking these backs and I knew every state and I knew that, I knew what I thought and I like, and that's how you learn so much from watching faiths when you, because then you start to know, like what these is, what these backs do?
Speaker 1:yeah, they jump and they've got great feedback and they don't. And then they've got the kazakhs don't break their distance, don't break our distance.
Speaker 2:Understanding why and what type of style beats the other type of style over time.
Speaker 1:I just started to learn it.
Speaker 2:I feel like with our body type as well, you almost have to learn. You need to know the like, perfect, like techniques on what style, what beats what style and know like take away things from everyone and like really study the sport, where some just have that equalizer to hit you at body shot or their.
Speaker 2:Oh, I said, they're athletic as fuck they're athletic as fuck and they're like well, if I'm more athletic than everyone, I'll do a wee bit of boxing training and I'll be better, whereas me I was, like always, a wee, skinny kid, not a strong, late to develop, like I said, so I would always have the proper study faders and study fates. I feel like I have a fucking phenomenal IQ that gives you better overall IQ.
Speaker 1:100%. I can watch Fates because you've had to do it, that's it that's exactly it.
Speaker 2:I can watch Fates and like pick out things that that some people couldn't see. I'm sure you're the same yourself and then I get like big fucking dopey juice heads and everyone's like look at your man, I'm just going, he's coming or going.
Speaker 1:He's only going to do one thing. Yeah, 100%, never rely on that one thing they have, or like you can change up and do that, that's it, whereas you're like I know 10 stales.
Speaker 2:That stale he has one stale, like, if I can't beat someone who only has one stale, I'm fucking useless, whereas you have to be so well versed in all these or something like that. Oh 100%.
Speaker 1:So you were saying earlier, you'll train the night again, will you?
Speaker 2:Oh, I've trained wrestling the night, and firsties are heavy, heavy night.
Speaker 1:Will you be racked on my end? Just be, because usually I remember like when I was on the ground there was Paddy woke up next day and I had a stiff neck and I'm like fuck your neck gets.
Speaker 2:I took a man, I stopped my neck you see, at the start made your neck be fucking aching, but like your neck gets adjusted, adjusted to it like justice to it 100% like some people will be hanging off your neck, or you're in a scramble and you'll be out of it brand new and you're like fuck me, I was mental. Or whenever you think of what way your neck was being twisted. Or you just like what way you should move, to like take a bit of resistance off your neck.
Speaker 1:That's it. That's it. That's it whenever you first go.
Speaker 2:You're like pushing the rings and like, and then the longer you do it you're like the way to be good at this is actually to just go with it and find your way out of it rather than trying to fuck and like push against it. But wrestling is definitely the hardest one on the body. That's where most people will get injured is in the wrestling sessions. You know what I mean. But tomorrow I only have like pods in the morning and then a striking class and it's like mostly drilling, and that's at 11 over at half 12. So I have all tomorrow night off.
Speaker 2:I I have tomorrow weekends running off, now just a saturday before sparring. So saturday's my day off, uh. And then we spar on sundays, because our sunday, monday and tuesday is heavy as fuck. Like we spar on Sunday we do a lot of rounds like a lot of fives with small gloves, no headgear. It's heavy duty. And then on Monday we have Jiu Jitsu at night time. There'll be a load of heavy rounds. And then Tuesday we have a smelly run in the mornings and then an MMA class.
Speaker 1:So Sunday, monday and Tuesday is so like periodization. Obviously it's a big thing like periodization in a full camp obviously if you're training on the 26th of April.
Speaker 2:Your hardest work will be like over the next couple of weeks and then you can maybe start making it a wee bit shorter and more explosive faster. I feel like the gym has that down the tee. You know, like with Pat and Sean. We've just seen so much over the years, the results prove it do you know what I mean and the attention that they're giving each fitter equally.
Speaker 1:I think it's class, it's crazy. Obviously you've loads of different two ends of the scale. You've got like, let's say, for example, you've Paul yourself, even when you had Joe McCogan has he made a comeback no, no, he's messing about, he just drops in and spars.
Speaker 2:He loves it. He called up to spar me.
Speaker 1:I was sparring with him and we were all sparring and he came in and I was like fuck me, he loves it, don't he?
Speaker 2:100% he loves it, he used to be like a blanket. He'd just fucking suffocate you but ah but mate. That's it like.
Speaker 2:See, there's very few places in the world where you can get the coaches of world champions at a beginner level yeah, you know what I mean like, like, I know in a couple of years people are going to be like, fuck me, could you come here on a monday and get trained by pat for a couple hours?
Speaker 2:Because now, like, if you, if you, if you want to join the gym this week, you can go up on a monday and get an hour and a half with pat. That's not always going to be like I like, like, see the level of his coaching. He could walk into any gym in the world and he could teach everyone in that room something like his. His level is honestly frightening. Like every time I go around other gyms or go around other countries, it only ever reassures me and gives me more confidence in the coaching I have at home. That's shando with the striking and pat with the grappling. Like, sometimes you're away on big shows and you're in the changing rooms and me and shando are looking at each other and people are going up, going, fuck me like I was on this show and look at the full estate of stuff they're doing.
Speaker 2:Same with Pat, like they'll just see so much easy mistakes and you can go up to our gym and train with both of them and it's like it's insane. It's not going to always be like that, because the gym's getting flooded, now it's getting overflown and, no doubt, obviously, the experience where they came from.
Speaker 2:You'll be still be teaching the same systems. You know what I mean. Like shando has a couple of coaches like aiden and adam who help us out so much and he they're like teaching shando systems. So it's very similar to the stuff that shando will teach and I'm sure pat will do that soon. But I just think it's mad. Now that you can go up on your first day, you're going to be with pat for a couple of hours because he is a fucking world class insane.
Speaker 1:Um, I will. We'll wrap it up here, but uh you're well. Anyone tickets well?
Speaker 2:yes, tickets. There's a link in my instagram bio. My instagram is just potty mccoy and there's a link in the bio for uh tickets yeah, so 26th of april you're looking.
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