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#002: Harmony and Healing: Rev. Amy Steinberg INTERVIEW on her Musical Journey and Spiritual Leadership

• Dr. Thor Challgren

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Welcome to "All Revved Up"! In this episode, Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren sits down with the extraordinary Rev. Amy Steinberg—a New Thought minister, soulful musician, and a powerful storyteller. 

Known for her ability to alchemize life’s challenges into transformative art, Amy brings her signature blend of humor, authenticity, and insight to this deeply moving and inspiring conversation.  

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In This Episode:

  • Navigating Current Events: How spiritual leaders process emotions and guide their communities during challenging times.
  • The Art of Alchemy: Amy shares how she transforms personal challenges—including a devastating hurricane and cultural divisions—into music, light, and connection.
  • The Call to Ministry: Amy’s unconventional journey from singer-songwriter to New Thought minister and how her love of expression fuels her purpose.
  • The Power of Music: Why music is essential in creating spiritual transformation and how Amy crafts songs that resonate deeply with her audiences. 
  • Looking Up in Dark Times: A moving performance of her song “Look Up” and the profound inspiration behind its creation.

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Key Takeaways:

  • Transformative Perspective: Even in the darkest times, we can find resilience and purpose by choosing to “look up.” 
  • The Role of Music in Ministry: Music has the power to create emotional and spiritual connections, making it an integral part of any service.
  • Authenticity in Leadership: It’s essential for spiritual leaders to acknowledge and process their human emotions while staying grounded in spiritual principles. 
  • Creative Courage: Trust the creative process as a path to healing and joy, whether it’s writing music, leading a service, or simply showing up authentically.  

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Music Highlights:

Amy performs her original songs “Look Up” and “Power” during the episode.  

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Namaste.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Hey, it's Dr Thor Chal. This week, on All Revved Up, I sit down with the incredible Reverend Amy Steinberg, a new thought minister, soulful musician and someone who knows how to turn life's big questions into powerful songs and stories. Amy and I dive into the challenges and triumphs of being spiritual leaders, especially after big events shake us, and how we can find ways to alchemize even the toughest moments into something meaningful.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I think honestly, if it's really, really my path, because and you know, Dr James said this most of my teachers have said I wasn't called traditionally, Like I didn't have a call to become a minister. It just kept coming at me, you know, and so I just follow the breadcrumbs and there's just nothing I love more than inspiring people and making people feel good with my expression. So a minister is such a perfect fit, in a way.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

From finding love and light in the darkest places to creating music that moves hearts, Amy's insights are bound to uplift you.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Love, love, love, love, love.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

You can bound to uplift you Join us on All Revved Up as we talk about spirituality, creativity and why it's important to look up even when times get tough. Here now, my interview with Reverend Amy Steinberg. Reverend Amy Steinberg, welcome to the show. I'm so happy to have you here. How are you today?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I am wonderful. I'm so happy to be with you, reverend Thor.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I know you told me, yeah, right before the show. You said you went to get a massage. So you were probably like in the most blissed out state possible right now. Right.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It's impeccable. Self-care massage. It's like my favorite modality of healing physical healing. I love massage. Do you get massages regularly, Thor?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I feel like I should. My wife has a whole bunch of them stored up from Massage Envy and she's always like, do you want to use one of mine? And I'm like I should. I know I should.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

You know that is my number one piece of advice for all humans.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

All right, good, good to know. I need to add more massages into my life. But you know, what I'd love to do is open this show if you'd be willing to treat us in, treat the audience in, and this experience in our conversation today. So I'm going to turn that over to you to, however you want to lead us into our exploration today.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Ah, okay. Well, let's take a deep breath in. And if you're not driving while you're listening to this, I invite you to close your eyes and just be present with the breath and listen to the sound of my voice. And what a treasure and a pleasure to be here with you today. So, right here and right now, in this holy moment, I recognize the quantum everythingness of everything, the all, the force behind the force, the source that is the love that fuels life itself. That is in me, that is through me, that is expressing as this podcast this afternoon, and I am just knowing fun and excitement and connection and revelation, inspiration and revelation inspiration. All the Asians, I am knowing them in this holy moment, knowing that this hour that we have together or this time that we have together is truly, truly blessed, because everything is unfolding for the highest and best, and with such great, great gratitude I speak my word as law, knowing that it is done and so it is Amen.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

And so it is Lovely, thank you.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I'm all revved up.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah, me too. So you know, I want to start with. 24 hours ago, just for the audience listening, I called Reverend Amy and Reverend Amy and I went through ministerial we're prayer partners and I called her about a day ago and I knew our interview was happening today and I said to her some current events have happened and if this episode was originally going to come out, this show was going to launch at the end of December and now it's launching in November and there's a reason for that is because we've just had an election in our country. And when I called Reverend Amy yesterday I said you know what I think we need to talk about? Current events. We need to talk about and it's ironic to say this the elephant's in the room, and how?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Because you know, everyone had a reaction yesterday to the day after the election and some people they were just numb, devastated. Some people were happy that you know their choice was validated, but everybody had some kind of reaction. And I said to Amy I go, you know what. I think we have to talk about that from the perspective of how we as spiritual leaders, how ministers, process our own feelings, but also how we can see ourselves as leaders in communities and how people look to you to go. Well, how are you processing it? What's your reaction to it? So I asked her. I said would you be okay talking about that?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And you said oh, heck, yeah, I mean, it's so important and, of course, I had this really cool experience yesterday because that's how spirit unfolds for me is that there's always this nugget that I get to share with you, and so can I tell you my story that happened yesterday, please yeah.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

So I was coping by shopping at a thrift store. I was using a coping mechanism which you know is not too ministerial but it's very human. And I went to my favorite little plus-size consignment store, which happens to be run by this amazing woman named Jasmine, who is a brown woman. And so when I went in there, I was very mindful, knowing I'm a minister, knowing I'm in the community, I was just mindful. You don't want to ask somebody like who'd you vote for? But you want to say like, how are you doing today? So as I was shopping around, I said I said hey, hey, jazz, how you doing? And she said you know I'm okay. She said I'm okay, you know we've been through worse and I said yeah, like the Reagan Bush years, and she said no, like slavery.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And we just started sort of laughing in this like strange, uncomfortable but comfortable way, and I reflected upon the fact that you know, I was born Jewish, so my DNA right goes back to the slavery in Egypt and whatnot.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

So the human spirit is resilient and as that experience unfolded, I was able to sort of like have this joy just at that, knowing that you know what we've come this far and there's an evolution of spirit that's happening, and so I know that whatever is unfolding in this country, which is very discouraging for so many, there's still a lot of people who are celebrating.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

First of all, you know, I live in the South, so there's a lot of joy, it's palpable, and I tend to bend my mind toward the positive because I'm a religious scientist and so in every situation I tend to bend toward the positive, just naturally. It's what I do now. I've been exercising that part of my brain and so I'm just like happy we're not going to have an insurrection. I'm happy there's not. You know, I'm happy there's not going to be. I wasn't afraid today to walk around, which I knew that I would be if the other person had won. So that's just my personal experience and I don't know if that, you know triggers something in you or resonates with you, but yeah, no, it's it's.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

it's meaningful, and I love that. The perspective that Jasmine shared with you of you know there's worse things in the world and sometimes we get so wrapped up in the immediacy of whatever's going on in our life that we just can't conceive of anything being worse than that.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Right and we can't zoom out to see like, what's the long game here, what's spirit game here, what's happening, what's unfolding. But I did have a couple other thoughts about it that I wanted to also read about you.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Okay, number one. I think, for me personally, that I had some doubt that she could win. In fact, we had a conversation and you said to me oh, she's going to win. You know I'm sorry this is a little political for this conversation, but this, this is what we, this is who we voted for. So, and I was just I did. I had some doubt and I was thinking to myself about the quantum field, and I was thinking to myself about the quantum field and I was thinking about potentiality and experience and I thought to myself is this just my reality, now that I've collapsed, that she didn't win because I didn't believe she could. And then it dripped me off into another thing where I was like, okay, if there's infinite potentialities and infinite timelines and there's sort of like this ever present thing that's always happening, is there a timeline where there aren't infinite timelines?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I'm sorry to bend your mind I think you just broke my mind An infinite, I suppose. So it's not, is there?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

a reality where there are not multiple times? Is there? If there's, do you see what I'm saying? If there's anything is possible, is there a possibility that there is no multiverse in one of these? I don't know, it's hurting my brain, but I'm open to that.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I mean, I think most people are just trying to wrap their heads around multiple timelines and multiple multiverses, so to say that one of those is there isn't one, that's truly mind-bending, seriously. That's truly mind-bending, seriously. Yeah, I mean, I think you know I'll go back to it was interesting for me to sharing. My reaction to the moment because it's still kind of in my mind was I didn't sleep well because I went to bed not knowing what the result was going to be. So it was. You know, if you want to talk quantum, in one respect it was like Schrodinger's election, where on one level one candidate won and on the other level the other did, and I didn't know.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

And so in a sense both were possible, although energetically I kind of knew that the outcome that did happen was what happened. But when I got up in the morning confirmed the results, I was just kind of numb. But when I got up in the morning confirmed the results, I was just kind of numb and it you know, because there was a. For me I'll just say there was a sadness but also a realization, and I mentioned at the top of the show you and I became ministers this year. So one of the things it's not like a vow or an oath where you put your hand on you know the science of my textbook and take a vow, but you do say that you are now going to live your life from the consciousness of a minister and you don't get to step off principle.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

And I've sort of was how do I have my human reaction and also recognize that on some level I am a leader in a community or I am a voice in a community that someone might look to and go? How is Thor processing it? How is Amy processing it? Because people are going to look to you. So I'll say one. A friend told me yesterday you know it's okay to have both, it's okay on one level to have what you're feeling.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It's okay, on one level, to have what you're feeling, but then also have. It's not just okay, it's important.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Because if you sorry for the word whitewash the whole experience and don't presence the grief, then we're not doing ministering.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I really don't think so. It's spiritual bypass, right? You're just kind of sticking your head in the sand Hard right to sunshine. Yeah, totally, oh, I love that. I've never heard that Hard right to sunshine.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Did you hear her speech though yesterday?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

where she said I haven't watched it yet.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

One of the things she said was the dark night, the stars are the brightest, which was so our philosophy.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

The Dark Knight, the Stars of the Brightest, which was so our philosophy.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

So even her in her concession speech was so, it was so profound and it was so in line with this teaching. We're headed in the right direction. There is an unfoldment of the highest and best. I believe it, I know it, I just have to.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

That's? Yeah, I think it's. I don't know if it's his quote or he's quoting someone else, but Barack Obama talks about that. The moral arc of history bends toward the good. I love that the way we want. But to know that when we use our mind in that powerful way that we are continually bending our arc toward the good. That's it.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

You know, my most downloaded song is called Exactly, and it's the lyrics are I'm exactly where I need to be. I'm exactly where I need to be, and I wrote it in the middle of a breakup because I knew that that breakup would lead to the next thing that would need to. I mean, the twists and turns, the circuitous route of life is so magical and transcendent and when you get in this teaching, you start to notice. You just start to notice oh okay, so that happened, so that could happen. I get it now and that's I just have to, and that's what I choose to believe. This is a choice, definitely. I always say that this philosophy is like ants on a keyboard, like writing code, like we're guessing, but we're making our best guess and it's a good guess. It's a really good guess to think that everything is happening for the highest and best and it really does direct the trajectory of everything that we experience.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

You. Not only this has been an eventful month for you and your community because a month ago-ish, asheville, where you live, was kind of direct hit by the hurricane and there was a huge I mean people. It's not a surprise or news to people, because you guys were worldwide news.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Yeah, what was so interesting about that, it being national news is that we didn't have power for like two or three days, so I was cut off from the internet, cut off from television. All we had was a little radio and we didn't know how bad it was. So that was very interesting, like as far as the experience of experiencing it. You know, in my world, luckily, or philosophically, we didn't have any damage to my home, because a week before I had two trees emergency cut down because my intuition told me, I don't know what, that I didn't know. I wasn't a psychic, I didn't know the storm was coming, but it did. And so I had things like that, because I believe I'm a religious scientist, this is all connected. But we didn't know. I was sitting in my house with a little burner, you know a little one burner, making coffee and you know, like doing our thing, cleaning up around the house. Just, we weren't in devastation and people were calling us Are you? You know what I mean? Are you alive? And so, in other words, sometimes the influence from the outside can really. And then we started to think, oh, we should be really, really scared, you know. And we weren't scared until people told us, you should be really, really scared.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And then you know, it all unfolded in such a powerful way as far as, like FEMA showing up and all of the volunteers and the I mean things just the abundance of support from the outside world was nothing short of miraculous. I mean, if you were here, it was like it was. It was communities coming together and and I think I mentioned to you that it's really not lost on me that North Carolina was hit so hard because it is so red and blue as far as a political state I found it to be so interesting that before such a big election that we were to come together, it was really powerful because then when this election happened, you know we're already neighbors. We're neighbors, we've shared water. I had to poop in a bag at one point, so I'm like, really happy to have non-potable water. I don't care if a Republican or a Democrat gives it to me. You know what I mean Water's, waterpotable water.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I don't care if a Republican or a Democrat gives it to me. You know what I mean.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

So water's water, and that's unless you add food coloring to it.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Well then it's just colored water, right, but if you add, if you add, look at the Maslow's hierarchy of needs that we studied. You know it's like when that bottom rung is where you're existing from. We really just see each other as souls and it was it's been really transformative here.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I want to just underline something you said, because I never thought of it that way, that you didn't have a perception of what the devastation was like until people told you what it was. That's right, including the 94 Northridge earthquake where we had some damage to our house in Santa Monica. But if I didn't see the news and we didn't have the internet, then the way we do now, if I didn't see the news, all I would have known was our own circumstances. But then when you see the news and you see bridges collapsed and the wider devastation, now you process it differently because oh, now I've seen race consciousness, now I've seen all the relative stuff going on in the world and I have a different perspective.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Interesting is they're not showing the barbecue in my neighborhood from all the people. They're not showing that on the news. So it's not that the news is bad, it's just that the news is bad. It's just that the news tends to only focus upon the bad. So there was all these good things happening, but they weren't.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It wasn't on the news at all, none of it you know, I mean I can tell, I can list 10 things that happened that were amazing, like where you know army guys coming in and you know helping me with my bottles, like that wasn't on the news. You know there were so many things the hot meals from these incredible restaurants that would like cook these gourmet meals up and just give them away to everyone. Feeding Everyone was fed. I'm like why is this just not reality that we're all feeding each other and helping each other, right? So these tragedies, these horrible I mean I'm not going to discount the lives that were lost, the homes that were lost, the jobs that were lost. It's horrible, it really was a horrible, devastating storm and there was so much alchemizing of it that turned into good. And that's to me, what the teaching is really useful for is alchemizing things and looking for the good and growing good.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Well, if people don't know you this first time, they're hearing you. You are also a musical performer, quite talented, amazing musical performer. You have a keyboard there, so I know that after you experienced the hurricane that you wrote a piece of music. Would you mind sharing with us a little bit of that now?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I would love to. I'll do the first verse and the last verse in the chorus. How about that? So it's a little abridged, but if you wanted to watch, I made a little video for it yesterday, so now it's available and recorded in case anybody wants to hear it. It's called Look Up. Now. It's important to know that the storm happened because two rivers converged and became an ocean, so that's what I'm addressing here in this opening lyric.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

What is more useless than being angry at a river? It is just a river doing what rivers do. The truth is that some truth Tastes a little bitter, but it can make you better as you make your way through. And the light shines on all who are left behind. The light still shines, yes, the light shines even in the darkest times. So look up, look up, look up, look up, look up, look up. Sing it with me now Look up, look up, look up. Maybe I'm useless, I'm angry at a river. It is just a river doing what rivers do. But I am a human and I'm a being, not a doer, so I'll let this anger just pass on through. And the light shines on all who are left behind, shines on all who are left behind. The light still shines. Yeah, the light shines and this all will be alchemized. So look up, look up, look up, look up, look up, look up. One more time I say look up, look look up, look up. One more time I say Look up, look up, look up.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Amy Steinberg. That is beautiful, Love that.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Thank you.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Well, I will put a link to that in the show notes so people can find that video and listen to the entire song. Thank you.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Yeah, it was crazy because it went viral. Like I made this video of me playing the guitar. I had no makeup on, I had my hair up, I was just disheveled, it was in the middle of the storm and I just posted it to Facebook. I was like you know what People need to hear this? And it went viral like 15,000 views, which I mean it's not like millions of views, but it was thousands and thousands and thousands of people that were touched by this idea that even in the dark, you know, look up. And that's this philosophy in the nutshell, right, like make a choice, make a choice to look up.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And you'll see that when you do that, like things change and things get better, like they just do, and what a blessing.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah for sure. Well, I love that as sort of a coded to the real talk section. I want to sort of move into some questions I have for you, and obviously people know now you are, in addition to being a minister, you're a musical performer. I'm curious from that perspective how did you get your start as a performer? You had the parent who made you sit down at the piano. That's one question. And then second is do you recall the first time that you played in a New Thought Center or church? What was that like? So that's kind of my question on your origin story.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Okay, well, I'm a middle child and I think I might have what they called in the 70s the middle child syndrome, where I was like look at me, look at me. Look at me because I'm not the baby, I'm not the oldest, and so I kind of was a bit of the clown in the family, a baby, I'm not the oldest, and so I kind of was a bit of the clown in the family. And I started to study theater very young and my sister was actually a singer and I played the piano from before I can remember my mom says that I, you know, wanted to that when I was four years old I was at my grandma's house or something and there was a piano and I did have some family members that were great pianists and so I played piano since forever. But then the theater thing kind of came in and from there I started to sing. I wanted to be like my big sister, who is a singer, and I just felt like I had a voice in me and I wanted to perform and so I studied theater, I went to college for theater and everything like that, and then I got cast in the musical hair, you know, the great musical hair and after singing rock and roll I cause it's rock and roll musical theater I was like you know what? I think I'm built a little bit more for that and there weren't at that time very many rock and roll musicals. So I was like, well, I guess I'm gonna have to write my own stuff. And I began to write my own music.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And it was funny because I started in the coffee houses and the bars and the clubs and I was playing a show in a coffee house and this woman said you need to come play my church. And I was like I don't believe in organized religion. I don't, I'm not into church. No, thank you. And she said, but we'll pay you a hundred dollars. You know, no, thank you. And she said but we'll pay you a hundred dollars. And I was like I'm there, what time? And this is like 15 years ago, or maybe maybe longer now, but 2008 maybe.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

So I went and it was the most unbelievable experience, because these people, I had been singing this philosophy right, because there's only one truth. The truth is that there's only one power, there's only one presence, there's only love. This is the stuff that Bob Marley has been singing about. This is the stuff. You know what I'm saying. So I was just singing this philosophy, not knowing that there was a tribe out there, and so I sang.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I remember I sang my song Purpose, which you know maybe we'll put a link to it Purpose which I wrote before I was in this philosophy, and you could hear a pin drop in the room and then, right when I was done, there was like uproarious applause and everybody got up and I mean I had been used to, you know, glasses falling and crashing cappuccino machines, right. So I was just like what is this new world that I'm in? And I immediately got into studying and playing churches and becoming music director, and that's sort of my journey. And then, being beside ministers at several different churches, I was like I want to do that, I want to do that, I want to talk, I want to inspire people with the word of Ernest Holmes and Myrtle Fillmore, and you know. So that's my story.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

And was that first church? What kind of? Was it non-denominational? What was the?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Oh no, it was a spiritual living center. That's what it was called. So it wasn't a center for spiritual living, but it was spiritual living center SLC Charlotte. That was the first one I played. And then I had been living in Boca Raton, florida, at the time, and I went back down there and I found Center for Spiritual Living Boca Raton. I walked in the building.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I said to Reverend Barbara Lundy who actually sat on Ernest Holmes' lap, which is really cool, so she's really old school, new thought, science of mind I said do you have a choir? She said not right now. I said you do now, I will do it for you for free. I just want classes. Can you give me classes? And so I just immediately jumped into class and then she started to pay me $75 a week to be her music director. You know what I mean.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And that story is so perfect for this idea of like do what you love and the money will come. So perfect for this idea of like do what you love and the money will come right, this thing that we hear. It's like do what you are called into doing for free and then all of a sudden, the money that you need to sustain it will be there and it was just so. Then that went from next job, next job. I've been music director at three centers or four centers and I just love music direction in churches and centers, you know. And I love saying the word church, because I feel like a rebellious Jew when I say the word church.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things that we always go back and forth Are we a church, are we a center? Are we a center, are we a church?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Yeah, you know and then, like you know, I know the word church intimates. You know something that's really like. When I was asked, play my church, I was like no, thanks, right. But now I've gone to a lot of unity churches and they call it a church and it's, you know, it's church.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

So Talk to me a little bit about as a performer. What's your process like for writing songs? Is that is it? Does an idea come to you where you're like there's some core to it and then, like your song that you played for us, there's an image, a very strong image, of two rivers coming together into an ocean. That's one of the visual things that came to me. But I'm curious, like in general, when you're writing music, when you're writing a new song, what's your?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

process. You know, generally it is sort of like an idea. There's an idea and the idea for this was I am pissed off at a river, and that makes zero sense and that translates and that translates into I'm pissed off at my mother or my history or any anger that we carry around with us. It's, it's absolutely useless. And I thought this idea is a perfect seed. And then the look up part came, came later.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I'm also kind of a craft man when it comes to lyrics. I like to. I'm very particular. I want every single lyric to mean something. I do a lot of internal rhyming, but usually it's like an idea, a concept, right, like, for instance, that song Purpose that I sang at the church.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

That first song, the line living is the purpose of life, was actually a kid said it to me. I said something like so what do you think is the purpose of life? And they said living. And I was like, oh my God, that's it. That's the purpose of life, living. And then I thought what is being alive like? And that's where the lyrics came I've been through the desert, I've walked in the ocean, no-transcript piano, and wrote that song and it saved me. I felt better after I created, which is what my book is about. Make good that I'm, that I'm putting together right now, which is about how creating whether it's a podcast, a talk for the week, a song or a painting like these ones behind me that is transformative and that is alchemizing, that is going to create a different space that you live in. So that's why I create. I create to be happy, to find joy.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah, I love that. Well, one of the things that you do and I've I've seen you do this a couple of times now is you have a, at least as far as I can see, a very unique thing that you can offer that you've done before, where you will participate in an entire service. Maybe someone else is speaking, things are coming up and I gather you are taking notes, and then at the end you will take all of that and put it together into a song. It's often like a rap style song where you're bringing back all of these things. It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Tell me about that process, what that's like. Do you feel any pressure or how do you? Is it just things flowing to you? Talk to me about that.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Most ministers in New Thought are lyricists, they're speaking in lyrics, and so I'm sitting there and I definitely have what I might call attention deficit or whatever, and that's not how it was born, though. It was born when I was working for Barbara Lundy. I had planned on singing something. I think I had planned I remember it this way and I don't know if it's the truth but I had planned on singing Summer Over the Rainbow, and that was the song I had prepared.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I was new to the new thought world and I was very self-conscious about the music I would pick, because I didn't want to sing something that didn't align with the principles. And Somewhere Over the Rainbow that I had prepared did not align with the talk, because Somewhere Over the Rainbow is like hope, and you know how we are about hope. Right, it's somewhere over there, it's not present and positive. So I was like this isn't going to match the message, so I'm going to make something up, and I made up my song called Free to turn it around, which, if you look that up too, that's another great tune that was born almost fully formed on the spot, and that is how this idea of writing a song became born. And um, and then it just became sort of like a way for me to pay attention really clearly whenever I'm, I'm, and I don't I when I'm a music director somewhere. I didn't do it every Sunday because it sort of became almost like a shtick, you know.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Right right Like a trick, and so I break it out when it feels right, and I don't want it to feel that way, I want it to feel organic, and so that's really fun. And then I have a song called One Step, which is a culmination of a bunch of different raps that I've written for all. I went through all my raps one day and I was like I'm going to take the best nuggets from all the different ministers that I've, you know, done this with over the years, and it was really. It was cool to see like this is science of mind 101 in this, in this song, and it's just, it's really fun. I mean, I, my brain is, is going very fast, so if it gives, give it something to do and I bet you could do it, I bet it's.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I don't know about that, but I bet you could you have a brain that's pretty fast so well, you know what I think is, as a someone who's heard you do it and seeing the impact it has in the audience. I think the way that it it why people get so into it is when they realize what you're doing, like you'll start doing this song and then they're like, oh my gosh, she's calling back all of the things that have been said and then there's an energy to it because people are like rooting you on in a way that's so different from you know, maybe just performing another song, because now they're like part of this energy this instantaneous moment of creation.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

It's very.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It's very present moment awareness, you know, and it's like what's so cool is that people will come up to me afterwards and be like, can I want a recording of that? And I'm like it won't make any sense to you. It won't make any sense to you. This moment is when that was born. You know that funny story that the minister talked about, that I snuck in there. That made you giggle. You're not going to know what the heck I'm talking about if you've listened to this again. So it's so like the mandala, where they put the sand on the mandala and they blow it away. It's very and I like that you brought that up about it, because it is really about being present. And it is interesting that people are like oh, I want a recording of that. People want to hold on to that energy which is that present moment awareness. People want to hold on to it and it's like you can't really do that.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

No, you can't. But I think that's the essence of why people are drawn to. That is, or why they'll have a favorite scene from a movie and watch it over and over, because there's something they feel in that moment and they just they're alive in that moment and they're like, oh, I want that over and over. I go back to the Back to the Future movie where at the very end of the movie, very last scene is you know, doc Brown comes back and they back up the car and Marty says you know you're going to have to back up further and he says where we're going, we don't need roads. And the car takes off and everybody just is like so the energy of that, and it's that same kind of thing that you're doing. Yeah, people are alive in that moment and, gosh, we just want that so much, don't we? That makes sense.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

That makes sense. I think you helped me understand that a little bit better with why people, might you know, want that, and it's a very cool experience to have. And I'm also like, is this going to suck? You know, like there's, there's sometimes there's a part of me that's like is this terrible? And then sometimes they do, and that's okay too, because it's not being recorded and it's kind of like life, you know, I kind of think about. I'm so glad we grew up without the social media thing where you know we're, you know, so we got to experience life without it being recorded, everything being recorded and, um, so there's something about that. That's cool too, is that, um, although it is, everything streams now, so it's, it is somewhere you can find the talk song if you really want to watch it again or whatever, but it's not the same as like a CD that you put in or an MP3 that you play, but yeah.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Well, I want to talk now about a big development for you this year was you became Reverend Amy Steinberg, no longer just a no, I shouldn't say just as in diminished being a musical performer, but you became a minister this year as well. So I'm curious how is your journey to become a minister, while you still are also amazingly talented in your musical performance?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

How has becoming a minister impacted the other things that you do, and what insights have come to you this year as a result of that journey reaching a culmination in June, as far as like speaking and giving a talk and knowing that I could be a spiritual counselor now, and I do feel almost like that transformative thing where the butterfly is getting out of the cocoon, and I do like just this past weekend I spoke and sang at one of my favorite churches in the world Unity North Atlanta and I really like to be a part of that staff there at some point and I just love this church and I was on the stage and I literally almost felt like I was flapping my wings like that I'm learning how to fly. It is a different skill set than being a musician. Being a musician for me. Doing a show I can do it with my eyes closed. It's something that I feel very confident about.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

But being a minister feels I have a little bit of the imposter syndrome still going on and I just I question it. I think, honestly, if it's really really my path and you know, dr James said this most of my teachers have said I wasn't called traditionally, like I didn't have a call to become a minister. It just kept coming at me, you know, and so I just follow the breadcrumbs and there's just nothing I love more than inspiring people and making people feel good with my expression. So a minister is such a perfect fit in a way.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

In your travel so I know you have had the opportunity to speak at, to perform at different centers. How unusual is it in your experience to see a minister that does both that does music, that sings, but is also the lead minister at that center?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

You know, it seems to be becoming more and more common, right? So you've got James, and then you've got Michael.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Gott and you've got yep, you've got Michael Gott, you've got Richard Burdick, who is where the Atlanta. He was also a music director at some point. I think it can be a natural progression for music directors, but it's not that common. You know, a music director is usually a separate entity from the minister. So it's not that common. But it seems to be coming more and more common because as the musicians come up and realize, wow, I am ministering and I'm sort of, one of the things is I'm a little bit tired of traveling the whole nation, I'd like to sit in in a little bit of a more, you know, solid space and you know, usually a salary of a minister is going to be better than the salary of a music director. And so you think about it like a job and you think I'm already doing this job. So maybe I just learn and I think we have to be constantly growing, and I mean the whole way the unfoldment happened about becoming a minister and studying with you and all of that. I mean I'll never forget my first day in school with you guys, which was on zoom, of course, cause I'm in North Carolina and they're all in California, but they were all in California, you were all in California.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I remember sitting there, looking at all the faces and feeling the energy in the room and thinking am I good enough to be here? Like, am I the? The vibration was so high, the consciousness was so high. I can still remember just being in absolute awe that this is where life had taken me. And so I, just I. My peers that have come out of that have been you, and I mean Lasia, and just my friends. I have a whole Genevieve. I have this whole new group of friends that it's almost like a I level, like I leveled up in a game or something. I was like whoop, okay, new level, new peers, new experience. And I'm just honored, honestly, I'm honored to be a minister of James Mellon, of Reverend Dr James Mellon's. You know a Mellonite. I call myself a Mellonite.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I haven't heard that I like that.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Metacostal melanite. I'm a metacostal melanite.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

That's a great term.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

That's kind of a tongue twister.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Who else have you when you think about musical performers, when you think about other speakers that you've seen? Who inspires you? Whose work do you love, would you be like? Oh, I'd love to share a stage with this person or that person.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Yeah, I mean I can't not mention one of my first teachers also, Christy Snow, who's also a minister and a teacher and she's wildly inspiring to me. I've gotten to share the stage with her. I've gotten to share the stage with most of my heroes, like Karen Drucker, who I have listened to her CDs on repeat for years, invited me to be a part of her prayer thing the other night and I sang a few songs and I mean I am still incredibly intimidated by her and very like I act like a goofy teenager around her. So there's Karen. Of course, there's a lot of folks from the New Thought world that I'm in awe of, including Ricky Byers. These songs that we all sing, we all sing these songs and it's amazing to me that there's not a Grammy section for New Thought music, because the music of Gary Lynn Floyd and Jamie Lula and Laura Berman these people are absolutely on par with anything you would hear on the radio and beyond, because it's consciousness music, right, amy Bishop? I mean these names are-.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Daniel Naimod, please you know.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Daniel Naimod. He was there on Monday Night with and he's another one. I act very much like a teenage girl around him. I'm like, hi, Daniel, I'm still intimidated. David Ault Some of these people are just, they're legends, they're living. Oh, how can I not mention Eddie Watkins Jr? I mean, this man is my friend and I still am in absolute awe. He's a living legend, in my opinion, and so many of the teachers and the preachers and the singers that I've seen have just. This world is so. We are so lucky to be alive right now with what's happening in consciousness and in this movement. I really think it's cool.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

You've had we talk about. You're traveling around speaking at different centers, so you've had the experience of being at unity centers, centers for spiritual living, other churches in different parts of the country. How do you see differences, or are they similar enough? Like? What do you see as the differences between the places you travel, and maybe also geographically, like if you're doing a gig in the South versus a gig in the Midwest any differences there?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Well, first of all, I would say that a biggest difference in a service that I've seen is when you have a musical minister. When you have a musical minister, they understand the power of music and the power that music is to transition. It's seamless. When you have either a good music director or a good minister that does music, that is a huge thing. That is changes the entire vibration of a church, um or of the center.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I think that there are some that are, I would say, unity. You're going to hear Christ, you're going to hear Jesus a lot more, which can be hard for people who are brought up Jewish or people who are not religious at all. I would say, in the South you hear a lot more the word God even. You know. The more West you go, the more you hear consciousness, the more you hear love, you know, the more you hear something that's more inclusive and less fear-based. But everywhere you go, this is, this is where the highest consciousness in the city is. Is you're going to find it at the center or at the unity? You know that's where you're going to find it, and I find that there's a huge similarity between all of them, which is that people are coming there because they know it feels good to be there, like you go to a center and you feel better when you leave, like that's why I keep going and I keep singing and I keep. I just it's like medicine. It really is medicine for the soul.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

When you are in the audience or you're listening to another speaker, another performer are you? Do you ever like take notes and go? Oh, I love what they did there. Like I'm going to steal that. And I share this because when I was at Anton there was a speaker there who had the slot late in the evening, so after dinner they were the second speaker. You know you're as an audience, you're maybe sort of starting to move towards being a little tired. So this speaker very smartly incorporated audience response, like he had on his slides questions that he wanted us to say back to him, and it just created this great energy. So I'm sure you must pick up things where you're like, oh my God, I'm going to totally steal that.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

All the time. In fact, on Monday night, Mama Drucker, Karen Drucker, did this thing on Zoom that I've never seen before. She said put your hands up in your little box and send energy. Have you seen that before?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

No, that's awesome.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Send energy to the square behind you Now. Send energy above you and below you. I was like stolen doing that, absolutely. You know what I mean. And then Richard Burdick, down in Atlanta, he speaks very evangelical-ly. When he's a metacostal he's like and this, and from this sort of almost, I would say maybe I don't want to say performative, but like, like, there's this, it's very much in line with how I want to sound and be, and so there's there's attitudes that I like to take on and there's certain ministers that I go. Oh God, that was a little heavy.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

On the personal side of things, I don't really want to go that deep into myself. I don't want to be up there talking about myself the whole time. I want to make sure that I balance the I-you asking you, I like when there's inquiry, I like when there's experiential even. There's a wonderful minister named Jackie Fernandez who I also dream of working with someday, and she's at Unity of Overland Park right of working with someday, and she's at um, unity of Overland Park, right there near Unity Village, and she's a good friend of mine too. We're just getting close. I'm just, I'm really loving my friendship with her as it's, as it's unfolding, but she does a lot of experiential stuff.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

The other I was with her last a couple of weeks ago and she did her whole. The service was about breathing and we did box breathing and all different kinds of spacious breathing and that was the. That was the service with, along with some music and prayer and stuff, but it was like wow, this is cool, like experiential stuff. You know, I'm really into that. From class, like, we did a lot of, I always wanted to do something that involved you, so that it's not just you're sitting there listening the whole time, right, yeah, no, your stuff is always creative.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I have a question too also, when you're preparing to talk because I saw you obviously did a lot of presentations in our class Did you use Canva to create the graphics and your sort of PowerPoint images?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Yes, yeah, you do a nice job with that. Thank you, I mean coming from you. That's a big deal, because you're like do you use Canva?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I use it for some things, but for PowerPoint, like if I'm creating a slide deck I use I'll start with having the talk written out and then I'll start building slides. And then, as I'm building slides, new things occur to me, new juxtapositions.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

But you don't build them in Canva, you build them in PowerPoint.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

No, I'll create the image somewhere in PowerPoint, but I always love what you did in Canva and I'm like you and I got to offline. I want to learn more about that because I love what you do.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I love praying with you every week and I was thinking about you today because you know we were going to do this and I was thinking. I just have this feeling that you and I are going to do something creative together at some point. I don't know what it is, but when you have talked to me about some of your ideas for you know, shows, or even you know I had the idea the other day, All Revved Up is such a great idea for a. You know we both loved the English Teacher and you know for like almost as a sitcom about new thought, like you know, bringing I. Just I feel like we are very, we have similar creative expression, and so I hope that we do create something amazing. And we're both into the entertainment world, you know, into television and movies, and so I don't know who knows what's unfolding right With our friendship.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah, and I agree and I'm very much of the belief that about a year or two ago I kind of I made a change in how I thought about my life and everything that led up to this moment, because I used to think all of these different things that I did, these different careers, were dead ends. And then it hit me and I go but what if they're actually? They were all experiences that set me up to do exactly what I'm doing now.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Because you know how to write the script for All Read Up. I don't know that.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Right, I know how to write the jokes into content stuff, but you know how to actually format a script. You are a playwright or a filmmaker. So do you know, like I agree with that and I love that, I love how life does that you go. Oh, that's why I, you ever, you ever have something around the house like little I don't know, like little plastic rubber bands that you kept for you don't know why, and then you absolutely need them for something that you, months later that you go. Oh, I remember I have those rubber bands right, like it's. That's how life is always sort of working itself out in this really cool way, so yeah, Awesome.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Well, I want to move now to the lightning round, so I'm going to ask. I'm going to ask you a handful of questions and they can be yes or no, whatever comes to my mind or whatever comes to your mind, and if we want to like talk about something more, we'll jump on it afterwards. Are you ready? I'm excited, Okay. So number one have you ever manifested a parking spot or first class upgrade using science of mind?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Absolutely Multiple times.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Okay, cool. What is the most important part of your morning spiritual practice?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Meditation, okay Sitting quietly Okay.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

What is a TV show, movie or book that you think perfectly demonstrates new thought principles?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Everything, everywhere, all at once, I guess.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

There you go. Love that. What's a book you find influential for you? The Alchemist by Paolo Coelho. Oh, I love that. Love that. What's a book you find influential for you?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

The Alchemist by Paolo Coelho. Oh, I love that.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Number one. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It was like the first time I read it was many years before I found religious science. Oh sorry, this is a lightning round, but I remember-.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

No, no, we can diverge on the Alchemist I love it.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It's just, and it was when I started my own online ministry during the pandemic, which we didn't go into that, but maybe the next time I'm on I'll rev it up. We'll talk about that. But I went, that was my first book that I wanted to dive into and you know, it's just exquisite.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Yeah, it is and it and it. Just again, I'm diverting on the lightning round, but I gave that book to my daughter, who's 24. She read it and it was really impactful to her.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

That is it Probably the age I read it. You know, that's the perfect age to read that book, yep.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Okay, so we use the terms God, consciousness, the universe, the thing itself, quantum field. What do you find yourself using the most?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Love.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Love, I love that. Okay, you could invite one person for dinner Ernest Holmes, ralph Waldo, emerson, gandhi or Oprah. Who's coming over to dinner? Ernie for sure. What's one thing people might be surprised to know about you.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I came out, I had my first girlfriend when I was 40. That's pretty cool and weird and different. I love that yeah.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

All right. Aside from being a minister, speaker or performer, what's one career or job that you could imagine yourself having?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Television writer with.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Thor I love that what's the most impactful thing you've learned from any of your teachers.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I am the all of God.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

All right, you could have a New York Times bestseller, a Grammy, or have your own show on Netflix. Which would you choose? Show on Netflix with Thor. You're really pushing this show. I love it.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I'm nailing that, I'm hammering it.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Okay, good, all right. Next last question you could bring about world peace, but you could never tell anyone, not even your partner. Could you do it?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Absolutely.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Okay, good answer.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I mean I've been a 12-stepper like my whole life, so, yeah, that's like one of the well, one of the things they say they teach you about quote humility, which you can't ever say you're humble but is do something nice and don't tell anybody about it. And so I try to do those kinds of things often and if I can bring about world peace, I mean, come on, what's the harm in me not telling anyone? You know what?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I mean Okay, but just to put it to the acid test, let's say you're sitting with a bunch of your friends, you're watching TV, and on TV they're like peace has been declared in the Middle East. You're not going to turn to someone and go. That was me.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Nah, I'd be like, do you have any Doritos?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

All right, good. Last question this show is called All Revved Up. What's one thing that gets you revved up Good?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

television.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Back to television.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

No what gets me revved up. Honestly, though, good art, good creative expression, painting, painting while listening to loud, loud music, pop music. I love popular music. I love to listen to Apple iTunes and be current, because then I'm in the zeitgeist, like I can feel what's going on with the collective consciousness, so that gets me excited. And of course, you know other ministers and other spiritual teachers. I want to ask you the questions back, like I want to know what gets you ready.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

You know what I'll say for me. I agree with music. Yesterday morning I didn't want to listen to anything except music, and there's one piece of music that, if I put it on, it just revs me up, and it's-.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Are you going to tell me what it is?

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I am going to tell you what it is.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Okay.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

It's the John Williams theme for the movie Superman. Oh yeah, I can listen to that. I've heard it hundreds and hundreds of times.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Were you born in 73?.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

No, no, I was born in 61.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Oh, okay, I thought you were as happy as.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

So I actually saw the original Superman with Christopher Reeve in the movie theater when it first came out. Blew my mind.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

It's one of my favorite movies of all time time and it was one of the first things that I learned to play on the piano. Um, I don't think I can play it now, but but I yeah, I don't think I can now, but that was like the theme. I can. I feel you, john williams, all the way yeah, it's.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Uh, that is probably, and I I'm actually going to do an episode on on the themes in that movie because it's so-.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Put a link to that underneath this too. Okay, look at you, you're totally like podcast producer here. I really want to be able to go look at and find it.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I will, I will All right. So advice, two pieces of advice. Current Amy is going to give advice to young starting out. Amy, what, if anything, would you tell yourself to do differently or to explore more?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I would just tell her she's exactly where she needs to be and to trust the unfolding and just really love herself a little more. I mean, self-love has been the journey for me and I'm still on it, on that journey to really accepting and loving myself, and I think that the more I do it, the more I can teach it. And yeah, so, love yourself, little kid, love yourself, ames.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

And in terms of newer ministers, people that are just starting out, maybe they're practitioners or they're on that journey. From your own perspective, of your journey to become a minister, what would you say to them?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Well, two things. Number one find a teacher that just lights you up. It wasn't with James, I don't think it would have been anybody else, I don't think I would have gone through the, I just wouldn't have done it. And so find yourself a James Mellon or somebody that you want to be like, that you go. I want that life that you know. And then the second thing, of course, is is massage. Get massages often.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Okay, so now I want you to to to last question is talk about not just the future of, of new thought, of spiritual centers, but what do you see if you were going to design a center from the ground up, from scratch? What one or two elements do you think every successful center in that vision would have?

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I love the idea of a center being a hub and I love when centers have like really great gift shops and bookshops. So in my vision of a real like, when I was deciding to do House of Love and Light, I was sort of imagining that there was this center where there was this amazing, you know library space slash cafe where you could go and you could just you could just read and study, and maybe even there would be a creative space in there and there always be things going on. There's this place in Charlotte I don't know if it's still there. It was called the 24 hour prayer room and it was always open, there was always somebody there and it was the most awesome place because every wall was covered with different things, Like one had a post-it note for gratitudes, another had a map of the world and then you could write things about. In other words, a very interactive space I would have in my dream center. It would absolutely have some kind of a labyrinth in the back and then it would just have. I would have a normal service Probably. I would have two services a week, a midweek, and then either a Sunday or Saturday, maybe even Friday night. Change things up. I think people are getting a little tired of the Sunday morning thing, but I think outside the box.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Another thing is that I served as a minister for six months at a place here in Asheville called Jubilee. We didn't touch upon that either which for next time but that was in the round and that was really, really cool. Everything was set up in the round and then for each via because it was a creation spirituality church the minister moved to the different direction. So in other words, they're in the north and they're in the south, so the podium would move and then he would move about or I, when I was minister, would move about the space and I loved that. So if I had my own church I would probably design it like that again, because it gives people this sense they can see each other right when you're in the round. It's wild.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

I love that. Well, I feel like, would you be willing to share one final song to close this out here, something that we can end on? I would love that, and. I thank you so much for being my guest on the show today, and I loved our conversation. Of course, I always love our conversation, but this was really special.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Like every time we have a conversation I'm like I wish we would have recorded that. Or like our prayers are always so good and like I just I love you so much and it's been. If for anybody who's listening, who doesn't know, we were set up by James. James did a matchmaking for us for a prayer. He said I want you to have a prayer, thor, to be your prayer partner, and we were in class together, but we weren't like friends by any stretch, like we were just like I was a little bit intimidated, in fact, because he's like the best student ever. So it's just been such a pleasure and honor being your prayer partner and now your friend.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

So this is called Power. I'll sing a song for you. It's from my CD called Intimate with the Infinite, which is all new thought songs. There's a power in a seed reminding itself how to become a tree. There's a power in a cell and it's capable of making a you or a me. There's a power in a word vibrating at a frequency, and there's a power inside that power, inside that power it's love, love, love love, love, that's right.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Love, love, love, and you can feel it revealed. When an open, broken heart begins to be healed, it breaks like the sky. When a long, dark night starts spinning on the wheel of the world, watch it rise. Out of the ashes comes another day of bright light shining through your eyes. So much surprise every time we fall in love. Love, love, love, love. You can sing along if you're listening.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

Love, love, love, love, love. There's a force in the fist, but when unclenchedched it ceases to exist. It shifts into light. So much freedom releases from the wrist. So insist on bliss, insist on bliss, insist on bliss, insist on bliss, insist on bliss, insist on bliss.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

And love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love. In a seed, reminding itself how to become a tree. There's a power in a cell and it's capable of making you or me. There's a power in a word love vibrating at a frequency, and there's a power inside that power and back of all that power, you. You know what it is. You know what it is it's love.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Awesome, love it, reverend Amy Steinberg. Thank you so much.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

My pleasure.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Namaste.

Rev. Amy Steinberg:

I love you.

Rev. Thor Challgren:

Love you too.

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