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The Public Nuisance Podcast
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The Public Nuisance Podcast
The Public Nuisance Podcast #084 “Getting Scooped Pulling Moves” with Ciaran Nolan & Gerard Jordan
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Welcome to a new episode of The Public Nuisance Podcast with me, Sean McComb.
This week we welcome Ciaran Nolan & Gerard Jordan to the podcast.
We cover Pulling Moves, the upcoming reunion, West Belfast in the early 2000s, growing up around the Falls and Springfield Road, Belfast nostalgia, riots, stolen cars, murals, old Belfast, getting into acting, being slagged for drama, BBC television, behind-the-scenes Pulling Moves stories, cast nights out, forgotten scenes, the original cast, football, Manchester United, Roy Keane, Sir Alex Ferguson, modern football tactics, boxing, fighter mentality, Paddy Donovan, Croke Park, sparring, gym etiquette, Sugar Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler, Ricky Hatton, Floyd Mayweather, boxing weight cuts, rehydration, fight camps and much more.
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Chapters
YouTube Chapters
00:00 Matcha, Music & the Podcast Begins
07:32 Why People Don't Talk Anymore
10:07 AI, Neuralink & Where Technology Is Going
12:17 Using ChatGPT for Golf
14:37 Could Pulling Moves Be Made Today?
16:40 Growing Up in West Belfast in the Early 2000s
20:09 Belfast Murals, Posters & Childhood Memories
24:35 Why Pulling Moves Felt So Authentic
26:16 Watching Pulling Moves for the First Time
28:41 Football Fandom & Supporting Successful Teams
30:32 What's Gone Wrong With Modern Football?
32:16 Why Game Plans Go Out the Window in Boxing
34:02 The Most Dangerous Moment in a Fight
35:06 Carl Frampton, Rematches & Making Adjustments
36:25 Paddy Donovan & Changing Tactics Mid-Fight
38:04 Roy Keane's Elite Mentality
41:10 The Crazy Money in Modern Football
42:09 Growing Up and Getting Into Acting
45:58 Getting Paid to Present TV as a Kid
49:20 Ignoring the Noise & Backing Yourself
50:08 The Pulling Moves Reunion — 23 Years Later
52:56 Pulling Moves Behind-the-Scenes Stories
55:25 Being 17 on the Pulling Moves Set
58:15 The Funniest Pulling Moves Stories
1:03:19 Why the Pulling Moves Cast Worked So Well
1:04:24 What to Expect From the Reunion
1:08:05 The Pulling Moves Scenes Fans Still Quote
1:11:48 Croke Park & Paddy Donovan's Corner
1:13:27 What Boxing Sparring Really Sounds Like
1:16:17 Sparring Etiquette & Taking Liberties
1:19:14 Sugar Ray Leonard & Boxing's Greatest Era
1:22:21 Ricky Hatton vs Floyd Mayweather
1:24:52 How Fighters Extend Their Careers
1:26:07 The Reality of Cutting Weight
1:27:42 Putting a Stone Back On After Weigh-In
1:28:25 Pulling Moves Reunion Tickets
Welcome To The Studio
SPEAKER_10Welcome to the Public Nations podcast. We're here in Killing Studios where you can get all your content. Photo shoots and podcasts, video editing, whatever you need, we've got it right here. Mad way time changed now. Everybody's under their lattes? On the latte Carmel front of the change. This is on my car.
SPEAKER_09Matches? I haven't had a match. I haven't tried a match. No, they're nice. You haven't had one, yeah.
SPEAKER_10I had one that are alright. I drank one too.
SPEAKER_09They taste a bit earthy, but that's okay.
SPEAKER_10Bit earthy?
SPEAKER_09A bit earthy, like you know, like the vegetables. So you imagine a tea bag. Do you know what I mean? Do I so eight tea can be earthy? So like a matcha tastes a bit like like fresh cut grass. You'd imagine what fresh cut grass would taste like.
SPEAKER_06Do you remember that last year when fucking hanging started doing them with stacked? Fuck.
SPEAKER_10It's all the white chocolate. They're not nice.
SPEAKER_09You get the flavours and then you can do like your almond milk or whatever. It's like a it's like a coffee, essentially, as well. And the matcha powder, apparently, a matcha powder if you want to buy a bag of it, I think. That's a fortune real matcha.
SPEAKER_10It's not cheap, like spend dinner from Derry. Damn dairy, mate.
SPEAKER_09But an hour. No, but from here? Everybody says, and I go, what's about an hour? I see no matter where I need to go if I'm leaving it. If I'm leaving Derry, it's about an hour.
SPEAKER_10I was the same going to Dublin. I used to trade to Dublin every single day for training. You're nuts trading to Dublin. I loved it. I had a problem.
SPEAKER_06When we were doing polar moves. Change on. Swear to God, he would have gotten it. Because he moved just beside uh he's moved again, but I used to live just beside the airport, so he'd have come off at the airport. And he was like, see, because the new road when we were doing polar moves wasn't that new. Well, it was actually it was very new. It was just it had just no, I adjust upon the room. So he as soon as that happened, he was like, That's fucking me, friend. As soon as I get the nearing
Matcha Opinions And Coffee Habits
SPEAKER_06on 20 minutes from the house. You know what I mean? He was loving it.
SPEAKER_09What was it? He had what did he have burnt out the Honda?
SPEAKER_06He had a Honda, I and then Was it a Honda called? He bought it didn't he buy a beamer off Morris or something? He bought a car, but he bought a car during the movies.
SPEAKER_09He was like, Oh fucking Mexican, I got caught. But was it was that I the answer was he got that one, that one got burnt out and then he bought one off in the UK.
SPEAKER_06Because that was the first time I seen that to bought one in the UK and then he had to switch it into a southern rage.
SPEAKER_10And it was it was much cheaper for him to bath. Oh, it's a big thing.
SPEAKER_06You mean to buy the car was was cheaper cheaper.
SPEAKER_10I loved it. I used to love change. Well, well, that's the best thing about driving. What movies do you have on flying up?
SPEAKER_09See he's not on the I was watching that, I was watching YouTube. Well, I have YouTube on, it'll play in the background, yeah, and you just listen to it. So you don't need to look at it, you can just sort of listen. It could be a podcast, it could be somebody doing a review or something, it can be you know, it could be anything. He sounds like he's having a great time, man. An audio porn audio porn. You can use your imagination, you know.
SPEAKER_02Swell the bad thing together. Cracked the angels.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, oh well. I'm fucking obsessed with Hogsport. I am not sure.
SPEAKER_09And then they all sort of do my head, and I was like, oh, I've been on Wemmans. So you park a bus for a while. You go through phase of the five.
SPEAKER_06I'll switch like between music and but talk I'd say Togsport's 70% of high radio. Paula tells you it's a hundred, she hits it. So I could just picture you driving down the road listening to classical FM, you know.
SPEAKER_09I have got you a bit of classic. What was it?
SPEAKER_06I seen something the other weekend. I was like, that's that's amazing. I was like, I'd love to go and see it.
SPEAKER_09You you you can go a bit left in sometimes. I do. Do you know what I mean? Can you think why have I heard you wee man? How are you supposed to be guys class? I listen to them all the time. Every bit of music I used to bring the jury, but it's really depressing. Nobody'd ever heard of Jake Bugger, but he was sitting jamming away, I'm going up to the next one. Everybody knows usually it's like you know, sad songs. Yeah. Big sad song nullin. Big sad song nullin. I do.
SPEAKER_10Did you ever play any instruments, any of you?
SPEAKER_06No, Paul has to play the drums. I went on about playing the drums. Little drummer boy. I went on about playing the drums for ages when I was working in the bar. I used to see them down in filthies, you know, down in the fucking class and I buns. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02You're not having your photo, you're not doing the photo. I was very good at that, though. I was very good.
SPEAKER_06So uh I swear to God, there's one night Armolly and all there, and uh fella was finishing, and I told him that Paula got me lessons and he was raging. And he was like, I fucking thought you was a fella with a disco beard. I forget his name.
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SPEAKER_06Unreal. Ah, forget them anyway. Uh he can pin. You're still not having your photo.
SPEAKER_01I can only hear two drums in that.
SPEAKER_06Where's the bass? So Paula got me five lessons.
SPEAKER_10A lot of people who go through like like drama school and all though, like you get into the industry easier and all end up doing it. Like my wife, she fucking obviously sings, but that's a big thing, and for when you're going to be around.
SPEAKER_06She's do drama school.
SPEAKER_10And she's a singer. She's a singer, TV producer, TV producer, and a singer. She sings as well, and I say, but anyone she's friends with, like, we go to our weddings, and all like you went to the wedding last year, Mar Bear, her mates' wedding, and the whole fucking every everyone there was just entertainers who were just singing. There was no like bookings, this was just people. It was just people having a channel. It was like a fly. Just get up and grab a boat.
SPEAKER_09There's a group for freedom there, isn't it? If you're on the sit where a lot of people who can sing or play, you just start, you could have a crack. You know yourself.
SPEAKER_06The best needs crack is the end of it at the end of a day, somewhere everybody's sitting half juiced, and then somebody starts singing. But you don't know, and then everybody don't. It's really the waddens now.
SPEAKER_09And then even then, people get shared at that point. It seems to be a damn breed of the of the thing.
SPEAKER_10I was talking about all this talk in the AI
Derry Distances And Driving Culture
SPEAKER_10photos again. We're talking about of Ed Chair's gonna do a pop-up somewhere on the flash, somewhere around me, just gonna pop up. I was going, that's my idea of like being in fucking heaven, sitting there a few fucking paints of tennis, and he's sitting there and like someone like Power T or the biggest thing. Oh, just somebody's a praise, right? Ran Hannes seed on it and go in and he's just standing up at the table banging out the chains. And I was like, Oh, that's amazing.
SPEAKER_09That's what I'm saying. I it's the ability just to be able to because you even see anybody, even class buskers, they'll sit on a train, maybe in a subway in New York, and they just start jamming. And the funny thing about it is you see people's people change. Yeah. See, like on like we were like even on the tube out of years ago, Army of Patrick started just going, I used to started singing. We were at a few jars, and the next minute I was going, you need to fuck up. And he was going, Oh yeah, yeah, and he started singing, and then a few other people started joining in. And then all of a sudden everybody's like the whole climate. And everybody on the London's on the London Underground, everybody's head down, don't look at this, don't look at that. This is what 2003, 2004. And the next minute I see people doing that. That's class. And you got it. There is there's an energy about it, like which you don't really see now because everybody's locked in. That's it, just like I don't know. People don't want to make eye contact on tour.
SPEAKER_10That's what I always say, I say it many times on the podcast, but I make you don't get it anywhere else, but especially in Belfast, if I'm walking through the town, I make eye contact with everybody. The trash sometimes people are like that, but I go, just to say hello to people. Yeah, just to say hello, just to see where the crack is, yeah.
SPEAKER_06No, like if you go over to someone and you go, well, all right, you haven't seen anything, just they'll be like, Okay, what's happening? And you see them going for the phone straight away, and you're like, I don't even want to talk this time. I don't even want to talk. I might keep new bottom. What if you had it? Next time I do that, some fucking But that's obviously rude as fuck. I know it is.
SPEAKER_10You know what it's like? I say this to my brother a couple like uh a few months ago. I was like, people always complain about the new generation, but I was going, imagine coming to video fella, like let's say in the 80s, born, well, what's happening? And he just pulled his newspaper up when I got it. It's the same. 100%. I'm too busy. It's the equivalent of the 100%, yeah. It's so rare. You know. But it's mad because you do fan sometimes, especially in the house.
SPEAKER_09Like the phones all die off. Nah, definitely not.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, we're gonna go down the same way there's a podcast, I don't know where they're on. We don't have a podcast, we used what we're AI for burning art. So mad stuff for AI.
SPEAKER_09But see, it's mad because it's mad because you know frightening. It is frightening. You've got a terminator too. I know, but everybody knows.
SPEAKER_06No, but I get it, we've had this kind of I get it. I I agree with you. Like it's a bit strange. Remember, I used to say he about robots?
SPEAKER_09Robots used to switch. But you know what, you know what? You know what? He's all I mean, never mind, robots hunting.
SPEAKER_06You know what scares me? Did you ever see there is that thing of your man that there was the AI guy that won like a Nobel Prize? Who was he? I thought I can't remember his name, but he got up on his acceptance speech and basically warned the world leaders stupid. He says, like, you just need to get a grip of this. He says, start regulating it, start looking after who's looking after it, you know, making sure the right people are in charge of it. All the rest of it says, get a fucking grip around this nah. Don't leave it. And like, I don't know if he if they've left it or not. We don't know what's gonna be.
SPEAKER_10But technology, you think about like our parents trying to use a phone when we come out. My man dad stuff still can't use your phone and shit. Yeah, because you just go, What's all that? What's this madness going on Facebook? Like, and fucking planning people and all lovely and all lovely something. I go, she's in a way out of it. I know who's talking about. I thought that was Susie's, I thought that was Susie's meeting that's him saying I I'll be us. Like that's that's near enough media. I have no clue what the fuck. Sean, that's me.
SPEAKER_06I was talking to you about that the other night, saying uh like with our with our cane and all, I'll go. So how do you do that? And he'd go, like, no, you can see him looking at you as if right. See if you just do us here. It's like if I used to tell your dad how to use a remote on the TV. Do you know what I mean? And now you're going, oh fuck, here we go. Now I'm at there out there. A lot of don't really know what's what way things are.
SPEAKER_09Do you know what I mean? Uh something to do with the Xbox or something, or something to do with gaming. Something like that. Like carry
Ads, Prizes, And Chicken Tenders
SPEAKER_09your own, you'd like going, I guess, yes, it's you like the thing about it is with a phone, you know, you have a phone, you can use a phone, but AI, what even is it? Yeah. Like all all people say, I don't even know what it is.
SPEAKER_10People are telling me obviously it's it's robots, it's photos, it's an app, it's chat. Hang on, what is it? Well, I'll give you the best example, right?
SPEAKER_09Of AI. I will go to your track man to play golf. And I'll hit a ball and it'll give you your track number. It'll go right. No, it goes left, and I'm the hooker, I'm fucking out there. So it'll give you your total carry, it'll give you all the it'll give you all the numbers, you know, your launch angle, all that crack. So I just take a photograph of it and I put it in chat GBT and I say, What do these numbers mean to you? Right? So it'll go, that is a great swing speed. Oh my god, you're a 24 handicap in your head like this long. And you think, oh fucking class, right? But then you turn around, and it was actually Maddale says to me, No, but it's it's a bit of a spoofer. It's really encouraging to you. Ask it to be fair. And I was like, And I was like, okay, please be fair about this. Don't be overcomp don't be overly complimentary or harsh, and it just changes everything. Well, in fairness, these aren't great. They're not great, they're shed. You're shed. Not that you're shake, but it but it was telling you. You're it's a spoofing bastard. Be very specific with it to say, what does what does this mean? Don't be complimentary, don't be harsh, be fur. Yeah, and it'll just change it up. There you go.
SPEAKER_06It's trying to butter you up. It's trying to butter you up.
SPEAKER_09And I never even thought about that. She says, No, apparently it's really nice because it's trying to be your mother. Ask it to be fur. Now you've now got to be fur, you're not going to use it no more. Well, no, no, no, at least now, at least now. At least now it's a spoofing bastard that was telling me for weeks. I great numbers, kid. You're in class, and the next minute's like beefur. I was like, well, it's not that.
SPEAKER_10I was uh I was saying the peers a couple of like at the very start when I was here, like talk of doing the poly move podcast was coming on. I was like, Imagine like you'd done another pull moves like script and you got a commission to like you like first first of all, you don't need to pull moves no more because every cont has money somehow. Me and we had some ball games told you about where and then and then you think about like setting up a whipper, you don't need to set whipper no more. People are doing like insurance jobs with phone or like or technology, look at the technology involved now and the cameras involved at everyone. I ever you get scoot the crack.
SPEAKER_02Pulling moves would be like that's it, you getting scoot cameras cameras? Red doorbell cameras, you two fucking jumping out of a fucking mountain down the delivery for Amazon.
SPEAKER_06Like a residents. I leave parcels and I take them photos. But you're right, like it'd be too like I even thought about that with uh we were gonna look at Mon Moon, Man on the Moon again. And I read it and I was like, fuck me. Different world.
SPEAKER_09Different world. It's a different world.
SPEAKER_06Almost to God, you'd need to you'd need to update that big time, like or some stuff just wouldn't work.
SPEAKER_09The mad thing about it is Pono moves and you see clips of it has aged really well. Because you still look at it and go, It's still very funny, yeah, and it's very relatable to us. But like the newer audience, you know, it'd be going to happen. It's like a time long ago. It's almost like but for the people that watched it originally and the people that sort of grew up in that sort of you know, error where you go, I remember coming out. It's still it's still very, very watchable and it is age well. But a show that will go down now. Now you can always do a show like that regards it's a throwback, yeah. But you sort of need people to buy on you.
SPEAKER_06But you have to but you even now you have to do a throwback within today's gag lens. Do you know what I mean by that?
SPEAKER_09I mean the polymose is pretty it was, you know, we weren't we I hate it.
SPEAKER_06I think that I think like the babies here something would shade
Music Phases And Learning Drums
SPEAKER_06themselves in Robbie Polymus now.
SPEAKER_09When you look back, it was nothing matter about it, everybody. Because even the four boys like we don't do drugs, we're not selling gear, wardrobe was that voice of reason. We have morals, we're not we're not crooks, we're not thieves, we're not scumbags, we have morals within within reason. But so they were the good guys, yeah.
SPEAKER_10And that was from the very starting bag as times were tough. That's it, that's all it was. Times were hard, you're fucking.
SPEAKER_06But it was still 2003, you know, they were only like the like hair was only what five or six years away from all the fucking phone was only 98. 2003 was still. Like a place was still trying to still get it.
SPEAKER_10293 was like it wasn't made like about a time before, it was made about how it was then. Then oh I was set up. I remember like I remember Millennium 2000. Third floors, mono bypass, stolen cars. I mean, four hours straight. So different. Cap just sitting in the grey laundry was watching it, couldn't do nothing about it. And I mean, every single there must have been 15 cars up and down a bypass at one time, handbreaking, all stolen cars. Caps just sitting there and going like this was 2000, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh no, talk away for all your fucking.
SPEAKER_09But they used to just sit in there on the hand over masks because they knew the cut and catch me. They cut and catch me out as well. Then there was a cutting auto crayon unit set up.
SPEAKER_10They're back on again now, but the the autocray teams back on again. They're driving them big Ts now, big white.
SPEAKER_09You do see them, you do see the the two eggs on the um is that more frame.
SPEAKER_10Is that more for any scooters now? Hopper suits and scooters. But then you look at them scooters now.
SPEAKER_07I know mad as fuck.
SPEAKER_09And you go you see they're flying about and you go, no helmets, you go. If you come off if you come off at your head and it's gonna crack like an apple off at the end, you're gonna and then you see this thing when the loom on the road down in the pegs, you're going. So you you look at even that, even though we we talk about joy riders and we talk about stolen cars and knee heavens, it was all very normal because that's what we knew. Yeah, you look at all the head kisses now and then bigs flying about in the bigs and I'm going, what the fuck's that all about? I don't know. Do you know it it it it's almost like the Joy Redding was a wee bit more normal because it's what you were used to. When you see these kids going about in these gangs and pegs, and you're going and they're all masked up and you're going, yeah.
SPEAKER_06It's just it's a matter of things. Your sense of what was normal back then was fucking Do you know what I mean? Like if the road had a went far for a day or a red, you know, which is just normal.
SPEAKER_03Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06And there's nothing normal about that.
SPEAKER_10Do you know what I mean? But we just I remember the big thing, uh the bar explosion down top of Springfield, top to the floods with the city. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Water cannons all like we were all probably eight or nine, ten, probably stuff. Water cannons getting plastered, fucking back up again, change of clothes, go again. You see, I thought I know very well. Little of my mates had a bus straight basement. During the rats about fucking probably ten years ago, Tappa St. James is gone on the bus. One of my mates got on no mask going, quiet as a mouse, just five quiet as a mouse, bang, scoop out of camera on the bus two years ago. Fuck sick. Dude has called about your two. Yeah, he's a quiet start. Everybody knows how innocent he was. He didn't even know the covers feels the fucking. Exactly. What do we do on this bus?
SPEAKER_07Everybody else would have been me. I would have been you. Everybody else, too, hell's fucking.
SPEAKER_06I would have been making up this hair, Georgia might as well fucking get out.
SPEAKER_10That's like that's what we got.
SPEAKER_06Do you remember the do you know what always used to blow me away? Do you remember the uh the pailor station on the Springfield Road down the bottom? Ah the the houses are in it was written in the middle of the street. And speaking of the street in the night. And they had the the houses. Oh wow. And the pailor station pairs for they used to get their electric because they couldn't turn the lights.
SPEAKER_09There was no walk up at the end of the year. It was like it was black all day.
Eye Contact, Phones, And Being Present
SPEAKER_06For some reason, I used to love walking up at Andrew. I remember mine if you'd have gone up there, Springfree Ruby to McDonald's when you'd always run up at me and I used to love it. I used to we couldn't see fuck all, but I used to hate you know you'd look in and something going on in there and all see whatever.
SPEAKER_09I remember I got a chase in my uh cop shop because it was uh elections were on. It must have been about eleven or twelve. And my dad says to me, He says, There's a few if you want to go and put up in posters. So it was all like, you know, the the Seashaw posters and all, fight the powers and all this crack. And I remember I had a bucket of paste next to all the phone, just paste them on a lot. Some American girl can go, Wow, what are these? And I was going, This is posters. These are like these little posters, these are really important. These are really important posters, and she went, What are they, I mean? It's like for Ireland's freedom. This is like can I have one of these?
SPEAKER_08And I was like going, No, no, I've got to go up on the wall. So she was, I'll pay you for them. Of course you can't money.
SPEAKER_09I remember she gave me like a tenner for two posters. It was just a white poster of the Searsha and the the the ball bar and the and the the wasn't the Dolph? Was it the one? Was it like a thought?
SPEAKER_06The Dove of Freedom or Burns.
SPEAKER_09And I said, I'm gonna put these on the cop shop. So I remember going up and I got up to the cop shop just at the very very front of Springfield Road, and I was going out. I've got maybe about 30 seconds. And I would phone them up the next minute. You'd see your mom coming down there. It was a way like a bumper and he's coming down and goes over watt, he was just able to pay them off. And I'm all like, I'll be back today. Didn't get skipped. I thought I was free in Ireland there and then. Like I thought. Operation posters.
SPEAKER_05Operation poster stuff.
SPEAKER_09That Yank at Yankee Lady, she was she was just a woman, like I was only a kid, and she was screaming away by these.
SPEAKER_06Apparently she was the leader with a poster. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_09Do you mean and like you know, they're just they're just posters, that's what we see them all the time. But I can remember. Remember that poster so well because we've seen them, they were everywhere.
SPEAKER_06But here, do you remember Keepsake for a tourist? TV, do you ever go up in the Raddies show? Since they'd got the whole new big centre, it's crazy. And they've got all the posters or their framed pictures of all the all the old gable walls, all the like the murals. And you look at some of them, you go, Wow, I was there, I wasn't beating out there. I was up to the nostalgia. It really does bring you back. But here they're fucking like they were amazing at the moment. Donnie Dana all doing all the impedance.
SPEAKER_10See, like watching stuff back like that, and you go, Oh fuck. Like it's nostalgic nostalgia, right? See, when you watch Paul Moose, that does half me because it was done floods. So I know it was Pumpy Brady's mad's house, and then the old trellises. Remember the old trellises, you just want to say it's her floods. Seeing her dream through, like fucking Moro's friend, there and you go to the uh series. I go fuck our son, such as fuck her listen, the first time you ever seen it on TV. And you look back and go, fuck because my dad has like a videotape of us in '94. Just all kids running about going mad, and maybe culture sack or date a whole lot. But seeing the street, it's just all old cars. Uh no one has double glazing windows. It's just like I ain't going like seeing you watch it. I go, fuck, I was late. Oh, you didn't know you were living? Yeah, there's flat like gators, gators all the street, people flying about in gators. Remember,
AI Fear And What It Even Is
SPEAKER_10gators. What was the best time? See to me when I look back, I go, What was the best time to be alive? That's what I was.
SPEAKER_09There was loads of kids in the street, and everybody played in the street. Yeah, I was out. And a sausage kids.
SPEAKER_10A sausage and drained up and bottom up and down the bottom of my street now, green sauce, and then going for one end up my broad nine years ago. No, we didn't, fucking.
SPEAKER_09You do hear about people, like loads of people getting that. Oh, big teds and people come in. And hear the front just four or five ton bulletproof.
SPEAKER_10Fucking awful. It's mad to think, like, see, like people from England come here, even still they stand to see a pillar jump. They're like What's that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Like there's a few fellows over from England that were boxing and like seen it like what the like what are they driving for? Yeah. And it's like cops. Why is there like a rat? Is there something on? Is there a rat on the side? I just think it was just that's just hard for standards. That's it. And I they they don't see that at all.
SPEAKER_09Because they and the boys and England don't, and the Scarlet and Wales they don't.
SPEAKER_10And even here I go, like iron race, like if I have like an arm like a like a brass card roof by iron race, you can't put the windows down. Like, what? And they're like, what do you mean they can't put the windows down? It's a bulletproof windows, you can't put the windows down. They can't cross back, they're like, What do you mean they're looking at yeah, because they literally can't put the windows? They can't put the windows down. It's bulletproof.
SPEAKER_09I think you better be working. Fuck imagine, you know, sweat your balls off all the time. See, that's why that's why when you look at this part of the world, it's a very specific place. And a lot of people don't get it. Which is why even the next one moves, whenever we read it, I remember reading it and going, Oh, this is class. And I obviously I was a good audience member because I was going, I know this. Yeah. And then when we were making it, I remember it was me and you. I was what, 20? I was 21. You were about 18. And they said we were the two youngest ones on it. And I remember going, people say they're gonna love this. You know, and luckily for us, the people from from our neck in the woods who were set, went, love it.
SPEAKER_06That's class because then all of a sudden you were representing them. That was one of our biggest worries to see if the West hadn't elected, and then I thought you were making a cunt. Sorry, I can't get that word, but you know what I mean? Then then I went, you'd have been because you'd you'd have got it out in the street. Oh, I know. Not the gat. You would have got it, but people would have got hot on that thing, but you wouldn't you wouldn't have got that. You would have got you know you know the stake, Sean. People aren't like he you just had people coming up and telling him I heard a box. And you're a screw, what the fuck? Like so you you'd get that in the West. If you were shade, they'd go didn't like that cat. Didn't like a box crap.
SPEAKER_09So we sort of we sort of knew now because at the end of the day, Pierce was a young writer then as well. Yeah. And there was no guarantee it would have worked. Now we were lucky with BBC Three, good budget, you know, brand new channel, so it's sort of tampered me. But I remember reading it going, they're gonna love her, hate it. See when if I would have done it, you could feel fuck us as cooking. No, absolutely and even even the crew to this day, there's guys around that crew who're gonna make pawn moves.
SPEAKER_10Basically, did you just get to watch it all before it was released?
SPEAKER_07Nah. Nah, there was no premiere. There was no premier. No, there wasn't a premier for the case. I don't think there was a crafting crew screen.
SPEAKER_10Obviously, you see the first name. The Jews aren't involved in every scene, so you just don't even know what it's gonna look like when it's all fucking arts and everybody else's.
SPEAKER_06No, that's right. A football tournament, the R8 show. First time ever. Never give up. Never give up 40 years of age.
SPEAKER_09Captain them so that. Got like four or five of our fellows who are good at football, and I'm ready to make it.
SPEAKER_06Six good players and went, I said at the back, you six just fucking tell me what to do. Keep me right, happy days. Is it no one? R. Kane would put this out of the way.
SPEAKER_02Shane young camp.
SPEAKER_06Brought our cane over and uh we're came up Hockey Lee and his big lad Shane, right the good player. So we brought him and Kane over. They're a year apart, put them in a different team. They were all happy this, no young, confident happy days. They put them in a couple of good players as well, big Rafna. They played us Bayes stay nil, right? So it was all your first in the group match. No, in the group match, and they were all no one off Robin Hasnot, giving it all fucking that's using users shit. There's also no baller we'd see as an affair. C one, big Ross, Martin off, fucking pop, give the boys a shout out. Who was it? Me, Phil, Mark, Ross, McGuni, we money. And did you play? And Big Kiwi.
SPEAKER_07Did you play? Two assists.
SPEAKER_06Hit the bar in the first match. I think we need to independently verify these two assists. Six verifyers. Okay. You can even ask Abby McGibbon. Blue lights, tack her out. Okay, you can ask Kevin. I'm gonna ring her.
SPEAKER_09She's an Arsenal supporter, so she knows football. Well, so she she she may call the outlets. Does she?
SPEAKER_06Do you not like to bring Arsenal up there after yesterday on the nutshell? Apparently so, I know it's like a death. I watched it, fuck on T. I watched it too.
SPEAKER_09They were pretty much city, do you? I said City, fuck's sake. Remember like even like back in the day, you see loads of
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SPEAKER_09Leeds United supporters and what's loads, there's loads of leads because leads were classed in the 70s, whatever it was.
SPEAKER_10Loads of leads. Did you bump into a few?
SPEAKER_06Because in Ireland I've seen the Orton, I would have been 95% United. But it was about 70% United, 30% leads. Like it was plenty of leads tops when you were looking on the TV. Like it was loads of Leeds fans.
SPEAKER_10Matthew Broad United or George, Newcastle. And I'm from the city. There's a few Jordan. I've seen more city taps than I've ever had in my whole life when you see like because of success, and you're seeing Holland and you're seeing like De Bruyne and all these players that like kids look at and go, he's my favourite player. And just automatically starts reporting.
SPEAKER_09All of a sudden, all these kids from Chelsea. Chelsea taps everywhere. It's just Chelsea Tabs everywhere.
SPEAKER_10Kids just go with success. That's it. Especially when their parents don't really support football, don't really care. Yeah. I have a city tap in my weed out from day dad. I brought them out walking up Lisbon Road all day and I seen that big tunnel now just at the bridge or before the bridge. I'm going, Manchester United. Arnold don't like it. It doesn't even annoy me no more when sitting a bit. I'm just like they don't curts. Like I've just lost love for it.
SPEAKER_06I think it's coached to death. It is. I think do you know what happened? Like see when it's not. See when they've seen Pep. Like Pap's brilliant at doing that. But see everybody trying to be Pep. Yeah. And like managers in League One trying to get your keeper to play from the back, there's a fucking reason he's a goalkeeper.
SPEAKER_03Exactly.
SPEAKER_06Do you know what I mean? If he was any good with his feet, he'd be in the midfield or in league in the championship or whatever. And everybody's trying to imitate it.
SPEAKER_09And there's so many if you can't play within a system. A system fuck up. Show yourself. Like you you look at the legs of uh like that famous one when you needed were 3-0 down against uh and it was a two or three nil half time. I think Froggy didn't even do a team talking. He says next goal wins it. Next goal wins it. That's who says it. The next goal will win. And I because he obviously trusted his players and you know what you're good at, you know what you're good at.
SPEAKER_10Fuck me, that's not running that.
SPEAKER_06It's like you see, you listen to the MUNED players out of here, and they say, like, Fergie told us very little tactically. He says, like, even he says all the work was done on the changing ground or on the training ground. And then once you got the match day, he says he'd have come in and went, right, Rooney, look at who's sitting beside you. There's Ronaldo, and then there's Tebes. You look at them too. Are they gonna let you down? No, they're not. You're from fucking Liverpool, hard working class area, work your balls off to get here. Don't be fucking letting him take it off you out there. Get you out and fucking get it off him, and then you're going, right, fucking no problem.
SPEAKER_09On any in any sport, if you're a competitive athlete, like if you're going out the fight and you're Latin and you're going, it's constant effort today. And you just don't know. Do you know in your heart?
SPEAKER_06Have you ever been in a ring and went, Who's not office? No, but not even that off. But you don't have the name.
SPEAKER_10So there's no just I know, like, I've had a few, and there's there's one like one stands out to me as a good mate of mine, Sam Maxwell. I boxed him. We lived together for three years in Glasgow, trained, done a hundred rounds sparring, probably the hardest punch I've ever been in the ring with. And I fought in the Odyssey two two and a half years ago. Uh-huh. And just he just wasn't at the races. I was just I was hitting him on a matter. And that can happen. He was trying to hit me, and he was just like it was just I was just I was just on it. And I was like, he's he's I see by the third round. He was big. He was psychologically fucked. So you can't sort of score like that.
SPEAKER_09And you know, you can make them adjustments in the monks, you go, look, I I'm gonna put him away here or I'm gonna do whatever. So a game plan essentially goes out of the out of the window because in those moments you know better than any game plan because you're feeling it there. And the same with football, if you know, like if if you're playing the wing and you go, he's not out of the day, he's a good slow today. Yeah, you know what I mean. You can make them adjustments, but it seems like that freedom for a footballer is taken away because they're going, like, you can't go past the half million. You need to play the ball this way. But you can maybe see. Oh, I all that's just in football. He's not at the rest of the day. He's not at the rest of the day I'll get at him, I'll get him, I'll get out of it.
SPEAKER_06Bloom van Gaal says the De Maria. I want you to have less of the ball.
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SPEAKER_06You do see that you know here's Sheon up Sean with the boxing. Like, see if you have somebody in front of you, right, and you know I can finish him, but it's only like round two, and say you're you're wanting the rounds. Are you going to finish him?
SPEAKER_10I don't ever want rounds. I just I I don't know if you're not going to be able to do that. Yeah. But I I'm very, very aware that like when people are hurt is when when you're when I'm most vulnerable. When the fairs are most vulnerable, because you think they're fucked here and either swinging. And then bang a swing. They're on survival, they're just like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and just swing. Just run on. And that's 90% of the time people are knocked out when when they're attacking. Uh because you see that?
SPEAKER_06Like there's loads of YouTube clips like that and all of somebody they're all around and it's about comeback and all that.
SPEAKER_10People have just there's nothing else to give them, it's just swinging hope. If you want lack of concentration, thinking they're not going to swing back, then you're fucked. Just have you beat it, and you're done. Just have to be always aware of that. So I'm happy enough to just pat right away. Like, I would rather be able to do that.
SPEAKER_09If you're making those decisions in the ring, give them what you're saying. Because you may have to then adjust to go, ooh, okay, I wasn't expecting that or wasn't expecting this. Like I remember whenever we met Carr and Carr was going to fight and he was on the cruise for the second fight. And it was a Christmas time you came to see the two brothers. And I remember saying to him, Isaac on his go, No, it's good, it's good. He says, um he says the first fight was good, he says, but I think I can make more improvements. I think I can go up a level. And then you go to the second fight, and then the opposite was true. But at the same time, you go like in boxing, you can be fighting that level can Santa Cruz can also be better.
SPEAKER_10It can also be better. So everyone's false from that first. You're never gonna fit the same fight. They're never gonna fit the same fight twice, and if they do, they're fucking shooting the ring. Yeah. Like if if you lose something's gonna like anyone at that level losing a first fight, they're never gonna like they're very, very, very rarely gonna lose a second fight unless they're just not good enough. Unless the Felix fight was just at level. It's very rare that you get a rematch now. Yeah, when they're a level above, because if they're a level above, what's a point? But when it's tight fights, when they're close fights, one gets it, it's like fuck it's just tight. Rematch close, they'll fight again. And everything like let's say for example, Lewis Crocker, Polly Donovan. I don't know if any of you watched that. The fight. Yep. Uh Polly Donovan beat the fuck out of the way. Which was a surprise because he got disqualified. So Lewis won. Uh-huh. And everyone was like, fucking up burn, right? The rematch comes, goes to fucking for the world title. This is for night because there's been me and monitoring and then your man vacated, so it became free. They both fight and went to the park for a world title. Lewis Crotter is fucking four to one or something. He was on, yeah. And then he goes in. Whole tactics changed. Whole tactics changed. He changed his whole style. Panny Damon and he wanted to fight the same fate as the last time. He he thought Lewis Crotter was going to do the same thing at one trick pony. Yeah. And Lewis Crotter literally changed his whole thing. He flipped the script. Exactly. Because I remember whacking that's because he had to, yeah. If he went and done the same thing again, it would be nuts.
SPEAKER_09So in that moment, then, for example, Patty Donovan was unable to adjust. Yeah. He thought so that's that's the fan mark. It wasn't fully adjust on the night where he was going because he looked slick at night, but it wasn't landing. Yeah, cracker was hurting him and hurting him.
SPEAKER_10And then when he got dropped twice, when you get dropped twice in two different rounds, you're fine. You know what I mean? You're four rounds down. Yeah. So Lewis Cracker only needs a win one or two rounds. Yeah, and he's rather decision. So there's loads of subjective rounds. So it's like it's it's it's like it's small margins, but see I've been able to adjust to a completely different thing, and then you're expecting the same outcome from your opponent. It's like you need it's where professionalism is like hard, like you have to expect to always be able to turn around.
SPEAKER_09Any combat athlete, it's just on you. In a game sport like football, if you have a bad day, maybe they'll be able to pick up a slag and you pick up a slag of an oil. But like I've always thought about this. Combat athletes have just gotta do it. I don't know.
SPEAKER_10It's mentality. It's an old quote like uh like a quote from Roy Keane or something said after Javantis match, and it was like returning all dinner half time against the Vantas or turn all day after like a lot of minutes, 13 minutes. Yeah, and he goes and I pick up a al car. He's like everyone like like very easily cut out of their heads. I got a yellow card, which meant I lost I missed out in the final no matter what, so I could have won the fucking head in the fan, I don't give a fuck no more. But he says my attitude was if I missed the final, I'm not gonna let my fucking teammates miss the final. It's up to me now to get my teammates in the fight. That's a perfect way of going. Like he he wasn't selfish. Uh-huh. He was he wanted the best for the team, but he made it sound like a dickhead on the pitch, but like shooting a piece or whatever else, but it was it was for their benefit. Michael Jordan brother had that same attitude. Oh, I should have. So he went and he says I covered every blade of grass. I fucking scored a header. I'm a 132, and the team got the header, he got a header, he got the penis. I didn't get the penalty final, but the team did. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that was the difference in like mentality, that was just his mentality. Like, I can't get the final. I can't.
SPEAKER_06I'm gonna make sure that they'll let it sort of like it. It's my cause that sort of cemented his not that he wouldn't have been, but it it made him more of a legend that that he that he sacrificed himself in the semi-final, knowing this is me done tonight. Like this is my final. Yep. And he did it, like he was unbelievable. But then the wankers, you know, I hit for him when Fergie played the big compliment, going, I was so proud to call him a player that night, covering every blade of grass, doing this, doing that, and then fucking King said years ago, I sure was meant to do, that was my job. I'm like, fuck shit, Roy. Do you know what I mean? But that's his story. He's pissed me off with a hell of a pissed me off with a whole Fergie thing. I'm down team Fergie.
SPEAKER_10No, but that is his mentality.
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SPEAKER_10Yeah, it's a little ball.
SPEAKER_06You don't have to have to fucking he's a careless strap. He does, he's a carbon strap. Alex Ferguson's Ferguson as well. Alex Ferguson let go of Brian Robson, he let go of Steve Bruce, you let go of Roy Keeney, that go with David Facker, he let go of Ronaldo Ents. Do you know what I mean? He told big players, lads, you're done. And then after he kept winning. And he kept winning after Keno as well.
SPEAKER_10Did you ever say his contract compared to Gary and Avell's contract? He put a contract over there off the ball podcast. Oh, that's right. He goes, got a million this year, and Gary and Avell's sitting there. He goes, go read that, and he's looking born. You were getting more from more, and like whenever he sent a contract, said it was 2002 or something. He's like, You were getting more in 2002 than I was in 2011. So did you ever see the the one showing 2011?
SPEAKER_06Did you ever see the one there sitting there and uh Neville saying with Hingard and then Kane says with Hingard? Then I turned around the room and go, what'd you get?
SPEAKER_05He goes, Has year was 17 million? Keno does not want to go on off our play.
SPEAKER_09He was a generational man. Because you see, like some of the numbers on football and hardest national Premier League, like yourself.
SPEAKER_06So did C Spurs are spending 85 million on Erimon Savino. That's crazy. He scored one Premier League goal last year. It's fucking unbelievable. Jimon Reinders came for 45 million last year.
SPEAKER_09He went for 65 minutes.
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SPEAKER_09Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_09Unbelievable.
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SPEAKER_10Did you meet each other before Bulldogs? Or like did you was it on that statue you first met each or no?
SPEAKER_09Kim was in uh Kim was in Beachment and I grew up just uh just in AV, just off of Amy. So he was younger than me, so I would have seen it with the bust up every morning. I would have been down over the corpus and he would have been standing on his waiting on his bus to go to CBS. He was like, oh no, George Hun, what's the crack? So we woke up the eye. It's five past eight. Five night in the morning. I had done a bit of acting, do you know what I mean? So he always would have said low, but I never knew him as an actor because he were only kids, like and then obviously when we grew up, he was doing a bit of acting, I was still doing a bit of acting, and then when we got cast in Paul moves, that's when we sort of really became friends because we were like he was about 18, I was 21. Yeah, so that's when we became mockers, like, and I've been stuck. Well, can't say as a child, we seen each other as kids, yeah, but we were never like kicking a football guy or bumping marble.
SPEAKER_10Was there ever like a like a stigma around being an actor back in the day? Like, was there because there was like a game for me going up? I was like, drama drama.
SPEAKER_09Oh, seen that's like in school, oh you're doing the MPS no something wrong.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you know, exactly.
SPEAKER_10Everybody's legs, like my drama teacher was going to meet you're gonna do a show here, and I was like, I'm not doing a show. She's like, Sean, you're doing a fucking show. You didn't want that heat, you didn't want that heat fucking. And she was like, You're so like I done front. I had to do something in front of the class I done. She was like, You're doing this is your role, you're doing this. What's what school you go to? I went to high school up and sold me up a cover.
SPEAKER_06I never forget it. P six. So at the end of P six, she got told you're going to do the show and we'll like on P7. So y'all got brought out. I never forget it in the corridor. Class and Mr. Laggy's class and uh Miss Haggerty supported me out first and she went, right? I really want him to do something really good in it, right? And I was like, Happy Jess, I'm gonna get to do something here. And then he just write, right, right, and he went, Alright, you'll play the dame. And I went, Sweet. You didn't know what the dame was. She didn't know what a dame was. So I went away, came back in September and all, and then fucking bang, here we go. Big dressing. You're gonna have to get a dress and all. And your sister have any shoes at fit, you know? And I was like, You're fucking joking, aren't you?
SPEAKER_03And then I got up and wrapped it like was it just uh a panto lick?
SPEAKER_09I think it was Aladdin or something. He's all even when we were in the two balloons, he loved doing the women stuff. He loved the same wigs and all, he's like, Joe, we're getting new wigs and all here. When we get when we get leggings and all the interesting suspenders, no, he loves it. He was uh it never seemed to be as comfortable with a wig and a parasus uh legging.
SPEAKER_02I don't want to say suspenders he never takes him off sweating fucking and then.
SPEAKER_10I would like that. I think I have like loads of people go to meet, like especially Derbys, we should like her mates, like are still they still act and still do like fucking like West End stuff and what you know what I mean, and and like eating her friend Ruby and I'll be like Dervely and you get carbon the drama because he's a funny bastard and he's very confident. But then I bought him the fucking brass neck or something. You didn't want to know? Didn't want to know exactly.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you can fuck back, you can't put somebody doesn't see this, there's still finished that there's a difference between being an outgoing kid though and fucking somebody saying you get to you on the stage in front of the 400 people. I know. It's a different you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_10I I think I would have done that because I was always a confident kid. Like I wouldn't give a like I just went, I'm not being an actor, I'm not being a fan, I've got drama. Exactly. That's what I thought. Exactly. It's sort of everybody, you know what I mean? But then go fucking up to be an order carrot. All of a sudden you're going to yourself.
SPEAKER_09Because I remember I done I'd done f kids presenting first, that's how I started. Was like doing going, how you doing I'm here today? What was it called? Over the wall. Over the wall, and then activate for BBC. And I used to get Slay Richard, what are you doing today? And all do I mean? So I used to slow back to me. But I was getting paid, I was going to see and the car, got to see the world and running about, filming in London, filming Scotland, and all doing all these different sports and all. Because it was like a sports activities one where like you're doing boogie boarding or you're doing whatever and you're reporting as a kid's magazine, essentially. So I was getting paid, and I remember banning like whenever I was 10 or 11, doing over the wall, getting paid, and going out and banished at a PlayStation games like that. I remember going, I'm gonna go down, I get paid every week. Like for about 16 weeks in the past, I was going, I game every week of a month. So all of a sudden you there was a there was a monetary value to doing this acting. So all the slagging you what I got, I remember going, but you whatever I'm just gonna keep doing this every crack and see how we go. Because I got paid early since I was eleven by doing kids presenting. And then obviously it gets a bit harder as you get a bit older, you do a bit of theatre and you do a bit of film. But I remember at a very young age the slaggins didn't really matter because you were getting away.
SPEAKER_10It was like a somewhat I think it was like a a band in England or making a music album and I was in the video with a music video like a pair of it. Then it was a sort of thing for TJ Car, but in this box and talking about it based on fucking over the team on a rocky roll or something from usual. And they asked me to play it. So they ice took the ice team before me. I was working for a 76 in Belfast, but I was on the Ice team as well. And they were like, Yeah, they wanted to hang a pair for me much. I'm like, I don't know, so it gave me a ground from town. I got a boss. I didn't drive the time. Got a boss down to Dublin on a Saturday morning that used a nice little stadium three hours of filming, down with your stupid fucking bitter boxing.
SPEAKER_09This is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Even that, being able to speak to people, be able to go right. You're telling stories. Yeah, I mean, so in a way you are acting. Because at the end of the day, you know, you're telling you because you're not trying to engage people. And you know yourself, an audience can be heard sometimes. Yeah, but like a sight scene too. Imagine trying to hurt, like fucking trying to hurt cats sometimes, yeah. Trying to get them to listen to make sure they'll get their money's worth. So even with that, it's a form of performance. Yeah, you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_06Because I say the weekend was asking me at the weekend season with uh uh mentality thing. Um he was asking me a scene quasin the other day, and I was saying to him that it felt like I can't remember getting too much, like you got a couple, like you know all that there, you're doing the act and all, but uh it was because you got work when you were young and you sort of verified yourself, do you know what I mean? Like you'd done stuff, and people were going, Oh, I just remember he'd done that for the school, and that was funny. So people seemed to be in funny, and then they scene you getting a bit of work outside, and then do you know what I mean? And then I went and did custards and all when I was like third year, and then we were now in for a bath and all, and people were going, Fuck no, he's gonna bath and all right. So I was going to have ideas, do you know what I mean? So it wasn't like it wasn't as if you were running about telling everybody I
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SPEAKER_06ain't gonna be an actor, yeah, and and hadn't having anything to fucking back it up.
SPEAKER_10It just sort of happened, it just sort of we had no boil saying about going here to go to Central Wheezy's. That's right, yeah, yeah. At that stage, it was the first time I had to laugh fashion that yeah. Well, now he's going to do drama and center weeze. No, people probably fucking cons probably laughing now going so that's the thing, it's like you just have to just keep yourself going, I'm not gonna listen.
SPEAKER_09Unless it's somebody like you know maybe you need to listen to. Do you know what I mean? But it just the the the noise outside, you just go because they go, you know, if somebody turned in and said, Sean, you can't fight your shit, you'd be like, alright, not boxing. Oh, no, I know. You can't act now. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_06You just have the sort of yeah, the noise. Oh, and there'll always be somebody'll tell you. Fuck on it.
SPEAKER_02I'm done. That's fine. I've got a coffee and they go fuck them all right.
SPEAKER_07What the hell?
SPEAKER_10So this will be the first time we get all cast together since then, probably.
SPEAKER_06This is it? No, that's it. Officially, like I we've never been I don't think we've ever been in the same room together since the rap party. Since the rap party.
SPEAKER_09I swear to god, like I can't think of because obviously we would see Cam the board, I would see him, Kim McMan's in England. There will be seen the old time. There's never been an instance where the five months have been in the same room again. It's basically like the boys' one reunion. It is where the biggest union since you can be you can be uh Ron and Keaton. I'd be uh I'd be Big Shane, um and it can be uh he can be Meggie and Calvin can be Keith Luffy. You can be Louie Wells. The biggest union since Boys. But yeah, it's been what 24 six years? Twenty two. 2002 before filmed it. And that's a mad thing because you know everybody asks how to wardrobe, and you go, fuck no, I haven't seen it. It's it's it's uh the people do ask you how's the boys getting on or and it's mad because even to this day, especially with me living in there, eh? It's mad how many people still watch it. Yeah, like on YouTube or wherever they can fit it, was on Amazon Prime for a bit. Was it it was I remember when Amazon Prime first launched, upon the movies was on there. It was on that video labor. Can you reboot it? But it's mad the many people go, I sell several rubber and carry out some lines taking on.
SPEAKER_10People need to go, like people don't even realise because I put up on uh YouTube or not YouTube, I put up on my uh TikTok a couple of months ago. There's the posters saying first and they were like, Can you watch is there anybody who can watch this? It's mad. It's probably like people as well that's never watched it. Like like you say in the audience and all the kids in the generation. That was it, you can never see anything.
SPEAKER_09Every episode, oh fuck, that's brilliant. It's actually mad because before we do the reunion, I'm gonna re-watch it myself. I haven't seen it in years and actually re-watch it myself just to remember the crack and remember the stories. Because there's standout scenes, there's probably about eight or nine scenes in you always pick and go, Love that one, love that one, love that one, iconically. But there's loads of scenes you probably forget. There's loads of scenes.
SPEAKER_10See what you were saying the other day, watch the first episode just uh and I went fuck even that part you say the end of when they take us out. See how I watched that, I was like, that's fucking brandy, goes to me. So you knew from our first scene of the first episode that you were just like.
SPEAKER_06He just grabbed it and then went, ah fucking go.
SPEAKER_10But I I'd be cool to like when we do the podcast to like talk behind the scenes a wee bit about how it was filmed, and uh heck one of these were saying about what was rope to him, mouth to mouth and all that shit. We're fucking crazy. Do you know what I mean? So you see um stories about how it was made and the behind the scenes. You'll have to get that clip iconic.
SPEAKER_06You'll have to get that clip, and yes, you'll see his face. I swear to God, you'll see him gagging in his fucking and it I never I I can remember standing in the flat. I remember where his neck the pro button was. It's like a big wine angle, and I was standing there, and he like I thought I thought he was going to be sick, and he he kept on going. It's burning, it's burning. There's no one he's going over in his ankle.
SPEAKER_05It's fucking he's running away, he's going where and I showed him it's me and shows him where are you going? And he goes, They got a fucking ambulance, and he's running away, and he fucking just sees the wing whoop and he looked like it's a big thing. And he goes, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_09Do you know what I mean? But it's mad because the the scenes you probably even forget, and for me, I was always in and out because they were obviously there every day, yeah. Where hooker was in and in and out in and out. So it was good in the sense, even for the even for the dynamic of the characters, yeah, where he was my mate in it allegedly, where he was stopped by More Boys who were his real mates. So whenever I used to bounce him, me and used me and him used to just start slagging them all. Yeah, because they were a wee bit older. That's what it means. It was a fucking camera, I was on the fucking there's the fucking glucose never in the day, me fuck you. So there was always in a weird way the assumption of of the bus Seiman was the Seiman was the leader of the pack, yeah. He's the pack Camser, whole court, McManiman sort of being a bit of a that he's doing whatever and slaves.
SPEAKER_10It was like paying yourselves. Everybody paying ourselves.
SPEAKER_09Everybody just done that, and it was there was a real authenticity to it, yeah, which which really really shows on screen. So you know it's it's one of the ones where you go to yourself, you've been a man sets now, and everyone's different. But Pollen Hughes, it was it was like a way a bit of freedom till it and Brian Kirk's obviously the director, very, very good at his job, going, Use fucking cooking. Yeah, you just go for it, and I'll if I need it, I'll rein you in or I'll tell you to turn the screws. So there was a real sort of like, what about the day? Yep.
SPEAKER_10There was a there was a real bond or alley of that community, like was that relationship? You've already had all that. No, everybody's a relationship.
SPEAKER_06Everybody clicked. Like I remember, I I never forget this, right? So because I was only 17 when I started doing that. Hadn't really fucking like hadn't really even had a job, you know what I mean? You're only 17. And uh so we went only out in the first week, and I was fucking can remember skint, hadn't a fucking brown, right? Hadn't a Y shirt, just you know what I mean? Was you at that stage you'd have still asked your man dad for a tenner and no other sort of whatever, you know what I mean? And fucking uh still at that stage. And uh fuck's sake, but I can remember, right? So it was a Freddy, and we were based in uh Kennedy Centre. That's where the they were building Saints Weeks, like they were napping that down and building that a little right now. The unit bases or Curdy's Curdy's was still operating, right? And uh so we were there and they were all talking about going out. It was a Freddy, right? And McManiman and Kavan and everybody, and they were all saying, right, don't go down here. Milk was in the town, milk was the place to build Mark Burner, who's a good friend of Pierce's own milk and all. So they had to run in the place and you know, no cues, all that fucking bring tabby designs. Oh that's it, I don't know.
SPEAKER_05He's all heading out, I used to look at that one.
SPEAKER_06Everybody goes out and I'll never fucking forget it, right? God loving when McManiman came over to me and he went, uh, right, Cobb. And I said he used to call me and he went, uh, right, you be out tonight? And I went, Nah, can't I say I just want to chill out this week and he went, Why? And I went, just you know, just saying this one, you scared? And I was like, uh He went, right, no problem. He says, You be in my apartment in a half now. I had an apartment over by Queen's near me, right now. So I went home, got changed, went down in the apartment, Karen came out of his room and he went, uh 500 quid. I see 500 quid in 2006, they we'd have some function that never had 500 quid in the top of his life.
SPEAKER_05What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_06Fucking good. But it was stuff like that. All it were like the older ones, you know what I mean? We're not gonna have to get all the just right come on, we'll all be a part of the tomb here. I probably saw okay. There was definitely that sort of crack. Well, there was that looking after and the camaraderie and picture. Like I've been Cabin Elliott's mate from day that all that same every day or anything like that. Do you know what I mean? Always be mates.
SPEAKER_09There's a few there's a few Cavan stories that are good, like I remember Cabin sort of you know, then you go like he said, What am I and he's trying to get his lens now? And his the per the the brilliant name was Wadob, we're swimming my sharks. Right? So that was the line, ward up, we're swimming my sharks, yeah. So Cabin, you may as well give that line, and he could have said it in Japanese easier than English, because it was just like Watch up, we're squirrels. That again.
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SPEAKER_01And then caving the fucking heads, ward up, sharks, I fucking know what the heck is going to say.
SPEAKER_05You can see it in the actual performance of it. Where he actually just stands up going, Watch up with swimming with sharks.
SPEAKER_09It was the best picture of the whole thing. And then the NH3 mist, the dog called NH3 mist. It was just certain we wee lines with Cabin. You see Cam getting vacant going, I fucking hate this lane. I can't say his lane. And where does that sit there?
SPEAKER_06Wait and go with the Cabinet's lane. There's a day as well. I saw every time I look at it, go fuck me, else we went out one night. The I don't know if you were there, we went uh the holiday inn, no facing the BBC, it's the Clayton or something there. Again, it was the first time I'd heard of this. We went in and fucking uh we're all invited down there for a couple of pints after work right sound. So I went down and uh they were like, What heck here? The cards behind the bar. Fuck it, that's a tough. So straight up. Stella. Never drank Stella in my life. Fuck it, Brunant, here we go. Bang. I had about I'm not lady, right? About fucking ten pounds of Stella sitting out the front of a fucking hotel. Is that the night you pace yourself? That's a different thing. Well my weapon? Fucking brutal. I woke up at lex morning, right? Disaster. Fuck I got about three hours sleep. Mm-hmm. So we're in the Falls Park. You had that smart car. Oh, I'm sorry. I'd be seen, you know, with a smart car in the Falls Park. And that landy, it was like a way it was here two weeks ago. It was fucking roasting. Roasting. Yeah. And I had on a full tracksuit because it had been the continuity, you know, from the previous scene. So you had to work, you had to have it zipped up and all fucking hell. You don't even you see me once in the scene. I'm not just clicked Brian Kirk just cut me.
SPEAKER_09I'm in the scene, and he just walks off and goes everywhere.
SPEAKER_05Do you know what I mean? I sit here 20 years later going, I wonder why they never heard me again.
SPEAKER_09This is the mad thing. It was almost like even in that sort of madness, you know, they just find, well, just cut him out of him. And they will cut around him. It wasn't a big massive slap on the wrist. He turned up, he was trying his best, and even like there's a load of our stories they got to you just go in there, they were flying close to the seat of the wind, but the performances held. The story held, everybody was there, but you weren't phoning the performance then, you were fucking there. Shaman.
SPEAKER_06Seyman and your home and Donald McHenry, Donald Cold Reston, who was a lovely no Donald Donald Not Donald McHenry, Donald McHenry still lame well. Donald McHenry thing. Very much Donald Trump.
SPEAKER_02Don't all the laugh about Donald Laughing. He hasn't bad. Don't be looking at me. I don't fucking know about it.
SPEAKER_06His wife Charlotte knows on it. Ah, it's gonna annoy me so much.
SPEAKER_09I I can't remember. He's asked me names and you know. Obviously, this means a lot more to you than me, so I can't remember.
SPEAKER_06Anyway, Delaney and Dono, who I can't remember his surname of. Uh he was our cameraman. He was fucking legend, sound, loved the crack. Him and uh Delaney were staying in the holiday inn, that's what they were using. The two clowns were back all night, had a few in the bar. Says, we'll go to the room, have an already drink, dead on. Went up, loved the wee bacardi, the two of them funk down. Oh fuck. And uh Delaney says to him, Bring us up a bottle of bacardi. And the we fellow down on a day said, sorry, same when we don't do battles. He went, dead on. Bring us up 32 bacardis and 16 dag hooks. And the fuck I do.
SPEAKER_04Was it the wee million Gilligan?
SPEAKER_06I can't imagine. What? Donald Gillian. Donald Gillian, good man. Thank God I remember that. Gentleman, good man, really good man. Really was Donald McCandry and Dillon and Gillian. Well, two different people, yes. But Donald go to him and but him and fucking him, him and Delaney, 32 butty fucking and Dak Hook, Maris Surrender the next morning, two of them had about 20 minutes sleep, bang on the ad sound. Fresh as a daisy, fresh as a few. Turned around to Delaney and all halfway through the day and went, were you not Danny?
SPEAKER_04He went, I am fucked, but I'm not letting any M and see it. You know what I mean? That's the way to do it. It was the old hand, you know what I mean? They knew how to do it.
SPEAKER_09He was wardrobe in every sense of work. Oh, he was, he was out the front, not after everybody you sorted, you sorted.
SPEAKER_06So that's the way the killer and all was shade. The killer was shade for a way. Saturday stolen there, Saturday. That's exactly it. That fellow was around every chip on the west. I swear to God, see, everywhere he used to drive on the alley turn, he'd go, Rafa's happy night. Morris get you down there, four or five suppers, throwing the boys out, and the crew went on a hang fucking all that down.
SPEAKER_09And that's the mad thing, is like, because in the in the I addiction in London, I didn't know that he was cast, nobody knew. Obviously, but every Rosie actors were getting seen for it, but nobody knew who was thinking. I mean, same in Delani was going, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what I've always doubled a following hat, it's gonna go. And let's die, that just like and his accent's amazing. His accent's pretty much amazing. His whole persona of Or do we just go, we all know somebody like that.
SPEAKER_06The same as a Kraken Agnes. We've seen the same in the world. And I've seen Connol doing that, too. He's like the the first one to do it. Connolith Hill, he got the elevator award enough for it. And Connell said he's out in his own with a butt same was fucking just real unbelievable. Real, real quality.
SPEAKER_09So that's why you know, for from a reunion standpoint, anybody that's a fan of the show, it's almost like this is this is this is your this is your rap party.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Do you know what I mean? If you like the show, if you watch the show, if these characters are somebody you meant, oh it was a fucking great crack, and if you still enjoy it, that's why it's a good one. If you felt short chained, you felt short chained on the second season, which just didn't happen. It is it is that sort of like I no, I will be sitting on that stage repenting us, regaling war stories, yeah, having the crack. It's almost like a it's like a awake, almost, yeah. You sort of you set you settle on it. Exactly. To me, that's what that's what it feels like. That's a hundred percent what I mean. Sit repent and sit and tell all the fun. But having the crack, absolutely. So that's what that's why I think it's important. And it's it's a million percent worth doing from our point of view, your point of view.
SPEAKER_10But for an audience, if you're a fan of the show, that's a I even say that to Pierce. Uh he was sort of told, I don't know how it'll work, I don't know how it'll work. I didn't remember the first it's to get people talking again regardless, no matter what. We'll get a fucking little video, we'll get clips out after and just re- re-spark the interest. Uh-huh. And you never know, you might get something coming, you might be able to get someone approaching and be like, yeah, what about writing a new book? You never know. You can freely freely use all the clips whatever way you want from the stories or whatever. I don't know, but um it it's it's it's it's it's I just thought they mean fuck when I had you on, I thought that's a great idea.
SPEAKER_09It's a good idea because you're sure to let go on. Not even necessarily for us, but for anybody who's a fan of the show. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But there's never been anything after. There's there's never been anything.
SPEAKER_10And it and it's genuinely uh it's it's a genuine reunion. Oh, I absolutely said without an audience, you would do like It probably would never have happened again, like a reign without either one being commissioned. Absolutely. Let's say, for example, when he's just reached out to one other man to hear, why are we reining? I can't test it. It'll never happen. It never happened in the first year as January. I've never had an opportunity to show them.
SPEAKER_06That's just Cavan. He's like, I remember just keeping up on talking about polar movies, you know. And he used to say with Pierce, you went, Where the fuck do you want to come watch? Because these things called podcasts been about for the last 15 years are really popular. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_10Do well, do well.
SPEAKER_09But there's plenty, there's plenty of reasons to do it. And like I say, you know, because you always have people going, I love that scene. I love that scene. I love that scene. And it's mad because if we all sort of watch the show on the night and the clips, it just brings everybody back into that world. You go, Ah fuck, I forgot that one. There's loads of scenes that I remember. Like even what some that come up recently with him, he's done the tagsies ever. And he pulls up and they're welcome and he goes, I don't know
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SPEAKER_09you.
SPEAKER_01And he says, I don't know you. He goes, I don't fucking know.
SPEAKER_09And it's weird ones they got the smallest things. But they're so used to. Like with my thing, what do they call it? I've never been so offended. And he goes, There's nothing brilliant about that, but it's fucking off.
SPEAKER_06One of my favourite ladies the whole thing is uh Frankie McAvery on McBarn's and he goes, You should be rubbed out and drawn again.
SPEAKER_09But McBarn's bad news, that's right. And he's standing there shaking like a shitting dog. And he was reprening sitting on and doesn't mean that. So there's so many, there's so many, uh there's so many scenes in it and stories in it.
SPEAKER_10We'll do that on the night. We'll talk about it, we'll put up a couple of scenes. Oh, I scenes. And we'll talk about them. Absolutely. And we'll talk about them. Exactly. We'll watch it back and see from the clips alone before anyone on the stage remember see from stage alone from people will be laughing about it. Absolutely. I'll be able to do that.
SPEAKER_09That gets them back, and they're going, This was class. Exactly. Because even people still got a made hair dragon, issues that make me run life faster. Do you mean even kids will quote your lines that you says? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Whether it'd be and like Mansa, up your home. Up your home. Up your home, Mansa. And even that, because it was that was the only studio work, wasn't it? It was. So I won't even know that episode I won't even end. But watching that episode, because I you know I was never anything.
SPEAKER_06Actually, we're talking about that episode uh we came on the mentality monster thing, because he was asking me my favourite scene. And I was going thinking back, that week was brilliant up at that wee studio. Because it's the only studio. Everybody barred him, was there? Do you know what I mean? Like Potty and all was out, Jenkins always out. Mark McKenna and Daniel and all was out because the act there was loads of actions out that week. So it was it was really good. We got there, it was good crack. And do you know what I always remember? It was a full week guy and that's the first one. Do you remember that? Right? See what you think about it now. Behind that had big eight packs of bark busters of Strombo. Big fucking barkbusters. Ended up fucking giving half them away. Because even the pop like Strombow was like page back in. Do you know what I mean? And people were like, nah, I don't want it. So it was the old A. Strombo was the next one. It was the old A. Couldn't even give it away at Paul props guy. I couldn't get the old English. Don't be wrong, it's case of flat. Actors were like, I even case it's a stagger.
SPEAKER_10Old English is this this this continue that doesn't work, that does not do that no more. Is it done? No, it's all bike busters are like anyway, definitely done in the north here because you can still get pensive old English in a beefer. And a beefer. Can you? So you go in the end of lines now, you can't get old English in there. I can get bite busters now. 199 or something. It was like a free you used to get we used to get loads of one litre, stick them in the freezer, and get buck fast, pour it in next slugie, and then pour the buck fast in it. Old buck we used to call it. It's great. Yeah, I'm sure I tasted it on that. Third flaws cocktail.
SPEAKER_09The worst thing about it was drinking it at room temperature. Classics, hanging on that offline topia on Ash Street. I remember rocking in big saberns and massage jacket off there. Getting warm setter, and that's all you were getting on. You were getting lukewarm room temperature setter. And that was it. You were happy enough. You were happy enough. Yeah. You were definitely being sick, but you were happy enough. This is the way it's gonna be. I didn't mind old English.
SPEAKER_10I love that with a fucking career. I'm not changing. This is what I'm about. Some of them serve me up.
SPEAKER_09You know, you look you look back at even some of the stuff you posted on Facebook like ten years ago. Like even like when me and Ronnie uh the way people use it, even then you look back and you get embarrassed. You sort of wonder when people have been decking and I had and commenting. Clearly, saying something would never say in real life. If they ever look back and go, yeah, they'll be even embarrassed. You'd hope they would. 100% honestly. I I literally never comment on anything unless it's positive. Yeah, because you're sort of like on nice to say, same as you're not. There's no point rate in negativity. Yeah, there's no point rate negativity. You sort of go, nah, not happening. Like, do you know what I mean? And here, what about this uh Crook Park Kitty Till I think you uh said it for?
SPEAKER_10I'm actually doing someone's corner on it. Oh really? I'm coaching, I'm doing uh Paul Rand's corner number two, his second. He's got a coach, I'll be number two. Uh he was a teammate of mine for years, but he's fitting Polly Gall, he's from Belfast. Oh, right, is he? I was actually gonna say about the Pete Taylor breaking over and doing a bit in Amsterdam. He says Pete won't let you, because Pete used to train Paul Ran. Right. The reason why he started training with Paul Ran is because he moved away. Where's Paul Ran from? Dublin. So he's training Dublin with my number two. So Pete's my number one coach, and then my second. Like if it in your corner you have a f a first, which is Pete a second, a cut man. You know what I mean? So my first I'm gonna be his second. So I'm gonna be my second second.
SPEAKER_09And what is Patty, what does Patty get?
SPEAKER_10I don't I don't think he knows it. I don't think he knows it. But to be honest with you, the decision was only made there like two days ago.
SPEAKER_09Um do you think that would would that ever be an issue or is it just business?
SPEAKER_10I love Patty got Patty Gallery bits, but I think it's it's just business.
SPEAKER_09Alright, what are you just padding? I said in the town, because we I had done lemonade sandwich and my dream I'd read a play about German Manus and Patty. So I got to meet Patty and George. But I remember even watching them sparring years ago when we were doing the play, and just even it's mad because even watching them sparring or any boxer sparring, even the sparring.
SPEAKER_10I bring people to spar like to watch me spar the one, I just go ahead. Like say for example, like Paul Hart and he owns a price guy. I was going to he was like, Oh my god, talking about spar here down banger, he's from banger. He's like, Oh, I'm gonna have a couple of my time and sparn at me. Well, sparn lamb, but I'm not being the ring to be a half lamb. He's like, Oh fly round. He flew around and he was a spawn. He was like, Holy fuck. Now he he he sits ring side, obviously full face because he's sponsored. I hear him and it's seeing it. Oh wow, that's where it's more it's more crowder, you hear every punch, you hear a ring, you see every bit of fucking you see a ring, you s and you s hear a ring, and you feel a ring, and you go wow.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I noticed even with the head gear and all on the bigger gloves. Oh wow. Welts I was big arcane at the end.
SPEAKER_06Does it mean for Clannard? And uh like when you go to their club show sometimes, what do you mean you get the last stair four fights from the bigger lads that come in and all? And like you say, you're standing from here to there, and they're fucking so I got me out of here. Even at that age. Ah, Jesus Christ, there's big I forget his name, Brandon. Big Brandon, and his one of these big heavyweight, you want to say sizes. I'm sure you've seen them, Sean, know what I mean. But he's fucking sexy, he's like a big con. You know what I mean? He's a big fucking monster. And he was fighting a wee fella about two, three months ago, and they were just a club show. Yep. They were just getting warmed up, whatever, fucking keeping themselves busy with the sound of the two of them pausing each other, and they were like, fucking hell.
SPEAKER_10Even like even like like flower. It's like Polly Barnes used to live in me as well in Glasgow, and Polly's a wee bull. And I used to watch that called Spawn. I used to go, like, he's probably the most person I've went to that sparn, spawn. I've watched them whole life, so it doesn't, but like there's been a few times I've got, fuck them too, someone's gonna knock it out. Someone's gonna get flat. Because Polly just doesn't hold back. He doesn't know how to hold full whack while someone else is throwing four whack and the punch is just going to get on both of them and go, fuck one of them's gonna hit each other. So either you know and it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and it's like he'll finish with a big heavy shot while someone else is block, black, block, and throwing a heavy shot as well at the same time, and they're and I'm going fuck. It's like the many times I've seen it being that. That's somebody getting their heads up.
SPEAKER_06Do you like Sparn?
SPEAKER_10I love it. I'd sparn it. See, our Kane loves Spar. Every most boxers will be.
SPEAKER_06And it drives me nuts because I love it. He loves it, like he'll stay behind. And like you know, we Jamie Graham down in Clannard.
SPEAKER_10I spared him out a couple of months ago as well. Great kid as well.
SPEAKER_06Jamie looks Jamie loves R. Kane. He's always been good to him since he's been in there, so he's good with him. But he'll let him stay behind and like they'll just body sparn up. But Kane loves it because he's a pronoun, so he thinks he's sparring pros and all anything. He's gonna fucking take your head off. It's all controlled.
SPEAKER_10No, I know it's always a bit of control, especially like some people I know like a lot of people I know would like would take liberties. Yeah. I haven't I never take liberties, even still this damn sparring. Like Pete shoots at me, oh Sean. I take it. Yes. No, he done he shoots me to the battery people.
SPEAKER_06Oh red Pete fucks out of the bottom. You're a good pro, you're not gonna be a big thing. He calls himself a pro. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Pete goes, me Sean, he calls himself a professional boxer. He's six and oh, he's fucking he's happening 99% of the time I spar people middleweight, and and I'm only like uh a light welterweight. I give away a lot of weight. He's like, Sean, see they can get an opportunity in that girl, you're gonna take it.
SPEAKER_09You're gonna take it out.
SPEAKER_10He's like, I think people it's what am I getting there beating someone up? I know they're doing anyway.
SPEAKER_09See see boxers in the gyms if they're if they're bad news in the sense that they're always long to hurt somebody, is that sort of is that frowned upon?
SPEAKER_10There's people no, there's people who just do it, and it's like that's it. And that's I know a few of my teammates who were like that, who were just like going in ahead, beating people up. You love to hurt someone. And they'll they'll like if they are people that like that they're they're trying to knock you out, yeah. And it's like they need that. But at the same time, when you're when you're sparring someone, they're they're always trying to do it in you. But if you know you can't, I'm like,
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SPEAKER_10they're already broke, they actually were sparked. I feel like pe people respect me more for nothing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_10You know what I mean? Or like people would an old instance where seeing people spawn and like a teammate spawn another teammate and one teammate's bothered him and or it's been a good spar, and then next thing, boom, boom, boom, or he'll get tired, one will get tired and the other one's fitter, and he'll just bother him towards the end.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_10And they're like, fuck, I hate sparner, he just fucking doesn't know how to hold back, and I'm like, I know what he's like usually makes battle and someone hold back at me personally. I never want anyone. If someone ho tried to hold back at me, they're gonna go to the ring and say, Come find yourself. I remember sparking Cathy when I was a kid and he hit me an uppercut, and uh Cathy was fucking four years older than me, so I was saying 17, he was 22, and he fucking battery on an uppercut, and I went but I was raising, but I was near crying, you know what I mean at the same time. Yeah, yeah. And Mickey Houghton was like, that's enough, that's enough. And I went, No, it's not. And Mickey was like, It's enough. And me, it's not, so I was cracking up. Mickey was like, get your hair girl off. I mean, no, I want to keep sparring because it was more important to me, even though Cassie was well better me at that stage.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. You were going, I just don't want this to be the last thing that happens in the day.
SPEAKER_10He started fucking, Mikey was like, Right, okay. And so Cassie just started fucking about me, taking it easy, because he was way more mature, he was a senior boxer at that stage. Yeah, but I was trying to and then I I sussed out after say 30, 40 seconds, he was taking it easy with me. And I just went fuck off, take any gloves off. What's the point being smart if I'm not gonna try? Yeah, but he was never really trying. Yeah, he just caught me at rubber cup and I went fuck. But see, that's a learning curve, isn't it? Every day is a school day, like every day. Like now, no one that ever takes it easy on me, Dick, ever. Yeah. Because I'm at that level. No one's ever gonna beat me up, like, yeah. No one's ever gonna beat me up in the spot. I know for a fact, no matter who you are in the world, any fan in the world, at my weight, no one or in around my weight, no one's gonna be able to.
SPEAKER_09Who's your who's your uh who's your historic who's your favourite boxer? Like, who's your sort of who do you look at? That's the like who what boxer you've been gonna go, he was the one for me. He was the one that loved his career, loved his style, loved it.
SPEAKER_10I'd say like Sugar A. Leonard at that era was proper. Like, see when we talk about football, it's like you usually go. Sugar A. Leonard was like someone who lost a good load of fate, a small load of fate, so just loved how he went about it. Like he fought like fighting fucking Marvin Hagler, who was a comfort federal. Like, even the when he when Marvin Hagler knocked out Jeron or something, he stood up, man. I'll beat him.
SPEAKER_03I bet him.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, and and everyone says it's controversial. Marvin Hagler definitely won that fate, but it was it doesn't matter. He done it and he stood up and he fucking fought on it. Yeah, it's brand new, but you watch him. You watch him all day. Flash back moving again. Just for me, stylistically, and and in that time and in boxing was my favourite. Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_09Even the Four Kings documentary. I read the book on all the Four Kings. But the one about Lewis, Ben, Bank, and uh when do you call him Frank Bruno? Oh even that that document, have you seen it? I don't think I have seen that you think you have it, it's a cracker. It's absolutely fantastic. But but even when you look at that era of those British fetters.
SPEAKER_06What do you call it? The one about uh Ali and Foreman. The with the Rumble in the Jungle one.
SPEAKER_09Is that we were hence? That's great. You look at like even Box and the eye and you look at the characters even then, there's something I don't know whether it's because you were younger, but you look at those that era and you go, like it seemed more like there was more superstars, yeah, for want of a better word.
SPEAKER_08Big team. Heck nah, like Box and I, you look at the shape of the show.
SPEAKER_09Everybody's not making it.
SPEAKER_10That's it. Everybody's only way like you were getting back in the day, you were a superstar because you were a superstar. Like for starters, no one had access to you.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Because you were impossible to get in touch with someone because you'd know social media. The only way you would ever get in touch with someone is if you had their fucking mobile number or their headphone number back, especially back in the 80s or 90s, even. But now everyone has social media and they just like everybody's at their own PvP.
SPEAKER_06It's like but it's like it's like seeing now. Like, see if you take your Raymond Moses, he's gonna take over the heavy width of saying he's isn't he the heavy width to take it. I think it's fit that hard. See if it wasn't for social media, like that you like the the ordinary wee fellow that follows a bit of boxing like me, probably wouldn't even heard of him yet because he hasn't had that big name. Do you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_10That big terrestrial TV. You're gonna terrestrial TV that's right.
SPEAKER_06And we're getting into me, you knew about Moses at Tumblr two years ago because he knocked somebody out and did it in 20 seconds or whatever, and then it's all over Instagram. Oh, here's the next fucking tasting or whatever. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_09Looking back, like the biggest, you know, even what Hatton done was unbelievable because he brought a crowd. Did he? Ricky Hatton was a big thing.
SPEAKER_06I loved watching Hatton. He was probably my favourite going up the world.
SPEAKER_10I remember he was my city, and he was my and I was like, I was the only thing I was raised about he supported city.
SPEAKER_09I still think McGee could have finished. Could have been him. Could have been he hit him at one, and I remember it was me and you, or was it me and Joe Devaney? I think it would have been you and Joe and the next minute, Eminem hit him that bump, uh, and Ricky just stopped the weave.
SPEAKER_00And all of a sudden, he just gone, yeah, and he just sort of paused himself.
SPEAKER_09I think he I think Ricky was hurt there. He didn't, he didn't go, he didn't push again, and I remember going to myself, he's done. And I remember I fight it was like because obviously we we we liked Hatton, but obviously MMG been another box here. And I remember at night I was going, I still think to this day he st he he hit him and he definitely had an opportunity. Now again, I'm just sitting watching it, but I remembered thinking in that moment he's gonna be regained.
SPEAKER_10I know I don't have the same sack and round, boom. I was like, he's done it.
SPEAKER_06I remember shitting up for his fights and all that. Loved having so much. Remember Parkell hitting him button? Remember, I thought I thought he was dead. I thought he was dead and party.
SPEAKER_09Obviously, that weight gun up and down. That has to be a bad thing.
SPEAKER_06Dragon Sean of Hill lived like a like a you know what is a fucking normal. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_10But it wasn't
Weight Cuts, Longevity, And Discipline
SPEAKER_10trained, like well, I think the way he came down weight made him a better boxer for a small period of time. But it shortened his career, definitely. Yeah. And it shortened his ability to get better because he had to focus so much on losing weight. We've got to focus on getting better. We couldn't focus on the on the crowd. Every camp was about dramatic. But then he had that power over people because whenever he weighed in, then he would just replenish everything and be much bigger than all his opponents in the ring. So we just outpowered a lot of people until it got to the elite elite where it was five mile there. That's the thing. Yeah. You can be as big as strong as you want, you're not hitting me. Yeah, but it's not a power of shame. Just that elite level, just that actual stat where the weight and the and the size didn't matter against that that style of fit. But overall, if like if you live it, I I personally believe if you live a good money career and look after yourself, you'll prolong it. Absolutely. You'll live a long time. There's loads of examples. Kiketi won his first world title when he was 36. Kiketi could have won his first world title when he was 30. But he just wasn't given the opportunity to get much when he came in and he was 36. And now he's still beating people up.
SPEAKER_09He's still able to do it.
SPEAKER_10But the reason why he's still able to do it is because he's no maze on the clock. Because he doesn't spar.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_10He doesn't spar, he's just he doesn't he doesn't make it. He's one M fair. He'll do a couple of relate spar, so he's not getting hit. He's not picking through punishment and sparring like a lot of people do. So mail? He's fresh off the block, you know what I mean? Well, I don't know. You must be done soon. But he sustained that for longer.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Because he, as I say, he's not taking much punishment. He just hates boxing. And that's why I won't sustain it for longer. That's why he won't stay boxing. It's a hard life. You know what I mean? It's hard life. And and I'm just I train all the time.
SPEAKER_06But you're addicted to trailing. I love trailing at your time.
SPEAKER_10I just love feeling good all the time. I love a swallow too. Don't get me wrong, I love a bit of crow. But I'm a thoroughbred. I don't build like a long cash roll-up. That's me. I'm just I don't have to cut massive weight. But I'm natural I'm one of the biggest in the world at my weight. Yeah. You naturally hang out there. But I'm I only lose a stone to get down to my weight. And I can do that easy. I drop it stone, so you give me six weeks. Well, I drop I would go into about I would go into fight week. The week of my fight I would go in about I boxed at 63 and a half kilos, right? And I walked around about 71, 72. So about nine kilos roughly over just over a stone, right? Fight week I would drop five kilos. Four kilos in fight week. So I only drop say six. I would drop about three kilos. And then the last week dropped four or five. And that's water. And that's easy. That's water attention. It's easy. There's a sanitude, so it's easy done. And then I went to fate, or I weigh in eight but I want to fate brown news back out on the swallow again.
SPEAKER_09It's easy done. So obviously a stone is manageable for you. You could do that in your sleep. That's just rhythm and cause ten pounds.
SPEAKER_10I wouldn't do it. But like 'cause ten pound add stones water. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like a ten pound add stone's water, and that's the last week. Everybody drops the water.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_10So you just you're still keeping that size and just taking it all water. Now you'll be dehydrated for a few days. Alright. And fuck severely dehydrated and starving because you've no carbs in you, no fair in you, no salt, no sugar, and then you're stripping all water out, so that week's tough. But if done it that many times, it's it's not.
SPEAKER_09Your body's not free, isn't it? Yeah. Your body's not free.
SPEAKER_10And then I just replenish it all in a couple of things. Stone tops. Um put a stone on, and again, I most that stone's water. That's me just rehydrating electrolytes, fucking a little salt, load of sugar, a lot of grub, a lot of carbs, and then just a string in the street.
SPEAKER_09It's mad the way you can put on a stone on because obviously you've depleted your body. I depleted it. But if you're sitting on again, I'll put a stone on on 24 hours ago because it's already there, but it's mad the way you can just rehydrate. Essentially rehydrate and have that stone back on. Oh, that's crazy. Madness like different ball game, isn't it?
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SPEAKER_09Yeah, different ball game. Yeah, but have ever have you ever done a one-man show? Have you learned fucking 34 pages of dialogue? After fucking stone. Let's see if it's a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Let's see you get up.
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