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The Public Nuisance Podcast #035 “On The Tools” with Marc Watters
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week, we welcome Business Owner, Marc Watters, to the podcast.
We cover Construction industry, Marc starting his own business, Boxing, Kids these days, Mindset, Marc’s wife overcoming cancer, Marc doing the house work and much more.
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The Public Nuisance. Sean McCann, welcome to this episode of the Public Nuisance Podcast, brought to you from Killin Studios, right here, where you can get all your content done photo shoots, video editing, podcast tailored for you you name it, we have it. Let's not forget that praise guy messing it every week, seeing him old, helping businesses out, supporting charities, turning people into millionaires daily. What a man doing great work with us. Today we have our very own from West Belfast, mark Waters. How are you, mate? All good, showing yourself all good, brilliant. Thanks for coming in, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me on excited about it.
Speaker 1:It's the first podcast for you.
Speaker 2:Yes, podcast version, so hopefully first of many.
Speaker 1:Are you nervous at all? Any nerves?
Speaker 2:When I say nervous, I was excited, you know. You know when you don't know what to expect. But I've got used to a wee bit of more public speaking and stuff. Recently had my first live event there on Tuesday night past with my clients and stuff. So I'm getting used to it but more used to it. But that was. It's completely all new to me.
Speaker 1:Obviously.
Speaker 2:I'd never even been even doing the content stuff, never shot a video before Christmas. Seriously, it's only this last six months Because I've seen it.
Speaker 1:I've. Obviously I was on Instagram and stuff. I through your Instagram and stuff and going like you speak very well and you wouldn't think so and I'm going.
Speaker 2:I wonder if it's a case of running in one time, like you have to do about 100 takes. It's like, oh, fuck you, and then you start again and you go.
Speaker 1:Oh fun, see if I'm recording myself. I do that a minute. And then I'm like, and then I realise, oh, shocker, just do the three things.
Speaker 2:That's what I was talking about there with the gators. So, just like it's just reps, everything's just reps. But, like at the start, obviously I've had a bit of guidance. I'm in mentorship myself. I've always have been Done a lot of self-development stuff for a long time, from about 2018. But this is the first time I'd ever launched anything that I had to put myself out there. It's my program, it's all me where before? Yes, I've multiple businesses there, but none of them involve me getting in front of the camera putting my head above the power pit.
Speaker 2:So I think I actually done the first video about a market myself in about october and, yeah, must have spent about two hours on a 60 minute 60 second clip yeah, and then editing and doing the captions and then, yeah, you find your feet, you know, and you take advice from people who are doing it yeah, as you do, you know, and again the coaching aspect of things. Obviously, I am a coach now, but the quickest way to learn to do these things is ask somebody and go on their mentorship or coaching from somebody who's doing it and knows what they're at. Yeah, and just take, take the lead and your main thing.
Speaker 1:So for anyone who doesn't know, it's it's construction, it's business construction. You're coaching within business construction that's right so you did, you were, you did you work in construction yourself before this.
Speaker 2:I've been nearly nearly 20 years now in construction.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Aye, so I actually started building sites when I was 14, you know, when I was in the summer. Like now I was obviously still in school but in the summer pocket money basically that's it, but I loved it. And my older cousin he always worked in cars and stuff and I just always loved working. Even my dad my dad had a business when I was growing up and I always just was champing at the bit to get in and doing stuff with him. I just always loved working.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I didn't have to, but even when, like I remember working, my dad had a cafe in the town for about 14 years and I remember working, getting there and working with him and wanting to do the dishes and they were like you can't, you're 12, you've got snacks against every regulation and I was like I'll just chomp at the bit to get a bit of work and get paid.
Speaker 1:You know, that was what it was, you know so yeah, no, I, I feel like, nah, kids don't fucking want to work.
Speaker 2:That's it, people are like.
Speaker 1:So when I was younger, I was the same. I would have went out the back and wanted to build stuff and wanted to always be good with tools, but it turned out To complete opposite. I'm fucking shit with tools.
Speaker 2:Your hands are your tools.
Speaker 1:I'm opposite. Everybody knows how to use a screwdriver. I'm only M-Cons who holds a ladder For my wife. You know what I mean. She's up there in the pent and I'm holding a ladder to keep her sweet no, I've always been the opposite, but I enjoy it.
Speaker 2:But like, even as a kid, like I remember all my mates all out playing football on the street and I was running about washing cars and all you know what I mean and having a jumbo like, even when I was having like a jumble sale or something in the street, just always, like always, like scheming and like doing something.
Speaker 1:I just just always want I don't know why.
Speaker 2:Just something I think must have been obviously watching my parents and like they had their own business and and and obviously my parents were quite successful in that and I just it must have been always like a drive in my brother, everyone. He made my brother and he's the complete opposite, like he's a musician, so he's like he's an artist.
Speaker 1:You know what.
Speaker 2:I mean he's the opposite of like, of the graft, you know, but he does like. I always admired him because he does what he loves and just stuck at it and just you know.
Speaker 1:And does it for a living. So did you have any specific trade, or did you? Go to university and do like a no, I was a plumber by trade.
Speaker 2:So I around 2007, 2008 when I that was whenever the big the crash happened yeah, so the construction industry was sort of went pop, so it was bad timing. So I remember applying for jobs. I always knew I wanted to leave school, like I'd done all right in school, but I wanted to leave school and go out and be a plumber. So I actually wanted to be a joiner. But I was chatting to different people, obviously again taking advice, people like plumbing's where it's at, you know, plumbing's where it's at and I was like I'll do that then.
Speaker 2:So, and nobody I didn't know anybody personally was a plumber. So it was like a like a need for it or whatever. My uncle actually gave me advice. He was a spark and he says do the plumbing, definitely the way to go. So got the alopecia as you did in them days and just wrote letters to everybody and phoned everybody around and and, uh, finally I actually went back to school for about a week and, uh, I think I was sitting in like a politics class in a level and just went. You know what, sir, sorry, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to go here I can't do this I couldn't do in our two years.
Speaker 2:This time away like I can't I can't sit in this environment, like this school environment, um. So finally got a job, um, and served my apprenticeship and all then, uh, just about, because the company I went, the company I was with, went bust. Got another company, they went bust, and then I was just chomping at the bit about my own. So as soon as I was qualified I went out on my own. But again, obviously years down the line, now this is what I'm doing, but I had no idea how to run a business.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you didn't even just thought I'll go and work at an old DS, I went and worked at my own and I was like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:How do you do this, how do you finance these things? How do you set things up?
Speaker 1:There's a lot more fucking to it than thinking. This is quite a new work and the work comes to me and people don't know Plummer anyway.
Speaker 1:He was with Phoenix Cass for 15 years before he made a decision to go out and I was the one always telling him he's older than me, he's six years older than me. I was like go out on your own, you fucking idiot. Like why wouldn't he? And he just he didn't know what to do and that's it. But for me I was saying just go out on your own, Everyone knows you're night like day. I'm like I'm sean. I'm like, oh fucking god, you need a number from me. He hates me having somebody, but I'm not on his number. But I did on many occasions like and uh, getting tortured. I was like, sure, everyone knows you're a plumber anyway.
Speaker 2:And I said it doesn't matter, yeah, just put about this and see you.
Speaker 1:Then he put the button and then, even now, like you, still fucking. There's loads to it like loads to it.
Speaker 2:That's it like being like it's, almost like it's. It's a blessing, obviously, being good at what you do, but in in the construction industry and in the trade industry, like it's it can be, it can be so much, so quick. When you're good at what you do, you get inundated with work.
Speaker 2:Yeah and how do you manage it? You know, how do you manage so many clients, how do you manage the cost coming in and out? And then when you grow and scale, like obviously my, my background was more commercial, so there's two aspects to the construction. There's a domestic end. Yeah, there's a commercial end. I always came from the commercial end but, like it's like, obviously, the bigger you are, the bigger business you are, the more, the more aspects there is to it and it's like, just because you're good at what you do doesn't make you a good business owner, of course, and it's that's the the idea.
Speaker 2:That's where the concept came from for what I do.
Speaker 2:It was how to become from a tradesman to a business owner yeah and actually running a good business, because I sort of fell in, didn't have the, the idea accidentally, like you usually do, but sort of the background. I was in, I was on the tools and then I was always. I just have that sort of attitude or, like you know, approach to things where like, like what's next, like I'm on the tools, now right, I've got my, got my money, I've got my cards what's, what's next?
Speaker 2:I thought it was business. Business was like. Business was tough because it was like where do you find the work? How do you get the work, how do you get yourself out there building the reputation, the brand and everything else. Then the money coming in and then own the credits and chasing money. And I went to what this is? I need to learn how to do this. But there was nothing there. That's what you're talking. I was probably more than 10 years ago now, so, um, no idea where to go from there and thought the only way for me to learn how to do this is to go back working for somebody again. Yeah, who had matter. Who's doing what I want to do? Learn everything about it and go from there.
Speaker 2:So that was kind of the approach it took. So I went back, went back to college to do like the engineering side of things, to try and learn, you know, move into the office in the commercial side, to build my way up in the industry to learn how to manage bigger projects and do these things. But then that sort of took its own path, um, and I got sort of caught up in the commercial like claiming the corporate ladder. So I was hungry for that. I was like could see the levels to that and the money that was involved in and thought that's, that's what I want to do. I want to be up managing these big projects and doing the operations manager side of things. So obviously you have to start at the beginning. So I went back to college all over again like I thought I'd never go back to school again, back to tech and done my engineering qualifications and stuff. Um, it's like a hnd or hnc or one of those things anyway.
Speaker 1:Um, struggle my way through that as you do when you're going to have a taste, go back to writing and studying.
Speaker 2:It's like probably have the knowledge, but it's just, I always just like people are practical and people are like we're obviously just practical people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and that's what happens. Like if, if all your engineering colleagues there's like worked around you being practical with stuff, yeah, like practical test, practical everything you've done, you would fucking like it.
Speaker 2:You probably would enjoy it, even if someone was to test me talking like yeah what about this? Would be that, oh yeah I could talk to put it down in paper. You go really it was RD.
Speaker 1:You see, that same thing. Rd was telling me something. I think you have to do something every I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:It would be your gas, your safe. Gas, your safe gas or something.
Speaker 1:I'd do it there again. And he says he didn't really. He looked through a few things and all, but he says he had already. He was like he says, and he just asked Dave the questions that Dave wrote down and Dave was just going no, so I said what was it? And he was like why is that right out of there? And he was like it's common knowledge.
Speaker 2:He's like but this is overthinking, like that's, that's the same in business, where, like that's what, there's so many, like so many different facets to what I do and but it is it's that same common problem all the time. That it's overthinking, like in business, yeah, from, especially coming from that trade where you're practical, to then thinking a completely different way.
Speaker 2:You know and asking somebody that right now you need to. Just, I have no idea what that is like. I've been on, I've been using my hands for 15, 20 years. Now you're asking me to start doing this like yeah totally alien to them, you know.
Speaker 2:But look, when I was so I sort of got, I sort of dived into then claiming the corporate ladder and done that very quickly. It's obviously good at what I've done. I was, I was hungry for it, I had a family and all very young and I then in in the commercial aspect or commercial aspect of construction and see a lot of the works over in england and all. So I was constantly away. I was never here like so you know, margaret was thankfully like well, she came out of work, obviously look after the kids and stuff. We'd two at the time and then it evolved into three eventually, but um, she was like a single parent and I was always away.
Speaker 2:But I thought like we were paying for a chair, car, both working on a command work here, so I meant like, and I have to go in there and I could see what was there, so claim the corporate ladder of I buy quickly within a bit, say it was like a four-year.
Speaker 2:The HNC or HNB or whatever was like a four-year plan and I think I've done that in the four years and then like from there into managing projects, into being a contracts manager, project manager and then into operations and then director level, all within about four or five years, maybe three years even after that. So claimed it very fast but learned so much and through that whole time and and working through that corporate ladder I sort of worked in every facet that was in it, so like pricing, jobs and doing reporting every aspect, everything learned it all yep, but loved it all and then so, being in that position, I had a lot of guys who were working for me coming to me and they were like you know.
Speaker 2:I could say I was paying them a fortune. Like these are big, like I was managing, like you know, you know, anywhere between one million, eight million pound projects and I could have 3 or 4 of them on the go at any one time.
Speaker 2:It was mental it was a lot of volume a lot of money involved, so you were paying money out left, right and centre and there was guys I was building relationships with, becoming friendly with guys who I got a good working relationship with, everybody that worked for me and worked with me and everything else.
Speaker 2:So became friends with guys, but they were all coming to me like, with all these problems I have with their business, now it's gonna be paying you a fortune, like and you should be, you should be flying, but they're like no idea of no cash flow. You know, struggling with how each job even worked, or struggling with team building or managing their teams or like how to even schedule jobs or like even contract side of things, but all that was my bread and butter yeah so I was helping them in the background, going like right, you should be doing like, so, helping them do this and do that.
Speaker 2:But I loved it. And the other aspect I loved going working through was like if there was a way of doing something, I loved trying to find out an easier way of doing it.
Speaker 2:So with extreme things and making them more efficient. Like that's what I enjoyed. So I didn't enjoy the construction side, I enjoyed the business side and I loved it. You know, really, really, I really loved, like, problem solving. I loved being in the room helping people do things and finding a better way and, yeah, just making things much more streamlined and efficient, because construction is so clunky it's so old school.
Speaker 2:It's so like. This is the way it's always been done, this way we always do it, and it's like it, like it's just. I was traveling a lot and thought and then I went out and went out my own, so I was always working for somebody. I came to corporate at our sort of got the director level and didn't work out it was somebody else's baby I was working, you don't have your own free way, anything you have ideas and yeah they're not taken on board, whatever else.
Speaker 2:So I just went out my own, went freelance, which isn't really heard of here in Ireland or whatever, but over in England it's quite common. So but obviously all the works in England. So I started my own business about three years ago. There just business and contract business and project management. I've done that and was really successful at that. But again, it was like I only ever worked for like one person at a time.
Speaker 2:It wasn't very scalable, because you can't really, because it's so, it's so heavily involved, you doing all the work, you being present and you can't have to be, you can't be proud, you can't be two players at one time. Yeah, that's it, and you want to give somebody the food you want to give them your all and they're paying you a lot of money like that's the thing that they're paying you a lot of money to do this and manage a job. You just you just physically couldn't do too much at once and if you paid off more, you can chew on you and just go south.
Speaker 2:You know so, but I sort of had this idea. Then I was away all the time. I thought, no, I have to come home. I said I'm sick of working away, sick of working over across the water, like I need to come home.
Speaker 1:You know kids go up to you and you start to miss parts of their lives. Maybe it's a football, and I seen you posted something on your other kid.
Speaker 1:Even peace havens yeah, that's it, and you're like fuck, this is the first time I've actually been here, present, not taking calls, like you can't pay for that shit, no matter where you are in the world, like you'd be when you think of being there or present at that time. It's like the amount of people who would get willing to be in that position. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, or someone who works for another company that their boss go. You can't go if you leave your, your sack. Oh, I've been there and done it real kill, stay and then listen that.
Speaker 1:But if you need to have that freedom to be like, yeah, it's my son, I'm prioritizing this well I did.
Speaker 2:I dedicated my life to somebody else's business like that's what I was doing I did like I did, I gave every hour like no matter what, and, as you say, I missed so much, like when the eldest, like she's 15, missed everything there like a hunt, like hardly, hardly, went to anything every like the whole time. If it was like it was, you know you have to wait, you can't miss it yeah they're like communion or whatever else.
Speaker 2:But then the wee lad. I try to be more involved there but still miss so much like I remember that lever's mass and stuff and I says I don't remember you doing any head case surgeon. She was like you weren't there and I was like you weren't here.
Speaker 1:But it's all right, do you mean? But like, that's awful, like, and it doesn't hit you, and you go like that's terrible.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? She was. She knew that straight away. We weren't there and I was like great, okay, right okay fair enough, take out the chin, but it's true, you miss so much and you can't get that back you know that's what's important. You can't get that back and like one of my biggest aspirations and like what I had the whole way through.
Speaker 2:Business was like I'd love to be able to take my kids to school every morning yeah, it wasn't like money and like the car or whatever else, it was like I just want to be able to. I want to have that freedom to have my own business, take my kids to school and enjoy things like that and like the phone not be ringing and all and and again. That was one of the big issues that so, when I sort of was helping people how I sort of ended up coming up with this concept for the Blueprint Program that I'm running now is guys kept coming to me with all the same problems. I have no time in my family. Like I was under that same sort of pressure and I built my way out of that. There's no control over their finances. Like no idea what any job is making or what like like they're finding out what how the business went at the end of the year when, when they went yeah, yeah, I mean it's like what did I make last year?
Speaker 2:and they go. I went well, or it didn't like, and it's like you're winging it exactly totally winging it. And then the control, but like, if they're not there, it all falls apart, so no control. They have to physically be there to have control. So I thought like right, there's something here that's missing and it's really like something that that needs to be fair in these guys.
Speaker 2:So that's where I come up with the construction business blueprint program, and it was a program then built around time, profit and control in any business in construction, and through that was just so many different facets to it. But I launched that in january. Um and what that? We had an event there on tuesday night and we're already sitting. I think there's 14 guys in the room like. So in six months it's grew quite like albeit I wanted it to grow quicker than it does, but obviously your own expectations are always set high for yourself. But, like, what's been the most impactful thing, the biggest thing I've taken out of that whole thing, was like sitting in that room with all those people.
Speaker 1:Everybody's doing really well, everybody's getting out what they can far exceed what they wanted to get out of it, you know guys sending me like.
Speaker 2:I'm down to four days a week now and I'm earning more than I ever earned.
Speaker 1:I'm going to make some money it's like you said before as well. It's so old school, yeah, construction's so old school, so free even to give 14 people free to get buy-in, yeah, from 14 construction workers, massive, like. Like my brother's a bricklayer as well, my older brother, he, he worked, he's worked his whole life for other people, like fucking, and he can draw plants, he can do everything, but he, he's just always worked for other people and he's fucking fly this one, fly that one. But it just seems he's gone down the same path. Yeah, that all the people he worked for like nah, he doesn't drink no more, he's fucking like nine months sober now he's going well, but he was just, it was just work a few pence out of work home, make a dinner, a few things up next month and it was just that for like for 12, 15 years there right up until like nine months ago, where he just stopped drinking.
Speaker 1:But see, like in a way for me boxing, when you go into a box club, boxing club coaches are so old school where it's like stick that black bag on, lose weight, and it's like and you're fucking it doesn't work like that. There's a science behind it and there's a lot more to it than just old school. Go out and fucking run the roads. Run 10, he can run 15 miles, he's fit completely. Deplete yourself you don't run 15 mil.
Speaker 1:No one runs. Who the fuck runs 15 mil? There's a chance to do. You know what I mean. Who the fuck can run 15 mil if you can't box 12 rounds? So that's just old school, that's the way he boxes and that's construction, and he's in theatre and you've obviously just went.
Speaker 2:This needs a fucking change it's definitely a tough niche to crack because, like you're talking about construction, you know men mainly in construction and it's like they're very like you know it's a male thing, like you know.
Speaker 1:It's very setting the race, but also like asking for help. I don't need help.
Speaker 2:You know, and you talk about mindset. You say that somebody instructs mindset.
Speaker 2:They go waste of fucking money you cut and pitch out a magazine, stick it in the vision board and hope it happens, and all you know it's what we do about mindsets like stuff you can really implement in your business a different way of thinking, yeah, different way of approaching things, different way of behaving in order to get what you need and want out of people and your business. Like, but again, like I have had guys, usually younger guys who've come on the program and they come out, come in, with a full, open mind yeah they're sort of a bit more open to things hungry and they come in and they implement everything straight away and they get results like lightning.
Speaker 2:Then of other guys who, understandably, like, have been in the game for 20 plus years and been in business for a long time, and you're asking them to do something like they can't change that doesn't work for me and you're going, but yeah you have tried it, but it's like do it exactly not do it your own way, like your own spin on it.
Speaker 2:Like do it exactly how I'm laying it out and I see. If that doesn't work, then come back and then let me know and we'll fix it. But, like you know, everybody's different. Every business is different. I think the program I have is it's bespoke to every so every business gets their own bespoke plan. Like I sit down and dissect everything on their business and again a lot of guys will come to me and say, like I don't know, I know there's something not right or I know there's a problem.
Speaker 2:I know, I know I could be doing more and it's not happy with something, but like I'm not, can't quite put my finger on it and I've sat down with a client yesterday for like I've been done for nearly two and a half hours but like I was able to completely like dissect everything out of his head and go like like show him things, like yeah, I had never thought about like that and I never.
Speaker 2:I was like of course you haven't. Because, like you're just used to that repetitive cycle chasing work, chasing money, you know, chasing the next job, or like the common thing construction is, you're always looking back instead of looking forward. So, like planning ahead, they're like I have too much to do to plan ahead like it's all firefighting it's all like answering the phone, doing the work, just like it's all them.
Speaker 2:The whole, the whole thing revolves around them. And then a couple people working for them. But that's not, that's not a business, that's, that's a job.
Speaker 2:But you're getting people to help you, you know, do the work so so much to it and, as you say it is, they have a lot of there's a lot of limiting beliefs in our industry as well of what's possible and what's not. But like you look at any other industry, like they all have like reviews on things, performance reviews of their staff, like any other corporate world has that. And construction is unheard of.
Speaker 1:But like why I know because people just think you're going to share. There's a big foreman, he does it and the foreman gets a job and there's subcontractors and people just go and that's it. There's no like, actual like like because it's like government like, say, government thought before state and they want to bypass. Sure, we got a job, we're going to send them under the house. It's just. But it's like. Imagine, like like. Let's say, for example, our Liam, he's a bricklayer. Imagine he was in a position to go like I'm going to start a company, how can I get these contracts? How can I, how can I start rubbing shoulders with people who can maybe get me involved in this? Or, you know, give me even a block of houses or give me fucking 50 houses and I'll bring a squad. No like, no one really thinks they're going into construction. It's just like I go and work for him straight and get my job straight and get my job and they fall into it accidentally and they get opportunities and that's how it starts.
Speaker 2:But like it's managing that and like not every opportunity is a good opportunity, not every job is a good job, not every client is a good client. So, like our whole approach is delivering results for high quality clients. Like the first question I ask anybody like they're very bare basics. Where we start is like what kind of life do you want to have? Like do you enjoy working dick? Do you like working on the tools? And I'm gonna say yeah, but like they're young and I go, are you still going to enjoy working on tools in 20 years time?
Speaker 1:probably not, back's fuck you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So it's like what you might want now isn't what you when you know what you want in 10 years time. So it's like set your business up the right way from the beginning and start as you mean to go on at any point in time, like it's just again. I could talk about it all day and I'm very passionate about it too, but there's so much to it, um, and every business is different. Every person is different. Every desire, need and want. Every business is different. But it has to start from like. What kind of life do you want to have? Like? So for me, it's like I want to be able to spend time with family. I want to go on holiday when I actually enjoy my holiday I want to go a few holidays a year.
Speaker 2:Like I speak to guys, like I shot two weeks over the 12th and that's it and I go, that's I have to shut the company down and I can go on holiday my family, but like we're still chasing invoices, yeah, and it's hail before they go and then when they come back it's hell because they've just been shut down for two weeks so now they're two weeks behind, so it's like that's insane.
Speaker 2:Again, you take, you take any other business, like big business. In any other industry, the main guy at the top is usually the least important person in the business it's everybody else doing everything around them exactly so.
Speaker 2:It's like in construction you take the main guy out. There's no business there anymore. You can't sell that business. No one like that's not a business, it's sellable or it's generally not profitable. Then it has to. It has to be you have to be that almost the least important person in your business. And then it's choice saying do you want to work on the tools? Yeah, well, then go ahead. If you don't don't, you don't have to. Choices you can or you, you don't. It's up to you, because the business is structured and systemized in a way that it doesn't actually require you to have all the input.
Speaker 1:You know people in the right places doing the right things. Yeah, it takes it all away from you 100%. Yeah, and you do what you want to do. Yeah, exactly like construction work seems like it's very like immature and all like. It's just like obviously you ever see, like on tiktok there's a bunch of people doing all these like pranks and like, and then even like all the stories you hear like apprentices getting sat to get glass hammers and like, and like you have to remember too.
Speaker 2:Like it is, it is gay, it's just a bunch of lads. You know women all the same. Men are just fucking immature, which proves it. You won't be building sitting there fucking.
Speaker 1:I have a mate and he's just on fucking recording on that tiktok and he's shouting up the people and he's he's recording our lads from down the country say fucking without them, as no one's. Yeah, he's recording our lads from down in the country. He said fucking without them, as known. So he's got a nest last night and he's going. Oh oh, he's going. Did you hear Balik's on? He's recording him and I haven't a clue and he's putting it up on social media. He's going by, he's getting wet and there's questions he's asking fuck me look at him.
Speaker 2:You see some things like on sites and some characters too, like yeah, but like the industry has so much potential. And I see like I have a friend there in America and he's he was in a similar role that I don't. He was managing projects, but in America it was. Even I was going, I'm managing multi-million pound projects and he's managing multi-billion pound projects. But how they approach their industry again, we're always late years behind, like but their whole approach is like they look after their subcontractors. You know, they put the arm around them. They actually invest money and train on them, because when their supply chain like it's again, it's like any other.
Speaker 1:See your supplies.
Speaker 2:You need to keep them fed and you need to keep them like trained and that benefits you at the top. So, like everybody, like there's enough to go around, there's, and that's how it should be. But in this country, unfortunately, it's like I, like a lot of main contractors will sit on the smaller guy and that's how you make money, you know. And again, in business, especially in construction, it's like you need to even from pricing the job. Again, not every client's a good client, like you need to be aware of like reviewing contracts and terms and conditions and things like that and thinking in that way. So when you get an opportunity, it's easy to be like in. You know, if someone gets a job like you're saying, like black house, you're a bricklayer, it's like, oh man, I love that, I'll take it. But like what's the client? Like you're working for, what's the payment terms? You?
Speaker 1:know there's loads to it than just taking the job because they're fucking going to shit on you. Basically, they're probably going to get the D going a lot. It may be, like you say, in this country some contractors give you the D and the thing you're going fuck with that.
Speaker 2:He works for me and he'll get fucking shit flows downhill, as they say, so if a job goes somewhere, it usually goes that's genuinely the way it works.
Speaker 2:But like, not every like I'm not saying every, every you know every main contract or every way is bad. Like there is good companies out there obviously more in the private sector, it's a bit easier in the commercial sectors but it's like you are only one. You're only as good as your last job. That's reputation wise. You're only as good as the last job you delivered. But also, it only takes one bad job to really fuck it right up like it is so like so, like it's.
Speaker 2:It's having that approach and not just getting excited. You'll also hear a lot of guys in our game saying like, oh, I have so many vans in the road and so many lads like usually older boys going like, see, I have my own business, like he's working for you, and he's like I have my own. I have 50 men working for you, but like, where's your profit margins? Where's your figures? What's your numbers? No idea.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean? That's?
Speaker 2:it. But like no one has ever shown them like they left school, like I did at 16, went out and done a trade, good at what they do, went out in business. Now them anything about running a business, exactly, and there was never anything out there, you know, but now there is. So that's obviously what I brought into the industry and like, genuinely like, even a few years ago, if I had to say like I, I love helping people, I'd have went oh, fuck me really like people say I love helping people.
Speaker 1:But you actually do, but I do like I've never seen that term like you're, you're happiest when you're giving someone something or when you're it's near enough. The same thing when you're helping someone, it's like if it's a feel good factor. It's like you when you're buying someone a present, you're like you're buying, say you buy a kid a present that you're happy.
Speaker 1:It's bad because you see that the joy of the job and it's the same, like even me in the gym, if we have someone lose two stone or three stone. Or do you achieve a certain goal and like it gives you massive fulfillment. That's what it's for, yeah that's what you do it for and it's obviously the same for and there is like there's something special about giving somebody something.
Speaker 2:They're doing something for somebody and not expecting anything in return, yeah, like there's something like. There's something like beautiful about that.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:that sounds mad, but like it is true, like if I'm obviously like my success in my business is obviously other people's success, like my client succeeding is my success, like it's a byproduct, like so, but my I'm fully invested in their success. Like I often say, like when guys are coming to work for me, I know, like you and me become we, like I work for you, like I'm now part of your business and if this business does well, like which, it will like're all going to succeed here. That's what coaching is 100%.
Speaker 1:That's what coaching is you're coaching? I'm coaching you to succeed. It's like football Pep Guardiola goes to man City. Man City win the travel he's buzzing you're a better player. Like, let's say, raheem Sterling joins City, scores 50 goals a season before you know what I mean. So Pat Morley's going. You're a better player because of me unbelievable and it makes me happy that you're a better player. Now you're worth.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean success is measured in so many different ways, like do you know what I mean? But I do get so much fulfillment like I did always like thought it was business. You know, I wanted saying I really loved property, like and getting the property and stuff and on the Airbnb route and all, but it was just like. It was always just something. I was always. I was never fulfilled. It was always like what's next?
Speaker 2:what do I do now? I'm bored of that, like I get bored of things very, very quickly that way where, like there's something about helping somebody and, you know, providing somebody with a complex, like I'm speaking these guys. They're going like my life's completely transformed, like in this last six months working with you. It's like I have so much more time and when I am home I'm not pissed off and yeah, I know, I'm present with my family and I can enjoy, yeah, and go holiday and enjoy my, enjoy my holiday, where I'm on the phone and I'm like irritated by like a guy was.
Speaker 2:I was in that position, albeit it wasn't my business I was running other people's businesses but like it is, it's like when you're like I used to go away all weekend, margaret's had the house all regimental and everything going really well, and it's going on the weekend out of guilt and like we're going here we're doing this and we're going out here and we're eating this and we're just doing whatever we want and blah, blah, blah and it was like but even when I was doing that it was, it was out.
Speaker 2:It was from a place of like I haven't been here all week and I need to go home and I want to buy them this and do this for them and take them here and do their. But it was like out of guilt. And then when I was there, all I was thinking about was was work.
Speaker 2:I mean, all I think about was what monday right here going like a dreaded sunday coming. Then monday was another thing, you don't mean so? But it's definitely. This is great because it's allowed me to be more creative. It's my baby and I've built it and, like I'm proud of what I've built and also, like, of what I'm doing for people, you know, it's bringing me massive fulfillment, like so, uh, it's definitely.
Speaker 1:It's like are you in a place now where you're fulfilled? Are you like, obviously ambitious, still more ambitious than before.
Speaker 2:You just want to grow and grow, and grow is there like a cap on anything?
Speaker 1:or is it just like, no, let's go?
Speaker 2:like I know, like there's never for me, there's never a cap on anything. Obviously, what I've like, what I have learned myself about life and about my clients, is about having like boundaries and being aware of like what's working and what's not. So like and again, the measure of your success. So my obviously, my ambition for this business is to help as many people as possible. That's, that's the goal and, yes, I want to build a team, but like, the more obviously, the more, the bigger I get and the bigger, the bigger and better this gets, the more people I can help yeah, that's the idea behind it, you know if it's skills, it's like I can, I can reach more people.
Speaker 2:Um, so, like it's all me at the minute and it's all like just on instagram. It's not what I'm sure you've seen, but like I'm gonna, I'm launching a youtube channel here as well, which is I'm trying to give people as much value as possible, even people who are on the outside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, haven't like I think, an invite to go like when they're getting value from you. It's like keep getting the value and all of a sudden, before you know, you make people go fuck it I'll get him shit yeah apparently I'm getting value from what I understand what you're saying, but I still don't know how to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's like and then I'll probably grow even more, grow your business even more but I know, like for me personally, yes, the information's there, like information is readily available for a lot of people, but it's it's it's surprising how much people don't know, like you don't know what you don't know so like if I'm, if I'm giving somebody an idea and a bit of content, or like, even if I do speak to people and they don't come on as clients, I go look, follow me on Instagram, you know.
Speaker 2:If you ever need anything, if you ever need a bit of advice, reach out and ask me a question. I'd be happy to give you a stare because I think, again, it is. It is a passion now for helping people and I want to see people do well. I've seen so many people go the other way with their business and it's like I hate seeing that. You know, know, and they are in fucking 10.
Speaker 1:They're out there grafting. Yeah and come away with fuck all. It's a wee bit like fuck.
Speaker 2:That's not really yeah and I I understand, yes, there's cowboys and stuff out there and people who aren't good at their job and there is tradesmen and businesses who also, you know to pull like cowboys that do bad jobs, but obviously my target is, you know, successful business owners who just need gains yeah, I want to learn how to run a business like they deserve it, you know I mean.
Speaker 2:They deserve to have a life, a quality of life where, like it's unheard of in construction to be able to like be hands off and, you know, still have time for your family and still enjoy. There's some people who have done that and fair play to them, like you know I mean. But there's a lot of people who just don't even think that that's even possible, like, yeah, how can I not be on site? Like if I don't, I don't know it's not working. But there is, yes, you can't just all of a sudden hire somebody, put them in your business and go. I can step back.
Speaker 2:Now they need to be trained they need to be processed and systems are for them to follow, because you're asking somebody to come in and do something the way you want it to be done, so it can't be in here and you can't just regurgitate all the information to them.
Speaker 1:You have to have it written down people are afraid to lose control as well. They think they're losing control sometimes and you're letting someone else come in and do it and they can't get away from it that way.
Speaker 2:100% and that's true. It's like if I give him the reins, I'm not in control. But it's again, there's a method to you create the system and the process. Obviously I do it for them, my clients, I'll create that system and process for them. But it's like you're getting somebody to do it your way, you're not getting somebody to do it their way. So, say, your company, it's a FMRW management, my company, if I'm saying I'll systemise and process, you want it done the way I want it.
Speaker 1:You're doing it the way I want it, but I think it doesn't matter what way you think. You're doing it the way I want to, even that that's like.
Speaker 2:This is the way we do it. This is how I actually this is the standards that I want it done by, and like if you get somebody good in, like that, like what you're saying, like you all want my way, but like if they come in with a good idea or a better idea I'll hear it and I'll see it if we can make this more efficient and better burn it.
Speaker 2:But again, there's a way of doing that like you need to have reviews regularly with your, with your team, and I'm sure you do the same thing in the gym.
Speaker 1:We meet up weekly, every week friday. We go through all the members, go through everything and see who's a red flag, see who's doing well. Give us a message, drop her a message, give her a well done, or you know just be different. Obviously, programming stuff together as well. There's loads of. There's loads of like that's gonna be small business, like it's, but there is obviously you can't just let it just slide and people expect people to be all right, like all the members around the place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm sure you have a system like I'm sure you have an app that has you know gathers information.
Speaker 2:Then you review the information, but like a constructionist, like you just go day by day, week by week, and say no, you need to collect the evidence, you need to collect the data, you need to know what the profit margins were in that job, because then did that job work or not? Why not? Was it how you priced it? You know everything has to be reviewed, everything has to be, but you need to have the numbers there to review it and see what's working and what isn't. And then, yeah, like the only, usually the only time you speak to your employees in construction is when there's something goes wrong. I've got a problem or an issue, but like it's too late by the engine.
Speaker 2:They do. You know what I mean? They're pissed off. So there's ways of doing things and there's right and the wrong way, in my opinion. Do you know what I mean? But no way there is just and sometimes in construction there's just, there's no way of doing things and most people, they just don't have anything there, you know, and they're just completely winning you're doing now, probably in 10 years, 20 years from now, people, because you're starting to see people stay away from instruction.
Speaker 1:It's very hard to get a brick there now it's very hard to get a fuck like someone coming through massive skill shortage.
Speaker 1:So it's like people are going away from it, but maybe if they see like people are being raised to stay on school and do this and do that, but then you're only gonna fucking. You know, you're only a big student. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no do it with passion, do it with fucking be the best
Speaker 2:at it, make me some money give me an early retirement, because I have no passion.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just like just do whatever you want. That's my motto in life. Like just I don't care what you do, do it with passion and don't cheat. Do it, just do it. Do it to your best, to your ability and that's all you're going to ask but I think, like people's, like parents, are probably going, no, you're not doing, you're not going into construction.
Speaker 1:You're not going into construction because obviously it has the thing now where, like, a lot of people are staying away from it there's a big misconception about it, like yeah if it's done the right way, like if you start to see like a lot of the construction business owners that you're working with start to treat their workers well, start to make profits well, then maybe people start to go fuck.
Speaker 1:And then you see, let's say you're working for or people, let's say you're working with 14 clients from northern ireland and they're all fucking flying, and they're, they have 20 men working for the meat and they're all flying, they're all doing well, they're having, they're getting treated well. And then 10 years now you go fuck what does well and then it just grows, yeah, and the industry is wrong, right, yeah. So basically it's like you're running the whole industry industry right, and then more people start to steer back in there again 100. You'll maybe see we dip off here in the next couple of years. But then if it is starting to run right, yeah, and people are starting to treat well, be treated well, and people are starting to earn well and people are starting to have control of their full business, yeah, then it's like fuck and such does it. And then parents who are in construction won't hesitate to put their kids in the construction because they know what's being run well. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean, yeah, well, I'm very passionate about apprenticeships as well, like construction, me having a trade and like even if everything fell apart in the morning, I go back and get a van it's the only industry I know that'll always stand by it, regardless of what's going on. If you get injured or hurt, then you can move into a different aspect of construction there's always like it's.
Speaker 2:It's a massive industry and also like it's a lucrative industry. I know more self-made millionaires in construction than any other industry. Like personally, yeah, it's not just because I'm in the industry, like I, I know a lot of friends in other industries who do very well, but, like, construction industry is a lucrative industry if it's done right and, like you said, like I'm I'm I'm doing more than just helping people. I'm trying to improve the industry. I'm trying to improve the standard. So, yes, getting the right type of clients, let you know, and setting boundaries in place for clients to let them know that, like, if everybody's standards are high and they're the same, then that's, that's the expectation yeah if you want to pay cheap, you work away, but that's not gonna work for you.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:so it's like it's about improving it all across the board, like you know, better, better supply chain, better clients, better run business and people are going after each other and again the money's there, but it's. It is a hard industry to crack because you know this country's a quite a narrow-minded country at times too, you know, and small-minded and like why a lot of limiting beliefs of what's possible and what's not? And then the construction industry it's like you're talking about something like mentorship and coaching and mindset and different things, and they're like in this industry like it's unheard of too. You know, like there is, I know, a couple of guys doing in america, new zealand, there's a couple of guys doing england, there's nobody doing it in ireland, like so, um, so it's, it's. It was like put my head above the power button going is this going to work?
Speaker 1:but like when you see the results you're getting from people yeah, it's just, and it's just drove me some time before they tell another like it'll just. You know word of mouth, yeah, that's already going that way, do you know?
Speaker 2:I mean it's like I know somebody who really benefit from this. I know somebody who's going through what I'm going through and it's funny you said about improving, like, the supply chain, improving the industry and like letting other people see it. So like I've had guys saying I've seen what you're doing for him and how well he's doing like and how like I want some of that, like I.
Speaker 1:You know I want to get involved in that. At the end of the day, everyone wants to make money. The real way and have less of a headache. Yeah, but like you're.
Speaker 2:You're in this game. You've been in this game a long time. You're going to be in this game. Like asking somebody who's been, you know, to change their industry after 20 years or something is going to be a tough ask. Like it's possible, like you can do whatever you want, but like it's like you may as well make the most of what you're doing you know you may as well be again the best of what you I'm skipping.
Speaker 1:I'm skipping bye. Why do something about it, then? I hate that bye every week. It's like keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. It's insanity, that's it.
Speaker 2:You say there is a skill shortage and apprentices. Yes, especially in a digital age now where money seem to be so easy made. Yeah, doing different things.
Speaker 2:Like younger ones aren't willing to go, and pick up a tool on tiktok getting pale yeah, so when they see they see that and they go like that's what I want to do. I want to be a youtuber. I do want to do this, I'm sure if I have a few kids, but then that's. That's all down to the schools too, I know. Showing people what's possible and Like no, you could have A fucking massive business here. Yeah, like you could be really successful Out of construction. And like Like I'd love that opportunity Even to go into schools and show like what's possible and like tell stories and testimonials of People I've seen Come from that and there should be more of that Than careers like Of what's possible In our industry and in our world, like the people that go into it.
Speaker 1:It goes right back to you around the kids. I love them. You don't get that, no more. You don't get it. I haven't seen any kids. You don't even see kids in the streets no more kids are just like. They go out and dress. They all dress. Well, they don't want to get this.
Speaker 2:They don't want to work around their shoes it's not in the glider step brushing their hair, you get beat up when you for it.
Speaker 1:It's not in British. Now people run the bird work like it's mad.
Speaker 2:They're like flicking their hand.
Speaker 1:They're like fuck me yeah, there were some that's right, like so it's very like maybe in the sticks you get the wee country boys and they'll jump in the tractor and they're 10 and 11, like in the city and that's generational, but too generational, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:Where, like they fuck lost dudes, they're on a big field and they're seeing what their dad is attracted to, or they're going to an instruction, or they're like there's some videos now, you see, where kids are flying about in cars, when they're fucking on their own land, when they're 10, 11, 12 and it's like, fuck me, how are they doing? Like up here, like you see them brushing their hair, they're dressing all the best as any here and I'm going fucking hell.
Speaker 2:But it's a massive misconception. You put two people with sales here, a guy standing in a suit and a guy standing to work here. Like, say, it's a plumber of his own business, even if he's a one-man band like he'd be well in the six figures. I could be working at a bank 30 round a year. I know what I'd rather do. Like so the possibilities are. And and like it's so much easier to get into and, yes, it'll stand by for the rest of your life, so the opportunities are. Like but even if you're saying about the wee lad, you don't care what he does. Like I have three kids at all, three different ages, like 7, 11 and 15, and like she's doing her GCSEs and it's like what's a good job and what's I'm going? Like, never mind the job. Like you know. Like you know what do you like to do, what do you enjoy doing, what do you love?
Speaker 1:like that's what you need to do and even at 15 you wouldn't even really know because, like I say, when I was 15 I was at the back, we were building, we were and all my dad's tools and my dad's wee tool in the book and I was fucking, fucking the ring nail guns the ring and fucking.
Speaker 1:What are you doing right there? He's going next night building big, massive cracking huts and like all was in the like tools. That's when I was 15, but fuck me, I couldn't have steered any further away from it because you know.
Speaker 1:I wasn't, it wasn't, it's not until I got my own gaffer and over the last couple of years, getting it all fucking like knocked yeah renovated from inside out and I was going, and even still this day I'm like, fuck, I wish I had a trade behind me, because if you've got one trade behind you, you can do a wee bit of something, a wee bit of everything it's a blessing on a burden. I haven't a fucking clue how to deal with it.
Speaker 1:She's going we got all the outside pipes and she's taking out the sewer and we hold her on the wall. We replaced that pipe, so we're holding that wall, holding her, and I'm like she's like, can you potty him up?
Speaker 2:I was like I haven't a clue how to potty him up. She's like can you not get fucking smacked?
Speaker 1:and I. I was like I have no clue how to do it. He's like Can you knock it Like fucking, like smant? And I was like when am I getting smant from?
Speaker 2:I need sound. How do you mix them up?
Speaker 1:I was like Sorry for my dad. I was like how do you mix smant, did you tell me. I was like I'll do it for you If you've got sound smant. I was like, nah, so I had it smant and bring it. And he's like I'll do it for you tomorrow night and we'll see what the weather is and I'll just come up and he's like I'm just going to replace the bricks instead of having big big wax and smant stuff all over the back of the house, so like they're the stupidest basic things.
Speaker 1:If you had some form of like, you would save yourself a fortune, but that way.
Speaker 2:I know course, because, like, obviously, I done my own house, almost the same, and, like you feel, like you have to do it yourself because you're like I can do that, so why not? But you want like?
Speaker 1:I can save myself a few quid, but see you walk into any tradesman's house, and their house is never finished I'm not enough, because one of my brothers are plaster, ones are brick there, ones are months of gas in there, and my dad can do a wee bit of rink. So that's why I just said he's worked away, he's fucking, he's worked away and the house is done from fucking top to bottom. So I touched lucky on that one. I know, I know, I know like I've been to see if anyone needs hit, say to him the other brother.
Speaker 2:I know, I know no good it's, it's a sin. It could be a blessed non-accursed, like it is, because you're expected then as well. The phone never stops, like I've. I always say to people. Now, like I used to get tortured by plumbing, I used to go like I don't even have the tools and all anymore like I just try, try not to, because wrong and that's your bag and you're going.
Speaker 1:Fuck, I don't do this anymore. Like my work clothes is what you're wearing now. You're dressed. You're dressed. I'm not going to get stinking 100%. It's like when I have 15 holes in the bus stop. You're wearing all the good gear.
Speaker 2:That's just fucking that's actually a good bit of advice I give to the clients. I say work when you're close, like go to work. When you're decent, close and you'll not get stuck in. But as I would have said that's, you know, you set that presence and you're the owner and that's it, and that works too like. But that's, it is, it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is crazy so what do you do for your downtime?
Speaker 2:like you within the run so you're still at that in August I will like just when you can that was August last year. I will everything, obviously everything going on there with Marguerite Rose, like in February. She's just through her treatment there. She was diagnosed with Hoskins lymphoma. She rang the bell there on Tuesday.
Speaker 1:Just finished that, but so everything's been a bit hectic at the moment yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that yeah had it like how did she get there? It just seemed like me and like me and thomas speak.
Speaker 2:But right, I'm like just thinking about them and I think like she was just strong, just different like strength, different type of strength, but she, obviously she, she's different somewhere she's amazing, like honestly, I'm not just next to me, just being past, like but it's like I always knew she was as strong as that. Never. Obviously, we never ever seen anything like that coming and it came around so quick. So, like Margaret, who's noticed she had a sore throat or like was stuck on the swallow on like the Friday and then on the Sunday like a lump appeared on her throat and she went to the doctors on the Monday and they went for blood tests and she went to A&E on the Wednesday. She was cleaning an apartment or something with her man and she's like you have to go down to the hospital. That's not normal lumping your throat. And she's like I'll go down to A&E and she's like down to A&E. And then they called us down.
Speaker 2:What happened? She was sitting in A&E all day and they'd done blood tests and a I was still working with everyone else and then she rang me and Margaret rang me and says they've asked I was on my own here and then the girl says have you been out with your mum at your wedding? And she's like I was. I sent her home and she went. Would you maybe get her to come back? Does she live local, would you get her to come back? And she was like what? And she was like you, come down. I don't know what that's all about.
Speaker 2:And then went down and I was going, I'll be sitting about here all day and like I'll have a sore throat like you know, go over it like big deal and then she could brought the guy came in to the porter with a wheelchair and was like you're going up the ward and she's like came near us talking to us.
Speaker 2:We were all going like what the fuck's going on here, like do you know what I mean? And then she went up in the ward. So she went in the hospital, like 12, the A&E and by 6 o'clock 6 o'clock they sat us down and said, like you have all the? Obviously it was all a big, long conversation but they pretty much summarised it as like you've got all the signs. I didn't even I knew like cancer right, okay, what about it? Like how bad is it? And we don't know anything about it by now. But turned out that she got an x-ray and now cancer doesn't show, shouldn't show on x-rays, but the x-ray showed her heart. And then this other big lump the guy said it was about the size of his fist attached to her heart and and your buds are all completely ski-whiffed and everything.
Speaker 1:So obviously that was massive fear as soon as I said that because we were like me it was just, and you wanted the waters right away, because you just like what was that like what's happening because you obviously something like that is like so and like trauma, like it's like well, you automatically think the worst.
Speaker 2:You're like is that you? You is that you? You're gonna die like what's what's like? You just want answers straight away and obviously the answers aren't always there straight away. But like to be honest, like you hear a lot of horror stories. But the hospital were fantastic, they were in the royal, but they were brilliant and it might have been her age, I don't know but so they kept her in. She was in for two weeks and obviously we had like didn't want to tell the kids until we knew exactly what was happening. We didn't know, like what stage or how developed it was or how advanced it was or anything like that there. But that was all like pretty traumatizing and upsetting and but like as soon as margaret got the news and like a couple of days and sort of got that nick, yes, it was all scripted what's next?
Speaker 1:automatically thought like what's next?
Speaker 2:like what do I do now? What? How do I get over this? Like, yeah, and it was amazing, the wats like I always knew she was as strong as I'd always knew, like she was capable of always so much more than what she believed.
Speaker 2:But like, never, like never in a million years did I think that she was this strong to get through this um. So obviously we reviled when the kids told them everything, um, and that was a challenge and so like she was in hospital for two weeks and I told him when she was in hospital and that was tough on them but we were so open about it because I felt like I feel like you have to be, especially like kids are older, like, especially a girl 15 like you can't keep secrets from them you know, and then it's things which.
Speaker 2:So she was in hospital for two weeks and they kept her in to do every test under the sun, because if they had let her go like if we let you go you'd be waiting six months on a test yeah, so they kept her in and then let her out. Like the wednesday you went to see a consultant on the friday and then by the monday she started treatment.
Speaker 1:So that was everything was so quick so we didn't even get time to digest anything, because it's on the next thing, it's on the next thing, it's on the next thing, so it's like and then like the chemo started and she just like never.
Speaker 2:That was in february, so it's probably like nearly six months in and like never a complaint, never, like absolutely floater, like couldn't have their head off of a pillow some some days and but like always just booed on, always never complained, just anything she could do, she'd done it, like, just kept going like the strength was amazing, like, but thank god, like you're saying about the business, thank god like I was obviously still working away on and off before christmas and I dropped all the corporate clients before christmas and went full time at this, built up a small client base in that first few months, built up a lot of momentum in that first few months, and then obviously I was on the mentorship and sort of went to them for guidance and they were like look, don't stop, don't stop marketing. And I was like I don't want to do it, I have no interest in getting in front of a camera and marketing and doing anything. And he's like no, but listen, this will pass, you know, and this is all you need it.
Speaker 1:The money still needs to come. The money needs to pay.
Speaker 2:Like if kids and all like you can't, you can't just stop as much as you'd love to just go right, that's it like. And it didn't have. Like okay, I was fortunate enough. Yes, I had a couple of investments there and got rid of them and had that as a bit of a backup, but like no way could that. It was never gonna last. You know what I mean? It wasn't sustainable, um, and margarose was the same. She's like you know, that's that matt. Like no, you need to go out there and you know, piss off and go make your video and go meet your client, do it like obviously it was tough and a lot, of, a lot of times, like I went to every single appointment, sat beside her every time because, like you have to support and again, the hospital were great usually you're not allowed them, but she'd give us her own wee room and let us sit again, so they were really good.
Speaker 2:But yeah, so she pulled through it like a lot of obstacles in a way, a lot of a lot of bumps in the road throughout it, and she rang the bell on Tuesday, finished off, done the chemo and then done the radio and then, like the misconception as well, is like if you ring the bell, you've finished your treatment that's it, you're done even we thought that before this all happened.
Speaker 1:It's still going on.
Speaker 2:The journey continues that's like at the minute, like she rang the bell and wanted to go take everybody for lunch and dinner and like celebrate and all she can't eat or drink the radio has destroyed her whole esophagus, so she can't eat, can't drink and, like on Tuesday, we rang the bell. It was all meant to be a celebration. The whole family, like Margot's family, is massive the whole family were there and obviously my family is absolutely tiny, tiny, so I took away getting used to, so you're on your own.
Speaker 1:I was only four.
Speaker 2:We're only four but like they're a brilliant family, like both families, massive support network like my dad and our brothers and sisters and all. They're all like brilliant people, really good people, all there to help, no matter what was going on, um, but like even even on tuesday ringing the bell, you think that's us, but like we had to stay behind him because we're going to induce her and bring her in and put a feeding tube and all in and I'm like she's just fed up now.
Speaker 2:You know going like this needs to be done over and done with, but it's amazing what it's amazing her strength and like the resilience and like both of us were on there, like we were meant to go here and meant to go there and do these things, and like we were meant to go to America at Christmas big long haul flight.
Speaker 2:It was actually a connecting flight and she was with passport and couldn't go, and just as well because like she had that from, it turned out like skipped a lot so they were going through all the symptoms and she was like I have lost about half of my stomach. I was losing weight.
Speaker 1:I've been on here for fucking.
Speaker 2:It seems like an eternity, but it's like she was losing weight and we thought that was just because she, because I was losing weight, she wasn't, because I wasn't really eating much. And then she had a rash and the lumps and the night again, so it turned out that was about november and we were going like if we had went to america, like look, at that, like we missed that and the kids meant to do this, but like if we had a winter that could have went sour like really bad.
Speaker 2:Like no, whole flight wasn't for, wasn't for you, like it wasn't meant to be like well, I'm a great believer like that gives me a lot of peace of mind that everything happens for a reason, like I'm a great believer in it and like even things like this there's so many like. If anything, let's give Margot Rose a whole new like self belief in herself, of what she how strong she is, like I always knew she was as strong as that because just like, but maybe she didn't and now she does and like I don't think there's anything that could be putting her away now that she won't fucking get over like you're fucked Anytime you complain about something.
Speaker 1:That's what it's like.
Speaker 2:Well, if anybody knows, knows the crack Anyway with Mark Rose. So you don't get much better Anyway, like Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:We'll see us next time. K run you. If you don't know, fuck that You're going there. Fuck my man.
Speaker 2:Even that, like she, we done that the half marathon and she done that Half marathon, like With tumors half marathon, like with like tumours and all, but didn't have a clue, like, but it just shows you.
Speaker 1:It's like it's placebo, like wherever you. If she knew she had it, she probably wouldn't have showed up yeah, but it's amazing what.
Speaker 2:It's amazing what. Like it's mad how I was always the unhealthy one. Margot was always the healthy one like, and then she gets sick, but like you hear, how common it, that's like there was a thing where like you see, a regular friary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're tracked down almost yeah but uh, do you think that we'll just finish off on, yeah, like the main set thing? Do you think the way you're obviously you're big on the mindset thing now within your coaching, do you think that that helped you as well with everything like it was going on?
Speaker 1:in terms of obviously, like you say obviously, margaret Rose is burning and telling you, like, get out and fucking do you have any work? Get out and do what you have to do, earn money. Kids are like do you think your mindset was like strong throughout as well?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, like it hasn't always been like that. It's something obviously you build over years. You know what I mean. But, um, like I'm very would, be very not guarded, but like I'm very selective with who I spend my time with, always helping, like I have very few people around me. Margaret was quite social and I thought me not being social was like but because it was like small talk and didn't like it.
Speaker 2:But it was the people who you spend your time with. You know, and yeah, the mindset thing for me it's like our sort of opinion on the whole thing was we either lie about, give up, complain about it, moan about it, or we get on with it. There's only two options are yeah, we chose to get on with.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to because of the kids too, so you have to be strong and show, but yeah, like it's built a lot of mental callous that you, you just have to. No matter what's through at you, you have to keep going. Either that or give up, and giving up to me isn't ever going to be an absolute.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean? No matter how many times you want to, that's it. Like I, I look at the best in every scenario. Like the best in every scenario. Like sure, look like because of what's going on in the world and the stuff that's happening to people, and they're like Diego Jara, fucking Diego Jara. Christ this morning died.
Speaker 1:I said my daddy, fuck me, you've got a problem. You know what I mean. Imagine getting the phone call like that and it's like no one's going to say that won't happen in the future to anyone. So it's just like I'm very, very, very rarely in a bad mood ever because that's that's the way I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's always somebody worse off, and how fortunate you are and you're grateful for what you do. You have and it is, it's just your attitude.
Speaker 1:It's just a decision.
Speaker 2:It is just a decision you make, whether you can either sit and piss and run about it or you can get on with things, make the most out of things and see the good things, whatever's going on. You know what I mean. So, yeah, I don't think you can, and even especially you doing what you do at a high performance level you have to ice team.
Speaker 1:All years ago we went to kazakhstan. I was taking hands every day, yeah, and I had to go back and sparking. Next day I was like I was in, the nose was right and my head was melted. It was, my head was pounding. I was like this is what I'm worth. What am I doing this for?
Speaker 1:yeah you know what I mean, but I was like dinner hours and all the next day I come back and just did it all again. You're getting better. I was like it serves people out're fucking dead people, even kill their people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it just he would love my just that people would love to be here like and if I was at home now and someone else was here, if I was the number two on the ice team rather than number one, I'd be fucking loving it. So you always find a way to like even can see all that pain and like agony and nerves, and I was like I always switched it myself. I never really thought this was just. It's just me, I don't know like. No one ever told me that's the way you think. It's just the way I have thought from when I was a kid and it's like sure, listen, if someone I would love to be in this position. If it was someone else, I'd be kicking myself hearing that here. So I'm hearing, I do something about it what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's a good attitude to have, but in my opinion it's the only attitude to have, like you know what I mean, and sometimes it's not always like margaret was sick, you know, sometimes you just need to listen and people want three things like she went through. Obviously, hopefully no one else experiences anything like that, but like it's like sometimes, yes, she has a rate to complain and you just need to listen where you go.
Speaker 1:I don't think about this margaret's going.
Speaker 2:Mark, see you next time. You said I'm going to. I was trying Like if Derv Does a million things.
Speaker 1:A fucking million things Once she's working. She's singing, she's working, she's doing this travel, she's doing the gym, she's doing that, she's cleaning the house, she's emitting, she's like I don't know what else to ask. And there's always I know, but and then I say I'm sure there will and she goes hang on, fuck. The next time she says it, I don't know what to do. And me, you're this.
Speaker 2:Hang on, I'm going to do this I say to Meghan Markle she's always the, but I know, and she's like you're saying it too.
Speaker 1:You're saying I know, but like sure you get this out of the night, but I don't, because I have to go to work. You do? You want to work? You're getting peppered. So at the end of the day and she's like and I'm like, fuck, he's doing my head.
Speaker 2:I've learned now that sometimes you just need to shut up and listen. I know fair enough, you're right.
Speaker 1:You're right we're up in the back but I say, if I do look listen, I'll make you wake up at 10. I know, taken out me for because I'm not going to work like I was up at five this morning.
Speaker 2:You were lying in bed.
Speaker 1:So you know it's like trying to find that happy medium 100%, I know poor fuck and you don't admire what like.
Speaker 2:Honestly, like I never understood until Margot was completely out of the picture there and off her feet and I had the hardest part of this whole thing was doing the lunches.
Speaker 1:Be that's a special account for my my legs, give me a multi-million pound project.
Speaker 2:I might do over doing the waxing.
Speaker 1:I remember Tom Brady when he retired, saying he's going back to play because he says I can't do family. I've been home for three weeks and I just it's harder than getting tackled, fucking, by a 250 pound man hitting me. And that's me. See me going to camp and sparring and trying to put my body through hell. It's, it's. It's a lot easier than going in the house and just see like when I come back from camp it takes me away to like get used to it again adjust and see the other day when I come back from my fit.
Speaker 1:I was in a bad mood on Sunday, just like just pissed, like just wee angels around me. I was like I'm just not used to this, that's what it is. I've been away from the gaff and Carver's on the carver rakes and he's gone. I caught myself on by like Monday night maybe. I was like like this has just took me away and I'm walking around like pissed off. I don't know what it was, but a very small, like short patience. For some reason patience was very thin, yeah, and I don't know why, because I'm like having a make and wait it's easier to get it.
Speaker 1:That gets what it's like and then I just caught myself on. I was like I need no reason, I need to just play with him, just fuck. Hotel room from Thursday to Sunday, yeah, just sit on my phone wherever I want going, eat when I want.
Speaker 2:I was the same.
Speaker 1:working away, I was sitting on my phone and then you come home and you're still in that habit and I just caught myself on it and I was like my patience is thin and I just want to get out on a date and I've got used to doing what I've wanted.
Speaker 1:For the last five days I've been able to just get up and go to a shop when I want. I was waiting for her to get ready and I was like she better hurry up and that was annoying me and I was just fucking myself getting irritated and the car was going. I was like, come on, we'll get down the stairs, come on, we'll get in the car. And then it's like, because you just can't do everything at your own pace anymore, because you're back in the house.
Speaker 1:You're back in the family environment you understand that now I'm back to normal. I'm back, I'm fucking back. You're free, free man, free to go lock me up? No, but listen. Look, I appreciate you coming on and listen let's leave it before we go. So we're working like, let's say, someone in construction wants a bit of advice or wants to just go to Mark Waters. On your on your Instagram page yeah at. Mark Waters construction coach. Yeah, and just reach out and see 100% maybe get a work less.
Speaker 1:Work less, earn more, earn more. What the fuck? It's a no brainer it can be done. I may get a trade yet. No, but listen. I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me on all the best, really enjoyed that in the future.