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The Public Nuisance Podcast
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The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #029 “That's a House Breaker” with Julian O’Regan
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome Julian O’Reganr to the podcast.
We cover Julian’s loss, Julian’s Resilience,Charity Work, Boxing, Mindset, Hybrid Boxing, Influencers, TikTok and much more.
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Welcome to this episode of the Public Nations Podcast, brought to you from Killin' Studios, right here, where you can get all your content done, from photo shoots to podcasts tailored for you. We've got it, Reagan. Thanks for coming in today. Man, Appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Good man. Thank you for having me Looking forward to it yeah, yeah. Buzzing last night felt like Christmas Eve. I was like fuck, how are these days coming in? Always fuck happy days, can't wait to get in all this people always be, people generally be nervous.
Speaker 1:Coming on, were you nervous?
Speaker 2:nah, not really more excited obviously I don't know about podcasts and stuff in the past and then this one was more exciting because again get a talk about boxing and stuff and all later on and stuff. I'm looking forward to that there. Get to ask you questions and things and interview you reverse the road yeah and no, I'm just looking forward to it, mate.
Speaker 1:Just exciting, you know obviously we were talking like we've been talking online and stuff on tiktok and all the rest of it and like it's probably the podcast you've done in the past. You want to see people near enough to see another Shady and you know what I mean, yeah, yeah obviously you've had a. You've had a fucking crazy, crazy, crazy time and crazy few years, I suppose, if you want to put it.
Speaker 2:But the thing I, the thing I always try to promote from that problem. I know this will probably go a bit more serious before you, but at the same time we're still going a bit of a crack like. But the thing was after the last podcast I did. There was so many people messaged me and they were like um, you know, fuck, you're a warrior, you've done this, you know you and your missus have been through hell and all this here, other stuff.
Speaker 2:But the thing that I keep trying to teach people is like you know life after that. So it's kind of like you know, two years on from you know losing your child and stuff and all, and people are, like you know, probably wondering what it's like. But, as I keep saying to people, like the message that she taught me was that life does go on and it's it's, you know, it's something that you know I have to go on and you learn from it and makes you tougher and stronger and that's what I like thought would be. You know to give you a shot, because obviously you come from fighting backgrounds. You know it's like to be fighting when things got hard. You know to keep going. Yeah, and that's the same in life and that's the message I keep trying to teach them. Really, you know yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:It's about two years ago, was that?
Speaker 2:two years. She passed away in september 2023, um, but the whole way through, like, she was alive from january 2023 to september 2023, but the whole way through it she was just um fighting. You know, just kept fighting, and fighting, and fighting, and fighting. And that's the message it taught me was um about just learning to keep fighting through all that shit too, you know, and, and that's the thing it taught me was um about just learning to keep fighting through all that shit too. You know, and and that's the thing now that I try to promote and teach people is, like, no matter how fucking tough it is in your life, like you know, whatever shit you come through, you can keep going and that's the message I was saying to you about trying to teach people.
Speaker 1:You don't make me ask him what was it? Difficulties with the barf, was it or?
Speaker 2:yeah, so basically what happened really was that there's a condition called gastroschisis, right, so, um, it's quite common. It's like between ireland and the uk there's about 300 children per year have this condition, where, um, basically there's a wee opening on the tummy wall and um, inside the women and the baby's organs then come outside and present themselves outside and grow outside with the baby.
Speaker 2:Um, relatively normally, what happens is they they give birth to the child through cesarean and then they put the organs back into the child and look after the child in it in icu and the child will then grow up and have a normal life. What happened with rue was that rue was inside the womb and she her intestines wrapped around each other and lost her blood flow and then, because she lost her blood flow, she had to be then like brought to emergency c-section and she was then delivered and that was the beginning then of all ruse problems. Um, she uh, basically like uh, had to have her small intestines nearly 90 percent of it removed, so she was then left with a condition called short gut and then that meant then she uh had all these problems eating and stuff, and also you had to live on like fake nutrition and stuff yeah and then she had operation after operation, after operation after operation, but every operation she had me she just smiled at it, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, she just smiled and kept going and going and going and that's where the story came from. So people started following the story, started seeing this wee child that kept trying to fight for his life and then she needed organ donation and stuff as well, and then that brought on a massive amount of following, because that was around the time when Dahi's log came into the country in 2023, so that all compiled into this big story and everyone just started following it and following Rui and yeah that's where it all kicked off.
Speaker 1:I actually became an organ donor off the back of Dahi because of that, yeah, I signed up to it and was like you know what? What the fuck, if anything happens to me, I have pretty healthy organs, I believe. And I was like just because of Dahi I just think he's brought a lot of attention to it and Dahi I went to school with Dahi's dad and stuff.
Speaker 2:So it was like Martina, so it was like fuck it I'll.
Speaker 1:What good am I to me when anything happens, maybe like the past month?
Speaker 1:so yeah, just for that. I mean, they raised a lot of awareness for it and still do like they're very good and I was not aware of it. You know, it wasn't really a big thing to me. I was like really a big thing to me. I was going like, what did you do? It wasn't something I thought of like I don't eat your organs, but I like, nah, it's like why wouldn't you? I mean, why wouldn't anyone? I know people. Even if you're religious and you believe, like your soul is gone. Wherever it's gone, it's it's your soul, it's natural you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:they're literally going to waste, they're going to like, they're going to just, they're going to turn the mold in a few months onto the ground. So if someone can benefit from it, like like I would, I would encourage anyone to donate their organs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100, because the thing with rue was that rue needed a multiple organ donation. So she needed like a small intestine, a pancreas, a liver and um, a colon. And the thing is as well it's still. You'll see this if you look it up in the law and stuff is that under 18s are excluded groups, so it means that your parents have to then turn around and say you know, it's okay for you to take your child's organs and all, but I don't think any parent you know that's a very hard decision, like even though as a parent, I have a wee seven year old, even though someone turns around and says can we take your child to work? And I know she's passed away. It's a tough, tough decision.
Speaker 1:I would say yes, like personally, I would say yes, because I know, but you have to have a good understanding of, like, what life and death is. You know what I mean and it's a wee bit like. It might be a wee bit blunt, but that like me personally, I believe if anything were to happen to my son, I believe it would happen, yeah, and I believe so it'll go to happen, and his remains will stay on earth for insects to eat and rats eat, and I believe a soul will be with me forever. Yeah, but I would like his organs to give someone else a life that he never had. Yeah, you know what I mean. So that's the way I would look at it as a parent.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But like, don't get me wrong, it would be. It would give me a wee bit of hope in something that I'm the one, some other kid who may not get the chance to live, is going to get the chance to live because of my son. You know what I mean. That would be.
Speaker 2:That would make me feel warm see, when we were in Birmingham and stuff and all we were getting told you know like in order for Rue to survive this, you need to have a child who's three or four years old. You know that passes away because we need something like 18 to 20 kilograms of like organ tissue to use right, and then, like they're also telling us things like you know, if a parent does come along, it's nice to come along and be like you know, have a friendship between them, send these letters and stuff at Christmas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you become like friends with the family Back and forth. Yeah, yeah, so like you like, say, for example, your wee lad, or whatever happened you would, you'd be forever grateful to that family. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You'd always be forever grateful. You'd be sending fucking Christmas gifts, you'd be sending cards. You'd be. You would just you'd have to stay in contact because they've given your, your sibling, a second chance. You know what I mean. Yeah, every time you look at your, your, your child, you would go that's because of that family yeah how would you not be forever?
Speaker 1:grateful for that like and I mean everyone's different but that's just a message that I would like, that I would sign out to anyone to be like, why wouldn't you? Like just, I know it's like it's a hard decision to make, like that's my child's organs, but like the just, it's just a message that I would. I would say yeah because, like, why wouldn't you want to get? Like, imagine you were looking that opportunity, put yourself in the other parents yeah that's what you want for your own son. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So it's your own daughter, whatever it may be, but I suppose it's just one of them things you will never know until you're in that situation yourself that's it, mate, because like see, you were saying about the situation and stuff and all like again, like that was the thing that I tried to promote as well was another message I was saying to you was like you hear all these parents and all saying you know, like if I lost my child, I don't know what I could do.
Speaker 1:You know, and you know you're just saying you wouldn't know what to do right.
Speaker 2:And then, like that was the thing that I massively tried to promote as well was that, like my biggest fear was losing a child. Like I was always like, um, oh well, if I ever lost child, I'd jump into the coffin after me. That way, yeah, and that was my see the whole thing as well. With rue was the background story as well was that she had taught us, as parents, like so much about, like you know, your mind over matter and problems and things like that, and your worries and your fears and how your thoughts are just thoughts, so they're not actually real. You know things like that and we always try to promote that and teach that to people too. Um, so, basically, when uh Rui passed away, then I had to face that problem which was, like, you know your child's, your child's gone now, so, like, you know, how do you deal with that there? Like, um, you know, like, and people still say, how do you deal with it, but it's being in, you're saying there a minute ago, which is like you don't know what you do.
Speaker 2:But when you face that, yeah you're there, you, that's when you figure it out, you know. I mean and that's the problem people sometimes always have a thought about like fuck, I wouldn't know what to do. I'm worrying about this here. How do I sort that out?
Speaker 1:but more you know, through all that type of stuff, your mind, yeah, you just, I don't know. It's sort of like you would just people say, like someone. You just says they're people saying how did you deal right, you're still dealing, right. Yeah, you won't deal with as long as you live. Yeah, and it's like you don't just deal with it, you're dealing with it every day your life. It's just how you, how you deal with life and then under them circumstances that haven't lost like you wouldn't be here today if you didn't exactly, man, exactly I wouldn't have met you.
Speaker 2:Probably through it you wouldn't be raising awareness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you wouldn't be trying to, you know you wouldn't be trying to promote but what you do and mindset and and all that carrying on is there like charities, like is it just the organ donation charity or anything you would be so the organ donation charity, like I would always advocate now to people always do.
Speaker 2:Like you know, obviously the Dax's Law has changed. Now we all opt out now but still sign yourselves up to the register and stuff you know, because if you, if you pass away now you haven't signed on it, then your family still has it has a right to say yes or no. But if you sign into it now that you, yeah, you're locked in completely.
Speaker 2:That's your decision now. So I always advocate that there now, um, make sure, like you know, if you're, you know if you want to do that, to make sure that you're in that there, um, but no again, it's just like for me, like organ donation, again, my children are so, so tough to even talk about because, like again, the parents have to make a decision for the children on the under 18s excluded group and it is a very, very, very tough and hard um place to be in for parents to make a decision. But, like for me, I think personally, my goal was to try and teach parents that you know you can go on if you lose your child. You can have a life, you can have fun, you can go on holiday, you can have crack, you know you can still have a laugh.
Speaker 2:You can still do whatever. It helps you because you know that that whatever situation you're in the past or whatever problems you had, it's always with you. But it helps motivate you to go on forward more. Like there's like nothing now in my life. That fucking scares me. Like how soon was it?
Speaker 1:so she, after you passed it, you started to develop that mindset. Or was it like did you win the dark place for you? Like like proper time?
Speaker 2:for a while like see when, I see, when I was going through that whole situation, I came across this book. Do you ever hear your man called Ashley Kane? Yeah, no, so like when I was reading that book, I felt like like my life was like similar to his. Now his child passed away from cancer but everything.
Speaker 2:I was in the same hospital. So in Birmingham, um, I was, uh, it was a ward above him and I started reading that book, I started reading his mindset and, uh, it was that book that really helped me through that period. So, like I kind of built that mindset during it, thinking, you know, like whatever happens whatever happens here, I'd be okay, like I'll just be okay, no matter what happens.
Speaker 2:And then like, um, it happened and all, and obviously you go through hell, like you can't just turn around and go through a hard time and be normal. You can't. I remember the psychologist says to me in hospital. She says to me we used to get this lady came into us and she was like um, there's nothing I can say or do to tell you what you're going to do, you'll just figure it out yourself. And I remember thinking to myself oh, there's the best bit of advice I've been given by psychologists, because you've got these psychologists that turn around and say like, oh, you should be doing this, you should be doing that, don't be doing this, don't be doing that. She says to me you're going to figure it out yourself. And I was like hell. So she was right and you child passed away or whatever else and went through hell, but it's through the hell. Then you kind of find yourself you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You kind of start to realise who you are and what you can do and what you've been through and see now nothing fucking scares me now like honestly God, nothing fucking scares me. You've nearly not faced fucking hell. Face on this. That can ever happen to you can also be the best thing that ever happened to you, just depending on how you look at it. You know that way, like, like you know yourself as a fighter, there's been times you're probably sitting there before a fight thinking, fuck, he's good fuck he's good, fuck he's good.
Speaker 1:Every time I'm fighting him, I walk. I be making a ring walk on what the fuck? Why am I?
Speaker 2:here what into that ring it's like your alter ego comes in and you're like, right, okay, it's me. Now you know it's the fighter. Now it's a different version of yourself. So that's what I talk about as well is like right now, anyone worrying about something? When you come to it, it's different. Then you know, and that's the thing I try to piece together, face on.
Speaker 1:It's like stuff like I have a really good mindset, very positive, and like there's not, I don't see, like I see a solution and everything. That's a matter of that and I don't think I don't get upset for it, like it's very hard to be upset for me, like I just don't see anything that puts me in a bad mood, or like because I always go like relax, relax, it's just like there's always, it's very, very hard to put me in a bad mood.
Speaker 1:It's very hard. My wife, like my wife, she'd be fucking stressed out the last night. She was going home overwhelmed and she left fucking she was going to work.
Speaker 2:She's like that's the fucking best solution I have for you to don't do it well, see, you probably learned that attitude because of your boxing, you see. So you've always come up. You've always probably been in this position where you're like there's stress in the background and you get there, you sort it out. You know that way whereas I think that you learn that from sport. You know, like growing up and fighting and whatever it don't do, that they're like fuck fucking Chapman's not done.
Speaker 1:Fuck people, be in there like see, when I'm in a changing room, like say, I've been in like a busy changing room before where there's like three or four fighters out and they're all fucking pacing and I'm always just relaxed and joking and laughing. People come and go, you're on next take a stab. I'm like sorry me yeah, hurry up yeah, he's had to be me exactly I don't speak panicking it's my show sleep relax.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like start to show where me. Go ahead. If you want me to fit, go ahead yeah but just use a way. Time dongs, I wasn't aware that he was one that commit yeah so I don't need to be ready until I'm ready.
Speaker 2:I always trying to stay calm and I'm situations.
Speaker 1:But I coached someone for the first time on a pro show in Waterford when Tyrone McKenna was fighting your man from Waterford. But I ended up doing someone's corner. Shane McConnell, he trains me. Pete Taylor was away to America so he couldn't do it. So I went there and helped out in the corner and did the same thing on him. But Shane was like when are you going to do it? So I went there and helped out in the corner and they were doing the same thing on him.
Speaker 1:But Shane was like when are you going? And I was like relax, lad. Yeah, and he was up there like up the high road going. No, because he's only had like four fights or something. And I was like just relax, they're not going to start the show with you, yeah. And he was like we're going in a minute. It's fuck me, relax, just settle down and keeping it like. But he says to me he went in the moment by a knockout and he came out of it. He's like fuck me, you're so calm, he's from Waterford. He was like you're so like, you were so calm.
Speaker 2:And I was like what are? They are 100%. Because you're not nervous enough?
Speaker 1:we don't use any nervous energy. You just you do like, when you have so much confidence and your ability and your training that you've done, when you replicate something so many times yeah it's, it's just muscle memory. Yeah, stuff just happens and you've studied the style, you've studied your tactics.
Speaker 2:You know what you're doing it just happens, because your man what do you call him? George St-Pierre says preparation builds confidence. You know so, preparation for fights builds confidence, and confidence is what wins your fight.
Speaker 1:Confidence is key when you visualise. It's like people say visualisation you visualise every day without even knowing you're doing it. It's not. I don't go into training going like I need to visualise knocking him out. I need to visualise knocking him out.
Speaker 1:I don't visualise knocking anyone, I just visualise me boxing with and just like this is going to work, this is going to work, this is going to work and I know what I'm doing is going to work. But I know it's going to work and when I win the ring, it just works. And I knew when I fought my last fight in New York, the odds were stacked against me. It was 71 to bookies, but I knew I was going to win. I knew it. I just knew. I was like, if three weeks from now it's here, I know I'm going to win and I was taxing my mates to back me. You know, like fate, like that was your man.
Speaker 1:That was your man, barbosa, hi Barbosa so I just knew I was gonna win. That's like one of them things. I was still training, not specifically for that opponent. So I can't say I had three weeks notice because I was always training, like even now I'm training. If someone was to phone me and say, sean, you're fit in three weeks, that's cool my weight's good. I'm always training.
Speaker 1:I'll be able to fit in three weeks, and that's what happened with Barbosa. So I was fit. But like you have to adapt to start dropping the weight and then you have to start tailoring your sparring around him, so you only get two weeks of sparring really for him, but I just knew I was like everything I do is going to beat him.
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Speaker 2:I was it's funny enough like I do a wee bit train now, a bit of boxing now, like so I went back. That was another thing I was gonna say. The box has really helped me with everything happened, my wee girl, because again it's like you're fighting in your life every day. So now you're fighting in the ring now and that's why, um, I went back to boxing. I was saying earlier on, before I started the podcast, I did a bit of lots of MMA when I was younger. I trained with a lot of boys like Reece McKee, norman Park, colin Robinson, conor Kirk does bare knuckle.
Speaker 1:I trained with it's big down there, isn't it? He's like hold on. Why is he walking in the wee bar down there? I don't know. Give me someone a bit of shit, you wouldn I'll take your fucking band out. I know I know.
Speaker 2:So I trained a lot when I was younger and then stopped for seven years and then obviously then, whatever happened, I came back to it and see the way you were saying about the three weeks, like I had a fight, I got cut up in there like did you ever hear of hybrid hybrid boxing oh, hybrid boxing, I had done that there three weeks ago.
Speaker 2:But you were saying, there I had three weeks to get ready. My girlfriend had a heart operation and then my coach rang me up and he was like, right, you said you wanted to fight in Liverpool. Do you want to go? And I was sitting there and I was like, ah, fuck my weight. I don't know what my weight's like, don't worry about the weight. Do you want to go? And I says, fuck it, that'll do.
Speaker 2:Your mum's a fucking animal like he fucking like he was fucking Polish fella gloves would fucking cut me open, but, like you were saying, I had three weeks to get ready. So I know exactly where it's coming from, saying you do get ready in three weeks and you gotta tail it around and change it I didn't have that time, but I just went down and done it and I never bit a crack.
Speaker 1:You always make the orion happy. You always be glad you've done it, I mean 100%.
Speaker 1:You would be kicking yourself if you didn't do it. The opportunity came, someone else, they took it and and commit the orion successful. You'd be like what an idiot I know I know. So it's just saying it's having a better belief in yourself. People, now don't get me wrong. My coach sometimes says to me nah, you're too weak, you're too good to be taking fights on three weeks notice. I'm saying, oh, but this is a world title limiter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. He's like I believe in you fully, but like you need to be like I may have no promoter and as a world title, I'm not a big money.
Speaker 1:I had to take it and he knew, like he knew I had to take it. He was like I know, but like it's just, it's disrespectful, because you're a lot better than just taking weeks off, like you in the mix for a world title. And he's like right, I know, and then that was it, but it's just one of them things. You just have to have belief in yourself to do it. And when you do do it, it's like right. Everyone was saying to me it's going to be the making of you, because there were so many big names that spoke out about it, like Terry Atlas, loads of big on Twitter. And I went. I said to Pete Taylor I was like that's fucking brutal, I'm not going to get a fight for the rest of.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to get a fight again and he was like but yeah, I think you will like you will, I will now. I've got one now. I've got one now.
Speaker 1:I'm fighting here in Galway in six, seven weeks, fighting in Galway rounder. So it's just to get me back in the mix and then I'm hoping to just progress and push on in my career. But I'll it's near enough, like six rounder, get the win and then just push back on the tails aim for titles. Um, so the thing is with boxing you can't fight for a title if you've lost your last fight so you just even if I want a six rounder, that's me eligible again the faith for any title.
Speaker 1:So I'll just try and I'll get this faded me and push on for the end of the year and try and get a good finish this year. Yeah, because, like, like I'm 32, people ask what age are you and I go 32 and they go fuck a few years. You've only a few years, but I don't. I feel like I've like an eternity in me maybe it just happens but if you look around out the wicca tea, he's 36.
Speaker 2:He's getting better two years ago he was nowhere, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:He just had to hold on that bit of hope and that wee bit of faith stuff will come for you and I have a funny story about him, though I'll tell you after do you, fuck's sake, do your fucking hair I.
Speaker 2:I fucking I get my hair cut. As I was sitting there one day and my barber was sitting fucking cutting away at my hair and I heard the other barber shouting out the window yo, and I was like what's happening? And they're like have you got them? And he's like I've got them, I'll bring them up now.
Speaker 2:And I thought to myself this boy's probably bringing up a fucking pair of and next thing this fella walks in baseball cap on Celtic top, on beard and he looked like a fucking like he looked like a guitar briefcase. Right next thing he walks into the barbers and I'm sitting there and I'm like he turns around and I'm like where the fuck are Anto?
Speaker 1:and fucking legs. No going out. He's like fuck, where's Anto and the?
Speaker 2:next thing I was like tell my barber, fucking her up and cutting my hair so I can get a picture of him. And I was speaking away to him and he was 100%. The first thing he says to me was do you have Instagram or Facebook? And I says no, mate, I've only got TikTok. And he says sure, give us a follow.
Speaker 1:And he, the earth normal, everyday guy, just just normal life. I've seen people were writing him on twitter. Someone. Someone wrote saying about, uh, about him taking peds, performance enhancing drugs, saying look at the last three years he was no one. Now he's just bothered everyone he's always capable doing that.
Speaker 1:He just wasn't given an opportunity yeah someone says peds, but I see he handled it so well. He just went. Mate, I would need. He's like I just love boxing. I have no interest in taking people's lives or putting people's lives in my hands like over money or fame or anything like that just to win. I just love boxing and if we get an opportunity, I've took it. So he's handled that very well. He's just he's handled that very well and he's just he's a brilliant fella, 100%.
Speaker 2:He's so nice. I've met a few like, obviously I've met you, I've met Anto, I've met funny thing as well. I always tell people this story. See, when I was 22, coyle Frampton came down. Sorry, 23. Coyle Frampton came down to Bray's Leasing in Antrim to watch us do the Maze Show and he and it was class because he was running around back then, before he turned like he was maybe just at the start, just running around with tins of tenants and all you know just having a great crack and all having a laugh. He was dead on his fuck and I actually bumped into him and Paddy Barnes in 2019. That was in New York. They were fighting in the. Barnes was fighting in the Michael Cohn show. I was not afraid of that, I was over. So I went yo, carl and my mates were all like where's Carl Frampton, where's Carl Frampton? And they all were out taking pictures of Carl Frampton and Paddy in New York, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was actually supposed to fit on that car. Paddy took my slap. There's a funny story. I was told that I'm going to be on that show Michael Cullen's on the card and St Paddy's day in New York. So I was like happy days, I was buzzing for it, like I told Paddy, told him, but we lived together in Glasgow, we were training together.
Speaker 1:Paddy was meant to fade on Frank Warren card and on Frampton's on the card against Warrington in December. So Paddy was told he was going to be on straight after Frampton. So he got gloved up right at goal. Frampton got beat by Wellington. Pally was doing the pads and he was waiting to get the ring and they were like no, no, no, someone else is going on. So Pally was like what the fuck? I was told I'm on. So the guy from Queensbury were like no, it's such and such on. Pally was like they were saying you're on next.
Speaker 1:But this stage, the arena cleared out. So Paddy was like right, then the next fight. He thought he was going in and then it was Sam Maxwell, another stablemate of ours. He says nah, it's you, sam's going in. Paddy was like it's fucking me. And they were like no, no, it's Sam and you're on last. Paddy says I'm going to fuck you, take your gloves off.
Speaker 1:So Paddy's manager slavering like fuck to Paddy's manager saying so Paddy's been on Twitter giving Frank Warren a stick saying you struck my, you struck me for my world title fight. You didn't pay me a full amount, you're not gonna pay me, so take it out of the act. Back and forth, back and forth. And then this was like after Christmas, the end of January, and his manager phoned him, was like Paddy, he was giving off to him again. We leave Frank Warner alone on Twitter. Stop fucking giving off to him. He's giving me a headache and you're giving me a headache, so just stop it. So Paddy was like I know, but fuck, I'm not paying him, I'm not, but I'm going to put you on the New York show instead of Sean.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck so Paddy's going to be he's got the phone right in. There he was talking about it.
Speaker 1:He's going. Oh, eh, eh, eh, eh.
Speaker 2:Paddy's still got a post.
Speaker 1:He's like lads, I'm fading on that New York show. I was like fucking me rat.
Speaker 2:And then after his fight he got battered and was put on the run I was gonna say I was like, yeah, fucking, I got the last laugh he wrote a post up or something on Facebook and I wrote to him saying here, mate, I was talking to you and Carl, do you remember?
Speaker 1:in the cafe before the fight and he wrote back because he got battered. He often puts a photo up. See, like St Paddy's Day every year, he always puts that photo up and he's like can't be St Paddy's Day, and he's just covered and his face is smashed a bit.
Speaker 2:It's like when Conor Burns does that Halloween thing like see Eugens going out and couldn't get a lift.
Speaker 1:The Caffrey's the Caffrey's wrote me oh fuck, I, oh fuck.
Speaker 2:I was watching a short with him this morning, or a TikTok and that other one, and he was saying about like block a PSNI on Snapchat and on TikTok and all what's that he says block a PSNI on everyone.
Speaker 1:He's shit scurred a PSNI. There was an old video of him years ago where the PSNI get out of the car and he legs it, but they're not even going to offer him. Just round the wrap someone's door, door or something, and he just sees him and he fucking puts a boot down really fuck I said to you very well, sweet grand, then he's running.
Speaker 1:He's someone's in the waterworks jogging and I go come on birdie. And they turn the camera and it's him wrong. And he's a pair of brown fucking shoes on, about that's it. He's just laying it with a pair of jeans on. I was like it's fucking insane. He's funny, aren't they? He's flattered on that tiktok, don't they?
Speaker 2:aye, he's funny as fuck like. But um, I was gonna say it is well like see, we're talking boxing and stuff. Now what's your opinion then? On like the whole like say pro thing coming up in a minute, like say pro white colour stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't, don't mind it like if there's money, whatever level they're at. I don't really begrudge anyone fighting and training if they're training and they fight go for it.
Speaker 2:Do you ever think like sometimes there might be like mismatches and maybe dangerous things? They got there you get. Sometimes it gets a bad rap.
Speaker 1:That way you know it does like obviously, like I don't know. It's like if they do it official, well, there's official weigh-ins and official records boxing's dangerous, normal boxing's dangerous. Like there's people getting killed you know what I mean. And like it's a like professional boxing is a fucking, is the biggest joke of them all, I think, because it's not even fucking like anyone can turn pro yeah and obviously there's a medical required where you have to pay a lot of money to get your medicals done, like I think it's 700 quid or something.
Speaker 1:I have to pay it the fuck. I have to pay it this week hard, bro, and then I have. Then you have to pay for your medical or you have to pay for your license, but you have to be now. Obviously I was granted a license easily because I had a good pedigree of boxing when I was an amateur. But I still feel like if you have just a couple of amateur fights, they'll still give you a license.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean it's easy done, it's just.
Speaker 1:They just make money off it you just pay for license, get their medicals. If they're all clear and your MRI is clear and everything's good to go, you can jump around like there's pros out there with fucking 40 fights and 40 losses yeah, yeah, journeymen.
Speaker 1:And they're just getting battered around the ring for money. So, like there should have, there should be a criteria before you're eligible to turn pro. It's like if you want to play professional football, you've got to play at a certain level. Yeah, do you know what I mean? There should be some form of but again, it's a business. That's when it comes in, that's where. That's where business comes into. And yeah, that's why amateur boxing's harder than professional boxing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you go through amateurs and you go through your proper criteria and things like that. If you're an elite fighter.
Speaker 1:You're fighting an elite fighter. And that's it Bottom line. You elite championships. You're fighting elite fighters and only elite fighters. Yeah, it's not. You can't fight. You can't let the novice and beat a novice up. Do you know what I mean? So they've got a better structure than what the professional do.
Speaker 2:Professional business you would get like sometimes, for example, like like a professional fighter, would like go away and come back and have an easy fight for a warm up and then go and fucking. I'm doing it. Now I'm going to fight for 6th round and beat some, some pure bastard up, yeah, to get your ring rust off and then go back. I'm going to see me and Darren getting bags knocked in. Fuck's sake someone to tell someone, to tell, tell, fucking, screw that to be done, fuck this, oh fuck aye some cunt is just fucking turning prone.
Speaker 2:He's had like a hundred fucking fights in Thailand or something but no, it's like it is.
Speaker 1:It's professional boxing, it's just. It's for me it's. I love boxing, but I hate the game. You know what I mean. I hate the game like the politics of it, the politics of it, the fucking, the business side of it, the money side of it, the fucking, the business side of it, the money side of it. People taking drugs and they're still out of fate. People like if you're caught taking PEDs, you should be banned can I allow horse meat? I was eating horse meat, my eggs tainted.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean it's all balls like, that's when it's, that's how you know it's a business. Because they're, because they're still allowed to fight. Conor Benn is still allowed to go and make fucking 60 million or 50 million to fight Eubank after being caught with drugs yeah, in the system. But after two years comes back and fights Already a bait. So what? Yeah, he's still fucking Like, he's trying to cheat, he's trying to fucking hurt people. Yeah, and if you're not good enough to win with your own ability, don't box, go on fucking competing. Something else, yeah, I mean like.
Speaker 2:There's manny pacquiao right. He's taking what he's taking, fucking what. He's been retired there.
Speaker 1:He's now came back for a for a title fight like, and it's like how the fuck did he get title fight straight away?
Speaker 2:because you're meant to beat the fuck. You're meant to beat the criteria to get into the title fight at.
Speaker 1:WBC. It just goes to show you it's. There's people who fucking work their balls off to get in the top 10, their whole life, sacrificed so much. Pacquiao's been there, done. He's been retired, he's not even ranked no more. Yeah, and he goes straight in and faces the world title fight. Yeah, it just goes to show you it's just becoming a fucking shit show to be honest and I don't really agree with it?
Speaker 1:I don't it's. It's one of them. Things like that's why, if that's what you want to achieve out of boxing, it's like I had Sean Casey on here the other day and he's a big, massive social media following and I would encourage kids. Nah, that's the way it's gonna go. It's the bigger following you have, the more pull you're gonna have, and getting opportunities, and that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:It's like them Fucking YouTubers Just big, massive followers, the tickets, ticket sales, fucking on pay-per-views and then they turn pro and they're fucking shit. You know, jake Paul.
Speaker 1:WBC says, if he beats Mike Tyson, mike Tyson's 60 nearly I was all fucking if he beats Mike Tyson, we're gonna put him in the top 50 in the WBC rankings. He's fucking useless.
Speaker 2:I was all fucking. I think I was still set up.
Speaker 1:Like you can see Mike Tyson pulling punches and all he threw away four punches and then he was racked after pulling them like it's fucking like crap.
Speaker 2:But you know yourself, like, like is it obviously from fighting and stuff and all, and this is why I went back to was that like it's like it's so good fear, it's so good for you as a person because you're so strict and you're so disciplined. You know your own personal life and then you know what I love about fighting for me. In regards to the whole situation, my room was that, like you know, all she did was fucking fake makes a nice where, like, all she did was she just Like I swear, like all she did was she just like. Every time she had a fucking problem, she just fucking smiled, like she was.
Speaker 2:She went in for this operation. One of the operations was like it was called a dips procedure and she made history with the NHS because she was the first child under the age of one to complete this surgery and she went in and she'd done it and she came back out and she was in ICU and stuff and like she was all swollen up and whatever it was and all and all the tubes and all, and then just coming, it's the first thing, she just woke up, she smiled. So see, every time, like now when I'm going through my life and all and boxing or whatever it is like, I just always think about her that was fighting to live you know, and that's why I love.
Speaker 2:But I went back. I said to myself, to the girlfriend, I'm gonna go back to the fight, because I'd walked away from it, because I'd, as you were saying, there was so much shit happened when I was fighting. There was mismatches, like my first fight was against a guy that had like fucking, like seven fights. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, my second fight was against that guy that had done five years. You know what I mean, and I was just getting so pissed off. I was getting told I was getting title fights that were getting cancelled fucking bullshit story. That he was this fucking muay thai champion, and all this here shit. Right, he won the king's belt, did he fuck? He came home, made this in my club city. I have my face and all this here fucking other shit didn't do a fucking thing training us how to do armbars wrong, and we were all learning how to do armbars wrong, and then we were going in the ring and getting fucking tapped out and I was like how the fuck?
Speaker 2:like you know, it's like you're getting this guy training you how you made, it's never even fucking done it's fucking like. But we were all young, you know, and just believed the bullshit story and then, um, we all grew up and just kind of caught on, I'm like right hang on and then that's when I made my move.
Speaker 2:Then I moved off and then started training my like um guys in balmy, like reese mckean stuff, yeah, all the pros, rodney, rodney and all that they're like and stuff and all moved on um, but like again, from the fighting perspective, it's like you know yourself. It's just the whole lifestyle.
Speaker 2:It keeps you bad behaviour and keeps you disciplined and it's a challenge you have a personal challenge and I said to myself that I watched that wee girl challenge herself to live and fight to live. So I said to myself I'm going to give myself a challenge and my challenge was to go back down to boxing and do a wee bit of fighting and try and right my wrongs in a way.
Speaker 1:I have a friend, martin McCulloch. He lost his wheel out as well. He was only 13. He was knocked down and killed as well.
Speaker 2:Has he seen the Berne Scully? I seen that one. He was on just a few weeks before me.
Speaker 1:He's a terrible friend. We grew up in our old house, gary, like a fucking family friend, like his real dad, was close to us and very, very close to us, martin, but he, that's what he done. Boxing just went straight to boxing. He was down. He was up with Dave Welch training every other day and training twice, three times a day. He was getting up walking into a graveyard in the mornings with dogs back up training him a day back down training him that was his life.
Speaker 2:Because, see the thing is as well, as I was saying to you, the journey that I went on after I lost my wee girl was use your thoughts and your thoughts were probably in the way of Martin thinking about the wee lad and stuff and all, and he's thinking about him. But then when you're doing something and focusing on something, like see the way me and you are talking right now we're in this conversation. That's right now me and you are right in the now in life.
Speaker 2:So you're distracted, you're not thinking. Same way, if you're doing boxing, you're doing boxing, you're not thinking. So it's your escape.
Speaker 1:You know that way, like doing sports, your escape people. That's your negative, like reaction to something negative that happened to you, but you have a positive reaction to anything. Yeah, that's put you down, you're gonna there's gonna be a positive outcome and it's gonna be a better mindset. Better like you're gonna help other people. Like if something negative happens and you say even just something so stupid like I was saying, like, let's say, you're fucking sacked from work and you went, like you went home and you were livid and you went a long run, you come back feeling happy. If you go and have a pint, you're gonna sit and dwell over a pint all night and fucking sit and slather with your boss and fuck out, please and shit you on.
Speaker 1:You're just gonna be negative, your attitude's gonna be negative, everything's gonna be negative as well. But if you go, once you come back from a run, you may talk negative throughout that run like fuck him, but you'll get out of your system. Bad you, when you come back, get shored and get something to eat. You're just cool. I feel far better after that. Fuck him, I'll get, I'm gonna do this. Or you'll think of what to do next. On the run You'll go like you'll obviously maybe fucking give off a bit here or there, no-transcript and all the rest of it, but you go. But I can give him a shirt and he'll get me to a world. I'll give us a shirt and maybe I'll just do this and run down and grab a chainsaw.
Speaker 2:I'll get you back. It's always a positive.
Speaker 1:There's always something positive if you do, if you have a positive reaction to something negative happening, there'll always be a positive coming in.
Speaker 2:Exactly that's exactly what I try to teach people like. So my, my worst thing in my life was like it's a really, really traumatic story I'm not going to like, but like I like I held my way, girls passed away, but the best thing for me now is that will never. I'll never, ever, ever in my life ever face anything as bad as that, like do you know? That's that's the thing that I always try. The way you're saying that positive, there's always an equal balance. It's just how you look at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the mindset, like I was saying about marty mccluck he, he went and they've gone place.
Speaker 1:For a long time he was depressed. He was fucking on the drink and he was, he was taking drugs and and he told like fuck me, it was a few times we had to go down and check on him and he was just fucking in a bad place. And then he discovered over time he had a fucking like. He had a long road to try and get himself into where he is now. See, now when I see him, I have no worries about him, no more. I just feel like he's settled and he's just living. He's dealing with it very well. He's got the right strategy for what works for him and I had a go at him. But it's all positive, it's no drink he doesn't drink, no more.
Speaker 1:Doesn't take drugs no more doesn't he just he trains, he walks the dogs. He just he keeps himself to himself, doesn't deal with, doesn't work with people, does his own thing and what works for him is working for him and and it's all positive. And then he, he does his wee walk and he talks and he gives, sends a message out there on Facebook and gives updates on how his day's going. But it's all positive.
Speaker 2:Everything he's talking is positive and and see like to see the way he's doing those wee things right there's people out there. That about fucking you know I ain't complaining about fucking, not getting a fucking shot this morning or something you know and like. People will look at him and think, fuck, he's been through so much and then by them looking at him, that gives them hope for what other problems they're going through you know that way like there's.
Speaker 2:It helps him going out and doing those wee talks and stuff yeah, of course, like everyone has a purpose.
Speaker 1:You need to have a purpose, I believe. What's the point? Like people go? Like if you lose someone, you may feel like you've no purpose, like you're a parent. My purpose in life was to be a parent. Yes, fucking for you to be a parent. But now I've got a new purpose helping other people, like being positive, showing people that, and if, like your daughter, would like being positive, showing people that, and and if, like your daughter, would not want to see you any other way than the way you are right now. Yeah, yeah, do you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean yeah yeah, like she, like I know she's only a baby but she'll be. She would be livid if it was anything else other than what you're and you wouldn't know. Like that's probably why she's like like smiling, like going, like he's gonna go off and have a.
Speaker 2:He's gonna live a good life and I'm happy for it, like he's he wouldn't know what way the world works.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, and I would hold on to wee bit of belief like that.
Speaker 2:If it was me in that situation, I would go like she knows oh yeah, saying about like you believe, if you're a wee one passed away with heaven and stuff and all, like I believe I believe that ruse ruse in heaven, like and god and stuff and all you know. And I would always like pray to rue and always say, like you know, like hope you're having a good time and all of course you know you're, you're doing well and things like that there and see as well, but as well, see, when I'm really struggling. I'll always say to her and I ask her for strength. I'll always say, give me your strength. You have, you know, like I'm gonna go and fucking spar this big fucking 140 kilo boy here in my club, give me your strength.
Speaker 2:You know, that way, that's what I think before I get into the ring. Or you know, like, um fucking, just my shit's going on.
Speaker 1:You know, just pray, pray to your lost ones, you know when you have a faith, you have a like to be with you there, even if it doesn't matter what anyone else says. You need to just believe it and feel, feed it, see. If you believe in it, fuck what everyone else says, it's just like. You know what you want and you know it's good for your mindset, it's good for you and that's what you believe in, that's what you hold your faith in and that's brilliant like it keeps you positive.
Speaker 1:Too much to fucking say online. Or it seems now because of so many social media platforms and so many fake accounts, people can just say and do what they want.
Speaker 2:But the main thing is, if you feel within yourself what you want to feel, middle finger up there- See, that's why I also I don't have social media because, like, I've got TikTok and Snapchat and stuff and all, but I don't use Facebook or Instagram because, like fucking fries my head, see people talking pure shit and all people like see, when you've got a fight coming up and someone writes a comment, right, and they're like I fucking that's an easy win for such and such. And the next thing you fucking see them in the street and they're like I know you do.
Speaker 1:I don't even engage with people because it's just people just take it right. So, like literal people, think like I was talking about aliens and you're like I was talking shit about aliens and there's people fucking going on as cunts.
Speaker 2:They've been punting those times they had it.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying there's aliens, I'm just saying some conspiracy theorist said it yeah and I was looking to see.
Speaker 2:What was that, the one about underwater and all I was looking to see what their reaction was do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:and people are like, yes, it's fucked in the head and all like people can't believe it. That's what you're talking about. I know, but it's only a topic, it's not. It doesn't mean to say, oh, it's fucking, that's true.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, I don't go back there anymore.
Speaker 1:There's no reason to go there anymore.
Speaker 2:They've moved all the protein bars oh fuck, oh sheik. So Where's Sean? Come on, move him down the back.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'm there, front of the hotel, right beside the hotel so we can see him.
Speaker 2:Oh fuck, I can't believe it when you said about the boy Commenting, saying or tagging PS now I was sitting thinking Fucking black PS, now Con on our burns.
Speaker 1:I know exactly people will be able to get you and like fucking touts, that's all they need to like tiktok, need to maybe verify accounts by like ID or something so that you can't make fake accounts because so much online bullying, like cyber bullying, kids in school fucking at their shows. Did you watch it? But it's based in Liverpool and the kid um Ad Lessons, ad Lessons. Oh, yes, yes, did you watch it? The?
Speaker 2:Netflix thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like that's true, shit, that's what happens and like that's only what we know of here in the UK. See, in America you know it's massive over and that's why I think they're trying to ban, like under 13 I think it's under 16, is it maybe from having from having social media, isn't it? I agree? Right, I fully agree with under 16 she'd be allowed to have social media. My child, my wee lad, won't be getting social media until he's at least 16 it's dodgy as fuck, like my.
Speaker 2:I have another big girl who's seven. You see, even Roblox. Roblox is fucking dangerous as fuck, like see, when you're I had this. I had this fella message my big girl one time and he was like said, there, do you want a hug? And I says, cassie, fucking, do not accept anyone you don't know. On Roblox, fucking, delete that. Fucking perverts or whatever it is can just get on to it and just you know, they can just pretend to be a wee character running around and message kids. No, it's a fucking nightmare no way see.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to do. My feet is like it's fucked up like. I'll be on the edge and I will get me up to high doolick.
Speaker 2:I'll be on the very looking blood fucking fell on Esther and he just says and get him blocked, the you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean. See, you don't know like we're saying social media, that's just a big game and okay access, like people have access to talk to these kids. Yeah, crazy, like I know, it's a scary world we live in now but see like um, see even what's up.
Speaker 2:What's up causes wars, like see our group chat and our lads, like we all just slower, like they are in our like training thing, it's just like just causes war, like you know. And that's the thing is a group group chat just cause fucking mayhem to you, like you know what's like message going on group chats, like yeah, it's like just people forward, like drama, you know.
Speaker 1:Like something's happened and then it just becomes like chinese whispers oh, did you hear about such and such? And it just gets added around. All group chats are always like if something happens in belfast, people just forward it on oh wow, and it was because in around all group chats that I was. If something happens in Belfast, people just forward it on oh wow, and it just goes in this group chat and in that group chat and in this group chat and it just becomes all fucking chaos. It's mad like I don't really know what it was, because I don't give a fuck about it, but I've seen all the stuff on TikTok last week saying about I didn't even get into it.
Speaker 1:I just see. But it just goes this way, Like, apparently he's like influencers. We're all in a WhatsApp group and they were talking about all other influencers and I was like see, this is just fucking. This is what's wrong with the world. Now, Right now, he gives a fuck. I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:We're all sitting there in life just talking, talking about some pure shit no one knows about like it just takes up too much people's time doesn't it talking about wee topics like that.
Speaker 1:It's just drama and it's so accessible now for people to just go. How did you hear about such and such half ten years in a tree? Fucks sake. People fucking creating rumours all over the place. I know fucking mental. So see, like your day to day now. What do you like?
Speaker 2:what do you do if you're day to day like, if you're like to keep yourself busy, keep yourself like, just keep yeah, so like now, like, uh, I gave up the drink there, like, so that was a big thing, like yeah, so we'll get out there like um, just trying to, the thing was like, see, like when everything was going on, maru, like you would have been drinking a bit, you know, and that's the same as your, your mate, like you know. But then eventually you kind of found out that just makes you worse, do you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean? Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:I was saying all this you know, like, even if you have like, say like, even if you have like one pint or two pints, you like I wake up, go to work, come home, go to boxing, and then every week I'll have a girl who's saying to you see her three, four nights a week and just spend as much time with her, and then I've got another one on the way.
Speaker 2:So congratulations, congratulations that's another thing I was trying to say was that, like, even though we've lost a wee child, you can still go on and have more's like you know and there's not this whole doom and gloom about.
Speaker 2:Like you know, I've had this child. I can't have anymore. You need to. You need to keep going on my life, like that's the main, main goal as well I try and set myself. It's just, you have to keep going. You can't keep living life, um. But like again, just going back to boxing now, I mean, it's just um, I try to get down as much training as I can. Haven't been there in a while, got that cut so I couldn't spar for four weeks so.
Speaker 2:I'm kind of getting back into sparring now, like so, looking forward to a Saturday here, like, but see when there's another thing as well, like see when you're like sparring and stuff, and all you were saying about like your mindset, like it's good as well, about how you're believing that you're not going to think about knocking them out. You're just, you know, you're just thinking about doing well on it.
Speaker 1:I just know what I'm going to do yeah I've done it that I've done it for my years of age, like I've done it against. I've seen every state I've ever like, any state you can imagine it's class against that. I've been in the ring. But so many different different states, different countries, different every, everything you name it.
Speaker 1:I've done it I just know now and my own, like my boxing IQ and my boxing ability, it's just like I know, like I don't believe you need to be the most physical, I just believe you need, like the most physical puncher, the biggest puncher. You just need to be switched on, create like 100% focus and good IQ on what you're doing and do it right focus and good IQ on what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's like I have full belief and in my boxing IQ and what I do, and like I have no doubt in my mind like I want a world title. Yeah, it's like I know how good I am and all I need is one opportunity. Yeah, I've got an opportunity and I'm fucking with Rob's thinking, but I'll go again.
Speaker 2:I'll go again. I'll go again.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, even if I get another three weeks notice you can't just keep fucking robbing people so clearly because it was such a big kick up. After I do think it'll come again and when it does it'll be sweeter. It'll be like near enough. It's meant to. That's meant to have happened. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:yeah that's another thing with the main set. Like I have people always tell me how the fuck do you still do it? Like after that, like yeah, it's disheartening, it's disheartening but it's just it's not where. It's obviously not where it's meant to be. Like what's for you won't pass you, what's for me will be, and that's where I'm at right now and that's why I'm sitting here now.
Speaker 2:You just keep believing, just keep going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing as well. If I thought I wasn't good enough, I would have stopped a long time ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean. That's the main thing is just believe, man. It's just always believing like no matter what, like you've got a fight coming up, was all about.
Speaker 1:It's just about what you think I know that's exactly like your man. Like ryan curtis was in here, I can't believe he's gonna walk again after being totally on the river. He believed it. He says I'll be on my feet and I think the doctors were probably going nuts. Yeah, he was mad enough to believe his own and he and he's.
Speaker 2:He's walking in, he's on his feet, remember like um mcgregor used to always talk about the secret, and I read that book as well, years ago when I was like 16, and I remember the story of a man that was, as part of that, their story. He was in the hospital, he was in an airplane crash and he was told he'd never be able to walk again and he you know how they use that blink chart do the blinker thing.
Speaker 2:He blinked out I'll walk out of here in one year's time. And he says that when he was laying in bed he just started saying wiggle your toes, wiggle your toes, wiggle your toes, wiggle your toes. And he kept doing it and doing it and the next thing he was lifting his hand and by the end of the year he walked out. But that was all through the power of his mind you know like you see him with his rams saying, like they, I read the Secret.
Speaker 1:When I lived in Glasgow, there was loads of like free time over like a long time. We trained twice a day and all days in between we done fuck all, just chilled out. So I used to read loads over all different books, but I read the Secret in like 2018 19. I used to read like wee notes there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that was the wee, the wee goals that I wanted.
Speaker 1:I just wanted just wee goals that I wanted in life, like I wanted to have my own house and I never. I started like when I finished the book. I used to visualize more boxing stuff because I was in Glasgow, I was out of training, so I trained every day and I was like always visualizing being able to become the world champion and trying to visualize like when I was on the treadmill or doing treadmill sessions like heavy sessions where I was fucked, just visualising that, like when the world title was bowled. But there was other goals I wrote down but never, always visualised them but, I ended up going back to Glasgow.
Speaker 1:When we were leaving Glasgow. I left my coach in 2021 maybe, and joined Pete Taylor, put all my stuff on Glasgow. So I went back at the time in 2018 when I was reading all this, I was single. Like I was just single, I was doing my own thing. I was over 11, I was happy enough, but like I always wanted to have kids you know I want to have kids, but at that time in my life I didn't want to have a bird running, I just wanted to have kids and and then I went back and lifted all my stuff and I found a book, a wee diary I had. I was looking, reading through it and in the book it says this was like 2020 or 21,. Late 2021, it was near 2022.
Speaker 1:And I looked at the book and I was like one wee. Gold wrote down it was like I'm going to come to World. Gold wrote down it was like come world champion, buy my own house, I want to have a chair, all this here stuff and everything I wrote down like bar, when the world title was all there, I had, within the space of like what? 2018 or 2021, two and a half years, I had a ring, without even realising it, because I forgot. I wrote all that stuff down about having. I had a child, I had a bird, I had a house and I was like fuck my ears, I can't remember even writing that down, but it's just something that I've always wanted, without knowing I wanted it and then I had it and I didn't even realise.
Speaker 2:This is like I have to realise this you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean it wasn't like, oh, look what I have now. I visualised this. It wasn't until I went back and realised, fuck me, it's just something I've always wanted in my life, but at that time I didn't want it, so I never really thought about it. Yeah, but it's because I've always wanted it as a kid. It's came now, yeah, yeah, yeah, know what I mean no, it's like a right now.
Speaker 2:You're sitting there thinking you don't want it, but then you're not thinking about it. But then, like subconsciously, you're sitting there thinking that's what I want, that's what I want and that's what they say. I remember when I was reading about that book they used to say all these other things was when you're going to bed at night. You're lying in bed, just think about you, know what you want or think, be thankful of things and all subconsciously go into your mind to help you become. You know, to go for that there, like to get to where you want to get to.
Speaker 2:You know, and I was reading about all that stuff as well and that was a whole big journey I went down recently again when everything happened maru was was again reading those types of books and, um, understanding, like I think for me personally as well, the best thing I learned was your thoughts and your and your actions. So, like you've a nervous, you have an anxious thought, but it's not really going to happen. 80% of your worries don't happen, you know, and learning about understanding that and like knowing that every action has a reaction, sorry, every thought has a reaction. So when you're reacting to that, I thought you were the part of thinking about what's going to happen in that way, and that was a whole big journey.
Speaker 1:I learned too visualize you're going to win the prize guy, no, the prize guy I'm visualizing. It doesn't work like that you're only out there to draw a half mile going.
Speaker 2:It's on the night. You can't. There's not enough hours in this fucking day for you to visualize.
Speaker 1:You don't just visualize doing stuff.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, it doesn't work like that. In our gym people come in and go. It's a million this Sunday. I ain't no, I keep. You're fucking hesitant, you're winning football.
Speaker 2:I can tell you now you're winning jack shit come Monday morning, you're still going to be skinned. Fuck's sake he's doing good that way, but isn't he? He's like sponsoring yourself and he sponsors. I think he sponsors race sponsors.
Speaker 1:Rhys as well. He's brilliant, he's class he sponsored PFL sponsors. Pfl sponsors. Matchroom sponsors. Frank Warren sponsors all the big shows he's done well there's a charity event this week, next Saturday, against the Premier League Legends. We're all playing. It's Tea With Me, shane Tull's podcast, him and his guests are playing against the Premier League Legends, like Yap Stam and fucking all he can do.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, and Pat and all him, and so that'd be a bit of a crack. And that's for Tom V, like for a charity event and mental health charity, and he's sponsoring that as well, paul. So he's he's doing great work. It's he's going to give him back in the area because realistically, when you think about it, it's the area that supports him because they're essentially what they're doing is banning tickets. It's all people from, like, working class areas banning his tickets, yeah, to try and win, maybe to better their lives financially. So he's giving back into the community. You know what I mean? It's good the way they have it. I think it's class. Yeah, if you had fucking more people like him in the world, it'd like yeah, fucking the place be a better, better place it said about.
Speaker 2:It said about like sponsoring charities and stuff and all like when we were, when we were going through our problems at Roo, we ended up doing a GoFundMe and stuff and we I asked for like five grand at a time just because when the mother was over with Roo, like she, she did six step away from her job so she had no income, so like I had done this cool for me and um, we ended up actually raising like 12 grand or something to help the on at the time and and that helped help with the funeral and stuff and if you know costs and things like that.
Speaker 2:But I remember I had emailed your mom but he never got back to me.
Speaker 1:He mustn't have never got the email but I'm pretty sure if he got, he probably would help out like you know he's genuine, like he is, he's very genuine, he's very helpful. But I think, like people take liberties do you know what I mean? People be like, people be taxing, going like can you give me 50 quid for a letter? I can't just give you 50 pound for a letter you have no money like everyone.
Speaker 1:Everyone has money for a letter, like essentials. Like, even if you don't work, everyone has money for electric. Like it's senseless, like, even if you don't work and you have a fucking, you don't pay for your house, you still get funds. You still get fucking government funds, yeah, so surely I can cover your electric and your food. So people like that, I believe personally, the people that say I have no money for electric, my kids are starving, you get paid. You get money for electric. My kids are starving, you get paid. You get money for your kids. You, I just believe people, they gotta have bad habits. Yeah, whether it be drugs, gambling, like it's a bad. They're spending the money elsewhere on non-essential stuff tell me, that's where the haircuts exactly.
Speaker 1:So if they like. So people like that, like some people would mess them. Like go and give us a ladrick or a family fitty for a food voucher, like do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, Just live a good life and you'll not have to ask for fuck all I know, mate Like, prioritize where your money goes If your kid's starving money or buy fakes, go off cigarettes I think 20 pound for bucks fakes.
Speaker 2:I know like I think that's that process. But it's like it's as you're saying, it's bad habits. Like it's like people just like you know they'll just spend all their money on something stupid, like going on the weekend and being skint and being depressed. It's like will you fucking went and spent your money down in the bar.
Speaker 1:I don't understand. I do. I really understand people. If people are watching this, go like fuck. Like it's easier, fucking said and done. There's help everywhere. Yeah, like what's stopping me from going to get help? Like what is have you like what has stopped me from going to get help? Like it's no way. Like you need to set an example for your fucking kids. And yeah, they're going to near enough to do the same like they're. They're going to see you don't think it's normal and it's just going to snowball and they're like their lives. And then it's someone somewhere needs to stop and go. Right, I need to fucking that business. I'm going to go and get help, yeah, because I'm only getting ax amount every week and I'm spending it and drinking fakes and my kids fucking struggling and I have to borrow money off my man.
Speaker 1:I have to borrow money off my man. I have to borrow money. Just stop fucking buying cigarettes. Alright, you can be addicted to cigarettes, but you can also. There's ways to go off them. There's a process that can get you off cigarettes. It's fucking 20 pound for 20 figs.
Speaker 2:I know, and again, just like anyone talked about in the past, it's just like all your thoughts, it's just the way you act it's just the way you your thought comes in. Oh fuck, I get a pack of the fags here and then you act on it, or else you can just say, nah, I'm all right, I don't want that you know, it's just a game is what you think it's exactly, it's a process, it's a thought process and, yeah, it's just getting that.
Speaker 1:it's just getting that right, because if you people just want to live comfortably doing what they've always done, it's very hard for people to step out of their comfort zone when they don't do it too often. And, like fuck me, it's a nerve-wracking experience to step out of your comfort zone. Oh, 100%, but like we have our own. I have my own gym, see, trying to get people to come in through the doors.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, like, when you're talking to people on the phone like sales calls or whatever, they're shaking themselves when is your gym and where is your gym? And I take I haven't trained in like three years. I'm like it's alright, every like that's why you're on the phone, for, yeah, you're on the phone to change that. Let's get it done, let's come in. And then the amount of times people have signed up, paid and never showed up, and I'm like.
Speaker 1:I can't do that and I'm like come on the fuck, yeah on the fuck. It's so nerve wracking, stepping out of your comfort zone. But the amount of people that we have who in our gym now that have done that are just completely different people. Yeah, like they're fucking half of them. We had a fella come in and he he was literally taking a panic attack in our office. We were doing a consultation with him and he got him to settle down again. He's like I can't do this, I can't do this. See, now, he's been around three years. He's fucking run the show. When he first came in, he was like overweight, he was like never trained before in his life and he was just a rack of nerves, fucking. Never seen anything like it.
Speaker 2:See, now, fuck's sake, he's run the place and I would say at his class, like as again, as I said, head on, he's met his fear head on and then he's went fuck, alright, okay, and he's grew past it. You know what I? Mean yeah, again, like I was saying, it's like your thoughts are just fucking eating at you and scaring you, but then when you just fucking face them like they're not even that scary, they're not that big of a problem people go I'd love to join the gym.
Speaker 1:People say happening yep, do you know what I mean? Like, if it's something you'd love to like, you're saying I'd love to join a gym, I'd love to imagine, loving to imagine. That's like me saying I'd love to go on holiday, I'd just go on holiday. Yeah, like, if you have the money, go, go and do it. You have two limbs, you've, you've. You've two legs, you've two arms, you've a functioning brain, you can walk, you can go to the gym. Because there's people that don't have any of it, that would fucking give an arm and leg to go to the gym. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, so, when you have like, as I say I actually read something this morning like there's people who have like, if you're able to, like you have mobility to move, you've got, you can function fully and you don't train or you don't exercise, it's like it's a shame because there's people out there who can't do that who can't do it.
Speaker 2:I mean exactly just like you said. So like biggest thing as well was that, like when she passed away, it was like she fought so much to fucking live, and there's people out there that are just wasting their lives like you know, and like the amount of people that I hear just sitting about doing fuck all and I'm just sometimes it frustrates me because I sit and think to myself you know like I look at her, like she. Just every time she met a fucking problem, she just kept wanting to fight, kept beating the problem kept beating.
Speaker 2:I kept beating, actually like four surgeries. One of them was a major and she beat them all and all she was smiling, kept fighting. And that attitude as well is what brings me now like I just always, any opportunity I get, I'll go for it. You know, I'll go for that fucking fight it comes up, or I'll go to liverpool for the weekend with lads or whatever it is, or you know, anything comes up my life and just like, go for it, go for it, go for it. People don't understand how lucky sometimes they look at their lives now and they're sitting there and they're not doing all the things that they can do and they're not participating in things that they can do. You know, and like you've only got one fucking life, like you need to fucking go for it.
Speaker 1:Short lived, like people realize how cool they get. Even now I'm fucking believe I'm even looking after someone. Like I have a child four years old. I can't even look after myself. Yeah, and you hear that often, that's because life's just getting away from me, like it's life's like you're growing and you're getting older and you're like, fuck me, my next major birthday will be I'll be 40. I remember going and I feel like it wasn't that long ago. Like going what, like 40?
Speaker 2:some of my mates are 40. Yeah, I ain't going.
Speaker 1:What is going?
Speaker 2:on 40. I ain't near 10. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:it just it happens before you know it, you've missed all these opportunities. I've missed loads of like. I've sacrificed holidays. I'm actually I paid for my mates to die again on July, or, sorry, I paid for my mate's diet here in July. Sorry, june, we're the 14th of June and I'm fitting in the 26th of June, so I can't go.
Speaker 1:I already paid the money for my hotel. I paid the money for my freight. I can't go. That's a sacrifice I made at boxing. But I would rather give my life to that experience than going away, because I've done it numerous times anyway. But if you're in a position to go and do things, do it. Just go and do it. I'm in a position to achieve my goals, I'm gonna go and do it. Yeah, do you know what I mean? And if people like people worry too much about finances and all just look at the bills and fucking spend all around you, I know, enjoy yourself, live your life because it fucking flies by.
Speaker 2:I know, and I'm older than you, I'm 33 aye, there you go, fuck me fuck sakes flying by.
Speaker 1:I'm 34 here in general and life will only be getting started again because you'll be a wee newborn coming soon and doing it all over again.
Speaker 2:I'm dreading it loving it exciting, but my mate even turned around to me. He's actually a coach of our gym. Fuck me imagine having kids at your age and all like and I said like fuck up.
Speaker 1:I want to have more. I'm gonna have. No, I want to have two more. Yeah, I'm 32. For that time I have more kids up, at least 33, like since 33 in august there, and we'll see that when you be on 40 flies through me and see I think seeing you watch our kids grow up like just flies.
Speaker 2:You see, your wee girl, my wee girl's turning 80 in august and I'm like holy fuck yeah, I remember when it was fucking COVID and you were running around at two years old.
Speaker 1:I know, you know my nephew's 18. I'd drink and all and go for a pint and I'd go fuck. Yeah, I remember when I was 18 I had a good head and I'd go. He looks like a child to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when I was 18 I thought I was egging on the turn and I, I feel 20 now I feel I remember being like 16, 17, going like in school, leaving school, going hang on a bathhouse when I'm 23 and I'll aye, fuck, 23, fucks. Yeah, I was still. I was still napping when I was 23 my mouth was still cleaning my hole my man.
Speaker 2:Oh, fuck me. I just remember me. See that there fucks. Yeah, that was when you done that short with your man Bartlett, with the fucking shave, oh my god. I watched that three times back to back and I was crying like fuck and see what I felt I couldn't even speak. I couldn't even speak.
Speaker 1:I just kept laughing the whole episode but you know the way you get like comedians that like you can just kind of fail or make that up you know that way like, but you could tell he was fucking being serious he was crying, he was saying his mouth was going to show but see, fucking see, the way he was talking about Padre Pio.
Speaker 2:I think it was. Someone said patron saint of shit, or whatever it was fucking my granny, right, she was proper, proper, proper, devoted catholic like I mean, like rosary beads every day and she used to always pray to Padraig Peele, you know, and she used to fucking always, always pray to him. And she was like lying in bed one night and she said she had this vision one time of Padraig Peele at the end of her bed, right.
Speaker 1:And I used to.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's Ricky Bartlett, oh I used to always wind her up right and say, oh, paddy's trying to get in the bed with you and I'm like fuck. And then he used to wear the brown gloves and all. I used to always say he wears those gloves so he doesn't get caught and all, and I'm like fuck and then see when that was and then see when that happened.
Speaker 1:That's that fucking part of me. That's a house breaker.
Speaker 2:And then see when he came on like Pat Dupu and he was talking about the fucking shake and all Fucking hell, I was just ditched. I actually fucking He'd be one of my more favourite ones that are around the country like he's funny as fuck.
Speaker 1:I actually haven't seen him live yet. I don't think, nah, I haven't. I'll need to get tickets for one of his V Live shows. I've seen Shane Todd and Willie Thompson and that was all on the.
Speaker 2:They were like they were not funding their card, as you would say as a as a yeah but I mean, they were, they were support acts for the, for the main regime was the main man, andre ryan as well, was very funny. I used to actually actually talk to andrew around quite a lot, so I did. I used to do a door.
Speaker 1:I've done door actually I've met the city, I'd done the door and all these one night I put patty barnes out.
Speaker 2:This is years ago, 2018. Paddy came in, he was absolutely blocked and we just started our shifts. We put him out, but he knew the fucking head doorman. Ray Ray was a professional boxer as well I think he was a heavyweight actually and he let Paddy back in. And then, next thing fucking Paddy, I gave you a chance. Paddy's phone, paddy's phone, yeah, but who else was I saying there, like Andrew Ryan, andrew Ryan used to do the Tuesday nights at the Empire yeah comedy nights and he used to talk away to me and stuff and all, and he gave me a bit of advice as well.
Speaker 2:Which was pretty interesting was that he said that he used to work, I think, in like as a bank or something. And he was talking to me and he says, um, he says you can do anything before the age of 35. He says you can do absolutely anything for the age of 35. And then he changed his whole life and started doing comedy and then he was one of your guests on this as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's, he's flying out there now yeah his best man, I think, actually was jerry watch. Um jerry watch, uh, young offenders oh yeah, remember your guy that had the mask. Yeah, that's his best mate the actor.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah, yeah, but he, I agree with him. Like you can, my, I'm trying to get my my bird to like do something else of her life. She works in TV TV region, but it's mad hours, it's mad like pressure job. She sings as well and I'm just trying to. I'm saying that you should think. But if I want the union on this move life, I think we're not happy. You know, you just feel like under pressure, like with a ring you're singing. Let me pick one of them. But like you can do whatever you want if you just put enough effort and time into something. Did you believe you would do that like people?
Speaker 1:have obviously spoke down to you and says you could be a comedian, you're funny in person. People have said it to me, but I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't even dare do it because my language there's a language barrier between normal people and Belfast I wouldn't anyone else I'd say to Belfast my accent's just far too strong to do anything.
Speaker 1:Again, I say stuff too fast when I get excited, yeah, and then people are like what? That's what I mean. But Andre Ryan, people have obviously said to him, even if he's working at a bank I don't know what he was doing before, but he's probably been working at a bank and people went fuck you, you should do comedy, you're a funny bastard, because he is funny, naturally because I remember he says to me that he done his.
Speaker 2:He had like six months from the get out of his five minute skit. You know you do like a five minute thing and he says he fucking failed. He says he failed miserably at it and he was like fuck, I'm not doing it again. But then he just didn't give up.
Speaker 2:Now looking, you know, and again, like like remember, michael Jordan says, you know, like he fucking done that, shot a hundred times and he failed and he failed, and he failed, and he failed and he failed, but then he just eventually it just switched. And that's the same in life. Like again, it's just like you just don't give up. Like see my girlfriend there she's now, she owns her own business. Now she's a hairdresser RV studio Look it up. Hairdressers for a while and she loved her job, but she just hated the place, you know, and she just um, just hairdressers are bitches. They all fucking bitch. Like fuck they all, just all fucking coffee sometimes start backstabbing and then, um, she was just like.
Speaker 2:She's like, I fucking hate this place, I want to get my own place. And I says, right, let's do it, she's boom straight away opened up her own business.
Speaker 1:She's loving it now, like she's named it after the wee girl as well.
Speaker 2:So it's RV studio means Rue Violet studio so she named it after the. She's doing well so because I at one stage had thought to myself about doing them competition pages, you know, and I was going to call RV competitions and then she fucking stole my RV studio is it you wee bitch, then first, that's what? Yeah, no, she's doing well, she's loving life now and she was saying your wife and stuff and all like if they really want to, they can just don't change it it's people are.
Speaker 1:It's that fear of exactly again.
Speaker 2:It's that fear of stepping into your comfort zone and like what can happen, what can happen, what can happen listen, she's the best, she's the best advice I ever got.
Speaker 1:My dad always says to me listen, you'll never starve. You'll never starve. You have a family, you have me, you have your like. No matter what happens, you'll never starve and I go fuck right enough and I say that now, sorry, you'll not starve.
Speaker 1:You'll never fuck with money. You'll never. I don't write, genuinely don't care about money, but I'm good with it, but I don't like it, doesn't? It's not my goal to be. I want to be as one of us. If it comes how it is, I'll I'll never go on my blowouts, spending big money like I've ever get it. I'll still live within my means, but it doesn't, it's not, it's not a goal of mine to be like rich, it's just it's nice to have if you haven't been going holidays and do this and do that. But as the old saying goes, like it's my time says you'll never starve. And I said, like I said everything, take time, just leave your job and do this and do that. And she's like nah, but like I do like it.
Speaker 1:No, I was just feeling the pressure with singing and trying to get this in and she's doing so much. She's actually on a travel page as well. She's just doing a travel page. She's singing fucking about four or five days a week and then she's working full-time for a tv producer, like as a tv producer. So she is flat out. But I'm saying something has to give. Yeah, something has to give. And yeah, wherever you're feeling the most pressure, take it out. That's what I think like. Wherever the most pressure job is, take it out and we'll figure the rest out. Whatever it may be, yeah it's like again.
Speaker 2:I think as long as you're still breathing, you've still got a chance. Do you know what I mean? Like no matter what you know, if you're breathing, it's in your hands, everything's in your hands it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just up to you to make it just gross out of balls and do it Mm-hmm, so, like that's my advice to anyone who beat you. But what's the worst that could happen? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, what is the very worst that's gonna happen? You'll fail. So fuck, I know it doesn't mean you like a lot of fails, whatever fails like, and you lose ultimately. So fuck, you just do something else, do something else, do something else till you maybe you make do you know what I mean? You make it a park. Yeah, everything's, everything's a gamble if you're gonna do something like that everything's always gonna be a gamble.
Speaker 1:But if you fucking if you give me an example, if you're telling yourself whatever fail, whatever fail, you're probably gonna fail.
Speaker 2:If you're thinking about the worst.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be the worst, yeah, I worst.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just have to believe you're gonna do well it works exactly.
Speaker 2:Believe it's gonna be really like and I always I think I always as, again, that's the message I try to tell people is just keep believing that, no matter what you go through, you're gonna be all right, like yeah yeah, um, but no, like, um, even suppose, like when you were, when you were boxing and stuff and all, you probably would always have that type of mindset where it's always kind of like you know, I need to believe I'm going to do this, believe I'm going to do that. I'm going to believe that because, like, even when I was talking with Maurice and stuff when we were younger, before he made it into the UFC, he was always, you know, when he got into it.
Speaker 1:You know, and then, like it just has to be, that believing thought, like yeah, it's just that's. It's just, you don't have to just know. It's like anything I've ever done. I've like I've no, like I knew I was gonna do it. I mean like I'll do that. I know I want to do it. Yeah, I've already actually said like I've said I know, like we're getting the house sorted and I tell them I was gonna fair here. It's like, how do you know me? I'll have a show. I'll be showing belfast by an example. I'll fight on that and I'll get me some such. So I'll get the house down this, I'll get this down right. I'll get the attic inverted. I'll get like it's like like what, how do you know? I was like, because I know I'll fight. Natural, I haven't even shown you, but it's no, there's only a show in belfast.
Speaker 1:Oh and Belfast. I know I'll fight by the end of the year somewhere. I know I'll win and then they'll get me another fight. I know I'll win that and it's just. That's the way I've always asked. And then, even after I fight, like I knew loads of fights had fell through, big fights.
Speaker 1:But I've known that I plan stuff going like sure will the DS because I'll figure it. And she's like here's my fate and I think I know what I will. She's like how do you know? I'm not judging you, I know I'll just fucking, I'll push the fate and it's working out that way it's actually it's working out that way, and even better than what I thought, so I just know.
Speaker 1:That's why I don't panic. It's like I know, because if I have to go and make it happen, I'll go and make it happen. You know what I mean. If I have to go and wrap some door and say you may fake me, fuck, I'll do it, you know what I mean, Because you know what's going to happen you fucking go here now. That's the way, and I just have that belief and it's in my hands. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:I know, but that is a good thing as well. Do you ever hear that wee quote saying when everyone around you doubts you, as long as you believe in yourself, no one can doubt you? You know what I mean? Because as long as you just believe you're going to be alright or you're going to do whatever you're going to do, you're going to figure it out.
Speaker 2:And like I came back after seven years out and had two fights, two absolute shambles. First fight your guy was seven kilos heavier. I had to fucking step up the heavyweight last minute. They get 13, 13 days notice and he was a good Irish MMA veteran like he fucking good, fast hands and then he ended up getting sick in the week of the fight. I ended up fucking just getting there, couldn't pull out.
Speaker 2:And then the second notice against your man there in hybrid over in england and, like my coach is frustrated at the minute, he's like you're going in the spawn, you're fucking doing this and you're doing that and you're fucking so good in sparring and all this here and then, like next thing you're going to fight, just like. But I know myself, I know the background stories, I know I'm going to be okay. I know when I go back to my next fight. I'm gonna be fine, yeah, but like there are people around you, like you know, if they doubt you it doesn't matter, just as long as you fucking keep believing and you'll sort it out like you'll figure out a way of doing it.
Speaker 2:You could have a hundred fights and have a hundred losses, it doesn't matter, you fucking figure it out you just keep learning 100%.
Speaker 1:That's exactly it, you know. Just never give up and let your side of the disease on me. Yeah, yeah. I don't give a fuck about losing. Save it for the majority.
Speaker 2:Hang on, I'll keep going because for me now it's like a lifestyle, because I remember talking to a fella for sparring one day and I said to him, and he said exactly the same as you. He says I don't care about losing. He says. He says boxing helps me with my life. It keeps me away from the things I don't want to do, you know, it keeps me away from that.
Speaker 2:It's a lifestyle that makes me better and then I thought I thought, fuck, you know what. He's right and he's had a few losses, like you know, but he's just fucking does it as his lifestyle.
Speaker 1:It keeps him straight and narrow Because you shut the fuckers off, because you've got a fucking. I'd be fucking sitting there at 60 in the summer video.
Speaker 2:Your old man that's fucking sporn a boy. The boy had like a ponytail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had to go for a piss, you know anyway, she sometimes you can see like people's body language and they're like I've done it before now I I drank loads of water and I went up a road and then rang me about a water and I just forgot myself and I was like off halfway through it. I was like folded in half, had to grind it out.
Speaker 2:I remember saying I was saying to what's your name sorry again, mate, ryan, ryan, I was saying to Ryan last time I was doing that there podcast. I fucking was drinking the night before, right, and then on the edge you know the next day when you go in. Sometimes when I drink, I piss like fuck.
Speaker 2:Next day because alcohol is dehydrating you. So I was sitting there and they offered me a cup of coffee and then they offered me a bottle of water and I was like, fuck, I need fucking this. Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, get that fucking part of your ear like and then another thing as well was see my mouth. My mouth was like did you ever see that?
Speaker 1:film me myself and Irene when he fuck and he takes the tablets. My mouth was like dry as fuck. Oh fuck, or something's bought it. You're a sick mother and you be nagged as well. I can't even think about it. I feel like I've been here A few times, hungover and going oh fuck, what am I doing?
Speaker 2:My mind's blank as fuck. You're like oh fuck, that's me off a gargle now.
Speaker 1:But so Fight camp now. Get this fake, get on the straight and narrow. And that's me Training like fuck. When did you start to camp Started now.
Speaker 2:Very good.
Speaker 1:I'll go to to him spar over, do a couple of spars and then I'm back and then stay here for the fight.
Speaker 2:Maybe and are you thinking about fighting in the SSC later in the year then, or what?
Speaker 1:well, they're talking about Kikachi coming back here for a big fight, so maybe go on that and then. But I've got a. I'm in the middle now of negotiating negotiating a deal with another promoter. So, depending on what happens there, I'll probably just stick to the plan they give me because it's guaranteed, safe fight, guaranteed. You know what I mean. So that'll keep me right for the next safe fight and that means I win the next thing.
Speaker 2:I'm right back in the mix again, class mate happy class for you and we'll go to the SSE and watch you. Sure, if we get that chance 100% I'll wave at you again in the SSE. Try and see if you can see me. I'll wave at you again, like that squealing big, big poster.
Speaker 1:I know so what's the plans now?
Speaker 2:rest of the day just going to get home here, see the missus call into the shop and just get my wee girl again later on casting, spend some time with her and then just go train the night and tell the lads. I was slamming with them on the podcast and say, fucking big heads, is there anything?
Speaker 1:before we leave, is it just? I know you've sent out plenty of positive messages, but is there anything you would like to just like finish off with, like anything you would like to tell people or just people that are struggling, maybe, because obviously you've got a really good mindset and and you deal with like the way you deal with what's happening is phenomenal and yeah, it's like even for people like me it's like inspiring. You know what I mean, because it's I. I couldn't even think of something like that beyond my wireless dreams happening to me, and I know like a lot of people would say the same day, but I love how you've dealt with and how you deal with it on a day-to-day basis and and your outlook in life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, like, as you were saying there, like you don't know, like you know, like how you deal with it, you know that way. And again, that's the message that I try to get out. It's just that, like you don't know, but you have to your life, no matter fucking how bad it is, your worries or whatever it is, you're thinking about it. You're sitting there thinking about it, but when it comes to it, that's when you'll figure it out, and you can't sit there and say, well, I'll do this, I'll do that, I'll do this, I'll do that. It just happens, naturally. You know, and then you're like, but you have to have that belief that you'll get over it.
Speaker 2:Like I remember when we were driving home one night and I remember, like I it was when we got told it was like three weeks before she passed away. And I say you were told, right, this is coming to the end. Now you know she's, she's gonna pass away. And I remember thinking to myself right, I've always been like, what am I gonna do when I get here? But I have the belief now that when I get here, I'm gonna be okay. And that's the thing that everyone needs to understand. Is that, no matter fucking how bad it is or whatever situation you're going through. You're losing your job, you've lost your mum, you've lost your dad, whatever it is. You've lost your child. Your fucking tax man's getting you. Whatever it is you're going through, you just have to believe. You're going to be okay. If you have to go spend seven years in jail, you're fucking going to be okay, like it's just no matter what. Just keep believing. And that's my mindset, that I try to teach people.