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21. Chaos in Jerome: The Charboneau Chronicles

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Welcome back to another wild ride with The Lethal Library! Stephanie and Dani dive into the bonkers case of JD Charboneau and Marilyn Arbaugh. This episode features everything from frying pans to crossbows. We track Charboneau's journey, Marilyn's shocking death, courtroom drama, and endless appeals. It's a whirlwind of relationships gone terribly wrong, shady lawyers, and even some spirit communication. And let's not forget Charboneau's mom's poetic outbursts! Catch up with us as we break down the absurdity and aftermath of this true crime rollercoaster. Enjoy the drama, relish the sarcasm, and bristle at the injustice—this one’s a doozy!

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Stephanie:

Alright folks, welcome back to another episode of The Lethal Library. I am Stephanie.

Dani:

I'm Danny,

Stephanie:

and we are a True Crime podcast. We talk about cases mostly in the Pacific Northwest. and today Danny's gonna be telling us a story of yet another dumb criminal. What do we got on the plate? Danny?

Dani:

I didn't even write an intro for this. I didn't know where to start. So let's just get straight into it. Let's jump in On August 3rd, 1983 in Shoshone, Idaho, Jamie Charvin was shot by Marilyn Arbor. After an alleged sexual attack of Marilyn's youngest daughter, age 13, yikes. Marilyn unloaded her 22 caliber gun into the side of Charvin O'S truck. While he was in it, bullets hit him in the right elbow and leg. She was charged with aggravated assault. Salt in August of 83, but earlier that year in January, Marilyn and her father James had went to the Jerome County prosecutor, Dan Adamson, in an effort to put OW in jail, Marilyn had bruises from a reported fight with Char, but because Marilyn admitted to hitting char in the head with a frying pan. Adamson said the couple had engaged in a mutual combat and that he was unable to press charges to

Stephanie:

hit someone in the head with a frying pan. If that's how it starts, that's one thing, but if that's what you do to try to stop it, that means it was pretty intense. I've almost hit someone in the head with a frying pan once. No shit. I'll tell you the story later, but, yeah, like literally, you know how you can, I'm really good at flipping a fry pan in my hand from working at like fast food restaurant or like restaurants. so I was like, you're gonna get it. You're gonna get it. I'm doing the shit it with someone attacking someone else. Oh,

Dani:

okay.

Stephanie:

Not attacking you. So that's why. But so if a frying Pam's involved and it's not the initial contact. Someone's probably acting up,

Dani:

but she also, while he was in his truck, I'm assuming trying to leave. Yeah. You can't shoot people when they're sleeping, just unloaded her

Stephanie:

gun, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. A lot of people don't know that. They're like, even, even if someone was stabbing you, if they are running outta your house leaving, gotta be careful with your gun laws in your state. They're different everywhere. Take a concealed carry class. They'll let you know what, what's under the law and what isn't. You can't just shoot someone'cause they're on your property in most states anyway.

Dani:

charges against Marilyn were later dropped right before her trial because of an incident in Jerome County where Char Bruno attacked Maryland. I. Lincoln County prosecutor Doug Rose, stated he had instructed ow to stay away from Maryland and avoid any contact, but char ow com compromised the case by contacting her and I don't know the level of the, I don't know, attacked I, there was no details, but there was some interaction there that he

Stephanie:

was where he shouldn't have been.

Dani:

Yeah. It's like, oh, the lady that shot you up? Yeah. Don't fucking talk to her. Do not be around her.

Stephanie:

Don't go to her place of work. Don't, eh,

Dani:

you see her

Stephanie:

in the grocery store.

Dani:

Turn the other way. Yeah. Something happened. So

Stephanie:

anyways, drama all over the town.

Dani:

And we're just getting started. Um, so I don't know. Marilyn was off the hook for shooting, unloading a gun into the side. They said, uh, you know what? Yeah. Okay. On June 13th, 1984, Marilyn, age 36 and Char. 24 had their divorce finalized. They had only been married for a year before they separated.

Stephanie:

Ooh, that escalated quickly.

Dani:

Yeah. Uh, they met in July of 1982 and had a very stormy relationship. So, I mean, we're two years into this relationship. Divorce has already filed back and forth fighting, whirlwind

Stephanie:

of drama. I mean, I think we've all seen that kind of relationship before, whether it's your own or your friends or your families. I think we're, we're getting the vibes here. I just

Dani:

think if you're shooting at your partner.

Stephanie:

Red flag, at least one. Where's the red flag guy? Yes. We need the gigantic red flag like this. It's gone too far there. I don't know how you reclaim a relationship after things like this. No. And this is happening after like a year?

Dani:

Yeah.

Stephanie:

How do you get back? I don't care who the therapist is. You're not therapy yourself. Out of this.

Dani:

It's not fixing. No, they were in a constant state in those two years of breaking up and getting back together and apparently shooting each other and, or shooting,

Stephanie:

shooting, frying, pan, all of that shit sick.

Dani:

A warrant was issued for Char in late June, 1984. He was charged with first degree kidnapping and rape. Oh my God. Marilyn told police that on June 21st, sharp, Bruno kidnapped her as she left work as Marilyn was leaving her waitressing job. At the Butte Cafe, he entered her car and refused to leave. Do you think this was the only restaurant in Butte?

Stephanie:

Is it the only restaurant in Butte? I,

Dani:

I kind of feel like it was,

Stephanie:

there's maybe two

Dani:

small town charvin. sharper note, then choked her until she became unconscious. When she woke up, she was in Lincoln County where he raped her. Marilyn was able to finally escape while her car was stopped at a stop sign. She escaped from the vehicle. Marilyn's car was later found high centered on a rough road, and completely burned in Yhe County. Yeah.

Stephanie:

Completely burned.

Dani:

Mm-hmm. And also, I did read reports where the VIN had been removed. This is so funny. So I, I'm sorry. It's funny. So the VIN had been removed in the obvious places, where you see it, you know, yeah. Back in the day on the door in the, in the dash, whatever. But. One. One newspaper reported, but they found the VIN in a hidden place that's only known to police.

Stephanie:

Oh, super. Secret police, vin. Well, I mean now most of these cars have like the computers in them that can tell em exactly how fast you were going. Did you break? But yeah, no, that's a great idea. Even for just stolen cars to have a secret vin and why wouldn't they? How much does that cost?

Dani:

But there was a secret vin hidden secret vin, Later her backpack was found. In Battle Mountain, Nevada.

Stephanie:

Damn.

Dani:

You're gonna see what's going on. And lemme just tell you about Char.

Stephanie:

Tell me about Char.

Dani:

He was a rodeo man. I.

Stephanie:

Oh, so the Montana and everything's coming into play here,

Dani:

and Hawaii County. Yeah. And all that stuff. He, even pictures of him, he is dressed in like those cowboy shirts that have like, they're buttoned and then they have that extra flap. Oh yeah. Yep. Yeah. That's over. Mm-hmm. Like, and the little bow tie thing. Bolero. Like the string, not the string, the actual scarf.

Stephanie:

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you feeling the vibes? I feel the vibes. Okay. And listen, rodeos around this part of the country, not only this part, but there's many states where rodeo is a huge thing and these boys are like rock stars, even if they're not making it big or winning all the time.

Dani:

And he, he's 24 and she's 36. Yeah. What are we doing? What are we doing? I, I don't even think I could relate.

Stephanie:

I thought it was the other way. I didn't realize that. I wrote down the ages, but not with the names. So thank you for clarifying. Yeah.

Dani:

and also you're going to hear about Marilyn's daughter who was 17. Awkward. Not good. No. And, and, yeah, there's, it's just

Stephanie:

the fuckery is real.

Dani:

Yeah. I don't, I mean, Marilyn was beautiful still. I just, for me, the, the finding that commonality, like, yes. Thank you. Is that a word?

Stephanie:

Yeah. Look at, look at the vocabulary on this. One I do read. Have you been in your thesaurus

Dani:

on July 1st, sharper, went to Marilyn's home in Jerome, Idaho and let her horses out of the corral. Marilyn saw they were out and went out to gather the horses back in, into the corral. Mm-hmm. at 11:38 AM Marilyn's two daughters called the Jerome Sheriff's Office and said they heard shots fired. Tiffany Arbaugh, Marilyn's daughter picked up her mother's rifle and went to the barn. Marilyn was sitting on the ground and Sano was standing over her. Sano turned and pointed the gun at Tiffany and told her to leave. Marilyn also told her daughter to leave. She did. She's like, go.

Stephanie:

Both of them were saying to leave, but very gutsy. Grabbing that rifle girl. I'm very proud of her being, oh, she wasn't loosen up

Dani:

wasn't, she wasn't fucking around. I love that. See what's going

Stephanie:

on out here. But then both of them telling you to leave, like, ugh, for a kid. Mm-hmm.

Dani:

Uh, au told Tiffany he was going to take her mother to the hospital. Tiffany went back into the house where she heard more shots. Oh my God. Yeah. I can't even imagine how scared I would be

Stephanie:

today As an adult.

Dani:

Yeah,

Stephanie:

as a teenager. Fuck

Dani:

Tiffany then grabbed her mother's car keys, so Char Bruno couldn't leave. Smart girl. She ran back to the barn to find Marilyn lying on the ground and Char Bruno was gone. The daughters called the Sheriff again saying their mother was dying, and that Char Bruno had fled into a field near the barn. Marilyn had been shot 15 times. You got

Stephanie:

to be shitting me. That's out of fucking control. Especially knowing that someone else knows, knows that what you're doing out here, like I am so happy that he didn't go for those girls because

Dani:

isn't it, we just, at that

Stephanie:

point you think your brain would be like. Well, she already knows that we're out here and I've got a gun. She heard the shots. I gotta go take care of business. So I'm just so glad that I think he knew that she was gonna shoot him.

Dani:

I think so too. Sharp. Bruno was arrested a short time later. In the field behind Marilyn's home. Just to kind of give you an idea of what Jerome, it's Jerome is desert

Stephanie:

and like some farmland,

Dani:

a lot of farmland, but also a lot of sagebrush. Mm-hmm. Uh, so when they say a field, I just imagine just sage brush and dirt. Yeah. Out there. I mean, it could have been a. It could have been a farmer's field. actually now that I say that, I do believe it was a wheat field now that I'm remembering my research, because they were looking for items out there and it was very difficult. So yes, it was a wheat field, but still there's lots of stage brush. And Jerome, it's. It's fucking, it's Nevada Desert.

Stephanie:

Yeah. High desert.

Dani:

you think of the hangover where they meet in the desert. Yeah. That's southern Idaho.

Stephanie:

And a lot of people don't realize what High desert is because they're like Idaho. You get so much snow. How could it be a desert? It with the amount of actual precipitation you get. It is, it's a different desert than like sand dunes. Even though Idaho does have sand dunes. Surprise, surprise.

Dani:

The largest sand dune in North America.

Stephanie:

We've, listen, Idaho has everything, so, and then some boom. Um, but yeah, high desert climate. And so it affects like what plants you can have here. A lot of people come here and are just so surprised how dry it is and all their house plants die because, or they buy like whole house humidifiers because they just like it better or they have lots of plants. So it's a very interesting and diverse climate that Idaho has. So high desert. Look it up.

Dani:

Char Bruno 24 was charged with first degree murder, first degree kidnapping, and grand theft in Jerome County. He was also charged with rape in Lincoln County. And these are, I just, drum and Lincoln are like,

Stephanie:

they're besties.

Dani:

Yeah, they're besties, they're bestie counties. they're right next to each other. Defense attorney Golden Bennett asked Jerome County officials to move Char Bruno from the Jerome County Jail to another location for his safety. Someone had apparently banged on an outside jail window and shouted your dead meat in the area where she was confined.

Stephanie:

Well, so was it two though? How did they know if he didn't? There's other inmates in there.

Dani:

Didn't it say, Mr. Jamie, ow, you're dead meat. They just said you're dead meat. But also,

Stephanie:

and this somebody was really saying that in a threatening tone, was that lingo so popular that you would say, you're dead meat.

Dani:

83,

Stephanie:

you are dead me. And it's a serious threat. Now. That's like something I would, I would, I would, it was probably some

Dani:

15-year-old kid that was dared to do it.

Stephanie:

Right. Go tell those.

Dani:

And how do you touch the jail windows? I just, yeah, I don't know. I just walk up to the ADA County Canyon County jail and just bang on some windows.

Stephanie:

Knock, knock. Hey, how y'all doing?

Dani:

You're dead

Stephanie:

meat. You're dead meat. I'm gonna start use, I'm gonna bring, we're gonna, we're bringing it back. We're bringing dead meat back. Well, I guess I can't recommend this for everyone because your HR might not make a point too kindly. But maybe the next time Rick pisses me off. I'm gonna say, you're dead meat. Will you record a please, pal? Listen, pal, you're skating on thin ice. Dead meat. Meat. You're dead meat. So now he needs a transfer because of that. Wow. Very sensitive.

Dani:

I do have to tell you. No, I'll tell you later. Okay. Uh, in August, Charvin Oak pleads not guilty to all the charges. Oh, NAMI, NAMI. I was

Stephanie:

nowhere near there.

Dani:

This is, this was bizarro to me. Do you like my made up word there? Bizaro.

Stephanie:

I think that's a fish probably in the dictionary.

Dani:

Two trial dates are set. October 1st is for the murder trial. And December 3rd for the kidnapping and grand theft charge.

Stephanie:

Are we putting the horses before the cart or the carriage or whatever the saying is?

Dani:

Why?

Stephanie:

Because if you get, I mean, te test your theories on the kidnapping and if you lose that. Sucks. Oh, well now you have. Now you know what the defense is gonna do, strategery. Folks, what is happening here?

Dani:

The trial dates are set by the case number. The murder charge paperwork was returned to the judge before the other charges. Therefore it will be tried first.

Stephanie:

I feel like as a lawyer, you've gotta find a way to slow down one over the other then and be like, oh, we're waiting on a such and such. Can't do that one. It

Dani:

really wasn't the, and listen, it was the prosecutors. They're the one that files the charges. So maybe it was some strategery. There's another made up word, Mr. Golden Bennett is not happy with that and he wants to move the trial date. It's plus

Stephanie:

slave queen.

Dani:

He has a vacation planned. Super slave queen. Golden said. No one consulted him about his calendar. When the dates were set, judge said, not my job. I'm here to make sure we have a fair trial not to consult others' calendars.

Stephanie:

Especially for a vacation. I mean, let's think of a better excuse. This is But Golden

Dani:

wanted to go. I'm supposed to be in Cancun. No, he is probably going like, oh, let me picture what his vaca. He probably was going to Reno,

Stephanie:

like he's going that far or is he going to jackpot?

Dani:

No, I feel like they could

Stephanie:

get there easier. Yeah.

Dani:

I not even that feel like the

Stephanie:

Reno

Dani:

jackpot would be beneath him. Vegas, he would be too far above him. Mm-hmm. So I feel like he's a Reno. Kind of a gonna cry.

Stephanie:

Hey, I can respect it.

Dani:

I think he's an Reno kind of an attorney because he is literally working out of Jerome.

Stephanie:

Listen, they had a suite on the corner in Reno. At the Motel six, a suite, but judge didn't care, so

Dani:

Judge said You're burnt. Cancel your family. Vacate to Reno. Golden. Probably had all of his kids loaded up. They're gonna take him to the Circus. Circus.

Stephanie:

Yes. Drop'em at Circus. Circus. We're good. They're, they're, this is all made up because they're like

Dani:

fucking, they're like eight and 10. They give'em like 40 bucks and be like, yeah, mom and dad will be back in like three hours, hours. Don't talk to strangers.

Stephanie:

Six business weeks. We'll be back.

Dani:

Oh, Okay, golden Files a motion to exhume Marilyn's body.

Stephanie:

Oh Lord.

Dani:

He is claiming that Marilyn's daughter, Tiffany, age 17, shot her. Ooh, that is dirty. Do you see why I said Reno? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I

Stephanie:

understand the law. The thinking behind it. But that is, I mean, I know this is in eighties, but surely they know the difference between a rifle and what was he using?

Dani:

A pistol.

Stephanie:

Oh, they got a,

Dani:

okay, please. No, Steph.

Stephanie:

Oh my God.

Dani:

Wait. Hmm. Golden. Might have been on to. A reasonable

Stephanie:

reason for this. Okay. Oh gosh. It's gonna come up now. I'm terrified.

Dani:

No, it's Charvin is claiming he saw Tiffany. Shoot her mother. And I wanna apologize, Tiffany, if I am saying your name wrong.'cause it, it's not Tiffany. It's Tiffany. So I'm trying to really say it correctly. Okay? Okay. Golden wants a detailed autopsy saying the pathologist. Failed to make a complete autopsy and testified during the preliminary hearing that he had left some bullets in Marilyn's body. Golden wants those bullets to be retrieved and tested.

Stephanie:

I mean, if it's true, that's a valid concern. They, I feel like that should never be. Left because that's evidence.

Dani:

Same. Same. But listen to this, oh Lord. Deputy Sheriff Larry Webb said exhuming, the body is unnecessary. He personally was there for the autopsy. And the bullets that were left in Marilyn's body were too fragmented to be useful in any test.

Stephanie:

This is

Dani:

83. Yeah. Yeah. In another motion, the defense is asking for a jury to come from northern Idaho because Marilyn born, raised there. Lots of family, lots of friends, and this newspaper. Mm, they were.

Stephanie:

Spilling T? Yes. Okay.

Dani:

Um, yeah, they were all about it. Also, Mr. Goldie is talking shit.

Stephanie:

Alright, Goldie, what you got?

Dani:

He said he's surprised that the Jerome County prosecutor, Dan Adamson, has not removed himself from the case. Adamson's brother John was formerly married to Marilyn,

Stephanie:

a former sister-in-law. Yeah, he has a valid point, but I, and I, listen, I gotta say I like the delivery. Oh, I'm surprised. It's so like 14-year-old teenage girl. Yeah. Like. Oh listen sweetheart, that's so weird.

Dani:

Adamson basically said eat shit golden. I would prosecute my former sister-in-law. Suspected killer

Stephanie:

and what suck it. Appeals be damned motherfucker. We do what we want. Very Idaho. Very Idaho.

Dani:

You're not the boss of me. Even if you're No, and I'm in my research, Adamson was like, I have no ill will against, like, I have no ill will against my former sister-in-law. Like I, why would I even have? But also on the flip side, now that I'm thinking about that own argument in my head. If Adamson might be a little shady because of the alleged abuse against

Stephanie:

obviously being, seeing her beat the heck outta. Yeah.

Dani:

So there's kids involved and I don't know the relationship with the kids. They weren't his nieces, but

Stephanie:

it was very, it was volatile, no matter how you want to look at it. Yeah. Even, you know, if we're getting to the point of shooting and bruises that make someone drop your case about a shooting and a frying pan, this is out of control. No level's good, but this is far beyond.

Dani:

He was the one though.

Stephanie:

Oh, who was,

Dani:

Adamson was the one. I'm gonna go look. Adamson was the one when Marilyn and her dad. I believe he was the one that was like, there's no, I can't help you. It, he was so

Stephanie:

what? A tangled web.

Dani:

so, uh, golden. Did you not look at that? Like Adam's uh, he sounds like he's being pretty fair.

Stephanie:

Yeah, he already, she probably would've had a valid case and he said, it's not that valid. You don't have enough.

Dani:

Right. He wasn't take, and that's probably why they went to him. Mm-hmm. Instead of the poppo.

Stephanie:

Oh. Because they want advice. They they know someone. Yeah.

Dani:

Yeah.

Stephanie:

That can give them advice.

Dani:

The request for exhumation is denied. The district judge wants more evidence before he'll allow it. The pathologist said the bullets that were left in Marilyn's body were in her lower extremities and that it did not cause her death. She died from a bullet that severed her, a main artery near her aorta, and from collapse of the lungs. Mm.

Stephanie:

Well, I mean, she was shot 15 times. Good ness.

Dani:

And the judge also said, you're outta luck, Goldie, boy. We're not combining the trials nor setting new trial dates. Dunno why.

Stephanie:

SOLI think the judge is just a, is my house not your house? I don't care. I don't care. You're going to Reno bud.

Dani:

You're picking up on some good vibes. Okay. A motion to dismiss a first degree murder and the related charges against charnow are filed by Golden Bennett in the motion. He declares charges against Charnow. Should be dismissed because of gross mishandling of the case by the Jerome County Prosecutor and Sheriff's offices. Golden said he had a verbal agreement with Prosecutor Adamson. But he ignored the agreement,

Stephanie:

A verbal agreement. I don't know what the

Dani:

verbal agreement was.

Stephanie:

Uh, can you not charge him with the murder? Maybe just the kidnapping. I. Eh, that they had a drunken handshake at karaoke night or what?

Dani:

Probably. Probably at the Butte Cafe. We talked about this. Golden also said several pieces of evidence that were proved sharper. Note did not kill Marilyn had been purposely suppressed.

Stephanie:

What are these, you say?

Dani:

Adamson said the motion is frivolous and typical of Colby's actions throughout the proceedings. In the case, golden says Charvin admitted to wounding Marilyn, but he did not kill her,

Stephanie:

or did you just not see her die?

Dani:

He also wants the grand larceny and kidnapping charges dropped. The charges are unfounded and there is evidence that proves the incidents did not occur. Dunno if said evidence, but you know, Goldie says Golden also says the Jerome Sheriff's Office was aware that there were two guns at the murder scene, but the sheriff's office was only interested in one of them. He said it is now known that there were three guns at the murder scene. Guns On guns. On guns. During the motion for dismissal, Charvin testifies that Marilyn's daughter fired the fatal shot that killed her during the 10 days after the alleged rape and kidnapping. He hitchhiked through Nevada and into Jordan Valley and then back to his grandfather's ranch in Hawaii County. In search of work shoeing horses for ranches. So this next little bit that, that, and this next little bit is actually his testimony. Okay, so this is all allegedly from the horse's mouth, though unable to find work. He returned to Jerome and stayed in the barn of Marilyn's home several days before the Sunday when she was murdered. Sharper stated that he and Marilyn made love. Looked at the 22 caliber rifle he had purchased for her daughter Tiara. I hope I'm saying that right, Tiara, and got along well. Although Char Bruno said he wasn't hiding, Marilyn did not want her daughters to know that he was there.

Stephanie:

Mm.

Dani:

I could, with all the

Stephanie:

drama, I could especially, you know, I'll give your, your daughters are old enough to be like, what is literally happening? If that's the case, I could see it.

Dani:

And Tara was 14 and Tiffany 17. They're fully aware of what's going on. Oh, yeah. And they're, and I could see that being legit, like. What is out about all this? Why in

Stephanie:

the hell is he here?

Dani:

Yeah. Like, what are we doing? So I could, I could see that.

Stephanie:

Mm-hmm.

Dani:

he said, but then there's Bullshittery, so here we go. I mean, here we go. This is his testimony. But he slept on the floor and went without food from Thursday until Saturday evening, until Marilyn brought him lunch.

Stephanie:

He was hangry if he was there willingly. I can't see how that would happen. That's what if we have horses, oh, I forgot to go do this with the horse. Right. It would've been an easy excuse. The only thing that the kids would've recognized is, I'm sure they were helping with these horses. Mm-hmm. With bedding and feeding and whatever. They may have noticed that they didn't have as many chores, but there's always a reason to go out there. You can make up a reason. So

Dani:

out of the unbelievable story, I do believe that if he was there, Marilyn was like, Hey, but I don't know. I think would be reasonable. Yeah. For her to be like, the girls can't know you're here because I'm not ready to deal with that. Mm-hmm. Because I shot you and also you just kidnapped and raped me, so you can't be here. Yeah. So on Sunday, Marilyn came to the barn and told him she would finally tell the girls he was there. She then took the rifle to the house to show Tiara because he had bought that gun for Tiara, the rifle, which would not be outta line, considering the time and where they lived. Mm-hmm. Nope. Teenagers are having guns. Yeah, totally normal. she later returned with the gun and they were going to side it in, so she came back to the barn with a gun and they were gonna side it in. Marilyn, then loaded a handful of bullets into the gun. And that's when Char Bruno asked her where she had spent the previous night since her vehicle had not been home.

Stephanie:

It's an interesting story. I feel like most women are smarter than this if someone's staying on your property, but

Dani:

I also kind of feel like Marilyn didn't give a shit. I, I do feel that I, it's like I'm not hiding shit from you. She was to that point. Mm-hmm. I mean, we've known people. I've, I've been that person like, Hey, I don't give a fuck.

Stephanie:

Yeah. I, I'm helping you out by letting you sleep in the barn.

Dani:

Yeah. And I'm gonna do what I do.

Stephanie:

Yeah.

Dani:

And if you don't like it, get the fuck out. Yeah.

Stephanie:

Very. Interesting web of craziness happening here,

Dani:

but that question provoked her. She got pissed. like, why are you even ask and fair? Who's staying in whose barn? Yeah. Like, we're divorced. I'm letting you stay here. Hiding from the police. I mean, this is all assuming that his story is correct, right? But

Stephanie:

logically, like all of these factors would come into play, right? Yeah. Like. It doesn't fucking matter where I'm at. At your dad's? Mm-hmm. When you were trying to shoe horses, you're here. I've given you what I can give, which is sleeping in the barn.

Dani:

So she was pissed. It provoked her and she grabbed the gun. Uh oh. Allegedly, all of this is his testimony. Marilyn told him not to start that again. Eh, I could see that. Like, quit asking me what the fuck I'm doing, dude. Like we're done

Stephanie:

possible. Sure.

Dani:

And then Char Bruno told her that her parents thought she was crazy. Her daughters thought she was playing around with her boyfriends. And that he thought she was sleeping with everyone else,

Stephanie:

then why are you here exactly for table scraps?

Dani:

Right? Char Bruno said she told him that she couldn't live with him, but couldn't live without him, and warned no other woman was going to get him.

Stephanie:

Hmm. I don't know if I trust the quoting parts because, yeah, whatever. It was clearly a toxic relationship though, where people were trying to make, not even trying to put like a square peg into a round. Hole, worse than that, trying to flush a cat down a toilet, it is not going to work. And you're gonna get cut and bit in the process. this isn't love, this isn't romance, this like whirlwind and up and down. And some people get addicted to that. Mm-hmm. And this sounds like that. oh, we're just so crazy together. We're so crazy. No. Y'all are fucking weird. And it's weird for everyone around you. I know that you guys can relate. You either were that person or you've been around that person. It's fucking weird.

Dani:

Yeah.

Stephanie:

Like nobody likes this. What is happening? You're making it strange for everyone. Just go your separate ways and stop being, do whatever they doing. Know what?

Dani:

They don't even have like cell phones, so it's not like they were like drunk texting or fucking no. They literally had to like meet up anyway and be very toxic. Stop this nonsense. Immediate Charvin o said that is when he pointed the loaded rifle at him and said. You are dead. Dead meat. Sorry. I'm so sorry. He heard a click and then rustled the gun away from her. He said he was scared. He closed his eyes and began shooting the rifle. Yeah, he fired three or four shots and when he opened his eyes, Marilyn was on her knees on the floor. Clutching her shoulder. Then he saw Tiffany coming to the barn with a gun. He went over to Marilyn and saw she had been shot and told Tiffany to call the ambulance. Bull Ow. And Marilyn told Tiffany to leave the barn. He said he was afraid Tiffany was gonna shoot him fair while she was ready. So he ran from the barn. He could hear talking while he was outside the barn. And when he peeked back in, he claimed he saw Tiffany standing over her mother aiming the gun with both hands at her. He said he heard a shot and saw Marilyn's hair fly up. He closed his eyes again. He can only recall hearing one shot.

Stephanie:

Mm. Of course it's all plausible, but a lot of this, I gotta call bullshit because it's just so novella, it's so soap opera, right. Of like,

Dani:

no thank you when cross examined. He could not explain the 15 bullet entries into Marilyn. Oh, that's tough. How

Stephanie:

did those get there?

Dani:

When asked about the kidnapping, he said Marilyn drove the car to Shoshone and she made the suggestion to make love. She kidnapped herself.

Stephanie:

I wanted to go home because I have a home to live in by myself, the barn, and she was taking me

Dani:

away from my home. She jumped from the car. And flagged down another vehicle that took her to goodie Sharino said he left her vehicle at the tavern in Jerome, where she would surely find it. That's a dig. I knew she'd be at the bar. So he then hitchhiked to Nevada because his truck wasn't, wasn't running. Probably'cause it his full bull.

Stephanie:

Sorry.

Dani:

And of course, judge Philip Becker denied the motion to dismiss. He said, shut the actual fuck up. Anyway, but he did vacate the December 3rd trial date to give both teams more time to prepare.

Stephanie:

I think that's good because we do not need these speedy, speedy, speedy, speedy, speedy trials, of course, within your constitutional rights, but we're not arresting on a Friday and prosecuting on the next Friday.

Dani:

We've, oh, we've seen some fast trials. Char's mother, Betsy Mcil, wrote to the Times News in early November. They printed her letter in the editorial section.

Stephanie:

Okay.

Dani:

I'm gonna read it to you.

Stephanie:

Let's hear it

Dani:

outside. I feel the season's changing. A soft rustling of the leaf. That quickly haste. Since the passing clouds with a promise of snow and a new winter that is sure to come.

Stephanie:

Is she a meteorologist? I'm sorry. I'm such a bitch.

Dani:

It seems that summer passed had suddenly gone, leaving only despair and lonely days. In the lifetime of trauma that now faces a young man and the tragedy of the death of his wife, of a lost love, a lost marriage, and a divorce that was to end. With a terrible chill.

Stephanie:

She's going for that award that we've never heard of from that other case. She, that's, that's, I mean, it's very eloquent.

Dani:

I have listened to the media and read of your outrageous statements concerning JB Ow. And with little or no thought or regard of his rights as a human being, never checking the facts, only listening to hear or read the bloody gossip, which is only meant to the media. One more paper sold, one more wattage on air at the cost of a human soul. And we ask ourselves what price? Glory. I am preaching now I do feel really bad for her. Because she believes in her son so much. Of course she does, but she called him a young man,

Stephanie:

which he is a young man. This is not a toddler though. No, this isn't a teenager. Okay. This isn't a 19-year-old. Lemme preach.

Dani:

Have we all lost the meaning of justice to the real meaning of innocent until proven guilty Has the new media so turned to blood to raise the metabolism of the public? What has happened to the good old American heritage of innocent until proven guilty? I read Lie After Lie After Lie, and that's what's asked by several people to have a retraction in your paper because they have been misquoted A young man's life lies in Half Truth and lies that have been written by the reporters at the Times News in Twin Falls. Yes, your words have left the media breathless and astonished as such a crime of July 1st, 1984, but has only taken one time to fill the eyes and ears of your readers with the sounds of truth and rightful justice of who's right and he's wrong.

Stephanie:

That was the perfect one to do at fucking TikTok Dance two.

Dani:

She is not done. You're fucking joking.

Stephanie:

Hold on. I gotta stretch because I was, I was pulling out some of the big guns on my one.

Dani:

Oh Jesus. Ooh, one year ago. August of 1983, Jamie was leaving Marilyn. He told her that he loved her but could no longer live with her because of her mental state that he couldn't live with her, always trying to kill herself. Marilyn told Char Bau that if he left her, she would kill him. He got up into his pickup trailer. To leave. Marilyn then unloaded her gun into the side of Hi Jamie's truck, hitting him in the right elbow, and once in the right leg, the bullet still remains in Jamie's elbow. The doctor at St. Alphonse's Hospital in Boise could not remove the bullet for fear. Jamie would never use his arm again. Jamie and Marilyn tried again to work things out for their marriage. Marilyn again tried to kill herself. Jamie felt sorry for her and went to court for his wife's behalf after she was arrested for shooting him. Only her defense being that Jamie had molested her two daughters. Both daughters denied these accusations under oath in Mr. Rose's office and Shoshone. Jamie loved and treated Marilyn's daughters as though they were his own having none of his own. Marilyn was released from the charges of shooting Jamie after she divorced Jamie. She still would not leave him alone. She called him. Wrote to him, went to his jobs until he agreed to come back to her. Then she told him she didn't want him in the house and she made him a bed in the barn at the house she rented. Marilyn again, tried to kill Jamie. She already had a loaded gun in the bar. She aimed at Jamie's head and fired it being a fully automatic gun. It had to fire once to bring the bullets into the chamber. Then the gun begins to fire automatically. Jamie and Marilyn then begin to struggle over the gun. The gun went off striking the lower extremities of Marilyn's body. Being on the ground in the barn. Marilyn then pulled Jamie to her saying that she loved him and that she was sorry for everything. Jamie then left the barn and went into a nearby field to await the arrival of the police to give himself up and to avoid further trouble with Marilyn's dad. Marilyn's father hated Jamie for being with Marilyn. We have all lost a sense of human compassion as to better feed and take care of animals than a human life. Even though a person may be incarcerated for a crime in jail that only shows, that only allows two meals a day and a shower only when permitted or to invade a person's right to privacy.

Stephanie:

The, they are very against hangriness. Are they talking about like the two? They had him in a barn. You weren't feeding him. Yeah, and, and they get two meals a day in jail. Like, sorry, you don't have a job, you don't have nothing, no

Dani:

DoorDash for you fucker. You get a

Stephanie:

free roof over

Dani:

your head and

Stephanie:

some meals.

Dani:

And sometimes people come and knock on your window and scare you. Dead meat. You're dead meat. The authorities in jail stealing the inmate's mail, especially that of confidence between a lawyer and a client that happened to Jamie in the Jerome jail. Is this the American way of justice, independence, and innocent until proven guilty. Jamie got a piece of steel in his eye from the soap dish in jail. Not the soap dish. The soap dish, sorry. His eye became swollen and infected before his lawyer could get the Jerome gelatin to take Jamie to the doctor. Then the Jerome authorities would not let the eye be treated the the way the doctor asked for. Thank you so much for your patience. I only hope and pray that justice will be done in my son's case. And that some reporter or somebody cares enough for the freedom rights in our country of America to see that justice is done and that even though a human is jailed, they are still human.

Stephanie:

Wow. Mama. That was, I mean, put her on this. She, why isn't she the counsel? She, she thinks that's her job. She's fucking right. She's like, ride or die. I could give you every single detail of how it happened. Was I there? No. Was I anywhere around? No. Um,

Dani:

but Marilyn's a crazy bitch. And my son's innocent. Ugh, eh. Just, and I'm, oh, I'm very American, by the way. I am so American.

Stephanie:

Yeah, we're American, like we live in America. And

Dani:

I found it very interesting how it. Started out almost like a like poetry, like she was writing as a rustling of the leaves. Yeah. And then she's like, my son got a sliver of metal in his eye from a soap dish.

Stephanie:

What the fuck were you doing around the soap dish for that to happen?

Dani:

I don't know about you, but my eye is never near a soap dish.

Stephanie:

I've never gotten a sliver in my eye. From anything, especially not a soap dish. How vigorously are we washing our faces, folks? What's happening here? The fuck you don't Headbutt the soap dish. Stop. Headbutting the soap dish. Somebody assisted him in washing his face. Is that what we're trying to say? I feel like Marilyn. I feel like his mom would've said that.

Dani:

Good old Betsy. Yeah,

Stephanie:

Betsy. But yeah, I appreciate it, Betsy. I, I know how a mom would feel, and I feel like this is, we see a little bit of toxic mom here. Where, where I wonder if, if this young man, as she says, was ever able to schedule an appointment on his own or get a power bill in his name without his mom calling to do it for him, that kind of thing, where it's like, eh, I'm getting a little bit of those vibes

Dani:

and I, I kind of getting like, I don't know this for a fact, but I'm kind of getting like only child vibes too.

Stephanie:

Yeah. Yeah.

Dani:

You feel

Stephanie:

that an only child son vibe? Yep. Where it's like the triangulation of the relationship mm-hmm. Is very little off here. Anyway, that made me very don't run vibes. Guys. This is not scientific. This is not journalism. This is just. Uh, put your own spin on it. What do y'all think?

Dani:

In December, the rape charge in Lincoln County was officially dropped. The prosecutor, Doug Rose, is asking for the dismissal due to the lack of evidence. He said quote, it is not because I feel the crime was not committed, but rather because Marilyn Arbor the only witness. It will be difficult to prove. And of course, with all this drama going on with the case, prosecutor Adamson also lost the election in November. The county has a new prosecutor, mark Gouss. Adamson filed an affidavit for a special prosecutor to handle the case due to Gauss's inexperience. Special Prosecutor House will take over. So it's a fucking shit show down there we got. But he's basically filing and being like, yeah, like, well, this is a whole thing. So the case is supposed to start in the middle of January. And, but he is not the prosecutor anymore. Mm-hmm. And he's been on it this whole time. Right. And so now they have, and I went through the whole, I'm just tell shit show there was people that had no business running for a prosecuting attorney. One guy that ran, I can't remember his name, but um. He went to law school and passed the bar, and then he went and got a job at a, I wanna say it was like a chicken farm. It was something ridiculous like that. That's just what my brain is telling me like, and then he is like, Hey, I'm an attorney. I could be prosecutor, I'm gonna run, I'll put up some signs. Anyway, yes, basically this is, it's a very small county, slim Pickens, very small county, and odds are he had a good chance to win if he's a good old boy and had lots of family there. So anyways, but this new guy that's coming in Gauss is just, he doesn't have any experience and so he is like. All right. I'm gonna reach out and find somebody that can handle this case, so that's fair enough. That's where we sit. We are in 1985. God, it's been a long two years. Yeah. What's happened? Uh, Goldie. Mr. Goldie asked for a change of venue. He also files a motion for dismissal and an exhumation of Marilyn's body again,'cause he'd already asked for this. The change of venue is granted and the trial will be moved to Ada County. Let's go. The judge did not decide on the other motion. The Northside News sues the Jerome Sheriff. Over access to Char Mano. The paper is trying to interview him in jail and they were turned away by the sheriff. Char Beau wants to talk to the press regarding jail conditions. All uh, who was that motorcycle

Stephanie:

gang? Yes, the motorcycle gang. That was like, um, the sanitary conditions here are terrible, unacceptable. And they move to another jail and they're like, actually. All of those articles and interviews that I did, I Please take me back to the other jail because here it's real bad. Mm-hmm. And

Dani:

yeah.

Stephanie:

Yeah.

Dani:

But Goldie is totally okay with it. He is like, talk to the press. He,

Stephanie:

uh, no media training. I mean, this is the eighties, so I get it. But, well, and we can see that with the mom's letter too. I feel like she was encouraged to write that. I do too. They're trying

Dani:

to sway and everyone, during my research, mom, I read that first letter. Mom wrote multiple letters. Char wrote letters. Goldie wrote letter, like they're going on a whole different, everybody wrote letters to the editor, which

Stephanie:

is pretty unique. For the time, I would say, shut the fuck up, please shut the

Dani:

fuck up. Sheriff Hall says If he lets one reporter in, he'll have to let'em all in. Good old boy. He's a hey. Huh? Just one month before the murder trial, good old Goldie requested to withdraw as sherburn attorney. Ooh, I'm done. She. Anyway, I'm out. Well, char Bruno had stated he had lost faith in his attorney for several weeks. I don't know if he stated this to other people in jail, in court, or if he took the advice to go to the press with it, which, what a mess. But he had already just fully was like. Yeah, I, I don't like, and, and you're gonna see her. This, is gonna become a common theme. Golden said he couldn't do an adequate job knowing how Serino feels about him. Him fair. So he's appointed a public defender, Randy Stoker. Ooh. But Golden says he hasn't been fired by Chao's Mother who is paying him and wants to stay on the case, and he plans on staying on the case to assist Stoker. Okay. And the judge. Okay. The plan to combine the trials, which makes sense. Let's get her done. And one big thing I thought, I saw through all my research was the cost of all of the shit to this tiny county. They're like, can we condense this down a bit? Yeah.

Stephanie:

people were

Dani:

pissed. They wrote, I mean, several times to the paper, people were just pissed. There was so many articles about the cost of this trial, the cost of this trial, the cost of this, the cost of that.'cause it was a lot of money back in the day. I mean, it's still, but it was

Stephanie:

a very tiny county in the eighties.

Dani:

I think the county, I wonder it was like 18,000 people. Hmm. Yeah. And they're footing the bill

Stephanie:

for this guy. They're like, okay, can we just move it? No wonder these trials within a few months were happening. They're like, we better get it on the books, or we're gonna get. Attacked

Dani:

and a lot of the complaints were lit.'cause you know, appeals, appeals, appeals are coming, they're literally draining

Stephanie:

their whole budget and their resources for other cases too. On this

Dani:

guy, they were over it in April. The trial begins in Boise. A jury is finally seated, consisting of six men and six women. It took nearly four days to interview 46 people before the jury was selected. Defense attorney Stoker is trying to get the statements made when OW testified during a motion hearing the previous year to not be entered in as evidence. Oh, do you remember that preliminary hearing? Yeah. that everything was, that you had his testimony? Yeah. Goldie was like, Hey, you want this? Dismissed. Get up there and tell him your story. Oh, yikes. Stoker says Charvin O was ill-advised from his attorney. That's still partnering on.

Stephanie:

I know. It's so weird. It's just so fucking weird. Imagine having that said in court and you're sitting there also at the defense table, like, uh.

Dani:

This attorney sucked. I mean, he's still on our team, but that was, that was a shitty move. That was, that was a bad move. The drama, judge Becker said, Nope. Anyway, he was like, I personally advised you of your right to remain silent and you still fucking talked. Yeah.

Stephanie:

There's only so much you can do. Like esp, we've all seen the ones that wanna represent themselves and the judges are like in every single way. They're like, this will be worse for you. Your attorneys can give you times to talk or comment, but they know the rule of law and the procedures and what goes and doesn't go, and these people are like. We'll figure it

Dani:

out. I can do it. Fuck, fuck my attorney secret. I'm way, way smarter than my attorney.

Stephanie:

Yeah.

Dani:

I'm in jail for murdering somebody way smarter than my attorney. I know what to do. In opening statements. Prosecutor Hawes said AU was hiding out. In a potato cellar across the driveway from Marilyn's home. He had a Remington rifle and two boxes of ammunition that were purchased just three days earlier in Hagerman. Oh, haw said on, and this just a friendly reminder, he was on the run for 10 fucking days for the kid Nap and Ray.

Stephanie:

Yeah. And he was across the street.

Dani:

Yeah, so he, he had a warrant out for his arrest at this time, but he is like, I'm gonna go buy a gun. And only in the eighties could that happen anyway. haw said on June 21st, Marilyn was eating a taco salad after her shift ended at the Butte. When her ex-husband walked in around the same time, another patron walked in and offered to buy a round of drinks for everyone. Which Irk Char, no,

Stephanie:

I'm sorry. When has that ever been Bad news?

Dani:

Apparently it was Au wanted to know who was buying

Stephanie:

her a drink in addition to everyone. I mean, maybe there was only three people there who knows. It's the Butte. Yeah, maybe.

Dani:

But she

Stephanie:

also works there. People are gonna wanna buy her drinks regardless. Right?'cause you have your little regulars that are, you know, they have that pair of social relationships. They think you're besties.

Dani:

When the two went outside, Charvin Noah, abducted Marilyn. The next time she was seen was about 2:00 AM in the morning. Two women from Lewiston were stopped at the intersection of Niagara Springs Road and Bob Barton Highway near Wendell. I wanna look up who Bob Barton is. You'll recognize the highway when Marilyn jumped from the hatchback over a Fiat station wagon. Marilyn cried out to the women. Please help me. He's had me out all night and won't take me home. Marilyn claimed the red marks on her neck were from sharper, no. Trying to strangle her defense attorney Stoker said the marks on her neck was from a skin irritation, which she had been seeing a doctor for. It was eczema. Hmm. A coworker of Marilyn's, Chris Smart, testified that she had been invited to go to Gooding. With her on Saturday the night of the kidnapping. Marilyn later changed her mind and said she decided to go to Twin Falls instead because ow had supposedly been spotted in the Gooding area and that she was afraid of him. Fair sis.

Stephanie:

Okay.

Dani:

Chris also testified that Char's standard line of introduction was. Quote, I don't know if you know it or not, but I am Marilyn's husband. Kind of a big deal. Kind of a big deal. Uh, I know a little

Stephanie:

cringe it.

Dani:

Very

Stephanie:

fucking church. Again, I know we say vibes, but intuition and. Just discernment and women trust yourselves because you're just seeing a micro thing. That usually is tied to a macro problem.

Dani:

Oh my God. Look at you. Boom. Gary stole a cowboy from Elco, Nevada said he spoke with Char Burnow on June 26th. I'm say there's real cowboys in this like. Yeah, yeah. Char Beau claimed to be a rodeo clown from Arizona who was counting studs for the government. Gary gave Char Beau a ride from Southern Hawaii County for approximately 2025 miles North. Char Beau told him rattlesnakes scared away his horse and his pickup was out of fuel in the Sheep Creek area.

Stephanie:

That's a lot of problems for one person.

Dani:

It really is. But sharper, no. Was a cowboy. Yeah, he was a rodeo. Something I don't Rodeo. Clown. Clown. Yeah.

Stephanie:

Affiliate. Sure.

Dani:

Another man, Albert Baraga said Char Bruno introduced himself as Sam at a Simplot camp in Hawaii County. Sam claimed to be counting wild horses for the government and said he was from Montana. Ow. Gave him the same story about the horse. But with no rattlesnakes. He said, my horse ran off.

Stephanie:

Mm. Horse ran off out I gas. It's a country

Dani:

song for sure. Both witnesses remember Charnow carrying a backpack similar to the one Marilyn used as a purse. Ooh, that backpack was later found stuffed in a building on Marilyn's property. Okay,

Stephanie:

interesting.

Dani:

And her car was again found in Wahe County on a property that Char Bruno's grandfather used to own,

Stephanie:

so known to the family.

Dani:

All of VINs, except for the secret VINs.

Stephanie:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dani:

the girls testify. Okay. Tiffany testified she was upset and confused when giving her original statement to the detectives and her tearful testimony. She said that she saw Charnow with a rifle standing over her bleeding mother. She said her mom came home around 10:30 AM that morning. And went to move horses that were in the wrong corral. She was reading when she heard shots fired. She ran to the horse corral with her mother's 22 caliber gun. Tiffany saw her mom sitting in the alleyway and Charnel was standing over her holding a gun. So there's been some, the first reports is that she was in a barn. But apparently between the corrals and the barn, there was what they quote called the alleyway. Okay. So they both asked her to leave. Tiffany then ran to the shop across from the cellar and called the police station and told them Jamie had just shot my mom. And then she went back to the house and got her sister out of the bathtub. And changed from her pajamas to street clothes as her younger sister also got dressed. Both the girls ran and took cover behind a wagon near the corral. It's a real wagon. It's a sheep wagon. Okay. Tiffany accidentally fired one shot from the gun she had. They heard another series of shots and ran back into the alleyway. Tiara brushed her dying mother's cheek and ran to call an ambulance at Tiffany's demand. One minute she was looking at me the next, she wasn't. I knew she was dead, so I closed her eyes. Shaana was gone. On cross examination. The issue of Tiffany being the one who shot her mother never came up because remember that was, they knew

Stephanie:

it was a BS story.

Dani:

Yeah. Goldie's like, uh, yeah. For what you just need to convince. The jury that her daughter

Stephanie:

shot her and a man with a gun ran away instead of stopping it or overpowering the person. Sure, sure, sure.

Dani:

Deputy Ernest Coates testified that former county prosecutor Adamson told him to dispose of a 22 shell casing found in the sheep wagon. He quoted Addison as saying the spent casing wouldn't be needed and it wasn't pertinent to the case and it could be discarded. Mm. Sto her asked cos if the situation was a little embarrassing, and COA was like, yeah, it is. Prosecutor Oz, ask Coates if he normally took orders from the prosecuting attorney rather than the sheriff. Quote, usually I don't, but that day I did. Good old boys. I'm just saying.

Stephanie:

Creating fuckery.

Dani:

Mm-hmm. Coates put the casing in a film canister and threw it out after Char Bruno's preliminary hearing. Shady.

Stephanie:

Yeah. And you're just making this shit worse.

Dani:

Adamson later testified that he told the deputy to dispose of the of the shell casing because he didn't think it was important because it wasn't found near the body. You don't dispose though.

Stephanie:

You can say, Hey, this isn't relevant. They shoot guns all the time around here. This is probably from, there's a lot of other reasons and they should be able to be proven. You don't say throw it away.

Dani:

And a film canister, which don't even whoop, whoopsie. Yeah. Uh, St. Stocker made the point that Marilyn had 16 bullet wounds, but only 14 bullets were missing from the ammunition Char Burnow had purchased when the gun was retrieved, there were still three.

Live rounds in it. Math is not math. It's

Stephanie:

relevant, but,

Dani:

okay. Robert Ramsey, the pathologist that could conducted Marilyn's autopsy, gave some explanation. He said his examination showed 16 bullets had entered her body. But only found 15 exit wounds. He said he may have missed one of the exit wounds or two bullets might have left the body from the same hole. Or one of the bullets could have fragmented it before it struck Marilyn causing multiple entry wounds. Or a bullet could have ricocheted and entered her body twice, or she may have coughed up a bullet lodged in her throat before she died, or a 17th bullet that grazed her arm could have penetrated her body somewhere else. Accounting for an extra entry. Or, oh my God, sorry, I'm laughing. Or a bullet that went through her hand could be responsible for the extra entry.

Stephanie:

Yeah. All great ideas, but it feels like there was some laziness or not thoroughness at the first one. Like this is literally your job. And literally we should have doted these i's and crossed these T's. And so I'm gonna give a little

Dani:

props to Goldie for being like, Hey, hey, let's exhume the body because the doubt. Sure. But goldie's still crazy. I Judge Becker dismissed the charges of kidnapping and grand theft against ow after the defense team presented a motion to dismiss. In the motion, Stoker stated, Jerome County had no jurisdiction in the case because they couldn't prove that it happened in that county.

Stephanie:

Sure. And again, there's pressures from all over of like, get her done. We don't need 17 cases. So now they're really relying on. The murder charge, right? Yep.

Dani:

Testimony is completed and Judge Becker advises the jury. They can consider four verdicts. I need to do research on this. I don't under, I thought it was like this count or this count. I, we talked about this on another case. Yeah. I don't understand this. So he said,

Stephanie:

which I can kind of understand the first versus second, like, did they plan it or did it come about in the moment? Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. But doing like an involuntary manslaughter or like accidental vehicular manslaughter, like including all of that in, not specifically this case. It's

like just let's just charge'em with everything. Yeah, which is basically what they did. These are the charges, or they said that, uh, what they could consider for the verdicts. First degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, or involuntary manslaughter. All of them. After 13 hours of deliberation, the jury found charvin guilty of first degree murder. One juror stated the verdict would've been returned faster if the state didn't throw away evidence.

Stephanie:

You're throwing a wrench in the gears. That already move in most cases, very slowly,

Dani:

the death penalty is on the table. In December, a pre-sentencing hearing, the prosecutor Hawes asked for the death penalty stating there is no mitigating circumstances in the burner of Maryland. He said if Charna was ever paroled in the future, he had posed a threat to the lives of other members of Marilyn's family. We made it to 1986. 86.

Stephanie:

Let's

go on. January 29th, 1986. Charmin O was sentenced to death for the murder of Marilyn Arbaugh. Here we go. Appeals. Appeals Appeals. A post-conviction relief petition was filed by Jim May Char O'S new attorney. One issue raised on appeal was that golden. Bennett's re representation of Charel Golden allowed charel to be sworn in and give testimony at the pretrial hearing.

Stephanie:

Again, if a judge, they literally are like, are you on drugs? Are you drunk? Do you understand how this could, could benefit you or be like a detriment? Like. Uh, they go over all this, like,

Dani:

that's what Judge Becker said, like I personally advise you. Golden also allowed ow to be interviewed for more than two hours by an investigator for the state without being present. Okay.

Stephanie:

Whose fault is that?

Dani:

Mm. Goldie's. And look, I outta that frustration. It's just, it's not, and the client for sympathy, it's just like you're a fucking idiot. Golden and Prosecutor Stoker failed to seek financial assistance through the court for a private investigation into the ballistics and the mental, capabilities of the defendant. Uh, the post-conviction release was denied by Judge Becker. He said it hasn't been explained why the defense counsel took certain actions, but the court cannot second guess strategic and tactical choices made by a trial lawyer. And if the errors were made there were of harmless nature.

Stephanie:

But again, I don't see because. Even if you pay a lawyer, you could be paying big bucks for a shitty lawyer, and whose fault is that? If they have passed the bar exam, they are allowed to practice law. Even if the lawyer is doing a completely shitty job on the stand and the judge is like, are you fucking dumb? Who knows? Is this all a farce Because you have some big punchline coming, some gotcha moment. Who's to say?

Dani:

And it's not the judge's responsibility to make sure that

Stephanie:

no, especially they have a good

Dani:

attorney

Stephanie:

because some of this was a paid attorney, which should in theory be better than a public defender. So you're like, this is who you chose. They are licensed to practice, like having a license to drive. Um, maybe they like to take naps while they drive, though.

Mm, I love that analogy. Uh, death warrant for OW was issued for December 10th. Of course, a stays issued from the Idaho Supreme Court

Stephanie:

as it always is.

1987 a new attorney is appointed to Char Burnow, and Char is pissed. Oh gosh. He wants me to continue to be his attorney. One problem. May has been appointed to be a judge.

Stephanie:

Oopsie got a promotion.

Dani:

Charnow said if he can't have May, he will represent himself. Oh, great choice. Greg Fuller is appointed to represent Char Burnow by the court. Fuller. Asked for a new trial. He said the former attorney Goldie. I'm sorry, golden Bennett based his defense strategy on clairvoyance and other quote, supernatural phenomena.

Stephanie:

Again, whose fault is that? If you chose a lawyer that's like, let's consult the tarot cards. Reno

Dani:

baby, including regular contact with the spirit of Marilyn. Golden stated, he never believed in that quote, clairvoyant crap, and that fuller is grasping at straws. Maybe

Stephanie:

what if your client asks you to, and they're paying you so much an hour and they're like, I heard that Get off the Ouija. I saw a psychic on Etsy that says that they can pull some room stones or tarot cards and they can figure out a murder.

Dani:

I, I really think in 80, 84, I think they're looking at

Stephanie:

the Ouija, the classified ads in the Ouija board. Yeah. Wanna solve a murder. It's in the classified. I will use my, what are those sticks that find water? A witching stick? Some they, that they're like, oh, should I do this? Yes or no? Or pendulum Did some Yeah. This happen? Yes or no? If, if you, if your client is asking for that for one, who are you to say no, or if that is part of your strategy that you feel that works and someone's paying you and you are a licensed professional in your field? Choices, people Choices, good

Dani:

choices. Fuller submitted an affidavit from Prosecutor Adamson. It said that sometime. You remember Adamson, the ex-brother-in-law, it said that sometime in July of 84 after the preliminary hearing, but prior to the trial, he was approached by Goldie and his investigator James Coakley Golden told him he knew Sau wasn't guilty because his niece in California had a seance with a deceit.

Stephanie:

Stop. Okay, let's drop the charges.

Dani:

And the seance, the deceased indicated that she forgave her daughter for firing the final shots.

Stephanie:

Teenage girls with a Ouija board. I don't know if they're teenagers, but it sounds like it. To me it's Anise.

Dani:

And another affidavit filed Golden's, former legal secretary, Diana McDonald, stated she witnessed several conversations between Goldie and Coley concerning various supernatural and clairvoyant phenomena related to the guilt or innocence of Dale.

Stephanie:

It's sounding like a theme here. I hate to say it more than just my clients asking me to or. Gave me the number. I don't think this is asked of,

Dani:

just, yeah. No. Mr. Coley was in regular contact with the spirit of the victim and reported the results of these contacts to Goldie. Okay. Coley couldn't be reached for comment. Why? Mm-hmm. Why camping? Vacation. No. Well staycation, he is serving a sentence in the state penitentiary on a theft conviction for unlawfully using goldie's credit cards.

Stephanie:

Alright,

Dani:

what a shit show.

Stephanie:

Very stable and appropriate. Yes. Uh, judge Becker

Dani:

denies the request for retrial. He said, I'm actually

Stephanie:

done

Dani:

with

Stephanie:

this

Dani:

shit. Uh, move along. I want you to keep that comment in mind later. Okay. Char Oak Fires fooler, but Judge Becker warns him. Quote, you've already gone through several lawyers. Your rights have been more protected than the victims. She didn't have any lawyers.

Stephanie:

He's saying, let's look at the odds, bud. Yeah. If, if this is Vegas or Reno, um, you're betting on the wrong horse, bud.

Dani:

Mm-hmm. Fuller was totally taken by surprise at the request. He's like, wait, what? I'm getting fired. He really was. A few days later, fuller was reappointed. Oh. Four is was working for$50 an hour, half of his normal rate. And mind you, this is an 83, right? 84. That's

Stephanie:

good money.

Dani:

Judge Becker told, ow, I didn't go out and find you a cheap attorney. The reappointment was not a request from Charvin. The court was like, you're an idiot. This is who you got. And fair enough. 1988 OW appeals his death sentence, of course, to the added Supreme Court for inadequate counsel. And guess what else? Hmm? Class. Idaho's death penalty is unconstitutional because only a jury can impose the death penalty, not the judge. Plus all the other things, judge letting charvin o be interviewed without counsel present and letting him testify at a pretrial hearing. Plus, uh, uh, stroker should have asked for a continuance for the trial based on the short time he had to prepare. He was like, put in three weeks. Yeah. Before you

Stephanie:

need more time. So, Val, so many

Dani:

fucking attorneys we're moving up a year.

Stephanie:

89

Dani:

In April, 1989, the Idaho Supreme Court Order SHEO to be resentenced due to several errors made by Judge Becker.

Stephanie:

Becker

Dani:

during the sentencing hearing, Becker improperly admitted unsub, an unsubstantiated letter from Marilyn's father that included hearsay Beck word for multiple syllables.

Stephanie:

I'm proud of you.

Dani:

The court ignored the issue of jury versus judge handing down the death sentence. They're like, we're not gonna even fucking deal with that.

Stephanie:

There's bigger problems, but yeah. Okay. Sure.

Dani:

The court did say that Judge Becker seemed to rely on up. Oh my God. Unsubstantiated claims that Marilyn would have survived if char Bono did not shoot a second round of bullets. The court rejected 17 points presented in the motion. There was no impact statements allowed at this time in a death penalty case. Mm. So Marilyn's dad presented testimony about how they were a shit show. Um, no. No, no, no. DV I'm sure. Right, but they're saying that was un. Substantiated nailed it. And, uh, that, that couldn't be presented. I can see that.'cause I mean, it's

Stephanie:

third party,

Dani:

but it's still a victim's impact statement. Yeah. So,

Stephanie:

no, there's ways to get it in and ways to not, and so of course they're looking for any loophole, which is, this is how it is with a legal case, everything has to be by the book. Mm-hmm. And if it isn't, it's gonna cause a problem later. So you can't take the easy way out. Even if you're like, we gotta include this. Can we include it without it being a shit show later? That's a big question

Dani:

In 1990, uh, apparently, uh, for the attorney, she did not want. Fuller is making progress.

Stephanie:

Well go Fuller. Let's see what you got.

Dani:

Fuller files a petition for a new trial because a former Sheriff's deputy caller Carl Taylor was convicted of a misdemeanor. Carl had taken a loan of$6,000 from a man that the sheriff's office was investigating. Carl had testified in Charmin's trial. And Fuller says the jury should have not given any consideration to his testimony based on Carl's character, by the way he committed that crime years after Char Bruno's trial.

Stephanie:

That's a stretch to me, fuller

Dani:

and. It, it had something to do. His testimony had to do with something with a confession. I didn't Yeah. But still later

Stephanie:

they're pulling out every stop. Yeah.

Dani:

Yeah. He, he's, he's trying, working for the money. Yep. Fun fact, the drum, the drum county jail does not have an exercise yard. For shame. Well, that's why he can knock on fucking windows, bro. Yeah, go find the person who's saying dead meat. Inmates are guaranteed five hours of exercise a week, so the sheriff improvises,

Stephanie:

they get a Jane Fonda aerobics. What do they get?

Dani:

Every few days the sheriff drops in on ow and tells him to put on his coat. The sheriff drives out to a remote area and ow with handcuffs on, they go for a walk together, can run around and

Stephanie:

play. It's like taking someone to a dog park or to like a remote area. And I'm not trying to equate people and dogs here, but I'm saying like, oh, we got this dog that might bite. Let's take him out.

Dani:

To where no one's gonna be. No. And they act, go run here. Fetch P, the, uh, un, the un. Super dangerous people, I guess, or the other inmates. They would handcuff them all together and take'em to the park.

Stephanie:

Yeah. Where you guys can't coordinate and escape, handcuff together. No. Crazy Red Rover game. That would be, you ain't getting through the Hudson, but the sheriff was

Dani:

like, let's go for a walk bro. Ya ain't gonna fucking sue me. They're literally

Stephanie:

like, um, time for walkies. Yeah.

Dani:

They don't have an exercise yard, but the sheriff didn't wanna get sued, so he is like,

Stephanie:

take him on there, run

Dani:

or whatever. Let's go out to

Stephanie:

the desert boy, anyone got a Frisbee? And they would talk,

Dani:

like, they would literally go on a walk together. And the sheriff said that he would. Talk to him. I bet

Stephanie:

a lot of prisoners would prefer this. A walk in the, even in the high desert, like imagine like a really remote trail.

Dani:

He was in flip flops and san ugh.

Stephanie:

Or if it's snowing. Ugh.

Dani:

Can you imagine that? You know that fine. Fucking I That fine. The fucking dust, the moon dust takes on. Sheriff's, like, I'm boots fucker, bitch. How does that feel between your toes? You know what I'm talking about? Yes. That shit. And you're just like, oh my God, I need to wash my feet. Anyways, kudos to the sheriff. Uh, doing his best, being creative to not get, to not get sued.

Stephanie:

Out of the box solutions. Go, sheriff,

Dani:

can you, ima I'd be so pissed off at his chair. I'm like, get up, have my coffee. I'm like, fuck. Time for walkies, Danny. Oh, I have to go take walkies today. Fuck, this guy annoys me. I do not want to be out there with him, but also doing my job. I'm not gonna get sick walking in the desert. Can you imagine? Just fucking I Just after the denial, char O figures, this is a great time to have an interview with the press.

Stephanie:

Great strategy so far hasn't filled you yet. And

Dani:

in an interview with Anita Dennis from The Times News, char au said The world would be safe if he was paroled.

Stephanie:

Mm-hmm. The world.

Dani:

The world.

Stephanie:

Wow. Okay. When

Dani:

asked if he was dangerous, he replied, no, I'm not. I know I'm not. Let's wrap it up, folks. He stated, if you look at the case, who knows what they would do if they were put in a predicament to defend themselves? No matter what. One person might say, looking from the outside in, might say, I would've done this. I would've done that, but you never know until you're that in that predicament.

Stephanie:

You never know. Folks,

Dani:

I do know now because I was inside there. I wasn't looking in from outside.

Stephanie:

Yeah,

Dani:

I was inside looking and it was a tragic thing. I wish I would've had the mentality then that I do now, the ability to let logic control my emotions and in the heat of that moment, then I would've been able to think it through and make proper judgment.

Stephanie:

Honestly, I'm proud of him for the speech. I can tell that it. He's been waiting a while to say this, which like we said all the time in the world, you can put something together. I feel like it was

Dani:

like so rehearsed. Like a statement. Yes.

Stephanie:

Uh, it was, um, his

Dani:

press

Stephanie:

secretary wrote that for him. Yeah. For real. Mm-hmm. But it's like, there's just too much

Dani:

in June.

Stephanie:

Tell me

Dani:

Judge Becker steps down from the case.

Stephanie:

Okay. Becker

Dani:

Attorney Dunlap filed a motion for a new judge. Becker was like, thank God, no, for reals. Thank God he didn't say that,

Stephanie:

but he was done. He's like, I'm going on my own vacation now. You fuckers

Dani:

to Vegas, not Reno. You cheat bitch Goldie,

Stephanie:

who might go to Hawaii.

Dani:

He granted the motion. After being on the case for six years. Becker said, quote. I am so sick and tired of him.

Stephanie:

Very candid. Not even like kid gloves type like media messaging. This guy.

Dani:

If he could have said to the press, fuck this guy, I'm out. He would've said it. Yeah. Fuck

Stephanie:

you,

Dani:

fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

Stephanie:

You're

Dani:

cool and I'm out. Fuck you. Yeah. Oh. Becker was placed by Judge Hart. In September, the Idaho Supreme Court replaced her per request from ow. The new judge is George Granada Jr.

Stephanie:

Georgie Junior.

Dani:

Here we go. In January, 1991, char Ow files a lawsuit against his own attorney for a million dollars.

Stephanie:

Gimme a million, billion cajillion dollars. Billions and billions and billions. Gimme your money. He,

Dani:

he, he claims Dunlap was not providing adequate representation. It was dismissed.

Stephanie:

Thank you.

Dani:

And everybody's getting smart. The state decided they will not ask for the death penalty and the recent resentencing of ow because. You sucked

Stephanie:

at it this far. Let's just

Dani:

money, money, money. Let's

Stephanie:

lower our expectations now. It's,

Dani:

it's all about the cash. Mm-hmm. I'm telling you. It is. The cash. The cash. They will instead seek life in prison. On October 10th, 1991, char Bruno is sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. In 1993, there's another appeal. The Idaho Supreme Court upholds his life sentence. And then we're just Appeals. Appeals, appeals, appeals. And in 2015, Charnow was granted a new trial. You're choking.

Stephanie:

Yeah, let's go. Let's do it. What do you got? Sharpie.

Dani:

Uh, a letter was found written by Tiara. Marilyn's daughter from 1989 that states she was told to withhold information and there was another letter from a former Jerome County Sheriff that were discovered. District Judge LG said the letter showed evidence of misconduct

Stephanie:

and there was a sprinkling of it that we know about. So it's not,

Dani:

yeah, let's throw away a bullet casing. Yeah,

Stephanie:

just throw it away. It's not even important.

Dani:

The reason the letters weren't discovered until then is because the state had concealed them. Brady,

Stephanie:

those Brady violations aren't gonna screw you every time.

Dani:

I think Judge Ji was kind of disgusted because he allowed Charvin to be released after 30 years in prison on a$20,000 bail.

Stephanie:

And again, it probably came down to the money, like this is now gonna be a how many years old case. Mm-hmm. On letters that were found where someone may have very well been a little shyte when, if they just wouldn't have done that. Just like with the bullet, keep it in. Yeah. You could, you should be able to easily disprove it. Right. Or. Even if it isn't easily disproven, your other evidence should be able to outline. So I'm not saying that, oh, people should just go free when you start doing this shady stuff. Mm-hmm. You are casting doubt on the entire investigation. And now look at where we are, how many years later we're like, let's just let you go. We don't even have the resources. Time, money. To rehash this case after it's already been rehashed this much. Mm-hmm. Ridiculous failure of law enforcement and judicial. A hundred percent.

Dani:

Yeah. No, don't be shy, Ty. Char was bailed out in May of that year, 2015, and everybody was exci. I saw the pictures like everybody's so excited for him to get out. By the way, did I tell you? Did I mention his poetry?

Stephanie:

No. Another award-winning poet of an award that no one's heard of, or, yeah.

Dani:

Cowboy poetry. I should have included that. I, I didn't write any. I'm sure it

Stephanie:

was, you know, you've got a lot of time in jail, so Yeah. And you have to find ways to express yourself and so Sure, sure, sure. Do it.

Dani:

And he was so committed to being a cowboy like. Yeah, there was an incident one time because they always let him change into street clothes when he went into the judge and then after a bunch of his fuckers, they're like, we're not gonna let you change into street clothes anymore. You were gonna treat you like every other fucking inmate here. And there was a little kind of scuffle, and he had a bloody nose when he went into one of these hearings. Because he probably, I'm imagining he was trying to fight to change and he was

Stephanie:

bucking and bronching.

Dani:

Yep. And they said, Nope. You get the same prison guard that everybody else is getting Dick. Yeah. Enjoy your walks and your flip flops fucker on. Uh, so he's out. Out and about. Um, February 15th, 2016, char Bruno is arrested in Star Idaho, not in Star. In star. That afternoon, a woman arrived home and she found Char Bruno hiding in her closet.

Stephanie:

That's unsettling and very much escalated. Like what? This is less than a year later, nine months, where someone's we're in someone's closet.

Dani:

He threatened her with a crossbo. What the fuck is some of the cross bows? A fucking crossbo.

Stephanie:

Go and learn. Get a hobby bro. Get RC cars. Let's what

Dani:

she ran out of the door and called 9 1 1 a few minutes later, sharper, who's now 56, called ADA County Dispatch and said that he had been held hostage by a woman at the home. He told deputies he had escaped and drove to a parking lot where he called police. He was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and burglary.

Stephanie:

Good because that made me wanna punch myself in the face, hearing someone help me captive with my cross bone in their closet.

Dani:

Please stop. The woman had briefly dated OW for about two months before breaking up with him and had recently filed for a protection order. That's weird. The protection hearing was set for the day Charna was arrested. So the day that he is like cross bowing in the house, that was his, that was the hearing charee you

Stephanie:

need, was there not a halfway house or something? Like We're just gallivanting.

Dani:

I wonder who put up the bond too. For reals. Uh, days before Char had had broken into the house, he had visited the FBI office in Boise to report that his ex-girlfriend was illegally selling liquor without a license and that she had mafia ties. These motherfuckers,

Stephanie:

you gotta be fucking delusional and just not fit like for. Get outta here. Get

Dani:

out of here later. He also told police she had kidnapped him and driven him to the Hawaii's where she let him go.

Stephanie:

I feel like we're deflecting at this point, sir. Like, anyway, move on.

Dani:

When the victim was contacted by the police about she's kidnapping. She began seeking the protection order. She's like,

Stephanie:

this fucker, this fucker's crazy. He said, I kidnapped him.

Dani:

Hmm. During the time he was supposedly kidnapped. The woman was out of town. I ey. And as far as being held hostage, the police have ow on surveillance footage from a convenience store during the time.

Stephanie:

He wasn't used to that. He thought there was no cameras anywhere and you could just be whoever you wanna be whenever you wanna be them. Ooh, good try, bub.

Dani:

In 2017, the Idaho Supreme Court reversed Judge lgs order and remanded the original case back to district court. Like,

Stephanie:

you know what takes these backseats?

Dani:

Oh, I feel like lg, like, I don't know. I should have looked him up, but. He, I would quit. Yeah. I would be like, I'm done. I'm gonna retire early. Uh, not make, I would take

Stephanie:

a basket weaving or something. I'm gonna open up a coffee shop.

Dani:

Espresso, anyone? In 2018, char Noah was sentenced to 25 years in prison for the star incident. Oh my God. This time is to be served concurrent with his other life sentence

Stephanie:

because they're like, you know what? We're done.

Dani:

We're done.

Stephanie:

You are done.

Dani:

So currently, char Bruno is 65 and residing at the Idaho State Correctional Institution in Boise.

Stephanie:

Have fun. I'm. You got a, you got your walkies, which most prisoners. I mean, I think, I feel like if you ask people now if they're like, what if the sheriff came and took you on a walk? They'd be like, yeah, yeah, let's go. Let's outside. Not in the prison yard. Let's go.

Dani:

Let's grab a McGriddle and a hash brown. Fuck yeah. Stop it. Mickey, please gimme a happy meal. I'll take a small coffee. Three creams, 15 sugars.

Stephanie:

Gimme that, sugar, that real shit. 15 sugars. Please, can you, Hey boss, can we go inside and we can just, you know, they have the little thing. You can just grab like 57 for me. I could take it back in my, I could sell that shit. Can I put that in my pocket? I could sell that shit for. People love that shit.

Dani:

Oh wait, I don't have pockets. Can I put it in my undies? Can I tuck it in my booty cheeks under my B sack? How do we digress?

Stephanie:

We're out of fucking control. The vodka is vodka

Dani:

for me. It is.

Stephanie:

And this case, I just gotta tell you, I once again, I gotta tie it back to these extreme. Weirdo relationships. I know people in my personal life who haven't necessarily escalated this much, but in some, I hope not. I know friends of friends where like they used to get in drunk in fights and all the time, and like someone accidentally, maybe purposefully in the moment due to alcohol, like hit someone with a car or the car started running backwards when someone was pulled from a car. Just this messy, messy relationships and guys. Gotta stop doing that. I know that we, listen, I'm not a perfect person. I certainly, you know, I speak my mind, but one of the things that I value so much in a relationship is not having a constant fighty, fighty drama because I just simply don't have the energy.

Dani:

Mm-hmm. Like

Stephanie:

we can fight over things. Sure. But if we're fighting every day and getting into escalated pan throwing glasses, if you're emptying

Dani:

your gun into the side of your partner's vehicle, eh, probably should take a look at, let's move on and maybe move away.

Stephanie:

Yeah, let's probably should take a look at that relationship. Let's not. So just, again, I do just want to even point out, there was a strangulation thing earlier and if, if your partner ever chokes you, man or woman. It's like a 700% chance they're gonna kill you the next time. Yeah. So just reach out to your resources, start getting a safe exit and. Let's not,

Dani:

and don't let them back into your lives. Even a fucking snitch. No, don't call, don't text, don't write. You can love, don't talk to their friend from afar. Yeah. Definite. You can

Stephanie:

respect and appreciate. Yeah.

Dani:

You know what I'm talking about. Yes. Those relationships like creep back in.

Stephanie:

I just need a little help. And they're living in your fucking barn again. We're done. No. So anyway, look out for yourselves. Look out for your friends and story. I hope Goldie enjoys his fucking Reno vacation. I hope he got to eventually. I mean, it sounds like he was tied to this case for fucking ever. So sorry about your family vacay that got ruined. Um, hopefully your marriage is still intact. Closing thoughts, notes. Just give us, if you'll wanna hear something, email us. Yeah. The lethal library@gmail.com. We're on TikTok. We've been really amping up the TikTok lately, guys. Yeah. And we are not talkers. No. So we're just trying to do some cies for you. Some fun stuff just for funsies, so, and it is fun. Follow us on Spotify, apple, Amazon, iHeart. You can listen to us there, subscribe so that you get the new episodes. Other than that, thank you, you for listening. Yeah, have a good night guys. All right. Ten four rubber ducky. Fuck yeah.

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