The Public Nuisance Podcast #065 “Live from Amsterdam” with Pete Taylor

Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.

This week we welcome Pete Taylor to the podcast.

We cover recording from Amsterdam, influencer boxing money versus real fighters’ paydays, Jake Paul changing the game, amateurs grinding for years with no exposure, Eddie Hearn loyalty debates, Conor Benn controversy, drug-test chaos, boxing politics, too many belts and whether one champion would fix everything, UFC structure versus boxing fragmentation, unification confusion, promoters controlling careers, Irish fighters struggling for TV slots, Monte Carlo opportunities after losses, Sheffield setbacks, why losing matters more now than in the 80s, Hagler-Hearns nostalgia, amateur versus pro differences, small gloves versus big gloves reality, sparring stories, coaching lessons, grassroots Irish clubs producing champions, media narratives destroying reputations, Katie Taylor and Croke Park dreams, government funding hypocrisy, slap fighting madness, bare-knuckle insanity, wild new fight format ideas, elevator championship concepts, why boxing is equal parts beautiful sport and chaotic business and much more.

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Transcript

Setting The Stage In Amsterdam

SPEAKER_02 0:07

Welcome to this episode of the Putinists podcast brought to you Nathan Killing Studios from Amsterdam right here with my good mate, Pete Taylor. Listen, we've been talking about the mom on for a while. We're here now. All things boxing. We chat every day about boxing when we're together. We've some great conversations and we're just talking one now and it's it's it's smart to just talk about the money and boxing. It's like when you get to the top of the game and you've surpassed everybody, let's say Usick, for example.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

And then kickboxing. Crazy. So it's probably even more money.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Yeah. But it's the same as this influencers won't.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Influencers, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

You know, you it says I don't know, people say it's good and it's bad. What's the opinion that? I don't know. You say say you like say yourself, all the amateur boxers are fixed boxing up to the what yeah. They're really benefiting from it.

Influencers Enter The Ring

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Yeah. We we spoke about this the other day. Remember, he says we've made boxing proper for the for the YouTubers to come in and do it. But the YouTubers now, some of the YouTubers, let's say Jake Paul, for example, and giving Katie the opportunities in return. So it's you know, it I think it's just benefiting boxing as a whole. That's that's my personal belief. Like I some people may feel hard done by when they've boxed at a whole day, top level at eight comments are fiddles, and they've no profile, and they're much better than these YouTubers, then that's getting nowhere near the amount of money.

SPEAKER_01 1:36

Because they haven't got the exposure, so what are we doing? I know I think about the I thought Jake Paul does that's an exception.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

So you've got all these other lads fight, 30 grand. You could fight professors for life, and then get 30 grand.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

What do you call a guy training? He does one day with me. Omar I was talking to him today, he was offered 30 van. I says, No way. No twice, no way 30 grand. Try it twice a week, don't worry for 30 grand. He says, No way, I'm loved more than that, so that's because you like the mummy that goes around and that it's at that level. At that level, they're like they're not gonna get hurt.

Profile Versus Talent

SPEAKER_01 2:19

No, but it's uh boxing out most it's the kind of social media. Social mode.

SPEAKER_02 2:25

That's probably like one of the most fitted race of the kid that like the kidnapped follow up and like fills your social media, even though it's not something I would feel. Yeah, yeah. Or something I've never done, because it's just not my state. Let's say it's just the the the air we grew up in. Some people like if you look at that kid down with him, he's class at it. Yeah. He's a perfect example. Like he's not a bad boxer, not better than boxer, you know, by the way. Yeah, he's a new boxer, so yeah. If you could do that, then you'd half a chance.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah, but I think most most boxing introverts that that are not out there there's very few boxers that really have that kind of um profile.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Yeah. If there's so much introvert, yeah, but see if someone did have it, yeah, all the other boxers wouldn't like them. You know, you'd be like, you're a fucking loser, but it's contacting four himself photographer everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

I get slaughtered, they wouldn't.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Yeah, you'd be slaughtered because it's such a working class sport.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

But a few of the female boxers do it well.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, thousands of followers.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Yeah, they they do it well. Because they know I suppose you've got to put your ego in your back pocket, no, it'll feel down there.

Old School Eras And Undefeated Myths

SPEAKER_02 3:36

That's it. Something has to take the back seat. So you see, if you look over the eyes, like in the 80s, how cool box was what it means, how cool box and was the 80s. Even from the end of now it's almost like the best of the one that fight the best. If you look at like, let's say Hagler Marvin Hagler, Hurts, see right up, Rihanna, Charan, them four, fitting each other off. They never it's seen eye with like it's it's just it's all just fat. And then you just need some of the boxes coming in and I think it's just the money almost mineral.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Yeah, I think though, them days if you lost it wasn't a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

It wasn't a big deal, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Now it's a big deal if you lose. As you lose the o it's a big deal. Yeah. And then you say so for boxing me. What's your opinion? But is it coming now? Because you was you might be looking for a contract.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

I love supper boxing. I think the money's wrong.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

What's your opinion on Ben?

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Leaving my my own personal opinion on Ben and that's what boxing is I think Ben was wrong. I think Ben was wrong. Like, when when you look at how much Addie Hearn fought his funny um throughout all that tough time, it was a two-year trial and on and on and on. Addie hearn was getting up on him once.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

But he should have done it. But he should have done because he's got a chance to get a child cheat.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Yeah, he was a drug cheat. But if Addie Hearn truly believed he was in the right, well then he believed fully that he was. Now whether he's a troublesheet or not, I don't know he wasn't he wasn't caught, officially, by in the end, the way whatever way they worked out the drug process.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Okay.

Contracts, Loyalty, And Drug Controversies

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Um that's why the the past him, because the British box reports to Fermouth. Um but even even all that being said, he still it shows you how good of a friend Ed Hearn was. Even if he knew he was a drug cheat, if Eddie Hearn knew he was a drug cheat, he still stuck by him as a friend. Big shout out to that praise guy. Changing people's lives daily with massive appraises at stake. Should across it there, socials appraises on the store, and who knows, you may be the next thing up either.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Did he still buy him as a friend or is it because he was a good business?

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Well that's a question. But if he never if he was never if he was never cleared, he wouldn't have had any business. So it wouldn't cost that any money.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

So it's a risk, isn't it? Yeah, it's a risk, but if somebody if somebody if if somebody comes, it's like business, if somebody comes and you're getting five million off this lad and somebody offers you ten million, do you go for the ten million? If you work for Google and that you're getting five million a year, and Apple coming off you ten million.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Yeah, but the thing is, is there a personal is there a personal relationship involved?

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yeah, well we we don't know that as well. Obviously, obviously, obviously Ben doesn't think that. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

And I and I suppose that's it, that's the thing where you're not as close as you think. We're not as close to it all as you think you are because we're in the boxing circle. People here in close will understand. Put this right, Ben had no problem to it. He never had the same choice of us.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Yeah, I don't I don't I don't think you even I think it's the way you handled it as well.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Maybe you should have uh batteries on it, yeah. The bit bars and handle.

SPEAKER_02 6:56

Maybe give you a couple of quid of it, maybe give you a better couple of quid and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

You should have um and then maybe his would have could have countered off it.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Yeah, 100%. What do you think it's gonna happen with it? Because I don't know, I don't really know the the uh outlay of it, but see um when you look at let's say you want to unify a world tightly, is that all being included in unification?

One Belt Or Many

SPEAKER_01 7:19

I'm not followed to tell you the truth. I think you've got to be a boxer from the that's what I mean, so it's trying to dominate the boxing end of it.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

If you have a EFC, if you're EFC, you like be a champion, you can only fight for EFC. There's only one belt. Yeah, yeah. And it's one organisation. So I'm wondering Do you know like there's PFL and EFC or EFL and MMA, there's case boys and there's EFC. Yeah. EFC is the main one and it's the only one that you can't mind. But you can't five four belts. Right. And boxing you can't like case is worth more. Yeah, but just as open boxing.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Do you think boxing is better with one belt? Or four belts. One belt? Yeah. But it's probably five. There's five, yeah. But the problem with one belt it's um it's very hard to get a world title fight because it's there's four belts nice dogs.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Can't get a fight for getting a fair fight.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

And um, yeah, I don't know. Um it's too many belts. Too many belts. That's the belt.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

That's the town, but again, it's but it's more opportunities for more fighters. When you look at boxing, there's a whole amount of fighters in each week category, like, yeah. What chance do you got? Yeah. You know what I mean? If it was one belt at every date.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Yeah, you'd have no chance. You have absolutely no chance of getting our leak. Yeah, you see.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

You have no chance anyway, unless you've got a pretty good back, and yeah, good social media. Yeah, 100%, just like percent.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

It doesn't matter.

Weight Classes, Levels, And Matchmaking

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Like it it's my because if you look at like the words happening, let's say again back to the age, you're looking at like late middleweights, and you have like Marvin Hydra. Imagine him fighting concept. Do you know what I mean? And they're kind of talking about Connor Banks in Fort Work Hill. He fought then he fighting late middling, he fought late middling after you went junior.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

Imagine him fighting Marvin Highway, that's you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Oh yeah, but if they're talking about Garcia. Garcia, I know Garcia will be the thing. Garcia beat him. Easy. Easy. Easy. His best opponent's been Eubanks. Yeah. Ewbanks' best win was against Smith. Smith beat him before that. You gotta look at levels.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Like is he is he British level? Is he would he win a British title?

unknown 9:49

Yeah.

Size Perception And TV Illusions

SPEAKER_02 9:54

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SPEAKER_01 11:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

But when you stand beside them, I'm going on like fuck me.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Well it boxing. If if you're British, you're all you're gonna always get the chance. Irish boxing gets a little chance. Very little chance. Very very small opportunity as well.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, there's no more. Which is which is sad. But even if you're an Irish promoter, what TV do you get? You know what I mean? It's like you need proper broadcasting for TV experience.

Irish Boxing’s Small Window

SPEAKER_01 11:36

I think me and Jazzer had a great idea. So I think you were involved with this idea, well. Box box boxing in boxing in the elevator.

SPEAKER_02 11:46

Oh, in the elevator.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Box in the elevator. Smaller floor.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

That's a good idea. So we get in the elevator on the first floor. Then you get the floor t. Yeah. And everybody just gets a and a point at the end, so it's one of the stays on. You come back to the top of the chat. Thank you. That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

You could elevate a champion to get a word title fight.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Once you get to a top, you get the word title fight.

Wild Format Ideas And Viral Spectacle

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Sure, there's uh in New York, there's like subway wrestling. Is it? Usually like a subway park that they tried, and they're just doing like WWE wrestling matches. They're like pretending to be the like wrestlers. Yeah. Like someone might dress up as like Chicken or something. Yeah. And then come out, they're like Subway Suppersmann of all. But there's been a couple of wrestlers who've like been in New York and have like went top like a guest appearance and like walk.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

It's mad, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 13:09

It's kind of like it's not a bad idea, but not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

You go get the get the right promoter behind it and call the quin the way you go.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

I think all you have to do is get a well tick tock.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

TikTok, TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Yeah, the TikTok channel live.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Do you remember it? See, in the uh there's this thing I seen on, I don't I don't know if you've seen it, but there's two lads sitting in the car and there's they've got gloves on. And it's like three or a hair gear comes you with gloves on. It's like you're sitting in a seat one, sitting in a seat once, and then that's it. It's like three, you've got seatbelts on, and it's like three, two, one go, and you're just trying to get the seatbelt off with your gloves on. You ever get the seatbelts off first, just wired in. So the question's like it's trying to get the seatbelts off. It's like we should eat it. So it's uh it's fucking just goes into the alignment. What do you get views? Look at the slap. You stand up, you hold it. You toss the coin, the slap and championship, you know, white ball.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Oh yeah, no hard.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Toss the coin, you get to go first, we get to go first has to win.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

I was changed.

SPEAKER_02 14:16

We cannot be great, then.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

But this has changed though against why. Yeah, but it's uh women doing it.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

That's kinky, it's that's that's a fanish.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Page that's for Pierce.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

What?

SPEAKER_00 14:36

And she joined that.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Can I just be barred? Why would you want to? Why would you want to? It's you're taking some nerve not to flinch. Just not allowing it.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

You'd always want to go. And you know what's coming, it's like how do you train for it?

SPEAKER_01 14:54

How do you even train for it? You know what I mean? How do you train for it? Chin condition. Yeah. How do you train for it? And they catch you with a pan.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

That's what I mean, the palm of the hand like those when it's a thud.

Slap Leagues And Bare Knuckle

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Yeah, it's worse now. It's worse. If you get even the if they catch you around round a year, yeah. Push the ears. But a mad spots. But it's the same as bed knuckle fighting now, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah, it's massive now. Massive as well. Massive. And you get the valley actually, you see feathers going into it, and it's tell them and it's sort of pushing it now, and other people are starting to go into it, so it's not low. Again, people try and get boxers into it, it's a different sport. I wouldn't should be paying me a millionaire when they would say no. Sean Taylor. Ah, he'd be good at because he's even stronger, but he's strong punchers, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

And and and it's plenty of our plenty of fire, Sean. He'd love it as well. I love it. That period of history. You thought it was a man was uh world champion. Yeah, world champion. And um I think he robbed or he was robbed under two fights. Crazy. When you go to Russia, you fucking do chance. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

When you go on as you're back or that takes some bottle as real.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Fight ten pizza.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

As soon as you hit once, it's like you've cut. Yeah, even if it's just a job. Yeah, exactly. Combat sports. Combat sports. It's like even on we were talking earlier, me and Katie just about the amateurs and the pros. I'm like, there's a difference there. Claire and your man, like playing like just tough, strong, physically coming. Your man couldn't miss your man. And it was like he's just brought him into a proof, a pro spot.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

You know, it's two different two different spots, you know, and you don't have to be playing never thought. Yeah, so he's doing okay as a as a as a pro. Just tough. What about just a tough man? Did you prefer amateur boxing and when I was there? I loved amateur boxing. I don't watch it anymore. I'm the same.

Russia Trips, Cuts, And Grit

SPEAKER_02 17:07

That's exactly how I was. I used to love amateur. Yeah, right, that's fine. And when I turned pro for about a year and a half, two years, right? And you think about amateur boxing stuff, I was always watching it. And then after that I was just I loved it, and now I don't even know anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Yeah, no, I would say I don't watch it. I didn't even watch the Olympic Games when you believe. And you used to look forward to the Olympic Games all the time.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

It's um it's the pinnacle of the sport, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

It's like when you get an understanding of that's when arrives, like I always had an idea of who he was doing what, and back, he was not what in the world and what fitter do you know always always just chapter? Because I was still I still felt a bit involved in him. Yeah. Because I you know, I don't know why. Um I think because a lot of the people he I trained with were still involved, like Kirk and stuff was still there, and I was tapping out in the emons, plus a lot of the opponents I boxed in the amateurs were still amateur.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

But do what do you think of the standard now, though? Amateur boxes.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Massively when you think that we were just talking earlier about how hard it was to win the Ice Elite, but then you looked at how busy the Ice Elite finals were.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah. You couldn't get a ticket. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Now it was about 22 bonds.

Amateurs Versus Pros: Two Sports

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah, there's too much, too many easier spots to do and um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Like if you look at that's like for for me to win the a late weight title, it was like you'd David Albert Joyce of George Page of Gary Holly, Eric Donovan. You know, all capable of winning a man international, yeah. Every one of them. And that was me just and if you look at Adam Nolan beating the old we were just talking Ian earlier, he's beating John D. Joyce, Roy McLaughlin, they're all international, really.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Um yeah, it was it was I think the same is with females though. I think say when Katie was boxing in the amateurs, there wasn't as many as many female boxers. So to be a good female to be a female boxer, you had to be competing with the men. Yeah. Because there's no females in the clubs, so you had to be having but now it's probably controversial, but there's so many girls now. Yeah, but there's a lot of quantity, but not the same quality. Yeah, the same quality. That's why even the world champions now. Every woman world champions still in the late 30s.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Because the young people can't take over.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

When K Km. I sparked game myself. I was 56 about stage. And then remember Spawner and the World Mats in the gym in the the old high performance. I was 56. And we run the mats and remember like in my head, I was gonna maybe try and think of the well, which was bought like wrong with me.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

Yeah.

Declining Interest In Amateur Boxing

SPEAKER_02 19:54

And I remember like one in, and I was like, mentioned this one. Like four or five pudges combination, but it was like midi-cistance. Yeah. And boom, boom, boom, and I remember going, what the fuck? Fuck this. I was like, fuck this. And I was starting laid back, and never she wanted that more. Yeah, yeah. But I wasn't, like I was still when we a kid was only 17, yeah, yeah. And I didn't know what way to do, I didn't know what to do, it was just because no one explained to me. Yeah, but no but I didn't know how good she was until she hit me. It wasn't until I went, fuck this.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

The thing is 17-year-old now uh uh was your standard. You wouldn't get the girl to do that.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Well, you really put them in the same ring. No, that's it. You spawned Patty Barr and spawned McConnell and which is you know, that's it's I suppose when you're able to compete with that like man resistance, that manly resistance, that manly pressure, and that manly manly muscle. When you had the ring record, they should step down.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Step down, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

I suppose like when you were given her techniques in the Olympics, all the gas you'd probably tell her, like before you're in the ring. Because you said to me, you go like a vest was an IS Final Tron, you'd be rubbing your hands. You'd be rubbing your heart.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

So when you're boxing the elites, yeah, how hard it was. How hard it was, you know.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

And the opposition I face.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, yeah. And even the even internationally, like we're only talking about selling off. Selling off. You know, as as it probably boxed now there.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Yeah, no one nearly. Even here, Barbosa. Yeah, Barbosa, no one.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Because nowhere near it technically is as talented.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Yeah, it's it's just that's that's it's but it's the attitude. It's it's understanding your capabilities. And it where I think it catches people, a lot of people out c come off in the amateur in the pros, even if you got all the top like Olympic talent, then people just saying no to MI, let me tell me they're a world champion now.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

How many Olympic Giants are world champions now?

Women’s Depth, Quality, And Longevity

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Well three, three, Katie and Katie and Isaac. Is anyone else? And less than take a leg fly later. I went to L.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

Just show you how how completely different the sports are. Exactly. And again, Olympic children with no profile.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

They were we were talking the other day about the the Cuban as well, Andy Cruz, uh champion and the also world title.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Title for sports. And uh he's the most gifted person I've ever been in the room with who just like I couldn't even I didn't have an answer for him probably for the first time ever. But in the pros, that's different over 10, 12 rounds, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Yeah, when you put them small gloves, it's completely different sport. The general public don't realise that. Yeah, I don't I actually don't think amateur boxers really.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

No one no one realised I didn't realise it until I got hit that's it. Until I got hit, that was like fuck. I think it made me better. Because if they get hit, that was like fuck this.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yeah, but I don't I actually don't think amateur boxers realise even even if a pro spar as an amateur, yeah. Okay, 16 ounce blues head gear on. Amateurs do well. Yeah, amateurs will always do well for the first three or four rounds. Um pros then will probably take over if if it goes any further, but that's still inspiring. Couldn't have small gloves on. Yeah, it's definitely different and people go, so if we fit in ten ounces, you fit in eight ounces.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

It's not three ounces, it's the fucking weight. So like here, it's just pure hard latter. It's like getting up rabbit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

And it's like there's no sponge, it's like it's it's it's I actually say it about the MMA the fight four-nounce. The four-ounce is all there. So you have an eight-ounce cove or ten-ounce cove. You can put the ten ounce there. Yeah, 100%. That's where you want to put you to put the ten ounce there. So you have nothing there.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Exactly. And plus, even in another thing, another argument I always have for EFC fair or MMA fairers or MMA um fans, who you all think back in shape, is when people have really small force bugs on with their fingers exposed and their hands exposed, they don't actually punch you for it if they put your hands. Yeah, yeah. They can't commit with a full, you know, the we can't with full power. Because when you punch with all that power, you put your hands. Yeah. I mean, so they all punch when they open hands, so not getting hit actually hard.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

And with plush is well, it's a four-arms glove that comes to there.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Yeah.

Small Gloves, Big Consequences

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Like you're ten arms glove, it comes to there. So that's where all you weigh is. All the forearms is there. All the four inches are all along the four. Yeah, well, you say if you weigh the glove.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

If you cut there off, yeah, from where they are. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I saw part here is like three inches, this part here is only one inch.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:47

You get the amateur gloves, it's part here is three inches, this part here is one inch.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yeah, so with the amateur gloves, if you put the padd is so big on them, the the maybe ten ounces there.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Oh shit, ten house now or twelve, aren't they? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Do you do you would you do you miss like coaching an amateur gym? Like, I know you're in here. Yeah. Do you do you did you miss that when before you came back? That was like a shit shit show any brain what happened. I was like, still haven't even got to the end of the yeah. You've come here and you've taken a new we better lease it. Because I I seen this from me from the outside, it looks like you're you're enjoying it a wee bit more coaching. But at the start, I had to give my credit to you because I was like, he's fucking gonna have a name here, because uh they're so far behind here and how that they couldn't. But then when I came back to the second camp, I was like, Well, they're all now there's no more explaining the day, and people have I didn't think I'd ever go back to amateur boxing after after what happened in Bright.

Coaching Journeys And Culture Shifts

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Um when you say still that's that's still going on. But um Yeah, I'm enjoying it. Yeah, the culture's a little bit it's a little bit different, you know. You know, it's very hard, it's very hard to get a bit of a bit of cracker, you know. I mean this is they're so so straightforward, straight by the roads, by the book.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

But yeah, they are improving and uh when you're getting the results and yeah, the performances of what you're teaching them because they're all this is all completely new, like and uh like even that you were saying all the week you know fighting uh an abeyance, but you know, yeah. That's like something you're putting your work into only after uh a year or so and you're starting to see it. See, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

But as well over here, because it's boxing's fairly free, it's not as corrupt. Yeah, is that no championship boxing? No, no, no, I'm air. No, because it's not an air, no I know. As you say, they're so very straight, so if you I I think well what I've seen Okay, we you've lose a few split decisions, but it's not true cheating. Yeah. It's just it's a subjective fight. Subjective, you know. So um, but in in Ireland you as you know, you can slaughter someone and still get robbed stuck a bit, yeah. Yeah, well I've not I'm not actually I'm thank god I've not actually seen that here. Yeah, 100%. You know, and of a different mindset here about boxing than they have a back home.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

Yeah. Which is even like we're saying when they key up, people come in the key up the spar me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

Yeah. But I just think as well that the culture over here is different wherein in Ireland it's kind of nearly looked down at. Yeah. That's the reason why Katie doesn't get croak, croaking. Yeah. It's looked down as a second class sport nearly. It's a working class. But it is a working class spot, but most successful with it.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Good Olympic games, the only ones bringing medals back. Yeah. They're still looking down. Still look down. You let's say you you you'll come back, you'll have two or three medals from the from boxing, and you'll have no medals from athletics. Yeah. Athletics straight around the brom new spots because boxes are running fucking holes in their shoes.

Fairness Abroad Versus Home Frustrations

SPEAKER_01 27:59

I think because he's so successful in Ireland, they think it's easy to get rid of it.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

It's easy. People don't realize that we're just fucking really it comes from grassroots. Yeah. It comes from the grass. See Ireland being so good at boxing, it comes from the grass grassroots coaches. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Like some Mickey. Yeah, Mike Mickey Sandy's coming from and there's yourself where where isn't and the Kikachi is and uh and um like it's crazy.

Boxing’s Open Door And Working Class Roots

SPEAKER_02 28:25

It's always been a successful club, obviously, but yeah, it's too that's where the that's where your that's where your breed champions to won the Irish I believe I was a s like Mickey nationally, like as a nice like hope being in a national fetter, like it's been proven they've won. Like I think one over 40 Irish senior elite tightness. I think Holy Family is the only one maybe either have one or two more, if even. Right. Um but Mickey is press like 42 Irish League champions. And uh like national is very good. It's amazing, I thought. And then that's from 1972. Holy Family's been going 20 years before that, so they had a 20 year start. And then when you get to the data, like it was good like for the U I was saying paid internationally or czar internationally, take international state, it's different. Because that's when I started to learn what same time punches were. I went internationally, this went to Codic stuff and sort of shooting camp. I was almost gonna retire and then because you're sparring number one, pay three, fourth, five, and they're all fucking murdering you. I mean like I was starting to understand same time punches, yeah. And fainting, fainting and faint, but I can't go eat on faint eating. I didn't understand all this, you know, and then I think I was a bit probably why I'm so good now. Um I had to learn that 'cause I was getting hurt. Yeah. I had to learn, I think I ain't fucking earnest.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

It's probably the worst, worst trading camp to go to at the best.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

The first one. Yeah. First, like a first senior training camp that was called camp for two weeks uh in Al Mali. And a lot of Bob Beatons and Bob Baton for two weeks. I was like, I need to learn here. And then we were back, I was in March, we were back for the World Championships where we done the level three.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Um at a three-star. That was in October, and we'd done the same training camp again. And from then to then, it was I was a different fan because it was competing in the same sport.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

I think that's what um also developed Katie. Yeah. Because she only went to the men's camps as well. Yeah, that's right. You know, uh where the girls have girls' camps now. Yeah. So she goes to the men's camp and be spamming international men.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Which you put you all you won't put a girl in there nowadays. You'd be fucking you'd be sacked. Yeah, you'd be sacked. You'd be sacking. You wouldn't know. Yeah, you wouldn't do it nowadays, you wouldn't do it, but um but uh it's changed.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

It would make her break you, and obviously it may kick and then there and maybe take a few.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

We know a few people. We know a few would have left after that.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

But at least you know when it makes someone you've got something maybe special, you know what I mean? So it's like you're it's almost like the promoters doing boxing to put two play fair against each other. Well, it's great, yeah. Well, we know we've got someone getting it.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

Yeah, but I think um in amateur, we've seen like we've seen, I'm not gonna mention names, but we've seen a few boxes being put uh insparing in international training comes camps way out of the leagues. Yeah, I understand. Um and being putting there knowing the way out of the league, and it's broken. It's broken.

The Bray Shooting Fallout

SPEAKER_02 31:45

That's it's where it's a coach's duty to be protecting. Yeah. That's yeah, yeah. Again, another thing when like yeah, I was saying my e vibe protected with me, two protective attempts. I don't think I don't think it can be two protective. That's what I'm saying. I I understand of for me and my research and I was like like leaning alone more. But we was take our boxing, so Catsy's older than me, I'm like 16 or 17, I figured he's talking, something like that. I think the senior boxer and he thought eighty lost that point, but he was he was always super talented from the way he was and he hits hard. So Mickey was like, right, do you I'm a tall 56 kilo kick boxer and and I'm looking at Catsy, and Mickey's like, you gotta learn to go from long to close to speedy rates because it takes one, sometimes you need a winner. So it does you can do it. And um I think that's why I'm so good in close now, even as a tall South Pole. Yeah, because I've had to learn it during that period. It it's clearly a universal boxer, maybe, you know what I mean? But like he was like, you gotta go. So I went out close and we catch the stone hit me in another cut. And I went, oh bloody riding very rarely bleed. And I was like, he's like that's enough. And I was going, it's not a go, and he's like ego again. It's it's ego, he's like, sure, it's alright. Relax. Yeah. I was like, nah, I won't go in there. So he let me go on because I I had an attitude with my kids going. But Cassie wasn't hitting me. He was just moving and it was annoying anymore. He's like, fucking hit me back. Yeah. Spar, spar properly. So it was like ego and it was like frustrated, and it was like, but uh that's any. It's either any or it's not.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

That's it, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

But I remember going, fuck, Mrs.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

I think can't wait for the next sparrow.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

I didn't sparm until about seven years later, I beat the shit out of him. I was sparring. He was fighting for an ABU title and pop my gee. Um, Mrs. Manager got me to spawn and he paid me a couple of quid. I was actually talking that how do we go? I sparked a cat in pocket him. You have a fading pan. And his bag, Pop McGee gave him. Yeah. So like before the face, he says, I'll sort of you fear a cat. He says, I know fucking fade in fuck. He'll tell you that story. He was three from the fair and we have to follow.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Right, that's it, right. Jazza and I Jazzy of Spire, but down with me and Anthony.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

I've we spoke with this. Um for me personally, Jazza's a harder spot for me than Kate. But stylistically, this is where styles come in. Kakati is harder to beat for a fighter like Jazza. You know what I mean? So I think Jazza I I've said this before. Whoever gets a tactic trade on the night wins, because it's that type of fight. Or I think Jazza will need to do something a little bit different.

Reunions, Respect, And Shared Camps

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Yeah, I think as well though. Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but as a will can An Andy fetch anything to the ring that Jazz has never seen.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

That's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

It's it's because I think Jazza's okay, Andy's be Lee Woods, which Jazz is beaten. What being with the amateurs as well. But I think Jazzer's international experience is for a higher level than Andy.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Me and Katie, me and Kenny were talking about in the in like in the coffee shop. Is there more mails on the clap? Is that why Kakati's so good? He he doesn't spar? Yeah, yeah. There's no mails on the clap, he's fresher, even though he's 37 or his older opponent.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

You know, yeah, it's but does that's what that's why boxing's so good, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 35:38

But Jasmine Jazza's mass on the clock, but Jazzy needs the males as well.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

I think that and that's how he trains his life, I think.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

He trains all the time. And if he can't if it comes to the having a bite down on the gunshield, uh it comes to physicality, I mean, there's no much is true. Jazz is massive. Yeah, he's physically strong and he's two great lads, two great lads, I think. I know he's a drawer.

Jazza vs Kakáčí: Styles And Mileage

SPEAKER_02 36:06

I've said ringshade comes again, like the two equally goo mates of mine. And I've spoken had Jazz on the podcast, and we spoke overly and he was like, I'm just high, it's it's brilliant. And do you know how like they're so respectful towards one another? They're two great fighters, they're fucking they've given their whole life to a sport, and it's it's it's actually refreshing to see the two lads, they're both and and it's my because they're fighting each other, and though Kaketi is praising Jazza for giving him the opportunity. Jaz is saying I want to give him up to me because he seems like a genuine fan, he's a young fellow. He helps the kids at club, and he's yeah, he's just a normal thing.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

That's that's Jazza, it's Jazza being so nice.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

But like when they get this is this is why I always say see all the shoving and patient, it doesn't need to fucking happen. Because see when they go in the ring, they've had the policy more than anybody. They're gonna do it all on the lane.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

All on the lane. And one laser draw, they're both on a hog and share cars and go fucking.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

Have you have you ever seen have you ever seen from any boxer really, the commitment chesser? Nah.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

But just talking about living in Dublin in a van. In a van. And and Bud's goals ain't get to your hotel room for cheating and all to hunt.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

I feel like he need and his his his wife's name's Katie, you know. Yeah. And he said, No, I feel like I'm cheating because she's in mind, I'm gonna look after the kids, and I need to suffer as well. And I'm thinking freezing. Freezing. Kind of it got plurity. Yeah. And um in train, go and run in Dubai with it with the sliders on it, but taping the slides.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

We were saying one time Jazza was in Dublin, and I used to go to the east big washers or the outdoor wash machines, put all his washes in, and I uh drove away back and all the stuff was still all the store room, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 38:04

I don't know who took his stuff to the back.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

But uh the public menadian, but he can remember jeans on, and he just got his teeth on, right? He got his teeth on and turned his shirt, he's paid with teeth, and he he could hardly talk because he's only getting used to them. And he had these pair of jeans on and it was all painted on like little plainters jeans, like someone who's painted. He just do you trying to brush your teeth? He was laughing at his clothes still. So he trained jeans. He took the jeans in their socks and he trained anyway. And he's just so committed.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

Yeah.

Commitment Stories And Van-Life Training

SPEAKER_02 38:39

But all the lads were like, oh, pair of no clothes. He was like mate, said we had no running spinners or spawn bridge, straight in, flip flaps on, take them around his feet and do 10 rounds, pin a run on the trailer.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

They just got his teeth on the spine of it up, you know, go to it.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

If it's the old parent him, no excuses out of the room.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

And uh big Matt Kennedy came in, you know, he came in, jazzing the white teeth, he says, Fuck me, he said. That's like putting alloys on a row on a really big thing.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

I think he says the next time if we get jazz on, I'll get Mark on with him. Nothing was crazy than that. I think should we give you all next time I'm a master of Christmas?

SPEAKER_01 39:32

Let him do the questions.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

I'll take him.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

I'm not sure yet. I'm not sure yet.

SPEAKER_02 39:43

I don't know, like I told screen one meeting for a bit of food, yeah. I'll try it over after.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Because at the end it's a great ball, and Connie's on the two two good two lads. It's like people ask me who you want to win, then don't don't cry. I don't care, but I just want to pick for me different for you like you coach for so long. For me, it's like we were in the amateur gym together, we we we talked together every like friendly. Yeah, me and Jazzer talk each other still. We gave a great chat, or you know, so it's like one of those ones I just like let boxing wins and like yeah, I'm happy to be here and and I don't care as long as they both get a big fight out.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Get a big fight already, you know, because Sam was the two of them deserve it. Yeah, and the one maybe one or two more fights left. Yeah, it's one or two.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

They're both at the same end of their career, the same the same part of their career.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

It's it's the hardest spot in the world to make money. But you can't.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

So we're saying if if we play football, we'll be nothing matters. If we always give a football as we are boxing, we'll be playing for football and man you needed more selling or however big money.

Being Avoided After Good Performances

SPEAKER_01 40:51

And then and even like you say like in Mickey and Mickey Hawkins, yeah. With with boxing, the the coaches the lot of them coaches in them clubs don't get the credit. No, that's where she all that's for it all with things, that's where it all starts. Yeah. And and the thing about boxing is it's like it's like a church. Everyone, everyone's welcome. You go into if you play tennis or golf. Yeah, okay. Where are you from? Where are you from?

SPEAKER_02 41:19

But in boxing, everyone's welcome and um, you know, and uh and that's that's crazy because it's such a hostile environment to walk into for the first time looking at it's like to the nicest people in the world. You could be chased, you could be a cop, you could be a robber, you could be a fucking barster, you could be a a thief outside. Yes, but when you go inside, you're all the same, everyone's the same, and you've got that equal respect for the coach. Yeah, yeah. Everyone's afraid of the coach. But had John Connors on as well, and he was saying the same. It's like just the other week when I was having this affair and say that one of the public seemed a coach for me, you're the one I get that out of the way. Like a child.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Yeah, that's true, Lick. Well you and you like going back to Bray and as well. It's so sad that the way that that club was built. Yeah. Yeah, for after the Olympic success, and it was closed for so long. Still closed.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Still closed. Still closed. And you think of you think of the amount of people, young young kids and girls, kitty, and spar. Yes. And like she could still be here coming back, visiting that club, and and and they're just bringing so much joy to the bra. Yeah, yeah.

Katie Taylor’s Path And Croke Park

SPEAKER_01 42:26

But just obviously because they're just play shaky and just stupid stupidity, if you ask me. Right, I suppose me that was again the media that's media bullshit as well.

SPEAKER_02 42:37

You know, like kind of you were tarnished like it was a theme. They went to people. Obviously, we we just started in a full training camp with Katie, and now you tell people you you you like you give Katie done her tactics for last fight and how good she was, and yeah, and who like I didn't know still like it was like six months ago. And my dad says to me, I says, All right, Katie's over and he says, he said, Pete Katie's talking, man. They've been talking years. Yeah. I was like, that's media. Who told you? She's like, I don't know. I don't know, that's that's other people probably saying I think I mean Katie speaks, they've they speak all the time. Yeah, yeah. And she's coming to their camp and pay half over techniques and and halves over camp and I don't know, I think see the media and how much they can play situations, and they're creating the India Baga and not knowing the one that he kind of got a unit over here because of it.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

I know. It follows you. It follows you. And um you think you you're guilty of running this trying to trying to save everybody else in the blue gym when he again shot over, you know. It's quite crazy, you know.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

We could see and Peter's chat in the show down, all he knows, do you know what? So we was in a gym and in Bray. It was my own gym. His own gem in Bray, and someone came in to shoot some other guy. And Peter said, You know how I always laugh at the story 'cause Pete says, I mean, one like what the fucking alarm like this shaking. But he's pointing the gun and he starts shooting. So it shot one. He shot someone dead. So Pete Robinson attacks him. But he tripped over a bench and hit himself on the shit. And fell forward. You're on shot Pete in the shoulder. So he immediately just immediately could Pete Jimmons immediately he thought. Um oh they're off the Pete Killer and it does some meetup balls, bullshit lies about fucking all that's.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Because of Katie, you know, he's good paper seller.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

Yeah. And then your mind you were telling me before that the guest he senior man on the doorbell camera's wrong already, but they couldn't use the that was him. You can't use it. Can't use it.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

Because it's it's a gas kill's uh personal rights yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

Privacy. Personal privacy or something. But i i I I got shot trying to save everybody in the gym. So they closed the gym down, haven't they? And it's still closed down. It's still closed down. Took all his belongings, too. But i i i i i if you were a guard doing that, yeah, you get a bloody medal.

Politics, Security Myths, And Sport Value

SPEAKER_02 44:56

Exactly. Because he ran away then, you know, but he wasn't a shoe pain at all, no meaning, but yeah, he said he said the wrong thing. He was found not guilty of shooting me. He put out the charge for attacking him, assaulting him.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

I was found guilty of killing your man, but not guilty of shooting me. Madness. There's only one gunman. I know.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

How do you make that out? Uh that's fucking that's that's the that's the end yeah, that's the axe comment. And then the day just jump on the back of it, yeah. Just creep you in the back. Like he's from an end, so like people know who he is. People know him in boxing anyway. When he's up on a unit, what's a fob and bastard? He put Taylor in the cable, and the next thing that's coming up, that's the first thing that's gonna come up. Not the fact that he brought his daughter to win a an Olympic gold medal or all the success he had in Bray, and like you know, Adam Nolan, who's a gardener, and all these other, you know, all these other achievements in his life.

SPEAKER_01 45:58

Forget about it, they want to paint the villain here like and like Oh well, like it's just said one one of the lads that went to the Olympics was a gardener. I was training in the gardener as well. But they all forget that.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

But it's like uh it's it's mad because you only need to spend you only need to spend a you can hear about it, and half you may spend a day with painting all it's all bullshit. You know what I mean? It's it's like when people paint a picture of someone, they go, fuck me, 30 miles, I think fucking eyeballs all the shit. Yeah, it's too real shit.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

You know, I I actually get I get frustrated. You you get you kind of got punished for for risking your own life at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Just yeah, just making you believe that goes to show you like it. I think I more so I think people realize it with media now, aren't they? Yeah, starting to realize with media and I think to make the people who you thought you didn't like you didn't speak to K Ris. People who are probably going to Manchester are gonna learn something new.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

It's actually funny though, and they had the one we were training over in she was already training the last time and the videos of the training and it was up on social media.

SPEAKER_02 47:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

That's not K, they don't even talk.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

That's what's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

They don't even talk to me.

Closing Reflections And Future Plans

SPEAKER_02 47:16

Yeah, folks, your father look a lick. Why sounds nice small, but it's it's refreshing to see like she's back here anyway, for me, especially because I missed out the last time Jazz was here.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Yeah, Jazz was there.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Nah. And then obviously.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Yeah, it's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

It's it's good to pick up and you know where we left off.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

I mean, again, that's the beauty of boxing.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Yeah, you've got that friendship for life. You've got that friendship for life, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 47:48

What she shared with someone.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Yeah, 100%. And you know, people be a week of bitch around someone that haven't posted, they're like not know how to behave around someone. Kelly's just that easy going. She's just a a smaller version of you, you know what I mean? Wonderful to put her on the paper for trying to fucking save someone, you know what I mean? Um but she's just like she's she's like there's a smaller version of you, and like how the way she gets on, how like she's shy and talks, and then but then she's fierce as well, if you want to be so it's it's class that way.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

I know it it's it's been uh it's been a great few days, everyone.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Yeah, you know again, hopefully, yeah, even if we're gonna free to go for our big class. Sophie, just waiting for the big fight for you now. Yeah, it's a big fight for me, and then that's free knocking on this fucking door for her ticket fit because you'd be ashamed of it. You'd think it's it's just obviously after the barbows affair, always talking, but like it's myone else in that situation probably just came up. But I know like when there's like the same thing as Jazza, Jazza just keeps going, and that's what I have, right? And it's been sparring for me when I was around Jazza to go like he's been in this position, he's got over, he's lost, he's lost again and he it's like the goal remains the same.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Yeah, but you know what? Yeah, I know, I know what you're saying with the attitude, but when you know fairness and Jazza knows when he lost it, you did he got beat beat, yeah. But the difference is when when you lost, you didn't get beat. Yeah, you didn't get beat, yeah. So I think if you get beat it's easier. It's nearly easier to get in the next fight because people you look at you as a pay keeper. But if you get beat and you didn't get beat, the thing is stay away from that, it's too dangerous. And like you got probably the biggest opportunity after that fight against after the fight in Sheffield. Yeah, and uh Monte Carlo.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

You got then you got Monte Carlo because Sean's on the Sean's on the the fading now, like he he can't hit Yeah because it got caught in the further in the in the in the Sheffield, the fight in Sheffield, and then it was like he's not as good now. Yeah, and it's just that's mad style, it's stylistic.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

And then he did so well in Monaco again against an undefeated now.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

It's like stay away from him. Yeah, 100%. And that's Kitty saying like that's him, like you're the best late flat late f uh late ball in the world league, and it's it's good, it's good to hear off of Katie as well.

SPEAKER_01 50:15

Yeah, because she's a round in a in the States in the gym league and and in the States and Yeah, it's nice to it's what I just said um it's like just watching him, it's like you know.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

Do you have any uh what's your ambition for Katie I think? Like would you would you like her to get a co park just for her, just like get like just get a fight at us?

SPEAKER_01 50:37

I'd love her to get it.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

Well that's not really hard, but I think if you I think if you're involved, no fight's gonna be an art for her.

SPEAKER_01 50:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

I think it's all hard always hard fights, but you can make it harder and make them easy. Yeah. I think she can make a hard fight easy for herself, yeah, if you're involved. And it'd be good to see her do have code park with a big name.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

I think she deserves Crow Park, and I think I think Irish people want to see her there. But I think if it's in the like the old tour again. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

She's really the novelty also, because it's not it's it's it's not um it's not iconic. No, it's not iconic, yeah. Like she's going to an iconic venue, Crow Park, Barking was last time so that Mohammed Ali. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So now you're now your going. You don't want to miss that event because it's gonna be history.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:26

It's it's just gonna go down history. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

So you want to go there to be part of history. Yeah, but it's it's an eye then. So we had the American footballers there.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

You're going to pay five million for them to go to to to um play there. Pay them five million.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

Yeah, because they think I'll bring in Ravney and I can Radney, but look at the look at the Radney T you want to bring in. Yeah, they what are they are the other charges?

SPEAKER_01 51:48

But five million. They paid for them. And then they want to put an Irish sat piece up there.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

It's 'cause it's going to show you how backwards they are.

SPEAKER_01 51:54

Yeah, the government, the Irish government. Fucking stupid. Yeah, yeah, and but and they put all these crying boat uh crying, what's his name? The singer.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Oh yeah, I all the time. They do the country singing.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

Yeah, this is putting them, they put them on. Yeah, no problem, but they're uh an athlete.

SPEAKER_02 52:15

I know crazy and something about a game, that's no that's down to um security. See if it was athletics, yes, they would do it because they think oh we need actual security because of the boxing. It's stereotypical of people that assume boxers like uh scumbags for yeah, yeah. So I would need extra extra security because it's boxers, yeah, and it's boxing people going to watch it. You know what I mean? It's not people from fucking news.

SPEAKER_01 52:43

They think it if it's athletics, it's uh rugby, it's all the thing that if he was in Crog Park, he wouldn't be boxing people.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

Yeah, it'd be just a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Yeah, actually he wouldn't be boxing people because it's the last it'd be the Swan Show as well, maybe, and then um it'd be families.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

Yeah, families I would love to go, Lick and sure. My weight would love to go and yeah, probably bring it to you.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

It's one of those ones where you can just make one and run the part of it. Yeah, so it's not it's not bogging, and even if it was boxes, it shouldn't still should be treated any any different.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

The inviating of that. And I tell you, cool, you know what I mean. But listen, we'll we'll we'll wrap it up here. It was good defending it you want uh after many attempts. But uh it's good, it's good, it's refreshing as chat boxes.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

This is just a normal talk for us.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

Every day, every day I always say we just stick the camera on. We'll be good to go, we catch up with catch goals and stuff. Um but uh it's refreshing and it's good to talk with people here in the same yeah, like the same mainstream as you are in terms of boxing and hate.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Anyway, it's actually funny today to span, it wasn't. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_02 53:47

You were saying you heard it, he gave Kitty tactics. I was doing a what's what's the card? Serva, I was giving ster tactics. I come back down from the corner and he came back down from this corner. I hear him giving Katie instructions and I go, I look at him and we've given each other the exact same same thing. So the boxers were doing the exact same thing, and I'm gonna go. I try to make up when I retire with her once I achieve my goals and give her a while ago, see, I'll I'll I'll come back, I'll be a bit of a coach in the air back.

SPEAKER_01 54:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd be a great coach.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

And bring the ice cream, I'll I'll look after the ice market and then when the camp gets gone, we all come here.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Yeah, but yeah, it'd be great. We'd have some team, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

We'd have some team. Yeah, yeah. We'd have some team there.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

That's a rap came out came out.