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The Public Nuisance Podcast
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The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #037 “Not Another One” with Rory Sloan
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome Business Owner, Rory Sloan to the podcast.
We cover Addiction, Going to Prison, Rebuilding a Life with Family, Becoming a PT, helping others with Addiction and much more.
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Speaker 2:up man.
Speaker 1:Yes, cheers for helping me second time in the killing studios. I know good setup, such a setup it was very different from last time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a different set up. I know that's what I was saying when I came in. I couldn't believe, like I didn't even actually expect this, and I was thinking because when I watched, like your podcast or whatever, I'm sitting thinking like, is that in your house? Yeah, like I kind of said, that's mad.
Speaker 1:No, it is picture at the concierge all the gear, no idea. So how's life, how you getting on?
Speaker 2:good, flat out like. Do you know? Obviously started my own business there a year ago on my own sobriety journey. You know, trying to keep my nose clean.
Speaker 1:Stay out of trouble do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:it's just been a tough few years. Obviously went from being a drug addict through my whole teenage years up in the 20s, then getting arrested, going to MacGyver for my 21st birthday. A big hit, you know, and then since I got out just trying to get my shit sorted, basically, yeah, it's a good turnaround, I suppose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you look back on your story, a lot of friends who I grew up with all went to jail and they never they never come out of it like. It seems like a recurring thing when they come out of jail to go back in the jail.
Speaker 2:I have cousins and families do the same thing and I'm like they never change but there's no support for them you know, that's what I'm trying to do now, like as I'm trying to like provide if I could get funding you out, because, like I'm not superman, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I just had a fucking. I just found a reason. You know my, I got my family back in my life, so that was my reason to kind of be like right, let's give this a go. But yeah, you can't expect people to do maybe like a longer stretch and then come out and have no money, no family, no anything like no resources.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what else are you gonna?
Speaker 2:do, do you know?
Speaker 1:that's what I said what's the resources like in jail? Is there any like there's any support in there in terms of?
Speaker 2:well, I got like so I'm dyslexic and suffered obviously bad mental health. Everything was going on at that moment in time do you know what I mean? And I remember I was sitting and obviously they come in, you get mental health help. So you're taken out to like a worker, let's say, and they give me a fucking crossword or like a word search or something. I'm saying I'm dyslexic. This is stressing me out more.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You write me up yeah, there wasn't actually like, see to be fair, like I didn't, I didn't read it like at all you know what I mean, that's somewhere, like you've had emma back in the podcast. That's something we're trying to do and it's something we're trying to push to come from lived experience. You know we've been there. Yeah, you know what I mean. You know we can get in and show you that when you get out, you know there's another road.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You don't need this to fucking be the rest of your life because a lot of there's a lot of things you hear like saying people saying that there's uh, they're like it's easier to get drugs in jail and as they get them in the streets, yeah, that's fucking crazy, I know well, it's obviously it's in there, like you know, flat out, everyone's fucking doing it.
Speaker 2:I was actually, to be fair, I was quite lucky. I was held in remand, you know, for a while. Do you know what I mean? So, and then I was kept in full isolation. So I got two like death threats and all so and all that. There you know kind of thing. So like I don't know if it's because I was young or what was going on, but they kept me in my cell. I was isolated the whole time, away from you know. I was in there, um, like I didn't speak to another human being, apart from when they were coming in to give me my food you know.
Speaker 1:So it was mad I thought they were torturing me. I swear to god like I.
Speaker 2:I know I when I was in I was like I remember going in the first cell. I was like, right, this is dead on, it's clean. Do you know what I mean? At least you know. It was middle of middle of November TV and all I was like fuck, I'm gonna hack this. Do you know what I mean? Sit tight, you know, kind a floor, and then you get put out. Um, when I moved up, shit and blood in the walls, window had been put in, so it was windy, all the rain and all was coming to is freezing and I was trying to get them to like fix it, and they wouldn't fix it. And all this here. And then there was one time I thought they didn't give me my food but they actually put on the top bunk. But I was away on the phone so when I come back.
Speaker 2:I didn't see it and I was cracking up going. I was convinced they were trying to torture me or something you know trying to fucking do all this here. I bet it was mad. You know I wouldn't advise it. I always tell everyone I give it zero stars on TripAdvisor 100%.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Bad reviews, don't fucking bring your food. Windows broke shit on the walls. Fucking someone was on the blanket it was mad.
Speaker 2:Like it was just like see, to be fair, it's kind of like a blur. Now, you know, I think I've like blocked it out a wee bit, like I really have to like think about it, you know, to remember what it was like, but don't plan on going back anytime soon.
Speaker 1:Look, listen, you're doing well now, obviously. And when you, when you came out of there, what was that like? How long were you?
Speaker 2:away in for just about a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah so I was on my mom for a month.
Speaker 2:So basically how it works. In case anyone doesn't know like, you get three chances a bail. Yeah, and I got declined the first two times. So then, um, the third time, I was sitting waiting and I was going I don't know what's going on here and then they said at a zoom call, which was actually this was like a big sort of turning point for me. I hadn't spoke to my mom and dad and probably like properly in like a year, you know, I'd kind of like I'd missed their birthdays, didn't go to my own birthday, all that kind of stuff. I'd moved out and all. And then they said I had a Zoom call and I was like, right, this is them telling me. I said, fucking, sit tight.
Speaker 2:And it would have been like five, six years, I would have been in there. Do you know what I us and what you were doing? But if you're not going to go back to it, we'll try and get you bailing, because I had to be outside East Belfast. So they did to be fair. And then when I got out, you know, anxiety was through the roof. I couldn't even hold a conversation, partly because I hadn't spooked anyone. Yeah, you were stuck in a cell. Yeah, I to like it was like a big hole of shame. Just come onto me, do you?
Speaker 2:know, what I mean. My mum and dad were standing there and, like I couldn't even like I used to get laid into for having fags, do you know what I mean? I was already going to go tell them I was selling drugs do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:so when I got out and then I had to deal with all that, so it was kind of like tell him in the end that obviously they found out why you were arrested, why you were yeah, yeah, so I just became completely honest, just to build that relationship.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? The way like I don't know.
Speaker 1:I can't do anything worse do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:and we have like a relationship now where, like you know it's you know I live away, you know I live in my. It's a far better relationship, but could never move back home like nah you need your own space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100. Especially when you, when you've been living in your own space for a while, it's hard to go back and share a fucking space with parents who still still have rules in the house, whereas you live by your own rules when you're an adult. But uh, it's uh. And then, in terms of like what you do now, what was the first step to like education, like, did you do a PT course or?
Speaker 2:yeah, so I actually did what was the first step after it yeah, so I actually did the PT course before oh before yeah, yeah. So I got like kicked out of school. Mum and dad wanted me to do personal. I went well, wanted to do like a uni course kind of. Thing so I was like great, whatever, fuck it, you know, I don't know what else I wanted to do partied the whole year. I think I was one of Thompson's best members do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:yeah, 100% didn't go, got to the end of that and they were like give 26 assignments on your desk, you fucking lost something you know what I? Mean that one, but no, they didn't, obviously didn't work so I I got my own personal training course, started doing it, actually started cleaning myself up off the drugs, you know what I mean started.
Speaker 2:Pting was sort of living independently by that stage, working full time. Actually did the boxing qualification and that was my like you did the boxing qualification and that was my like you did the pt. And then with the boxing, is it?
Speaker 1:the tech? Is it? Yeah, the tech? Yeah, I did it in the tech. Yeah, and then um, whenever.
Speaker 2:So I started working as a pt I was loving it, you know, cleaning myself up, started doing my first bodybuilding show. Prepping for it didn't go out birthdays, basically not drinking drugs in the head, you know for about a year. And then it was when COVID hit. I was four weeks out from the bodybuilding show, which is obviously when you're like, fully on in the brutal stage and then developed an eating disorder, lost my job because COVID didn't know when gyms were going to open, started sniffing coke and that was me straight into the crime.
Speaker 1:Straight into it, just like it ended, just like during lockdown. You started sniffing coke four weeks ago from like a bodybuilding competition yeah was the bodybuilding competition cancelled yeah, it got cancelled so you were just like fuck it, so it got cancelled and I was just like fuck it.
Speaker 2:Just started eating Domino's, ben and Jerry's, everything and then I just couldn't stop eating. So then I was like started drinking and I just end up getting in debt and having to do a bit of work and then ended up just going way bigger than ever. So it was going to be like you know, just spirals fully out of control then I got to that stage that, like everyone around me, was doing it, you know so that's I mean, I didn't know any different drugs or all.
Speaker 2:That's all you did yeah so it felt normal and looking back on it now I'm saying how the fuck did I even?
Speaker 1:get in that position. Do you know what I mean? No, it's a fucking mad out of life, but I feel like that's part of near enough every area. That happens in every area. Belfast yeah north east, south west, no matter where you are. But there's that group that just do that and there's, like, numerous groups, probably in every area you know and it's like it's fucking because belfast is so small. It's sad to see it's like it's fucking. Cuthbert Foss is so small it's sad to see. It's like fucking.
Speaker 1:I know get on with it, it's ruining people.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? But I do believe that, like some people just don't know any different yeah, you know like if people say to me now, like you can't say I'm a bad person now, I just believe. I was just in a shit situation. I was doing what? And I believe there's a lot of other people that maybe have been brought up around it. You know. You know it's all right in their face and that's all they know.
Speaker 1:And all it takes is for.
Speaker 2:Like I can remember one of my few sessions with Emmett. He was like you're obviously a good entrepreneur, you just have the wrong product. Yeah, you know what I mean. So I'm good at like selling stuff and doing that there. So I think there's a lot of other to give them a different path you know to take it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just educate them. Yeah, just educate them and obviously like growing up if you see someone selling drugs and they're a bit like they've got money and we were a part of it and walking around and you like people, mainly got them, or even found them, or she did and then it's like fucking what's he got.
Speaker 2:It definitely was a big ego thing like fucking all the girls and all around doing me it was just like I am not even joking. If you didn't have the money, I probably wouldn't have been sniffed at by anyone, do you?
Speaker 2:know what I mean you know, see all that plays in your head, you know, and you just say everyone knows who you are. But it all just goes like out there. See, as soon as shit hits the fan, it's gone. I have everyone's turning their back on you. Yeah, it's kind of making stuff. I think you owe a wee f***ing money in there. I know.
Speaker 1:F*** sake, it just fails at a control. It's just a baggy end of being, I suppose. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's short lived. You know and I understand you know, like you actually say that I do talks in like schools and stuff where, like youth clubs, maybe with vulnerable people, quid you're making at the start. That's a load of money but, like I went from three or four hundred quid to probably you know a couple of grand quickly and then all of a sudden, like you, get robbed five, ten k because they're not getting a talking to you anymore. You're getting a good scene too, do?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean and like people don't understand, because whenever the person giving them it isn't gonna say like if you don't pay this, this is the consequence. You don't pay it, then you find the consequence yeah, no one's told that. You know what I mean. It's just making that aware that, like what you see on tv is kind of real, like I know people not really knowing as people know what happens.
Speaker 1:Obviously, like yourself, you probably thought I'll be all right, I'll never go down that road yeah, like I'll never. I'll never go down that road where I sniff all right, get robbed, I'll be all right yeah before you know what happens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you know what I? It's never going to happen to me. Yeah, do you know what I mean, don't get me wrong. Like I still have friends that are stuck in addiction and stuff, and you know, and they're stuck down a bad road and I'm just like, would you just learn from my mistakes?
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean? Do you ever, do they ever reach out for help?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have a few I. So what I do in my one of my programs is I mentor people in the gym so I try and get them sober and then bring them into the gym and then use the gym as like getting positive dopamine you know all that there and make you feel a good discipline basically just teaches you everything. But so he started coming to me there three days a week. He was there on a Saturday morning, so it kept him sensible on a Friday night. You know he was coming twice during the week. He was working a proper job do you know what I mean? And he was doing well, but he did just lose his job. So he's kind of gone off the rails again. I'm trying to tell him. I'm getting back at him, do?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean? It's very. It's one trigger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, and it does steer people.
Speaker 1:I had a few bad things in a row and I was just like I was kind of giving it the I can't control that.
Speaker 2:You know, it is what it is. And then from going back I went back to Emmett there and he was saying maybe I wasn't actually dealing with it, you know, and then one big thing kind of just happened. It wasn't even that big, but I think it was just all built up together and I was just sitting in the house and.
Speaker 2:I was like, and I had a choice To go up to my missus' house and sit with her or just stay in the house by myself, but it took me like An hour to make the decision. Do you know what I mean? But I was like If I had to stay in the house by myself, I couldn't guarantee that I wouldn't have Went to the Russells. Lord, I know I I say it like I'm the time of your life I know by yourself.
Speaker 2:Change on fucking taxing every I know, then the next day you know what the fuck just happened I know it would go again, but it would ruin my, it would ruin everything.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean all roads lead to mcgabin, I know, but it is true like that's probably where you would end up going you know what I mean like it's very, it'd be very hard, and I understand, like if you did relapse just to not be like fuck it. Do you know what I mean? It's just the consequences that come with it like if you really understand the consequences.
Speaker 1:It's like fuck me if I go back to the hotel again. I know I'm not going to be shitting them all to you. I know, leaving my wee bed, I'm going to go over the thing, but I it's just trying to tell people.
Speaker 2:You know, at the end of the day, everyone has to make their own decision. You know my, to be honest, what actually made me sort of. I never went back to the court case that lasted two years, yeah, and it wasn't until she, the judge, asked me to do a six-month drug test and no one standing behind me supporting me and you had still been on it, like I was working in David Lloyd's with a grandma in my pocket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know no one even knew it was just and that was in my always are like you know what I mean. And then she asked her to do a six-month drug test and I was like no, it was on last night because I thought you were putting me away for the next three years and I was just thinking, like you know, I'd actually rather you threw me away right now instead of having to deal with everyone behind me.
Speaker 2:But, to be fair, like missus and all stayed with me and supported me. So I was like, right boy, pants up here and fucking give it a rattle but I just had to cut everyone off.
Speaker 1:I just went, ghost yeah, that's the best way to do it like, isn't it?
Speaker 2:and then, like all some friends you know, we do like super days a month where we'll go and do something where there's no drinking drugs involved yeah, you know, do you ever be around like, do you ever be in like a pub environment, or yeah, it took me ages you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean so like I tried to go to a bar maybe two or three months in spilt my blackcurrant and all because I was shaking so much, just sweating like pure buckets of sweat and then. So I never really tried it again after that. And then I started going to bars to watch football and all I start I can drink zero, zero Guinness.
Speaker 1:Now you know, so I feel like accessible to have and then I actually went to Benidorm the lads holiday last.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just completely stone cold. So we're like they were all on the stuff and all it was actually. I knew they were really good mates of mine so I knew they would be more angry at me for getting on it, but I knew it was going to be there, so I knew it was like it's almost like you build yourself up to know what's what's ahead of you. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You're very prepared for it yeah, yeah and then you know the people that are around you. Would be like no.
Speaker 2:Even though they're on it, like they didn't bring it out in front of me once bar, we were actually just outside benidorm and um I was like fuck this, I'm gonna go to bed. These are all talking muck, do you know?
Speaker 1:what I mean that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:I woke up at about seven or eight. They were all still on it just looking at each other, not speaking, and I actually give me clarity. I was like I don't look like I got anymore.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean? We could have went either way I could have been like fuck this if you think back to being like being on the antenna, you'd be getting anxiety.
Speaker 2:I know when I was thinking like I was worse than that. Do you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, I know it's mental. It's mad to think that there's a massive world out there where that is like well, what the fuck like? There's people out there who have never been in that situation and have never seen anyone who has been in that situation and if they did see that from the outside, looking in, they would be like what the fuck. Well, that was like my mum and dad it's like see, do you know, when I see videos on like tiktok, of like um skid rowing on places in.
Speaker 1:Philadelphia, where they're all hunched over and cracked out or like people, a cameraman going up there. I was like hey, do you need help you? Okay? And they're just like yeah, yeah, and I'm like what the fuck? Imagine walking down there that's like alien to me. But see, like a house party where everyone's just sitting sniffing gear, talking shit. That's not alien to me, that's normal, I know. But see there's, you're freaking out the same way I would going on the skid row.
Speaker 1:I know it's perspective. It's perspective. You know what I mean. Like you said, it's where people go up, it's the environment you go up around and it's normal. People think it's normal, like you thought it was normal to go and fucking take care and drink and sell drugs. And it was.
Speaker 2:I was the yeah, it was easy like it was.
Speaker 1:The normal people just need to obviously be educated on it, or that. It's not. It's not like really educated on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to get into schools and youth groups, trying to get them young before they get into that sort of like 16, 17 or like around that age is that the age bracket, you would say, where people break so when I actually yeah, when I actually I've worked with a few clients now and you know that age 14 seems to be the trigger point everyone's testing the weed and all do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:and I think it is because you go. I know, even looking from mine, you go from being the oldest in P7, billy Big Balls, to the youngest and then you're trying to fit in with the older people.
Speaker 2:So then you start going. Next thing, you know, you realise it makes you feel better. You know what I mean. But I think at 14 age group and then when you get to that like 16, obviously people are leaving school, going to like tech. They have a lot more freedom. And then people leaving up or 6th or whatever. If they get there, going to uni, and all of a sudden they don't have to hide it you know, anymore and people are trying it and like.
Speaker 2:The thing about addiction is you can't go to the doctor and get a blood example and they're like oh, you've got addictive genes you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You don't know until you try it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's why it's so dangerous, yep 100%.
Speaker 1:It's like it's. I think I think every I have this thing. I mean, I haven't a fucking clue because I'm not qualified. I don't think that I'm talking about, but I think everyone is addicted to something 100% and that's it. I could be training, I could be an addictive person. I'd rather train, I could be. I just think everyone has an addiction to something.
Speaker 2:It's just well, if you think of your phone like that's what I say to people. Put your phone away for a full day, write down how many times you think about it and how many times you go get it. Things now, whether it's work or training, you know, but I'm addicted to positive things you know things that you know. Give me all that the drugs give me, but hopefully without the crash and the burnout.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean because I've had friends in the past where they're still friends, but they've went from next day. When we were younger, say around fucking 10 and I'm never smoking weed, smoking fake smoke and weed, yeah and then obviously drinking, whenever we were 13, 14, as we get older, they were always, and then they were taking coke like fuck, then they were taking prescription tablets yeah then the staff taking prescription tablets got themselves all fat.
Speaker 1:But then there were the snuffing bags here every day of the week yeah and then they were stopped, then off of gear, and then they were in the bookies every day and I had to swap. Don't know what to do with their money. They're just going on the. I mean you're not actually helping yourself. You'd be better off just coming right back to starting just being smoking weed and just fucking starting.
Speaker 1:I mean because you're trying to go off. You're on the drink flat out and then you stop drinking and you're smoking weed flat out. Then you're saying the weed's putting your head away, so you start smoking weed and then you're going fucking on taking tablets, and then your tablets are fucking making you like, so you're sailing to.
Speaker 1:Paris and you're fucking, looking like an idiot your head's lit, so you go off of tablets and then you're sniffing coke and then you're fucking, and then that, and then you're like fucking, you go off of that coke and then you're scamming, going to someone else.
Speaker 2:And you're going. What the fuck?
Speaker 1:is going on Like, obviously, when I've my, one of my mates was doing that and I was like I was probably about 21, 22 at that time, he was probably about 20, and I remember going like this c*** can't do anything without being addicted to something, he has to find addiction.
Speaker 2:Then he joined MMA and he was training four times a day yeah, flat out, and I was like that's what I say to people and I was like what the f***?
Speaker 1:it's just like I mean, he's just, he's just, he's just, he wants to do like at least he was doing MMA rather than fucking 100%.
Speaker 2:That's what I like. So my program that I run like. So I obviously fitness is massive, though basically I believe it's good for everyone. It keeps discipline gives you. It gives you everything that drugs give you. You know what I mean. But then it also helps you deal with pain. You know all that there. It builds mental. I just think it's fucking, no matter what kind of training you want to do, I think it's just, it is the best way. And even for an addict like oh, my clients end up becoming addicted to the training. You know, and I always say like you're better If you think sober helps your head. You know it's money. You're still gonna be better off financially anyway, 100%. But you need to put it in there. Whether it's going and joining a boxing club or coming for PT or fucking buying new shoes to go for a run, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You have to invest yourself in a positive way people invest themselves in a negative way yeah, that's them sweet that are recovered.
Speaker 2:That's when the relapse comes around and hits you like a fucking slap. You're never recovered. No, I don't believe you are. You're always an addict. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:I believe you're always an addict A hundred percent, as the others are like you just said. Yeah, like I know people have been 10 years and it was actually his daughter married 10 years. What the fuck you wouldn't know yourself?
Speaker 2:I know, and how do you turn that around then?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean. Well, like surely, like I don't know. It's a weird one, because I always feel like if I relapsed after 10 years, I would go like, say, I don't know if it's drugs or all that, but like if I was to go fucking wake up I would be like, oh jeez, I need something. And again, never again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I would near enough scorn myself if I feel like it, but obviously it's not the case.
Speaker 2:Well then, obviously from an addict's point of view, or if you're addicted to the substance thing, then you'd be like fuck, I feel so ashamed. How do you not feel ashamed? Just go back and drink. Yeah, back on again. The worst thing you can do, you know deal with it, find out why, work on it and like build a thing around it to help deal with that scenario so it doesn't happen again, do you? Know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like that whole year of me trying to get supervised, maybe like a week, sometimes a queue, fuck it do you know what I mean but that's what the head was like, you know, and it was only until I realised that, like, genuinely, I can't stop when I start. That's what people say, surely you could go out for one, and then I see nothing. I was like I might have been on TikTok and it was like one's too many. Yeah, you know, and that's 100%. Do you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean I'm like, well, I have. I have an addictive personality towards alcohol but like I wouldn't. I go off and drink for weeks and weeks when I'm training all the time and. I drink, it's just not being able to stop. Yeah, I don't want to stop. Yeah, you just want to keep her lit I want to keep her lit and I'll like until, like I drink myself. It's just telling nothing, do you want it?
Speaker 2:no more, and I'm like a lot of times I need to ride home.
Speaker 1:I need to ride home, and that's just comes from like and then you stop the next day like you'll just be like the next day, I'll get up fucked and I'll drink again like I'll have an. I'll have a cure, like, and then I'll be exhausted, like earlier in the day, yeah, so I bit early, yeah, and next day I'll probably go up with brandy, so it's always a two days, it's always two days drinking, so like at least you're aware of it, though do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, I know I'm very aware of it and, to be honest, we actually want to change it. I want to, I want to stop, I want, I would love this to stop. I was on holiday here and like we're burning time, great time, what. Like the next rest of us, I would like we're the wedding. And then we went like the day before the wedding we got to the, we got to the hotel and stuff, had a drink, had something to eat, had a couple of beer and was like right, we're getting there late, went to bed early, grew up the next morning, went training yeah, having breakfast, went to the pool, fucked about all day get ready, went to the wedding pre-drinks drink and had a brunette atadding. Was like a bit late. And then we get home because everywhere was closed. We just went home at like half two, woke up the next morning still a wee bit like wavy not wavy, still a wee bit drunk.
Speaker 1:And then my wife was like don't be drinking. To her lady. I was like fuck up anyone's, I'm not because that's my attitude. It's like fuck up Willie. I'll just be cheeky, because that's what I want yeah, she's like saying we've got a full day and there's a full day two.
Speaker 1:They had put a day two on so it was like fuck it all with so I swear to half it was good that day. And then we went up on day two fucking back on the drink. Again had a laugh fucking all night. Again black the game. By night everyone was closed, again back home at the bed.
Speaker 1:And then the day the third day then was that like basically the weapon was over yeah and then I got up and just said the same thing again, like sean, don't be drinking too early, because we're going for a nice dinner. Now we've got all shit and I was like fuck it and I went on the rip again I was just because that's all I was thinking about. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's whenever you get started.
Speaker 1:I'm on my holiday yeah, and I'm going. I was telling you to take your age off. But then you take your age off, now that's the other one, and when you're having that laugh, all the people are off. Now I'm like fuck it dinner. And I'm like, and then I get cheeky, and that's just. That's why I'm like fucking you just.
Speaker 2:I was probably trying to get to that stage where you like.
Speaker 1:I know what sort of relationship I have where I love it it's the truth, I love the crack I have on it. Well, so do. I, but it's just the problem is when I just get to that point where I'm like my wife can see, right, that's enough.
Speaker 2:But I'm like fuck up.
Speaker 1:How's that enough. I'm arguing the fact she can see that it's that's enough like you say a thousand. A thousand's not enough, but one's too much.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, 100%, like I, definitely. I say to people like even there's no point, like I'm not gonna judge anyone for taking it if you can go out and you can party once a month and go on the road and stop and go to work, fucking fair play to you happy days.
Speaker 2:I wish I could do that. You know what I mean, because there's no point in lying like it's fun. That's why you do it. Do you know what I mean? But it's whenever it starts knocking on to everything else. Do you know what I mean? That's when you need to realize I won't be.
Speaker 1:I'm not, I'm not drug user like, so I just all just beer, drink, drink, drink. Like we're in holiday and I'm just drinking every day flat out. Not even I thought of drugs in my head. I'm just like on the beer, I love you, but it's just like I always say you know what I always. You know what I'm starting to tell myself now, like when I get home, I'm like, fuck, getting on holiday like I. We didn't do one thing that she wanted to do because I wanted to drink with her yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm like like the last time I went on a holiday and done an excursion, I couldn't tell her, because now I'm like, once we land, I'm like, or once we get to the airport pint pint pint, pint. That's even on the flight. I'm like international airport if, and the wee sureness is like, call them and hurry up. They've got a drink up here and they're like it's like it's because you have that kind of like attachment's not the right word, but do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:like when you think holiday, you think fuck it. I'm getting off like imagine, would you try, ever try, and go on holiday without it.
Speaker 1:I would love to, I would love to try would be more. I would do more excursions. I would probably have more fun yeah, because. I'd be out in jazz keys, I'd be up there fucking that's what people think.
Speaker 2:You need alcohol to fun and I thought it you know for ages, but I don't need it. I'm riddled with tits. Do you know what I mean? I go out and I club. I probably lick it off my tits more than anyone else you know what I mean? The cook just made me sit down and stop speaking to everyone where we're now. Whenever, like if I go out, I'm probably the one chatting the ear off of me. You know what I mean. If I'm comfortable, that is.
Speaker 1:I'm uh like nature. I used to go out all the time, sober, all the time, yeah, and uh, dance away, have a laugh, and every now this was probably only a couple of years ago and I was like, how the fuck do you do that? I was like just have to do it dancing, all messing about seeing. I just feel like just when we've got more known in boxing and we've got like more of a name, people start talking shit in my ear all the time.
Speaker 1:I've got less patience for it yeah whereas before I used to go out, no one would even fucking come near me and be out dancing having a laugh, joking yeah, when are you?
Speaker 2:probably a ramblers coming to arm, run you and all my patients are just thin with shit like that. I just want to go out and enjoy myself that's probably a double handed sword, like I know, so I'm like fucks sake, it's part of it, it's all part and parcel what you do, but I mean it.
Speaker 1:I'd love to maybe go out. I'm going to give it a go. I have a wedding next week, so I'm going to go to that. I'm going to be sober, that's the first step.
Speaker 2:You all heard it here first. I heard it here first you were drinking my hand up.
Speaker 1:Batter says 001, or else he's going to Hit me in the mouth.
Speaker 2:No, it's definitely. I definitely think Everyone should try it. Do you know what I mean? And it's fucking say like I always have an escape plan. So if I go like I like she would have christmas parties or whatever, or if we're going to like a wedding or something, I always drive, yeah, and I don't. I I'm not comfortable in my sobriety now, like or like to be fair. If I feel uncomfortable anywhere, I'm just like I'm leaving yeah that's why I said because I want to do.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Explanation I'm going away do you know what I mean and it's when I got comfortable doing that. You know it makes me feel more comfortable going places. Yeah, you know, like because you're in control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the worst thing about it. People have this thing where they feel like they're being ignorant. Yeah, yeah, but they're being ignorant if they're trying to force you to drink, of course you have a oh no. Do you want me to drink? No, I don't drink. You don't drink? Why I don't? Know, and they screw your face up, but it's the same thing, but see if you've done that in America. It's like oh okay, do you want a Coke? It's like in Ireland.
Speaker 2:It's very important drink was made nowadays and they weren't able to tax it.
Speaker 1:It'd be illegal, it'd be illegal.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? I mean a million percent and then that's where, like even I have conversations with my mum, mum and dad and they're like I will, like they would drink quite a lot. You know, for me I call them alcoholics do you know what I mean and they're like I would sure drinks, legal drinks. You know what I mean. You know like there's fucking and people don't realise it.
Speaker 1:Just because you can go to a wine mart and buy it, you know like doesn't mean it's safer it's mad to think like during lockdown it would be always closed and like wine forers and stuff were allowed to open, all the off leases were allowed to open because it's like it's cheap. You know it's over a year.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what it is anymore six or seven quid.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and that's.
Speaker 2:I just think. That's just, it just shows you like I think I think drugs are too far gone, but I think if the government could tax it, yeah, and they difference probably is, like you know, coke's mixed with fentanyl all. Now, do you know what I mean, where, like if the government had control over it, you'd like to think it'd be pure do you know what I mean as pure as it can be where now like people are just trying to make money off you.
Speaker 1:They don't really care what happens to you after they get the just a chance of action once the money's there see you laterur.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I loved it you tested it.
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll tell you what's good, even like smelling it, looking at it I actually was so involved in it. When I look back at the time, I was proud of it, and when I look at it now, it's just like your head's fucking lit yeah, do you know any way people fantasize over cars. Exactly what I was hit with by like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It was just like. This goes to show you. I'm just going to say I'm not still here you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I always say they're big for a reason. I just walk around with a big two KFC straws, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But was there any like dark moments, like where you've just like I'm like fuck like before, like your sobriety? In a very dark place because obviously it's a common thing with people and I think that probably would lead to a lot of suicides in Belfast, majority of them, I would say 100% like.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've attempted suicide several times, even involved in all that. You're partying all the time, do you know what I mean? And then fucking, all of a sudden everyone's left and you're sitting there with your wee plate going what the fuck am I doing? And then I have someone ringing me at 7 in the morning saying you have to pay this bill and I'm just like fuck this.
Speaker 1:I'm out of here. You know what I mean. I always have a thing where I'm like if you're in debt, and then we'll put. See, the thing is, I was never really in debt.
Speaker 2:I just because I've been on it. I was just I'm not fucking because I'm like I don't want to go and get the money to pay you do you know what I mean but the money's sitting there, just relax do you know what I mean. Nothing's going to happen here in the next six hours might want to leave the country, yeah but, do you know what they're like? Do you know they're just?
Speaker 2:the same way I would have been with. It's definitely dark, dark places like. But again, I just like even something. I got kidnapped once, you know what I mean, and I got. When I got out of it, I just went straight to Thompson's and just partied and I was like I'm Superman, you know what I mean do you know what I mean, but it's just like all the stuff.
Speaker 1:I see it. You said there like you kidnapped once. That's madness, that's fucking insane. Many people they aren't like I wouldn't. I don't know one person that's been like grabbed and held hostage or kidnapped for or held like that was normal to me and the first thing you done when you get out was go to a fucking nightclub and party. That's like the first thing. Like we were talking about this last week on a podcast. We were in John Bittles, we were in the bar.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:So the first thing people do when they get out of the bar is, after a night in the cells, go straight for a pint.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which probably put them on first place.
Speaker 2:Now. I would do the same. I understand If I got out.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh, I'd be landing that cell thing, the pain, and you get released and then you go over and have a drink and it's like you're thinking, you're telling yourself, oh it makes for a good story, but it's insane, it's mental, it's insane, it's fucking mental. Do you know?
Speaker 2:what I mean. And I was like I went to Thompson's my face and all was swollen. I should have been in hospital, that's just. But looking back on it now I'm like like that was just a normal Tuesday yeah, that didn't. It wasn't like I wasn't sitting going. Fuck, that was nuts do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Fucking, fuck, let's get on it. Where now I'm sitting going like how, how is that normal? In any way? Do you know what I mean? But you're just. You hear, when you're in that kind of like, fuck, I'm still here yeah, getting the rip and so see like what, like what.
Speaker 1:What encouragement would you give to people that like staff, like, because it's a big fear thing. It's like people are. So people are in fear of being judged first of all, but are scared of like taking that step forward to like go and get help yeah um step forward to like go and get help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, it's like like I always think like my mentality's different because of fucking I'm not in that position or I've never been in that position. But it's like, how do you encourage people? I, I just always seem to think there's so much like shit and all like suicides. They're all, they're all constant drugs or people that need help, but you can never encourage them. Like if you tell people like how do you encourage people to go and get help?
Speaker 2:like, yeah, I, just I, me personally, I'm gonna go a bit of smoke up my own arse here, but I do think that's why, like, because it's completely built on lived experience there's absolutely zero judgment. Whenever you reach out to me, you're not going to say anything that I haven't done, if not worse. Do you know what I mean? And I think it's trying to find someone. Like when I went through my. I went through a restorative justice program. It took a year because the guy and I was really good, but the guy in front of me had never taken a drug in his life. I know exactly how you're feeling. I've probably been there, you know, so I can deal with it and reach you at a human level. Like I don't sit here now and go fuck, I'm better than all you because I'm sober.
Speaker 2:I'm single and I'm just someone that's been through it and just want to help you get out the other side, because I know what it's now like to get out the other side and a lot of people feel stuck and feel like mean like anyone can do it.
Speaker 2:You just need to get out and like one. I would just say reach out to someone that's in recovery doesn't necessarily need to be me, you know. Like someone. Yeah, if you know someone, most people would know someone that's you know around. On tiktok, there's loads of people talk about it.
Speaker 1:I talk about it.
Speaker 2:Reach out to me if you want and then like make a plan. You know, invest in to get into sobriety. You know, go to therapy. You know, deal with why you're taking the drugs. You know, take all them steps.
Speaker 2:It's obviously the problem is the minute as places are so tight with funding you know there's waiting lists and all you know which is why, like with my program, I do a 10-week program which I've got like over 25 people sober within the 10 weeks, but I get it in real life. You know they're still being tested every day, you know. So that's why there's the stay super yeah, it's not like rehab where you lock them away and then bring them out, but like I make it as cheap as possible because obviously it's like still needs paid.
Speaker 2:You know it's paid for me to put my full time into it, but like it's costing you less than a half gram exactly a week to do it, you know what I mean. And if you're really interested in doing it, you know, just have a half gram less and try it yeah, do you know what I mean? 100%, see how you're on yeah, do you know what I mean? And like I mean I people always say to me I need to charge more for it, but at this stage I'm just like I just want to help as many people while I have the time and I'm free, you know, give me as many people as you can.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, just send them just send them your way and just fucking a marked lived experience, plus my mentor and plus my personal training, which is, do your whole nutrition, everything all under one roof and you just, you know, cheaper than a normal PT yeah, see, that's brilliant, like it's like fucking cause, like my fucking like.
Speaker 1:I have a friend I remember he went, he went to hospital and all and he tried to kill himself. So he went to fucking, went to hospital, went to the hospital. They were like we can't see, you can't help you because you're you're still like you're taking drugs, like I'm only taking drugs. That's why I'm fucking want help. I know I want help. They couldn't get him help because he had to be sober. So they didn't say his mental health is like they didn't say his mental health, is legit mental health, yeah because, he's taking drugs because he's not sober.
Speaker 2:And he says he's taking drugs because he's not sober and he says but he's taking drugs because he can't fucking deal with it.
Speaker 1:He says I can't deal with him at all. That's why I'm taking drugs and the Queen needed help. The Queen didn't do anything. I remember I brought him to the hospital and I sat with him all night and I was like fuck me, this is ridiculous. And then it was just back and forth and and I was like the film needs help. Is there any like? Is there a private someone I'll pay into? We can't recommend a private facility. Do you know a name for any?
Speaker 2:you need to use google this is a fucking shit, but do you know what it is as well? There's no help at all. Someone that's just trying to get out of work you know that's probably had a freaking hangover for a few days not someone that actually seriously struggling, like I just think, as a human being. How can you stand in front and just be like no, exactly not calling anyone out like but at the same time, like come on the fuck.
Speaker 2:Someone's crying out for help and you know at least a name to give someone, just give it.
Speaker 1:We can't, we can't, we can't recommend a private because we we don't work with them, we don't know exactly what they do, we can't vouch for them, basically if something goes wrong, I don't want it to come back on me so you'll need to do your own research. And I says fuck, no sweat, I'll see you later. What was the point of coming there and sitting there?
Speaker 2:for no reason. Fuck you fucking waste of time, but it is I'm trying to get like I would take referrals flat out you know, take them all in, and that's where people are going. You know what I mean, but it's just a nightmare.
Speaker 1:How many people would you be able to take in at one time? Like it's just what happens if you were just overundated. Just take them in anyway, because you're helping because you want to help as much working.
Speaker 2:You know I'm I've been work since four o'clock this morning. You know training with people. You know what I mean to come here to this and I'll go back this evening. You know I I love doing it. Do you know what I mean? So like I've what? 18 now they come to three times a week. I say I could probably fit another 30 and like yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:that's great. That's bernard. That's because I enjoy doing it.
Speaker 2:You know, obviously when you get into the recovery side like when people come in, just obviously some of them are now sober and they're more just ptn. But I'm there if they need a bit of a top up or they're tight. But when someone comes in for recovery, you know it's a lot more intense, you know. So if I was doing that I would need to work out how many I could do today. But like I have no issue if people are happy to get up, get up early. I have no. I meet you there at 10 past three if you want do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:you know, it doesn't bother me, yeah yeah, it doesn't bother me at all.
Speaker 2:You know, I would happily I would drive to meet them. I think if I got funding I'd be able to go to organisations that I'm already with you know work within that and then bring them to my gym or, you know, do stuff like that there. But it's just a nightmare. I'm trying to actually know people.
Speaker 1:I know it's getting in the know now it's, it's having, it's giving you the time and like, like, even trusting you, they're probably going who the fuck's this? Yeah, what's this? What's this? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:And it's because it's something that's different. Yeah, you know, shit started getting sorted. Nothing's changed, everything's got worse do you know what I? Mean where I'm now coming at it from a completely different approach. You know, we have Emmett there who does the trauma therapy.
Speaker 2:And then you come to me and you've got not only doing the physical fitness but someone that actually knows what you're talking about. You know how people say when they go to the barber, my barber's, my therapist, which, like, come to me as a PT. But I actually know what you're going through yeah, yeah, do you know what I mean? So I'm not just saying oh yeah, that sounds shite, do you know?
Speaker 2:what I mean, I actually give you advice on how to get past it and do it. So it's like you're killing two birds with one stone. I think it's just something that, like, I think it would manage, for the jealousy too. You know what I'm saying as young I'm 24, 15 years to get to you know, and I think, people are like oh well, you know why or how are you doing this, which I?
Speaker 2:don't think it matters like. I would rather like work with 10 people, 10 organisations, because then you're helping 10 more than the amount of people so that's the way I look at it, where I think a lot of people are quite like. This is my area, this is my community.
Speaker 1:I'm only hurting my own ears, you, yeah but then that's the Northern Irish mindset yeah for everything.
Speaker 2:Everything in Leifric yeah, I think the whole, the whole mindset is just like everyone's just enclosed in this wee bubble and I'm like you know there's like a whole other world out there, I know, I know that's it.
Speaker 1:It's fucking people. It's hard for people to see it that, like the vision there won't be much vision outside of, and what they've, what they've seen, you know what I mean. It's just that, to go back to that normality thing, that's what's normal today.
Speaker 2:I know, but it normally doesn't work.
Speaker 1:No, it's generally not, and that's why you feel the way you feel and that's why you are the way you are and people go to me.
Speaker 1:Like the amount of times I've had people go to me fuck, I don't know how you do mindset. Yeah, that's just, I've grown. I've grown up around you. I've grew up using my whole life. You've been taking a drink and stem coke, smoking, weed, you fucking, you name it. They've been doing it. Yeah, I've never done it, so I'm sitting with you. Yeah, I come. I just chose not to because it's I know you did. Why did you want to understand'll?
Speaker 2:never understand.
Speaker 1:I didn't qualify to tell you why you wanted to do it, or maybe trauma or something, or maybe you want to fit in. I just didn't feel like I still feel part of the crowd and still feel yeah, no, I know that, and I think that is, like you know, fair play.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? Because there's a lot of people.
Speaker 1:No, but the first thing they always say to me is I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because they can't do it without it.
Speaker 2:They can't do it without it.
Speaker 1:But you did it once before you'd done it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Before you'd first done it.
Speaker 2:You lived without it. You lived without it, so yeah, it is just hard to get back in that mindset. Yeah, I suppose you know, it is definitely and one thing I say to people so you have to take accountability, and that's probably the hardest thing about getting into recovery, because obviously whenever you're on drugs like maybe stealing- doing drugs.
Speaker 1:It was him. Do you know what I mean? He stuck a great grandma. He stuck a grandma pee up my nose. Do you know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, I didn't touch it, it was him. Hold him down, fucking, shove up. You know what I mean. But one of my mates.
Speaker 1:He fucking, he fucked on the run of holiday and he fell out with another friend and he said what happened. He says he's a fucking rat, he spooked me. I was like what do you mean? He spooked you and he says I have pink cocaine. It's Lace with ketamine as well. So he fucked him in the nightclub and he whacked a big gram of pink, or not a gram. He asked him for a bit, right, right, he hadn't. He thought what was it, but it had pink and he stuck it. He stuck it on a key or something and he gave him it. And the fan talking about talking about Blast. I'm like fuck. So the next time he was leaving Ocean Beach he called Mock because they actually had a can of Mock, it's mixed with ring, apparently I don't know what, but people share coke and it's.
Speaker 1:I love pink cocaine it's just one of the mates come walk so they had to be carried home and he was when they were recording. He was just like a fucking jelly man, yeah, but uh, he was fucking. He ended up. He fucking fell. The other fella, the other mate and he won't speak to him. He's like he fucking. He knew where he's at, he spanked me, he spanked me you asked for it and you, you put your head in there and sniffed it.
Speaker 2:I will see my mates. I bet he didn't give me too much. You sniffed it, you fucking I know. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:you cut his ears. Take me a bit off it.
Speaker 2:You knew what you were at see my mates did used to play. I used to take the cat for a while and then I just fucking hated it. I hated black.
Speaker 1:The reason I liked the cook was because I me veg out and I would have been like I better be married to a few more.
Speaker 2:And I'd have been here rocking his line, and they'd rock me. A line of cat, just me not even looking at it and for someone that hasn't taken it, taking a line of cat, that was me, I remember sitting and crawling on the floor and all thinking. I don't even think, I actually don't even remember everything turned into and go and walk them.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:As soon as I got out of there I was like I'm going to fucking murder you.
Speaker 1:A lot of people go into like recovery take mushrooms. Have you ever taken mushrooms when you get there?
Speaker 2:I've never taken mushrooms in recovery or anything Like I'm quite like.
Speaker 1:You just want a wee fuck because you think, do you think something got me triggered? Well yeah, what I mean? Like you, know.
Speaker 2:That's why you know all the other stuff, like there's different medicines out there that people go do, like some people do, that DMT and all you know DMT and mushrooms, yeah, and all that there, and I'm just like, what if I loved it?
Speaker 1:and I just come home and start.
Speaker 2:I was like fuck, I'm gonna get that off of someone else down here.
Speaker 1:It's amazing and they're like well, when you get a day up, we'll go camping, we'll get the end time. Like get the last thing I'll be doing your head kiss. Yeah, they're like oh, you don't have to take it, see I used to hate psychedelics.
Speaker 2:I took acid all a few times, near fucking off myself both times I took it.
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Speaker 2:I've been to the. I walking around Musgrave with a mask on grabbing a read, you know what I mean grabbing all around you, eating all the sweets.
Speaker 1:I know couldn't even eat them.
Speaker 2:I got to eat them. They're pretty bad fuck me.
Speaker 1:So listen what going forward. You want to get the funding yeah who can we get? We need to get someone we know to get you funding there has to be someone. There's a praise guy someone is that. Is it someone who's like? You just need someone to invest and like someone to invest?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's even like yeah so I have, like I have the whole document all read out. I've been to corporate companies, you know, like solicitors and all they're trying to say, because they have like money that they set aside to put back into the community. And you know, instead of giving me 10 grand, you buy like 20 licenses, for example. Like I can't remember there's another price in my head but say just, for example, for them, 20 licenses will put 20 people through the 10 week program, yeah, and you can get all the like, you can get all the data, you can get all the thing.
Speaker 2:Obviously the client has to be happy you know, but you can then see what your money's doing yeah, you know, instead of just like some charities, you know probably get like for 100 grand. You know, and you don't actually really know where it's going yeah you know, like I know, some charities get like burnsy castles on.
Speaker 2:You're meant to be dealing with freaking serious shit here. You know what I mean. Where, like, where I would like to do is like show, because I would like to keep people on. You know, keep private funding would be a thing that I would like to try and keep yearly. You know, keep them coming in. So I like to show them results. Show them what their money's doing. You know, show them how they're betting in their community whether they want to give me people that maybe and a lot of companies don't want to admit you know that people work for them or sitting on the gear flight you know what I mean, but it's true they are.
Speaker 2:So, whether you want to like, it's hard most of the time, fuck's sake but it's just like you know, so they can see what their money's doing, see how it's benefiting people you know, see the results you know, so they're actually part of yeah, part of the recovery, it's part of it it looks good for a company you know they're trying something new that works, you know 100%.
Speaker 1:I understand. It's just probably like having the trust in someone to do it, but like, yeah, it could even be a trial thing for like, alright, give me a month in, give me one more. Give me no, give me 10 weeks, give me one 10 week block. Yeah, funding first and then we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2:More, yeah, do you know what I mean and then people go fuck.
Speaker 1:That was good.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean yeah, just saying I actually offer. You know, just put one person through it, yeah, and take the feedback if you want. But I have all the like testimonies from everyone that's been through it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but it's just trying to get people to take. The problem with sort of big corporate companies is, by the time you go to them, they're all tied their money up.
Speaker 1:Yeah do you?
Speaker 2:know what I mean, and you just need someone to at risk. Do you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, well, if there's any big fucking names out there, give them a chance give them a chance to change people's lives. You know what I mean we'll change people's lives.
Speaker 2:I know we will 100%.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Well, look, listen, we'll wrap it up here and I appreciate you coming on, fella, you're doing a wonderful job.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me keep it up. Good man cheers.