34. A Deadly Delay: The Rodgers Case Uncovered

Dani and Stephanie dive into another wild true crime tale straight out of Boise, Idaho. In this episode, they talk about the troubling and grisly murder of Preston Murr in the summer of 1987. Dubbed the 'Chop Chop House,' this case is notorious for its disturbing details: dispatch blunders, dismembered remains, and a convicted killer who somehow became a foster dad. Listeners will learn about a failed police response, a house full of drugs, and body parts floating down the Snake River. The hosts share detailed witness testimonies, including Rogers' laughable attempt at a defense, and how the case finally closed with a life sentence. Spoiler: It's as convoluted and jaw-dropping as it sounds!

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All right, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Lethal Library. I'm Stephanie. And I'm Danny. And we are here to tell you another true crime tale straight outta Idaho. But first, just some updates for you guys. One, apologies that this episode is out a bit late. We had some sound issues, so we had a part. We have to rerecord this part. so thanks for your patience on that. So we'll be releasing this tonight and then after this, we are going to take about a three week hiatus. we've got some end of summer plans and just kind of trying to finish the summer out strong. We hope that you are having an amazing summer as well. so we will be back, our next episode will be September 15th on a Monday. So keep an eye out. we might release some tiktoks and stuff in the meantime, but we will see you on the other side. So without further ado, Danny, what are we in store for today? Boise, Idaho, summer of 87. While the city's foothills were going up in flames, police got a nine one one call about a bloody brawl on West Lindon Street. Dispatches response, eh? We're busy. Yeah. By the time anyone decided maybe a bloody street fight was worth looking into, it was eight in the morning. Yikes. When the police finally showed up. They followed a bloody trail right to the porch of Daniel and Catherine Rogers. The couple swore they knew nothing, but the police weren't buying it. I bet. And that was before body parts started floating down the Snake River. Oh my gosh. Another one of those, these fishermen. It. That has been how so many people have been found. These fishermen are going into these remote areas looking for that great fishing hole, and for some reason that's where the body parts like to gather too. This is the story of Preston Murr, a young man who got caught in the cross hairs of a grudge over stolen drugs and cash, and of the convicted murderer and his sidekick. It's a tale of botch dispatch calls dismembered remains, and a killer who somehow became a foster dad before going back to prison for life. Wow, that's a crazy one. How do we get there? How do we get there? I just wanted to tell you that I did all of this research. Mm-hmm. And then I'm a newspaper galley. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna go, I'm reading articles straight out of the newspaper, but at the end of my research I always go, just hit the WWW and just see if there's anything out there. This is the story of the chop chop house. Oh my gosh. And I know we've had people request this. I remember someone specifically requested this, so if you're listening, here you go. But that's exciting. I feel like we're gonna have a, you're gonna have fresh perspective on it. I hope so. I think, I think you'll do just fine. Sources used today are articles from the Idaho Statesmen. Love You and findlaw.com. Nice. Okay. Ready to get into some chop chop house. Let's go.

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On June 30th, around 1230 in the morning, Boise police dispatchers received a nine one one call about a fight between two people at Leadville Avenue and West Lindon Street. The caller, Clinton Sparks reported seeing blood and that there was something still going on across the street from his house. He's like, I'm not going out there, but I'm letting you know there's some shit going down. Yeah, danger, danger. 40 minutes after that nine one one call was made. A police officer was finally dispatched, but declined the call. Oh, the Boise Foothills were on fire that night and the officer was working the fire. It was one of the largest in history at that time. So. Yeah. The police were up there blocking streets off. Yes. And doing things, maybe escorting people. Right. So he's just like, no, you need to call somebody else. I cannot get away. Yeah. I'm in the thick of it. Understandable. In the thick of it. And just so you guys know, the foothills area is like butted up against Boise and there are houses there and it's very close. Like it's dry, it's high desert. This is something where when it catches, it moves fast. You're having tall grass and sagebrush and it is a burning bitch. Yes. And so it can move very fast. It's very dangerous to the firefighters and everyone working. So it's serious when the foothills are a flame. Yes. And a lot of it, well there's idiot. We've had some bad fireworks ones'cause let's go to the desert and some fireworks. But a lot of it is lightning caused up there. Mm-hmm. But you still have idiots. So, uh, when that officer declined the call, the dispatchers didn't send another officer to take his place.

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Whoopsie.

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But a dutiful neighbor called again at 8:00 AM Hello. And police are finally dispatched to 8 0 5 West Lindon Street. Oh man. At 8:00 AM And this area's located off of Federal way close to Ivy Wild Park. So it's okay. Bench, right? Yeah, bench. Yeah, I think so. Correct us if I'm wrong. I think that's right. Please had a conversation about that today. And I, what's bench, what's not bench? People are very specific about what you call their area, like Garden City. Don't you dare call that Boise. And it's like, it's nice. You should just, you should probably take Boise actually. It's coming up. There's also some nice, it's not a bad, it is not a bad scary area, but there's some really nice homes along the river down there. Incredibly nice. And it is, it is coming up as well. Yeah. So we were like, oh my gosh, garden City's so scary. I'm like, have you been like, it's not eight mile. Okay, this is Idaho and people wanna say the same thing about Nampa and Caldwell. And I'm like, really? Really? It, it is still Idaho. It is still Idaho. There's the, you need to calm down. Calm down. When the police arrived on Lynden Street, they saw blood. It was in the street. And this led'em, they followed the trail. This led them up to, the porch while waiting for a warrant. The homeowners, Daniel and Catherine Rogers came home. Oh, where were y'all at? They insisted they didn't know anything about a fight and was not home last night. Yeah. Police, we weren't home. Who was bleeding all over my porch. We do need to find them'cause who's gonna fix all this blood? Police weren't buying it. And they're like, no. So they got their warrant and entered the home. Once inside, they found more blood. Oh, splattered. On the basement door and just 13 pounds of marijuana. The ana, oh man. Still legal in Idaho. Could they not have gone in there before they got the warrant and tried to maybe put them somewhere. Start flushing. You got two toilets in that house. Flush. Flush. I've had a bad taco bell, so you're going to hear some flush. Sorry. Whoopsie. What was it? Just sitting on the coffee table. What the fuck? Authorities also located several bullet holes. Oh no. In walls and a gun. The pair was arrested for possession of a controlled substance with the intent to deliver 13 pounds. Bitch, don't play. That's not for personal use. Okay, my habit. No, sir. You don't even understand my habit. If you were Willie Nelson, maybe don't try to pull that shit. Mm-hmm. No, I just share it with my friends. I have glaucoma authorities didn't know who the blood belonged to, but it was enough that they thought someone had died from the blood loss. That is a concerning amount. This isn't a whoopsie. I was chopping veggies and cut a little bit of my thumb off. No, and you have bullet holes, 13 one pound packages. So it was wrapped up nice and tight to, and can, can I just say you are so lucky that the original officer didn't show up at 12:30 AM. What were y'all doing in the meantime? You had eight, seven and a half hours to put your 13 pounds of weed somewhere else. Maybe clean something up, put some pictures over the bullet holes in the wall. This is drugs. Because you could have even said, Hey y'all, you, you don't need a warrant. Just come do a quick walkthrough. No one's here. Everything's fine. But no. What? Where the fuck were you? Well, they were getting home at 8:00 AM they were busy. Uh, I think by the time that they arrived home, it was actually more around noon. Oh my God. And then you're gonna hear a little bit about this later in the story. but I don't think they got the warrant, if I recall, until like 2:00 PM Yeah, it was a lot slower then. I mean, we're working on like landline phones and shit. Yeah. Radio. Gotta call a judge. Yeah, a warrant. And the judge doesn't have a cell phone on him right now. So it's like, I was out, I was having breakfast with the boys, it's my golfing day. What the fuck? So that was just a little friendly reminder. That was on June 30th. Okay. On July 3rd, a fisherman was out on the Snake River at Brownley Reservoir in Washington County, about 20 miles northwest of Weezer, Idaho. He was looking for the perfect spot to throw in a line. It was 4th of July weekend. He's enjoying. He's like, I got days off. Let's go. We're getting on the river bitch. Let's pack up. Hey wifey, let's make a little picnic all the kids up, honey, grab some beers, some sandwiches. Let's fucking get some bologna. Let's go. So he was, he was looking for that perfect spot. Yeah. And he spotted something odd was not the perfect spot. Not he walked towards the object and once upon it, he realized it was part of a human torso. A torso. I mean, finding any body part. But I feel like that's extra shocking because there's no explaining that like, oh, someone had a boat accident, lost a, can I just emphasize? Tell me it was part of a human torso. Oh, no one wants to see that. I know last week we said we're not gonna get into nitty gritty details this week. It's a huge part of the story. So, uh. Brutal. Very brutal. The man went back to his family where his wife was preparing lunch, just having a great freaking 4th of July weekend and loaded, Hey fam, get in the fucking, get in the fuck. Get in the fucking car in the boat. Get in the fucking car. She's like, what? She's like halfway. I could just picture, she's like, I've spent, I've made a really good fucking sandwich for this whole family. Do you not see how much time I spent on this tuna salad sandwich? I was up this morning boiling eggs. It is your favorite and you specifically requested it, and now it's, fuck me. Now it's, fuck me. We're, we're getting in the car. Can I at least clean up? Can I at least put in we, I can put it back in the cooler. I can put it in. It's a go bag. Get in the fucking car, Linda. We gotta go. He took his family and they headed to Weezer to find the sheriff. What, how. What a way to ruin a great family outing. I'm, I'm just pissed at the whole circumstance of like, and that poor family, every 4th of July has to think about. Right? Remember that one time when dad came back and he said, get in the car. And it was'cause there was a body. Remember that traumatizing everyone. My dad found a, a torso out in the fucking sagebrush and I never got to have my tuna sandwich. This is my favorite. Poor little Johnny was like, and Linda's still pissed.'cause you know, they were all traumatized that that tuna sandwich thrown away. It was never utilized. It's no longer the favorite in the fa No, they went, they went to chicken salad after this kind of close. Maybe they just went to like a nice Turkey. Turkey. Turkey cheese. Yeah, Turkey cheese, sand. Okay. You can't fill with a Turkey cheese. The next day, Washington County sheriff officers along with a Boise Police Department. Discovered the legs, arms, oh no. And upper torso. One mile downstream. That is honestly crazy that they are 20 miles right down in the river from, they're 20 miles from Weezer. So Brownley. It's right on the border. Yeah. So yes, you're right, they're down. But that they found all of these parts, not, not everything. It doesn't sound like, is it every part of the body that they found? Oh gosh. It's coming. Sorry, I'm skipping ahead guys. Slow down stuff. My brain's going a hundred miles an hour. On the third day, authorities found ahead in some sage brush by the river. All of the body parts were discovered, with the exception of some fingers. That is crazy. Look, the Snake River is a brutal bitch. She has a lot of undercurrent. I think we've even talked about this before. They failed if they found the murderers, the disposal people failed if they found everything. But some fingers. Yeah. Okay. Because just even getting stuck in, there's so much brush that can, and logs and undercurrent and, and stuff that you cannot

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to unless you're on around. People die in that river every year. Every year we have somebody die in the snake because it looks, it's a, it looks calm. It's very wide, it looks calm. There's a lot of under toes in there. And getting stuck in those trees and stuff on the side. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh man. Mm-hmm. but also, you fucking, why aren't we weighing it down or something? Come on. Why are you leaving? It just in the sagebrush. We're just tossing

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anyways. They suck. They're not good at their job. Absolutely stupid. Thank God. But, and it took them that long. They had so much time and it took'em this long to do that and they couldn't even clean up their house to at least hide the drugs.'cause even if you've cleaned up good enough where they don't know a murder happened, what about the 13 pounds of weed on the coffee table? Can we just put that away? Fucking God, babe. You think you can drive that over to your mom's? Yeah. Hey, what about our friend James? He'd hold it for us. You don't think he'd smoke too much, right? Let him, let him have a bowl or two. Coroner, Irwin Sonenberg said it was, quote, the most gruesome murder in my experience. That's saying something. The coroner did not know when the murder occurred, but is believed to have happened in Boise. They're on these fuckers. Yeah, they're stupid. This is ridiculously just terrible. Did they think of anything? No. Like not even the blood. There's a trail of blood leading to your house, trail of blood in your house. If you at least cleaned your house, you could say, oh, someone must have been hurt and tried knocking on our door and left. They must have just tried to been getting help. They probably went that way, officer. We weren't home. Yeah. Oh, whoops. Well, let me tell you a little bit about the victim, Preston Murr and about his, let's hear about Preston. Preston Murr had attended a funeral on June 29th. Okay. I'm unsure who it was for. I could not find that close to him. After the services, Preston and a few others from the funeral, like got their drink on as you do, got a little ratty, a little out of control, little cheers to our dearly departed. A small fight broke out and the police were called up. Mur and the other two involved were cited by Boise Police for disorderly contact. They were taking it too far. Yeah. They're like, get your shit together. Right. I get you're sad. Good morning. Lay off the drink. They probably gave him a break. It was probably, he's probably fighting with his cousins. Yeah. You know how that goes. Oh yeah. Family emotions running high. Preston went back to his sister's house where he had recently been staying along with his girlfriend. Carla Preston later called the police and said that someone called him and threatened to kill him. Oh. Preston called Daniel Rogers to ask him if he knew who would be threatening him. Oh, buddy. I'm getting calls and he's obviously inebriated, like he's, yeah, maybe he sobered up a little bit, but he, he came home and I, I don't know the dates. Well, and this is before caller ID or anything. No, you have no fucking idea who's calling you. That's when you could be a sneaky ass bitch. Just, there's no way to find out who is calling you. No. So Daniel Rogers was an acquaintance of his, he'd known him for a couple months. I was like, yo, bro, I just talked call. Do you know somebody that would be like threatening me? And then Preston left the house. Okay. So that was the 29th. On July 1st, two days later, girlfriend Carla called Tanya Preston's sister, where they had been staying. And told her quote, I think your brother is dead. Oh. And TA was out of town visiting her husband while he was working in Klamath Falls, Oregon. And Tanya was like, well, coming home, well, what am I supposed to do? I'm coming home right now. Oh, how scary.'cause this is, this is the July 1st, so she literally hasn't seen him for over a day. Mm-hmm. So she's trying not to be overdramatic, but if there's been things that happened that would you, she's like, mm. You have that feeling, you have to say something. I don't know how long I would wait. Like I don't wanna be like the drama girlfriend. Exactly. But he's not home. Okay. If he's not home by morning, I'm gonna call his sister. I just an Amanda, I would be like, that's always a thing. A thing. Yeah. You don't wanna be overdramatic. And he's like, yo, I was just at my buddy Tony's house or something like, why are you calling my sister saying I'm missing? You know? Right. Mm-hmm. You're doing all of that. Yeah, that's what I think. We've all probably done that before. And that's what's going on in your head when that happens? No, I've had it with me and like if Rick, one time Rick and I, I misunderstood what he said and I thought that he was gonna be home and then he didn't come home and then he didn't answer his phone and I was extremely worried to the point where I called where I thought that he was. And then I went to the house to be like, if they, he just said they're just outside and then they weren't there. And I found out through the ring camera, I did not understand like what he said he was doing. I thought he was at one place and he was at another. And anyway, it was resolved, but it was one of those, you're trying not things where you feel that in your gut and you're like, what if I don't do something right? And then it is something serious. So I would rather go and be like a little bit of a weirdo and be like, Hey, sorry to show up at your house, but I, you just have that feeling. Yeah. So Carla was hanging onto it. I feel bad for her because she probably didn't wanna freak out his sister. She was out of town visiting with her kids. Mm-hmm. Her husband, she doesn't wanna be causing drama, so she's like, okay, today I'm causing drama. First thing. But for her to say, I think your brother is dead. Yeah. She knew there had to be things that she knew about their conversations, that it was enough to be like, this can't just be a fluke. While sitting in jail on drug charges, Daniel Edward Rogers age 37, was arrested and charged with first degree murder. Of Preston Murr. Mm. Police also charge Darren Jimal. Cox. I might not be saying that right? It's J-I-M-E-L. Good try. In my opinion. Maybe it's Yael like Jimal. Jimal. We're gonna say Jimal. Okay. Cox. Age 31 with first degree murder by aiding and abetting Rogers and Preston's murder Ro. And I was unable to locate anything of note for Darren Cox, but I did for Rogers. Hmm. In previous life in Vallejo, California in 1977, Rogers 27 at the time was convicted of second degree murder. No. Yes. We gotta, I'm telling you, we got double downer. We have got to fix this second degree murder because there are so many cases where people just get next to fucking nothing. Oh, tell me about this fucking second degree murderer. The victim, George Weatherwax, age 24 was found dead on the side of the road. And I think it was kind of like a, a highway freeway Sure. Kind of thing. I mean, I don't know a lot about Vallejo val, the way it was like a, there was a certain word that they used for it, and it's not coming to me now, but it was like an expressway. Okay. Yeah. So, okay. That was the word I was looking for. It's very nice. Fancy dug deep. we don't have expressways here. We don't, we have a connector. We barely have paved roads in running like water. I know it's Idaho guys, did you collect your rain water today? Stuff? I, it's been so dry. We haven't had a trouble. I know. he was found out on the side of the road. He had been shot in the head execution style. Oh. Police said drugs were involved. George had been shot a total of four times, but he still had several hundred dollars on him and some checks, which back in the day check was easy. Breez Oh, you could check was basically cash. You could go to the fricking IGA anywhere. just sign away. Boom. As a child you could take a check as a child and they're like, this must be from your mommy with a cigarette. No. Yeah. So Brasfield Mommy also wants a pack of Marl Bros. Do you remember Brassfield? Did you live by there? No. Mm-hmm. So Brassfield was right across the street from, so. 12th and Dewey. Okay. they had burger King. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brassfield and then like the Keystone Pizza. I remember the Keystone. So it was the gas station that was the local gas station for me. So my mama sent me down there with the, with the note. Yeah. Mom gave me the note. Alright sweetie, I You get some loser and cough drops and a pack of cigarettes, please. They, it was a normal thing. Yeah, it was. It was. so yeah, George hadn't been robbed. That's, that's what the police, which is interesting with a few hundred in the eighties. Right. Or se this is seventies, I think 77. Yeah. Yeah. That's good money. Yeah. this is so sad though. George's brother saw him lying in the road on his way to work surrounded by police. No. Can you believe that? And he thought it was him. Yeah. So, Rogers and his younger brother were charged in the crime, but Rogers said he did it. He killed George Little and pled guilty to second degree murder something. He did it to save his younger brother from going to prison. I also, I think hes, I, I can't remember if I say this later. I think he served five years. That is so ridiculous. And we don't know all the details of this case, but shooting someone execution style does not indicate self-defense. No, it was four shots, fucking drugs and purposeful. Mm-hmm. This isn't like I was running and fighting and I had to five years. I think that's where we ended up. Yeah. Some people get three years for second degree murder. Yeah. And then they get out on good behavior after one. I just cannot believe that this shit happens. And second degree murder pisses me off in the most part. So, so much more than a lot of like the death row cases and stuff because you see when people come back or do terrible things or just, even if they don't do anything terrible, how, how terrible for the brother that had to see him on the road on his way to work and think someone got to spend three years of their life in jail. Three years goes by fast. Especially once you get hit your thirties and everything that goes by very fast. It's like, I'm gonna get an education and I'm gonna get out. Yeah. Right. Maybe some participate. Make me some bros. Yeah. Learn how to do crimes better, because li listen, they're not rehabilitating these people. You're making connections with other criminals that you can coordinate with. How do you think he got 13 fucking pounds of marijuana in Idaho? Idaho? Yeah. Probably his homie he met in fucking jail. Oh, this pisses me off so bad. So, just my, if I'm wrong on the five year, but it was a short time. I think it was five years. I didn't, I can't believe I didn't write that down. Anything less than like 15 years was just a complete slap in the face. Well, this is only 10 years later that this is all happening. Yeah. What the hell? It's like, I gotta get out of Vallejo, man. let's go, let's, let's go to Boise. Can't get in any trouble there. Be big time kingpin. I also discovered that after being a convicted murderer. Rogers and his wife were foster parents for three teenage boys over a 15 month period until January 9th, 1987. And people are pissed when they find out about this. I don't see how anyone couldn't be pissed. Like what, what else, what, what's the line of do you have to be convicted of sexually abusing not just one, but maybe five kids or more? Let me tell you. Oh my god, Danny, I'm gonna shake my microphone again. So this is in the news everywhere, right? People are pissed. state officials blame the FBI for not finding Roger's prison record when he applied for a foster care license in October of 1985. And I thought it was a little weird, let me tell you.'cause he's, he was 37 ish right? When all this was going down and I thought. Why is he having teenage boys? But I forget, back in the day we were having kids at 20. Right. So he had a teenage son at the time. Okay. So it, it didn't make sense as far as he wasn't being like creepy. Like, Ooh, teenage. I did not get that vibe at all.'cause I was like, why not fucking you having boys in your house? He had a teenage son. So just, but they can't look at other records and states, there was no complaints from the boys about their state. Yeah. They probably got as much weed as they want. Yo, my foster dad, you wanna buy some, they're probably selling it, making their own business at school. They got a great hookup. They are being entrepreneurs, so. Yeah. Well, and let's be clear if y'all, if people are involved in this, and maybe if you, if you guys wanna disagree with me, let me know. But if you are involved in like the drug dealing life and the criminal life and you're trying to get foster kids, I find it incredibly hard to believe that you want to foster children. I find it very easy to believe that this is a guaranteed check that you can get every month, and you can choose to do it how you want. So you can choose how much you wanna spend on food and whatever, and whatever else. It's, it's a business opportunity where you can turn it into profit and it's a guaranteed check every month. That's my opinion. And you can, they can sell joints to their buddies at school. It's a burgeoning enterprise of amazingness. We're, we're taking over Boise. Here's your, um, trail money. Uh, I'm gonna give you two joints. I'm gonna need at least five new customers this week. Allowance. That was the big word I was looking for. Jesus. We go, here's your allowance. I'm gonna give you two joints. It's your choice whether you wanna smoke'em or smoke'em or sell'em. Sell'em to your buddy and you can go down and buy some new shoes. Yeah. You want some business acumen? Let's, I'll tell you how to be a drug dealer. Yeah. And if you do good. If you wanna buy more from me, if you decide to, then I'll give you four joints for your allowance. Yeah. And then you can choose to smoke one. No fronts. No fronts. Never front to a preteen. Everyone knows that. I'm just kidding, but I'm just like imagining this fucking conversation. Okay. God. Woo. We get off. Okay, here we go. A health and welfare employee visited the home three times in that 15 months and did not find anything unusual. What? They didn't have the marijuana on the fucking coffee table in the front room. There wasn't a concerning amount of blood to the point where you're like, someone definitely died here. So they were like every, all good. They were probably scheduled, they're probably like. Boys. You cannot smoke pot in the house today. You have to go outside in the backyard, but keep a mindful life for a state vehicle pulling up. You put that shit out, go brush your teeth, go sit in your room like good little boys. Put on your polo. Yes. Tell them about your academic studies. Yes. Yeah, yeah. If they had ax back then ax it up. Well, and here's a, it was a different time. It was so, unless a kid was looking beat to hell, starved beat to hell and starved visibly. yeah. And Catherine probably kept a tidy house. Mm-hmm. You have to, you cannot be running a drug house. You have visitors unexpectedly all the time. Yeah. Gotta keep it mindful. Good lord. so the application to become a foster parent. Do you have a heartbeat? Yeah, pretty much. it requires three personal references. yo I know. Remember last week, I, I sold you that, that pound of weed. Listen, I'm gonna have, So don't freak out. But the state's gonna call you and you don't need to worry. They're not gonna come by. You just need to tell'em that I'm an awesome dad, very involved, and that our house is clean and that you vouch for me. I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw in a free joint on your next purchase. Yeah, that's good. And maybe, you know what? Free delivery as well. You don't even have to come to me. I'll bring it to you. I'll even swing by, I'll even swing by, I'll come to you. so the three personal references. A health history,'cause god forbid, you know, anyway, an employment background. You got a job, motherfucker. He probably didn't anyway. his social security number and a birthdate. Wow. Yeah. That's all you need to be, dude. McDonald's requires more, more, but it also asks three specific questions. And this is where, this is where he did not lie. They didn't lie. The questions are if they had ever been convicted of a crime that involves children. Whether they have been involved in marriage counseling or treatment of child abuse. Look, the marriage counseling is a super big red flag, not murder. We don't need to ask about murder. Yeah. God forbid you went to counseling for your marriage. okay, so the marriage counseling, treatment of child abuse, alcoholism, or other, just other problems. Do you have any other, do you have problems? Other problems? No. You're approved. The application is then forwarded to the State Attorney General, then to the Idaho Department of Law Enforcement to determine if they have any criminal record with the state. With this state, correct. But then, oh my God, they forwarded on to the NCIC, which is the FBI's National Crime Information Center, which that gives me, that makes me feel like, okay, at least. Someone, FBI had so much more reach and so that that department is responsible for alerting state officials. If an applicant has a record in other states, they're the body that's able to do that because they technology could not do that at the time. N nothing FBII am so fucking, and it just, it just goes to show, I mean, kids still slip through the cracks nowadays, even with the advancements of technology and everything. But especially back then, people didn't even think of kids as people like, oh no, Uhuh. They did not give a fuck. It was a thing like, unless I see you abusing a child in front of me. Yeah, we're gonna give you 15 foster kids. Yeah. Just don't ever be abusing a child in front of my eyeballs. And if you're gonna do that, let me know that so I can turn away. But I will say one good thing that came about because of all this and there was public outrage. Outcry. Yeah, yeah. this news causes the Idaho Health and Welfare Department to beef up their background checks, beef it up by requiring fingerprints going forward to anyone who contracts with the department to care for kids in state custody. That it, it's, it's progress. And especially back then, that's a big step. People were pissed. God, the unbelievable, you have a convicted murderer taking care of what the fuck. And I know that they're not an upstanding, like I could understand if, maybe you could explain that away. And now you are a youth group leader, or you're literally a kid's softball coach, or you've proven all these things. You're in to charities and you're doing all these things and so you're like, you can prove it. these people were not doing that shit, that 13 pounds of marijuana. Okay. sheriff von Colleen admitted the dispatcher committed an out and out blunder. He said A blunder, a fucking blunder. That is so, like, we're not in the fifties. We had a little bit of a blunder. He said, we screwed up. He did. He said, we screwed up. I mean, good that you're admitting it and not trying to, because I hear that way too often where they try to explain it away and he does a little explaining. Okay. He said, dispatchers were under a lot of pressure that morning. Sure. A large fire in the Boise foothills was being fought and the nine dispatchers working. Were trying to coordinate firefighters, police and paramedics. Okay. Still now we see the consequences. It could have been a crime that, it was just an argument that neighbors were freaking out about and nothing happened. But it wasn't this time. Unfortunately, two dispatchers are later suspended without pay for their failure to dispatch Boise Police. And that's more than I said, for a lot of shit. One was suspended for 30 hours, the other one for 40 hours. It was probably a week. They probably had like a, they got suspended for a week. Not I, I mean, and it could have been, you can't place all of the onus on them. Like, no. Where was your supervisor? so yeah. So at least he said, yeah, we fucked it up. It was an out and out blunder. Yeah. in October, Rogers and Cox's public Defenders asked for fourth district Judge Robert Newhouse to be disqualified from the case. Oh. And it's granted we've had newhouse. What was the reason? ADA County prosecutor Greg Bower said. Quote, Newhouse has shown an inclination to use the death penalty, and I think they want somebody with a little less still in their back. This was the, this was the time where this was it. Like, I, death penalty, death penalty. Death penalty. And to be in that time So notorious for it. Yeah. When everyone was kind of doing it. Yeah. It was kind of the thing. You were doing it too much. Yeah. But yeah, let your foot off the gas a little bit there. Lemme give you some, shoplifting, death penalty.

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Pretty

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much. Uh, the new judge assigned is fourth district Judge George Care. Hey, Georgie. Finally in late October, I don't even know how this fucking works. Rogers and Cox enter their not guilty plea Trial is set for February next year. Attorneys Emil M and John Adams have asked for the trials. To be split. And they're Roger's attorneys. judge Carey agrees to separate the cases, but the rec, the request for a change of venue is denied.

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Hmm.

Dani: 40:05

Rolfe Keen seen him before. Cox's attorney asked the judge just to dismiss the charges against him for insufficient. You gotta try it. It's your job is you never know. Sometimes it happens. March 7th. 1988 Roger's trial begins, and the first thing that happens, not exactly the first thing, but very close to the first thing. First big thing, defense attorney m asked for a mistrial because during opening statements, ADA County prosecutor told the jurors that Rogers was already in police custody on other charges when he was arrested for the murder of Preston. Whoopsie, get our dates mixed up or something. Isha said that it had already been agreed in pre-trial motions, that other pending charges would not be brought up during the trial. He said Bower clearly violated the court's ruling and forever tainted the jury panel. And Judge Carey said, suck it anyway. Anyway, I mean, kudo way to fight for your client. Let's move, let's move forward. And it helps not have a mistrial. So I know some people get really pissed when people are like, why would you say to dismiss it? Look at all this evidence. It's their job. Yeah. And them checking that box and proving that they're doing, pulling every tool they might have helps not have a mistrial or like a appeal where it's like they could have done this and they never did. So now we'll never know. So yes, defense. Pull all of your special tricks. So Prosecutor Bauer told the judge he only made reference to Roger's arrest because he planned to point out that Rogers would have had to have dispose of Preston's body before 3:00 PM on June 30th when he was arrested on other charges. Okay. So he had a reason and judge car like hi. He said, judge, I did my homework. I think you'll agree with me on this. So I'm gonna give you a lot of tidbits of testimony. I love a good tidbit. Not in super detail, but just like this is happening. Well,'cause we know how, how testimony goes. Sometimes the questioning is so basic for like 15 minutes. Who are you? What, how do you apply to this case? I'm just gonna break it down to the good juicy parts. Give us the juicies neighbors of Rogers testified. They heard a disturbance outside on June 29th, 87. Clinton Sparks. Remember he was the guy that called 9 1 1 originally. he testified that he heard a thud on his door and heard someone scream. He later discovered blood on his door. He tried to go to his house. Another neighbor testified they heard a man yell, let me go. I'm sorry. Let go of me. I don't wanna be misquoting anybody. Sure. so I'm gonna, this is what is happening. They're attacking this poor man and he is running for his life and trying desperately and banging on neighbor's doors. Do you remember at the beginning of the story when I said they found blood on a door and a back window of another house? He was hitting up multiple neighbors. He was getting anywhere he could. Okay. And just imagining, imagine something waking you up outta your sleep and you hear a fight, a violent fight and screaming, and you don't know who's who. I'm not opening. You don't. Who's the aggressor? I like to think I'm not. I am would not be opening the door espec. And listen for me as a woman, if it had been a woman, I would've been more apt to do it. But hearing men, you don't know what the hell they've been up to out there. You don't know who's the aggressor, who originally started it, and if, especially if you're alone or if you're inside with your wife and your family, children's not opening the door. Yeah. You're calling the police and hoping that the fucking dispatchers send somebody out. Thank you. This is true. No blunders. Please. What an unfortunate stroke of fate that it was the same night as these fires. And what would've happened differently if the fire wasn't there? Yeah. That's so crazy to think of. officer Mike Majors testified he found an ax buried in a garden area next to the Roger's home. It had blood on the handle and on the ax, a fucking ax. And you buried it in your own garden on your own property when you had 13, over 12 hours and 13 pounds of marijuana in the front room. So it was, it was actually found on the basement rug. I'd like to think of it sitting on the, it might as well have been sitting Yeah. On if there's a trail of blood all over and on the basement door, they're gonna go in the basement. Hello. Ada County Coroner, Dan Christman testified about the numerous bloodstains found around the home. This was a bloodbath. When you have first responders saying, this is the worst thing that I have ever seen, they have seen some shit. Mm-hmm. Accidental and on purpose. They have seen some wild shit and. just to compare, you guys have heard us talk about Kim Fest and why that is, and I will tell you that the first responders to Kim's scene, they described it the same way. You can look it up online, Kimberly Larson. But these first responders have also stuck with the family. They have come to community events. They are forever bonded. they did, they did everything that they could, but these types of cases are so impactful, even for those people, that this is their job. They're used to it. For them to say something like this is huge. Carl Kitchen told the jury about how he discovered body parts on the Snake River. While on that 4th of July fishing trip of this family, he said, quote, as I got closer to the reservoir, I saw a strange object. I saw it had to be a piece of human body from above. The navel just below the leg joints for it to be so unrecognizable. I mean, can you really imagine, how would you like, well, in the human brain, I mean, right when you see something like this, you're like, that's gotta be fake. That's like what causes bystander where, where you're like, this isn't really happening. You know, what is that? Uh, there's no way. I remember that case where the guy was out, deer hunting and he saw that round object, and he just was like, surely that's not a skull of a human. Right. And he, it was. And then it's unmistakable. you're like, oh no, that's what I'm really seeing. Washington County Sheriff Jim Johnston said, police recovered other body parts including hands, a thigh, fingers a forearm, and the remainder of the torso and the head. And can you imagine being on that job duty, like, Hey, we're looking for body parts today. not a, not a great day on the job at all. so thank you to those that do it and I'm so impressed and just thankful that they found this much.'cause without it, could you imagine doing this case without a body? He was bloody and he just ran away and, and decided to disappear. He thought someone was trying to kill him. Well, nobody was getting convicted of anything.'cause remember they were arrested for all of the drugs. Mm-hmm. On the 30th. They figured somebody had probably died there. They had nothing without a body. It complicates everything.'cause you could be like, yeah, they got in a fight and he decided to go to Canada to,'cause he knew someone was gonna kill him. Yeah. And he'll, he'll disappear forever. So without a body it would be so hard. So thank you to those folks that had a really terrible day on the job of doing a scavenger hunt for body parts. How terrible is that? Boise. Detective Dave Smith testified that Cox. Mm-hmm. Remember Buddy Cox? Yeah. Led police to a dumpster in Meridian where they found garbage bags, oh shoes, socks. And a pair of gloves that were saturated with a red like substance. Wonder what that was. I'm just telling you, if this was nowadays, it would've all been DNA tested and all that. Yeah. But this is 87, so they're just gonna assume it was blood. Okay. I mean, the guy who is con charged with being in conflict 80 and a Betty, is showing you, oh, let me just show you this dumpster. So that just proves what he's saying. Yeah. If you know where the all the goods are hidden. Todd Cluff, A friend of Rogers testified, Rogers told him some Coke had been ripped off from his house and some money. About a thousand. I knew there was more than just weed. I knew it about a thousand dollars worth. And that's a lot. It is. I mean, 87. Todd said, Rogers said he was sick of getting ripped off and that he had a way of finding out who had done it and that they'd be sorry. So he's, this is a very, he has problems. This guy is, I knew there meant to be drugs. Drugs. Stimulant involved. Yeah. Drugs. a convenience store. A clerk testified that she saw a tall, slender black man and a white man enter her store around 9:00 AM on June 30th in Weezer. They grabbed a cup of coffee and left and look, I'm gonna bring this up. 87 a black man. Very reckon. Just the truth you guys. And it's not just, even now, even in 2025, our population of. African American black people here in Idaho is very low. In 87 it was next to nothing I'm sure. So she was gonna remember seeing, so it's not like, oh yeah, I saw these guys come in. Like, it was a very, the only reason I'm bringing this up is because it was a very, it'd be, it'd be different. is what I'm trying to say. It was very credible. Yeah. That was all, just to explain that this was probably very credible testimony. an acquaintance of Rogers, Barbara Fleming, testified Rogers came to her house on the 30th, a little bit before noon, and said police were surrounding his house. Oh. He said, Hey, you mind going over there and see what's going on? That's all you can. There's no cell phone. So this is a good, this is the first smarter thing that I've heard of. Like, especially if you knew that you killed somebody, though. I mean, this is like the bare minimum. It's like, shit, the pot. Can you do a quick drive by? See if they're pulling any bags of marijuana outta there. Did they find a blood ax? Say you're a concerned neighbor or something. Did they find the ax? Do you see him in the garden on the side? God, are they in the garden? Rogers had told police that he had spent the night at his parents' house along with his wife and kids, as you do. It was, it was movie night with the gramps. another Boise police officer testified that fingerprints on a 3 57 Magnum, er, Rogers, Rogers had purchased that gun in the summer of 86. Human blood and hair was found on the gun and in the gun. Oh, that's, that's bad. That's close range. That's, ooh, that's gnarly. the blood type was OI just wanna remind listeners, this is 87. the blood type was o, which matched both Rogers and Preston. Wow. And that's like the rarest, is it Type O, I think is the rarest. I don't know anything they can give to everyone, but can only receive typo. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but the biggest thing that this officer said is that when Rogers was arrested, he had no injuries. So he said, yeah, there's, there was blood. Yeah, it matched, but he was fine. Can I just say, knowing that, the victim was unarmed, was, was trying to get away and doing all of these things and this motherfucker had a gun that he had discharged several times and probably shot the guy. Did he sh was it proven that he shot the guy? Yeah. If there was blood and hair and you also had an ax and there's blood everywhere for an unarmed person and it, it still took whatever for you to kill this unarmed person. You've got a gun and an ax. How much cocaine were you on? Drugs? Terrible shot. Terrible ax swing. Like how were you so bad at this? Testimony was presented about the cuts to Preston's body. Dr. Frank Roberts described the cuts as straight, not jagged, and they didn't bleed much. This indicated they were inflicted after Preston was dead. Yeah, he said only the head wound and the arm wound were inflicted before death. Dr. Roberts also said the body parts had been in the water for four to five days before being discovered. I'm just saying if this happened nowadays he would, they, there would be no trial, there would be, they would've had'em dead. Right. They so shitty at this. Both the act and the covering up were the literal, worst efforts I've seen in a long time. A criminologist testified that the bullet found in the skull of Preston was from a 3 57 Magnum revolver that was found in Roger's home. Like you're, I cannot believe that they even went to trial at this point, dude. So I just wanna tell you some, I didn't write this down in here, but neighbors literally saw a man hosing blood off of a car, and the porch that morning, Hiller didn't pick up the pot and get it outta the house. What? I just, anyway, and they had so much, luckily that officer was not dispatched. You have so much time. If that, if that officer had been dispatched, I think Preston would've been alive. Possibly. I mean, this motherfucker, they were torturing fought, they were torturing this poor man by probably trying to be like, you still make cocaine? Where is he? I think that they shot him in the, I think they beat him up. I think they shot him in the arm. That's where a lot of the blood came from. Yeah. I think he was running, trying to make to escape. And he did. He was running to multiple houses. There's two of them. Isn't that fucking just, it is so tragic that this person literally did everything that they could have. so let's bring on the defense. I'm so interested. Rogers takes the stand. I'm gonna tell you his story. Here's Roger's story.

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Let's hear it.

Dani: 55:46

He testified, Pope, I can't stand the side of blood. I felt like I was gonna throw up you're fucking fat mouth. Roger said he did not kill Preston, but the Cox did. Roger said that Cox told him, quote, I'm gonna cut him up in pieces and feed him to the fish.

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Mm.

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He said that he met Preston that day because Preston had been in, had information about guns that were stolen from Roger's father's house.

Stephanie: 56:21

Met him

Dani: 56:21

just that day. Okay. No, that he just met him. Oh. The reason that they were hanging out. The group went to two different places to find the guns, but then they were unable to find anyone who knew where the guns were. So the three went back to Roger's house.

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Mm-hmm.

Dani: 56:40

Roger said quote, co said, Pete's lying to you. Who's got your guns? I'm gonna be doing some quotes in here. By the way, that is gonna be very hard for me because they're not fluent. So just be patient with me. Cox and Preston went to the basement to smoke some pot while Roger wholesome. Roger made some coffee upstairs. What a great host. He heard them because the cocaine is not enough. Right. I need a little extra something. We love a trap house owner with some hospitality doing it right. He heard them arguing downstairs. Oh dear. He went to the foot of the stairs and saw Preston turn on Cox with a knife. Coxin picked up another knife that was in the basement and started swinging at each other. This is like Mortal Kombat right before your eyes quote. I was yelling at them to stop. They weren't paying me a bit of attention.

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Oh dear.

Dani: 57:41

At this point, they were fighting and cussing each other. What's? What's a boy to do them? Preston turned on Rogers and threatened to kill him. No. Rogers fired a warning shot. As you do, if someone is in your H who doesn't, it's like a desk pop on that one movie. Just put out a desk pop. Someone gets too unruly in your house at a party. Pop desk. Pop, yeah. Preston, not Rogers down and the gun fell out of his hand. Oh no. Quote. Preston ran up the stairs. Cox grabbed the pistol and he fired up the stairs at Pete, and then he ran after Pete Preston. They called Pete Preston. Sure, sure, sure. Then he said, Cox chased Preston out into the street and brought him back into the house. If someone is such a threat, why are you putting, dragging them back in the house? You're worried for your life. Roger saw that Preston was injured and told him that he would call an ambulance. But the fight continued between Preston and Cox. Cox Drug, Preston downstairs. Quote. Next thing I do is I tried to go and stop them. When I got to the kitchen part of the house, I heard the gun go off. I froze. I hear footprints there stood Cox. He was about two steps from the top. He said, don't worry about him. He won't bother anyone anymore. I killed him. What is this A telenovela like? I wanna know how you hear footprints. Frankly, I heard the footprints. Wow. I was, I noticed that as well. I heard the footprints. I heard the footprints. Wow, man. Very impressive. This whole story is just, he's had months and it's a crackhead concoction still. He's had months to come up with a, he could have had six years to come up with a good story, and he heard foot footprints well, in just the whole, like, he was trying to kill us. And then he ran outta the house and we dragged back and we were so scared of him trying to kill us, and so he brought him back in the house. You fucking dip shits. After 50 witnesses, the case is handed over to the jury. So I just, I fed you some smidgens of testimony, but there was like literally 50 just the good little morsels. Yeah. Like, no, we got you. Oh, we got you here. We got you there. The jury deliberates for six hours before coming back with a guilty verdict of first degree murder. They, they reviewed it thoroughly, in my opinion. I bet you hearing, uh, footprints weighed heavily on their decision. Oh my gosh. Sorry. Cheers, sis. This is, I'm glad you covered this. in a plea agreement, Cox pled guilty to accessory to a felony and aggravated assault, and the first degree murder charges are dropped. Cox had agreed to testify against Rogers, but was not called by the prosecution during the trial. See, and that's what I've been wondering this whole time, because it sounded like from Roger's testimony that he was trying, I'm like, if you're saying all this now, why didn't you do a plea agreement to be like, I'll set it all up for you. Cox already had it. He showed him where the shit was. He is like, I'm not going down for this crazy motherfucker too late on the jump. I did. I So lemme just tell you what Co Cox said. And the reason he wasn't called, I'm telling you, because they had it in the bag. They needed, there was so much, they didn't need to dirty anything or bring him in so the defense can, pick it apart. Team can be like, well, you, did you do that? Him, did you hit him? Do you trust him? Him? Did you hit him? Because he's an unreliable witness. It's like, it's almost, it's one step above a prison. They snitch. They had so much like they didn't need him. They didn't need his testimony. Cox's attorney, Rolf Keen, gave Cox's side of the story. The three men did drive around looking for the missing guns when they were unable to locate them. This had to been a drunken drug. Crackhead. Yeah, it was a, I knew that there was a stimulant involved because people don't just do this on marijuana. No, they don't. They're like, how me the Cheetos, bro? Yeah, let's get some Cheetos. Let's watch a fucking funny movie. Let's do, no one is doing this shit. Smoking a bowl. when they were unable to locate them, they went back to Roger's. Cox didn't realize anything was wrong until Rogers took him aside upstairs and said, quote, he can't leave here alive. Cox tried to persuade Rogers to let Preston go, but Rogers said, you're either with me or you're against me. This sounds totally like a movie, like a bad Well, but I can see something of this sort happening. Yeah. When people get all up on these stimulants, you're like, slow down dude. They think they're, they think they're Scarface. Yeah. They're like, I gotta act like the big man. I gotta be the Scarface. And I think Cox is like, slow your roll. We're not in the movie Scarface. Right. We are in Boise, Idaho. Let's go motherfucker some pot and chill. Yeah. when asked about disposing of the body, Cox said it was more or less for his own safety. Rogers had threatened Cox saying, I know where you be if you try to make a break. I know where your family is. Well, and you're already somewhat implicated by being there. Whether he was how much he was in it or not. If you're, you're not gonna be like, I'm out. Yeah, you, you're too. That's a hard break to make. You are too far deep. If all of this is, even, even if the whole time you were like, bro, stop and trying to like, be in a corner or trying to deescalate. You're just like, oh. And when someone dies and you've been there the whole time and you're on drugs, I forgot that thing. I got, mm, I gotta go pick up my mama's prescription. My, my dog does have a, um, pedicure scheduled 7:00 AM sharp. I, and we cannot miss another appointment for this stylist is gonna kill me. You're not doing that? No. Just like, oh fuck. I'm in this now. Yes. Cox is sentenced to five years for the accessory charge and two years for the assault. The sentences were run concurrent with time served. Cox will be eligible for parole in 120 days. On August 15th, Rogers tried to commit suicide while awaiting sentencing. He lost two pints of blood after he slit his wrist. And

Stephanie: 1:04:30

a serious attempt here. Yeah.

Dani: 1:04:31

It, it was a serious attempt, but the cops like, well, you know, probably shouldn't have done that. So here's your new cell with 24 hour surveillance video. Thank you. Yeah.

Stephanie: 1:04:42

Now you get nothing. No shoelaces, no anything.

Dani: 1:04:47

Yeah. The beard is, the beard is gonna grow. Mm-hmm. Yep. During Roger's sentencing hearing, prosecutor Bower asked for the death penalty stating that he had killed before. I mean, a very important thing, mitigating circumstance. Yeah. Uh, Rogers told the judge quote, I feel very sorry for Pete's family that they had to go through an ordeal like this. Even today when I look at things, I don't see any way I could have stopped Darren Cox. I'm as much of a victim in this case as Pete Murr

Stephanie: 1:05:25

almost. See now, why'd you have to open your mouth and continue that sentence like, I'm, I'm as much of a victim. How are you as much of a victim? Listen to the words coming outta your mouth. I am as much of a victim. How you're here breathing?

Dani: 1:05:44

Don't know. Yeah. Well anyway. Almost why?'cause you're breathing. Look, you are already a convicted murderer. Mm-hmm. You weren't scared because you got a measly five fucking years.

Stephanie: 1:06:00

Yeah.

Dani: 1:06:00

For murdering somebody. I don't even know how that's possible. He said Not this time. Uh, judge Carey said the defendant is a dangerous person and he should never be allowed to go free. But Judge Carey did spare Roger's life while venting about Idaho's protracted, cumbersome death penalty appeals process, which we know very well. Appeals. Appeals, appeals. He was

Stephanie: 1:06:26

having some foresight and seeing how it was going already with these people handing out death penalties like their fucking Oprah. Yep. Um, so he's like, you know, we gotta kind of. Tamp down the numbers on those death penalties. I think I'm just gonna go with life.

Dani: 1:06:43

Let's do it. Rogers is sentenced to a fixed life term without the possibility of parole. And you remember the original charges for Rogers while he was in jail, when then he was charged with Preston's murder? Mm-hmm. He was sentenced for an additional six more years. Just little cherry on top. There you go. Just to top it all off. And his wife Catherine, was sentenced to 120 days in jail. For those drug charges. And we all know why, because she's a woman. Mm-hmm. Cess doesn't treat, I mean she didn't kill anybody or anything, but he got six years for the same charges that she got 120 days for. So, and I'm surpris for their 13 packages of

Stephanie: 1:07:23

pot. Gosh. Well, and I'm just surprised'cause I mean it doesn't say much about it, but what wouldn't she have been a party to like disposing of the body and I mean. She was there, wasn't she? So she was probably much more involved. That was unclear to

Dani: 1:07:40

me. That was unclear to me.

Stephanie: 1:07:44

Yeah. I'm sure that she was an accessory in some way. They came back to the house together. Right?

Dani: 1:07:49

Right.

Stephanie: 1:07:50

She was an accessory in some way. So very lucky for you ma'am.

Dani: 1:07:56

Cox is released on October 7th after serving 16 months in prison.

Stephanie: 1:08:03

All righty, then he made a deal.

Dani: 1:08:05

Yep. Uh, and I did do a little research to see if he's never in, uh, the Idaho Department of Corrections records again, uh, couldn't find anything on the court system. I about Jay's like, I am fucking outta here. What's his first name again? Darren? Wait. No, it's. Darren

Stephanie: 1:08:30

or

Dani: 1:08:30

Daryl? Mm. It's Darren, but it's spelled funny. It's spelled, it's D-A-R-O-N. Hmm.

Stephanie: 1:08:39

Still Cox is a very popular last name. Right. Too. So,

Dani: 1:08:43

but I, I, I feel like I did, if anybody knows anything, but I think it's like, this is not for me. I'm out. Idaho is not for me. Maybe the cocaine's not for you either. Maybe just saying, just saying maybe, So, um, and in 2025, Rogers is 75 years old and in custody of the Idaho State Correctional Center in Boise.

Stephanie: 1:09:13

And that does it, folks. I mean, and from what we've heard, there's been a lot of publicity about it because of Berger, but apparently it's one of the worst prisons.

Dani: 1:09:23

Yeah. I I, I think that I'm gonna do a, like a little mini, so on that, I wanna do a little research on that. Yeah.

Stephanie: 1:09:29

Comparatively,

Dani: 1:09:30

because I mean, it's not like from just some of the reading I've done, it's not the worst prison as far as, uh, like. Violence, like, uh, inmate, inmate violence. Sure. But they are just hardcore restrictive. Very restrictive. There's, this is not the chrisleys going to jail. No. Um, no. It's very, um, very, very strict. I do on the tiktoks. I've been seeing people post like, give me their, let me put money on the books for these people. Annoying the people

Stephanie: 1:10:08

harassing coberg. I've seen that too. Yeah. Which, I mean, we're not praising them by any means'cause they're in there for a reason too. But I think. If you paid attention to the Coberg case, he seems like he thinks he's kind of a, he's smarter than everyone and better than everyone. So I do love that he's getting a warm, warm, warm welcome. You're not special. You're not special. You're just a murderer. Yeah, he, he's getting to hang out with the types of people that he wanted to be. So, yeah. These's are your new friends now. Friends for life, automatic friends for life forever. Your neighbors ever, ever. BFFs. Yeah. I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about a little hazing and harassment.

Dani: 1:10:49

No. You know, and our, our laws here are so strict about, uh, drug use. There's probably some king pig drug dealer in there. And, you know, it's like, yeah, I'm here for like 30, 40 years. Mm-hmm. So let's just got nothing to lose. Yeah. And I'm not a horrible person. I sold some pot. Yeah. Uh, literally we have people in jail here for serious time. Over the marriage. It's fucking lame. It is so stupid. So anyways, he's gonna be a miserable son of a bitch and very lonely. And because he can't be put in gen pop. Anyway, I don't know how we got on that, but anyway. Uh, fuck yourself. Yeah, fuck yourself.

Stephanie: 1:11:33

Yeah, Rogers, I, I just wonder how it is getting a new person in, like, who are Roger's friends? Like, do they have a little clique or,

Dani: 1:11:41

I'm thinking at 75, he probably is respected. Mm-hmm. He's, he, he's an old man. He's done his, he's, he's obviously done his time, but he also knows the rules. I hardly doubt he's in there causing a ruckus. He's just like, Hey, he's probably chill playing some cards. He just check in the box

Stephanie: 1:12:00

every day.

Dani: 1:12:00

Yep. Yep. fun fact on this house, Ida history. Yes. Did, um, a tour because we're coming on spooky season.

Stephanie: 1:12:12

Mm-hmm.

Dani: 1:12:12

So I don't know if they're doing it again this year. Um, history's great. We love them. Um, but they did a tour of the house, um, last year around the spooky time. And he, his, uh, on their TikTok that they said that they had, uh, some case related stuff in the house and it's. Kind of beaten up how it looks. It looks spooky. So yeah,

Stephanie: 1:12:39

Danny and I wanna do one of the tours and they do all kinds of different tours that you can go downtown Boise and learn about, like the brothels and everything. I would love to do one of those. Yeah, like a drinking and walking tours. Yeah, one of'em. Um, but they have the coolest Idaho history, so if you're in Idaho or just interested in this area, follow them on TikTok. They've always got cool stuff.

Dani: 1:13:01

Yep, absolutely. And they have a good Facebook page too. It's all mm-hmm. It's all there. Um, they're probably on YouTube too. Yeah, I, they probably

Stephanie: 1:13:08

do all the

Dani: 1:13:08

things I'm just saying to the tick to. So, uh,

Stephanie: 1:13:12

but this was an interesting case. I know that people have done it before. Um, Danny is exclusively with, with newspapers and case files that we can get our hands on. So let us know what you think. I liked it. I thought it was a good perspective and, and hearing some of these things, it, it seemed fresh to me. So let us know what you guys think.

Dani: 1:13:30

Alrighty, guys. Well, ten four rubber ducky. Fuck yeah.