S6E7: Hospicing Modernity in TA: Questioning How We Learn and Include with Beatrijs Dijkman

Transactional Analysis Podcast

Transactional Analysis Podcast
S6E7: Hospicing Modernity in TA: Questioning How We Learn and Include with Beatrijs Dijkman
Oct 24, 2025 Season 6 Episode 7
Matt Taylor & John Fleming

In this episode of the Transactional Analysis Podcast, hosts James Longwell and Jr-Earn Lam sit down with Beatrijs Dijkman, a Teaching and Supervising Transactional Analyst (TSTA-Education) based in the Netherlands.

Beatrijs shares how her work in the education field and her recent exploration of “hospicing modernity” invite us to question what we teach, how we learn, and invites us to question what aspects of TA we need to update or let go of in the times we live in now.

Their conversation ranges from the personal to the systemic, from Beatrijs’ own experience in TA education and exams to broader reflections on privilege, inequality, and how modernity shapes our professional culture.

You’ll hear them explore:

  • What hospicing modernity means and why Beatrijs believes TA must question what it keeps and lets go of
  • How modern education and qualification systems can unintentionally exclude or privilege certain groups.
  • The tension between TA’s humanistic values and the meritocratic structures within its training and exams.
  • What inclusion really looks like in TA education today
  • An invitation to explore how we might create more equitable spaces for learning.

It’s a thought-provoking and compassionate dialogue that challenges us to look at TA not as a finished canon, but as a living conversation that evolves through questioning, dialogue, and connection.

Guest Information

Since January, Beatrijs has served as co-chair of the PSC (ITAA). Many of her reflections on Transactional Analysis focus on how exams are used and structured within TA pedagogy and training.

Her work is always evolving, with a long-standing involvement in social pedagogy and a deep interest in the role of creativity in learning and development. 

More recently, she has been returning to body and movement work, drawing on her earlier experience as a psychodrama and drama therapist before specialising in TA. 

Website

Connect with Beatrijs on LinkedIn to continue the conversation

Book Mentioned: 

Hospicing Modernity: Facing Humanity’s Wrongs and the Implications for Social Activism by Vanessa Machado de Oliveira

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