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The Public Nuisance Podcast
Host Sean McComb interviews various guests
The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #056 Far Diesel with Gerard Healy & Fra Lavery
Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome Gerard Healy & Fra Lavery to the podcast.
We cover weight-loss plans turned winning streaks, ten undefeated fights, two belts, driving tests passed, boxing as a second language for respect, ticket sales running careers, paying opponents’ hotels, bad decisions abroad, ring-walk nerves, sports psychology, shy kids finding confidence, sober weekends, change built one session at a time and much more.
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Welcome to this episode of the Public Nations Podcast brought to you from Kill Studios, right here, where you can get all your content on. Photo shoots, video, editing, you name it. Podcast studio. Beautiful looking. Like the two fell in front of me. I've got a file Avery and Jared Hiddy. Two main men. Cheers for coming in, lads. Cheers for having me down, show. How's life treating us? How are we getting on?
SPEAKER_01:It's been good. Oh, I've been brilliant for I've been boxing about five years now, isn't it? Four years? Four about five minutes. Before five years.
SPEAKER_04:Did you ever box you? You must have boxed a wee bit when you were younger. Was your whole fan now?
SPEAKER_01:Mark and Mark Christian all they all boxed for Charlie, but I I never talked up when I was I was always near that deal. I never got a chance. Charlie and Big Chris, uh big Chris Irving. That's right.
SPEAKER_04:They were the young age, just in and out, just maybe running in out, but it wasn't really.
SPEAKER_01:I found out, but it was always I always ended up getting out of the mischief, and then he'd always show at me. Even before he started boxing, I was always the same. I was always like he looked out for me, and then when I when I come in, when I had my chair, that's what I was, and I knew I had the change. Then I started with him and I think it's 57 kilos you run.
SPEAKER_04:You were late. Did you ever do any any? I know you were, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Did you done a wee bit when you were younger? And then kept getting noseblades, so a couple of fights were stopped because of noseblad. So went back to football and uh played there and then back to boxing. I didn't want to fight and playing football and it wasn't a boxing. But it was just I went back a wee bit later stages, so then just went back amateur and then just turned pro. Ah, because I can remember when you went back, you were fighting in doctors now.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, Connor, obviously, because it's absolute wars. But if it was UV van it used to be packed all the time and just people, it's just a wee small bar and that's what I'd pay.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know when you're in the West, but the best down the floor down on the down the floor's west and show my color was boxing too. Oh why? I just wore apple name, every apple.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, I don't want there's only one day. It's cool, like it's there's a charity dude set up here, mate. Give me him.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, well, I always went and wasted him and his feet and it but he'd always try to look out for me and then I took the box. I was too heavy. That's I wouldn't go into the gym, I was embarrassed. Ah and then went up to him, and it was just me and him and him slowly coming off over to him, and I think it's near 57 kilos now.
SPEAKER_00:It's cannibal came to me to lose weight. And uh when I started doing the double and H emotions, I wanted to start doing a couple of exhibitions. So we started doing him, and I thought he was just he could only do exhibition, so he started losing more weight, building more confidence in himself, and then he started getting a few fights. Yeah, and uh like where he is now, so like I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_01:A couple of big nights mean I went down. I never expected to do it, but it was class, like I loved every man of it. I was a weight loss journey more than anything, but and then it turned into something more. I seen our Tommy win the belt one night, that's on one of his shows, and when we had his face, and I said, I ain't gonna win him a belt no way.
SPEAKER_04:It's good to have that we better uh no leg for your chair and they look up to something every like.
SPEAKER_01:I've seen for years, like I was in the jail, everything and nothing would change me and then the chain when the chair came along and I was in jail one time when something happened and I was out of my house and I went fuck, I can't be on here no more, I need to be with him.
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SPEAKER_01:And when I got out of the mouth a couple of weeks, I was up with Jar training and everything changed, there's everything.
SPEAKER_04:But it was probably back it was normal in the eighty, like late 80s, early 90s, it was just like every like it was normal to be out mate stealing cars and fucking just golly vatting the around your social behaviour. It was normal like that. That's how you got your table, that's how like even when I grew up in turf, obviously, and f they meant they were talking about people earlier, they meant the people I know people I grew up with all went to jail. I was probably one only fucking view didn't go to jail, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah and I I worked it out before I ain't I ain't gonna go in like over stupid things I was I don't over ten years now and now different things like it's a long time and then when I come out and I just I got I got that fat and I just didn't know what to do and he was torture me and I went up to a club and I started meeting good people knowing the club all nice.
SPEAKER_04:The boxing is it's a different people like and then because they're trying to they were trying to introduce boxing into the into the jails a wee bit. Oh see they did they had the balls on it in the same way.
SPEAKER_01:I was getting them angry and all, so they took the whole bag out now.
SPEAKER_04:Like I think they were trying to do it in the introducing the hair bank as well for kids, like younger ones, no, like young offenders. It's cause they still have time on their hands, they can maybe do something. Um but uh I just I think boxing's the best answer to everything.
SPEAKER_00:See the many people's lives, it's actually changing people, actually their parents contact me that are fighting actually on my shows. I've never had guidance to get into boxing or anything like that. It's just like that they'd contact me and they can make something of their lives, so this is what I'm I'm happy enough doing what I'm doing because it's changing people's lives too. Uh-huh. Because when he came to me, I gave him kind of an ultimatum. I was like, You go back that life, it's like uh uh I can't help you anymore.
SPEAKER_04:But see now, just from just off the back of you going to shirt, you're probably gonna surround yourself with the people you're used to anymore because you're with him.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's 100%. Everyone's everyone I'm around involved in the boxing, up in the club, and all that's that's all my friends, and I like see everyone from like like seven, eight years ago.
SPEAKER_04:Nothing common with them no more. No, no, it's like I'm the same. Like I bumped into a few of my mates in the street, like I've a few I ran about with my whole life growing up, and I see them like and that's good to see them, but I'm like, well, like we spoon, no, I go over, but I've nothing common with them no more.
SPEAKER_01:Oh that's a way I'm talking about. I would not look down at them. I wouldn't look down at them because I because I was our one day. That's just not where you're at in your life, no. No, I just know what I know that I'm already at Ali now, they're you know what I mean. It's just me and him then, and I'm gonna do a ring for him now.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that's it, that's good.
SPEAKER_01:That's because I he he's actually up to him with your night. He was up on the Tuesday afternoon, does a pad. He loves us.
SPEAKER_04:What is he now? Ten. Ten, what's the way? That's exactly the way he is now.
SPEAKER_00:He's a shy kid. He's shy, but he can't run anyway. He's just like his daddy, but he's can he started coming to me, so you can see the bit of confidence coming in just a little bit.
SPEAKER_04:Like there's a fella I know my club now, uh he got me when I used to work on the busters, he's always asked me what we may be like, he's fucking these neighbour, he's the smartest and class, he's fast. He won't breathe, he won't be named, he's just timid won't get bring up the boxing club. He's like, fuck he wasn't gonna break fucking reserves, and I said, Bring up the box club for me. He said, Well nice table. Fucking boy too, fucking he's flanner, whole new person. And and that's darn the boxing, just crazy, just pulling dirty and being around that environment.
SPEAKER_01:We're getting a bit of hard time, and all we're looking at and you say that me, we're looking at the speaking, we're getting them up no longer self-defense, I don't want to defeat no and they got the earns it's been people spat and it feels good, Link.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I big time box clubs uh it's the same all the word lick, you know what I mean? It's like an international language. You go in the box club, it's respect you have for a coach. Like we were saying the other day, like we were in Monte Carlo, and our day he's smoking a fair and he goes, What's Mickey Hutton?
SPEAKER_00:It's just that respect you have. It's boxing does it it's like I know it's like him to see what it's done for his life, and like you've got like the the pallic rowers and snowball and like it's the I know it, Brennan. It's good. See even thinking about going out on um a full weekend banner. It's just it doesn't even agree with him anymore. They don't even want to do it. And there's like the going on in belts and I know our feelings.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's feeling of a fit. See the one the feeling of when the fit.
SPEAKER_01:I always say that's exactly what I'm saying. I always said the haven't you like dinner ring walk? He was sure it's been all scorched well in my face. I guess I start freaking out nervous and all the whole time.
SPEAKER_00:I would say the MC, no matter how nervous you get, you're gonna get a dinner. You're better off not burning, no, no turning, no turning back now. You're walking in and that's it. You know, yourself like from big venues, like you ought to see it all. You're about to walk in, you're about to do this myself.
SPEAKER_04:Let's go. Once the preparations done, you you you just get in and do your hang on me. It's the easiest part of the stuff.
SPEAKER_00:No buzz nigga, like it's just walking out the fight.
SPEAKER_04:So everyone has experience, like at least once. Like I was saying the other day, remember, like, I don't know if you've seen this video, it was like a video politician, Keir Storm or something, and he's punching the punch back and he's going like and he's like trying to hit it, and then going, how the f maybe that's five and you can swing bad legs and I'm like I go he's a good man and he like he's going like how can you go through your whole life without knowing how to thought like just to even just to do that. I know like without going like I'm going like this is this is people who run the fucking like these people are running companies and four puns. I think it's something that someone has experienced at least once in life to go and have a fit.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I believe like C schools and all should bring like a kind of a self-defense thing in boxing because once you know it, everybody respects each other no matter what it's good. Be honest, any bit of training does make you feel good if you're feeling down. Doctors are quick enough to do a medication, which we will fuck your head up. But they should give you a membership for a gym or whatever. I can't do this right. Stop fucking feeling so get up there, let's go. Get up the high, you fucking got this up, but it's about the six people now.
SPEAKER_01:We came up in the attendance and we we went down to Clayton phone James Burns. Oh, I aye. And I I was fucked out of the round and back and said, I can't do this. He's gone, you don't fucking quit. Shouldn't I many four rounds? I don't put it for it.
SPEAKER_04:You don't be capable of nothing.
SPEAKER_01:I went back and I said, fuck, I just call this off. I fucked her down and he went, You don't quit, you're not fucking quitting for sure.
SPEAKER_00:Two two fights they got done or something.
SPEAKER_04:Sometimes you need that, but sometimes you just need to be pulled out here pulled away from that like normal.
SPEAKER_01:100% there was there was one fight I had to go and he wasn't in the corner, and I thought I wasn't a CM and he was away on holiday, and I didn't want to pull out and back in the corner and I'm he fucked this here, I quit. No, he's but he he was already one lady quit. 100% that sounds good.
SPEAKER_04:You need that option. Well, like if if you're a starter, do you think like your life for a if you're if you're a startup boxing younger?
SPEAKER_01:I wish I had a started younger adds. I was actually saying I'm not trying to say, fuck I was just started because I really enjoyed it. No, and I knew it was short because it was I think it was 35, 36 when I started on three now. I knew me. I was gonna finish up and wanted to have one more fight, and he offered me a big one and said, I had to take it a call.
SPEAKER_00:So he fought a couple of bigger faders, no mine, and could stabbed the two tanes, but I think in his head he was thinking anytime he got touched, uh, he was gonna go down as it was feeling in his head.
SPEAKER_01:So I was just I was afraid to go forward or something.
SPEAKER_00:I put him on the guy called Sean Canley because I'd done a bit of work for him when I boxed as well, and it worked the treat for me. So I'd done it for him, and he went many years, did you?
SPEAKER_01:Two and a half years, ten fights on the feet.
SPEAKER_00:So then one for two balls, one male fan Clayton, male fan, a couple of big nights they guys, some fights that he thought everybody would have thought he was gonna get beat, and uh but we had him in with Sean, so Sean's he was saying he's I'll go and get Sean on the podcast.
SPEAKER_04:The psychology side of things with sport, like some people I me personally, I don't believe I need it. I think I'm very mentally strong anyway, and very mentally confident anyway in what I do. But for like for people in sport, it's massive. People believe in it, some people don't believe in it.
SPEAKER_00:I laugh because he's the way you talk there, so you have no Kikachi, the way he basically doesn't think he's gonna do well, but he just goes in and just blows everyone away. He's Kikachi. He's a different level, isn't it?
SPEAKER_04:Somewhere deep he said, he said, he says, Oh fuck. His mentality's mad, but somewhere deep down inside he knows, like you know what I mean. I remember Mickey telling me when he fought Joe Cordina um for the first World Tight League one, he was like, Well, obviously he won the IBO before that, but then he won that, but he was sort of like it in and he was like, Oh fuck. And then Mickey says when he put the gloves on, there'd be small gloves, and he was like, I was only the insane room like minutes before the fight, he was like, I ain't gonna fucking smash his head. He just knew he just says Mickey went, I've got him.
SPEAKER_00:He used to come up to the gym that he's waiting to spar. Levon used to train Ross the Georgians. Oh wow, yes, yes, yes, I'm gonna and he was coming up to spar him and uh Paul they were all getting to watch him though to start to get a look at this guy, you know, see what he's gonna be like. He comes walking over, sad he's baking egg and a coke before he doesn't spark. Sparta go on his and then he at that door and they get in there like, what the hell? No, they fuck me, what is it?
SPEAKER_04:Just naturally gifted and heavy-handed. Like you feel like serious, serious power like people see him do well, but he's stuck around like yourself. You just you just keep knocking on the door, so that's someone else. A hard game, the case. It's very easy to just because it's see, boxing is usually it's a hard game, it's fucking the sacrifice you make the money people think you're making and put it for a year, like I should catch you for years while making a panel, you know what I mean? Yep, and the feds bum bum bum bum bum.
SPEAKER_00:I think they're actually putting their own money in the the actual thing. There's boys in my thing like the but they're ready to turn pro, but they can't sell a ticket, so they can't really not. You have to pay you on a show now.
SPEAKER_04:You have to pay for your opponent. So you have to cover yeah, you're covering tickets, so we're covering your sponsorship money.
SPEAKER_00:And then there's the you have to their flights or hotels, you have even have to feed the fuckers too. And going and beat them up.
SPEAKER_04:So you're paying money to bother someone and feed them too.
SPEAKER_01:100%, 100%. What was my last fight last time? Well, now I'm training to be a PT and Sean's settling up. He's helped me bother at our long anyway, isn't it? Oh, that's classly. When I just started the box, and I just scored going to the gym, I was 160 kilos. And I scored to go into a gym 148 kilos and when up with him was uh I got it off slowly, so I think I could help people now because it's happening. You've done that, you've been on my journey, like and that be as embarrassed to come in though because I've been there and I've got her in my house. Fuck me.
SPEAKER_04:Like it's like it seems like for the first time you've got like a good sense of interaction with people around you, who's gaining, like.
SPEAKER_01:And the people you're running, and then once I got a lot of people that bad, I seen that I seen a different side of life. I'm the fuck was I for all them years ago?
SPEAKER_04:It's like if someone wants to fucking go and do something negative or bad, you're gonna go and do it with them. You know what I mean? If someone goes home, we're gonna grab a carrot and go on the repair and you're with them all the time, you're gonna go why fucking.
SPEAKER_01:I used to go out partying for like two weeks at a time, you know, and dive every week and do it again. No, I had no interest in that don't drink anymore. No, you're better off. Up the parking club, that's that's it, and go home and get the chair from school. That's it.
SPEAKER_04:That's mad how much more productive in your daily life for it.
SPEAKER_01:On Saturday, I went down my driving test for pass my test, first time ever as well. I'm able to drive a chip. First time drive us down.
SPEAKER_02:George says, I'll pick us up soon and he says, Yeah, money. That's one frog passes driving. That's me, folks.
SPEAKER_01:Fernant. I'm powerful. Driving infections over the years. I was actually sure I was I was telling him the way I was in a car accident with a couple of friends died, no, like in 2010. It's a big setback, so I wasn't just I was bad. I can understand. I probably won't if I was on the road, and I probably had died, you know what I mean? Yeah, I wasn't sure. But now is the right time I feeling good with them.
SPEAKER_04:So you f from that or would you like would you have like would you would you have spoken to anyone about that? Like like Sean, maybe or someone like that, just in terms of trauma, like the time of it, or you just cause it was added long, you know like it was a bit of counseling at there and all that.
SPEAKER_01:But I was just I just kind of dealt with myself, you know what I mean? Because I didn't really want to bring it up because families want to free and have it no their family their kids are doing. No, 100%. I know we're like, just grabbed away behind the scenes and then once I come out of jail and they seem to take any of me, I was it I just wanted to fuck this year, isn't it for me no more? I know there has to be a turning point that everyone's gonna be able to do it. I understand that.
SPEAKER_00:I'd have had people turn around saying to me, uh, what are you doing training them? You know, you know all this here, but negative shit now. Everybody deserves a second chance. Everyone got a chance, everyone a chance. And I give him that second chance, and I don't I never give up on him.
SPEAKER_01:No, I was like, I was in a party and he heard I was with people who he asked me not to be with, and he phoned me and said, I'm gonna get out of there. And he said, The next time he asked, he said that I said him that's if you want to go at life, I'm not gonna help you no more. No, I wasn't gonna have to go to the house.
SPEAKER_00:I told him that because I had people saying, Oh, like, what are you doing training him? And I mean, I've been friends for years, so I would never give up on him. Like, do you know what I mean? So I said to him, I basically told him what people say to me. I said, Don't be let me down. And here, look at him now.
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't wrong, like he did he changed, he helped me change it.
SPEAKER_04:A big part of me changed my life, or like I know, and here it's a big commitment too, like when you like from me as well. Obviously, you've got interviews and what's going on, like you've got your own kids and you've got your own shit going on and you're still trying to look out for people, it says a lot about you too.
SPEAKER_00:I just think we will from our area, just everybody should look out for each other. Everybody deserves a second chance. Like Fra. If anybody out there thinks that that there they can't do this in life, just look at Fra Lavery. What he done he should be proud of himself.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't think it was possible, like at the starting. I was just going, how am I getting down even 22 stone here? Fuck, I single end up taking a heart attack.
SPEAKER_00:He was lost now much weight. I was laughing. He looked like Van Diesel. So we were calling him Fran Diesel. That's right. You put the picture of Van Diesel and you can say each other.
SPEAKER_01:No, with the Passing Club, I love it. But as I said, I'm still being up the Passing Club training all the time, like I couldn't I couldn't look back, man.
SPEAKER_04:You're gonna look in there and PT. Well but that's it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not gonna do a course in the PT it takes. It takes three months to get a diploma and all the means anyone that's happy, it doesn't want to go into the gym. I've been there, no, mean it might feel comfortable. I'd like to help people 'cause I knew how much I need to help anytime. I mean I like to be a person to do it now.
SPEAKER_04:Hundred percent. I'd probably be worth like probably checking them out like when I am no like the West Wellbeer or something and maybe working with famines in terms of Mons maybe funding. That's corner, isn't it? They they look after like they're in work. So it'd be something like that with you because there's uh there's fucking there's not enough help out there for people like no and me and then.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, it's definitely one of that's definitely the next thing I want to do. Like it was in my head one day after I have paid my license and then I'm gonna be a PT here by summer, fully qualified. No, he was talking about Jimmy said, I felt like I'd be working with Sadie here, sorry.
SPEAKER_04:It's just getting that way, it's just we like goal setting. It's mad how you've come from like the way you were in jail, you're in there to jail your whole life. Uh and then you get out of jail, you start boxing, you set a wee goal. It's just it seems like it's just like we goal after goal, it's just coming to life. You're two fights, you were like, I don't want to do this no more. And then next thing you end up fighting ten fights undefeated, and then you get two belts, and then you're setting a a drain test, and then you get the draining test, and then now you're going to want to be a PT, and then you're gonna do it and then you want to have it. That's so good. That's what happened. That's what that's that's the benefits of of starting the lifestyle. That's kind of like a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01:He's the first one around, even though it has a thousand words on the phone that journal pack of has a lot of.
SPEAKER_00:That's classic because that's it's the way he's turned his life around. Like it's just been amazing. Like he's done it, he's he's done things that he never thought he'd ever. He never even thought you'd be back on the road.
SPEAKER_01:I was never thinking about it in there because everything you found up to it is it's time to go on the road with Chen and driving the school like a small drove in the school and stamp got the hatch all on the way down. It's like a end of taxi and say, I mean, I've got I've got my own show now.
SPEAKER_04:Taxi for twelve taxi the one over five, you said Nah, but here you do you have to get mad. Like as I say, we've had a I've had a few people in the eye here showberg, including my own brawler and me, Arnold Smith, and it just seems like more it's it's people uh it's happening more often now. People are starting to get rid of they're going fuck that life. Becoming the new fashion had to go out and drink now. Do you not drink? Do you not do not you're loser? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:I used to say I couldn't go with drinking and then I bought my coconut. It was a bad life and then I trust I don't even drink no more, just don't bother nobody. It's a by product. Even look at all the ones in the club now, you're going, That's fuck that's what that's what friends are like, you know what I mean? Years ago they weren't mates, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_04:You thought they were just there to piss up your back and then you're gonna be able to go to jail, you didn't hear nothing ever again, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:And then you're you're in the jail for a couple of years later, and next they're all back in the scene. I mean, I just wasn't for me no more.
SPEAKER_04:I know, a hundred percent. Like I have family now who's in there to jail as well, and they're fucking the same hassle, but it's like I need to have a patience at your to deal with them, you know what I mean? It's you to keep fucking throwing it in your face. No, if you do happen, like I had a f I don't f I have a family I remember calling up my brother had him out working with him and then he he had he was sober for like six or seven or eight weeks or wasn't he's back on the crack again and he's fucking slabbing in there back and then he done it all again, and he don't and then he goes into jail and he didn't take anything for two years in jail and he put on two stone or something. He's he was loving it all delayed and he gets out of jail and just straight back to his own way, and he keeps doing it, he just keeps going back to his own ways, and then going what much patience need to have here to deal with before he just goes he doesn't monitor. I just believe I think he just needs to find I think just leave him be until he finds himself that he wants to fuck and stop and be serious about it.
SPEAKER_00:I just believe, like, see if you don't want to help yourself or something like that. You can waste your own energy trying to drill it into someone else. So as you say, I have kids and uh have my own life to live too. You have your own life to live, so does he. But if people don't want to help themselves, so there's nothing you can do about it.
SPEAKER_04:Nah, people need to hit that rock bottom near enough to go like I can't do this no more. No, I mean it's near enough like one of the old. It's like but when they're in when when they're getting told by all people, it's like fuck what I mean, like you don't want to do it.
SPEAKER_01:I I always find out see the see like when it seemed like it's two months, I stayed cleaner but two months. You always had a we know to go back. Well see how there was about six, seven, eight months went on. I was going, I couldn't even look at it now, I couldn't even look at that lifelike. I don't look like I said, I don't look down at people with a I wouldn't I wouldn't associate myself in any way. I just like people are different, like people. I want to send a saddle over the chair and say that him say no, and it's not the thing right kind of lifestyle. That's that's one of the plan that I like. And not at him, me and him's uh we're trying to get in our wee house, no, he's coming at me full time though, as well because everything's changed.
SPEAKER_04:Are you going to uh get him in the obviously gonna get him in the boxing club?
SPEAKER_01:Oh no, he loves it. He was up he was up every Tuesday afternoon and a half free guard to screw with Jarrett and gets a big one to one with him in the pads, he loves it. He's come on, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04:Will you get him in the boxing club running or like will you put him in the boxing club?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, he's only ten. Maybe I see how he gets on. I don't know why I just want to really learn the defense bit of it, no, I mean just ways he's disciplined. So if he has to ever stand up for himself, be calm. I don't know if he I don't know if he's in for the fighting as easy, he's a wee bit shy.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I don't know, but that's Disney before the way for the we lads joined the club with James, he ended up going home and then he's telling us and he's up and he's having coaching, he's still fighting and he was the same. He couldn't he wasn't even he completely wasn't even saying Lodi when he was a kid.
SPEAKER_01:So it was like our mark, our mark was shy when he's really shy on the answer when it's trying to win the colour. So McKenzie may take a look, you never know.
SPEAKER_04:It's just one of them hangs, and then you just have to fucking I I think Boxing gets the best out of people like it's from young age, they get the brings that brings murder reshale or whatever.
SPEAKER_01:She used to judge every hand from there's the judge of fight.
SPEAKER_04:You were always I think maybe you boxed when you were younger as a whole you're a whole lot of people.
SPEAKER_01:I never had a fight like never never had the first fight I had was where Jordan was the exhibition. It was like I must have been about 24 screen the first exhibition.
SPEAKER_00:I was like he he was like having a hammer, but even doing exhibition.
SPEAKER_01:I was embarrassed because was that happy, I was going like how am I gonna walk in there? What how am I gonna walk in the club in like a bat a gym here and it's heavy and go on the running machine and come do it? And he'd say, Come on to me. And I thought it must have been after about two months, I was going, Fuck this is brilliant, I love this nice holiday.
SPEAKER_04:It's a feeling after, isn't it? Seeing you train, it's like on the world. See, I say I had an RGM, like I'm in the gym, there's people fucking they always complain to you, and I'm like, Listen, see when you just get hungry children, get something to eat and tax me and let me know how it's feeling. And they're always like, that was amazing, thank you so much. And I go totally.
SPEAKER_00:And you know what I mean? You'll feel fucking shit for the rest of the week. But if you train, it'll be hard at the time and you'll feel bad for the rest of the week.
SPEAKER_01:See the only thing that doubling here's from ourselves like leave. That's not just me, there's a lot of people know I had a bad starting life. Some platforms have been given like no class hands.
SPEAKER_04:There's some fate, see the way there's better fighting there's pro boxing. Oh man, I love it. Seeing boxing, pro boxing, everything's like obviously tanned, and it's like it's a it's a level of like taming and everything's done to like perfection near enough. Up or they give it the role. They just get on and beat the balls every sore. It's unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00:It has got better, because we've been at like big Connor Cook Kick Mundo. Two fates, two furts right now. So he's a he's a massive fate here and sadness. Is he doing a burnout? I thought he's fighting for a title, but I Connor's definitely gonna go on to when I worry about it.
SPEAKER_04:I actually had him put him on this year a couple of months ago, and then for whatever reason it felt here, I'm working on that. We'll get it sort of never reached Gazle again. So hopefully he gets a good one here and saying.
SPEAKER_00:He's a very humble fella. Ah, yeah. I can see on our uh our shows and all that, because he's a high profile fitter like yourself, you know what I mean. But uh he promotes it so well and he just he's just he's just he's such a nice guy. Just down the earth. But I I do think he'll become the first Irish world champion or knuckle, hundred percent likely. And Big Turner was on your show as well, remember?
SPEAKER_04:I was actually talking about Turner from the main mini account. He fought in the two as well. So big names. To Poland, he was a fight's a fight. He's just always been a lunatic, but he's heavy, heavy handed, like heavy handed, he's always been heavy-handed.
SPEAKER_01:Man from England was tough. Your man's fighting hanging, whenever it was Lucas Burning.
SPEAKER_00:He fought in our show you this guy's fighting. He's fighting Lucas Burn down Hill's promotions with you as well.
SPEAKER_04:Burn up, I don't think it's gloves. Isn't it gloves are? Misfits boxing see you like that's what Andy, Andy Malone's gonna fight on that misfits. He sent a two-fight contract to get two fates on Misfits, and he won't go. And he did, did he? Oh that's a good pro that's fucking that gets more views, most boxing shows. He's a mild, he's a mile many. But then he's fighting your man, Keelan. Keelan, is it? He's fighting him in Armagh or something. What is he fighting him? Somewhere down Arm A, Shields, She's Night Club. No, I think it's Arm R or something, somewhere in Shields, Shees, Night Club or something. I think I've said I'm a fine. We'll team up and do a couple of recessions again. Just all task married school. I know I know it. I love it all the week, but I bring everybody else on with him and he loves it.
SPEAKER_03:He loves it, but that's another one. He's always calling it a big guy from the head.
SPEAKER_04:He loves it, he was stoned from the back of the hall.
SPEAKER_03:Tony Belly wants him next to him.
SPEAKER_04:Tony Belly was gonna give it to him. He never heard you. He said, Ah, I'm the number one in Ireland that I'll fucking give you that or something just to do, but he was saying it in a way where Tony cutting here, man. And Tony like Scous are very somebody else, like they don't their accents or something. He's like, What the fuck do you say? And then Ali goes one of the money joking or something like that. He's like, Fuck six, I know they don't hold back like you know what I mean. Them scouts are cheeky enough to be like the fuck are you talking to? They're like very like us, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, Ali's very full and he's very upfront, and he's in there for those not like everyone's going like as he's as he's able to a gentleman.
SPEAKER_04:See, people just that's him saying people don't see a proper side of him. It's just obviously he he knows how to market himself, he does what he's doing. The reason why he got on that misfits because the way he is on the video.
SPEAKER_00:It's working for him, like he can get the public eye.
SPEAKER_04:Oh I know he doesn't mean being controversial, it doesn't mean people say to him.
SPEAKER_00:I got a couple of lads fighting them one of his weeks. I was before McConnell uh he done a couple of exhibitions now. He's son Lucas, he done like a bee exhibition as well. So we got a few on his one of his shows. Lucas is he boxing our Lucas hasn't boxed it, he's good load of exhibitions, but uh he's only ten, but anyway, he's too young, so he's not boxed.
SPEAKER_04:Next one next year he turns out.
SPEAKER_00:Who's he boxing for? He's still in Corpus now, so he was, and then some Magels just he's floating about a week, couple of clubs, so I let him decide, don't mind. He likes Corpus like he's been doing there, and he knows all the kids from Gleon, though I always that's where we all came from, no man.
SPEAKER_01:But he doesn't actually pay us none of that. I showed an Irish champions, right?
SPEAKER_00:He hadn't done anything like he just got in it. Done two spars, and I showed him a video of the we line, he was pretty good, and I said but he thinks son, he went, all right, let's go, Dally.
SPEAKER_04:Not put pressure on you, but they go like here your relap box, like if he wants.
SPEAKER_00:That's what I do, but he's good in football too, Sean. But I do yeah, I'd see his boxing he's fucking so talented.
SPEAKER_04:See, like when I was growing up as a kid boxing, I just boxed as a sport. It wasn't that to be, it wasn't that like I wasn't, oh I ain't gonna be yes, I ain't gonna I ain't gonna box for a job, that's gonna be my life. I didn't know what was gonna happen. It just happened. It just happened, but I mean I think kids nowadays was because of so much access to social media and plus so much people in Belfast are doing well now. But like when I was a kid growing up, it was only probably Damien Kelly, Brian McGee, Eamon McGee. And even still they weren't world champions like they were just they were they were the three m main names that I probably had looking like to look up to. Yeah. And either so much world, you've losed Crocker, Kakati, you've met like so much people, Helen, shoes, Corey. I wanna put it all within, and then these kids are going, fuck that's what I want to do. Yeah. Well for me, I was sort of half gone, this is only a sport, I just boxes I love it. But I'm not gonna be like I wasn't I never really had it in my head that it was gonna become a job or it was gonna be full time.
SPEAKER_00:But I was looking at the I was looking at your fate the other day, and the way that uh design, whatever he called his own eye. They shared something about your fate, but I I go down and have a nose at the comments, see what people say, you know what I mean? And load them were saying about Barboza.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Saying that's the guy that beat Barboza at ten rounds that he's gonna be.
SPEAKER_04:And then everyone was commenting saying that's the guy who screwed Barboza.
SPEAKER_00:There was not one negative uh comment about you, you know what I mean? It was all like, Well, when you're a fight, man, you get robbed in America, remember?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's it. It's just uh like she with boxing, it's political, it's politics, it's fucked up. I I was just put on the shelf for four for ages and ages and ages, and fair play the big as I at that GB and they came out and gave me a we a couple of feet deal, got me three fates on six months, but for 14 months I was doing fuck off. See when they had fourteen months I could have been like uh like a catchy, I could have been very easy for me to go like no what fuck it's give up. I just give up my eye. Not getting an opportunity, Allie wasn't giving me an opportunity, no one would give me an opportunity because I was like, what's the point? They were going uh I was like, I didn't have any ranking. WBO was took me out of the rankings after loss to Barbozzi, even though I won. They just took me completely the rankings, and I was like, why the fuck would I fight him for? Yeah, he's not even right in the top ten. So I was like, fuck that. Well, like I had to rebuild of sixth rounder and then fought for an IBF European thing.
SPEAKER_00:By the way, you were saying people think you're making a fortune, but see boxing, it's the most fucking unpaid sport in the world. I don't know. Yeah, these footballers are sitting on a substitute bed.
SPEAKER_04:I said like thousands, and then you have like I was as good at football as I would boxing, that'd be a multi million, that'd be a multi-multi media play in Premier League. Like as good as An Boxing, the world word hit as an ice cream. On a five-year contract. So it's fucking it's it's different. It's two different obviously two more sports.
SPEAKER_00:But him and his coach, we actually say them, he's really good. And uh we say to him, like you gotta sell like fucking eighty to a hundred tickets and that's just a fate, that's not even money. You don't mind unless you're having that.
SPEAKER_04:If you can get if you're a big ticket seller like and there's big shows that come, but at the end of the game, we only get one or two big shows a year, like Marchman will probably come here twice next year or lose, maybe. Maybe next one. Potentially thought of it like a bit when they're parking on April, but as I say, like if you're a big ticket seller, Marchum will put you on it and and like there's a couple of weeks, Jack and Jago Nelly sells hundreds of tickets, hundreds of tickets, and they always get 'em on the car. Because it's two Germans, you know what I mean? But then outside that you're fucking there's no chance. You know what I mean? That's why like most pro boxers work fucking full-time jobs and then have to go and do that.
SPEAKER_00:I remember working and fucking getting out after and finishing work, going for a run at half ten for an hour forty minutes and then back in the shower up for the next morning, uh going to uh the gym and then back to work at night and then I rattling. Like it's a big one.
SPEAKER_04:Oh fuck, but no lesson. What what what what so what that's you you're you're going to turn or is that you're going to be able to do that? Oh well, I was a journey to me.
SPEAKER_01:There was a weird little journey, and then we got that we had the balls and he's him up on this wall or like world tells them, that's what he treats him like no meaning he loves him, his shorts don't hung up on his wall. Going to try and be a PT now and help heavily free to go in the gym, is no mean. Because I was I was there one time and I think I'd be good to help him. Sean Conley's been he's been helping me at the earth, but he's been sending me free of this, and that's that's a good thing for the go into and help people who've been talking to him about it. So that's that's from that's my next plan, like Brennan.
SPEAKER_04:And then what about you with uh what's the ambition for WH MOVES?
SPEAKER_00:Trying to go bigger and better, like that's your listen.
SPEAKER_04:Have you ever thought about the broadcast of like like filming it, like videoing it and pay the review? Pay review pay review on it.
SPEAKER_00:I get the billboards now over the Northern Ireland, like Brandon.
SPEAKER_01:I think I don't I just want the billboards in the last place, and I'm bringing Marina down looking at it and it's classic.
SPEAKER_00:But uh just keep doing what we're doing, and just I'm gonna I've I used to do about four a year, but we're gonna just cut it down to two years because there's so many promotions doing it at the minute, so I'll give everyone else a chance to get a piece of the pie. So what ways it works? Do you use each other's feathers or are you just feathers? Main change flu no, but work a lot together, you know what I mean, and then all the other ones we work with them, no get fetters for the Emmons. But if they can't get fetters, do you have CM fetters? Do you train them? Do you train them all? Me and Ryan Allen trains him, and then James and all, and there's other ones like Lee Palmer and Lee Gamble and all there. They're from down Derry. We go as far as Derry and Dublin. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And then Fashree Sean, Sean, uh Def Messi, we call him Sean. Oh, do you know Sean? Sean Paul with the the hearing. Oh Sean, yes, yes. Def Messian uh in Dublin. Um Sean was up at the other day in the Danish. I was fucking making waiting for Dervela was singing in the Danish at Jim Connell's mass funeral or something. So I was in and I've seen Matt Def Messi. I was like, what's happening? Man said he were getting they they were drawing one each or something for leads, he was like, fuck's sake, and he's Liverpool, we were having a crack, and he sent out the but see Def Messi, he he's a good boxer. And there was around the prize fader, Pete in Dublin. Pete Taylor was on the prize fader and two fetters pulled out. Truman goes, Here, Dave McCommel did. And Pete was like, Well, he's like, I'll phone Dave McCommel, dude. No, and Trum McKenna phone heads rang and fuck sick, he hadn't trained in years.
SPEAKER_01:Did Pete come up during the winds were from a big turn, I think. Oh I was uh oh I was Phil Silk Cliff also. He was up with a McGregor Jeep and all the stickers and all the settings and McGregor Jeep and all.
SPEAKER_04:Oh and then they end up the fucking team down and fought night she won Dublin anyway, and then he he beat your man the families and then fought your man death masse in the fanal and that death masse beat him. Or they was going fuck he's filled as fuck, but he's in some neck, you know, so he trains. Nah, don't box no more, but he does have clock hangings don't want to see shit, but he's fucking some neck.
SPEAKER_00:So dude, but he's he's been working with me from the very start with the show.
SPEAKER_04:He's good lad. And he's the same as you, he was a fla he was he's perfect. We flat out in the car, no tail tail, like a flat out he he played fucking top top level football for being deaf. Like a crusaders tried to say him. He says he just went nah and that's it, and he's he was flat out drinking off every week after football on the drinking on the car. Now he's just completely sober, trains flat out, flat him out done the same thing. He done Matt and Box and all people's legs gone to deaf and he can box. And he was he's very good at it too. And then uh rematch, he goes on and he's fucking changed his whole life for him, but then now he has his own gym. Yeah, he has his own gym and he's having all the same people doing all the same and he brings him up to your face. That's exactly the same hanging.
SPEAKER_00:Everyone I think it's becoming a new train. Now everybody's going, Mama go out, drink, take drugs, book holidays. Everybody comes hitting a gym and I'd say any doctors fucking out there quick enough to hand out antidepressants. 100% fucking uh a month's membership for hundred percent and go and train for a month and come back.
SPEAKER_04:That's it. I say the Andy Malone, I says when he was over an Alfred me, he was like he was just buzzing every day 'cause he was training, feeling good, eating good. I said, see if I had see if you had your way, see if anyone who says they've got mental health problems, I says, right, no, do you come here with me and brought me to Al Storm with me and said, Do you train with me every day for the next two weeks? I bagging any money now, you will not be depressed, you will not have mental health issues, you just be gone, just clean linen, no fucking tablets, no antidepressants, no nothing, just train. Twice a day and eat good and sleep. And I bag any money every your mental health issues will be gone. Like that's it, so that's it's it.
SPEAKER_01:I I did have I wasn't bad mental health, but I was I'd have suffered no meaning I didn't want to leave a house and all, like just stuck in a rut kind of thing, and then he went up to the club and I'm changed. I met a couple of guys and I've classes friends like brows now for life and all that.
SPEAKER_00:But I think people have as watched Fra doing what he's done and inspiring me all the time and all now. Like, he's come over some more. No, but he didn't silly, he's going you it was him, you don't.
SPEAKER_01:I don't think I was done on my own as well, but no, but I don't think I was uncomfortable to do.
SPEAKER_04:You need someone who you respect enough to be like he saying, if you're sitting out party rounds, we're done.
SPEAKER_01:It was even before jar boxes that I was out there to phone me and all. He'd always looked at me beforehand. Then was it's been once I wanted the chains and he seen one of the chains, I was out in it all.
SPEAKER_04:I know 100%. Because it's very easy when you're when you're in your own head, you go, fuck, I've been never drink too much.
SPEAKER_00:You just go one direct. I was in lower direction from Fra, but so when I tried to pull him up out of it, no mind there as well. I tried to pull out, but it just stayed that direction. So but he came back up that row were melee, so I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_01:I wouldn't look back. That's even outside.
SPEAKER_00:That's him, Matsy's. Look at us look at his numbers.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's not a lad crap. Over ten and a half stone open weight legs when we start a battle. I didn't I didn't know it was his habits, wasn't it? Was one day I'm going up a street ladder saying at the top and couldn't even breathe. I I have I have a picture I have cast my starting on publicity, and you when you look at it, you go.
SPEAKER_00:You're like a fame, man. You're getting bad looking at leads.
SPEAKER_01:But uh no, it was class, it was a class journey. Like it's now we're no in the box and the fight and so we're not going to carry on. Help me, you'll have to be a little bit more than a little bit.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna help him out in the corner or something, and then I'm gonna try and still be part of the team.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna try and be a PT, like, and then like the help people are. I'm gonna try and live. I won't be the one I'm gonna there's people, there's a rally people say to me, like no mean of the overbeat. And that's what maybe I've got a man foot and then Sean Congress. Everyone said me, just do it as well.
SPEAKER_04:Alright, listen, if that's what you enjoy doing, and you'll see.
SPEAKER_01:It's all working out. Brennan. It's crazy for the license and all that.
SPEAKER_04:Well, no, listen, lads. I appreciate you coming on. I'm sure you're yarn, and it's brilliant to see you both doing well as always. These are fucking good people, and I like to see good people doing well. So congratulations on real performance.
SPEAKER_01:Cheers, lads. Magic.
SPEAKER_00:Catch you can do it, you can do it. That's right.