6. Community Hero to Convict: The Abdullah Case

In this fiery episode of 'The Lethal Library,' Dani and Stephanie bring you the tale of Azad Abdullah, the man with a murder plan that couldn't have gone more wrong if he tried. In 2002, a house fire in Boise, Idaho, turned out to be the cover-up for a heinous crime. Listen in as we sip cocktails and unravel how Azad's dastardly deeds, from his ridiculous Halloween costume, to hiring a meth-head hitman led to his ultimate downfall. Packed with dark humor and snark, this episode is one you don't want to miss. Cheers to another cocktail-fueled crime story!

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Transcript

Stephanie 0:30

Welcome back to another episode of the lethal library. We're happy if you are still here and listening. We have a really good case for you. According to Dani. if you're new here, this is a true crime podcast. We focus on death row cases in the Pacific Northwest. And we also like to have a cocktail while we do this. So we like to chat about it. Dani does a ton of research, finds a ton of details that we don't usually see put elsewhere, and she's going to tell us about this case.

Dani 1:02

I'm going to be telling you, about Azad Abdullah, he was capitalizing on some unfortunate things happening in America. after 9 11, and, trying to justify his crimes, uh, and, and it's heartbreaking. He, he, it's, it's a heartbreaking story, um, so let's, let's get into it. Let's

Stephanie 1:31

get into this.

Dani 1:33

2002 in Boise, Idaho. On October 5th, the home of Angie and Azad Abdullah was consumed by fire. Angie, 37, and four children were in the home when the fire broke out. Her neighbor, 71 year old Ed Kirchensteiner, yes, did that. Ed had kicked in the door and entered the home to rescue their three week old son, Malik. He struggled through the smoke following the cries of the baby. Another neighbor had joined Ed in the rescue. Brian Wright. Brian had taken the baby from Ed, and Ed re entered the house. Ed was screaming out Angie's name, but was unable to locate her. He had to leave the home due to heavy smoke. He was in there just He

Stephanie 2:26

really tried.

Dani 2:27

A 71 year old, and he was a pastor or a minister of his local church. He was

Stephanie 2:34

And just shouting for her. That is so heartbreaking.

Dani 2:37

And, uh, knew the family well, and knew that there was children In that home, the firefighters later found 19 month old Naeem in the backyard wrapped in a blanket.

Stephanie 2:52

Whoa. Okay.

Dani 2:59

The neighbors had been woken by Angie's 9 year old daughter Alyssa at 2 a. m. She and her friend, who had been staying the night, rang the doorbell. When the neighbors answered, she told them her house was on fire and I've got, quote, I've got to get my mommy out. Oh my god, dude.

Stephanie 3:18

Can you imagine? No, I cannot imagine. At nine? And what a stud Ed

Dani 3:25

is.

Stephanie 3:26

He kicked in the

Dani 3:27

fricking back door. He kicked in the French doors.

Stephanie 3:30

Ed and Brian trying.

Dani 3:33

Stellar neighbors. Let me tell you a little bit about Angie. Angie Abdullah had converted to Islam around 1999 after her first husband had passed away. She was working at the Boise Refuge Center helping refugees get, get settled here. She was drawn to the religion because of their focus on family. She even traveled to Turkey and researched the religion by reading and speaking with others before making her decision to convert. Wow. Yeah, so she, she was, she was in it. She was curious, and to travel over there and, and spend her, she knew, you know, she really wanted to make sure this was the right choice for her, and, and, she really was happy with, with that religion, yeah.

Stephanie 4:21

Well, and she clearly worked a lot in the community. There's a huge refugee population from all over in Idaho, so that's really cool that she also is giving back to the community. Yeah.

Dani 4:32

Yeah, and then to travel over there and not just speak to the refugees that are here, but also speak to people that are, you know, practicing that religion in other parts of the world to get a better rounded understanding about it. Angie and her husband, Azad Abdullah, were very, very prominent in the Muslim community here.

Stephanie 4:55

Really?

Dani 4:57

So much so that they had spoken with the Boise Airport officers after 9 11. Sensitivity training that was requested by the airport police chief. The couple went and shared their experiences after 9 11 and, and spoke with the airport police about what was appropriate, what was, okay for them to, how to search a woman appropriately, meaning like she could remove her head, her head, wrap if requested, head dress if they requested, but her husband needed to be present and just to be, you know, just to understand that that's how that religion is. And so it was a really good thing. and they were, awarded the spirit of Idaho award by Senator Mike Crapo, in the spring of 2002 for just teaching the community about their religion.

Stephanie 5:56

Well, and I'm sure you and I remember well, I mean around here and all across the country, it was not a fun environment at all for anyone who even appeared to be, following the Muslim religion or wearing like a hijab or anything that looked like that. There was cases everywhere of people just being disrespected and discriminated against a lot of

Dani 6:22

discrimination for that after 9 11 Yeah, there was a lot of fear and Really, and I believe unfounded fear. It was just all directed So I think it's awesome that they They were trying to do

Stephanie 6:37

their part. Right.

Dani 6:37

Trying to do their part so everybody could understand. Because if I was, if something in my religion was not okay, and I was being asked by the police to do something, I would have a really, how disrespectful. Like, So I think it's good, they're just teaching, especially, you know, the airport, they're seeing all different kinds of people coming in and out, how to be respectful of people. So, kudos to them.

Stephanie 7:05

Yeah, 100%.

Dani 7:07

Well, fuck Abdullah.

Stephanie 7:09

For a while, kudos. And clearly, I know this is going a place. So kudos to Angie. good job, Angie.

Dani 7:17

investigators believe the fire started in the garage. The home was 90 percent consumed when the fire crews arrived. A friend of the family. Yeah, it was done. a friend of the family, Farquan Mahmood, said Angie's bedroom was close to the back door of the home. He didn't understand why she didn't get out of the fire. He's like, her bedroom was in the back, she could have easily gotten out. Uh, Farquan said that he could not think of another woman who had done more for the Muslim community here in Boise.

Stephanie 7:53

Oh, my God.

Dani 7:55

He also stated, like I said, like it would have been easy for Angie to leave through the back door, but she was probably looking for her Children.

Stephanie 8:03

Well, now that kind of makes a little bit more sense with maybe the baby to me. Now I'm thinking maybe she tried to put the baby out and go back in. I'm just spiraling on this.

Dani 8:15

He and his family had had dinner with Angie and her Children on Thursday, just two nights before the fire. Angie's husband, Azad Abdullah, was out of town to Salt Lake City, Utah. He and his five year old son, Radir, made the trip to purchase kosher meat. So, I'm telling you, 25 years ago, they were not finding any kosher meat. Oh,

Stephanie 8:37

no. Here. No.

Dani 8:39

So, it's very reasonable, that they would have to drive five hours away.

Stephanie 8:45

Wow.

Dani 8:46

To go get some, to go buy, kosher meat. The police were calling the fire suspicious. And there's things that they're saying is suspicious, but wasn't released to the public why they thought it was suspicious.

Stephanie 8:59

Sure. Because a lot of times they don't release all the details because that helps them know if someone confesses, if they really did it, or just if someone knows a certain detail that was never released and they said they weren't there. It's a good way to catch them

Dani 9:14

and they will. The fire was only one week after someone threw two bricks through the windows of the Boise Islamic Center. And Farquan, the center's education director received a threatening call just the day before the fire. Other threats were made at the mosque where a man yelled racial slurs as they were leaving prayer service. Police are not ruling out a hate crime. Within a few days of the incident, the police announced someone had murdered Angie before setting the house on fire, trying to conceal the crime.

Stephanie 9:53

Oh my gosh.

Dani 9:55

So they're two days out, they're like, uh, nope, this isn't right. She did not smoke, because at first they thought it was smoke inhalation. Right. Um, there were reports that they thought that she had succumbed to the smoke inhalation looking for her children. Right. Which absolutely would make sense. She's a devoted mother But within a couple of days her body

Stephanie 10:18

told the truth.

Dani 10:19

The body Absolutely told the truth. Police chief Schnebly I do

Stephanie 10:25

like that name.

Dani 10:27

Stated that Angie was killed in In a bedroom, but it was not her bedroom. It was one of the children's bedroom that her body was found in. There were no signs of forced entry or a struggle. Investigators had determined that gas was used as an accelerant in the garage and a gas can was found in the home's driveway. Sus.

Stephanie 10:51

Oopsie. I feel like, what, no matter who's committing the crime, they'd probably take that with you if you're got your wits about ya, but anyway.

Dani 11:00

Some people apparently don't have their murdering wits about them.

Stephanie 11:04

No, not at all.

Dani 11:07

And the police determined that no evidence had been linked to the previous threats. Made to the Islamic Center. So they, they looked at all that and was like, no, no, this is not panning out. Oh, and there's a gas can in the driveway.

Stephanie 11:23

Well, and I'm sure that there were threats. Like, I remember that time and I think I remember hearing about the bricks and stuff now that you've said it. I feel like I remember hearing about that.

Dani 11:32

Oh, I'm not saying that those things didn't happen. I, they absolutely were happening. Unfortunately. The climate was

Stephanie 11:39

out of

Dani 11:40

control. Yeah, the Yes, a lot of unfortunate discrimination, um, going on. And so, at first glance, seems reasonable. It

Stephanie 11:51

does.

Dani 11:51

It does seem like that would be a possibility. Abdullah declined to comment on his wife's death, but released a statement stating that, quote, Angie was a great mother, a great wife, a great American, and a great Muslim. He asked for privacy, but appreciated the love and support from the community. He said, quote, For the person or persons responsible for my wife's murder, I hope that I and my children witness your fate in this life.

Stephanie 12:24

Which all sounds very much like, a devoted husband putting together a statement that is trying to be calm and professional, yet also A loving husband should also be like, we're going to find out who did this.

Dani 12:40

We're going to get you. And I hope you're miserable.

Stephanie 12:42

So all seeming somewhat on the outside, like this is what that could be.

Dani 12:49

The police brought Abdullah in to interview him. The police requested the 25 year olds DNA sample and to examine his body. Abdullah stated he was in Utah when the fire occurred, but the police have been unable to confirm his alibi. They told him, they are trying to exclude him. And this was just a routine procedure. I just have to say my two cents here. Tell me. Do not talk to the cops. I mean, in this case, it's good, but still, if a police person tells me it's a routine procedure, I'm like, you're a fat mouth.

Stephanie 13:28

And there's millions of cases that show that that's true. Right. Right.

Dani 13:32

Right.

Stephanie 13:33

Yeah.

Dani 13:33

witnesses Abdullah in Salt Lake City, Saturday afternoon, but the police can't confirm if he was there on Saturday morning. Friends stated that Abdullah had left the Boise area on Friday. So just to kind of give you, for people who aren't familiar with this area, it's a five and a half, six hour drive. Yeah. From Boise to Salt Lake. Yeah, I'd say. Maybe even shorter if you're hitting those prime 80 mile an hour stretches across the desert. If you've got a little bit of a lead foot, you could cut some minutes off that for sure. Yeah, well, we do a solid 85. Well, and it is the speed limit is 80. So it's like a smidge over. 84 and a half officer. two weeks, about two weeks later on October 18th, Abdullah was arrested on charges of first degree murder, arson, and attempted murder. Oof. Remember, there was four children in that house. Yeah. So he One wasn't even his. It was his daughter's friend. Well, his stepdaughter's friend.

Stephanie 14:38

Okay, thank you for clearing that up because I, I remembered you saying that his son went with him.

Dani 14:44

So they, Angie and Abdullah had, there was four children between them. Alyssa, the nine year old, was hers from a previous marriage before her husband passed. He had a five year old son, Reardon, that had went to Salt Lake. They had a 19 month old son. and a three week old son. Oh my gosh. Okay, so, but the reason there was four children in the house is because Alyssa Because it's a

Stephanie 15:10

friend. on

Dani 15:11

a,

Stephanie 15:12

on a Friday night had a friend stay the night. And I think you said that, but I just needed that recap. But it just, it's a lot

Dani 15:17

to, so I think it was a good clarifying point just to kind of lay the children out. during the investigation, they discover receipts. Receipts? Literally. Children with receipts. Literal receipts. One month before Angie died, she had met with an attorney to discuss a divorce. She also had hired a private investigator in 2000 to follow Abdullah because she believed he was having an affair. Angie had told the attorney she feared her husband would try to take the children out of the country if she asked him for a divorce.

Stephanie 15:54

Which is a very real fear. It's a

Dani 15:56

very scary thing. I was like, oh, yeah, that is definitely a thing. I have, I remember seeing cases about that.

Stephanie 16:05

a really popular one is Jonas and is it Sophie Turner? Yes. So there's, I mean, that's of course a very rich and famous couple, but now they have to split custody. Over the Atlantic Ocean.

Dani 16:22

Mm hmm.

Stephanie 16:23

I mean, sometimes it's tough getting your kid to your spouse's house the next town over. Could you imagine? Yeah, so it's A very real fear. Yeah, a real threat. Or disappearing in the other country.

Dani 16:38

And just, because people will Because, you know, she was from America, probably bad, whatever story that he had decided to tell his family and friends and they would have just hid them, gone. So, a real, a

Stephanie 16:53

real fear. Of course. A real fear. So, she was already planning and with a private investigator, I'm proud of her for making that leap because,

Dani 17:02

A lot of women don't and they'll just sit there and consume themselves with doubt and worry and worry and like oh, no Oh, maybe oh, no Yeah, and so have a

Stephanie 17:15

professional get it done Absolutely That's their job. Stimulate the local economy, folks.

Dani 17:23

Get a PI. So, Abdullah is, this is his alibi to the police. Okay. He said he left the Boise area on Friday and arrived in Salt Lake around 4 in the afternoon along with his son, Radir.

Stephanie 17:44

Okay.

Dani 17:45

He checked into his motel, went to a local mosque to pray, purchased some gas, Drove around Salt Lake for about 90 minutes and then returned to his hotel. He stated he was in bed by 9 9 30 and woke up the next morning around 7. The police said Abdullah did leave the Boise area on Friday. They concur. Cool. And arrived in Salt Lake in the afternoon. They also agreed. He checked in, when he checked into a motel, a witness saw Abdullah with a small boy. His son, a woman, and a small girl. Interesting. After he checked in, credit card receipts showed he purchased a Dracula cape and an Undertaker mask at the local costume store.

Stephanie 18:38

I mean, we're, we're around Halloween, but why are we purchasing this there? Mmmmm. This is suspicious. This is suspicious.

Dani 18:51

Uh huh. He then purchased two gas cans from another store. Uh huh. I love that you left that part for the last. Okay. Cliffhanger. around 8 o'clock on Friday night, Abdullah bought 22. 8 gallons of gas. The police noted that his vehicle only had a 20 gallon gas tank. Where's the gas going? Are we in a

Stephanie 19:16

gas fight? Like, um Probably in those brand new gas cans he bought. Shiny. Ready, ready for

Dani 19:23

gas anytime. Another witness saw Abdullah in Mountain Home, Idaho around 12. 30am, Saturday morning. Mmm. Mmm. And just to give you an idea, Mountain Home is probably 25, 30 minute drive, 35 maybe? From Boise.

Stephanie 19:40

If the traffic's good, yeah. I mean, depending on where in Mountain Home, but yeah, you could do it. I'm telling you, this was a stage stop. I'm telling you. That's like the most popular. It's the stage

Dani 19:53

stop. Okay, I'm assuming. It was at

Stephanie 19:56

the stage stop. We don't know for a fact, but we know.

Dani 19:59

Cause that's where everybody stops to get gas! Yeah. so he was not, he was sighted not far out of Boise. A little short commute. Yeah. At 1230am.

Stephanie 20:10

Cause there's nothing but a quick, there's not many towns between. So the freeway is just, it's the 80 mile an hour. It's fucking desert. Zoom, zoom, zoom. Desert and sagebrush, baby. And a solar farm now, but.

Dani 20:24

Yes there is. And the um, uh.

Stephanie 20:28

Wind farms.

Dani 20:30

There, there's the wind farms, but there's the, the, the dump out there.

Stephanie 20:35

I don't even know about that.

Dani 20:36

Really? There's a dump out there.

Stephanie 20:38

So, as you can see, a very scenic drive. Not really. It's one of the, one of the most boring drives you can have in Idaho. I know that, especially if someone's driving. Some of y'all aren't from here, you might not know, but it's a dull, dull drive. A lot of people take this route to go to Jackpot, which is in Nevada, in the closest gambling town. And it is a dull drive, so, but it's quick, because you can go 80 or 85,

Dani 21:06

if you're feeling 84 and a half, officer. Yeah. We have a lot of beautiful country in this state.

Stephanie 21:13

That ain't it. That's not part of it. Mm mm. Nope. It's not. It's, it's a point A to point B situation. For sure.

Dani 21:21

He was seen in Salt Lake around 7 a. m. Saturday morning. So he was seen in Mountain Home, Idaho at 1230 a. m. on Saturday morning. Early, early. Early, early. And then back. But he was also seen in in Salt Lake City again at 7 o'clock on Saturday morning, which is Definitely enough time. It's definitely enough time. So

Stephanie 21:46

interesting,

Dani 21:49

he purchased some more gas around 11 a. m. In Salt Lake. He's big gas bill He and his son flew back to Idaho after learning about the fire because family and friends told him he should not drive back You know You just learned that your wife has passed away, your house is burned down, we do not want you driving while you're upset with your son.

Stephanie 22:11

One, unbeknownst to them, he was probably already very tired from the cross interstate trip that has been going on. Exactly.

Dani 22:21

But I mean it makes sense, like his friends and family are like, do not drive back, just get on the soonest plane, just go. Even though it's a five, probably took more time to get through the plane. You know, airport. But still, he should not have been driving his child upset. relax. Yeah, meanwhile we have four Four children without any parent because he's been arrested at this point. So there's four children that have no parent Alyssa's Angie's nine year old daughter From her previous marriage was with Angie's mother. Like that was one and done. Abdullah's five year old son from a previous marriage and the couple's two small sons are in state custody. The Health and Welfare Department stated the goal was to place the boys in the care of Abdullah's parents. This was in the paper. Health and Welfare made a statement. To this fact, Meanwhile, Dua has been arrested for her murder. Mm hmm. I don't understand why Health and Welfare would be like, but we're gonna place all the boys with his family. Okay, the five year old that was from his previous marriage. Yeah. I could, okay, that has nothing to do. Even though Angie had been a stepmom and you know, he knew the family here. I get legally, but the two other boys the two youngest ones One to be still in state custody when there's family fighting for them,

Stephanie 23:53

right? And I'm sure that this was a tough one for them because, him having one that wasn't Angie's and then them having two together. I know that they always do, or they say that they try to keep kids together, but I can understand how it would be hard having one that wasn't Angie's actual son going to her mom, just because you don't know how all of that situation played out, but I can't imagine just giving them all to his parents, or like, just waiting, especially if a flight risk is a danger, I feel like that is an important factor here. So, this is. And I don't know how I would, if someone tried to put this decision up to me, I don't know.

Dani 24:35

And I also think that, this was never stated anywhere, but I also think that possibly they were taking the religion into account because Angie's family was not Muslim. Yeah. And so they were thinking maybe, I mean, I'm just trying to give it, No, that makes sense. I'm just trying to be gracious. If that's how the

Stephanie 24:51

boys are being raised and, But I'm still

Dani 24:54

telling you this is bullshit because you know why? Tell me why. Well, Angie's family was completely outraged and made it publicly known that they were appalled by the department's statement. They were just like, how could you put this in the fucking paper? Like we're trying to get these kids, like, we're trying to work this out as a family. We're trying to figure

Stephanie 25:15

things out for the, like, what are we doing with these kids? Our

Dani 25:18

sister, our daughter is dead. We're trying, these kids are hers, a three week old baby?

Stephanie 25:25

Yes. I can't believe that she was so. Newly postpartum that is so tragic.

Dani 25:34

It'll take nearly three years for the relatives to gain custody of Angie's two younger sons

Stephanie 25:40

Really?

Dani 25:43

Asinine three fucking years. Yeah, they made statements like I Believe it was Angie's cousin that ended up getting custody of these these boys And you know, she's just like it shouldn't have taken this long. Like they were with great foster parents

Stephanie 26:03

Thank goodness, because we know

Dani 26:04

how hard it can be. They were great people, but why should it take three? Their father is in jail for murdering a family member. Why are those boys in state custody in foster care? Three years. Three fucking years. It's too much.

Stephanie 26:24

That's way too much.

Dani 26:25

Too much fucking red tape. Get your shit together, Health and Welfare. It pisses me off when I

Stephanie 26:30

read that. Health and Welfare either does way too much in the wrong circumstances. Or does completely not enough in the correct circumstances. And I know it's not always. But these are the things that we hear and see and, It's just, this is one of those things where when you get it wrong, it's so incredibly impactful to so many people, children, relatives, parents. When you get it wrong, it's just a, like a ton of bricks.

Dani 27:08

Well, and when I was researching this, I'm like, I see all this stuff going back and forth, you know, on, on this foster care and I see all this stuff and I'm like, I don't I'm like, well, surely I'm gonna, I'm gonna come up on something where there's some resolution for these children.

Stephanie 27:26

Mm hmm.

Dani 27:27

I was appalled for it to come up three years later. That's a very long time. So, anyway, I was like, what happened to the, like, am I gonna Where are these kids? Yeah, I'm like, am I gonna have to do a way deep, deep, like, deep dive and, and see what I can find? And then all of a sudden it was there three years later in an article. I That they finally got, her family finally got those kids. Anyways, so rant over. It pissed me off.

Stephanie 27:57

It pisses me off too. And there's great

Dani 27:59

foster parents and all this stuff. If a family, a blood family, anyway, I'm going to stop. That has a relationship, no, 100%. They should have got those kids ASAP. They should have been like, let's come over and look at your house, let's do a check. Oh, your house is clean and you have food and you're good people, yeah. You can have these children.

Stephanie 28:19

This is awful.

Dani 28:21

well, we, we're in 2004. Two years later, right? Yeah. finally. Justice system is taking its time on this one. So two years later, on September 27th in 2004, the trial finally begins. Abdullah is facing a possible death sentence. The prosecutors claim Abdullah gave Angie a lethal dose of Prozac and then suffocated her. Fun fact, I didn't even think you could overdose on Prozac. I did

Stephanie 28:51

not know that. I

Dani 28:52

really had no idea.

Stephanie 28:53

Maybe it just inebriated her or incapacitated her enough to then smother. That is, I don't, you don't hear that one often folks.

Dani 29:05

prosecutors also said that Abdullah stood to benefit financially from the fire by collection of the insurance money and he had planned to leave the country. That's weird. Angie already knew that. Women are so intuitive. She knew. She, ugh, she, she. And she had already

Stephanie 29:23

taken so many actions because she knew.

Dani 29:27

She knew. Intuition. Women's intuition.

Stephanie 29:30

Don't doubt it.

Dani 29:32

just two months before the fire, he had taken out an insurance policy on some vending machines in his garage for 50, 000. He's like,

Stephanie 29:40

actually, I could also get, not just the wife, but these vending machines are guaranteed. Yeah, let's go. Let's up this insurance on these vending machines. How callous and just weird, dude.

Dani 29:54

Well, let me just tell you what even makes it more weird. Most of the time, when you purchase extra insurance on things that your household insurance does not cover, i. e. your fridge, your clothes, like your personal, standard norm, vending machines would be way outside of that line, right? Oh, for sure. Uh, your, your jewelry is way outside, most of the time is outside of those lines. Those are, so those are things that you would place on a, on a policy that's just for those items. And it's usually for theft and fire. Yeah. And some other, some other causes. But this, this one was just for fire.

Stephanie 30:37

You're joking. No. And Dani is the insurance queen over here, so she knows about these things and the policies.

Dani 30:46

So he's like, no, uh, Mr. Insurance man, I only need this policy

Stephanie 30:53

if they burn. If someone steals it, I mean, props to them. I'm okay with that. They got me. They got me. They caught me slipping. But if my house burns, which is so rare.

Dani 31:05

I want paid for those, motherfucker.

Stephanie 31:07

But yeah, if someone steals them, then that's, that's probably my fault. Probably.

Dani 31:11

I left the garage open.

Stephanie 31:14

I left my gas can out front.

Dani 31:15

Whoops. So, it's a very weird policy to have, most of the time you get it, most of the time you're concerned for theft. Mm hmm. And I think vending machines would be hard to lift, but you're thinking like theft of jewelry, theft of guns, like some of those big ticket items that your normal household uh, homeowner's insurance doesn't cover, but now he's like, no, no, no.

Stephanie 31:40

Only if it burns.

Dani 31:41

Only if it burns. Thank you. So, it's proving that he was a cheapskate as well. Yeah. I'm sorry. Don't be suspicious. Don't

Stephanie 31:52

budget your murder plot. Like, I'm not trying to give advice to people. I hope you guys understand that when I say shit like this. Is like, I'm not trying to tell you how to do it. It's just so flabbergasting. My flabbers are gasted. That someone will be like, I'm so smart. Let's take out an extra insurance policy only for fire. And for vending machines where he's like, this is this is where I'm gonna get my cash. This is, this is the the big ticket for me. Stop it.

Dani 32:27

Even the insurance agent was like, the insurance agent was like, thought it was a little weird, but Okay, are you sure you don't want that? They need

Stephanie 32:36

to be mandatory reporters.

Dani 32:38

I'm not sure. Truly.

Stephanie 32:41

This is immediately a red flag.

Dani 32:43

I mean, the whole point of an insurance guy is to sell. He is a salesman, don't get it wrong.

Stephanie 32:49

Tell him, Dani.

Dani 32:50

Um, but, he did, he even got up, this poor guy, he's like, I thought I was strange. He probably feels like an ass. But, what do you

Stephanie 32:59

do? I, this is something where you can't really, like, You would never imagine,

Dani 33:05

you would never, this is, if somebody come in and was like, Like, wanting to buy, I don't even know how this would, but somebody wanted to buy insurance. I wouldn't question them about it. That's not, that's not. My job, my job is to make sure that you have appropriate coverage. Yeah. And you know, maybe I could, honestly, I could see this

Stephanie 33:25

like.

Dani 33:27

Who's gonna

Stephanie 33:27

steal a Atari machine?

Dani 33:29

Exactly. The snack machine.

Stephanie 33:34

Who's stealing that? Tell that to my grandpa who they stole his side by side that was not on a trailer out of his garage. They'll find a way. But, and a safe. I mean, they'll find a way. Where there's a

Dani 33:48

will, those damn criminals.

Stephanie 33:51

Well,

Dani 33:51

there's

Stephanie 33:51

a will, there's a way. It's like they always only think halfway or for the majority of the time. They're like, they have some concepts of a plan and then they, sorry, it's like this looks good.

Dani 34:06

you want a break?

Stephanie 34:07

I think so. I need to refill anyway. I

Dani 34:09

know. We've refreshed. Cheers. Vodka, vodka. Dingle, dingle. I saw, I saw, I have to fucking tell you this, I saw, I saw a tiktok and it said a DJ's worst nightmare. Some drunk girl was up dancing on the DJ thing and pulled all of his equipment over, her fucking drunk ass pulled it all over. I'd never go out

Stephanie 34:50

again. I'd become a nun.

Dani 34:53

That's Prosecutors claimed Abdullah had told a friend that he was moving to South Africa and had urged Angie to put their home on the market just days before the fire. And he did. He really, they had a real estate friend, there was no contract signed and the friend testified, um, that it wasn't ethical but very common to go ahead and just put that for sale sign out in the yard without a contract. Mmm. Then you know, well, especially if you're friends, I'd be like, you know, just do

Stephanie 35:33

it

Dani 35:33

we're gonna sell and Angie was like We're not selling.

Stephanie 35:38

Oh

Dani 35:39

So there's some contention there,

Stephanie 35:41

especially with her the month prior being like Something's fishy. and also the extra woman. Who is she is what I'm excited to find out.

Dani 35:54

You're gonna be disappointed.

Stephanie 35:56

Okay. I hope you're ready for nothing.

Dani 36:04

The defense is claiming Angie may have committed suicide or died from an accidental overdose.

Stephanie 36:12

Bullshit. Women don't choose Prozac as their overdose.

Dani 36:16

I was a three week old baby. Shut the fuck, shut the fuck up.

Stephanie 36:21

I know postpartum is a thing but if she already, if we've already got the receipts for the private investigator and the thinking that there's an affair. And she

Dani 36:29

wasn't depressed. She was probably stressed out because she knew her husband was a fucking dirtbag. But she was still very involved in her community. She just went over to family friends and had dinner.

Stephanie 36:42

Yeah,

Dani 36:42

her daughter was having a friend's birthday. friends day, the night there was no, there was no, I'm just saying, when I'm not feeling, up to par mentally, there's no

Stephanie 36:53

guess. We're not having the friends over. We're not

Dani 36:56

having friends over, kiddo. I'm not

Stephanie 36:57

going to a neighbor dinner. No. I am being a hermit recluse. You won't hear from me.

Dani 37:05

Fuck that defense. Fuck that defense. I just hate when they cop out like that and try to make somebody Something that they absolutely were not. Absolutely. I do not. Very frustrating. Do not believe that that was the case at all. No. I think she was nervous and scared and knew that this dirty motherfucker was going to try to steal her children, and had been sleeping with God knows who. And, that is so, right, like, their religion, like, you're

Stephanie 37:33

No, that's not okay. It's a

Dani 37:35

bad no no for Uh, to have an affair. Yes?

Stephanie 37:39

A hundred percent.

Dani 37:40

It's like totally I'm not

Stephanie 37:42

an expert, but I know a bit. And it's not like it's okay.

Dani 37:46

divorce. Like he's gonna steal my children. I know that had to be your biggest fear. I just know it. Yes, Divorce is a big deal.

Stephanie 37:58

Yes. On the first day of

Dani 38:00

the trial, Angie's 11 year old daughter testified. So she was nine at the time of the fire. The evening of the fire, she and her friend had been watching movies and fell asleep around midnight. Don't you remember that? Like, dude, come stay the night. Mom's like, just pass out in the front room, watch movies. Yeah, have your little time. Alyssa said her mom went to sleep in her bedroom. She watched her mom go to bed. they heard the phone ring around midnight and Angie had answered it. Melissa stated that her and her friend had woke up surrounded by fire and that they had to run out through the garage because the whole house was engulfed in flames. How scary. Fireman testified that they found Angie's body in one of the children's bedroom. She was badly burnt, face down on the bed. And another stated he had found a black cape near the driveway.

Stephanie 39:03

Oh.

Dani 39:04

And put it in the fire truck. And this fireman thought that maybe somebody had dropped it out of, like, he really didn't think of it as evidence at that time. This is crazy. Like, this should not be here. So maybe one of my dudes had it.

Stephanie 39:21

And it is around Halloween, so you're like, maybe some kid lost their little cape or whatever. Good for him for keeping it at least and being like, God, this is not right.

Dani 39:33

Abdullah tried to get a friend to help mislead the investigation. Mokhtar Bah told the jury Abdullah had called him and asked if he would call the leader of the mosque in Salt Lake City To put into two new gas tanks in his abandoned car because remember he had left his vehicle in Salt Lake.

Stephanie 39:54

Uh huh

Dani 39:56

Mok Tar Ba refused to help when this all happened, it was a lot of detail. It was like, okay, go tell your friend, the leader of this mosque, to go buy two new gas cans and then fill them with gas and then dump out the gas and then place them in my car.

Stephanie 40:21

grasping at straws and Trying to strategize after the game is already over.

Dani 40:27

Yes, he's like, Oh,

Stephanie 40:29

shit! I did leave that gas can in the driveway.

Dani 40:34

What the fuck happened to the cape?! Son of a bitch! Where is that gush darn cape? Failed, fucker. You failed. Stop being a dipshit. You were not prepared. And I just, really, can we just go back to that for a second? What did, was he like doing like this alter ego for him? Why was he needing to get a, a cape? I think that that would have been a hindrance starting a fire. Oh, oh, shit, oh, wait, oh, matches, wait. Oh, I've got to put my,

Stephanie 41:13

Maybe he was trying to, here's my thoughts, because I feel like this could go a million different ways. Is he trying to disguise himself as an early trick or treater menace from the neighborhood? I'm a child, I'm lighting a fire. I don't think it was that smart. I don't think so either. Or did it accidentally fall out when he was hurriedly trying to do this and get back to Salt Lake for his alibi and he had a whoopsie? I think he was fucking wearing them. Then that would even be more dipshittery. Because. That's

Dani 41:51

what I'm saying. He, he's a fucking idiot. It was like some alter ego. I'm gonna hide my. It's one thing to wear a mask. Okay. A

Stephanie 42:02

cape? Even in superhero movies they say don't. We don't do the cape really. We don't do capes. It's not our, it's not the way.

Dani 42:09

I, I would just. It's. It's. I mean, I have started a few fires in my life. Not

Stephanie 42:17

arson. Not arson.

Dani 42:19

You

Stephanie 42:23

know, I did a few arsons.

Dani 42:24

I've started a few fires. Camp fires. At the cabin, I've started a few fires. I would not want the hindrance of a cape wrapped around my body while I am pouring gas. And I don't even use gasoline. Jesus Christ.

Stephanie 42:41

Poof. If you want your eyebrows, Ladies, protect the brows.

Dani 42:50

This was a well thought out plan. I'm, well, well thought out plan. I'm gonna go get an undertaker mask and a cape. Nobody will know it's me. I'm in disguise. Jesus. Abdullah claimed he threw the newly purchased gas cans away when his son complained about the smell. Actually, I, that's a very, that's a good excuse. It's a very good excuse. Cause we've all smelled, go down and get a little gas for the lawnmower. Yeah, or if you've

Stephanie 43:22

got a toy hauler, the smell always gets into the main.

Dani 43:26

It's disgusting. So, good call, but, oh, I left one in the driveway. Fuck! I forgot my gas can! Dammit! Where's the cape? Uh huh. Receipts, the prosecution has them. For the gas can, for the costume. The owner of the store where the cape was purchased testified she remembered Abdullah because he had negotiated a discount.

Stephanie 43:58

Oh, we don't cause a scene.

Dani 44:01

We don't, we, we do a

Stephanie 44:03

regular, un, we do a regular forgettable transaction. What were we thinking here? Not very demure. Would you take 14. 99? She's like, uh, at a retail store as well, like, you don't get discounts at a retail store. Like, listen, I'm one, I'm one for haggling and for a bargain, but my grandmother used to make me do this at yard sales where they'd have like a, I remember a specific, a journal, an unused journal that I was like, I'd love a journal, a cute little notebook, um, and it was marked at like 60 cents or something. And she's like, Offer him a nickel. And she had my little like coin purse That had my yard sale money in it so that I could make my little like toy purchases or whatever And she held it and she gave me a nickel and was like, yeah, take it up there. This is all I have no this and so i'm like Grandma, I mean We're being a little excessive here, but I have a dollar

Dani 45:11

79. I can definitely afford the 60 cents

Stephanie 45:15

I did get it for the nickel though, so she was overall right, but you don't do that at a retail store because they're like, I don't make, I don't, I just work here. This is a Wendy's, ma'am.

Dani 45:28

I'm gonna try to, I should have haggled for my panda today.

Stephanie 45:32

Hey, I know DoorDash, you're here for 14, but I will give you six. I'm gonna try to, I should have haggled for my panda today, but I will give you six. It just doesn't work that way, but remember me now, bitch. Should not have made it a memorable experience, you dickwad.

Dani 45:51

Although not disclosed to the jury, Adula did admit to having an affair. How was it not disclosed to the jury? The jury was taken out. They discussed it because

Stephanie 46:06

It's one of those things that could complicate a trial based on whatever factor. And I'm all about

Dani 46:11

that. If something I shouldn't say as silly as an affair. That was not, I, I really don't believe that was his motivation. You're gonna hear his motivation. Okay. Yeah, the hotel employee in Salt Lake testified that Abdullah had a woman with him when he checked in. So they did hear that testimony, right? But. So they

Stephanie 46:32

know.

Dani 46:32

They know. Angie's autopsy also showed the remnants of a plastic bag on her face and around her neck.

Stephanie 46:39

No.

Dani 46:40

Yeah, that's how that shit went down. He thought it was

Stephanie 46:43

gonna all be burnt up. Plastic doesn't burn well. Bodies don't burn well. No, they don't. You gotta have an incredibly high temperature for that. He's not watching Dateline. Sir, if you would have ever had Talk to Keith Morrison about it, because you're being a dumbass.

Dani 47:03

Dumbass!

Stephanie 47:04

I'm taking the dog! Sorry.

Dani 47:08

It's just, I shouldn't laugh. It really isn't

Stephanie 47:10

funny, but it's just like He's so

Dani 47:12

stupid, like, does he really think that the whole It's gonna burn a whole body? People burn bodies for days and they don't disappear. It's just not happening. The autopsy also showed the fatal dose of Prozac was administered between 10 p. m. and midnight on the Friday night before the fire.

Stephanie 47:31

Interesting.

Dani 47:32

And there was no evidence of capsules in her stomach.

Stephanie 47:36

Oh, because now you really fucked up. Now you've really fucked up. I mean, that one, that one I don't know if I would have thought about that, so. That's probably the only fucking smart thing he did. But, I don't think it was smart. I think it was for ease. If it was a capsule with a powder, it was probably put in a drink or something. So it wasn't for smartness. It was for convenience.

Dani 48:02

It was likely administered by putting it in a drink. That's what they said. That's why I was giggling at you. We

Stephanie 48:09

can't even give him any props. And listen, no props are going to be given, but these idiots, it just blows your mind.

Dani 48:19

Like, did they, did he think, oh, well, they might not see that she swallowed 15, no, she didn't. There was, you know, that little gel covering, it sits.

Stephanie 48:31

Mm hmm. It should still be a while to

Dani 48:34

process. Yeah, so the prosecution said it was likely Administered by putting it in a drink when the police arrested Abdullah burnt hair was removed from both of his arms.

Stephanie 48:49

Oh So you kept your eyebrows, but lost your arm hair Interesting

Dani 48:56

a forensic scientist mask.

Stephanie 48:58

That's why the mask

Dani 49:01

Protected his eyebrows Forensic scientists testified the hare had been exposed to a temperature of at least 347 degrees.

Stephanie 49:11

That's Pacific.

Dani 49:12

So fucking Pacific.

Stephanie 49:15

Not Atlantic.

Dani 49:17

Specific. Did I say that fucking? You said Pacific.

Stephanie 49:22

It's very Pacific, folks. It's very Pacific. Pacificly, 347 degrees.

Dani 49:28

Degrass. That's okay. I was very passionate about it, and so it can be Pacificly done.

Stephanie 49:37

Pacificly, it was 347 degrees, folks.

Dani 49:40

Oh, Lord. I, I don't have this written down, but he was making some excuse that he like shaved his arms or some bullshit. With

Stephanie 49:50

fire? Everyone knows what burnt hair looks, smells, and feels like. And if you don't, props, but.

Dani 50:02

alright, well back to the, the trial here. There, gentleman, Stephen Bankhead, he's an inmate at the Idaho State Prison. He contacted the police in 2003. He testified while Abdullah was teaching a class on Islam at the prison in 2000. They met. Because remember, these guys were, they were very prominent figures. Yes, and they were out there supporting the community that we had here. And it

Stephanie 50:41

was truly needed, given the climate. It absolutely

Dani 50:44

was. And so, you know, these guys were out here, Angie and Shithead were out here. But he's

Stephanie 50:51

slipping back into that role in prison, which is very interesting to me.

Dani 50:58

So, before Angie died, Right, he was out there. They were doing their thing in the community, for Islam, and, and, he had met Stephen Bankhead while he was teaching a class, out at the Idaho State Prison. Angie was six months pregnant when Abdullah asked Bankhead to drug and kill his wife.

Stephanie 51:24

I'm sorry, if Silent gasp! I shook my fist into the sky for, for those, you know, for audio, but

Dani 51:33

He gave Bankhead a thousand dollars a knife, gloves, and a liquid that was supposed to knock her out when mixed with a beverage. Abdullah told Bankhead his wife was not a good Muslim because she would not wear her headdress and ate pork.

Stephanie 51:53

Now. As I've said before, I'm not an expert on, Islam. However, what I do, what I have heard, from what I do know, is that wearing a scarf or a hijab It isn't compulsory. It's supposed to be part of the woman's journey and their choice. This is what I have been told. So once again, not an expert, did a little research. I have people that have talked to me about this, but it, it is, it isn't supposed to be a command from someone else. It's supposed to be, if that's how they want to express their faith. And that's how they want to practice. So. And

Dani 52:40

surely, should not be a reason.

Stephanie 52:44

To kill someone? To hire

Dani 52:46

a hitman.

Stephanie 52:47

I don't care what the issue is with the hijab. Like.

Dani 52:51

We don't murder. I'm pretty sure that that, that is, I mean, I don't know very much about. I'm sure it's not okay to murder your wife.

Stephanie 52:58

Mm hmm.

Dani 52:59

Okay. Well, it's just, it's not okay. Abdullah had instructed Bankhead to go to the house and ask Angie to borrow a book. Angie would offer him tea as it was custom for Islam. He's like, just go over. So she's

Stephanie 53:13

practicing in so many other ways and advocating for the community. And this is the reason that he's given a hitman that was willing to take a thousand dollars. I know that this was in oh two or oh one, wherever

Dani 53:28

in 2000.

Stephanie 53:29

Are we getting, I mean, team, team who didn't exist back then, but I feel like this is a hitman off sheen. Like what? I wouldn't trust paying a thousand dollars to anyone to do something this serious. Well, this

Dani 53:41

is just how stupid he is because you're get, obviously he didn't do it. He's like a thousand bucks. This is how stupid Abdullah is. Like, he's like, Oh, I got this in the bag.

Stephanie 53:55

And then he went for the DIY, which was

Dani 53:58

probably even worse. Here's the knife. Here's the drugs. Got you a set of gloves too, bro. Seriously? Get a fucking life.

Stephanie 54:08

He made a DIY kit. He's like knife, gloves, liquid, thousand dollars. I've put it in a gift basket for you.

Dani 54:18

Abdullah told Bankhead after she lost consciousness, To rape her and slit her throat.

Stephanie 54:25

The fuck?

Dani 54:26

The violence.

Stephanie 54:28

but what is even the point of that? That's his

Dani 54:31

fucking wife! Mmm, I'm starkless. He then told Bankhead he was to call 9 1 1 and whisper. Wow,

Stephanie 54:45

very genius plan, yes.

Dani 54:46

You know why I like Bankhead? He threw the knife, gloves, and liquid away and he spent the thousand dollars on meth and I love Tim. He said,

Stephanie 54:56

thank you, I'll be methin around, but, um, best wishes to whatever the fuck you got going on, you weirdo. When the meth head is like, um, that's dumb. That's

Dani 55:08

a little much, bro.

Stephanie 55:09

Bro, that's fucking dumb. Um, peace though. I'm gonna head to jackpot. Anyway, bye. Peace. I'm so glad he got fucking scammed. Oh my god. Isn't that the best? Scam these dumb ass

Dani 55:27

bitches. Oh my god. Bankhead did get hold, before the trial, when he heard all of this had went down, kudos to him for going like, yeah, I blew a thousand dollars on meth. He went to the police and told the story, so.

Stephanie 55:41

So Methhead, Bankhead, it would have been better if you maybe just put an anonymous tip in before you went to jackpot or wherever you went.

Dani 55:48

Somebody gave me a thousand dollars and some knives and gloves. Find

Stephanie 55:50

a way, write a letter do agree with that. I know that you were probably busy with the whole meth, meth, mething around, um, so, lesson learned, meth head bankman.

Dani 56:04

I wonder how pissed Abdullah was that he got ripped off for a thousand bucks.

Stephanie 56:07

He consulted a crackhead? That's your first mistake, idiot. Fuck. I know a local crackhead. He'll do it. He'll get the job done. Through my charity work or through my church's work. We know a couple crackheads. They'll do anything. We

Dani 56:25

got it done.

Stephanie 56:26

A thousand bucks is like a million to this guy. He's like, this guy's so fucking dumb.

Dani 56:32

I bet you he's so fucking mad because I just picture him as like being this overly I mean, he's incompetent as a man, but he thinks he's a man. Because remember, Angie's 37 and he's 25 and all this goes down.

Stephanie 56:44

That is so crazy. Right? So he probably thinks he's

Dani 56:49

10 times the man he could ever be. Oh yeah. And so he's like, I got this. Brilliant!

Stephanie 56:55

Just hire a crackhead for it. You don't hire a crackhead for anything except maybe, like, protection on your block because they will ride for you if you pay them. Like, but you don't let them around your electronics or your car or give them a thousand dollars and a knife and say, I, I bet he was honestly disappointed. I bet he thought, this guy's going to pay me to be a hitman. I'm going to get. 300, 000. And then he comes with a grand and he's like,

Dani 57:26

oh, I'm not doing this shit. But anyways, I'll take the money. He didn't say that. He's like, this is not happening, but I'll take what you got. You got a VCR. You got a DVD player.

Stephanie 57:37

I'd love to take it apart. Sorry, guys, this is just too much.

Dani 57:46

The defense presented witnesses that of course stated Abdullah was a good husband. Yeah, higher in the meth head. And I'm sorry, Mr. Bank, you probably, you, we know you did.

Stephanie 57:58

I'm so glad that you came forward. So thank you. Yeah.

Dani 58:01

I'm not trying to bash you.

Stephanie 58:02

Methin for Jesus. I'm not trying

Dani 58:04

to bash you. You said You said The defense presented witnesses to say that Abdullah was a good husband and was excited about the birth of their new son right before the murder.

Stephanie 58:18

Really? Faking it? Maybe for the son, sure. Oh yeah. He's like, yeah,

Dani 58:22

get that kid out of there. Yeah, let's go. Abdullah did not testify in his own defense. That's weird. in closing argument, arguments Abdullah's attorneys admitted that he had repeatedly lied about his alibi to save face, but maintained he did not kill his wife. His attorney stated, I would fucking love to see this on in a video. I would love to see his attorney say this with a fucking straight face. I'm not kidding.

Stephanie 58:52

I'm so excited.

Dani 58:52

Oh, Abdul's attorney admitted that he had, drove back to Boise on the night of the fifth, but did not go to the house. How do you even fucking say that with a straight face? You fat mouth mother fucking liar. And just,

Stephanie 59:09

um, cause you can say that witnesses. Eyewitness testimony, who knows who they saw, why would you ever be like, yeah, he did, you know, do, he went to Salt Lake and then did a quick trip back in the middle of the night, on the same

Dani 59:24

night. They gave no explanation. You know, that whore that he was with, that whore he was with, at the fucking hotel, kept his kid. The whole, the gas tanks, the gas can, oh Jesus, I cannot get it straight. The gas cans that he said his son, No, you did not take your son. You left him with your mistress in a hotel And drove back to Boise and started your house on fire with your wife You killed your wife and then started the fire with your fucking children inside you

Stephanie 1:00:01

Fucking and just dirt bag hoping that they'll make it out except for the one tiny. No, he did carry

Dani 1:00:07

He did carry that 19 month old out Really? Yeah. He was wrapped in a blanket in the backyard. He was specifically taken out of the house. Not sure why he didn't take the three week old baby, the old three, but to leave Angie's daughter and her friend. Go fuck yourself, Abdullah.

Stephanie 1:00:30

He was basically like, maybe odds be in your favor. Sayonara. You want to drop my cape. Let's drive away. Oh shit.

Dani 1:00:40

Left the gas can. Fuck this guy. Okay. Those two. Look, we've covered shit. To murder somebody is a horrible thing. To start a fucking fire with children in a fucking house. Your

Stephanie 1:00:59

own children rot, you motherfucker.

Dani 1:01:04

So of course, this asshole defends Also said the only one could've, that could've started the fire was Angie. They implied, yeah. They implied that Angie and Abdullah planned the fire together for insurance money.

Stephanie 1:01:19

Fuckin fat nuts. A woman is better at planning. I'm sorry. Thank you. This is literal science. I'm just saying that, but I think that most people know. There's a reason that women are behind all of the PTA meetings and the wrestling academies and the fundraisers because. It's tied

Dani 1:01:44

up nicely.

Stephanie 1:01:45

With a bow. To plan it and then to accidentally die in it is just. So with a plastic bag around her head, yeah, fuck that, you know, and then I decided at, you know, 1152, I would put a bag around my head for aesthetic purposes because it helps with your skin

Dani 1:02:07

and let my children die. What? She was a devoted mother

Stephanie 1:02:13

that she planned this and somehow had a bag around her head. I hate

Dani 1:02:17

defense teams like this. It's like if, if it's not gonna make sense, just shut the fuck up. Yeah,

Stephanie 1:02:21

don't, don't even address it or find a better story. Get creative.

Dani 1:02:28

He was crazy. That's what everybody goes with. Yeah. It only took the jury eight hours to find him guilty of first degree murder. And the jury sentenced him to death because Idaho got their shit together, and it's not having judges hand down the death sentence.

Stephanie 1:02:48

Because even, that has been a problem in Idaho, is Idaho tried to, Be like, I'm doing my own thing, which you can't really do, like there is federal things you have to follow. But Idaho wanted to just be like, look what I can do. And they, then the federal government was like, but you can't. And that's why so many of these, these death row, Went back and forth for years. Well, but we're

Dani 1:03:16

still back and forth for years because in 2005, Appeals, appeals, appeals. And in 2015, the Idaho Supreme Court upheld the death sentence for Abdullah despite his 15 post conviction challenges. There's still more appeals. And he's still sitting on fucking death row almost 10 years later. I just don't know how you

Stephanie 1:03:41

can appeal that many times. Like I thought you had to have, I don't understand everything about death row appeals, but I thought you had to have like some certain. Like, is he just attacking a certain thing and eat throughout the case? No,

Dani 1:03:56

the first, in 2015, he had 15 post conviction challenges, so he like put all of these

Stephanie 1:04:03

Okay, I thought each one was a case. No,

Dani 1:04:06

he put these all forward, but he's still just sitting there. Go fuck yourself, and I hope your children are happy and healthy, and don't know you.

Stephanie 1:04:18

Sorry. So, overall, this was something that someone thought would be a slam dunk, because the climate It was truly bad here. I remember it vividly and I wasn't even being, you know, I'm not the one that was going to be assumed to be of any type of like a Muslim religion or anything.

Dani 1:04:41

No, but to try to take advantage of the climate. Right of the hostility and the discrimination because it was happening. It was happening

Stephanie 1:04:51

a lot

Dani 1:04:51

Definitely happening to take advantage of that to try to blame that on for the death of your wife

Stephanie 1:04:59

a heinous

Dani 1:05:00

You fucking coward and which also just builds into the hate Like he was he because

Stephanie 1:05:09

then that gives other people an excuse the other people you We'll latch on to that and then think that every hate crime is made up, which we know isn't true. But

Dani 1:05:22

I mean there's definitely hate crimes, but to blame your wife's murder on that and do you remember he said, I hope my children and I Get to see, you know, your downfall, that's not exactly what it is, but your downfall. Guess you're

Stephanie 1:05:39

seeing it.

Dani 1:05:40

We're seeing it. Look

Stephanie 1:05:41

in the mirror.

Dani 1:05:42

Hmm.

Stephanie 1:05:43

Anyway, guys, thank you for listening again. you can contact us on socials, you can email us, thelethallibraryatgmail. com. we're happy to be here with you and

Dani 1:05:58

any input, any feedback, any cases. Cheers. Yeah,

Stephanie 1:06:01

send us cases that

Dani 1:06:03

you'd like us to cover.

Stephanie 1:06:04

Idaho specific is great, but Pacific Northwest, we can go there.

Dani 1:06:10

And surprisingly, I'm not lacking cases. It blows my mind. I'm like, what? We've got a list. in my research, but anything specific that, you guys have, I'd love to, to take a peek at it. That's, it's my favorite, our research. I was so excited to tell. So that's the story, and during my research, I'm like, I can't wait to tell you what a D bag this guy

Stephanie 1:06:33

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Dani 1:06:39

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Dani 1:07:05

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Stephanie 1:07:05

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