14. Motorcycle Mayhem: Murder, Mischief, and Matrimony (Part Two)

Join Dani and Steph for part two of the motorcycle gang episode focusing on the legal journey of Paradis, Gibson, and Evans - bikers ensnared in a convoluted murder case. This episode covers key testimonies, shifting stories, and courtroom drama that spans decades. From questionable pathologist practices to Paradis's complicated love life and finding out what happened to Evans AKA Igor, we dissect the twists and turns of this true crime saga. Listen in for a detailed look at the chaos and legal battles that define this case, sprinkled with our trademark dark humor and sarcasm.

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Transcript

0:30

Welcome back to the Lethal Library. Today we are going over part two of our motorcycle gang case. We'll be discussing Paradis trial, Moline's testimony, we're going to find out what really happened to Igor, aka Evans, and of course all of the appeals, appeals, appeals. So Danny's going to start us off with the trial for Paradis.

Dani 0:51

An early December Paradis is on trial. There's a lot of the same testimony as Gibson's trial. But we do have a defense witness. Remember Aria Beaver? Yes. She testified she was with Paradis from 1 a. m. to 7 30 a. m. on June 21st. She said she had met. Now she knows the day. She remembers. Well, maybe, maybe she got those drugs cleared out of her system. She said she had met Paradis at People's Park in Spokane the afternoon before and that after leaving three other people to stay at Paradis's house that morning. He came with her to her house, so. Everyone's popping their pussy at people's parties.

Stephanie 1:34

Let's go! This is a happening place.

Dani 1:43

Fucking wild, dude. Okay, she testified in the Washington trial, but was unsure what day it was with Paradis. Now her memory is clear. Another witness for the defense, pathologist Charles P. Larson, testified that the fluid in Kimberly's lungs was in the back, indicating she died on her back. The jury deliberated for four hours before they found Paradis guilty of first degree murder. They said, yeah, anyway, you're fucking

Stephanie 2:13

dead.

Dani 2:13

Don't give a fuck. That guy, uh, you know who's missing from both these trials? Moline, she was, I feel like she, I don't think she refused to testify. I just think that there was too much

Stephanie 2:30

shit show

Dani 2:31

happening. They just were

Stephanie 2:32

like, they left themselves at a disadvantage of not being able to offer her anything there. I feel like they could have picked that up here and been like, listen, how about we just in Idaho, we'll just say, put you in witness protection or make sure there's no federal charges. I wonder if she was offered anything. I,

Dani 2:53

I don't know.

Stephanie 2:54

Maybe they felt they had a strong enough case. They were like, yeah, we don't even need Moline. This is too much of a

Dani 3:01

clusterfuck. I kind of feel like it was more than that. Like let's not make a mess here. I mean, really? Six hours? It's been very messy. Six hours total jury deliberation. We have two death penalties.

Stephanie 3:12

Yeah, I did it. So,

Dani 3:14

but 1982, a few months later, Rosanna Moline decides to tell her story. During a hearing for Peridus. Peridus has not, I'm gonna, I know it's already in my nose. He has not even been Technically convicted. I mean he's been convicted of the murder, but he hasn't been sentenced and they're already trying to get him a new trial Until she's coming to his sentencing to say something. Yeah, Moline. No, not the sentencing. This is a hearing for a new trial and he hasn't even been sentenced. It hurt my brain. I'm like, wait, did I miss something? What's happening? Moline told Judge Gary Hammond That she did not see Kimberly die. Gibson, quote, picked her up off the ground by the throat and I heard Kim choke. She made a horrible noise.

Stephanie 4:06

This is the death

Dani 4:07

rattle. Mmm, and hours later, she saw Gibson attempting sexual intercourse with emotionalist Kim on the floor of the Spokane home.

Stephanie 4:17

Okay, and so Mauline is trying to help who?

Dani 4:23

Paradis. Okay, so she's

Stephanie 4:25

putting,

Dani 4:27

this is, this is, yeah, this is, there's a lot of Kim. This is a hearing for Paradis trying to get a new trial before he's even sentenced. She also denied that she was told. So one of the stories that, that had come about early that was false, and that's why I didn't put it in this, put it in this. But there was stories circulating that her and Kimberly were putting her, put in a room and told to turn the music up really loud while they were beating Scott. So she denied this. She denied that she was told to turn up the stereo in order to drown out the screams of Scott. She was ordered to clean up the blood in the kitchen and that Paradis, Gibson, Evans, and Amacher were present during Scott's beating. Still missing Igor. She said she had returned to Paradis's house where she had been staying late June 20th. She found Scott sitting alone in the kitchen. Scott told her to get out. This isn't even Scott's house. He's like, get out of here. That's just drugs written all over it. She then walked into the adjoined living room. Kimberly was sitting on the couch. A few minutes later, she saw Gibson in the kitchen arguing with Scott. Kim told her, quote, Scott was pretty upset there were some guns that were missing. He had to come talk to Don Paradis about it. While Moline and Kim were talking, someone shut the door between the living room and the kitchen, and then she heard a loud noise, like something had hit the floor or wall. The stereo was playing, but she could still hear over the music. Gibson then came into the room and told Moline and Kim to go into a bedroom in another part of the house. Listen,

Stephanie 6:27

I've had a past of my own and I could see something like this, I've been in situations kind of similar to this where it's like, Oh, someone's getting beat up. They're gonna get beat up and you you're in survival mode. You're just like okay What do I need to do to not get the shit beat out of me and hopefully walk out of here and I'll fix them later yeah, if we're outnumbered and there's nothing we can do about our stolen guns then take your licks and We'll get out of here later I feel like that's how this started.

Dani 7:07

It's weird to me. Mind blowing.

Stephanie 7:09

Yeah.

Dani 7:11

Malene and Kimberly stayed in the bedroom for hours, talking about things from the Grateful Dead to astrology. Drugs. That's

Stephanie 7:19

drugs.

Dani 7:20

Around 4 AM, Gibson called from the hallway. Quote, Kim, come out and take your old man home now. Kim led the way out of the bedroom, and as she reached a doorway, Gibson grabbed her.

Stephanie 7:47

This is all, being crack headedly planned throughout the night, People are like, keep her in here for a minute. Oh, go. Okay, now we're gonna bring her out. This is all complete crackheadness.

Dani 8:03

Jesus. In April, Paradis is also sentenced to death.

Stephanie 8:09

Idaho, they get it done. Yeah, brother. 1984, Paradis is planning to marry Betty Martinson on September 22nd. Who the fuck is Betty? I know! But the good ol warden, Arvon Arave,

Dani 8:26

Arave makes his, says,

Stephanie 8:29

uh uh, nope, he puts his Arave is

Dani 8:31

anti marriage. He's

Stephanie 8:32

like, you fucks. Well, once you're convicted, I mean we went through this with Creech, you have no rights. No. Uh, Betty was. Be a spiritual

Dani 8:42

partner.

Stephanie 8:43

That will get you more. Betty was Paradis spiritual advisor before becoming his fiancée. These bitches be thinkin they're sneaky. Why would you ruin it? So visitation is now out. Betty Martinson. had known Paris since September 83 when she met him through another inmate. I'm just Who is introducing people to They

Dani 9:10

had like a newspaper ads or something. It was basically the TikTok inmate system. Pen pals.

Stephanie 9:23

In,

Dani 9:24

So in 1985, Gibson gives a telephone interview to a reporter at the Spokesman Review confessing he killed Kimberly. Whoopsie. Fuckin his attorneys was like, Alright. He said that Paradis had nothing to do with the murder. He stated, quote, I'm sorry Don is down here. He didn't kill anyone. Gibson is now saying after Kimberly saw the carnage of Scott's beating, she quote blew it. She came out of there and I grabbed her around the throat with this wire. After I pulled her to the floor, I put my fingers on her throat when she was drugged by Evans from the living room to the kitchen. Dawn showed up later and she was dead by then for sure.

Stephanie 10:15

They brutally fucked him up and her. You're waiting there with a wire. You were never gonna let her leave. This was planned.

Dani 10:26

Dawn was not there at all. I know that for a fact. I grabbed her. I kicked her. She wasn't moving. When Dawn came back, quote, he was upset as hell.

Stephanie 10:37

Okay, sure. Like There's dead bodies in his house. And this is an hours long undertaking. Oh yeah. She was in there with hours with Until 4

Dani 10:47

o'clock in the morning, I, what, I'm, they left the hotel at a quarter to one, or they were at the hotel a quarter to one, so by the time they got over there it was probably, let's even just be generous and say 1. 30, it took them 45 minutes, which I highly doubt. So, several hours.

Stephanie 11:01

Yeah, this was all going down in a drug fueled fuckery.

Dani 11:08

Almacher Chucker passes away in 1985. From what? I don't know! I couldn't find it. Sorry. Be gone. So we're into 1986. On July 21st, Lawrence Evans, a. k. a. Igor, is located in Blue Springs, Missouri when he is

Stephanie 11:35

Um, wow, I'm surprised they ever found him because like how they were able to find everyone else so easily. Igor was out here just gallivanting.

Dani 11:46

The FBI located him through a pair of speeding citations he had received under his alias Billy Ray Harkins. The SWAT team rushed the home at 730 in the morning. Evans walked out of his garage carrying garden tools when he was captured.

Stephanie 12:05

Who has garden tools in their hand at 7 30 a. m. What the fuck are we doing here?

Dani 12:10

Who has garden tools when Evans was using crutches? He was not able to run. He had been in a motorcycle wreck that caused the amputation of one of his legs below the knee. God damn!

Stephanie 12:26

You're not running from the cops now, are ya? No,

Dani 12:29

no, he wasn't running anywhere. He's gonna go do a little gardening. What? He finds extradition back to Idaho, but finally arrives in November.

Stephanie 12:39

Welcome.

Dani 12:41

Washington has taken a back seat to this because, you know.

Stephanie 12:44

Clearly, they're like, Idaho somehow gets it done. And listen, I'm not saying it's right, but Idaho. Was basically like we will give you the death penalty for just it's gonna happen like we're gonna we're gonna make it happen Even if it's unconstitutional And we'll pay for it for decades So

Dani 13:05

they're like sure Idaho I know has charged Evans with first degree murder and once again the death penalty is on the table 1987 the trial for Evans starts in August Evans gave his account of the murders Let's hear it. The hat that was found under Kimberly's body was examined. Defense witness, criminologist, Carol Murin, testified most of the hairs were dissimilar to Evans. Evans says, that's not my hat. Okay. Evans even takes a stand in his defense. Wow. I just feel like people don't do that as much now. Like, Oh no. They were defending to defend. They were, they were going to get up there and say something.

Stephanie 13:55

They had to.

Dani 13:56

And that did not work out well for

Stephanie 13:58

them. I feel like people have learned that even if you're innocent, it's, do not, not always a good idea unless you can provide something that isn't provided with the evidence. What it's all what you say and what you say

Dani 14:13

and what you open yeah what you open yourself up to to Yeah, he stated quote. I didn't kill Kimberly Palmer. I didn't intend her or anyone to get killed He also testified that he did nothing to prevent the murders He admitted to helping hide the bodies and then was on the run for six years He also said quote what I'd done is not do anything And I've had to live with that. On June 21st, 1980, Evans and Paradis arrived at Paradis home around 2. 30 in the morning. They saw three men sitting in the kitchen. Scott, Gibson, and a mocker. Evans knew there had already been a fight because Scott's eyes and lips were beginning to swell. Another fight started, and Paradis told Evans to wait on the porch to make sure no one comes in. You have to remember at this time Evans was a, prospect for this gypsy joker motorcycle game. He's trying to get in. He's trying to get in. So he's just doing what he's told. He's like, sure, I'll, I'll be the lookout. Yep. Out front. Sure. An hour later, Evans was called back inside the house and saw Scott bloody beaten and most likely dead. He did not see Kimberly, but she, he knew she was inside. They instructed Evans to leave and get advice from other motorcycle club leaders. Okay. When Evans returned to let Paradis know that other leaders did not want to get involved.

Stephanie 15:48

They said, oh, you've got two dead bodies. Why would you tell us that? Shh.

Dani 15:53

Don't know nothing. He saw Gibson in the hallway with his pants down on top of Kimberly's body. Disgusting. He said, quote, I don't know exactly what he was doing. I don't know if he was raping a live or a dead body. Either way, you know, sir, it's something. Evanson went to the basement and saw Paradis and Amaker throwing lawn darts at Scott's hanging body.

Stephanie 16:20

Oh, so that's how we got there. Yeah. Y'all were out of fucking control.

Dani 16:28

I just, I can't even process this evening. Like, the, from start to finish, no. Like, how did we get here? Evans was instructed to help carry the two bodies out of the house. One was in a blue sleeping bag, and Gibson carried a red sleeping bag into the van. Evans said he did not know if Kimberly was dead, but believed she was. She was dead. She was. Paradis told him that he was going to have to help get rid of the bodies. Gibson drove Scott's van with Paradis and Evans to the Post Falls area. Gibson grabbed the red sleeping bag and told Evans to drag the blue sleeping bag out of sight, which he did.

Stephanie 17:14

Well, not well.

Dani 17:16

No, I just don't. Kimberly ends up outside of the sleeping bag. And that's

Stephanie 17:25

No, that's suspicious to me because I feel like someone took her out to violate her again. It's my thinking. I don't, I'll never know.

Dani 17:36

While he was moving that sleeping bag, he heard a crash and saw that the van was overturned. They did it on purpose, guys. They tipped over the van on purpose. It didn't stall. It didn't break down.

Stephanie 17:51

They wanted it to look like a wreck, like, like someone gets puncture wounds from lawn darts and dies out of a

Dani 17:57

Maybe they thought it was gonna roll way far down in a ravine.

Stephanie 18:01

They thought that they could, yeah.

Dani 18:02

Superhuman strength like Hulk off the side of a mountain. No, bro. We'll

Stephanie 18:06

never find the vehicle that we used to dispose of the bodies because this was the ex girlfriends who clearly didn't want the van. They're like if we just toss everything. Yeah, let's go.

Dani 18:18

The three men then walked to Post Falls with their baby gun. Evans denied he owned the blue hat. The jury deliberated for almost a day and returned the verdict of not guilty.

Stephanie 18:32

Must have been very convincing.

Dani 18:33

In a statement, the jury said that they did not believe Evans was innocent, but they could not find him guilty of committing the crime in Idaho.

Stephanie 18:42

Right. Finally! That is a tough, when is she dead? And where is she dead?

Dani 18:48

Finally! Evans is extradited to Washington to face charges in Scott's murder. So they're gonna try it again. 1988, Evans trial for the murder of Scott starts in February. The jury deliberated for 14 hours over three days before they found Evans guilty of second degree murder. He is sentenced to 12 and a half years in prison. Evans will end up spending 10 years.

Stephanie 19:17

That's still a very low sentence. I mean, 10 years? And he's had six years free? Like, all right.

Dani 19:29

All right. Let's talk about some of the issues that are being brought up on these appeals.

Stephanie 19:34

I'm sure there's gonna be appeals.

Dani 19:36

There's a ton of appeals. Exponential appeals. One issue is the testimony of Dr. Brady. He conducted the autopsies on Scott and Kimberly. He testified in Gibson and Paradis's trial. He said he believed Kimberly was alive when she arrived in Idaho. Dr. Brady also said Kimberly had water in her lungs from the creek where she was found. He said the ligature mark on Kimberly's neck was from her necklace. And was not fatal, and that it wasn't, by a piece of heavy wire. What was glossed over at trial was a tear wound on Kimberly's, near her crotch area. It was inflicted after Kimberly died because it did not bleed at all. Remember we were just talking about getting out of the sleeping bag?

Stephanie 20:29

Yeah, yeah.

Dani 20:32

Pictures also showed Kimberly had blood on her left nostril and ear, even though her head had been submerged in the water. Despite this, Dr. Brady testified in 1981 that Kimberly died in the creek after being strangled and had been tossed alive into the creek where she inhaled some creek water. Several years after the trial, Dr. Brady was investigated. He was placed on administrative leave for selling body parts to other laboratories.

Stephanie 21:00

What in the literal hell?

Dani 21:03

What? You should see my face when I'm researching this shit. He collected money from these body parts to buy new lab equipment for the Oregon office. No criminal charges were brought because there is no evidence Brady profited personally. He did end up suing for wrongful termination.

Stephanie 21:24

You're selling people's body parts. I don't care if it's for lab equipment for the greater You're like, I am buying lab equipment for an underprivileged school, whatever the fuck. I'm gonna

Dani 21:34

take your grandmother's, uh. You

Stephanie 21:36

cannot do that. This is why, like, when you get your license, they ask if you want to donate your organs. And dead bodies have rights. People can't take your organs, even if someone is in desperate need of it. If you've said no. They cannot take it. If you want to do it, you certainly can. You cannot be selling people's organs. Where, where are you finding buyers, you fucking weirdo? From other labs. Other labs? Or is it fucking weird people? Who knows? Who are you selling them to?

Dani 22:13

Possibly.

Stephanie 22:15

Some weirdo that wants, like, a fucking amputated leg or something? Oh, I can't, okay. Sorry, that's, that's wild to me.

Dani 22:28

One lab assistant said, When Brady learned a defense appointed pathologist would review his autopsy work, Brady reopened the body and mutilated several internal organs.

Stephanie 22:40

Okay, so, so now you're like, Oh, I'm being investigated, I better fuck this up? Like, what? Yeah,

Dani 22:45

no, he's like, uh, Fuck these people, I am right. And so, I'm gonna just make it so they, they can't say anything, yeah, mm hmm.

Stephanie 22:55

Brady, you sound like a shitty person,

Dani 22:58

dude. In the Paratus trial, Dr. Brady said fluid found in Kimberly's lungs showed she aspirated in the creek. But in the later Evans trial, he said that that, it was just as likely she did not aspirate in any creek water. Make up your fucking mind, dude. Brady Her lungs, while heavy, was still within normal range. There was no work done to prove that she had any creak organisms in her lungs, so no test for run. He also testified in the Evans trial that it was possible Kimberly had died before Scott. So

Stephanie 23:34

once again, Idaho overzealous and ready to, ready to do it with.

Dani 23:40

They just, he just What attorneys are not checking on his previous testimony?

Stephanie 23:46

Or bringing in, bringing in their own experts.

Dani 23:50

We're going to get to that. While testifying in the Gibson Imperatives Trial, he said Scott had died way before Kimberly. And so he's just all over the place. This was brought about because of some color photos of the autopsy. These photos were not produced until after the original trial and only came up in one of the appeals.

Stephanie 24:12

They were just hanging out somewhere and were never included. Black and

Dani 24:15

whites are fine.

Stephanie 24:16

Cool, that's great. This is the 80s, like, color photos are a thing.

Dani 24:22

No, they, they did the whole trial with black and white photos. What

Stephanie 24:26

the fuck are we even doing here? Like there is so much fuckery going on that I don't even, I don't even know what to write down. Like, fuckery, everything's fucked.

Dani 24:38

Everything's fucked. That's what Steph's writing in her notebook. I'm gonna write it. And then also, and these appeal, we have para's attorney, bill Brown, poor Bill. He was a police officer for 20 years and then went back to college to get his law degree. He was so new as. Attorney that he hadn't even argued a speeding ticket in front of a judge

Stephanie 25:03

and he went for a first degree murder

Dani 25:08

Well, you know, they probably had two fucking attorneys in that County so they're

Stephanie 25:12

like he's what we got

Dani 25:14

So we are jumping up a bit we are in 1996 Paradis gets a hearing in front of the Idaho Commission on Pardon and Paroles This fuckin blows my mind, by the way. Fuck court. We're just gonna go to Pardons and Pearls.

Stephanie 25:32

Is this like a special thing, like, clemency type? Yeah. You want to put your name? He still has

Dani 25:39

appeals in though.

Stephanie 25:41

Like, like, let's just skip all that. Let's just, let's do everything. I mean, sure.

Dani 25:47

He is looking for them to to commute his death sentence to life in prison. Four medical pathologists testify that Kimberly did not die in Idaho. Utah Chief Medical Examiner Todd Gray stated, Quote, we found it very disturbing that Mr. Paradis was convicted on such speculative and frankly incorrect evidence. Okay. Fuck you, Brady. He caused a lot of these

Stephanie 26:16

problems. Well, and, listen, even if, I, I'm, I'm totally acknowledging that she may or may not have died in Idaho. But, when these four pathologists or experts, without the body there, what do you have to go off?

Dani 26:39

So one of the the biggest things There's there's more to come by the way But one of the biggest things is the cut that was on her labia that they found it She had her jeans on but there was no blood on her jeans from that cut Which means, it happened, she was dead, she was dead, when that happened. So, that's a big chunk, but you're gonna hear a little. What a

Stephanie 27:10

terrible, like, no matter who's guilty, innocent, or whatever, like this whole night of fucking terror, and especially for her, and to, like, sickening.

Dani 27:23

It really is. we're gonna hear a little bit more about some of that stuff later on. Gibson also testifies for Paradis. Gibson started off by immediately declaring his dislike for Paradis. He's like, I don't like this guy, but I'm going to tell you the truth. Maybe. And then he said, I don't know. I don't, I don't know what to believe from this guy. But he, he said that Paradis did not kill Kimberly. Gibson said he might have killed her, but did not take clear responsibility for it. Quote, it was wrong what happened for Mr. Paradis to be executed for something he didn't do. wasn't involved in would be wrong again. I've made enough wrong decisions in my life. I don't expect forgiveness and I don't forgive myself. The State Commission on Pardons and Paroles recommended that Governor Phil Back commute paired as a sentence. It is a rare recommendation decided on a 32 vote. The governor has 30 days to decide. Deputy Attorney General Lynn Thomas said, quote, I find it inconceivable that the work of eight courts spanning 15 years could be set aside on the basis of six hours worth of testimony not subject to cross examination.

Stephanie 28:46

Fair. That is fair, because I mean, we've, there's been hundreds of hours outside of this, and now we're going to take this. Six hours to provide clemency or yeah, you

Dani 29:00

commute a sentence So good point on May 25th Governor BAT says there are too many doubts to justify Paradis's execution and commuted his sentence to life in prison and of course all of the All of the federal appeals regarding the death sentence are dropped because it's no longer a death

Stephanie 29:19

penalty case. No death penalty.

Dani 29:21

Sure, sure, sure. So, uh,

Stephanie 29:26

yeah, just like that.

Dani 29:28

1998. Guess who's getting married? Gibson? No, he's already married. Paradis and Vanessa Sanford get married in the visitation room of the Idaho State Correctional Institution. Aww. How very romantic. I'm sure they met. She was probably a spiritual advisor. I'm not for sure.

Stephanie 29:49

You spiritual women out here. Love ya, but why are we Why are we picking up men in the prisons? Stop, please.

Dani 30:00

Also in 1998, Gibson has his conviction overturned by a federal judge.

Stephanie 30:05

Okay.

Dani 30:06

The opinion of the court was ineffective counsel. Gibson's attorney Mike Frable failed to adequately refute the state's medical expert Brady. Idaho's ordered to either release Gibson or retry him. In 1999, Paradis gets a hearing for a new trial. So not only was he commuted from the death penalty to life, he's also getting he's getting

Stephanie 30:35

to restart, to even Basically determine his guilt. Mm hmm. Okay

Dani 30:44

in august of 99 the prosecution offers a deal for gibson in exchange for an alford plea for the murder of kimberly Gibson will only have 41 more months to spend in prison

Stephanie 30:56

You know what? I think that people need to talk about the alford plea a little bit more just in general Because I think it's a, it's a genuine plea, and with this and how messy it is, it's basically saying, I'm not admitting guilt, but with everything that's against me, I wouldn't be able to fight this. There's no way for me to prove my innocence. I can't defend it. There's no way for me to create a reasonable doubt. And, the Alford plea is, I'm not trying to praise them, but I think this is a good strategy because it's like, in, instead of him pleading guilty, if they're willing to just do this, Sure. Like I can see why this was the strategy.

Dani 31:47

I agree. I agree.

Stephanie 31:52

No, the Alford plea is like, there are situations where you don't have anything that can go on your side and you're like,

Dani 32:00

I just,

Stephanie 32:01

every time I hear the Alford plea, I just think of the staircase. The staircase trial. Yeah, that's an interesting one. I still don't know how I feel. I know. Well, I know how I feel about it too, but I can see, I'm surprised it isn't used

Dani 32:15

more. I think also that the standard is, oh, they're just playing that so they don't have to make it so much. I think it's deeper than that. I do. I think

Stephanie 32:30

there's people who are innocent who have used the alpha plea where they're like. This is my last, you know, sure, put me in jail. I didn't do it. Fine, I'll

Dani 32:40

do, I'll do 15 years even though I didn't do it. Not the case in this, of course, you know, with this particular trial. Yeah, all for please interesting. In 2000, a federal judge clears the way for a new trial or release of Paradis. Notes from Prosecutor Hawes were never disclosed to the defense. His notes showed doubt in Brady's testimony. His notes said that Brady could not determine the time of death and that Kimberly was not sexually assaulted as claimed, and probably was dead when her body was dumped in Idaho. That's what the prosecutor had in his notes, but then Brady testified Completely different. Ben

Stephanie 33:28

has flip flops all over the place. And Ben's selling body parts. So I'm so your Actual like character comes into play in that if you're willing to sell people's body parts if you're doing that type of shady shit. Your credibility is gone. Like, I'm sorry. And he should have been disbarred and gotten the fuck out because, disgusting.

Dani 33:55

On April 10th, 2001, after 21 years in prison, Paradis pleads to a lesser charge and is free after making a deal with authorities. He pleads guilty to being an accessory to murder for helping dump Kimberly's body. The maximum sentence for that crime is five years. Also later that year, in November, Paradis is seeking 20 million dollars from the state of Idaho and Kootenai County. Which, I, if I was wrongfully convicted and spent 21 years in prison, this was his whole thing. He never had the chance to, build a career. I mean, there's lots of things that he missed out on, but 20 million's a lot of money.

Stephanie 34:43

20 million is a lot of money, and here's my thing. Is all of this could have been avoided. I feel like they tried to keep that bad boy loyalty for way too long. Paradis, if you would have just flop, flipped. If you truly didn't murder or rape a dead body or whatever. if you were the one that was, you just happened to be there and you're like, shit, I get it. I get it. If someone's murdered someone else in, in the same house as you, and then you're in this biker gang mentality and they say, we got to get rid of this body. You can't be a tattletale right then. You can't be like, guys, this is wrong. We got to call the police. You can't leave then. I, I can understand the dynamics of that. But, to then tell Pete, tell your story and plead out early. Tell them all the information they need to know. And you could plead out and get Five, 10 years?

Dani 35:53

Uh, yes, but I don't, I don't think that was ever an option for, for him, honestly. Do you remember Rice from, that last ca, that, that last, case, the, yeah, the tattle tail. Yeah, that's exactly what he did. And he ended up spending more time than the people have fricking murdered people. Right. So honestly, this was a, i this was a witch hunt. It is what it is. By, by the prosecution. They wanted, they wanted it all. They were not, I mean, first of all. And they were

Stephanie 36:27

stretching the truth.

Dani 36:28

For the Spokane prosecutors to have that trial all together, you would never see that today.

Stephanie 36:36

Ever, ever, ever, ever. It's just created. And so fast. Y'all didn't even try to put your case together. Nope. You guys fucked it up. This is why all this has happened decades later.

Dani 36:48

Yep. Decades later, in 2002, the very end of 2002, December 31st, Gibson, at age 51, is released after 22 years in prison. All done. In 2006, in a settlement with Kootenai County, they agreed to pay Paradis 900, 000 for wrongful imprisonment.

Stephanie 37:11

What was he asking for, 20 million? Yeah.

Dani 37:15

And it was like, he got like 50 grand right away, and then it was like For so many years it was like 3, 500 a month.

Stephanie 37:22

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Dani 37:38

your shit, dude. So, but the fuckery doesn't stop. God, I

Stephanie 37:45

cannot

Dani 37:45

believe there's more. So, well these guys are both out of prison, right? But I'm just telling you this is their mentality, okay? And I don't know, in 2011, Six year old Gibson is arrested in California during a sweep of the Vagos Motorcycle Club. Drugs, weapons, and party armor were seized during the raid. He is charged with possessing the marijuana and participating in criminal activities. And a criminal streaking. I don't, I couldn't figure out, there was nothing in the papers what happened to that, but he's like,

Stephanie 38:19

he should have just ran for office. Truly.

Dani 38:23

No. He went back to his gang, old chief's at

Stephanie 38:26

it. He's like, I'm the chief, let's get her done

Dani 38:29

back. So anyway, I just had, I had to include that because it's. It's like, dude, seriously,

Stephanie 38:35

calm down. You're 60

Dani 38:36

years old. After doing

Stephanie 38:37

that many years in prison, you're 60 years old. I would be retiring and learning to crochet. Find a hobby, bro.

Dani 38:46

My activities are remote

Stephanie 38:47

control cars, stained glass,

Dani 38:51

and coloring with gel pens. So, we're gonna jet up to 2018. Okay. Cause you thought the fuckery was done.

Stephanie 39:01

It just keeps going.

Dani 39:04

At age 69, Paradis is back in court. In September 2017, Paradis and a friend, Richard Myers, got into a heated argument in Paradis home. Richard had been living with the Paradises at the time. During the argument, Richard kicked one of Paradises dogs and screamed at Paradis and the dog.

Stephanie 39:27

Don't be kicking someone's dog. Do

Dani 39:29

not be kicking somebody's dog.

Stephanie 39:31

People will be Listen.

Dani 39:34

Paradis told Richard he needed to sober up and leave. Peridis then left to the gym and when he arrived back home two hours later, Richard was still there, not taking the hint. Yikes. Richard basically said, I'm not leaving.

Stephanie 39:52

Knowing that someone, no matter what actually happened, knowing this story and that regardless, everyone was guilty of some fuckery that night, whether it's not saying anything or actually killing someone or beating the shit out of someone, Or raping a dead body, knowing that someone had been involved in that, I don't care how long ago it is, that says to someone's character, maybe if you kicked their dog and they said you better get the fuck out of there, I'd be like, you know what, I should probably leave. I'm going to sleep in my car tonight or I'm going to find a motel six. Richard, what did you do? You stayed there. He said, I'm not leaving.

Dani 40:39

I have tenants rights. Paradis then shoved a gun in the back of drunk Richard's neck. Richard was not injured though. Paradis's attorney, Bill Mock, said it was a pistol that fires BBs and pellets.

Stephanie 40:57

I'm sorry. I don't want to be shot in the head with a BB. I know a drunkard should not kick the fucking dog. Don't

Dani 41:04

be kicking the dog and don't be shooting BBs at people like. And if you're a drunkard staying at somebody's house, I'm not defending this guy, it sounds like him, but if you're a drunkard at somebody's house and they tell you to leave. Just go. Just go. You gotta go. Bro, go get a fucking job. You kicked his dog. Dude, do not kick my, I would. I'd throw down. I know you, and I would too. A pre sentencing investigator recommended probation for Paradis. Idaho prosecutors are recommended 15 years Wow. That's quite the rage. parent is, pleads guilty to aggravated assault and the use of a firearm during a commission of a crime. And he is sentenced to 15 years with three years fixed.

Stephanie 41:53

That's wild to me. 15 years and no one was. He's actually injured. It was a

Dani 42:00

BB gun. Not that they can't injure you, but Jesus, it was a BB gun. And also, he's a 69 year old, he's an old man. Well and, you know. And they kicked his, I'm, my dad would fucking throw down if somebody kicked his, he gets his hurt, his feelings hurt if I make fun of his dog. He's like,

Stephanie 42:20

I might bring out a gun, Danny. You make fun of Rusty one more time. He's like, that's my boy. I'm like, well, your boy's fat, dad. He said, what? Somebody get me my pistol.

Dani 42:33

But currently, you know that three years fixed? This is in 2018. Currently, Paradis is 75 and still in custody at the Idaho State Correctional Institution Medical Annex.

Stephanie 42:45

I'm sorry, but with viewing everything separately, like I've said, There was fuckery every, I think everyone that was involved in this whole night was guilty of stuff. But for him to be exonerated and then get 15 years when no one was even injured? Like, so a lot of people don't understand like if you brandish a firearm, that's a big Thing, if you brandish a firearm and there is no, like, fear for your life, like a road rage incident, if you like, pull a gun on someone when, after you're already safe, like say you're in your neighborhood and you pull a gun, they can take all your guns. You can be on probation or parole for a long time. It's a felony. So, so yes, I would understand probation slash parole, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Maybe a year of jail time less.

Dani 43:44

And he's an old man. Who was hurt?

Stephanie 43:47

The dog! Where's the justice

Dani 43:50

for Fido here? I'm just saying if somebody kicked my fucking dog, it would go down. I just thought it was a little overkill.

Stephanie 43:58

So this is the most recent updates we've got on this one.

Dani 44:01

Yeah.

Stephanie 44:03

Anyway, what a wild ride. Don't you guys think? Thank you, Danny, for I just, let me just tell you guys the amount of research that this took Dani to even put together. It hurt me. You guys heard how much of a shit show it was, right? It hurt me deep inside. But she fucking soldiered through. So thank you, Dani. I hope you guys enjoyed.

Dani 44:27

I hope that I told you a complete story and if, I mean, if you have questions, please reach out. Jenny's the pro. I would love to address them because I probably know it in my brain. It just might not have made it on, on paper. Well, and there's some things that are just unknown. Yeah. The victims. There was nothing I found fine death notices and so and I'm you know I'm we're at a certain level of paying for paywalls So and I'm sure that there is more research that I could have found through court systems and all that stuff But it's money transcripts is Extremely expensive. So, I'm depending on newspaper. com. Statesman, get us through! I did find that there are several, 60 Minutes did a thing on Paradis trial. 60 Minutes 2, by the way. Didn't even know that was a thing. unable to locate the, the video. It's floating out there somewhere. The New Yorker did a huge article on it, which I decided not to read because it's a 13, 000 word article. Big ol page. And I found that very late in my research, and so I chose not to read that, but that is available too. but there's, but then there's just, so you get stuff like that and then there's nothing on these victims. If you guys

Stephanie 45:47

read that stuff and find contesting info, we're interested in it. I will apologize like a motherfucker. We're not reporting the news. We're reporting on what we found. Like this is how we put it together.

Dani 46:00

Motorcycle gangs and I'm telling you, those Lich wishes that he would, he's like man, do you know they're all in prison together and Creech is like, God bro, I wish I could be just like you. He's like,

Stephanie 46:13

I was in 17 gangs all across the United States, and they're like, no, we heard about you, you fucking poser ass bitch.

Dani 46:21

I'm Mr. Nationwide, and Gibson's like, really, no.

Stephanie 46:25

You don't have any idea, bro. None. Anyway, another great episode. Thank you, Dani. I know how much work this one was. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram. Our TikTok is up. We hope you love it. We hope

Dani 46:40

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Stephanie 46:47

to follow repost our stuff. Yes. We just need, how many, is it? 500 followers. That's what I've heard. We're 111 followers. Thank you to each and every one of y'all that have followed us. We're, we're so stoked about that. So we're

Dani 47:01

20% there. Yes, we can do it. We can do it. Folks. We would love to do a live. That would be

Stephanie 47:06

awesome. For any questions, comments, concerns, you can email the lethal library.com or just comment on our post Risa. We see you. this episode, unfortunately for you, was over the top with the language. Our apologies, Risa. Apologies again. We're trying. I don't know if we'll ever meet your standard, but we love you, Risa. Thank you.

Dani 47:34

Alright, guys. Thank you so much. Love you. Bye. 10 4, rubber ducky. Fuck yeah.

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