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25. Desert Deception: The Tragic Murder of Zacharia Street

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Welcome back to The Lethal Library! In this episode, Dani and Stephanie tackle the haunting case of Zacharia Street's 2003 murder in Idaho. Discover how three not-so-bright criminals—Jason Ryan McDermott, Rob Roy Wall Jr., and a teenage accomplice—botched an execution-style killing and delivered some ridiculous courtroom defenses. Expect our usual mix of sarcastic humor and jaw-dropping moments, plus a bizarre twist involving the 8th Amendment and constipation. Tune in for a wild ride!

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Stephanie:

Alright, well welcome back everyone to another episode of The Lethal Library. I am Stephanie.

Dani:

I'm Danny,

Stephanie:

and we are a True Crime podcast. We focus a lot on cases in our area of Idaho and the Pacific Northwest. a lot of death row cases, but not every single one. And Danny does an amazing job of finding a new true crime tale for us every week. So what is on the table today? Well, with friends like

Dani:

this who needs enemies? These guys are just not good people. Oh yeah. And they're fucking stupid. Common theme. Very common theme. It's just the, it just runs right through. On May 2nd, 2003, two farm workers in rural ADA county spotted something off the side of the road after exiting their vehicle and. Taking a few steps, they realized it was a body of a young man. The body was located on Pleasant Valley Road about four miles past Korra Road,

Stephanie:

and a lot of you locals like us, will know exactly where that's at. So it's just crazy hearing these stories and we're like, I know when I've been there. Well, and

Dani:

this is also the same exact road that the Idaho, State prison's on?

Stephanie:

Yeah, just they're

Dani:

just gonna drive a little bit. We're just gonna drive a little bit past our future home. Let's go.

Stephanie:

Yeah. Just go check yourself in now and save everyone some time. Please.

Dani:

The man had no identification, so the police reached out to the local news. They showed a faded black baseball cap that was found near the body to see if anybody could identify it. It was covered with about 25 safety pins with the initials LW on the front and lag wagon on the back. Lag wagon is a band

Stephanie:

lag wagon.

Dani:

We'll have to check that out. Yes, but it was pretty distinct. Police received about 25 tips from viewers. Not only for the identification of the body, but also suspects.

Stephanie:

Oh, so

Dani:

people already know the T. They know. Mm-hmm. Think you might wanna look at this guy or that guy. The victim was identified as Zacharia Street. Zach's parents who lived in the Caldwell area, learned of his death when they saw his hat on tv.

Stephanie:

Oh my gosh. Isn't that horrible seeing your kids' hat and like we, we found

Dani:

a dead body. And yeah, we found somebody, anybody recognizes hat

Stephanie:

and then you have to make the call and be like, yeah. Very distinct hat know exactly whose that is. That's terrible

Dani:

Police believe Zach was taken against his will on Friday morning and driven out to a remote area about 12 miles from Boise City Limits two men are arrested in connection with the murder of, Zach, who was 18. Jason Ryan McDermott 23 and Rob Roy. Wall Jr. 24 were arrested in a downtown Boise apartment. After the tips came in and can I just say, I had to really look at the name Rob Roy, so I'm like, it's a Rob Roy. Rob Roy. Yeah, it's Rob

Stephanie:

Roy. Good old Rob and Rob Roy Wall. That's a tongue twister. Thank you. Rob Roy Wall. Rob Roy Wall. Nope.

Dani:

Nope. A 17-year-old Daniel Earl Hosford. Also arrested in connection to the murder. And his name didn't come out in my research till later'cause he was a juvenile, so a minor. They all three are charged with first degree murder, McDermott and Wall. Recently moved to the Boise area after leaving Washington State Wall is on probation in Washington. He's a registered sex offender and has been convicted of rape of a child. Domestic violence and domestic assault.

Stephanie:

Literally the lowest of the low scum.

Dani:

Not a good dude. And, and he's a fucking 23. Yeah.

Stephanie:

What are you doing here? Do not come to my town.

Dani:

McDermott has been convicted. These two are a fucking pair. McDermott has been convicted of assault, forgery. An unlawful entry of a motor vehicle,

Stephanie:

a scam.

Dani:

I don't even know what that is. I,

Stephanie:

it must have been the only thing that they could get him on for some event. It sounds like one of those charges,

Dani:

McDermott and, Hosford drove to Washington to get wall. Like, we gotta go get her. Boy.

Stephanie:

Yeah.

Dani:

They returned to Boise and took Zach into the desert. The murder weapon was found under the gazebo at McDermott's apartment.

Stephanie:

Oh,

Dani:

didn't

Stephanie:

take that far.

Dani:

Blood on the muzzle was Zach's. And what was the weapon? A gun of some sort? Yes, it is a gun. It's coming.

Stephanie:

It is a gun.

Dani:

It's a nine millimeter.

Stephanie:

Oh,

Dani:

so I will repeat that later. Police state that Zach was recently arrested in connection with car burglaries, but had not been convicted. Ada County Sheriff Vaughn Colleen said it was a revenge killing and Zach was shot execution style.

Stephanie:

Dang. What is ever that serious at this age? Like,

Dani:

come on, Walla McDermott pled not guilty. And two weeks later, Hosford pled not guilty. The three will be on trial together while McDermott faced the the death penalty of convicted

Stephanie:

damn.

Dani:

You can't go out and just fucking shoo people

Stephanie:

in the middle of the desert and think that you're gonna get away with it. Like this is a mafia hit. Like we're taking'em out in the desert of Vegas. I want you to hang on to that thought.

Dani:

Oh

Stephanie:

gosh.

Dani:

Ah, how did I know In January, 2004, Haas Verdict agree to cooperate with prosecutors.

Dani (2):

Hmm.

Dani:

In a plea agreement, Hosford pled guilty to second degree murder. He will have to spend at least 10 years in prison with up to 15 years indeterminate. So max 25 years. But still, he's still, I mean, he's probably 18 by this time, right? Mm-hmm. But that means he's gonna have to testify he made that deal. But, you know, we've done stories where these guys. You know, they plead guilty and then they, they still end up, they get it worse than the guy that actually did the murder.

Stephanie:

Yeah. They don't make very good deals. No. So at least the see, and it's you, you know, it's who's gonna turn first again? Mm-hmm. and of this is the youngest one. So I can see why they probably thought, you know, had an in and were like, you're young. Don't let this throw your whole life away. You have a chance. And if it's gonna help the case and.

Dani:

in February. The fourth district, judge Darla Williamson, decided to hold separate trials for McDermott and Wall. Okay.'cause they're like Hosford pled, pled guilty. We already got the deal, but the trials, of course, are delayed. The original date for the trial, the trials were in September, but our move to January and April of 2005. Why? Why is that? We have a guest. There was a scheduling conflict due to the Abdullah murder case.

Stephanie:

Oh, Abdullah, you're just messing up everyone's schedule now. Yeah. I'm sure they wanted to get on that post case, if you guys remember that ca. Yeah. Case of, we need to clear this all up, because it was not looking good and there was a lot of,

Dani:

the, the narrative that was pushed by the defense about it being

Stephanie:

someone going after Muslim people,

Dani:

right? Let's just get this squashed right away because that's not what happened. You dirty Fuck

Stephanie:

Yeah. To try to blame that on killing your wife and kids. Not a great look, you're a dick. Yeah. Um, so they wanted to clear that all up. Let's just, right away we need it for the, I mean truly for the community.'cause it was causing division. No, it causing

Dani:

problems. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. They wanted

Stephanie:

to be like, this takes priority.

Dani:

Understood. In January, 2005, McDermott's trial starts prosecutor Pat Owen told the jury that Zach was dead because he did the right thing. Ooh. Zach told police that McDermott was breaking into cars. Do you remember, McDermott said Zach was a snitch and that he had to die

Stephanie:

such a, they want to go all crazy. Like this is a movie or something?

Dani:

Yes. Public defender Larry Smith said. McDermott is delusional. This is his public defender. McDermott is delusional, immature, and a thief, but was probably just trying to scare Zach when he fired the gun.

Stephanie:

Boo, are you kidding me?

Dani:

Oh, no quote. The shot was only about an inch from missing him.

Stephanie:

How are we? I'm like doing the equations in my head, like imagine being shot in the heart, let's say, and they're like, well, it was six inches from missing you. It wasn't on purpose. It's just trying to scare you. Are you scared? Like fun little prank, like how a, someone could even say that in a court of lobby. Like it almost missed him. So, yeah, it does almost doesn't fucking matter at this point. Like, this is wild. Who is this freaking lawyer? Oh my

Dani:

God. Smith said he will present evidence that McDermott has terrible eyesight and that the desert night was dark.

Stephanie:

How is this helping? He is, he can't see it almost missed him, but for some reason it just got him right in the head. He is just a lucky guy. What? For real. This guy has a law degree. I, in my mind, I'm like, if you can't see very well and you still did that, you were really trying to hit that. Like, I love

Dani:

that outlook on that'cause. Yeah. What are we

Stephanie:

doing? Smith?

Dani:

Mm McDermott appeared calm and collected during his trial. That's what the paper said. I think he was. Defiant is what I think, which is not calm and collected. No, he's being defiant'cause he thinks he's so fucking awesome. Prosecutor Owen said Zach was arrested in April, 2003 by Boise Police for breaking into a car. He cooperated with investigators and told them about others involved in the break-ins, including McDermot. When McDermott found out, he invited Zach to his apartment where he met Wall and Hosford. All four of the men got into McDermott's car and drove into the Desert McDermott then pulled a nine millimeter gun from the trunk and ordered Zach out of the car. He was then told to undress down to his underwear. And socks and kneel on the ground with his hands behind his back. This was the execution style. Yeah. Buddy Wall then suggested, eh, maybe we should wrap a shirt around Zach's head to contain the blood. Oh,

Stephanie:

okay. Yeah, we're totally just a harmless prank here. Uh. Uh, this is premeditation. So like, yeah, these were some young men literally thinking that they're some big, bad, cool movie and we gotta take care of business and this is how I saw'em do it. And this movie, like you can't tell me otherwise.

Dani:

McDermott placed the gun barrel at the back of Zach's head three different times. McDermott asked if he could fill it. Zach pleaded with them to take care of my sister.

Stephanie:

Oh my

Dani:

gosh. This is terrifying. McDermot pulled the trigger, shooting him behind the ear.

Stephanie:

This, it's cruel. It is, and it makes me even more roll my eyes at this defense of he can't see. Well, he clearly was pressing it on his head, asking him if he could feel it. You don't need great eyesight to do that.

Dani:

McDermott turned to Hosford and asked him to shoot Zach again. Hasper said he couldn't do it. Wal took Zach's pants and put them over his head and shot him in the temple.

Stephanie:

No need for that? No. Just wanted to be one of the cool kids here. Like what are you doing? Uh, I think

Dani:

McDermott was pressuring him just because he asked Hosford. It didn't say, uh, in my research ex exactly what he said to him, but I'm sure it was something like. Fine. Then you And I've been, honestly, I don't know if Hosford knew what was going, like, maybe he thought they were gonna go beat him up or whatever, but mm-hmm. Leave him. Leave him out there. Sure. Right. Uh, but can you imagine the guts it would take to say no to that when you just saw a man being shot? I'm not saying it's good. But there's an element of, but you're automatically putting your own life in danger by telling this guy no. Mm-hmm. It's real now

Stephanie:

it's real. It's not a little jokey joke anymore.

Dani:

And, for him to Elise say, I can't do that. I mean a something. Mm-hmm. Because the threat is real. It is. Defense is claiming this was just a loyalty test gone wrong. Yeah, I'd say more than that. they said, there is no doubt, that McDermott shot Zach, but they're claiming it was an accident.

Stephanie:

This is just the most bullshit fuckery I've heard in a while. Bold audacity. Where did they find it? It must have been on clearance because this is stupid.

Dani:

It's a bad defense. This

Stephanie:

is not just dumb criminals. This is dumb ass attorneys. I'm, I'm done.

Dani:

Defense attorney at Odyssey said McDermott was waiting a gun, trying to scare Zach when it went off

Stephanie:

if he was blindfolded, like he's na. Nearly naked kneeling. Yeah. I think you got someone about as scared as they could be if they're asking you to take care of their sister. That's about as scared as you could be, but sure. What else in this like great big creative imagination. Can we come up with

Dani:

prosecutor? Owen told the jury quote, this was not a test. Once Jason McDermott shot Zach in the head, they didn't need to scare him anymore. Yeah. Zachariah Street was on his knees begging for his life. He did nothing wrong. Not a single bit of this was by chance or accident. Thank you. Someone had

Stephanie:

to say it like, you're fucking an idiot. I bet the jury was like, thank you. Is this not obvious? If I was in this jury, I'd be like, yeah, that, that's ridiculous that you had to say that. Like it. So it is like an insult to your intelligence. Yeah. You know, like he literally touched his head three

Dani:

times

Stephanie:

with a gun, asked him if he could feel it. No, he was doing a little jiggy dance with it and was trying to like make him laughing and scare him a little bit. They were not shut

Dani:

celebrating.

Stephanie:

Yeah, no. Oh shit. A stray bullet. No. Was this a public defender or did they pay for this? Like, I imagine it was a public defender. Even for a public defender. I'm like, ugh.

Dani:

There's just no, I really think they're just grasping at straws because how do you defend dragging your friend out into the desert, having him get naked, nearly naked, and then shooting him in that wrapping a t-shirt around his head and then shooting? Can you imagine that? Poor, no

Stephanie:

wild stuff in this courtroom? Mm-hmm.

Dani:

After 10 hours of deliberation, the jury found McDermott guilty of first degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, and the use of a weapon in the commission of a felony.

Stephanie:

But bang. Thank you. I'm surprised it took that long, but maybe, I know that a lot of times premeditation is what? Like, oh, were they just gonna do that? And then he decided last minute. So I'm imagining maybe it was the premeditation that took longer than I would expect.

Dani:

And also, so I feel like this is a little bit late. This is a case that was, you know, the eighties and nineties, it seemed like we were getting four hours, I feel like. Mm-hmm. The culture of crime and, and trials and that kind of stuff took a turn after oj. Mm-hmm. Menendez people were taking. This very jury duty very seriously. Which they should. They should. and not willy-nilly just saying, yeah, boom dude.'cause we've seen four hours, death penalty.

Stephanie:

Mm-hmm.

Dani:

so I feel like I like seeing more time with the jury deliberating because I feel like. They're being more deliberate about it. Mm-hmm. And not just like, I feel like definitely this guy did it, or Definitely not. No. They're

Stephanie:

dotting their i's crossing their t's. Yeah. They're,

Dani:

they're taking some more time. And so I, I like to see that because that, uh, makes me feel like they're really taking the time to do their job correctly

Stephanie:

and less chance for a mistrial. Yeah. Or like not reading the directions correctly or. Whatever. Yes

Dani:

ma'am. That's where I was trying to go with that, but shit, you know, during the sentencing hearing a neuropsychologist. Yes,

Stephanie:

very nice. Danny

Dani:

said, McDermott has extensive brain injuries from being shot in 2001, and it severely affects his ability to process emotions. He lost a piece of his brain about the size of a tennis ball when he was shot in the back of his head in 2001.

Stephanie:

Good Lord.

Dani:

He was also dropped about 10 feet as a toddler, and that has caused him emotional and developmental problems. We don't shoot about it, ladies and gentlemen. No. But to get shot, how do you get how this is the second I, tennis fall size. Yeah. How do you get just shot in the head? Where were your parents?

Stephanie:

Yeah. Mm. Anyway. No, and I can see that that can definitely affect people's temperament and, and whatever. It certainly isn't an excuse, but it can explain the, you know, people's erratic behavior. I kind of think of it like cte

Dani (2):

mm-hmm. Of

Stephanie:

like how that Yeah. Just causes this completely erratic behavior. Sure. That can be a thing, but you can't go kill your whole family about it. It's, you can't do it. You can't do it. Yeah.

Dani:

Counselor Carol Hackney, who treated McDermott in 2002 while he was on probation from an organ offense, said she read some cryptic lyrics. McDermott wrote about him being shot.'cause I'm trying to figure out, and I'm gonna tell you, I don't know how he got shot. I, I couldn't find that, the circumstances. So that's why I included this in the song, that his counselor. Red. He wrote that the, he was sitting in the front seat of a van on the way to commit a crime when someone in the back seat shot him in the back of the head and then again in the shoulder as he fell out of the van, also terrifying. The hell

Stephanie:

was going on over there.

Dani:

I don't know what he was doing, but. So that was like a song that he made up about it. Mm-hmm. But I don't know the real circum, but he was shot in the back of the head.

Stephanie:

Yeah.

Dani:

And you don't do that to yourself? Maybe. I don't know. I was pretty bummed. I tried to find it. I couldn't. Prosecutors called on some Eugene, Oregon police officers to testify. They said that McDermott hoped to form a crime family. And he has been convicted of crimes like poisoning a man's drink with iodine, stealing checks for mailboxes and cashing them, and a history of threatening people with violence. McDermott began calling himself chaos, so he's

Stephanie:

trying to embody a villain.

Dani:

Mm-hmm.

Stephanie:

I see what's happening here.

Dani:

McDermott planned on leading the crime family through fear and intimidation. That's how they teach you to do it on the movies. Only one juror kept McDermott from the death penalty. 11. Out of the 12 jurors agreed that McDermott's crime had at least one of the three aggravating factors for the death penalty, but it has to be a unanim. Okay. In March, the prosecution announced that they will not be seeking the death penalty against wall. Buddy Wall prosecutor Owen said Wall was less morally culpable than McDermott for killing Zach and that justice would not be served if Wall was executed while McDermott was not. I see that.

Stephanie:

Yeah. Look at them thinking, putting a little common sense into it instead of just like you get the death penalty. You get the death penalty. Yeah. Everyone gets the death penalty.

Dani:

In April Wall's trial begins. During the trial we see a lot of the same players. And Hosford test testifies again with six days of testimony. It is in the jury's hands. 10 hours of deliberation and wall is found guilty of first degree murder. That

Stephanie:

10 hours, that's an hour magic number keeps coming up.

Dani:

Judge Darla Williamson sentenced both men to life in prison. McDermott will not be eligible for parole. Judge Williamson called him evil quote. This was an execution. You made Zach bow down before you, you made sure he was scared before you shot him. You killed him without sympathy or feeling. Yep.

Stephanie:

A hundred percent. Yeah.

Dani:

Wal can apply for parole after 25 years and Judge Williamson said. Quote. Zach was a good kid. He didn't deserve to die. Malls cried during the hearing and he was struggling to speak at times. Nice to see some remorse. I feel like he had remorse. Oh, well, lemme tell you what he said. No, he said quote, I feel like I let Zach down. Zach deserves to be alive. I see Zach everywhere I look, I have nightmares. I wish I, I would've tried a lot harder to stop McDermott from killing Zach,

Stephanie:

did they mention, sorry, I know I'm late to the game on this. Was there drugs involved?'cause I know obviously there's some mental things happening. Oh, I'm sure it sounds, I'm surprised that nothing has come up about it.'cause I'm just thinking the whole time. No, I'm sure.

Dani:

so they called them something. I can't remember. These are basically kids that, you know, thought they were being oppressed from their parents. and they were out a lot of couch jumping. that's why the, the car thefts like just still a little bit here. Mm-hmm. Get enough to get by. Still a little bit here. Get enough to get by. I mean, obviously you're not raking in

Stephanie:

no

Dani:

thieving from cars, like you're like. Dude, I found, you know, X, Y, Z, and it's worth 20 bucks. Like that's what we're dealing with here. So like stealing CDs?

Stephanie:

Yeah. At this

Dani:

time. Oh, not the binder of CDs. Gimme a binder of CDs and some change outta the ash or the

Stephanie:

face of the CD player where you're always had to take it off and put, like, take it with you. Or stealing stereo systems. Maybe they could yank it out real quick.

Dani:

Yeah. Can you believe that was a thing?

Stephanie:

I, I remember my sister, she was so freaking cool because she got a whole new system in her Honda Passport, all black, big rims, huge base, and it was just so cool. She'd click it off and throw it in her purse whenever we'd go somewhere like very, very cool. She's very hip and I was hip. By association. Yeah, I felt like it anyway. I wasn't really, but I definitely felt extremely cool. Mm-hmm.

Dani:

You see I have no face of a radio in here. Yeah. I can't mine because it's in my purse. Motherfucker can't steal mine. Oh shit. McDermott tried to tell the judge. That the prosecution had it all wrong. She responded, quote, Mr. McDermott, we all know what happened.

Stephanie:

Court is adjourned. She said, I'm gonna stop you right there. I

Dani:

love that. It was my favorite. This

Stephanie:

is, this is great. This is like a great moment where I'm glad that a judge stepped in and was like. You know what? Shut the fuck up. We're not even going to entertain that. So if that's what you're opening with, we've seen enough.

Dani:

Mm-hmm.

Stephanie:

We've seen what we needed to see.

Dani:

Um, yeah. The jury has convicted you and I'm handing down your sentence. You got it all wrong, judge. Yeah. No. Hmm. Uh, it's July and Hosford, has a sentencing hearing. He already pled guilty to the second degree murder quote. You were Zach's friend, but your loyalty unfortunately was to Mr. McDermott. I think there's good in you though. That was Judge Williamson. She sentenced him to 25 years with 10 years fixed is way different. This is, it just blows my mind. Kind of what the agreement was. Mm-hmm. And then what the judge does. Right. A agreements don't mean shit. The judge is like, yeah. I, I get to have a little say here though. Mm. Hosford told the judge quote, first of all, I would like to apologize to the streets for the pain and suffering I have caused. I can't imagine the pain that they're going through and I don't expect them to forgive me. A

Stephanie:

very grownup

Dani:

type apology. Hell yeah. I mean, bad you were there. I feel like he's a 17-year-old with a 23 and 24-year-old. I feel like he got just wrapped up into this shit. I don't think he really knew that that all was gonna happen.

Stephanie:

I, and even if he did, what? How much power does he have in this group? Dynamic? None. Still not an excuse? No. But I mean, like you said, he chose not to shoot him. I know that's a low bar, right? It is a low bar. But especially, I mean, as a high school kid, that surprised me that he was the one that said, yeah, I can't do that. I can't do that. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Dani:

And of course there are pills. Pills, and I'm not gonna go through all of'em, but I did find one interesting from 2015. Oh, let's hear it. McDermott filed a case against Warden Kim Miller for violating his eighth amendment by demonstrating deliberate indifference to his persistent constipation.

Stephanie:

What the. Can you just read that sentence again because it was so many unexpected words that I wouldn't think to be together in a court case that my brain just completely went, eh, what

Dani:

I know. Okay. McDermott filed a case against the warden Kim Miller for violating his eighth amendment by demonstrating deliberate indifference to his persistent constipation.

Stephanie:

I didn't know the Constitution covered deliberate indifference to constipation under the eighth amendment. I need to get out my pocket constitution and find out how this all ties in because, and I would

Dani:

just like to give myself a pat on the back because that is a lot, a mouthful. A lot of. Co a lot of,

Stephanie:

multi-syllable words. Thank

Dani:

you all

Stephanie:

at

Dani:

once and that you don't see together. Thank you. Demonstrating deliberate indifference to his persistent constipation. The

Stephanie:

next time you piss me off, I'm gonna say, are you demonstrating deliberate in indifference to my persistent ation? Ah, it is under the constitution that you can't do that Eighth amendment. Danny, ever read it?

Dani:

I just had to share that with you.

Stephanie:

That what a wild find. Mm-hmm.

Dani:

I'd be like, is

Stephanie:

this a misprint? Is this April Fool's paper? What happened here?

Dani:

McDermott. So the, this is the, the finding from the court. What did they finding? McDermott has failed to show deliberate indifference to his serious medical needs as required under the eighth amendment. The court said to the contrary, the record reflects that McDermott received continual medical care and that prison medical officials attempted to address his concerns through various diagnostic tests and treatment plans. McDermott offers no support for his claim that he is constitutionally entitled to be treated with brand name as opposed to generic Metamucil as he demands.

Stephanie:

Give me that. I don't want that count. You know, store brand shit. Give me my fucking Metamucil motherfucker. If it ain't the Metamucil, I can't even get a real Dax around here. Hmm. What the hell is this a prison?

Dani:

This place is? He acts like I went out and shot somebody in the fucking desert for no reason.

Stephanie:

Get him an off-brand NyQuil and take a nap, bro. How much time did you put into an appeal? I can't shit, and that is serious shit, but to take it to an appeal level.

Dani:

Mm-hmm.

Stephanie:

Pretty incredible. And then

Dani:

the court just says, eh, you, you failed.

Dani (2):

I'll never get

Dani:

over this. You can't shit. And you can't win a court case. Bye. I will never get over this. Why? I, what the hell? There's lots of appeals, but I just thought. You know what? I'm just gonna pull a fun one in. That's

Stephanie:

Well, and you, we know that most of the appeals are just rigmarole. Same stuff.

Dani:

Yep. They're just grasping straws and

Stephanie:

it's nothing new. Nothing new or interesting comes out. It's, there's no need to go into detail of each one, but yes. What a find. Thank you. What a amazing find. I try.

Dani:

so 2020 Hosford was released in July.

Stephanie:

I was doing the math and waiting for, were you math the update? Yes. I was using, my fingers carried the one, so he was released And these

Dani:

guys are still, I, I hate to say yeah, it's just'cause I'm old, but 2025 McDermott age 45 is currently in the Ro Correctional Center in Arizona. Him and, Martinez, Mr. Alfredo Yeah, are still down there. there was one other guy I, off the top of my head, I can't remember. And while. they send these long-termers down there. Mm-hmm. Um, and while's in custody at the Idaho State Correctional Institution and he is eligible for parole in 2028.

Stephanie:

That is so soon.

Dani:

Yeah, it's coming. Will he get it? I don't know, but

Dani (2):

I

Stephanie:

wonder. McDermott.

Dani:

I hope you can't take a shit.

Stephanie:

Yeah. I'm like, what? Is he still constipated to this day? I hope so. Or they do, they give him the real thing. Who knows? How's Saguaro treating you?

Dani:

You know what's really sad? He probably just needs some fucking flax seed or something probably, and he can't get it. Little fiber

Stephanie:

in your diet or something. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

Dani:

Sorry about your luck, bro. It's rough, but you murder about it and so go fuck yourself

Stephanie:

and what karma like to have, that's like you did, did the shittiest thing and now. You are so plagued, plagued by constipation that you brought it to an appeals court. You literally, you sued the warden, you cited the eighth amendment in relation to your discomfort of constipation.

Dani:

I can't, shit, I'm gonna write to the court about it. You

Stephanie:

know, you're extra constipated if you're willing to do that. Like, so I'm not sorry. It's not a fun time for you bud. I hope you get the great value brand of whatever the shitty is, Metamucil there is, and, enjoy that. Wow. Good one, Danny. Shorter one, but to the point. And it's just wild. The, the shit that you find. So thank you for that story. Yeah. All right guys. Hope you enjoyed shorty, but sweetie, today with a completely outta left field ending that you couldn't pay. It's a shitty

Dani:

ending.

Stephanie:

Yeah, shitty ending. but thank you for joining us again. thank you for following us on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram. reach out to us if you have any questions, comments, concerns. We are happy to chat with you. You can go to the lethal library@gmail.com if you'd like to email us. And thank you again, Danny, for your wonderful research in bringing us an unknown story of Idaho crime. Absolutely. Oh, and I have

Dani:

one ending thing. Lori Vallow. I got, another little guilty today. Go fuck yourself, Laurie.

Stephanie:

Yeah. Fuck yourself. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.

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