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The Public Nuisance Podcast
Host Sean McComb interviews various guests
The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #019 “One of Them Faces” with Emmett Watters
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome accredited counsellor, Emmett Watters to the podcast
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The Public Newsness, sean McCann, welcome to this episode of the Public Newsness Podcast, brought to you from Killin Studios, right here, where you can get all your content done, from photo shoots to podcasts just like this one, set up tailored for you. With us, today we have Emmett Waters Therapy.
Speaker 2:Thank you, very much thanks for coming on man brilliant, brilliant, and it's an absolute pleasure to be here. Do you know? My son started this with you. Do you know what I mean, james?
Speaker 1:and he's just talking about Sean McComb counselling yeah because I was saying, like you from the first episode. You've always been reaching out to me on social media and on like, on TikTok and stuff, and you've always been a big supporter of what we do and always going mate, love the podcast, love the podcast. And then here you are. Now you're a guest with us and I just wanted to get you on to experience it and obviously talk about the great work that you do. So thanks for coming on, as I know you have a busy schedule and a bit of crack and it doesn't have to be all professional, professional, professional. We're gonna, we're gonna ease in there. Yet you know what I mean and that's what we're looking for.
Speaker 2:I'd say that's the only time my son said walking out to the door dad, be yourself with him. He's a legend he's a legend.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean I'll have to get my photo took with you as well. Oh, I will do that. He wants that.
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Speaker 1:Some of the views are madness on social media the wee short videos that ran at it. We get the wee shorts and the soundingwood to go far and wide and people. I'm at the stage now where someone I was at last week. I was going to the Cliftonville match on Sunday there and the cup final in Windsor Park and there was a big, massive queue to go through the Turner Stadium. It was electric, everything was electronic through the QR codes on the phones. And I says now lads me, look at them. They're just scooting up and saying they had the paper printouts, like old school, fucking 1990s. I says I'm going to try and bra snag it, see if he'll add us in. So I go over there and he's like mate, I can't, you need paper, mate, mate fuck, she does a favour.
Speaker 1:I know your face probably, probably Elbax or something. I was. Podcast go ahead. I mean, I've been boxing my whole life doing a podcast. For about three months there I am. Everyone knows me through the podcast, so the views go far and wide. Like some of the wee, as I said, the wee shorts that ran at it, they go. They go far and wide and it's good. It's good to be recognized for a bit of crack.
Speaker 2:No, I mean and I think that's what it is. You know, even the day coming up. As you know, like I'm a therapist, I've been a therapist for a lifetime, half my life I've been doing therapy. And even before that, um, which is another big part of my life, um, I even noticed where people used to come to me when they're off their head do you know what I mean? And they were struggling, maybe in the middle of a rave or something. They got there, I was looking that up with me and I had to switch mine off and go and sit down and get him a track of juice, whatever. Talk to them whatever random.
Speaker 1:Some people need that, but just need that wee bit of comfort. There's just someone who can go right, he's not a judgmental person, he's just but I, so I always say it's a bit of tea.
Speaker 2:How do they know? I don't even know them, shouldn't? I mean neither, just randomers coming out of nowhere and their heads open, like us here, and they're looking at you and their eyes are like dangerous, like you know, and you're just going. Man, I'm really struggling. I go right, come on out the hall, circus. Circus was probably one of the biggest arenas for me. You know what I mean. From day one I was in circuit circus, but you know that's something that I found it on the leaf that people say to me. You know what's their best therapy. You know what I mean and say like for me it's just connection with people. Yeah, like I work with people from nine, ten years of age, kids right up the 80 year old, right through the whole thing it.
Speaker 1:It is crazy, it's connection. It's like having that connection, trust, trust.
Speaker 2:And that's what's lost. You know what I mean? There's a lot of people that are suffering from the fact of trust. They can't trust anybody. Can't trust anybody Do you know what I mean. And when they come in, come into my room office, I'm very blessed. I work alongside Alternatives in Belfast and they have offices all over Northern Ireland and we partnered up about three years ago, three and a half years ago, and they literally whatever you need, whatever you need. My family originates from the falls Oakmont Street.
Speaker 1:Rough must have been rough going up for Ireland.
Speaker 2:Well, I was very lucky, Sean, because my mother came away and went nah, this is not happening, I'm not bringing my boys up. I was born in 1968, brought the troubles with me do you know what I mean? And she came away and said to herself I don't want my boys getting brought up. And it wasn't because of her, it was because of what he could have got into.
Speaker 1:I couldn't have had any root like. It was just like very, very like very little chance of knocking down our root, which wasn't against the law. That's not that way. Even if it's for a right cause or for the wrong cause, it's against the law.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and you know. Then we moved to the markets cracking one I always tell this story about, about it's like generational trauma. I work with trauma all the time. In fact that's my basis, my focus and work on addictions, and we're all addicted to something. You know what I mean and if that's what it is, then we've all kind of some type of pain. You know, and literally for me it's like we're all.
Speaker 2:We're all wounded, children in that, old bodies yeah and that's what I work right work with a child within the person. I'm trying to bring Literally for me. It's like we're all wounded children in that old body. Yeah, and that's what I work. I work with a child within the person. I'm trying to bring that person and that child back together again, bring that wholeness in a person.
Speaker 2:But I remember my mother and people look at trauma like something seriously happens or massive events, and trauma is not there's an event, but it's what happens in the end city. Yeah, you know, uh, like I was what a couple of months old, uh, my mother was running this wee shop and every every morning the man used to come in, going to the yard or the seats or whatever. Yeah, used to get a bop chasing home or whatever. She used to make him up. So, uh, this morning she came down and I was in the big silver cross prom and I knew all the details because I heard this story so many times.
Speaker 2:And the next thing was uh, she, what I call um, there was a wee woman come in or eight rows, and she's glory mary, what's the crack? And blah, blah, blah. The next thing she got was getting her home and cheese. There was no cheese. So the next thing she says mary, keep an eye on that shop. They run round here and get some cheese. So I was all right. She put me into the prom and away. I went, took us around and then, des, you could leave the chair outside. There was no issues.
Speaker 1:No more did you. No more Keep him out of the fucker. No more did you. It's a yappy fucker do you know what I mean? I'm a real cat there.
Speaker 2:So she just parked the pram and went and got the cheese from the shop I think it was Wellworth's back there Basically had two doors. She went out the back door and left me out the front. She just abandoned me, you know. Then she went back to the shop and Mary goes there. Rose, where's the cheese I've left them. I know back in a minute. But that story, what would I know about that you?
Speaker 2:wouldn't even remember that You're right, but my mother used to God bless her passed away in 2020. She used to tell that story. Remember I left our amitland and said la la la, and little did she know, or I knew that actually. Then I started having issues around abandonment, which then started playing a massive part of my life, which we'll maybe get talking about. But growing up back then, there was you were the head of the troubles. Head of the troubles even in the towns. I remember going into town I was very, very young with her and I remember a into the town. I was very, very young with her and I remember a soldier pushing his end of the doorway and boom, the bomb went off. And I remember all that you know concrete and dust and everything everywhere. As a child, I was brushed off and going I want someone to get a drop of tea.
Speaker 1:I know that's the way it is and that's the way it is and that's the way it was, and that's like there's a wee bit of like hardship with people from from the north, where it's like get on with it. It's not the right way to address things. People don't know any better, they're not educated enough to know like whoa or if that happened, like obviously, like fucking, let's talk, for example. This might be stereotypical, maybe, but America shooting up schools, all them.
Speaker 1:Kids are probably in the best of therapy from that day onwards for probably the rest of their lives, just to deal with it and learn how to deal with it, because it's always going to trigger some way and they're probably going to have a serious fear of going into any environment like a school. Do you know what I mean? So we're here.
Speaker 2:It's like fucks it, it weighs up come on and that's basically where the wave of, if you look at it, trauma comes from. Yeah, you know, and well, a lot of times it'll always go back to the troubles, because of the troubles, because of the troubles. But what about the kids that weren't in the troubles?
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean. But yet we're suffering from the troubles and that's where we were looking at this conversation just the way my mother was telling family or friends where I started to pick up inside. I started having these issues around abandonment and which played a massive, massive part. I was a pleaser in life. So coming up through them years, you did you just get on with it. That's normal. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:It probably didn't affect you back then because everyone you were around were affected by it. You were all those playing, say, laughing about the street, playing football, throwing stones, you and a couple of your roommates running around having a laugh. And then later on in life it might start affecting you when you have to go into certain, when you have to be independent yeah, and you're not with all your roommates you have to walk into the workplace and you say going into the schools.
Speaker 2:I had real problems in school. I'm dyslexic, dyspraxic, can't reiterate properly, and that's alright. But I used to have mad behaviours, nuts like one of the teachers cut her finger off and the Guild team cussed at me. I can't say a miss, I need to go to the toilet, I need to go to the toilet. She was cutting back in the day. You cut the slices of beer, beer, you know for the kids to write on. The next thing, blow that right away. And the next thing I went Miss, don't even go to toilet anymore, fucking mental. Remember? She hung me up on a peg outside when we used to hang her bag. She hung me up on it because of the madness and I used to run away from school constantly. The madness and I used to run away from school constantly. Yeah, run away from school. Crazy. And even in the class, the behaviours don't know if she ever forgive you for it.
Speaker 1:What do you know if she ever forgive you for it? Nah, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I won't forgive you either, fuck I missed a finger, give me yours. We'll call it quits but no, it was nuts. And you know, but no, it was nuts. You know, the school, the school, and I just couldn't. I couldn't handle school Because every time I was in school maybe in school years ago they used to ask you to read a page out. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:When you were doing a book. I used to have all sorts of behaviour just to get bucked out of the class Because I didn't want to get embarrassed.
Speaker 1:That's embarrassment. I was going to say People didn't know. Even back then probably people didn't even know what dyslexia was. You know what I mean? They didn't know.
Speaker 2:I had to go to special needs classes and all this type of stuff. I started all right in there and just madness with it all. And right back then you didn't know, it was only when I went to uni they basically said to me look, you're dyslexic.
Speaker 1:But even to get that far with dyslexia, to get to uni, you hate it. It's fucking no, but to get that far, you hate it, you hate it, but you still got that far you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It's just people.
Speaker 1:Obviously it's, or like because anyone else were you ever were you diagnosed?
Speaker 2:Diagnosed probably when you were young, like about 20 years ago. There you go, so you were the only way thinking you were stupid.
Speaker 1:Aye, that's the way people would get on that. You know what I mean. Stick, stick to your short plan chap man, it did.
Speaker 2:You know. And I can never forget even that day in uni where a student came out and went they want to speak to you in there. I said what about? He got there and says something wrong with your writing. You can't spell. And I went how do you?
Speaker 2:know, do you know what I mean? And then the teachers. And then they said look, we're going to send you to psychology and they're going to do your test. I remember bawling, crying my legs out. I couldn't see shapes and things, it was nuts. But as a child I mean, as I say, my father, he, he went off the scene when I was only about nine and, uh, we're very, very young, married ladies and an absolute legend. Yeah, she really, really was. She had three boys and then we moved um the estate in lisbon called hill hall, which very loyal estate. But then Moir basically went and spoke to whoever had the speaking room and said this is what it is and they went don't you worry about nothing.
Speaker 2:You're not going to give them anything. To worry about any hassle, let us know.
Speaker 1:I suppose if you go in there, everything should be neutral. You're not causing any trouble. You're not here to fucking give us any shit. She was a woman on her own too.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:The kind of way he looked at that and said listen, don't worry about it, rose, you're not going to get any grief. Do you know what I mean? But I then stepfather, came along, jimmy, he got blasphemyemed. He's dead too. He died in 22 as well. They'll start now and ended their trip, as a man would say. But he came along and I kind of lost the place in the family. Then. Do you know what I mean? Because I would have looked after everything. I started working with the oldest boy no, I'm the middle one.
Speaker 2:I have two big. I have a big bra and a wee bra. When I was that age, my mother and I I played football. Lisbon youth then ended up going to Canada to play for Northern Ireland, represent Northern Ireland, get into fights over there, and then that was a nightmare. They just put me on the piss to run into people. I couldn't play football to save myself. You know what I mean. But I remember my old lady. She had there was no big, massive benefit system. Yeah, there was definitely that. So she had to work as well.
Speaker 2:So when we were kids we were taught how to cook, wash, clean iron you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:We had to help her. Obviously your mother was away working plus. Obviously, like you say, it's not enough. You can't wear kids on your own and work on our money. You have to, especially you know what I mean if you're on your own but it stood by us.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean as well? Stood by us as well, and I think that's just missing here in this generation Muslim. You know what I mean kids don't know how to do yawning I know that's it.
Speaker 1:They don't, they, definitely don't, they don't want to do yawning.
Speaker 2:No, they don't want to even do it.
Speaker 1:They're like they look down their nose at like even trans yawning yeah, and it's like my dad. I know he only fucks me, he only fucks me four, but I make him do everything and make him get them shoes on himself, get me a beer, two drinks and all that and he's black with two tins of heart on him. But I fucking I go put your shoes on every 10 minutes and his feet are like 10 to 2. It's fucking, they're on the wrong feet.
Speaker 1:He must be dyslexic as well he's a genius, he's a wee genius, but I fucking, but I like just to try and give him that wee bit of independency. But he's very independent if I like my wife over for dinner.
Speaker 1:My wife go and get the bill and he goes straight up the window and goes can I have a bill? Then I give him the money, the car, I go and pay the bill and he goes and does it. She wants to teach him. But he's right, like he's very good that way. No, he's mustard in other ways, but he's very good now in the pen way that's what's going on and he wants to do it.
Speaker 1:Now he wants to do it so like, if there's something happening, I go out the way, I'll go. No daddy, I ain't doing it, I ain't doing it, I go right. Right, then you can do it, settle ahead. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Do you want to go and pay for it yourself too? I got it. I need money on you. I have to go and get the head back still up here, okay well.
Speaker 2:I'm boring. I had a helper so I was like I actually had to do things. Do you know what I mean? We used to have boarders in Northern Ireland and the South and what I called me and her used to jump network across the border at night time and she used to get paid extra money for this and whatever. Do you know what I mean? And customs used to be always there. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and she used to pull up and say to him how yous doing. I said how you doing and blah, blah, blah, and the boys used to go where are you going? Oh, we're heading down to Finland. So we're a kind of estate bombed. I mean there's not room.
Speaker 1:I'm stuck against the window. There's that many jumpers on it.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? And they're just looking in at us and I'm looking at them and whatever, and they're like go ahead, go ahead. And then we used to go down and say when I was heading out to Canada, it was 250 quid, might as well be two and a half. Oh yeah, it was big big, big money Back in eh, and I remember saying to the coaches no, I don't want to go, no because I knew the man, Because you need him otherwise.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't have that money. And I remember the coaches said no, we'll call out the house and see you and get to speak to your mom, and all this. I was going jeez. And then I went back to my football and she went that's alright, son, that's alright, and I could see it there, if I guess you know what I mean. And I said I don't want to go, I don't want to go or whatever. But they come out and she went no, you'll be going. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:I'll just be able to pay it off you make it a four transom full day and a big, big I think it was five Nits every week.
Speaker 2:We were going down, but me and her used to sit up at night.
Speaker 1:You were at Independence. You taught you how to drive. When you were eight, you made there's an old loba. Old loba, old loba, with a trailer on the back.
Speaker 2:It was mustard. But you know, she taught me a lot about hustling. She taught me a lot about working and since I was my first job, second job, third job, whatever it was, it was three pairs of ladies knickers for a pound in the market. That was my own hustle. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:and I used to make yeah, because I was just a wee cub, you know what I mean. I used to say I because I was just a wee cub, you know what I mean. I'd give us three pounds to have all of them and everyone going no returns.
Speaker 1:Now, Nobody's bringing them back.
Speaker 2:It was stinging. You just used to buy them. But I from that age that's, all I'd done was work. But then the other side of that, I never got out much, my mates and things like that. There was a bit of resentment with that too. And I say, man, I wanna go out and start with my mates and they go, son, go down with Jimmy to the market and do a bit of helping. There's nothing to help. Do you know what I mean? Nice to be, aye, all right.
Speaker 1:So the pleasers started coming out, yeah, just to keep everyone happy.
Speaker 2:Keep everyone happy and I've done that all through my life. You know One of the stories I tell. I do talks. Do you know what I mean? The next one's in Ballina, faye Barn Club. Three years now I've been there. The last time I'd done it was over 100 people, just over 100 people. Men, just men. This year's a big thing for me, and men.
Speaker 1:Men would be. Men would suffer emotional silences. They don't like men.
Speaker 2:Just prayers, two prayers. They even open Men would suffer emotional silences. I don't think men just prior to prior to even opening their mouth. So you know what and as people like yourself, the comedians that you know well as well, do you know what I mean. We need people like you to get this word out. There's the likes of you walking into a boxing ring. Do you know what I mean? But how many boxers suffer from this depression, anxiety? I know.
Speaker 1:I deal with stuff very well you do.
Speaker 1:I'm very like water off a duck's back to me. Everything is, and I don't really my wife she would be like she sees a change in mood when I don't have a fight and something falls through. I just go from early or, but I can control it, but it's still a bad feeling. Yeah, I wouldn't like to see, because it's still a bad feeling for me. Who can control it? Yeah, and I don't let it get to me. Yeah, because I have a good attitude of knowing there's like every fucking like. I have a roof over my head, close my back. I've got. I'm richer than fucking most people in this world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've lost 97% of my life.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I've got my own house, I've got a child, and it's not the be all, end all. Don't worry about it, I know something else will come. I have a good, positive mindset and it's just you think Setbacks, other setbacks.
Speaker 1:People see, when I was a kid there were times I lost decisions and I should have won. Why Life changing decisions? Sometimes I go to the Olympics the last one, the last one. People go how the fuck do you do it Like? And it's life changing. That's what I've worked my whole life for. For that opportunity sitting here milling her. You know what I mean, but you are. I am in other areas you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1:I've got a good family, I've got a good wife, I've got a son, I've got a house, I've got two cars she's a car, I have a car and life's good. So there's a lot more, but it's still. It's still a feeling that, like you, still hit rock bottom. There's a big lower like and I can control it. So I know the feeling of being low and I hate, I despise it. I would hate to see people who can't control it because they would be even lower than me and that's why I go fuck me. Imagine being him or imagine being like Adam. Like that's a bad feeling, because the way I feel now is like you're angry at the world. I just feel like you, just nah, what's the point? Like? What's the point?
Speaker 2:I'm doing all this here, but for what?
Speaker 1:for what? And then I'm like what other direction am I going to go in life if you've got a gym? But I want to do something else. I want to do something more meaningful. I want to do stand up. You know what I mean. Stand up, fuck you. You want Can't understand a word I'm saying. Sean, can you get subtitles? In I don't see me See if the new AI will try and get subtitles in person.
Speaker 2:That's one of the things I'm going to throw at you today. I said I was going to do it. Can't understand it somewhere.
Speaker 1:Tell me, only be you in the crowd.
Speaker 2:No, that's all right. That's all right. How many comedians have sat with you and went? Alright, how many comedians have sat with you and went? Nobody sat with him and just sat there. I think it's a forte for you. I really do. My son, james, just thinks you're hilarious. As soon as they put you on, you don't even say nothing. He's in ruptures. I'm not going Five minutes.
Speaker 1:Stand up On a, he said. He said Will you come on Do Five minutes? You know he asked me about the podcast First. He said oh, it's going well, bit of cracking. I was like, oh, it's burning, it's going well. I've seen a couple of clips and I was like Will you do five minutes? I was like Five minutes. What I was like Stand up Some parties day. I went get the fuck out of here. It was five minutes. Look at Tim McIrvin all over the place. That's how he started. But how do you get the mindset?
Speaker 1:of going into a boxing ring because if I've done that my whole life, from when I was eight, from my first fight when I was eight, do you know what I mean? But this year it's me, that's true. Well, I've stepped in the whole new environment of like because I'm raw, yeah I.
Speaker 1:If people think I'm funny, it's just me being me it's not me writing stuff exactly, or trying to write stuff down, yep, so I would need to go in there and go like a topic what I need to talk about. Has other comedians spoken about this? There's a lot of research involved, I think, because imagine being up there and just winging something like, oh, do you see what I mean? I'm like, yeah, the commerce citizen, the work back in the 80s.
Speaker 2:See you later. No, but I think you should do it on that. But no, as I say the men, I mean there was one of the statistics I read there not so long ago 77% of our suicides, 62% because of relationships. Serious, that's insane, isn't it? It is insane, but also the aspect of this is what is our, what are our men doing? Do you know what I mean? Well, you're talking about suffering incidents.
Speaker 1:I don't know they need to speak. They need to speak up, but they're obviously every year. I don't feel like. I don't feel like social media. Obviously, social media is brilliant for getting the message out and saying speak up, speak up. It's very easy to tell people, speak up through a computer screen and they see me picture you need to get them and physically bring them.
Speaker 1:Like my brother, he won't mind me telling you. He was an alcoholic, full-scale alcoholic, full-blown. Drank every day of the week, worked in a building every day of the week, sniffing gear flat out in the house. His head was going. He was sending me messages. He was at fucking Nazis every night fratting me. He was fighting my mum, fighting my dad. Everyone was trying to help him. It just went on for years. His ex-girl he wasn't sane as two kids. He was like Liam what he wasn't he was like. He just thought everyone was nuts and he was fucking sane, he was sweet he said I got more to walk every fucking day than I'm walking in my shoes.
Speaker 1:You don't know what I've been through me, liam, I'm a three fucker. I mean, we all live in the same household. We've all done the same shit growing up. No one's any worse off than anyone. You've had the same life as us. You've chosen down this path all the same. It's just back and forth for months and at one stage he was that fucking mar, I wasn't going to invite him to my wedding. I said, man, I can't trust him to go to my wedding. He'll start murder. He'll start murder. I'll never speak to you again. I'll never speak to you as long as I live like and we have a close relationship. So I went home again. He went back on the spot again gargling like fuck and then my man dad says right, he was basically homeless. He had nowhere to go because his ex-birthday, he had no house. He was fucking squat, and was he?
Speaker 2:using the gear and was he using the drink before that happened? Or was there a bad head? No, he was always drinking, always drinking Fuck.
Speaker 1:Back there too was he, no, no, when he was younger, when he was living with his bird, he would come home from work and get a carrot and all Three or four nights a week, five nights a week, drinking in the house. You know what I mean. So he was always a boozer, but obviously the drugs weren't really a big thing. Then he, he was squatting in a fucking house over North Belfast. Our Stephen, my cousin, had this flat through like he had points and all and he went to McGarry, who knew that type of thing.
Speaker 1:He was in McGarry. So when he went to McGarry our Liam went over to his flat and just squatted in his flat. Then Stephen was getting letters to McGarry saying lads being boarded up. So Liam had to leave after six months, right, and he didn't know where to go, so he went back to my dad's house. My dad says no drinking, under no circumstances so he was like ah it's me time right now.
Speaker 1:So he didn't drink for like six or seven weeks, which was a big fucking thing for him. He was out jogging, loving it now. And then he got a wee bungalow round the corner in for reals again. And then he fucking just sent me a big message again and I was like fuck man, his head's a weber. And then I just one day I says I ain't going to the AA here, I ain't going to pick you up. But then he come to the AA and he's like no way, he was jealous, he was shitting himself he's. He said I love doing all that I can.
Speaker 1:I brought him over to Lisburn Road, me and him at the AA meeting.
Speaker 2:He was like fuck thank you for doing that for me.
Speaker 1:I said I love that, I love that Blas on me and me, we'll go again, go again. He's like, oh, lee Smirter's going to go, if I was working with him, he's going to go. Then he went with him and he has his kids back, has his whole bungalow back now, his head and toe, fucking. A whole different life, whole new person. I told him he does a year I'll bring him on the podcast. He's the funniest. You think I'm funny? He is ten times funny.
Speaker 2:The most wittiest person you'll ever come across you ever met and he's funny as fuck can him do some parties today, I can do it.
Speaker 1:I fucks you have, fuck's sake half a kick on the car. It'll be old enemies of his he'll be on the mat but five months clean and that was just me going. That was me physically tell him you need help because we were all taxed and he wasn't going to help me. I had to go with him. I'll go with him. I'll go once a week with him After the first week he was weighing his own. He was loving it. He still goes Five months clean and he loves it, holy person.
Speaker 2:It's just that aspect of you. We're going and I'm taking him away.
Speaker 1:You want to break it down. It's love. You just have to be physical and do it to some people.
Speaker 2:I'm just not allowed to. I'm not allowed to, but I just that's what I'm saying by it.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm trying to go back to like social media, send a message out and tell people just say something. Just say something Very hard. It's like you can't just tell people to say something. You either need it and taste it out of them, but you don't know where they're suffering them odds on TV.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. When you see him, he's out and he's partying and the next thing he closes the door and the mask comes off you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2:He's in depth of depression, but, man, you know, it really isn't. I think there's a thing it's not to blame Every single person is carrying their own weight. Yep, 100%. Do you know what I mean? And we need to look at what am I doing, not what are they doing. What am I doing in these relationships? You know, men just cannot, cannot handle rejection. Yeah, do you know what I mean? It's a big ego thing. Come out of your ego.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean's a big ego thing. Come out of your ego. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:and it's like, even though you're talking about your brother, the wee place all sorted out, he's got his kids back, he's got himself back. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:and kids get that chance he doesn't really bother anyone, no more. Goes to work, does his work, has a laugh and work and is hung as a kid. He's done a walk, he's going to start running, he says. I just keep myself to myself.
Speaker 2:He's working on his own mental health. He's working on there's a massive thing too. I never forget. I work with the monks. The monk said to me one day he says nobody's come to save you. I went what do you mean? He says nobody's come to save you. You have to do this, you have to do this, you have to do yourself, you have to reach out, you have to get support. Like I suffered oh, depression, anxiety, suicide, ideations, the darkest, darkest times of my life. Do you know what I mean? Really, really down there and deep, and I had to go there to get back up again.
Speaker 1:Like you say, physically save yourself.
Speaker 2:Totally. And then people, as you were just talking about your brother, I mean people, probation officer sat me down one day and went Reid, listen, do you want to do some voluntary work? And I says, well, what do you mean? He says help kids. And I was going no, nah, I'm not in the right headspace for it. And she went listen, you are, you have to do it, you have to do it, you know. And I says right, I go, I'll go to one of the classes and I remember going to this wee training thing and it was two hours and, mate, people were all sitting around learning about drugs and this, that and drinking, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:And I'm sitting looking at them going. You just haven't got a biggie. He's like do you know what I mean? Having a notion? And I started going to classes and just a bit like your brother, just going to these classes. And then I remember the the lecturer says to me would you come to level two? And I went listen, new speaker. And she says what I can't read? I got there. Any my shit. Members looking at me going. I don't care. And I went well, just don't worry about that. Done all them, and that's, that's where. Kind of way that my career started.
Speaker 2:But really where it did begin was when I had to go to therapy and it was the NHS and a little girl said out loud, went to the NHS. I was going down to do my session, she wasn't turning up and then that was me going out and I was just bucking all my maids in me. Do you know what I mean? And it was nuts. I remember one day saying to her I said you know what? I was nuts. I remember one day saying to her I said you know what I fucking do better than you? I know You're not even here. I turn up and you're not even here, you know. And I remember that wee person and I was just saying to me why don't you, why don't you? And I was going, I don't know. But again I was falling back into I can't read, I can. I kept saying we'll get you help, we'll get you support. You know, from when my stepdad came around I was probably in around 14, I lost some space in the family. I didn't know where my packing order was, do you know what I mean? And so I always had to go to work with him and then started using drugs and getting into a new family. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and from 11, I would have hustled to make money. Yeah, do you know what I mean? I was away through my life running rails and just madness. I mean clean madness.
Speaker 2:Then I worked all over the place in Italy, ended up first time. I was over in London working for Jean-Michel George and he was the first man really put his music and strobe lighting on the buildings in the darklands. Man, I made a fortune. People, no tickets. I just come down this way line here, I sort you out, sort you out I and then come out of that and it was a lot of speed acid, a psychedelic and absolutely psychedelics all the time. I was mad for them. You know what I mean. Trips were just nuts went blind on them in the ring. So what's that?
Speaker 1:I swear blind on them. This is actually 14 months how's it been?
Speaker 2:what's? How's it been got now? How are you getting home? Somebody take me to the hospital. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And but I ended up Italy, switzerland, africa, america, canada, working everywhere. New Zealand, new Zealand Thought, get away to New Zealand. Well, I had to go to New Zealand to get a break and so got into New Zealand Right away. Only got there Next thing, walked out of the airport, big joint and off it went as well. It was nuts. I worked on a fishing boat over there. I don't even know how to fish, but he actually picked me out of you know all the Maori guys and they were all sitting with big hooks in their arms and fishing has been built into them since they were kids. And I went and he goes what do you know about fishing? I said no, what do you know about boats? That's one out there. And he boats, that's one out there. And he says you'll do me. Um, I had great crack. But again there were smoking, speed and things like that. You got rolled up into that as well and it was I. It was crazy times and I remember I was coming back and forward.
Speaker 2:I could never settle yeah never settle in the country you know, and I actually believe that was my first degree in life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everything I learnt out there. Experience, life experience, life experience it's huge. I believe travelling, seeing different cultures, seeing different shit, is a big. It's like someone asked me about somewhere I've got a fair idea. Or being close to the same culture like Eastern Europe, just with boxing. Being in Kazakhstan, I used to back in Azerbaijan, fucking Russia, croatia, ukraine. I've been all around the world.
Speaker 2:All around the world.
Speaker 1:America, everywhere and staying like a month at a time and stuff, just learning. Obviously I wasn't away for much more than a month on the rails or out in fisherman boats, but it was a picked up experience. I have experience and it's a good topic you can relate to with people when they're talking about stuff and you talk about.
Speaker 2:oh, I was there and it's always a good way of getting to know people, connecting with people Back into that whole connection, even trying to get home from New York on a plane. It was a topic I wanted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm taking it home. That's me, alright. Fuck you Back to Australia. Got arrested. Went to New York, got arrested. What's? That about you? Just take me to work One of the phases. You fucks.
Speaker 2:But aye, so that I'm going to get into All that voluntary stuff, especially working with the kids. I used to get phone calls All the time. I mean there's only chance I could take my son out For a dollar. So I mean he's all over the place and he's getting into this and he's getting into that, and they could relate to me Because I knew that, they knew that, I knew and that was the way life was. And, as I say, they pushed me forward and sent me to uni and got that and got my degree and I failed it. I failed the first time and I remember going to my supervisor. She's a great woman, she's been with, she was with me for years, like I have to have clinical supervision with my work, and I remember her like being in there and going. That's me, don't I'm slowing my head up, I'm over, I'm over, I was even going to fail my first training test.
Speaker 1:I'm fucking that time. I'm fucking getting a other. I'm sure I ain't went far.
Speaker 2:Totally shit, I'm just.
Speaker 1:I'm tested the most because I can deal with it the most.
Speaker 2:That's what I believe I can deal with shit but no, it is Sean too, when you talk about it and listen to your podcast. You've got that security yeah and that's. That's a massive, massive thing. I love listening to the way you speak about the wains. I love even going to the chinese and with them, and you know, when you have a great connection with your kids and your missus. She's a saint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, never seen her before, but you must be a scientist but you must have a great way of communicating as well, and she knows when to talk and when that time when to leave you and when to connect me and that's it's massive, it really is communication. And when to leave you and when to connect me and that's it's massive, it really is Communication. And couples and partnerships it's not happening anymore.
Speaker 1:I know Like I'm wrong. I'd say I'm wrong every time. I just tell them. I throw hands up, aye, like I go into silence and be like it's my fault, so what? Like I go into settings and be like it's my fault, so what, leave it alone. I'll have an attitude, but I'll be the first to apologize. I'm sorry, but fuck me. What am I going to do? I'm only five. I'm fucking third floor. This is what you're mine. This is what you're mine to. You know what I mean, and I think but there's even a richness in that.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? Where today it's too quick to go, I'm done, I'm away. Do you know a lot of people that come to work with me? Do you know and I'm not talking about toxic relationships, narcissistic relationships, it's a whole different kind of thing. But you know, people are constantly changing. As I always say, I don't think it doesn't change your breath, and when it does, nothing else matters. Yeah, exactly, do you know what I mean? And that's just the way it is, and I believe people should be willing to work harder at these relationships and sit with them. Again. If there's toxicity and all that, nah, I get that. Do you know what I mean? Anybody that's in a relationship, yep, that's the first thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Once that goes, it's over, it's over, totally over. If it ever happens once, that's it done, because it's going to happen again and again and it's going to end up going on both ways. Even if a girl hits a fella 100% and then a fella is going to like might take it and might go get angry and maybe not lift his hand. It's going to be a matter of time before he does lift his hand if he kept doing it.
Speaker 2:I remember my mother brought us up and she basically said never lift your hand to a woman, never. And I remember getting a sheep out of me in the park by a week or and all my mates standing there and I wouldn't hit her, and they were all going mad at me, going hit her, hit her, and I was going I mean it was proper digging me. And then it was, I was separated and the two other mates were laughing at me and I actually started fighting with them too and blabbed their names. They were going why didn't you hit her? And I'm going you hit her, I ain't going to hit you.
Speaker 1:So you can hit her.
Speaker 2:I always say to them because my mother brought me up, you never lift your hand to a woman. Do you know what I mean? But it does work both ways, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't shoot like women can expect to hit, fucking like batter a fella and not get hit back hit back or but it doesn't say it doesn't mean it's right, no, but it just means it's a natural reaction from a fella to just fucking are you being what? Do you mean protagonist?
Speaker 2:yes, exactly, did you know? But it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be, no, it shouldn't be. And that's where you have to have that inner strength to say this is over, this is done. This is not happening. Do you know what I mean? A lot of men suffer when they come out of relationships. It's like where they talk about you know, like a metaphor, for it is. You're sitting in this room and your chairs are your TVs, or your kids are there, or the house is there, everything's gone, and it's like somebody turns the lights out and then they put them back on again there's nothing there, and there's the depth, where men really, really, really struggle.
Speaker 1:Routine's gone, everything's gone, everything's gone.
Speaker 2:Familiarity Familiarity of just being familiar with everything and then you get that security thing do you know what I mean? And then it's like somebody just pulled the net on you and, like I said, I'm speaking about men. I know there's women who go through it as well. There's no s or buts about that the thing is with women.
Speaker 1:They still have that, still have that wee bit of power when it comes to security, because they know it's always the women that's going to fuck a fella out of the house house kids they've got the kid, they've got most of the time that's his mind and like fuck you, you're not seeing him. So men are out there and they're going what the flick? That's my kid. I have friends like who suffer badly, suffer badly, like from it and there's nothing they can do about it. Absolutely jacked up, there isn't.
Speaker 2:The only thing I can say to you is that even to your mates is there is help and there is ways. I work with a lot of it, a a massive amount of it, and it is about right. I need to get myself back. That's the first thing. When I get myself back, then I can start and work this out. Do you know what I mean? And fight for them and work for them as well. If they're what, a lot of men walk away and don't care my old lad walked away and never seen him.
Speaker 1:My brother, he's a prime example. Five months he's barely seen his kids once or twice and they're a wee bit of fuck. I know like they're fucking my wee lads fucking them. I slam him on the phone, call him. He's gone. I'm like Liam. I wonder why Aye Fucking me. And then now he's just five months clean.
Speaker 2:Locked in Liam.
Speaker 1:Locked in His kids. It all matters. I'm walking up to these women, walking up here, going to bring you to your partner and going fuck me or your or the fellow you've been asking for for the last five or six years A lot of times because of the drink and the drugs.
Speaker 2:It's pain. Do you know what I mean? People, especially in the western part of this world, I look at and I mean for years I knew no better. Yeah, I just knew no better. So you're going to look at harm reduction. You're going to look at what you're doing. Start cutting this down, start breaking this down. It doesn't make any difference if the pain still there. Same with people who come to work with me.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter if it's heroin, crack, cocaine, addiction to people, which is a massive addiction which people really don't work on and talk about being addicted to people. You know what I mean. Addicted to that dopamine spike system, spake system. Do you know what I mean? Oxytocin, which just happens to somebody and I'll let somebody walk over and tap me just to see if you're there. I've got that or you have to break it. Do you know what I mean? And get that love for yourself, what you're handing out for somebody. It's time for you to give yourselves. You know. But as I always work on it, somebody come in and go. I'm flat out in Cork and flat out in the Aussies and I'm flat out in this and I'd say to him I don't really want to know about that and he'd go what? What do you mean? Tell me what happened to you. Yeah, he wanted to work. What are?
Speaker 1:you shooting.
Speaker 2:What are you deflecting from? Do you know what I mean? And we need to go there. Do you know what I mean? As I say, I'm very, very lucky. I've been multiple, multiple sets of tools to work with and cycle sensory stuff for me is the way forward. Yeah, it's a way forward.
Speaker 2:The trigger and trauma, like trauma, literally physically changes the shape of the brain. Do you know what I mean? And when we're looking at triggering systems, when something sends somebody off, it's because something happened. And people even say to me I don't even know why I haven't done that panic attack, I don't know why I got all anxious. Do you know what I mean? But the amygdala system I mean basically Amy, as I call her because of my dyslexia can't save me. Just call her Amy. Amy. She perceives danger and she'll fire that off on a person that don't know what it is. I don't even need to know what the trauma is, I just need it in the wrong movies for me and then we can start this thing called depotentiation and literally they have no trigger back in them.
Speaker 1:It's a big thing with, like I said, I was, like they say, generational trauma, like obviously because of, like you say, the troubles. You've got the troubles, you've got them amongst it. So but then you wonder, like how far to travel? Because you can. Obviously there's generational trauma, there's obviously generational healing. If I start to heal, then my real adult will not suffer, correct?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean 100%, if we can pass down trauma, we can pass down healing. Yeah, you know, and there's the importance. What I mean? 100%, if we can pass down trauma, we can pass down healing. Yeah, you know, and there's the importance. Like take it back to your brother, yeah, who told him to go and start healing. I don't know, I mean, it's in you.
Speaker 1:It's always in you.
Speaker 2:It's always in you do you know what I mean? Just discovering it and knowing it. Of him out walking, you know that's back in the nature. Like I, have a complete routine and this is to say, um, working alongside young uh, rory sloan and resolute mains, and we have designed this program where we literally, I take, I teach 10 tools and he teaches 10 exercises, and you learn this over 10 days and then you run it for 30 days in journaling systems where you know, for me, walking about in your bare feet, there's a massive, massive connection.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just bringing you back into electrochemical fields, and that's what it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like plugging that camera in or plug it in ever so, I read, puts slippers on or flip flaps on. Every time I, every, every time I take him to yoga, I put a pair of flip-flops on or a pair of slippers on.
Speaker 2:Well, that's you disconnecting.
Speaker 1:Right away. I just hate walking about on bare feet.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm telling you, it's very, very, very goofy. You'll see me in my next fight, Calnie, really really good.
Speaker 1:Feet burnt off, toes racked.
Speaker 2:Your man's star man.
Speaker 1:He had toenails hanging off, he went all barefoot that fella, he went out of bounds Sean Skimp.
Speaker 2:He can't even get boots.
Speaker 1:Down the road bare feet.
Speaker 2:All them things. They call me the beach man because literally I'm a bum on the beach. That's me. Things like they call me the beach man because, like, literally, I'm up on the beach, that's me. I'm just constantly on the beach, no matter where I go, I have to get near water and it calms the system down. The tools I I mean people are with me one hour a week. They're 167 that do on their own before they see me again. So I give them a full tool set and I go right. Bonk, you started seeing the walk into my door, I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I say how you getting on with your tools, and they go aye, aye. I don't have to explain, I can say it.
Speaker 1:You've seen that many people come and go, Dozens dozens.
Speaker 2:I mean, I was in the prisons for seven years on the landings, working as well. Do you know? Now there's certain crime I may not work with, and that's's just. I've always said that I agree, right, I just won't work with. But you know DOCs, you know desalination criminals and they're just constantly in and out and in and in Talking about rehabilitation. You know you need to work with their trauma. Yeah, exactly, you can't keep they're just going to go constantly going into this.
Speaker 2:That's all I know. Gonna go cast. He's gonna into this. All right, gate fever is one of the big ones. Prisoners gonna end up panicked because they're getting let out they don't know what's out there.
Speaker 2:No, they don't know what they expect and they talk about gate fever and I learnt that in there. Do you know what I mean? Like, I've been in home centers and all that fire. That's nonsense. But you know, they have prisoners or they can't get out of the army and they're like shit. I'm gonna tell you whatever. Yeah, that's what we call the gate fever. You know, um, and a lot of them, boys, anchors, um, keep connecting back in with me, yeah, when they get out. You know. So I think, uh, for me it's important for people like you, even doing this podcast is so important because I can't reach, but you can reach. Yeah, it's getting the word out there.
Speaker 1:It's getting the word out there and people just need to realise it's not like, it's not the end of the world. Go and help yourself, do something for yourself, be selfish for the first time in your life, 100%. Be selfish, 100%, sure. Go and get a bit of help. Yeah, like, what's the point in? Like suffering to see someone you think, oh, he's going to get rid of me, fuck him, just go and be selfish.
Speaker 2:And that's what I try to get through to people Make a selfish decision and go and do something for yourself. Aye, and who are they?
Speaker 1:anyway and the fucking gates open up, the world opens up. You start to go to the gym, you start to train, you start to look better, physically better, mentally better. It's just a whole way Like see, when boxing obviously when people a lot of sports, people boxing now I always see people who retire go through a tough time. You see Ricky Hatton and stuff. I openly spoke about it. He went and got help, but how long did it take him to do that? You know what I mean. He really had to go rock bottom. Ricky Hatton had the one. He was like so silly, yep After all him achievements, after having the biggest support, uk support ever, in Vegas like 30,000 people travelled to watch him fight Mayweather.
Speaker 2:Or Mayweather right.
Speaker 1:Fuck me, you wouldn't get like 30,000 people Fucking hell.
Speaker 2:And none of that will come into his head. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean None of that will come into his head. He's just down the dumps and there's nothing to replace that back. So that's why, yep, you know my gym that keeps me focused in between fights. And I want to start going down a road of something else competitive like high racks, something that I enjoy doing to keep me physically fit and mentally fit, because it's something else to focus on. Keep my mind focused on something, because obviously, people in sport just I hate this thing they just develop. I know a lot of people who, younger freedom of football, cross the water and they've got bad, bad gambling issues because they're over it on their own and they're gambling and they're taking tablets and all and they go fuck me.
Speaker 1:What's going on over here?
Speaker 2:A lot of our young men that go over to play football are homesick. They think they're missing everything back in the house. Do you know what I mean? And they're missing fuck, all you know. And they give up their careers. I've worked with a lot of a lot of footballers. In fact, there's some stuff in the future that I'm going to be working with as well and it's about trying to get young men prepared just to go over there and stay over there and play football. Do you know what I mean? But even footballers, boxers, comedians yeah, comedians as well, with depression and, like Spike Milligan, bipolar, most of his life, depression most of his life, but one of the most funniest comedians I'll ever be on this planet.
Speaker 2:You know what did you call Robin Williams?
Speaker 1:Yep Robin.
Speaker 2:Williams.
Speaker 1:No one ever seen that coming. It was just like woah, because he was such a good, even like producers and directors, and to say how generous he was and how good he was, and that's like a thing of putting like a people pleaser, keeping everyone else, putting everyone else first, putting everyone first like I'll suffer to keep him is that what I get.
Speaker 2:Totally, totally. I mean good morning Vietnam. I don't know you ever watched a movie. Brilliant show, brilliant show. You know what I mean when you look at that man you can't even go to yourself.
Speaker 1:How is that level? But it's obviously.
Speaker 2:There's the masks yep, people have these masks and don't show them. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:it's do you think it's like? Do you think it's like whenever you're at the peak of your life, the peak of your career, whatever, whatever profession you're in, and it involves attention, you're getting a lot of attention. Do you think that's, do you think that's a big factor? Like, once you stop getting attention, it's like like no one cares with me. No, like maybe I don't know, I don't really know.
Speaker 2:Well, if you look at the addiction. And everybody's got everybody's got an addiction, I don't care who they are. Um, is that the addiction? Yeah, is that what releases that dopamine and serotonin into your body when people are just loving you and loving you and no matter what you do, you're making it and you're making it and making it. But then what prepares you? You look snooker players as well. When they got to the end of their, their game and their and their footballers and I mean just flat out in the drink drank himself to death, and that more money than you know you could ever imagine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you know what I mean? But that didn't make it. It was the attention. Yeah, it was the one people wanting them. Do you know what I mean? But that didn't make it. It was the attention, it was the people wanting them. Do you know what I mean? And I think you're right. I think you're on the bottom when it comes to that. That coming out of that world and then sitting on a chair and just going, wow, what the fuck happened. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:well, don't like, just it's a lifestyle you're not really developed for. Whenever you have to go home and just sit in the house. Now the weekend comes, you're like what do I do? Just chill out and have a go. I want to go out, I want to go out, I need to go out. You need to go out and do it. You need like, because you need to be in the spotlight.
Speaker 2:The spotlight. Tell me this, sean Do you know, to go into a boxing ring you have to be a special sort of mindset for that.
Speaker 1:Ah, shut up. Robbie Didn't want to say special need.
Speaker 2:but I'm just saying It'd be surely a fair. But also what's it like to be robbed in a fight, and you know, you're robbed.
Speaker 1:It's not just I, but you know. Ah, it's tough, it's tough. Everyone constantly talks about it every day, every day. I get that every single day, every single day, especially because he went on to beat Jose Ramirez. He beat Jack Carroll, he's now fighting Teofilo Lopez and he's making fucking big money. And he's fighting the best, he's beating the best and he's on the worst days. It's where I should have been and I believe, the road to the end you will be, I will be.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's going to hold me back, but it's just a wee temporary setback. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But that's your main thing.
Speaker 1:The feeling is like it's just, I'm done with it now. I'm just like forget about it, it's been and gone. Forget about it. There is absolutely nothing I can do about it. It's been and gone. It's out of my control. I can't control it. The judge has made the decision. The fate's out. Yes, I thought I won the fate, but that's all people. I don't want people to remember me for it. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean I bump into people Every single day. Stop asking them, that's all I talk about. Like yeah, fucking, robbed that last one, robbed that last one. I go, I know, fuck me, damn it, it's just the same answer. It's like they ever see, like If you're explaining yourself and it's three days, it's a three day fucking, you know, wake, wake and you're just, it's just new people coming and you just stand and repeat yourself constantly you're just exhausted going.
Speaker 1:I can't wait. This is fucking over. Like seriously, like I don't fucking right, make us last time.
Speaker 2:anybody awesome, I don't know, I know fucking ah Right, make us the last time anybody asked him.
Speaker 1:I know exactly, make us the last I know fuck. I don't know, I don't know. Just repeat ah, he fell, fuck. Ah, see you again.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I forget you're a boxer and you're a comedian. I know it's that comedian. I ran, as well as son and my daughter, morgan. But James and I lived together do you know what I mean? And we'd be sitting and the next thing he would just look at each other and go put him on. Put him on. Put him on like we've already watched it. We've watched them all, we've watched them all. Put him on. Whatever you know and that you know savers more laughter, more humor, kindness in this world. It would be a different world again. It would be a different world again. That's what I try to get out. Sean is basically listen, see, we can't do something like out turn, don't do anything bad, let them go. Do you know what I mean? It's a, it's a huge thing to people. People hold on to stuff destroying their own lives. Yeah, do you know what I mean? I'm going. You're doing this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nobody else is doing it. People don't really realise like they just think, fuck it. Like I'm this far gone now, like so what? Like I can deal with it, but just keep doing it, keep doing it. It's like you don't really. You don't really. I don't really think it registers that like the damage you're doing. I don't really think there's a connection between your brain and the damage. Like you can't recognise it there's three brains.
Speaker 2:You haven't just got the one brain, you have three brains. You know you've got this is the computer, this is the emotional brain, but the main brains, your gut, yeah, your gut tells you if you can put them three in a row and connect them with them, and you probably do a lot yourself. Do you know what I mean? Where it's just like you don't let the emotional side come into it, especially in that back and all that type of stuff. You know what I mean? It's just like bump and that's going to work. Yeah, laser focus I love the way you said it. Uh, one of the things where you're talking about. I've learned everything I've learned my game.
Speaker 2:So when I get into that ring, the form that you create in the behind the stages, you know what I mean when you're getting ready for the fight.
Speaker 1:I've done that many times, that many rounds I've done it, that many times I've just programmed and programmed, and programmed to do it.
Speaker 1:I can just when I go in the ring. Someone turns their body this way. I know what's coming. Someone dips their knees I know what's coming. I know, I can just see things. As soon as someone makes one movement, I know a punch is coming in return, a block can go. Or I just know someone slips to the right. I know what hand's coming back. Someone slips this way. They dip in ease. When I watch them, I know what they're gonna do and then, when I'm in the ring, I can react right away. Very few people can do that, but I know I can do it and that's all I do, but you're a slugger too like oh sure you have to.
Speaker 1:I had to change it up, change the tempo you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. You are a slugger before you go to that ring. Yeah, your atmosphere, your energy in the back room has to be good. I have a laugh, you're laughing.
Speaker 1:People can't believe it. People will look and go. It's going to be in five minutes. In front of this, in Barclay Centre, in front of 17,000 people, and I was like what's that like? Sean Sweet, it's good.
Speaker 1:I didn't even get a feed from it, or are you that? I'm just blank? Aye, just blank. It's her Job's on, it's her? I'm not there. I'm her. I'm not there. I'm not there. I'm just there. I know what I'm going to do and I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying me. I'm just enjoying me and my work that I've done. I'm just going. I know what I'm going to do here.
Speaker 2:Very proud of yourself, I know what I'm going to parade. I think that's what men need to do. They need to be proud of their achievements in this world, no matter how big you are or small you are. Do you know what I mean? The importance and I'll rattle back on you of looking after your own mental health is fucking huge. It's huge, and I mean. There is so much you can do Walking, hit the beach bare feet, breathing techniques, even sleep. Sleep's so important. I teach people how to sleep. Do you know what I mean? I have techniques for that and I I can sleep in five minutes. So can I? I?
Speaker 2:never overthink but what you've got is that security. Yeah, you're comfortable in life. Yeah, do you know what I mean? And I love the way you say I've got a roof over my head and I've got clothes in my back and I've got this and I've got that, and I've got my wife and I've got my kids and I've got my house.
Speaker 1:Do you know, some people never take that into consideration even though they have it, they still don't mean to think like it's still not enough because of society. My best one, dad, be driving a fucking Mercedes. I want to know people always want more. I told him even if I didn't have none of that I'd be still happy. I was happy. I was probably happier before. I had all that shit and more like just more grounded and more like what are you driving now, mercedes?
Speaker 2:I knew it.
Speaker 1:I was more grounded back then when I had less. I was more grounded back then when I had less. I was like set myself goals. That's what I was doing. I've achieved most of them and you've more.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean and that's the drive, and I think a lot of our men need to understand what's your next one, I know what's your next drive and see if that's only to get up the next morning. You know what I mean to get up the next morning. You know what I mean. I get up in the morning, I make the bed. I'm a great man. I have no religion in my eyes. I've got faith. Do you know what I mean? Religion for me was designed to divide.
Speaker 1:I'm the same. I don't believe I have faith in something, a god, somewhere, something. There has to be something. I don't even know what that is it could be fucking oxygen, for all I know but there's faith in something. I have faith that stuff is done.
Speaker 1:you blast yourself before you go into the ring or in the ring sometimes, but I don't blast it to a certain god, okay, I just blast it for, like, maybe maybe people have lost. You know what I mean. Maybe spirits, maybe just spirits, people who supported me, if they're close by it's demons, I bless myself. Demons, just like, be with me, be with me on success. I believe there's something there. I believe there's something there.
Speaker 2:I have massive belief in my guides and you know the saints I mean Paddy P is one of my big saints. You know, like I mean, paddy P is one of my big Saints, you know what I mean. And just just just guys around me, angels around me, counselling, they're always around me. Like I mean, when I'm working with somebody, the way I connect them with them is just mad. Yeah, they look at me and go, but, like Glen, are you a psychic? Yeah, do you know what I mean? I ain't going. No, no, I'm not. It's just, we're just attuned to each other. Yeah, and I can just see things when I'm working with you. Do you know what I mean? My mother, god rest her soul. She passed over and literally she passed through me. Whenever she did, I was there and I totally believe this. My two brothers they wouldn't say is my two brothers? They wouldn't say Patrick Peele's prayer. And I got it up on an ipad and I says, saying it to you, hold her hand and say it. I'm telling you she won't let go until you use her with her in this, in this prayer, and both of them said it. And the big brother he says I'm gonna go down, rest and eat down the house. And he was only living that far away from the house and the kid brother says I'm gonna sleep in the back bedroom. Do you know what I mean? I says away, you go.
Speaker 2:And then I had a bed up the seder and I never forget, sean. It was about quarter past four in the morning and I sat up on the bed and I just felt this going through me and I just like poof, what was that? And then there was this feeling of Christmas time when I was a kid. That's what hit me. It was that real good memory. The next thing I realised I couldn't hear her breathing and she had passed over.
Speaker 2:I got up and made a cup of tea. My ma used to always say you drab a tea, son, makes it all better. Now I remember getting up, making a drab of tea, saying a prayer over it, having my tea and I go right, I'll go and sort the rest of these things out. Do you know what I mean? So that whole spiritual thing, I'm very, very deep into, really, really deep into it. So prayer is a big thing for me, maybe for others, and the tool sets like I must make my bed in the morning. It has to be sitting like pinned, getting out. You know, a big thing for me also would be, as I say, on the beach. You ever done flotation?
Speaker 1:Don't know if I've done one of them?
Speaker 2:you ever done flotation, don't know if I want to have flotation tanks, don't donald don't donald hydraways yep, all right till.
Speaker 1:They're not for an hour great it is great.
Speaker 2:Great for your mental health, great for your strategy. Just great physically and everything. Yeah, I would float. Yeah, I would do a lot of floating. I think it's smashing. Cold water therapy, cold showers every morning. You know when you take a cold shower.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you can tell, because it's nice and relaxing. Look at that cold shower for your palsy you haven't done coke. I take it right, but see when you take a cold shower or cold water when you take coke, you haven't done coke, but when you take coke, jump in a cold shower.
Speaker 2:He has an arm.
Speaker 1:If he has an arm, go this me up.
Speaker 2:He's only doing this when I'm taking coke again, suck on it, but you actually release the same amount of dopamine in your brain as cocaine does. Serious In cold water.
Speaker 1:Eh Well, that's where so next time we're in a party and I want my brother to back a coke and throws them in the cold shower give me two seconds of that coke to go out, get you in the shower. I don't need that what the fuck are you at coke on top?
Speaker 2:this is bad, trust me, I'm so so all them sorts of things we need to be doing them yeah we need to be doing them.
Speaker 2:Going to the battle is not going to answer the question. Going to a bag of coke is not going to answer the question. It will take that emotional pain, emotional pain and physical pain completely different. Break your leg, it gets fixed. Emotional pain can stay for you for as long as you yeah, you know what I mean. So please, if anything is anybody's listening to us today is reach you and get support, is to start and help yourself. I mean, nobody taught you a bra.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got himself up there, changed man.
Speaker 2:Changed man, but only for the fact another man came to him which is his bra and went come on, I'm not going to sit and watch this, let's go. And people have to understand when they're using the abusing drugs and whatever it is sex porn shopping people, whatever their addiction is, they have a responsibility. Yeah, they have a responsibility and there's a lot of times people will talk about I can't help myself. You can get up and get a bar of coke. You can go to the bar. You can go and get courage. You can run after this, do this and do that. Do you know what I mean? You can go to a bar. You can go and get courage. You can run after this, do this and do that. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:You can be the edge kind of up yourself. You have to start focusing. Do you know what I mean? And, as I say to you, even in my work alternatives, I work alongside them. If anybody needs support, reach out to them. Do you know what I mean? And there's funded work there. I have private clinics as well and people don't want to wait. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:They'll come work with me. You were saying you're doing an online course as well, eh, the online course, where. What are people fanning out today? Is it fanning out of your social media, your website or something?
Speaker 2:Aye, emma Waters, therapiescom, but also Emma Waters on Facebook, tech, tech, instagram, instagram, that type of stuff as well. Do you know what I mean? But just put me in, I'll come up on it the all night course tomorrow. We're all day doing the video, do you know what I mean? And then the editors are coming in and it's going to be a package. I haven't worked out what the price is going to be. It's going to be cheap yeah, it'll be reasonable it's going to be really reasonable.
Speaker 2:Cheaper than a bag of coke anyway way cheaper, way cheaper, and that's going to be there as well. But it's something that we have to connect in. There's the videos with it, there's the the techniques with it, all of that stuff. You know what I mean. Step by step, step by step, and then they can actually, if they want to reach out and work with me privately or Rory or whatever, they can do. That also it's like an R level of being able to work with Zoom's a great thing I love face-to-face, even through, even through COVID. I still work and people still came to me like you know what I mean, I understand.
Speaker 1:Fuck's sake were. How's the rent? My dad's prison, long he goes. We're going to kill me. I mean fuck you, fuck, I was on the thing. I mean prison, long me. The prison's going to kill you. You don't have prisons.
Speaker 2:You won't be complaining, fuck you, you know what I mean, and there's, there's like I mean, but like yourself, I never got in jail, didn't I Do? You know what I mean? I wouldn't take vaccines, and that's everybody's personal.
Speaker 1:I'm the same. Do you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, but no.
Speaker 1:I just trust my own immune system, and if I died without taking the vaccine, then it's on me, isn't it? Aye, at least if I died, wouldn't I take one even worse or end up worse off. It's not on me, it's on them.
Speaker 2:But it was know, when we look and I I can actually map that back into covid.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. We're talking five years ago. I have never in my life seen mental health, separation, family breakdowns as bad in the last five years. That's because, yeah, big fucking, it's go down history books. They went to fucking, they even trauma.
Speaker 2:That that's caused a huge psychological damage. There's actually a measure in Switzerland was the only place that never used it. They basically went listen, we're not going to this, we're going to say you're just going to work, you're just going to go out to coffee shops, you can do all them things you want to wear a, but that's it. And their death toll was as normal for a day there, yeah, and that was the only con of it. And they literally I don't believe any psychological damage. The psychological damage is here in Great Britain, northern Ireland is massive. It's fucked. It is massive.
Speaker 1:My wife. My wife had a baby in her room. Everybody in there, no one was there. So she had that baby in her room. I didn't see her for two days later. The nurse had to put her in the door. I sat at the front door of my house going wait there for a car seat, but she couldn't get fucking in the car. So we got the car seat and they didn't know how to plug it in. It was freezing because he was born in January. I was like, well fuck, I was standing, I'm fucking going to burn this car, couldn't get that'll work.
Speaker 1:Couldn't get the thing in the plug, didn't know how to wire it up. I said they made us sit right there and she was like I'm not sitting in my chair. I was over an hour trying to get the car. She was like you should have tried it. You should have cut the thing before you came down and get me hit me.
Speaker 2:I was like I'll tell you, but even to that aspect you weren't there. Now she's, she's traumatised.
Speaker 1:She's fucked because she was in a wee room in her own, no one coming to her for hours Can. I come and see me. No, I don't know but she's just like she's like fuck it's mad, like thinking about going in there.
Speaker 2:Fuck, that's mad, the amount of people that close mates. And, as I say, my mother passed away too. Do you know what I mean? But they never got this here. Smartness in it. I was probably lucky. The wee priest knew my mother well, do you know what I mean? She just went bring it a bit on. That's cool, fuck me, that's crazy. Like, do you know where? I had mates there that never even got to see. It's nuts. The mother did you know. Her father did Just putting cotton I don't know where, and they had a stone away over there that they got by. I didn't even know it was him. So there's no actual in, I know. Do you know what I mean? It's gone and I see it every day. Social anxiety, yeah, nuts. Every day. Social anxiety, yeah, nuts. And then phones. You know social media is brilliant, yeah, it is brilliant, but the children are suffering from depression, like. I don't know about you, sean, but see, when I was 10, 12, 14, I didn't even know about depression, anxiety or nothing.
Speaker 1:I didn't know it existed. I didn't know it half existed. I didn't know it was, didn't know it half existed, I don't know what it was. Never heard of it. I remember when I was about 14, heard someone in my family died of suicide. I went suicide. The fuck's that. What's that? I was 14. One of my cousins fucking dug himself in. I was like what Suicide? What did he do? I hung himself. He fucked me. I was like fuck me, what the fuck's that about? I mean, it was the first person I heard of eating candles and we were friends. What?
Speaker 2:the fuck the day. We said the suicide as well and I was like, what for Do you know? What I mean, but now it's-.
Speaker 1:Fuck's sake. My aunt lost five kids, four of them to suicide, God bless her, and her husband had a heart attack and then an our kid died, was knocked down by a stolen car. Five kids, fuck me, you know what I mean. Four to seriously, it's insane isn't it?
Speaker 2:fuck me. No, that's insane.
Speaker 1:I was going when I was 14, I didn't know what that was. By the time I was 18, I'd lost me three or four of my phone numbers, five maybe from other cousins. You know what I mean it's horrendous.
Speaker 2:It's horrendous. I'm heading away to Barcelona. I'm going to Turkey get these teeth sorted out you'd be like a Cheshire cat.
Speaker 1:I got to get you on the plane to take care of someone else.
Speaker 2:I'd come back and tell him somebody else as you say you heard of transplant, the big shot else did you say your transplant?
Speaker 1:that makes that a real thing. Who's that?
Speaker 2:there's waters, you have to build trust over again.
Speaker 1:Roger, all the people come in to you?
Speaker 2:who's that that's?
Speaker 1:not fucking waters. It's me, it's not. I was with him last week.
Speaker 2:I swore I had to go. Literally I had condescend and I suffered and suffered and I was in Thailand, there, with Viv and man, I had to pull my own teeth out. I was mad, you know absolutely couldn't eat torture torture?
Speaker 2:sure was. And I flew back from Thailand and literally left the phone. I'd been following in this company and rang him and said when can you? And literally left the phone. I'd been following in this company and rang him winging to get me out. 16th of December, ran him away, flew over to there, made three hours. You know how long it took him to take my teeth out? Five minutes, seriously, every tooth, just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And then had a drill and came out with a hammer and chisel, to put it it's called I forget what it's called. I had a big bag. I was like, hey, hurry up, big lad, what are you looking for? Do you know what? I mean? It was nuts.
Speaker 2:But three hours later, four hours later, I was sitting having a bowl of soup, no pain, no numb. It was 27 and a half thousand. They were going to charge me. Oh, that's extortion. Yeah, it was Like a bad house, right. Do you know what? I fat, I couldn't afford that. And then Barcelona I was going away for a retreat for three days. I'd go to Wasga and Cabo, way up into the moons. I'll be there a week. Get myself back on the floor again, back in the psychedelics.
Speaker 1:Get the feet out.
Speaker 2:Ahoy Sean. I was sitting in the waterworks the whole day with my feet in the water. I don't care, I do havening. Havening is a massive, massive tool of mine, massive therapy that I use. It's one of the potentialities of working with a tiger Real trauma work. I teach people how to do their own havening. Now they come to work with me with trauma but self-soothing working with their anxiety. Everything the law was working with me in the trauma, but I literally teach them how to start healing themselves. It's all in their hands. It's very, very gentle but very, very powerful.
Speaker 1:I know that's cute. Like if I was to go to therapy, I would openly speak. Cool, like If I want, if I want to get, if I was to go to therapy, I would openly speak about it. I wouldn't tell people. I would tell people I would go to therapy, I wouldn't care. People are like but Sean, that's what people think you need to be saying I would go to therapy.
Speaker 1:See, if I went to you, yeah, to get it for healing, I would go to the home or the therapy. Like I says people home or the air. I'm under 30, like I used to say to people, I'm under the air, I'm I'm like what I just I'm under the air. I was in the air for a while. I went mainly for him, but I always had the idea of maybe still drink myself something not bad, but I just thought maybe I'll just go you like your soup don't lie.
Speaker 2:I drink as much as the next month.
Speaker 1:Fuck's sake, I drank your day's in the home, aye a dirty sack.
Speaker 1:I know that's not good, but that's that put me right, taken back by me saying that, aye, you know what I mean. And even when I walked in, there was people like who were in it. They're not judge Maddow, they're all in it and there was a few people who knew me and right who knew me, and Rick, but the box, no, I don't know. I don't think you need a drink, but I think that's not a problem. I just don't want to drink no more. Just, maybe it's just. I've just had a wee idea. I would just maybe like the sea, like Cooterstap or Wallistap or I don't know.
Speaker 2:If alcohol came out today it'd be totally illegal. You wouldn't be able to do it, it wouldn't pass. It wouldn't pass for anything. But you know, all we can do is just what you were saying there. It's funny when men are sitting with me in my office, my clients will turn around and say I'm like why do you have to be so safe here? Do you know what I mean? It's just one of them places you walk in and it's just. I have mad oils burning and it just you go to sleep.
Speaker 2:Havening makes you sleepy because you work with the delos in the brain and the next thing they're yawning and they'll go sorry, I'm sorry, and go. No, it's the havening that's doing that. It's part of your therapy. And you know women, you know the phone rings. They've got their phone on and they say can I answer that? And I go, why go ahead? And they'll answer. And the next thing I go here, I'm with my counsellor, I'm with my therapist and I'm doing a bit of work and I'm with him and he's doing my therapy and blah, blah, blah. Man, pick here, it isn't going to call you back. I read something and I'm not a bark bump and I'm saying that that's the idea.
Speaker 1:It doesn't change you.
Speaker 2:No, it doesn't change you at all see in America if you don't have your quack man or something wrong with you.
Speaker 1:I know something wrong with me, they, they boast about it. I know I've been having a shrink. I you're having a shrink or something wrong with me.
Speaker 2:I just don't have one. You're something wrong with me, you haven't. Do you know what I mean? So it's an attitude that our men need to be able to get help and get support, you know, because everything will pass, yeah, in life. Everything will pass in life, and that's what's important and we need to get them. And I mean the comedians they're doing the boxing thing, yeah, lethal.
Speaker 1:And that's for men, to help help. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean More of that needs to be done. It's people like yourself and your associates, the boys that you run about with, that can promote this so much, and that's the privilege you've been on here with you today Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:They know where to get it. You go to Emmet Waters Therapy.
Speaker 2:Emmet Waters Therapy. I'm in the shag of the road but, as I say to you, I work multiple places using three alternatives you and I, and you'll get that it's 02890311420. Then you go on to my Facebook, emmet Waters Therapy, tic Tac and you'll get connected, or just ask I don't do promotion.
Speaker 1:Then you go onto my Facebook, Emma Waters Therapies, TikTok, and you'll get a connect or just ask. I don't do promotion, Just reach out, drop them on a message, take it from there, take the first step. Excellent, We'll finish up here. Thank you for coming on today, mate. I think there's some good stories there.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much for having me Brilliant, brilliant.