S8E14: Co-Creative Transactional Analysis with Graeme Summers & Keith Tudor

Transactional Analysis Podcast

Transactional Analysis Podcast
S8E14: Co-Creative Transactional Analysis with Graeme Summers & Keith Tudor
Apr 24, 2026 Season 8 Episode 14
Matt Taylor & John Fleming

In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts John Fleming and Matt Taylor speak with Graeme Summers and Keith Tudor, the co-developers of Co-Creative Transactional Analysis (TA) and recipients of the 2020 Eric Berne Memorial Award for this contribution to TA. 

In this conversation, they trace the origins of Co-Creative TA - from shared questions in training, to years of tussling over theory, to a framework that has shaped how practitioners across psychotherapy, education, coaching, and organisational work understand the heart of TA.

You'll hear them explore:

  • What Co-Creative TA is and what it is deliberately not
  • The three principles: we-ness, shared responsibility, and present-centred development
  • How social constructivism and field theory informed their re-reading of Berne
  • Why health psychology (psychosanology) matters as much as pathology in TA practice
  • The difference between transactional analysis and transactional design
  • The integrating adult and why Graeme now wants to talk about the ‘disintegrating Adult’ too
  • Why Co-Creative TA is a meta-perspective rather than a school, and what that means for trainees and practitioners

Disclaimer: In this episode, Graeme and Keith are expressing their personal opinions and is not speaking on behalf of any company or organisation.

Guest Information

Keith Tudor

Keith Tudor TSTA(Psychotherapy, CTA(Psychotherapy) is Professor of Psychotherapy  at Auckland University of Technology in Aotearoa New Zealand, where he is also co-Lead of Moana Nui Psychological Therapies Research Group. A Certified and Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst in psychotherapy, Keith has worked in and around TA for over 40 years, with more than 100 publications on TA to his name. He maintains a thriving private practice and works across the TA and person-centred worlds as a therapist, supervisor, trainer, and educator.

Graeme Summers

Graeme Summers is an executive coach who has worked at London Business School for over 21 years, partnering with senior leaders at the intersection of psychology and leadership effectiveness. A co-developer of Co-Creative Transactional Analysis, Graeme is a certified Transactional Analyst (Psychotherapy) who, prior to his coaching career, worked as a TA psychotherapist and served as Director of Training at the Counselling and Psychotherapy Training Institute in Edinburgh.

Link to Website: https://www.co-creativity.com

LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/graemesummers/

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