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19. Kindness Betrayed: Two Heinous Crimes Against Two Idaho Couples

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In this episode of The Lethal Library, hosts Stephanie and Dani dive into two shorter but very disturbing true crime stories straight out of Idaho. First up, they unravel the tragic case of Bob and Idella Young, an elderly Nampa couple brutally murdered on Christmas Day 2003. The duo then explore another crime in a similar vein: the 1996 double homicide of another elderly couple, William Duke and Dalma Furman Bull, in Downey, Idaho. This time, there's some incredibly senseless violence over $30, a phone calling card, and a saxophone. Listen in as Stephanie and Dani navigate these grim tales with their usual blend of wit and biting commentary.

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Stephanie:

All right, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of The Lethal Library. I am Stephanie.

Dani:

I'm Danny

Stephanie:

and here Danny is gonna tell us another true crime story from Idaho. And this one is gonna be, at least one, is very local. We're actually gonna do two stories in one'cause they're a little bit shorter, but just so you get a full episode, that's how we're gonna do it today. So let us know what you think.

Dani:

Yeah, I, set out and started some research and ended up. A little short for timelines. So I thought these, two, would fit together. And so I'm gonna tell you two stories today.

Stephanie:

Let's go.

Dani:

our first story is about Bob and Idella Young. They were, an elderly couple, from Nampa that unfortunately were murdered. At their house for of course no reason. And I'm gonna it. Yeah. This is a why, why, why.

Stephanie:

There's been a several of those around the area where it's just pointless.

Dani:

Bob and Idella Young were found dead in their home on December 29th, 2003. They were discovered by a friend who had been unable to reach them. The police found no signs of forced entry, so they believe the killer may have been an acquaintance of the couple. Bob was 82 and Idella was 74. Bob was found bound in their home office with two stab wounds. The evidence showed that Bob had struggled with the attacker Idella was found bound in the kitchen of their home with a stab wound as well. The home had been ransacked with drawers left open and closed, thrown about, and after further investigation, the police believe the youngs were murdered sometime between 7:00 PM on Christmas day and 8:00 AM on December 26th. So very short time period. Yeah. And the holidays too. A neighbor had spoken with the Youngs at 8:10 PM on Christmas day about he'd went over there to talk to them, about taking care of his car while he was out of town.'cause he was leaving and he's like, Hey, will you watch my car? Hmm. The next morning around 8:00 AM he went to drop off the keys to his car, but the youngs didn't answer the door. The neighbor found this odd because the Youngs were early risers. Mm-hmm. Their home behind Albertsons was currently for sale because the Youngs are trying to downsize and simplify their lives. Recently, Bob Young had been in and outta the hospital due to his cancer diagnosis. Alright. Oh, the couple had been married since 1961. Oh, that's a lu. That's L The couple had a successful appliance business in Oregon. They started around 1961 when they got married. They raised six children together all from previous marriages, and they raised a granddaughter.

Stephanie:

A real Brady Bunch. Yeah, a for sure. Brady Bunch, for sure. Oh my gosh. Who did this to our dear Bob and Del?

Dani:

I'm, this guy's a fucking dick. in 1980, the Youngs moved to Nampa and started a real estate business. The couple originally moved to Nampa to take care of Bob's mother who lived across the street.

Stephanie:

Aw, these are good people, so they're all right there. Bob and

Dani:

Idella were very involved in their church and made many trips to jackpot. They the pilgrimage, you gotta love you some jackpot. Yeah. Former renters and friends stated that they were kind and helpful people. One former renter. Joanna Luna told of how Bob Young had fixed her washer. Another former renter, Norma and Mario Trevino, stated the Youngs had helped many low income families in the area buy homes.

Stephanie:

So they were renters and also in real estate, and so they were also helping people buy homes. So not a slumlord? No. What a great landlord. Right. I think that anyone renting right now would love if their landlord was like. I also work in real estate. They know of homes or maybe they have homes they don't wanna rent anymore. Right? And can give you, since they know you, Ugh. People would kill for that. Now Stephanie, that was not a cute go home. I'm just gonna, you know what? I'm gonna, I forgot what our podcast is about. Thank you. It was so nice. Call the Uber, Call the Uber Heidi!!

Dani:

Even I caught that. Normally, I'm so into my story.

Stephanie:

What am I doing, Danny? To be fair, I've been sick. I'm under a lot of stress right now. Okay. All right folks. Remember what kind of podcast you're doing, Stephanie, let's be a little bit more mindful in demure. How about that? Be fucking demure stuff people would kill for that. Let me take a drink first. Cheers. Cheers.

Dani:

I can. That was great. I think, oh man, that's ranking up there with emotional support first for me. Mm-hmm. Mm. they were just good people. Yeah, it sounds like it. They were really good people. More than 700 mourners came to their funeral. Hmm. They were just so well known around here. A reward fund was set up by a local realtors group that reached$10,000. These people were beloved by their family, friends, and the community. Yeah. Hands down. So that was in 2003, right? 2004. DNA was collected. Finally, let's go. DNA CO was collected from the evidence and was tested. They found blood on a white cotton glove and a torn finger from a latex glove. I don't know why the double, double gloves trying to be sneaky, but Mm. Yeah. Blood was also found on the Young's fax machine that takes you back. They're business people, they probably use that thing all the time. A small spot of DNA was found on Idella's hip, possibly sweat or spit of the killer.

Stephanie:

Hmm.

Dani:

Which, can I just say back in, I mean, 20 years ago,

Stephanie:

this is the early days.

Dani:

Yeah. They were looking for DNA sweat.

Stephanie:

Yeah. You can't, they were

Dani:

looking for blood.

Stephanie:

Blood, yeah. Semen or something that like, you know, someone has touched or would like a cloth that might have been like wiped on a forehead maybe, but not a drop of sweat

Dani:

on her hip hip because people, they, I mean, they weren't testing. Parts of your body like that. Mm-hmm. Now they can do it like they do it all. They'll swap you up. Yeah. Over 70 people of interest were eliminated from the test results. Thank you. DNA, I just can't believe there would be 70

Stephanie:

people. But I mean, they were, they were trying, who knows if there's a tenant that was, maybe it didn't work out so great. I mean, they knew a lot of people, right?

Dani:

They were very well known, so. But to have 70 people

Stephanie:

eliminated. Well, and even just people that weren't mad at them. All the neighbors, if you were around the area in the time, you are not a suspect, but you're a person of interest because you were around here at that time. So

Dani:

Year after year, their daughter, Kathleen Young Loggins, would write to the local newspaper editors reminding the public of the unsolved murder.

Stephanie:

And that's one of the best things that you can do in an un unsolved case.'cause there's been many cases that some we've done podcasts on where someone sees a newspaper years later and is like, oh my gosh, I remember that person. I remember that night. Or I saw that person. So just doing a yearly anniversary thing. It might seem futile, but you might catch the right ear.

Dani:

And they were, they were very beautiful letters talking about how wonderful whole parents were and also like a tribute. Yeah. Also, hey, this is unsolved. Please, please, please. You know, someone come forward. Yeah, someone knows something. After nearly five years, an arrest was finally made. On November 6th, 2008, Pete K Roberts age 44 was arrested on first degree murder. He also faced two counts of first degree kidnapping. Oh, prosecutors filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Shit's getting real, real quick too. Roberts was originally arrested in September on a concealed weapons charge. Roberts was no stranger to the Nampa Police Department. He was convicted or pled guilty to drug charges in both 1992 and 1998. In 2006, a local man told the Nampa Police Department that several comments made by Robert. Led him to believe that he was responsible for hurting some people behind the Albertsons.

Stephanie:

See, someone has picked up on just some little things where they might have thought, oh, that can't possibly be that, and then he says something else where you're like,

Dani:

Ooh,

Stephanie:

oh,

Dani:

maybe, oh, let's see where this goes. A woman came forward in late 2008 that previously dated Roberts. Uh, these guys, I mean, good, but these guys telling, um, I have to tell you something. Tell me's my deep dark secret. Don't,

Stephanie:

don't tell

Dani:

me.

Stephanie:

Well, and I wonder if it comes out as like a moment of toughness, of like, you don't wanna mess with me. You heard about those people behind the Albertsons. I

Dani:

feel like some people do that out of. Trying to be vulnerable to suck you

Stephanie:

in. Right? There was a Dateline I just listened to that was like a guy told his girlfriend, she said, what's the worst thing you've ever done? Let's get it outta the way now. And he literally admitted to a murder of like a famous college football player that no one could solve. And she was like, this guy's, there's no way. But then.

Dani:

I feel like that's kind of a, a narcissist. That's what a narcissist would do. Mm-hmm. Because they are pulling you in and saying, I'm giving you everything. Look at this. Yeah, yeah. What I would do for you. Yeah. Roberts had told her he had done something that if somebody found out he would go away forever. Uh, let me narrow down the list. Motherfucker murder. What? Because you've

Stephanie:

done,

Dani:

yeah. Roberts was singled out after he agreed to a DNA test.'cause he might have not have known about the DNA. 2008. Where are you living? Under a rock,

Stephanie:

apparently. Yeah. Yeah. I think some people think either there's no way that I left something, they think they were more careful, two pairs of gloves, or they think that they don't understand the amount of DNA that it, like it's, it can be next to nothing. Mm-hmm. And so they're like, there's just no way. Or they don't understand that DNA is like one in a billion usually. So there's, they're like, yeah, me and a thousand other folks got the same. No, you don't.

Dani:

No,

Stephanie:

you don't.

Dani:

No. Roberts had mostly been unemployed, but sometimes worked in construction or in the animal slaughter industry. Uh, we know that job. Uh, what do you mean? We know that job, not the slaughter part, but we know where that job was. We know like armors? Yes. Oh, okay. Like, yes. He, he, like

Stephanie:

Danny. I've never done

Dani:

that job before. I don't do that. I feel pretty confident saying 99% sure he worked at Armor's. No,

Stephanie:

that's probably at Armor's. A big, big meat packing plant in the, in that time.

Dani:

His most recent job was gathering and selling scrap metal

Stephanie:

drugs, a real job, or are we stealing copper from air conditioners and catalytic converters? That's what he put on his resume.

Dani:

So why the Youngs exactly? The police stated that Roberts was a previous renter of the Youngs. He was not a good tenant, often paying late. And also Roberts had suspected that Bob had reportedly kissed his ex-wife and was, and this outraged him. Drugs. I don't believe that. Drugs, drugs, drugs, police said. he was probably on meth and paranoid. I'm just telling you. Yeah. These people were good people. Police said there is absolutely no evidence to support this claim. He's out there kissing tenants wives.

Stephanie:

I don't believe it. Yeah, not with Idel. No, no, no. Because I'm sure that she, we've rented from an older couple and lemme tell you, she ran the roost. And there would never have been anything that she didn't know about. No. No

Dani:

fuckery, no, he, he was delusional. I think it was him either imagining being paranoid on drugs or trying to just make some pathetic, some type of motive. Excuse. Oh, well I

Stephanie:

had to shut the fuck up. Bob didn't do

Dani:

that. Roberts, pled not guilty, and the trial is set for April of 2010. February 5th, 2010, Roberts just says, he pled guilty to two counts of first degree murder. Oh, for the stabbing of Bob and Idella Young on Christmas Day in 2003. And he, he did this'cause the death penalty was on the table. He will serve two life sentences without the possibility of parole. Roberts is currently 60 years old and in the custody of the Idaho State Correctional Center. As you should be. Go fuck yourself. How

Stephanie:

dare you do that to Bob and Idel.

Dani:

It's so sad because to live your life, this is what breaks my heart. First of all, they're good people, but to for that, to your life, to end that way after they have been good, righteous people. They're whole on Christmas. Yeah. You're a

Stephanie:

dick. Like, and I'm sorry, I know that, you know, people get behind, people struggle to pay rent. This was a different time where rent was way more affordable.

Dani:

Yeah.

Stephanie:

So much like you could be working probably a mini minimum wage job, or it's smidge more and still live in a small location comfortably. You didn't have to have three or four roommates.

Dani:

Right?

Stephanie:

So if you're not paying your rent. Your drug

Dani:

habit's too big, bro. And get a real job instead of scrapping. Yeah, scrapping. We know what that was. Mm-hmm. Shut up.

Stephanie:

Anyway, that's very unfortunate. Yeah. So RIP, Bob and Idel and Rot forever. Roberts. Yes.

Dani:

So I have another one coming up, but Okay. Let's take a break. Let's take a break.

Stephanie:

All right guys, we are back. had a little break. We have our, had our first short story. another story. Kind of in a similar vein, another elderly couple. It sounds like. Is it a couple?

Dani:

It is.

Stephanie:

Alright, well, let's, let's let Danny get into it.

Dani:

there is of course murder, attempted murder, robbery, and a 14-year-old assailant. It two generous people trying to help fellow human beings turns into a disaster. Assholes being assholes. I am still trying to figure out why, my resources for this story are the Daily Sentinel, the Times News, and the Idaho Statesman.

Stephanie:

Thank you Statesman.

Dani:

on January 6th, 1996. William Duke and Dahlman Furman Bull 72 were found dead in their home by a relative in Downey, Idaho. Do you know where Downey's at?

Stephanie:

I do not.

Dani:

Yes. This is why I write this down.

Stephanie:

Thank you.

Dani:

Uh, Downey is about 40 miles south of Pocatello. Hello. Downey is a tiny town where everyone knows each other. The population in 2020 was 571 people.

Stephanie:

Tiny town.

Dani:

So you take off 25 years off of that tiny year? Yeah. Okay. When the emergency medics arrived, they thought at first there might be a chance to revive Dalma. Under Sheriff Lauren Nielsen said it appeared when they were found that they had possibly died in their sleep. The couple had just. Had a new propane, gas furnace installed. It was thought that the couple may have died from carbon monoxide poisoning. The blood on the victims was consistent with asphyxiation because blood vessels can rupture when this up, when, when this happens. Okay, but also, what the fuck were these guys looking at? Hmm. Tell me about it. The coroner finally arrived two or three hours later because they thought that they no emergency passed, and it's out in the middle of nowhere. So the, the, the coroner arrives two or three hours later and he started looking and said, oh, this is homicide. Oops. It was determined the couple died from gunshot wounds. From a 3 57 Magnum,

Stephanie:

A 3 57. How could you confus natural causes? Look, they look so peaceful. They're just little bit a smidge of blood, carbon monoxide poisoning.

Dani:

With a three 50 seven's a big gun. Are we not?

Stephanie:

Are we not Exactly. Are we not taking a flashlight? Are we going into a dark room, seeing some blood, like a trickle of blood outta nose or something and being like, must be the CO2, that new furnace. Let, let's peek around a little. You don't have to touch anything. No, you don't have to move anyone. Look, you can't tell me there wasn't blood like pooling somewhere. Get out of town.

Dani:

The furman's neighbor two miles down the road discovered his horse had been shot. Okay? The same like after autopsies were performed on the deceased and the horse. It was discovered the bullets were a match. Why are we shooting the horse? Uh, hold on. Lemme tell you why please, Danny. Because I just like, what? There's no reason they're just fucking idiots.

Stephanie:

And that makes it even worse. I know. Why? Why would you want to? Horses are so fucking cool. What would make you be like, I'm gonna pop you too. Get outta here. I wish that horse would've kicked you right in the chest.

Dani:

Authorities put the word out with the assistance of the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, tobacco and Firearms. Ooh, a TF and FBI. Let's go. They quickly found out the police were already looking for these men. Ooh. So they were creating some havoc. Apparently the break came when they discovered the same caliber bullet used to kill the furmans and the horse. Was used in another crime a few states away,

Stephanie:

dumb criminals.

Dani:

A warrant was issued out of Colorado for two men. The member suspected in a convenience store, robbery and shooting in Grand Junction, Colorado, just two days earlier on January 4th.

Stephanie:

So y'all are just showing your ass and popping whoever, like, oh, I can't wait to tell you about their car. Okay. It's one thing to Rob and I'm not saying it's okay. I understand why people rob, and they're on the run on a little like mission across the United States for the most part. You usually don't have to be killing people though. So what are we doing?

Dani:

Two men along with a 14-year-old accomplice.

Stephanie:

14. Mm-hmm.

Dani:

Held up Crystal Bunker while she was working at the Gasa Mac convenience store, not the

Stephanie:

Gasa Mac,

Dani:

I hope I'm saying that right. They came into the store and grabbed drinks from the cooler. Then they walked up to Crystal's register, and all of a sudden she heard a pop, like a firecracker. And she said she started to feel numb and tingly before she passed out. She didn't even know. Same, same. When she regained consciousness, blood was dripping down her face. She didn't realize she had been shot.

Stephanie:

Oh my God. She

Dani:

called 9 1 1 to report the robbery. Crystal continued serving customers.

Stephanie:

Employee of the month, year, and decade. Give her an Oscar. Now

Dani:

with a rag wrapped around her head, she pumped gas for a customer at the full service station. What customers

Stephanie:

are like, oh, sweet. You're a head wound. A head wound bleeds profusely. It can be a small slice.

Dani:

That customer is a dick. Uh, yeah. Could you just fill it up? Yeah, I regularly let it. Please. Yeah. I need po

Stephanie:

please. Thank you.

Dani:

Rolls the window back up. Yeah, as blood is dripping down her face, she's like, sure, sure. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck? She returned back inside and sold a can of Copenhagen to another customer before the police arrived.

Stephanie:

She's like, I think something scratched me or something, sweetie. You got a goddamn bullet in ya. Can you believe that? I can because you know, that's how we're trained. Be it, be a good worker. Yep. Jobs are important. Gotta gotta do the best and. Gosh, I would've been like, pump your own gas bitch. This is 96. I think the minimum wage is like$3. Right? I'd be like,

Dani:

pump your own gas. I'm bleeding here. I think you can get it. You know how to pull the pull. Just pull the handle. You can get it. Go can, can you make it home and back here tomorrow? A labor. I know it might be inconvenient to stop on your way to work tomorrow, but look, I just was robbed. Maybe shot in the head. Um, she at least knew she had been robbed. Yeah. I'm, as, I'm kind of assuming that she thought maybe, probably in shock and, uh, maybe she thought maybe she was hit, maybe or just passed out. She, someone punched

Stephanie:

me

Dani:

Right. Or hit her with something. Sure. Or whatever. I just can't, crystal, you're a badass. She's gonna

Stephanie:

rag around her head.

Dani:

She finally found out that she was shot after she heard an x-ray technician say, yep, it's there referring to the

Stephanie:

bullet, and the technicians are not supposed to say anything. I know. You know, But you always see that, that like ultrasound technicians are not supposed to, supposed to give you the news. But you can always watch their face of like, if it's an ultrasound or like someone that's reviewing your X-ray and they're like, I'll have to let the doctor tell you. You're like, but, and this one's just like I, yeah. There's a bullet in there. Yeah, there's a, I would appreciate, thank you. I don't wanna wait another 40 minutes for doctor to, don't send me back to my room

Dani:

and wait. Yes.

Stephanie:

There's a bullet in your head,

Dani:

right? a bullet had grazed her forehead and lodged in the right side of her head. Surgeons were able to remove the bullet from her head, and she spent five days in the hospital, but she got the fucker, the gas. Oh my God. I just, I can't get over that customer. Sorry.

Stephanie:

Good for, good for you. I hope that you are thriving. Whatever's happening. I hope that you were blessed. In some way because goodness gracious girl,

Dani:

the wound left her with some memory loss. Sure. And she has problems with her thought and word processes.

Stephanie:

Bummer. She's alive though, and so wishing you all the best. Well, she sounds like a trooper, so I'm sure that

Dani:

What a bad, she's in the best.

Stephanie:

Yeah.

Dani:

I'm like, I'm, excuse me, I'm not doing shit. I got shot in the literal face. I quit. Gimme a break. These fuckers got away with only 200 bucks. Wow. That was

Stephanie:

worth it. And you probably wouldn't have even needed to shoot her. No. She said she didn't even know what was going on. She just gets shot. Yeah. You didn't even ask. No. Ask for the money. Say, I need that money, please. I have a gun. and she'd been like, here. She sounds eager to serve. Yeah. She's pumping people's gas with a bullet in her fucking brain. Come on.

Dani:

Arrest warrants were issued for the two men, and a description of their vehicle was released. Hell yeah. The men were driving a 1979 Pontiac Sunbird. That was cream on the front and red on the rear. Very distinct vehicle.

Stephanie:

Very

Dani:

deme.

Stephanie:

It's not demure.

Dani:

They also Mm, no. Washington license plates, dates, bros. Get, get a can of spray paint. Let's an, an officer in Clarkston, Washington recognized the waterman's vehicle and followed it back to their hotel room because they knew they were from Washington. They, they knew who these people, the license plates, they knew of them. They're like, oh, this area. So of course they're letting, oh, those guys, they're letting everybody know, the police. The police just called their room and advised both men to surrender. You imagine that, oh, maybe

Stephanie:

it's. The front desk. Maybe they got that BHS that we

Dani:

did. My pizza get delivered, bro.

Stephanie:

Got a, they have I ordered room service. So we got, we got that 200 bucks. I ordered some room service. Oh. Um, it's, it's a sheriff or some officers.

Dani:

My pay-per-view porn is not working.

Stephanie:

but Oh, the cops, we need to exit now.

Dani:

Oh, guess it's over, bro. They peacefully surrendered at 4:00 AM They thought about it for a minute. They're like,

Stephanie:

they called a room. They know where we're at. We got the gun here. The car's outside. Yeah, and how, how that is damir and mindful of the cops to be like, listen up, let's not make this a big thing. Can you just come outside because we're here,

Dani:

other people are sleeping in this home. We're here.

Stephanie:

You're

Dani:

here and there's people sleeping and they're on vacation, so let's not be assholes. Okay? I mean, you've already done enough asshole stuff. Yeah, let's, let's just clean this. You got your 3

Stephanie:

57, but we've got literally 20 guns on you right now. Let's go. So let's go

Dani:

James Harvey Hairston 19 and Richard James. Clip full 28. Yes, that's a hard one to say. Are being held on the warrant from Colorado for attempted murder and armed robbery. Idaho detectives say We, on our way, we're coming and in a short amount of time, of course, January 16th, Harrison is charged with two counts of first degree murder and clip full with two counts of being a principal to first degree murder for the Idaho crimes. Colorado doesn't matter now.

Stephanie:

Idaho's like literally home my beer. We'll, what? We'll take care of it. That's exactly, we'll take care of it. Just let

Dani:

Idaho have'em. plus each is being charged with one can of robbery. The complaint states they took. This is from the Furmans in Idaho. That poor elderly couple. Mm-hmm. Lost their life over$30 in cash. A phone calling card. A credit card, and a saxophone.

Stephanie:

This is just so pathetic. It isn't funny at all, but it's just ridiculous. They're like, I know I can pawn on this saxophone. They're hauling around. A fucking saxophone that they stole from an elderly couple and$30. This is almost as bad as the other one. That was$18 and change. Yeah. A, B and e.

Dani:

What? What was the reason, and could you please explain for the youngsters, the phone calling card?

Stephanie:

Oh, yeah. So if you wanted to dial long distance. Ooh, you can't just dial long distance. You have to pay for those. So you get a phone calling card and that gives you minutes on like a payphone or really any phone. And it's not going on your phone bill'cause it's hella expensive. Very, the long distance calling. This is why area code to area code was a big deal. And so Idaho. Just recently got a second area code, so it wasn't a big deal here. But in bigger cities like New York, la, if you met someone and their area code was different than you, that's big time spending to call someone. So it was like it could break up a possible relationship if you're trying to date someone. It's like, I can't be spending$20 a night talking to you.

Dani:

And it was seriously, it was like 20 cents a minute to call from like Nampa to Boise, which is literally. 20 minutes away. Figuratively.

Stephanie:

Yeah. But like that's how it is in like New York and everything.

Dani:

Uhhuh. but if you bought these calling cards, you could get like discount minutes. Yes. To be the less So it was more

Stephanie:

effective. So you could be Mr. Worldwide if you wanted to

Dani:

Anyways. They're old school. Old old school. These two fuckers could face the death penalty'cause we're in Idaho. That's why they said I'll take care of it. Mm-hmm. So trial dates are set and a gag order was issued on the case. Okay. Cliff Fill decided to cut a deal with the prosecution to avoid the death penalty in August. Who's gonna cut the deal first? That's literally, mm-hmm.

Stephanie:

That's, and I wish that people knew this because whoever folds first is usually gonna get the best deal, and it sucks. But that's how it is. So realize other people's loyalty to you and your loyalty to them, because,

Dani:

uh, and I didn't write this down, but they're. So there's an age, a 10 year age difference between these two guys. Right. I saw that. It was very weird to me. So there was an age difference, a 10 year age difference between these two, and the older guy was. You would assume was the ringleader like telling everybody what to do. Mm-hmm. And one of the prosecutors, I didn't write this down, but literally was quoted in the newspaper saying, cliff Full is one of the most stupidest men I've ever met. And there is no way he could have put this all together. Even as asinine as, is that a word? As even their plan that was so asinine and just reckless, he couldn't even give him that.

Stephanie:

Wow. What a weird power dynamic. Yeah. For someone to say that in the news. Yeah. And be like. It was quoted, no, but he's, he's literally a dipshit, so he's very fucking stupid,

Dani:

is what he wanted to say. so he, he did the deal with the prosecutors. he pled guilty to two counts of being a principal to first degree murder, and agreed to testify against Hairston to avoid the death penalty. Took the plea. Little backtracking here. Actually, it's not backtracking. We're, we're gonna head over to Colorado for a hot minute. What's Colorado doing? The 14-year-old Matthew Brickey was charged as an adult in Colorado. Oh shit. For the robbery. Oh,

Stephanie:

cause he was part of that one.

Dani:

Yeah, he was part of that one. He admitted to being there. Uh, brickie ended up pleading guilty as a juvenile to attempted first degree murder and was sentenced to five years in a juvenile detention facility. This will be the only conviction for the crime in Colorado because Idaho has it. Yeah, Idaho has

Stephanie:

it. I I can see that I would, if, if I was Crystal or Crystal's family, I would want them to also have. At least some more years hanging over their heads here, but at least the 14-year-old still got, what are you doing out there shooting a clerk for no reason.

Dani:

I'll say this, I, I read later, that Brickie was doing well in his juvenile detention and they wanted to move him to another facility where he could get. More things, better things. and Crystal was there and he apologized to Crystal profusely. He said, I'm so sorry. I sh I can't believe that, you know, I was participant in possibly, you know, taking your life. This, he sounded very sincere and I looked him up and I couldn't find anything. After this, so, well at

Stephanie:

14, you know, you're, you're not cut out to be making decisions like that. So that's good to hear that. And so it sounds like he did pretty

Dani:

okay after this was a good, he did his thing. I'm assuming he probably got bullied into it or was the with the wrong people at the wrong time. Maybe he knew about it. Stayed straight. Yeah. so in September of that year, the trial begins for Hairston in opening statements, bannock County prosecutor, mark Heideman, told jurors that hair fired two bullets into each one of the victim's heads. And then the pair ransacked the home for cash. Mm-hmm. And credit cards Oh my God. I hope I say this name right. The public defender, Randy Schul said it was. A clip full that fired the deadly bullets. And the only reason Harrison was the one that used the credit cards and pawn stolen items, AKA saxophone, was that he was the only one with identification. Okay? Mm, weak sauce. O clip full gets on the stand and testifies. He said that they had run outta money by the time they got to Idaho. The 200 bucks went fast, right? Yeah. They chose the rural house because it looked like someone lived there. He was under the impression that they were just gonna go in and ask for help or money. The couple invited the men into the house after inquiring about help. So that's, they're good people. They're like, no, come on in. Duke was looking through a telephone book for a number of someone he thought might have some work for the men trying to help them. Mm-hmm. And that's when Harriston pulled out the pistol and shot him in the head. Harrison shot Dharma twice and then turned back to Duke and shot him once more. Can we just go back to the evidence? The very beginning? Yeah. Yeah.

Stephanie:

And the, so this is like on the floor, I'm assuming? Well, they're not in bed. They're no. Actively

Dani:

looking in a, I didn't, I don't get it. Natural causes. He's on the floor with a phone book open. It just, it makes no sense.

Stephanie:

No,

Dani:

After shooting the fermans, that's when they went through the house and they collected the$30, the phone card, credit card, and such. The two men after leaving there purchased toy remote control cars, tires, food, gas, and lodging with a stolen credit card.

Stephanie:

Were the remote controlled cars necessary because that's making me want to punch my microphone.

Dani:

They also attempted to purchase a Harley Davidson motorcycle.

Stephanie:

Oh, are you gonna ride back to back? You got your passenger behind you. You got your

Dani:

backpack and$2,500 worth of snowboarding equipment, but the credit card was rejected.

Stephanie:

We're gonna go boarding and have a Harley, me and you

Dani:

best bros for life. This is the fucking, like, I'm gonna strap my board actually to the Harley. Oh, our boards can fit right? Like right on the sides

Stephanie:

and then I can be behind you. We're on a Harley and our, our hair, our mullets are going in the wind, bro. And it's me and you. Please shut the fuck up. I,

Dani:

on September 10th, the jury deliberated for only two hours before finding Hairston guilty of murdering Duke and Dalma because they did. Mm-hmm. They're like, okay. we agree. Okay, cool. Let's just sit here for a minute.

Stephanie:

Yeah. We'll just make sure everyone you can marinate with it. If anything comes up, just let us know.

Dani:

Everybody's provided with a copy of the jury instructions. I feel like we should read those thoroughly and then have a vote. That's what happened.

Stephanie:

Anything, any red flags, anything anyone wants to bring up? They're like, I got nothing chief. I got nothing. Alright, let's tell the judge.

Dani:

Gotta give him 15 minutes to sign all the paperwork. Well, and they probably get a snack or something like, yeah. Cliff fill is officially sentenced in October. He is sentenced to life with a possibility of parole after 20 years. On November 15th, Harrison's sentenced to death for the murders and is also sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the robbery. I love when they do this'cause they're just like,

Stephanie:

you're never getting out. You're never

Dani:

getting out. So go ahead and appeal. Go ahead. And he does in 1997, here we go. Appeals, appeals, appeals, hairston's, post-conviction relief hearing is about ineffective counsel, of course. And a stay is granted by the Supreme Court for the automatic review as they do. In 99, the US Supreme Court upheld the death penalty for Hairston. He still has several appeal processes available. Mm-hmm. Here we go. In oh seven, a petition in front of the Idaho State Supreme Court argued that only juries, not judges, can hand down the death penalty. The court declined his claim saying he waited too long to raise those issues. Oh. Which I am having a hard time understanding from other research that I've done, but this is a later case. So I think when all of that stuff was happening was like 2002, 2003, it's like, why didn't you jump

Stephanie:

in? Like, yeah, we've known about this for a while. Mm-hmm. We've, we've kind of settled this and now I'm not, I don't know how that, how all that works. Yeah. But. If that's what they said and it, that's how it went way they told him to go down. Sand

Dani:

is what they did. Yeah. 2015, cliff is advised 15. Cliff is advised he's being held on a$250,000 bond for warrant for attempted first degree murder, aggravated robbery, first degree assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor theft in Colorado.

Stephanie:

Oh shit. Now you're really fucked, buddy. This

Dani:

is right before his chance to go up in front of the parole board. 20 years. Oh. Do you see it, sister? 20 years. Whoa. Surprise, surprise. They're like, surprise, surprise. They're like, oh yeah, that other thing. So just if you get out of this thing, just know you're not going anywhere, just in case. Uh, we

Stephanie:

also know about the same shit you did here. So we're gonna be asking you about, about that. You wanted to see the

Dani:

Rockies? Yep. Come on.

Stephanie:

Mile High clap.

Dani:

Let's go. Come on over. in 2020, an appeal is rejected by the I Supreme Court Harrison, stating he was too young to be sentenced to death. So this was his argument because as we know, times have changed and evolved. Yeah. And so even though you're allowed to go to war at 18, a lot of people thinking that you're probably not. Well, we developed it. It your friend Lo

Stephanie:

isn't developed. Right. So I get it. So you're

Dani:

saying because he was under 21 that he shouldn't and that the Supreme Court said, yeah, that's only for people under the age of 18. We don't give a shit. So sorry about your luck. He was trying that angle though, so

Stephanie:

that probably was the last

Dani:

angle left. Yeah. Well, currently in 2025. Hairston is 48 and currently residing at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution. Ville 57 is also at the Idaho State Correctional Facility. Best Friends for Life, that plea deal. Said him no favors, none so. And I have a little tidbit of news.

Stephanie:

Ooh, yes. There was an update.'cause this in Idaho. This might

Dani:

affect Harrison, who, by the way, was the youngest person ever be put on 19. Mm-hmm.

Stephanie:

Very young.

Dani:

Seriously. A kid.

Stephanie:

But seriously, you should know not to shoot people. Yeah. But we've mentioned several times that the laws have been kind of ever changing recently since Creech and since Creches failed, execution attempt, for the firing squad. And so the firing squad was already approved, but there's an update to that. So I'll let Danny tell you'cause she knows more.

Dani:

So last week the House of Representatives passed, it

Stephanie:

was

Dani:

the House and the

Stephanie:

Senate, right?

Dani:

Right. That last week was the house. Okay. And they voted within 10 minutes, it was approved. There was no arguing. but this week it was in front of the Idaho Senate and they voted 28 to seven. To establish the Firing Squad as the primary method of execution. It currently is a secondary method. The bill is on its way to the Governor Brad Little's desk, and is expected to be signed. It will go into effect July 1st, 2026. Idaho is one of five states that authorizes the firing squad. But Idaho will be the only state to have the firing Squad as the primary method, and this surprised me. The most recent use of the Firing Squad was in Utah in 2010.

Stephanie:

I didn't know that. Yeah,

Dani:

I didn't either. And also South Carolina is scheduled to execute an inmate by Firing Squad on March 7th. So this, that'll be after this episode's released. Oh my God. Yeah. So, I think we've discussed this before. I don't know if it, it made it anywhere. Yeah. God, it's not

Stephanie:

something that we are like, rooting on or agree with, but it's, this is what's happening in our state.

Dani:

Yeah. But I wanted to tell you stuff I looked up. I think we've had discussions about what does that look like? What yeah does that execution method look like, right? Because we all know about lethal injection. They give you some drugs, you fall asleep, blah, blah, blah. They push all the things, right? Mm-hmm. I have no idea how the firing squad works, so, got a little, okay, let's hear it. and this is from, the website, death penalty info.org. And there's a whole disturbing section about methods of execution. It was disturbing to read, but this is for the firing squad for execution. By this method, the prisoner is typically bound to a chair with leather straps across his waist and head in front of an oval shaped canvas wall. The chair is surrounded by sandbags to absorb the prisoner's blood. A black hood is pulled over the prisoner's head. A doctor locates the prisoner's heart with a stethoscope and pins a circular white cloth target over it. standing in an enclosure. 20 feet away. Five shooters are armed with 30 caliber rifles loaded with single rounds. One of the shooters is given blank rounds. That surprised me.

Stephanie:

Just one.

Dani:

Just one.

Stephanie:

I thought it was the opposite that only me too, only one had, but I mean, then if someone has a bad aim, I'm not right.

Dani:

Go like, yes, let's do, but that's, I thought it was so they're giving doubt. Like what? I don't like those odds. Like I'm probably gonna have,

Stephanie:

I mean, and so everyone can be like, I probably have the blank. Yep. That's why they do it. So everyone can

Dani:

have the

Stephanie:

Okay.

Dani:

Uh, but South Carolina's execution protocol calls for the use of three shooters, each of whom is provided live rounds. Okay. Each of the shooter aims his rifle through a slot in the canvas and fires at the prisoner.

Stephanie:

So it feels like the way it is here is to give someone some, just for their own mindset that it might have not been something liability. Yep. Of, I might've had the blank, but there they're like, no, you hit'em or you didn't. I don't know. You shot at him.

Dani:

So anyways, that was the new, I just felt, because what we discuss on a weekly basis is death penalty cases and also the reasoning, I understand the reasoning behind these lawmakers because they, and it was argued that there is so many issues with lethal injection being raised And we've discussed this before, but to sentence somebody to die and then not have a method to do it. Yeah. We've we've discussed that before. How that's like. They said that that was, um,

Stephanie:

that's cruel and unusual.

Dani:

Right, right. And so

Stephanie:

anyway, I don't know how I feel about I, it's just news. So almost all of our cases are in Idaho. Some are Washington, Idaho, or just really close around here. But especially since we've done so many death penalty cases, it was just a. Poignant piece of, of news that came down recently. I think it was today. Yeah, it was just today. By the time it reaches y'all we're, we're always a couple weeks by the time we post'em. But anyway, crazy update, I think 2026. July, 2026. Mm-hmm. Is what they said.'cause they're building the facility. they're like taking a block of the prison that wasn't used or something. Yeah, yeah.

Dani:

They, they had given$750,000 to do this, I think last year or the year before. Mm-hmm. When the whole co kohlberg thing came down. Yeah. And because it, it has been the backup method, but,

Stephanie:

and Creech was a big, another big thing where there like,

Dani:

that was a fail. That was a hard fall. That, no. So, and I do think, yeah. I. I, I don't know how I feel

Stephanie:

about it. It's because it puts why they're so concerned is because with the fail of Cree is if, if you are putting someone through that, that can affect every death penalty case mm-hmm. Across the entire United States. Mm-hmm. So that's what they're worried about. Yep. Whether you agree with it or not, they're like, if we can't get this to work and are putting someone through this, this could jeopardize. And be just a mess, essentially. So that's why they're doing it. But I hope that you guys en like enjoyed the two, two episode format. some crazy stories that we had today to, I know The Poor Youngs

Dani:

and the poor Furmans who had lived these good

Stephanie:

lives and we're trying to help people. Yeah, overall and just overall, unfortunately some really bad actors. Came into contact with them. So,

Dani:

you know, to live this is what a, a horrible way to go out for, for these folks. Well, what a

Stephanie:

shame for the people that did this.

Dani:

Yeah. And these people lived these long lives. They were good people. And then you got some assholes out here killing elderly people. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Stephanie:

Go fuck yourselves. Yeah, go fuck yourselves, please rot. until next time, follow us. We, we literally made three or four tiktoks today. We were sweating. Um, so I hope you appreciate, just a fun little thing because. We think you guys' comments and everything are so hilarious when we do post them. so please comment. We love to see it. Email us at the lethal library@gmail.com. If you have questions, concerns, you have a tip, you have a case you want us to look into, we're happy to review it. But thank you again for listening. We have so much fun with you guys. So until next time, ten four, Robert Dicky. Fuck yeah.

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