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The Public Nuisance Podcast
Host Sean McComb interviews various guests
The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #049 It’s a Dirty Game with Ryan Burnett
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome former Unified Bantamweight World Champion, Ryan Burnett to the podcast.
We cover schoolboy rivalries, amateur days in Holy Trinity, turning pro at 19, fighting for free, living in Manchester with no mates, back injuries and early retirement, opening gyms, fighters with no plan B, drinking too much, wives keeping us right, influencer boxing, bare-knuckle madness, money versus happiness, contentment after chaos, and much more.
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SPEAKER_00:All good. I'm glad I finally got an embedded on this been wanting to do this one for a while.
SPEAKER_01:Nah, this is a well, I'll take that as a as a fucking compliment because there's lots of podcasts these days.
SPEAKER_00:It's my don't make I grass all the time to do the podcast and I never really do them. I only sort of do them for people in the room, my mates and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:So no, thanks, thanks. I'll take it anyway.
SPEAKER_00:But um Since you're a Pamela. That's it, yeah. Listen, it's all about the band isn't this game, isn't it?
SPEAKER_01:So how's life been anyway? How you getting it? You know, like obviously we know you've got you've got the gym and you're coaching fairs and stuff like that. How you fighting it anyway?
SPEAKER_00:Just It's good. I mean being away from boxing and not being a fetter anymore, uh sort of took a while to get used to it, but I'm I'm in I'm in I'm in normal life now, and everything seems to be Jim's flying and Les Flynn and we girl and wife and everything seems to be pretty sweet.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, like I'm saying fast, doesn't it? Like when you get married and you've kids and you just tell me your your kids in the nursery now and my kids in primary one, and it's like like people put the amount of people who at one stage was uh like my my chair was like one maybe and we got married and stuff like that. People like right when he's having our tail. Uh and then my child is four, he's gone five in January, and people stop talking at some of us ever like and then I almost like the fuck do we want more things? No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00:She's saying the same thing, and I'm always like, I fucking what what else with that? I just keep saying to her. Like she brings something up about that about uh maybe have a killer donut and I'm I was like, Do you want to go to Dubai?
SPEAKER_01:I bet you don't want to go to Dubai finance with me.
SPEAKER_00:We'll do this here one this summer and then sure, maybe comes around the summer here. Do you want to go to Dubai next year?
SPEAKER_01:I just keep putting stuff here. It's fucking happy, but it's like it's it's smart how quick life goes fast and it's just like Seems like seems like fucking click of a finger, me and you were fighting each other in in the atchums.
SPEAKER_00:I was about three or something. It must have been twenty twenty years ago. That would have been crazy.
SPEAKER_01:More twenty-one part of the year. So that would be about twenty-one years ago. That's me to thirteen. That's meant. I remember 'cause I I always remember you were always way later than me. Like not way later, but like what like a week or two below. I was like 31, I think, and you were 29 or something. That boy won, and then boy two I was 33, and I thought you may have started the year 29 again, then 31, and then it was boy three, I was like 36, and then some my mate Matthew might be like, I gotta walk over. And I was like, You're afraid to remember that. I was like, Well no, not I can remember this guy. I was like, Mark Ray says, Me, you're afraid remembering that in the final 39 or um 38, and that one's I was like, remember that's 33, and then I looked at the programme and I was fitting there, I was like, fucking.
SPEAKER_00:Me and you were like the top dogs at the time. Is that right?
SPEAKER_01:I think you like you obviously you were within the old islands below me, they were below me. I think I was like the first starting get down to Dublin when you beat me, I was like, What the fuck? I'm not getting the ring, and I was cute, I was still a good bit taller. Alright, I'm a mabber at that and then uh obviously you beat me, and I was like, fuck, I'm not gonna get down to Dublin this year. That's me, like, because it's mad when you're a kid, like it was I I think it's all different now, but we only had the Atoms. Well, we had the Ulsters and then the Atoms in the All Islands and that was it the rest of the year. Uh so like we were fortunate enough, holy trinity always kept us busy, but we club shows and we tripped away. Yeah, like we went to like Millsprint stuff, mm-hmm where we were lucky. Some of us went to America, but if you if you could beat an atoms, you're season's over. Like your season's over, and that was me. I didn't fuck any year there. And then uh but then it was a wee bit like satisfied, you went down and won them again that year, and I was like, and then you just kept winning them every year.
SPEAKER_00:That's it. I know it's mad, it's mad. I can't believe like like you said, time flies that fast. We're sitting there talking about a situation that happened 21 years ago.
SPEAKER_01:It's crazy 21 years ago, like you know, and then because you must like when when I'm speaking, like obviously Pete Taylor with my coach he's he's in the he's been like around boxing like for like years and decades and he knows all the fears, past, present, whatever. He's always been around them all. And it's very rare to just see when we speak about this, it's very, very rare to just see anyone who's won like school boys championships and and go on to progress like a per like a professional.
SPEAKER_00:Everyone sort of everyone, you know, they all sort of when you grow up get a wee bit older, everyone sort of pass off, don't they?
SPEAKER_01:And then the the the box you were like probably one of the only ones that probably done it right up there, like level, senior level, and then go on to the other pro. Like you were probably probably the only one. Honestly, like but I when you think back, like there was like I remember David Joe Joyce now when they were they were year older and us, I think and he won it ring until he was like 16 and he stopped. Maybe Joe Ward as well. You and Joe Ward are probably the only two. Me and Joe as a pro. Joe just hasn't excelled.
SPEAKER_00:I know it's mad.
SPEAKER_01:He's good enough too. Like he's good enough to go on and be on the pretty scene.
SPEAKER_00:Just doesn't get the opportunities. I've always said the amateur game and the pro game is two different sports, like it that and it shows when people try to transfer over from amateur and the pro and like the unbelievable amateur and then just not the same as a pro, or else you can be terrible amateur and unbelievable pro it's mad.
SPEAKER_01:100% and it's like it's one thing where people just people always try and I I remember when I turned pro like Donny Vaughn stuff and like you need to sit down and your punches now. But then I'm back with Peter and Peter has me going, don't worry about it, it's just box if you can do 10-12 rounds, dude. Uh-huh. It's not gonna hit, but see when you get hit as a pro, it's a lot harder than as an amateur. I don't know. The smaller gloves, like the difference is I love that though.
SPEAKER_00:Seeing I turn pro, I was always like, I can't wait to hit someone dig in the face with eight ounce gloves, no.
SPEAKER_01:I know, but it's like it's fucking two like you say, it's two different sports. One's a sprint, one's a marathon.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:And then like as we've seen on many occasions, a lot of like great amateurs don't make great pros, you know what I mean? Yep. And then there used to be this thing where people had like that pick a boo style, you know, like come forward fairs. Used to be like, he's gonna be a great pro. And I always go be like, that's because we're gonna get hit with weak small gloves, you know, coming forward. They all end up fucking battered.
SPEAKER_00:I think uh who was who was it?
SPEAKER_01:Like David Oliver, Joyce, Patty Bray. Ray Moylette.
SPEAKER_00:Remember Ray Moy Lat was world champion amateur, he was the best in the world as an amateur, and then turn pro in that like pickaboo style just doesn't really work as good as it's in little tiny gloves getting necessarily head.
SPEAKER_01:It's like when you think of all the greatest boxers, they don't box whether they come forward again. I don't know. I always remember like a stigma around it being like he has a great pro style, like Potty got great pro style, David Ojoy's great pro style. But then the turn pro and they're gonna get my head, they're like that way fucking it. It's like it never released it. It's like hard ladder to get down and smelling one side of the bottom jobs on their leg. Like I've been fighting like fitting Johnny men though, and like you know, like you're just going to fucking with them, they're still like coughing, like stupid chat and hitting the back of ears like fucking. Where'd that come from?
SPEAKER_00:You wouldn't feel that with a sponge glove?
SPEAKER_01:Nah, I wouldn't feel that in the amateurs like fucking crazy. But I um I mean obviously like when you ran pro like a lot of people say you ran pro early, but when you look at the career you've had, I can go back and go like, no, he didn't. Like no, like people he would have to like there's always this thing around, especially Irish box and amateur box, I mean like you should wait the Olympics, wait Olympics, wait the Olympics. And everyone always tries to do that, but like you went, I feel like you weren't pro at the right time because of the career you had anyway, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:I think do you know what I I probably would have tried to stay on for Olympics, but fucking Michael Connellan beat me so he put me out of it, but then see when uh when that all happened, I was uh I was my whole thing was I want to start getting paid like well I guess yeah and I just thought at 19 I was like fuck I've had enough of the amateur game, like I want to see that different style because you could you could see the amateur style and the pro style, and I was like my fucking really like at the pro style.
SPEAKER_01:That's a sort of you had it anyway from the ways, even like when I remember it in the round robin, we boxed like and you beat someone from England like 182 or something, and they destroyed him, and I was like Do you know who that was? I was like, he's just fucking bothering people with a little bit like 40 pounds coming in, he's like three, four phases.
SPEAKER_00:I was like, it's just Charlie Edwards.
SPEAKER_01:I think he got the top everybody's being a pure score. I had a bit of I don't talk about chilling out of the bottom. This is ridiculous. And then he went on the one world title as well, so just go to show you like that like how good you were that easy and and it as it was so explosive, it was like boom boom, like it was so electric. And I remember being like, fuck me, he's class, I can't obviously he like he just turned property.
SPEAKER_00:Turned out well I was one I was I think I was one of the lucky ones I had this mad like just like unbelievable just being locked in for something and when when I turned pro and stuff that I was like I got I sort of went a bit like psychotic, so I did with so involved in it that I think it wasn't just like skill that was able to get me to where I got to, I think it was because I'd be a bit mad in the head, so obsessed like so obsessed with it where I'd be just sitting every single day, just studying, studying, studying, stuff never stopped every single day, seven days a week. Because I moved over to England by myself when I was a kid, I was only 19 when I moved over, and like I was just so mentally obsessed with it that I would just sit and study seven days a week, non-stop, constantly, just mad for it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, just obviously you know, when if you go into the gym, that's all you're thinking about is what you got seen studying, you're gonna put on the practice now. Absolutely but like 19 is you see when you like I'm I'm 33 now, you must be the same. See looking back at 19, I thought I was you think you're an adult at nineteen? You're not gonna get a fucking chair. Uh-huh. See if I was to look back and go nineteen, I'd go back like you think you can go and live away at nineteen? Fuck, that's hard, you're a little child at nineteen. Big shirt to that praise guy my sponsor helping hundreds of people daily. And big prizes, charity work, you name it, they're down it bang, bang reach it.
SPEAKER_00:That's uh that's what happened to me. I was just throwing straight into deep end and moved away, nineteen. I moved into a house share over in Manchester. So that was fine. Crazy. Oh, it was shit, mate. It was horrendous. Scant, no mates, no nothing. People don't see that in the program like they think they're gonna be like. I didn't get paid once until I was ten fights in. It's crazy. I didn't get paid at all.
SPEAKER_01:Like Olympic Youth Cole Madison, like the best in the world coming like three, is it like nothing?
SPEAKER_00:None I uh the first I was ten fights in before I got paid anything. That's crazy, like fighting for flight. Ten pro fights, none. I know. Had a wee bit of sponsorship here and there. But you know yourself, like a couple of grand here and there, it doesn't do anything for you.
SPEAKER_01:Like it does nothing, so most people like it it might sound bad saying this, but I feel like Irish fighters are hard done by. We don't have like promotional backing who wanna invest us. They only invest in us when they have to invest in us, like Matroom or Ariel step in when we put ourselves on a done with a have to. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh he's on the brink of world title here, or he's world champion. Absolutely. Maybe now we'll give him a two-fate deal or a three-fate deal. Like they've done with like Lewis Cracker and Polly Danovan, and it's almost like they're just trying to get up there. We don't have the TV here, first of all, so we don't have the promoter to have the TV.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Um everything's across the water. It's technically. See, it is it's always a bit harder for fetters coming from Ireland trying to make it their way up because you have to get up there. Yeah, have a couple of hard fights and do it all yourself, and you've to sort of financially get by by yourself and uh it's take on. I think uh a part of my success was I bit the bullet at the age of 19 and went fucking every everything for me is in England, like I need to be over there, and I thought, fuck everyone here, like I'm away.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well like as a series, I don't really think there's any like pro gyms in Belfast maybe like like gyms, pro gyms like in England there's pro gyms, and obviously we have loads of amateur boxing clubs here, but Brains was probably the only pro gym I ever saw in Belfast. Brains I don't know that if that's still going on anymore.
SPEAKER_00:There's no proper professional boxing gyms that you would go to.
SPEAKER_01:Joe Geyer's gym. That's right, you have like I know Ricky, Ricky had a gym. You've got gyms that just call professional boxers and have a stable like a stable. Uh there's no stables in in Belfast. Do you know what I mean? They'll maybe use an amateur boxing club, but they don't have a stable of feathers and that's a fair point, I think. You've gleasons, you've always marked in professional gyms. In uh in Belfast in Ireland, you've none, none at all. It's maybe something worth looking into because everybody's gonna be.
SPEAKER_00:I'm s I'm sitting in my business here, but he's on with something here, so yeah.
SPEAKER_01:The fetters like we produce, it's just it's just showing the last couple of when there is backing. Oh, I know. Like if you look at like the people who could potentially go on the like with the right direction could win another like could win a world tight, keeping hands on the brink of a world title game. That's it. If he was to give if he was giving the right fight, you know, because it's a game of snakes now. It's not about who you fight, it's about who you don't fight to get to.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I mean? It's about who you know as well. See in this game, it's I'm only real like see as a coach as well now, because I never when I was fighting, everything was just padded off to everyone else. I was one of the lucky ones. I was just saying, well, and I'm not dealing with that, someone else deals with that. But see now as a coach, um like on the different on the other side of the ropes, I it's that boxing's a fucking dirty game.
SPEAKER_01:It really is, uh, people say to me about like, oh, you like to reload boxing? I'm like, just for maybe disciplinary reasons. 100% people have this thing because like we've done well, maybe in boxing, people are like, oh, you gonna be a boxer? I was we I wasn't meant to be a boxer. I only I enjoyed boxing when I as a sport, when I was a kid. It just happened that I won the seniors and was then on funding and then that happened. So ball time. It wasn't like I was going like I was going, Oh like I'll do a trade and plumbing or something. I was like, what do you want to be mean older? It wasn't like you say boxing, but you don't actually realize I didn't really fully mean it. And then whenever I started when like I won the seniors, and I was like, fuck maybe I'm alright at this. Maybe I'm already at this, maybe I can't get a few cut ideas as I stuck it out, but people like take I think now because the success is so good, kids nowadays are putting a lot of pressure on themselves to be boxers for no age.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they are. I think because Belfast alone, there's so many mega talents come out of Belfast, and I think the younger generation is sort of looking up the us going, Here we we can do it. I think when we were kids, there wasn't was there anyone like the the pool of talent wasn't as big as what it was now. You might have the odd one every now and again.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but now it's like very like a salmon. It was like like the only like and over here and ball and third floor and stuff with they mean Cali Bram McGee and like but they weren't the caliber of what like you and like you know, world shopping fucking you know what I mean, like catches and Belfast.
SPEAKER_00:No, that's great for all say it for it doesn't even have a pro boxing gym.
SPEAKER_01:Straight on off and that's it, it's good because it see like Pete Taylor was in Dublin, he was just training normal team mate. At one stage Pete had like ten fighters, he had Luke Keeler, Gary Collie, Trump McCann, myself, Paul Ranner, load rate, Jazza Dickens all over, but it's uh people want to train by Pete, but they can't come to Dublin 'cause it's too expensive. And he's like, why just go to Belfast? He would have cleared up in Belfast as well. Oh yeah, I mean fucking like you could rent an apartment, like a two-bedroom apartment for eight fifty, eight hundred and fifty quid in Belfast, like a west Belfast room between two people, and they can come and stay here. Like if you wanted you wouldn't get that for a week in Dublin.
SPEAKER_00:I know, Dublin.
SPEAKER_01:I'd do you a full month. Or you could fucking make three bedrooms and throw three people in it. Do you know what I mean? It's like if it it's just like it's it's more feasible in Belfast but gyms. I mean there's no gyms at all. Could be on or something here. I know, that's a thing once you remember that open through first ever inspired by John Collins Who's the big hair fritters came up to Grand. Um Yeah, but it's just like I've I just I feel like it's because the Belfast is so good at boxing, it's just like it's a it's a good revenue maybe um to look into. Never know. But uh like you've got known gym, but you just what you just coaching like anyone comes in, or what way does that work for you?
SPEAKER_00:Uh so I sort of I was like after I retired, I mean mine's just sort of like an abrupt retirement. Um I was like, what am I gonna do? Like I've done nothing with my life, didn't do any studying, didn't do school, fucking nothing. My whole life was I'm gonna be a boxer, I'm gonna be a boxer, I'm gonna be a boxer. I never relied on anything. So when I was when I was told that's it, nothing knocking it on the head, I was like, What am I gonna do for the rest of my life? And then this common thing was I'll open up a gym. So opened up a gym, thank God now I've had the gym uh five years and been any plan?
SPEAKER_01:No, that's true. Like I always need that's me. Obviously I opened the gym before I retired, but like 'cause I always think we always hear M stories of like people all struggling in retirement and all, and I was always like still, like still like afraid of that, going like, what are you gonna do? Like obviously I've spoken to people all about it and it's like you always pray about when you get up like a dance and dope me anyone always being out of it and all like you get, but I think like opening the gym is sort of stereo like even after that fight there, I was straight back in the gym. I was in here Monday, I come back on Monday morning, came in here, done a podcast, and I was straight back and was in the gym coaching. Uh and it's like the novelty was rough half the day, no one curses anymore. I don't know. It's gone like that. Well, I congratulations, we hugs, I'll have a day, and I like it.
SPEAKER_00:Straight back at it.
SPEAKER_01:Straight back in the normality about it.
SPEAKER_00:I see to be honest, I think see what you're doing, I think that's healthy. I I think boxers who are sort of starting off with their career could look at you and go, look what Sean's doing. Like Sean, because I don't know many people that have set plans who are professional fetters that have set plans in place for when they retire already. You know what I mean? And I just think so much has to be said for that because fetters struggle so bad. Like fetters, I you see all these unbelievable fetters now when the lights go off. And that's it. Like the lights are literally off all right.
SPEAKER_01:Like Metal State or Like Did you struggle much? Would you have struggled much like in that B period that you had off with before in the gym or like I I uh I can't. It's a fucking big change of life. No matter what you go into, even if you go to like even for me sometimes it took me away to start to realise like I just need to get back into this gym as quick as I can, coach, and just be back to normality. Because everything's normal in the lead up till the fight, you get the fight and everyone wants to be very attention. I'm like, I need to get in here, Ice up and just get this all the way away. So it's so like before like it's took me a long time to get to this stage. And it was like that year off, like when no after the Barboza fight, I had a year with no fetch, yeah, a full year, I didn't know whether I was coming or going. Honestly.
SPEAKER_00:It's tight going, like I it's tight going. That's the setting people don't see. Like when I retired, I sort of went off the rails a bit. I went a bit I went a bit mental, and lucky enough, it was for my wife, like she was like, if you don't get a grip with us, no, like that's like you're on a down world swirl here. Like it's gonna end up really bad. And lucky enough, she was able to shake a bit of sense into me. And uh I was a sort of had to for I had no choice in the get my life together.
SPEAKER_01:It's a healthy fucking like you need that accountability. Uh absolutely like if you if like if obviously you for pretty cuz you obviously have enough respect for your fucking wife to know when she's right and wrong for her to call that. But it always will know. Do you know what I mean? It always will because I like but it gets the stage where like surely like something's not right here, like she's not happy for a reason.
SPEAKER_00:I mean I think when sort of when you retire and you you can sort of do what you want and you don't have any of these tags on you that was on you and they're just gone. Yeah, you sort of I was just how I drinking like fuck, I was drinking mad and you're spending money like it's still coming in. Like I was I remember I was on really good sponsorship and I was getting like loads of I was getting good money sponsorship. But when I retired, obviously all the sponsorship stopped. But I was still spending as if like it's coming in every month, and I was just going by. I was like, this is gonna Yeah, I think this is gonna catch up on me. I was lucky enough, like I was able to go right, come on here, knock us in the head. Yeah, that's when I opened up with Jim. No, that's good.
SPEAKER_01:Focus me a bit obviously that's a like an or say the people like say like Trump McCann won't make any sense, he's a fucking lunatic anyway, he's not he he like he hasn't nothing. He has no education. Uh he doesn't want he's like nah, it hasn't do you like to like your license or something gets you driven? Nah, don't want to drift. He just hasn't on bacon. He's running bed fucking eating burgers.
SPEAKER_00:I said after his last fight, I'm in the I'm in Windsor and I look through a window and there's Strong lying on the table getting his eyes eye stitch, and I went into him and I said, uh, oh well done Strong. He's like, Oh cheers, and I went to him, like mate, are you gonna retire? What here? Like every everyone everyone watching us their hearts in their mouth and he's thinking, nah, I love it. He loves it. Like he does, he just he just loves a thing.
SPEAKER_01:He loves it, he loves it, and he's just fucking he just goes back, goes back on the pants eating like fuck recording it. He's like obviously I'd have got the podcast, no, but it's not that's not a source of income, like Nah it's not it's just gonna he's gonna have to keep fighting for income and I think that people are going through him, come on the fucking.
SPEAKER_00:I know that's that's the sort of the side of it that fuck you you'd if it was a bit of I uh I was who I was speaking to, I was actually Susie Zwang who makes shorts. I was speaking to her yesterday. And uh she was saying like there's nothing for fetters that sort of can advise them on the way up because the majority of fetters come from like backgrounds where they don't have like great social, it's just more like council estate mentality where they they don't do much or something like that, and coming up, they're not advised. Like this is gonna end at some point. You need to start saving press or doing this or doing this because the further the amount of feathers that have reached out and said people who are retired, like here, mate. Like, what are you what are you doing what are you doing? I know. Like I'm fucking, I was just one of the lucky ones where I was able to a couple of quid here, I'll open up a gym. So I'll keep me focused. But loads of feathers, even feathers that reach fucking unbelievable level, like European level and world level, they sat away from boxing and within a click of a finger, fucking have nothing again. Yeah, and nothing. And it just downhills you know yourself around.
SPEAKER_01:It's like see while you're in your career, like in the premier career, there's a lot of investment going into your time away training. Like if it's let's say when you're over with booth, maybe you're paying for digs, maybe you're paying for your nutrition, you're paying for you're constantly put you're paying for flights. You reinvest in each camp, you know what I mean? You're spent money as well, and like fates have pulled out, you f like stuff happened along the way, injuries happen, and then you're paying for physics. So you you do reinvest, and if you're not on the big money, then you're you're going to because the European level, even British level, you're not getting fucking there's no life-changing money. Um that's what people seem to get it wrong, is it's like you're you're reinvesting in each camp. So on the rip, spends it all, and has to get a lamb on it for the next camp, and then when he gets his purse, he used it back. He's a little thing.
SPEAKER_00:Man, I'd like to see Etrung do something.
SPEAKER_01:He's had some V ideas. I've like he trained we trained together for like a load of years, like, and he always has V ideas, but when it's like his his head's clear whenever before the fight and then lead up to the fight and he's like, When I do this, I'm gonna get this and like don't get me wrong, he's bought his house now, which is good, because I thought that was never gonna happen. I was like, it's gonna be. He fought onto Wapdin, right? He fought onto Update April time and he won that. I think he told me he got eight grand for it or in around it. And then a couple of weeks or eight weeks later, he fought Jack Carroll and he got good money for that. And then about five weeks after that I fought in the field and I was in the rock bar having the penny because then it goes me here down and starty quit like a bit when I could pay for next week. And I wah joking I was laughing, like fuck off. He's like, No, I'm serious, fucking with turns. Like that's a that's a sad out boxing. And he was laughing his balls off. He said, Turn, there's no fucking way you spent all the money. He's like, I don't know what I've done with it. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00:I love throwing the bed slightly. Yeah, he was just like I want the shake up here. What the fuck are you doing? He's an absolute hater. And he's just he's like he just shrugs his shoulders and he's like cracks on, get me another fit, and that's him happening.
SPEAKER_01:And then when he obviously I was on his case, like you need to get a house like and then they bought the house, thank God. Like when even he fought Regis Pro Ray then, he was able to go and buy the house and he fucking he's a maniac, but yeah, it's a lot like there's loads of people coming through and boxing now that won't ever see that side of it and won't ever think that they'll be that person. But it's very easy to be that person.
SPEAKER_00:I'd say the majority, the majority of fetters coming up, they see you on TV and they see the the glitz in the glam, like but it's fine, yeah. It couldn't be forever from that. Like it's really not.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's a hard it's what I say to people, I'll say if I put as much time and effort as I have into boxing for my whole life, into something more like another profession, I could be like a fucking scientist or a brain surgery.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. You put so much in for as a little bit world like or is not only a few are able to sort of get to that and get out of it then.
SPEAKER_01:I know, like my mate, like you mentioned, he plays the ISL, he played I actually, you know, and he always says me, she he always says this, and it's so fucking true. Like say if you were good at football, you are boxing, you'd be a multi-millionaire. Like multi, multi-millionaire, and it's it's easier. And he always lost, and I go on that's true.
SPEAKER_00:Like well, they boxing is the hardest sport in the world, apparently, according to chat GPT. It's the hardest sport in the world.
SPEAKER_01:It's very fucking really wrong, is it?
SPEAKER_00:That's chat GPT. Do you know what I would say probably is hardest in the world?
SPEAKER_01:Like there's so much pressure on it because it's like what like when you're gonna what goes through your see when you were can you ever remember back what went through your head like f like coming to fit? Like when when would you really like when would you get most nervous for fit? Um mine's just all I'll I'll say mine. So like when you weigh in, no, you don't crowd, you just want to weigh in and eating what you want to even crowd with the fit. Once you weigh in, go to bed that night, every sweet because you'd be literally because you've a full belly going to bed. Then you wake up next morning, go down and get breakfast, and then see I go back into like my room that afternoon for like a week or two. Yeah, or two, and I'm like fucking my my heart, I be overthinking everything, and that's when I get my most nervous. When I get to the chain room, bang, gone.
SPEAKER_00:Nice calm.
SPEAKER_01:Just relaxed.
SPEAKER_00:Um for me, I I didn't really get nervous. I I sort of I program my mind. So my thing for me was I don't think I'm skilled enough to be a world champion. But if I can do something else, then I might just get the world level. So I was like, if I can make my mind mentally strong, then I might be able to be a world champion. So I used to condition my mind in a way that like I wouldn't really get nervous. Um and that's what it stopped me. Yeah. From getting nervous, I used to see to be honest, mate, I was a lunatic. A proper like a lunatic I can remember like I would condition my mind for like like violence, violence. Like I wanted to like really hurt someone to the point where I'd be just fantasizing over like it's not sound mental, like, but like how badly can I hurt them? Like, can I really hurt them? And then I made that mindset was that's just the mindset that I thought I had to get myself into. But then I can remember like the man it doesn't switch off then because you're conditioned that much, it doesn't switch off. I swear to God, I swear to God, so I would be after a fit and everyone goes out for a few drinks, but my wife, she knows me, like and I'd be standing at a bar and I'd be and this would happen for like four about four weeks after a fit. Say I want to have for a couple of drinks or whatever, I'd be standing, I'd be like, I want someone to say something to me because I just want to and she'd come over me and say, Come on, why is up there so we but for me that was the sort of mindset that you created for yeah, I had to be in that like almost psychotic mindset that I know they get there, probably were yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I know I suppose that I I believe like a mindset like I go hand in hand with your style, you know what I mean? Like explosive, like but you're obviously skillful, but you're like explosive. Like the reminds more like I'm more relaxed, I have to be relaxed. So I'm on the ring, I have to be just pure chill. See if I'm up like fucking if I'm trying to hurt someone, I'll make mistakes. Like I done fucking last week. I'll just try and I'll do stupid stuff. I'll carry away, technically goes out the window, everything goes out the window, I start forcing stuff, and then next thing I'm fucking nagged, putting action out in my punches, I'm like, oh trying and I'm like, ugh, I swear it's like repeat or less until I can do feet, just I'm happy enough to go 12 rounds. I'd rather make embarrass some over 12 rounds than than than go on and fucking try and take a shot up.
SPEAKER_00:That's what I mean.
SPEAKER_01:So it's like a goal. Clearly works for you though. That's what I mean. Everyone's different set's gonna be different. Like, but how did you come away from it? Did like did you just grab the like over the four like say you say it's up to like four weeks after the fate, did you and then you have to turn it back on again when camp starts? It must have been really hard. Like it must have been hard to be like It was taken down, up down, up down, and it's like people say boxers are selfish, but that's I don't think they mean to be selfish, but I would say that's one of the most selfish things about it, is like is like we have to create this mindset for our job. Absolutely. We carry it into our personal lives where we don't mean to, but it just becomes a part of who we are now our fucking wives suffer or like kids suffer. But that's not me intentionally being selfish just to be a dick. That's just happening because that's how we're programmed.
SPEAKER_00:Well you're you're you're getting ready to fight on a man, like you mentally to get in that state, you have to be sort of selfish and sort of disregard everyone else to put yourself in a state where like someone could die here. Yeah like it is someone could die here, and I don't want that person to be me. Yeah, so like you have to get yourself in that mindset, which is mental.
SPEAKER_01:That's insane, like and then you like 'cause remember, I remember you done your back in against an area. You were I was at it over in Glasgow, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Josh Killer was feet and I was at it, and uh because we were living in Glasgow the too, me and throwing it, and uh I know you were boxing fucking beautifully, and I was like fucking in your back, man. I was like, What's he done? And then you try to get up and fight on it like fuck me, he's done.
SPEAKER_00:Don't know if you can tell, I'm sitting here moving now. My back's in bed because fucking still gives me jet. So those but I the fucking back went on me. That was it, that was the beginning of the end if I remember that.
SPEAKER_01:And then like it's mad the way like things align because uh if that had like you you were running off it. That was like I was like, I was going, I was going like this is fucking lethal. I remember you were in the corner and you were like and then he threw like a combination, he missed with repoints. I was like fucking that's gonna he's gonna win this easy and then you were like mounted for an eye and stuff like that. I don't know. And that's the potential. And then obviously you can back me foot in other hall just for like was that like a farewell? Did you know what going on there?
SPEAKER_00:Nah, nah. I thought maybe if I can just get back going, if I can get back moving, like shake uh the dust off, I'll be fine. But it's it, I just fucking I couldn't do it.
SPEAKER_01:Cause your man was a good he was a good point, I remember going, fuck he's classic.
SPEAKER_00:He was 17 and 2.
SPEAKER_01:And then I was like, fuck, it's a hard fight to come back to like and then you you pissed that nigga and then I was like, fuck, maybe we'll see it again with bumps.
SPEAKER_00:Nah mate, I think after I fight that was I was fucked again, couldn't really walk properly, and even trying to get through our training camp was fucking tackling. Yeah. But uh do you know what? I'm glad it happened the way it did because I was able to get away from boxing relatively relatively young, start something else and just sort of enjoy my life then at a younger age. I think I retired when I was 28. Yeah. So I was able to step away from boxing and just sort of be happy in a way, like you know.
SPEAKER_01:I know it does like uh it takes a lot of sacrifice and it takes a lot of it does take a lot of happiness as well, boxing as well. And you can't do certain things, and you're just like you just want to take yourself away, and I'm just like you're like Halloween comes around and it can be fucked in one day as party and straight into three weeks, like this looking sitting. I don't know. And no one sees that.
SPEAKER_00:No one no one sees that brutal side of it. It's uh fuck it's tech going like it really, really is. I know.
SPEAKER_01:Is there any like have you any ambitions to like go and look like professional like proper profession? I know you're coach professionals now, we've got Connor Cunningham stuff now, and like Connor's a fucking great lad as well, great, great fighter. Um like what's the ambitions now just to create would you love to go on coach the world champion? That's my goal.
SPEAKER_00:I I'm gonna coach the world champion. Yeah. Like 100%. I'm gonna coach the world champion. I believe that like my knowledge, you need the fighter, it doesn't matter how good of a coach you are, you need the the fighter. Of course. So I firmly believe if a if a world-class fighter is there with me, I I've got the knowledge because my whole career growing up, I was always asking why. So like if say one of my coaches told me something, I'd be like, here, but why? Why do you want me to just so I got a better understanding of it? But then I sort of I never forgot it, and I've got this abundance of knowledge, knowledge about fighting, and I think if I can give that knowledge to a fetter and they've got that natural ability, that talent, then I genuinely think I can make them a world champion, and that's my goal. I I've set myself a goal now, is I I want to coach a world champion. Yeah. So I do um so I as as a coach now, um that's sort of now I was taking over my life being a professional coach, and my thing is I I want to coach a world champion.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and like as we said before, no, Belfast creates some like it doesn't necessarily have to be someone from Belfast, obviously like you can be open to fucking having anyone from I feel like a lot of the I feel like a lot of the coaching in the UK is very standard and it's like people have this like I've spoken to people who and like I've spoken to different coaches in the UK about like just certain things and I'm like that doesn't make sense. And like he's supposed to be a good coach, like I don't get I didn't see it. I haven't experienced it with him, but I just feel like it's a little bit diluted. Diluted and it's like they've got this like people I always feel like people just jump around different coaches in the UK, like people like one one one year it's fucking like let's say Jimmy Mirror's booming, he's got all these failures and then next like next year he's none. He's none like Jack Carroll's left and I like Jimmy. I but my experience with Jimmy Muir when I was over sparring stuff, I thought he was a decent coach. I thought he was a good coach compared to a lot of the other ones that have been around. So I don't understand why, but like one one year he's up for coach of the year, he's got Frampton, he's Stevie Ward, he's Jack Carroll, he's you know, he's all like he's everyone, he's Chantel Cameron, they've they've all left, they're all gone and I ain't gone.
SPEAKER_00:Like I think if it's not going well for a fetter I think it's easy for Feder to go, that wasn't my fault. It's potentially the coach's fault. I'm moving coaching. That's right. It happens too often, I think. Yeah, it happens all all the time, and I think it might be just a thing where Feder's.
SPEAKER_01:I said this last week, I give a lot of credit to Lewis Crowder for staying with Billy Nelson after the first fate.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:Because the amount of people who says the me after the first fate Lewis needs to leave him.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:Everyone said that the amount of people Lewis needs to leave Billy Nelson, he hadn't fucking clear what he was saying in there. Fucking Lewis took the beating. Lewis stuck with him. Fair player. And he's he's obviously and I know for a fact if people are saying that to me, I would say loads of people are probably saying that to Lewis with drinking and the one night it's Lewis need to leave him, and I'm sure he's getting it. So in the back of his head, you know what's like when people are telling you to do something you don't really want to do it because you're not comfortable doing it. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you should. I don't know what's best for me. Yeah, because I like him and he's trying to be in a sapbo position and tell him and his man or like his family are probably saying, What do you think like you need to leave him all? And then you're going.
SPEAKER_00:Tell him I proved everyone wrong, didn't they?
SPEAKER_01:And they stay with Billy Nelson and showed that like people can be fucking wrong.
SPEAKER_00:They uh I talking about that, like they had that planned so well. Like they really did, they it's just credit to Billy and Lucas like they like just gotta be. They proved everyone wrong.
SPEAKER_01:And I I I honestly can say I didn't expect that from Lewis, but when people were asking me loads of people on what you write, I was like different for this time. And they were going to go well it has to be. Like Lewis can't go out and do the same thing again, he can't. Yeah. I didn't know he was gonna do that, but that was just my answer. I was like, he can't go out and do the exact same thing again. It's it's absolutely I would be fucking insane. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:I was I remember the build up that fit, um I just thought Lewis and Billy, they were all very, very quiet. Yeah, they're a wee bit too quiet, and it made me think to myself, he's not confident.
SPEAKER_01:Or are they playing a game?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, playing the game a game.
SPEAKER_01:But that's what people were probably thinking, he's not confident.
SPEAKER_00:He's not confident, he's not everyone was saying to me, he's fucking see Lewis there and not like he's just not saying anything. Yeah, but I was like, Is that on purpose? Clearly was on purpose. 100%.
SPEAKER_01:Uh just patient, patient, patient, and it worked and credit to fucking Billy credit to Lewis, and they they got the jobs on and a new work's happening. That's another IBF. That's like it's reflaying now with IBF, you can't see yours.
SPEAKER_00:I think there's five. I was actually talking to Carler the other day. It's Dave Boy Macaulay, Otto, myself, Carl, and now Luis. I think that's what it is. Five of us. So I'm trying to get five of us together to get a full class. I'm trying to see trying to contact everyone. Kakatchi. Doesn't go back to you about anything. Like it's just impossible to get a hold of Kikachi. Lewis is like, I hundred percent, no problem. Carr's like fucking mint Mr. International.
SPEAKER_01:He's all over the gaps, and I carr's on the podcast a couple of weeks now. This has been like rescating loads, and he's like, I hadn't changed with Darryl he's so fucking organised. See, like me, uh me anybody, I win everything. I just drop my waves like what the fuck is going on with her life? I'm like, she's really in that. See, before I came around because Liz was about to be all after this, right? And then Luz like, man, I can't look him in as a red sweet, so I was like, and then there's people on the gym text me backdoor. I'm like, and then she's gonna text us a bit and hang on, and then she's gonna get the back doors first. It's just like you need half all this organized down, so like you know what you can do yesterday, and what you can do that day, and I'm like, I'll just I'll be alright. That's why I need to fucking have to give out fucking foliage on the full link for that. But uh no, it's like cars very organised, so like, but uh he's like we can go away, okay, we just pants on and it's it's clasp, but I wish I was like that.
SPEAKER_00:But see trying to so busy trying to get them organised. So I was we've got this here group and I'm chatting, trying to organise it all. And I finally got Carl's like, yeah, I can do that. Lewis was like, Yeah, I can do that. Otto was like, Yep, I can do that. So I can't be doing it, it's just me, I can do it. And then Carl goes, Hey, what about Dave Boy Macaulay? Should we get him in there? And I was like, how am I gonna organise this? And I see trying to get them all together, but Carl, Mr. International, he's gonna try to lock him in in a couple of years.
SPEAKER_01:City hall, someone like the mayor or something should do, but they just invite you to City Hall and do like a thing we use and like it's it's like fucking iconic, but you like and it's it's it's history making these are fucking pillars of like I don't think boxing pillars all over the city, like these are all different parts of like absolutely I don't think boxing though gets enough credit.
SPEAKER_00:So it doesn't like see see what we do, what the feathers do for Belfast and like how the feathers put Belfast on the map. It's like I just don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I just don't think it's sort of appreciated as Lewis bringing out fate to Windsor, cars bringing fate to Windsor, you bringing Fates you also the tourism, it's bringing in the people, it's bringing in the TV, it's bringing in the I just don't think it's as appreciated as well as what like if if this had to be like see if this was in in America or fucking Spain or something, you'd be classed as absolute heroes.
SPEAKER_00:But here in Belfast, it's just sort of like look what Lewis has just done there, he's welterweight the world champion, probably one of the hardest divisions, yeah, big deal and like he should be fucking pretty around the streets on people's shoulders like that. It's just people's shit about that.
SPEAKER_01:Like people are right for themselves and especially up in the big hill up in Storming. No, they don't go a fuck like they're like as much as like they don't know what you do a reception for you, maybe in the city hall, but then once you're at the door, it's like right. How do you find out there like social media like influencer boxer bugs? Like people have asked always asked a boxer their opinion. What do you think yes, influencer boxer? Me personally, I don't I actually don't make it it's because it's it's I just don't think it's boxing, it's not professional boxing, it's like even like the Jake Paul stuff, hats off to Jake Paul, he's fucking making mega money for boxers on the shows on like Kitty Taylor and stuff like that. But at the start I feel like he jumped in there as just like like a fucking circus, but then he started to say not that bad. He run fucking Tommy Fury close enough, like rather if he closed so like hats off to him, but like I just don't understand why boxer like people get so upset whenever they're calling out the legs of Canada, surely just go fucksy ways.
SPEAKER_00:Well is it but uh I just for I think it's good for boxing, it brings a whole different audience in the boxing. It's sort of it's put it's just like give this big bright legged light upon boxing. Um and it's like you sort of you know that that's the influencer level, and then you've got professional levels the next level above. I think when people understand that, I think it's just really when stupid people that are like here, Jake Paul can beat Canelo. But apart from that, nah, I think it's it's good for boxing. It brings in loads of money and it gets people talking, and yeah, so I think it's not too bad and people are getting paid out of it and Kitty Taylor, Kitty Taylor's like without all that that Jake Paul promotion like she wouldn't be getting a fraction, a fraction of what she's got. Like she's she's she's done a lot.
SPEAKER_01:Saying what like first first time tell Cameron's the same, she's the same MVP now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, she's making like crazy and that's all came from this influencer boxing thing. So when Poosh comes to shove, I think it's good for boxing.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't like what we call Frat's not coming to the retirement and play it now as well. So people are starting to go like people are retiring from professional boxing, like maybe actual champions in England they had because they're going, it's easy money. Just like people want to stay relevant. That's it. We're hoping we were talking about earlier about the retirement and the like the struggle of being retired and hanging, that's that's whenever you start that's how everyone will be pulled back in the box again. Because they'll miss all that like uh being relevant, not irrelevant.
SPEAKER_00:You need uh I think that's a big thing, a massive thing with with boxers just tossing on that retirement thing as well. They need something. Yeah, they need that kick, whether it's and whatever it is, but they need that something, and now they can find a way back into it with this fake boxing or whatever it is.
SPEAKER_01:Um maybe we'll maybe see you meet with our near places.
SPEAKER_00:I I got a message about uh doing the burnout effect. Did you fuck? So I got a message, um I'll not say what organisation it was like, but they they messaged me about six months ago and said, uh, do you fancy doing it? This would be the purse and this would be the fight. I was like, not a chance, there's no way that's worth that money. So I just read the message, left it on blank, and then I got another message out about six weeks ago. There's some serious coin involved. And I was like, I was like, oh.
SPEAKER_01:Because they've got the platforms now, they've got the like that it's really like it's the gale.
SPEAKER_00:James De Gale Mall's fitting on it now. And they said to me about it, and a half fucking. And I I phoned the wife and I said, Listen, love, thinking about fetting again. She was like, What? What and I said, Aye, but the hair listen is how much money it is, and she was like, What and when you're going back to England, then fuck off. Overtaking there for it. But uh nah it they they said some an organisation said to me that they offered this sort of money and I said aye, but then I've never came from it, so yeah, I don't know if that was supposed to be they're looking at big like the likes of James DeGill and the other is big for them for the prof like because what they're doing is they want to bring in the big name fighters and the burn knuckle fighting, trying to get away.
SPEAKER_01:You're a world champion, ex-world champion, bring a world champion and bring James the Gill in, and then maybe that's what they'll start to do, to create bigger names like to make this sport bigger.
SPEAKER_00:I think they're just trying to get ex-world champions in, and at the moment they're just bunging a lot of quit at them where they can't say no. Exactly. You know what I mean? And then they're trying to I don't know, invest in a bit into the sport, they're trying to make it massive. It's not a sport you want to be getting your kids into, folks. Definitely not, but we're not imagine that. Imagine taking the dick in the gun proper.
SPEAKER_01:But see, like in your hands, how your hands didn't hold up.
SPEAKER_00:I I it's I think it's nuts, but then again, see when someone's flashing that sort of money in your face, you're just like I f I actually phoned Adam and I said, Adam, here Adam. Do you fancy having one more dance? And he was like, What? I says, I know it sounds mental, but I've been offered to do this burn up well stuff, and he's like, Man, fucking you don't need to. And I said, I know I don't, but here this is what what they've been offering the penny, and he was like, Okay, then we'll sit down and we'll have a conversation about it.
SPEAKER_01:See what you're saying about the money, isn't it something I'm gonna have like it's not something but it's so easy for people to go fuck I'll go for it and that understanding what stress they'll put the body thing again after napping it for so long. You have to remember I need us you need to sort of have to think to yourself like what am I gonna do about money? It's gonna make me happy. You know what I mean? Because you always think you always you always associate money with like happiness and ability to what are you actually gonna do with it? You know what I mean? That that's what I'm always trying to get my head around now. Like like I've got the gym, I'm working in the gym, I'm happy, I'm boxing, I'm happy. Like when I if I feel like it's time to c fucking call a day alcohol day, but you have to remember like what's worth it? Like what are you gonna in what are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_00:Like it doesn't make you happy, like that's what I mean. So it's it's it doesn't make you happy.
SPEAKER_01:Did you ever see like footballers leave the Premier League to go and play in Saudi Arabia for a million pounds a month? What more can they buy?
SPEAKER_00:Uh what I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Like what what what more can you buy? Like you're going from three hundred grand a week till a million like maybe let's say like you're you're going for like you're getting two hundred grand a week in mining in it and you go and leave mining it and go and play for a team where you get like I don't know, like a a half a million a week.
SPEAKER_00:Life stays the same. Like what like like unless you're buying a a yacht or a private jad.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but you you you can't be honest, you're streaming every day. You you're not mu there's nothing you can do. Yeah. So it's like what more can you buy now? Like I I I'm gonna ban our house here and I and then I would love to buy holiday home away at some stage, maybe. But other than that, that's me done. What more? I don't want to buy fucking uh car for fucking fellow for my dummy like your 400 quid a week and feel. I don't know, I don't know. I I do I enjoy driving good cars, but I mean like I don't want to go out and fucking buy fucking Lamborghini or anything like that. Do you know what I mean? It's just like I'm content and what I have.
SPEAKER_00:That's the best way.
SPEAKER_01:And I think like that's what keeps me grounded. That's like a thing where people go like you go like Mickey Houghton's before me, Mickey's very, very like switched on and like he's well well off, done very well with his business, and he's always like you do well, like you you feel pretty, you're straight back in, you've got that gym, and that's fucking that's burning for you like that keeps you like keeps you grounded. And then I go, but that's because I'm content for what I've got, I don't want no more. Like the main thing for me always was to bad gaff, I've done that.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now I would like to ban our re house just for my own pantsing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because like I'm self-employed and I'm not on a pantsing. So for me to ban our house just for be for pantsing reasons, right? And then maybe we holiday home just to soon go away.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because I love getting away. Fucking I would go away six months here because I hate the winter. I fucking hate repentance whenever September. It's getting worse here as well. So that's that's that's all I want. So if I get anything or life, like fuck maybe then you've nailed it. I've nailed it. And everything else can fucking so like if someone would go, Why you will do this burnout and give you so much after the tournament, I'll be like, nah, fuck, I've got what I want.
SPEAKER_00:You're happy to get there. But not many people can get to that point, that's for sure. Like C being that content in your mind. Not many people. I think that's that is a massive problem with it. People aren't they can never get that contentment in their mind. That's what pushes them into the doing the burn-up or doing the whatever.
SPEAKER_01:That's it, it's mismanagement of f finances too. Like we were saying earlier about throne, like just spending those money and going off it again, sure. And it's like fuck me, you're just you're just fucking loving it, living life for a couple of months and then off the fit again and straight back into it back in that's you're just chasing your tail.
SPEAKER_00:Boxing is a mental sport, I guess it's mental.
SPEAKER_01:All the beasts all the me smelly hacks that no one sees like of life of like just fine contentment within boxing, do it until you enjoy it, and then don't do anything else. Like you should be a mentor. Oh fuck me, I know, but um no, it's just that's just how I feel about it. But obviously everyone's different and like it's good to see that like you've come in retirement and fuck me and you're doing well and you've got the gym and everything's going good, and next time, next time maybe uh very soon I'll have you on again as a as a coach who's a world champion a world champion coach.
SPEAKER_00:That's the plan. That's the plan. I'm become a world champion coach. I think that's that's my that'll be my goal now. Be uh coach of a world champion. That's what I want now.
SPEAKER_01:Well, listen, you heard it here first, so and if you whenever the time comes and he's a world champion coach, we back on him all roll this back. But uh Ryan appreciates you coming in, mate. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_00:Nice one.
SPEAKER_01:Thanks.