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#003: Leading with Vulnerability: Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne on Authenticity, Connection, and Spiritual Growth
In this deeply inspiring conversation, Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren sits down with Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne, a minister, corporate leader, and former stand-up comedian, to explore what it means to lead with authenticity, navigate emotional complexity, and integrate spiritual principles into everyday life. Together, they dive into timely and personal reflections on leadership, connection, and spiritual growth.
✨ What You’ll Discover in This Episode
- How to embrace vulnerability as a strength in leadership and life.
- The intersection of spiritual practice and professional excellence—and why Tiffani believes they’re inseparable.
- How authenticity transforms the way we speak, lead, and connect with others.
- Thought-provoking reflections on navigating divided spaces with love and compassion, especially during the holidays.
- Why the principles of New Thought provide a roadmap for living with purpose and intention.
✨ Key Quotes from the Episode
- “I believe in love only, but that doesn’t mean bypassing grief or anger. Feeling everything is part of trusting the process.”
- “Authenticity is the foundation of effective leadership—and spiritual practice. People connect with the real you, not the version you think you should be.”
- “In a world that often feels divided, the starting point is love and oneness. That’s where the real healing begins.”
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Hi, I'm Rev Dr Thor Chalgren and welcome to All Revved Up the podcast for spiritual leaders navigating life, purpose and leadership in our ever-changing world. Today I'm joined by Rev Dr Tiffany Milne, a minister at Global Truth Center and a successful business leader. This episode dives into the raw and honest challenges of leadership, especially in difficult times.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I had a moment. I'll be honest where I was like, should I just give up the license? Like honestly, like I'm not up to the challenge of being a leader in a world that looks like this. I'm tired, my soul is tired, I can't believe we're here again. But then it was like, okay, what if you just allow that sadness, allow it to weigh on your heart and trust that, on the other side, I will intuitively know what's mine to do?
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Authenticity is at the heart of what we do as spiritual leaders. Here Dr Tiffany reflects on what it means to show up as your true self.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And what people are really looking for is authenticity. What they really want to see is how do you look at the world, how do you walk through something like an election and what is the consciousness that you go through? How does it look like when life happens in your life and how do you navigate it?
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:We also talk about how leadership rooted in oneness creates extraordinary possibilities, whether in ministry or the corporate world.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well, if your primary premise is oneness, which it is in spiritual circles, right that we're all one. If you can apply that principle to your team at work, or to a classroom, or to you know, wherever you are, everybody feels valued, everybody feels important, everybody feels central, everybody feels supported and taken care of, then now, what great work can we go out and do?
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:This conversation is a testament to the power of vulnerability, authenticity and love as guiding principles for leadership. Here now is my interview with Reverend Dr Tiffani Milne. Dr Tiffani Milne, welcome to the show. It is so great to have you here today.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Thanks, dr Thor, I'm excited to be here the show.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:It is so great to have you here today. Thanks, dr Thor. I'm excited to be here, me too. Well, let's get the show started, if you wouldn't mind, by doing a treatment for us and for the audience that's listening to this and our conversation?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Sure, I'd love to.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:All right, let's just take a deep breath, close your eyes, if it feels comfortable, and center in this moment, recognizing that, right where I am, god is that we live in an infinite, expansive field of intelligence.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:This quantum field is all things, all things seen and unseen, and I know that this is who I am, this is who Thor is. Each person listening, tuning into this podcast and beyond is this infinite intelligence, this love, this light, this energetic field of pure possibility. And so what I know is that today's podcast and meeting of the minds is a divine appointment filled with enlightenment, with exchange of ideas, god talking to God, love talking to love. I recognize that what needs to be said is said, what needs to be heard is heard, and the ripples go out in an infinite cascade of beauty and love and truth. And I'm so grateful for this time together, for this experience, for this knowing, for this teaching, for this love and connection and gathering of oneness, and with that, I simply release this word as law, knowing it is already done, as together we say and so it is Beautiful, thank you, thank you.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Well, this episode is going to come out the week of Thanksgiving.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:We're recording this about a week before, and it was interesting for the audience.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:This is the second interview that I've done for the show, and originally this was going to come out in January and then something happened in November that sort of just made everything feel like it required a more immediate conversation, a conversation where we can sort of speak about real and frank things, and I thought, given that this is coming out Thanksgiving, it's kind of the perfect opportunity to have a little bit of real talk, because first I want to, I'm going to ask you in a second, like how you've been processing the week or so post-election, what you've noticed.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:But then also, you know, talk about when we're sitting around the table with people, and this is like the last 10 years it's not just this year, but the last 10 years these sort of family moments or the conversations with friends around the Thanksgiving table, the Christmas table, whatever the season is. It's been a little bit tense, and so I want to talk about that. How do we have these conversations where we recognize oneness, we recognize there's nothing but love, and yet there's this very real. I don't want to say it's real, but there's a perceived divide in our country, right now anyway. So let me start by asking how are you feeling now that we're about a week or so removed from the events of November 5th?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Oh man, okay, so I feel like a little bit of my history has to go into the answering of that question, just because I come from a place that I sort of grew up with were very much indignant righteousness, and there is a right side and a wrong side. There's a right side of history, there's a wrong side of history and judgment. I actually, if we're going to get, if I'm going to be really transparent about me, I actually, if we're going to get, if I'm going to be really transparent about it, I actually thought that I was put on this planet to put people in their place who other people weren't capable of putting in their place. Like you know, sharp wit, acerbic and you know, and cynical, and so I have. In this teaching we talk about the fact that old beliefs don't go away. Right, it's still that. That still exists. It's just that I started to grow and evolve and develop new beliefs and beliefs that are more rooted in love and oneness and connection, right, and so as I started studying and I started, started growing and I became a minister and then I got my doctorate in consciousness studies, my worldview started to really grow and expand and there was room for love, even in situations that didn't seem loving or and there was room to love people that I may not always like right, or to not have to stand in that righteousness.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And then last Tuesday happened, and this is the first time in my life, so I know what old me does in a situation like this. I know that girl really, really well and I also know the me of the last you know, say 10 years, that is really able to take a 30,000 foot view to things and really take a step back, even though something may appear. You know, just because I don't, I can't see the good right now, doesn't mean that good doesn't exist right now, doesn't mean that good doesn't exist. And just because I don't know why something has happened does not mean that there isn't some greater meaning or that life isn't unfolding perfectly. What I've never experienced before is the me of Tuesday night that knew both simultaneously, the me of Tuesday night that felt honestly, just a deep, deep sadness for where we are as people. Not in any sort of judgment about it or these people are good and these people are bad, or these are right or these are wrong, but just we're so divided.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:There's clearly so much fear. People are afraid on both sides of the aisle I've seen a lot of people, a lot of Republicans, saying I don't like this man, I don't stand for what he stands for Not to make this a political thing, but it's not about him, it's about the state of the country. I'm afraid for the economy, I'm afraid for world events, I'm afraid of immigrants, you know, or whatever the case may be. And recognizing that we've gotten to this place of so much divine and being able to have the 30,000 foot view of seeing that and seeing that ultimately it's not a case of good versus evil, and also being really, really sad and angry and feeling the injustice in my own heart that it felt like, and so it's taken a lot of processing, it's been a lot of tears, if I'm being really honest. I've been really sad and I've had moments of anger and I've had moments, you know, I think sometimes we think you get an REV and suddenly you know, all negative emotion just goes away and I'm just floating on a cloud wherever I go.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:It's all good, it's all God.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:It's all good, it's all God, but that's really just a bypass. It's really a bypass, what? What is a neat experience is to be able to trust. There was a deep, profound trust this time that I could walk through all of the emotion and knowing a force for good in the world, in a world that feels you know. I had a moment I'll be honest where I was like should I just give up the license? Like, honestly, like I'm not up to the challenge of being a leader in a world that looks like this. I'm tired, my soul is tired. I can't believe we're here again. But then it was like, okay, what if you just allow that sadness, allow it to weigh on your heart and trust that on the other side, I will intuitively know what's mine to do. And so today, what was mine to do is to show up in the podcast and just be transparent, like I don't have. A week later, I don't have all the answers. I really don't.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:You and I spoke the day after the election on Wednesday, because I was asking you hey, are you still's trying to process this in a way that's helpful for other people, that you can do both, and I think that was so. I loved hearing that because I think it can be natural that if you're a spiritual leader or someone that aspires to live your life that way, you can look at it and go I'm not supposed to feel sad and yet that all you're doing to your point of you know it's just bypass. If I just say no, no, no, I can't feel sad, I can't feel this way at all. I need to just be like it's all right, I'm going to figure it out, it's all good, it's all God. That's not going to help you as a person and ultimately is going to make you an inauthentic leader. I think right.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well and I think it's alienating and it's actually disrespectful to people and what they're going through. You know, I have a lot of spiritual leaders in my community on social media and a lot of you know people in this space and so you know you turn on social media and you've got the people who are posting. You know people in this space and so you know you turn on social media and you've got the people who are posting. You know blog posts or they're sending out whatever. And I, as somebody who you know has training on and has come a long way from my first response being F you. When I opened it up and I saw people bypassing it and it's all good, it's all gone, my first thought was kind of F you. If I opened it up and I saw people bypassing it and it's all good, it's all gone, my first thought was kind of F you.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:If I'm being honest, it was like it's inauthentic and and part of it is allowing people to be in the space that they're at, like it's compassionate to say I see you, I know a higher truth and I know we're going to be okay and it's okay to feel the feelings that you're feeling.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:It's okay to have the emotions that you're having and like, let's be in that space and I'll hold you, rather than I need to fix it. You know, kicking kitty litter over and pretending like it doesn't happen just creates, honestly, like cancer, I mean it literally. Just it creates such a and stuffed emotion and repression and all the things like. I want to blow it wide open, I want to experience it all, I want to feel it all so that I can get to the other side of it, Cause the ultimate goal is to get to a place of peace and to get to a place of action and empowerment. But if I pretend like I'm feeling empowered when I'm not, I'm not actually. You're not cooking with gas, you're just sort of faking it till you make it, I guess, which I don't believe in.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:And you, just to sort of give a context, the very next day you had a class to teach with practitioners, so you kind of scrapped your original teaching plan. What did you do the first hour or so of the class? You know, 24 hours removed from the election.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Yeah. So I think you know I had, as the results were coming in, tuesday night and when I woke up Wednesday morning I was like, oh my, I wanted to sink into like, oh my, goodness, you know, I, I had all of it going on at once and I thought, wow, this class should really be taught by an adult. I should go find one. Can I wrangle somebody in with greater emotional maturity than I have at the moment to teach this class? And then I recognized than I have at the moment to teach this class. And then I recognized I was like, oh no, like I have a commitment, and it's not just a commitment to the students that I agreed to teach on a Wednesday night, it's a commitment to living by these principles. It's a commitment to consciousness, not that it's okay, not that it's not okay to have feelings that are, not that it's okay, not that it's not okay to have feelings that are. But I have committed to living my life by these principles. And if that's the case, then it's my job to get to a place where I can show up authentically, not, you know, in a it's all good, it's all God kind of way, but in a authentic. Where are we at. So I did, I scrapped the entire we were going to go over. One of what we're working on is spiritual mind treatments and what makes effective treatments, and identifying the mental cause or the beliefs behind the condition, as well as the spiritual truth of the condition and how to move energy. And so you know, every week they do homework based on their life and we come in and we talk about it and as a class, we identify all that. And I was like who wants to? You know, do a class. We were working on, I think, childhood memories and I was like it just felt like can you just show up and be like all of this is going on? There's so much emotion, it Can you just show up and be like all of this is going on? There's so much emotion, it's palpable in the world. Let's just talk about when you were seven and pretend like it didn't happen. And so I just opened the class with let's talk about it, where are we at? And then we used it and what do we teach? And then we went, broke off into groups and did spiritual mind treatments about the election and where we are as a country. And then we did the same curriculum, you know, identifying the beliefs and identifying the, you know, the spiritual truth and all that stuff. But we did it in the context of what's going on today, because I think you know, I mean, what better class than this is?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:You know, I remember I was a newly brand new minister. I'd probably only been licensed for a definitely less than well, maybe not less than a year, I don't remember the timeline, but I felt very new and it was right after the mass school shooting in Texas and it had happened, like you know, very late in the week and I was supposed to give the Sunday service that Sunday and I remember first looking for an adult, I called our spiritual director, thinking surely he would say, oh, this calls for a grownup, I'll take over Sunday service, which he did not do. And then I had to remember, like, what do I believe, what do I know, and how can I show up in the most authentic way in service of a community that needed to grieve and needed to heal? And you know. So I had to scrap the talk that I was originally going to give and we talked about it. Yeah, I don't know if that answers your question, but that's what I did.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:No, it does. And I think one of the things that's interesting as I think look back to practitioner training, ministerial training probably the things that stand out most to me are the moments where I got to observe our senior minister learning like, okay, this is how you not that he's always right, but he is doing what you just described. He's processing things, being authentic, being genuine here's where I'm at with this but also doing it from a place of knowing principle, and that, I think, is so important.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well, and I think the challenge is is that you're also, you know you don't bring your mess to your congregation right.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:It's not appropriate to get up on a Sunday and give a talk where you're still processing and working out your own crap, and so you have to have a point of view about it.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:But I think that early on I thought that that meant that I had to have risen all the way to the 30,000 foot view, and I think sometimes there's value in I'm just five minutes ahead of you. It's not that I have it all figured out, it's not that I don't have bad days or that I don't, you know, have sometimes, you know, have an initial reaction that is not the most spiritually grounded, but I think sometimes being able to see somebody's process of like this is how I initially reacted. But here's what I know, and even though I may not be all the way there yet, it doesn't mean that I've stepped off principle or that I'm not or that I throw away everything that I know to be true. And I think, you know, our spiritual director is a great example of that, of showing himself, walking through living life in the relative world that we live in and being, you know I'd say I'm probably five minutes ahead, he's probably 10, but still he's showing what it looks like to be just 10 minutes ahead and seeing a bigger picture.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:So back to it's Thanksgiving week and you're either making the decision who you're going to be with or you know there's going to be people there. It doesn't even have to be the election, you could just know these are people that I don't get along with, I don't agree with, but we teach and live oneness. So how do we and I'm asking, just because I'm asking smart people how could I think about this in a way that is genuine, that doesn't make me feel like I'm just kind of like, okay, I'm just going to have to put on a good face and pretend like I like these people, even though maybe I don't, maybe I don't like the choices that people made. But we got to start somewhere in having these conversations if we're ever going to get back to a place where going back to your point about how we're so divided how can we be less that if we don't have these conversations?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Yeah, I think this has been the big challenge that I've been struggling with over the last week, if I'm being really honest, because on one hand, I believe in love. Only I understand that it's not necessary that we all come with beliefs and belief systems that, whether rooted in spiritual truth or rooted in you know, some sort of childhood trauma or whatever the case may be. You know, you've been raised in a lot. I've been raised in a long line of Democrats. So am I a Democrat because I'm really a Democrat or am I Democrat because I live in California and you know I come from? You know, when I was a kid I thought, like you're Jewish, of course you're a Democrat, like that's just how it works, and we're, you know, in this day and age I'm not sure that's so true anymore, and so I can have compassion and understanding for where the divide comes from, and even can step out of judgment about it. But where I'm unclear is where does my activism come in? Where is? Does my voice need to be lent? It's clear that a bridge needs to be built, but does the bridge get built by me just loving you while you are completely unloving and doing and saying unloving things and being bigoted towards people that I hold near and dear to my heart? I don't. It's a difficult thing. I'm fortunate my Thanksgiving table will be filled with very like-minded people that I, that those conversations aren't going to come up, you know. And there's a fine line because I'm.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I believe that I can love everyone and also recognize that not everybody gets to have close access to me, and that both of those things can be true and that I can be in a room full of people and have love and compassion for them.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to have dinner or go to Starbucks with every single person in the room.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so I can tell you that I haven't fully reconciled what is mine to do yet or how, what is my responsibility. I know that. You know I made a commitment when I became a minister to live the principles of new thought. To live the principles of new thought, to live in spiritual truth, to get to love only as quickly as possible, no matter what, to believe that life is unfolding perfectly, no matter what. And it doesn't mean that I don't ever step off principle. I've just made a commitment that I get back there as quickly as humanly possible. So I know that it is possible to show up at Thanksgiving and be loving and to be kind, and I do think that being in loving and kind to my family and my friends and the people that I hold near and dear that are part of the LGBTQ community means that I don't sit in a room with people who are saying horrific things and just silently pretend like it's not happening. But I also know that berating somebody for being bigoted does not make them less bigoted.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:It's interesting. Last night I was having a conversation with our spiritual director about you know, know, thinking that in the science of mind. Holmes talks I think this is you know, check me on this but he talks about can you treat for someone who doesn't want to be treated? Is that ethical? And I mean you can certainly do it, but it may not be ethical to treat for someone who doesn't do it, but it may not be ethical to treat for someone who doesn't wish to receive that. And maybe there's a parallel there in a way that if someone holds views that are antithetical to what you believe, what I believe, maybe there's right now I can love, but it doesn't mean that I have to go. It's my mission to change someone's mind. If they don't want their mind changed, then it's not my place to try and do that. Does that make sense?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Yeah, I think what I can treat for is my greater understanding of who they are. In other words, everybody is love, everybody is this. You know, the same infinite field that I have access to is the same infinite field you have access to. Infinite field that I have access to is the same infinite field you have access to. The same perfection that I am is the same perfection that you are, whether I'm behaving like it or not, and so I can know that not and take their behavior or take their the relative whatever out of it.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I don't need to change, treat for you to change your mind, but I can treat to know that you are that loving presence, that you are that creative energy, and I can treat for you to know that too. And that doesn't mean that you change your beliefs or change your mind. That's just knowing the truth about who you are, and that truly is the place where minds can be changed anyway, but not saying that that's the intention behind it. But I don't need you to change your mind. I want each and every one of us to know who we are, and when each and every one of us knows who we are, minds won't need to be changed because there won't be a divide. There won't be. Nobody would ever want to do anything that's hurtful to another person if each of us was walking around knowing who we are.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:So, do I need them to change their minds? No, I think we all need to change our hearts.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I love that. Well, on that note, let me ask a slightly more frivolous last question about Thanksgiving. You can only have one pie at your table pumpkin, apple or mincemeat. Which do you choose?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Okay, I don't even know what a mincemeat pie is, but is it meat?
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:No, well, it can be and I've had that and it was shocking to me. We actually I'll diverge for a second while you're thinking of it we went to someone's house and they're like mincemeat and I'm like, oh great, it's the one with apples and or not apples, but raisins and cinnamon and cloves and stuff. So that's what I was expecting. And we actually made it with deer and I was horrified. So no. I'm talking about the or maybe pecan pie. But what's your necessity?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I just have to say, as you were talking, I just saw a meme recently that said that would just describe me to a T. It said I finally learned to keep my mouth shut. Unfortunately, my face has subtitles and so, as you were talking, I'm like I'm not saying that sounds disgusting and vile, but my face just anybody tuning in watching is going to be like oh, I know exactly how she feels about the idea of having deer meat in pie.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:It is. It's horrible. It's when you're expecting raisins and sweetness and you get deer meat. It's horrifying.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:So hard. No, on the minced meat no way I'm not. I mean, I should stay open to the idea of trying it. So if there's minced meat, it would never happen at my Thanksgiving table. We don't have political disagreements. We also don't have meat in our pie, but if it's available. If somebody wants to send me mincedat pie, your grandmother's secret recipe I am open and willing to try it. But I'm guessing it won't be my favorite. I would probably. So I feel like it's not Thanksgiving without pumpkin pie. There's sort of a like specialness to it. But if I was going with my favorite flavor of pie I'm not a big pie eater, I'm not a big sweet person I'd probably go with apple. There's something about warm spiced apples in the winter that make me feel warm and toasty.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:So maybe a small piece of each.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Yeah, I'll do that.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Okay, good, okay. So I want to talk now about your. Before you got involved in ministry, you kind of ended up on a stage on a Sunday, having originally been on a different stage. You had a career in stand-up comedy. I mean, I don't want to say it in the past tense because you still bring that, but how would you say being a performer, having an understanding of comedy and how an audience responds to things? How has that informed you as a speaker on a Sunday or in front of a spiritual audience?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I mean, I think you know, it's kind of when, as humans, we're meaning-seeking missiles right, we want to find meaning in everything or we want to, like. You know, when you look back at your life, when you look at your life in reverse, you can go oh, that step was leading to this step that was leading to that step. There was always a performer in me. I always knew that it was some, and I tried all these different modalities and I felt like I felt the most, you know, it was like I was an actress as a kid. My grandfather was an actress that had a lot of success, or an actor not an actress, um, that had a lot of success. And so I thought I wanted to be an actress and I realized, oh, I don't really enjoy speaking other people's words, like I had a hard time. Somebody else wrote something and I was supposed to, like, put it on and wear it, and I wasn't very good at it.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And then I found myself at Second City and started doing improv, where I got to be the creator of the content, you know, in conjunction with somebody else, and I loved it. I was like, oh, this is fun, it was just like playing, and I really enjoyed it. I didn't know where it was leading, I just it was like my dad would tell people, while everybody else was going to real college, I went to clown college because I, just like you know, I loved it and a bunch of people there were stand up comics. They were, you know, going doing the comedy clubs and they were like you're funny, you should do this with me. And I was in an acting class. By the way, that was the teacher, was a science of mind teacher.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Oh, wow.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I knew and I was like it went completely over my head she ended every class with and so it is, and I was like it didn't. But I started going to comedy clubs and I loved it. I just I loved everything about performing, except I didn't love late nights. I didn't love, you know, being at a seedy bar in LA and then walking to my car by myself at you know one o'clock in the morning with a bunch of drunk people who had just seen me on stage and so it wasn't. It was like this weird thing where it was like I'm a sheltered girl from the suburbs but I really, like you know, just expressing myself on a stage. And then at some point I started my science of mind studies and I found this teaching and I remember early on, like, relatively I was not, I'm kind of subscribed to the. I don't want to be the member of any club that would have me Like I'm not a joiner.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I don't want the old broad show joke.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Yeah, I sat in the back of the room and I remember sitting on a Sunday and hearing this voice inside saying I want to be a minister someday, and then I was like I don't know who the heck said that that was really stupid, that's never going to happen, and just like, didn't even think about it again. But as I look back because you can kind of study your life it's like I was always paving the way to be a minister. That this deep longing to understand people and the universe and to understand myself better, and this desire to I mean I don't know if being a comedian was inspiring, but this desire to like entertain and to connect with people in a bigger way sort of were always inherently in me, and so it sort of makes perfect sense to me now that both of those things were always there. They were just sort of waiting in the quantum field for this moment to converge into who I was always supposed to be. If that makes sense, yeah it does If.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I came to Okay yeah does.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Now I get to use all of it together and it doesn't feel like any piece is missing, if that makes sense.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:If I came to you and said that I was thinking about taking an acting class or taking improv as a minister, could you see the benefit? Or what would you see as a benefit? Now, what might I learn from that experience that you think would benefit someone as a speaker who has a more traditional minister role?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well, I think that acting classes force you to find your own authenticity right. It's not just pretending to be a character, it's really identifying something inside of you that connects with it. And then, coming from that place and I think a lot of ministers and I certainly it was the case when I was a new minister I felt like, okay, now I'm being a minister and so I'm going to step out on the stage and I need to inspire and enlighten you with my what an amazing minister I am. And what people are really looking for is authenticity. What they really want to see is how do you look at the world, how do you walk through something like an election, and what is the consciousness that you go through? How does it look like when life happens in your life and how do you navigate it? And so I think that the authenticity that is required in being an actor is also very much required in being a minister presence.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I mean, how many people have a mate? They're brilliant, they have amazing messages, they're super smart, they've got all the components and they get up and they're kind of boring and you're like oh man, you know like this isn't yet when you step into the Global Truth Center. It's not your grandmother's church. You know you walk in and it's like, oh, it's like a broad. You know there's Broadway level performances and the ministers are funny and they're engaging and they're giving of who they actually are, versus some elevated version of who they'd like you to see them as. And so I definitely think anybody who's going to be in front of a stage if you want people to not fall asleep and to actually be engaged in the experience could benefit from some performance training for sure.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yeah, it's interesting that, as you were saying that, I was thinking of an experience both you and I had at a recent conference where one of my classmates went up and did a standup act and you and I both were just amazed because it was the most authentic we had seen him speak Like he was really leaning into who he was and you could see there was a joy that he had, a joy the audience had completely unexpected. But you kind of go that all can think I need to speak the way I think a minister sounds like, or what they talk about or what they care about, and in that moment he discovered something truly authentic about him.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:That was wonderful. Well, yeah, because I mean, here's the truth. I'm not for everyone. I am often irreverent. I can find the funny in anything.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I you know my process is often, you know, my first thought was like I hate everybody and then like, oh no, who am I really inside? And you know the process, or you know whatever the case may be. But like some people might look at me and think that's a minister. I mean, you know, I think for so long I fought being a minister because I didn't know any ministers that were like me and I thought, you know that I didn't know how to honor who I was and also be in this leadership space of spirituality. And it was only when I recognized that I could only do it the way that is unique to me and that some people are going to find that amazing and flock to my classes and want to tune in and hear what I have to say. And other people are going to be like, oh my gosh, she's irreverent. Like I think I heard her say you know about a four letter word and I'm not going to be for them and that's okay, but I can't do my best work out in the world if I'm not being authentic to who I am. And so, yeah, I mean I think when we saw him sort of lean into exactly who he is, that's I mean.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Think about it in any capacity. It's not just a minister, it's not just a leader. When you see somebody just being their authentic, I mean even when you see like a kid twirling in the grocery store, you can't help but smile and feel elevated by it because they're just authentically being who they are. And I think it's refreshing in a world where so many of us feel like we're supposed to be something other than who we are I'm supposed to have. You know, I spent so much of my life thinking that everybody got a handbook to life that I just wasn't given, like everybody else seemed to know what they were doing and I was winging it. And then when you realize like oh, everybody's winging it, like so all I really have is my own authentic. I get to wing it in my own glorious way. And if I can share that and it inspires somebody else or it helps somebody else, then awesome. And then, if I'm not for you, there's going to be another minister on another channel on another Sunday.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yeah, you have talked about, you're teaching a practitioner class now, and when you went through your practitioner journey and your ministerial journey, you had a couple of times where you quite definitively were like I'm done with this.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:This is not for me as a teacher now who may have students that are coming to you that are saying not for me, how do you, as a teacher, address and try and understand why someone maybe is at that point in their practitioner or their ministerial journey? You know, it's funny. I remember I don't remember at what point in my studies, but at some point in my studies we were talking about archetypes and we were going through and trying to figure out which of the archetypes we identified with and I suddenly it hit me like, oh, I'm the reluctant hero I had. You know, I, I don't want, I didn't, didn't set out to be a minister, I didn't set out to be a practitioner. Not that I'm calling myself a hero, but it's this idea of you know, there's a calling for you. Nope, not my calling. Like, oh, you know, stand in the front of the room. Nope, I'm good in the back, like I. Just, you know, clearly I'm always looking for an adult. Where's the adult? Because I'm not the adult.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so part of the journey was that, with each class when I went into practitioner studies, that with each class when I went into practitioner studies, my teacher asked me so why do you want to be a practitioner? And I said I don't, I just want to keep studying, I want to keep growing. I have no desire to, you know, use this in any capacity other than to change my own life. And he was like, okay, great, and let me into practitioner studies. So when it came time for ministerial because eventually, like you've taken all the classes, like what's next? When I got to ministerial, he said, okay, why do you want to be a minister? I said, oh, I don't, I have no desire to be a minister, I don't want to do this for anybody else, I just want to keep growing and studying, and my life is getting so good, I just want to keep letting my life get better and better.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so I think that some of the running away was there was something in me I was always going towards that. You know, even when I was a comedian or when I was in practitioner, whatever, I was always going towards this higher version of myself and this higher calling of myself that I didn't always know that's what I was running towards. And so when it got hard, it was like, well, I don't want to do this anyway, so I'm just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna bone out, I'm not going to do this. And when and when I was confronting. You know, the whole first year of practitioner is all about how life got to be this way, and so it's all about digging up beliefs and figuring out, like you know, the good and the bad and the ugly. And when I was confronted with some stuff, I was like, oh, I don't, like I don't need this crap, I gotta go because I don't want to do this anyway.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And then I think there was still that inside, you know there's. You know, even when you want to convince yourself otherwise, and even when you have those moments, there's still that still quiet voice that's saying there's something for you here, keep going. Know how to reconcile a comedian being a minister I didn't know how to reconcile, you know, my irreverence with being somebody who would inspire people on a Sunday, but I think he saw it in me before I saw it in me, and so it helps. And so the students I have, you know I just am like you're going to be confronted, it's going to suck sometimes, but I promise what's on the other side is worth it. So just stick it out or don't, because that's okay too.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:And you had a number well, not a number, but you had a couple instances where you had doubt about whether you should continue and at a certain point, your teacher just said okay, bye, If that's good. How did that feel in that moment? Because you, up to that point, if that's good. How did that feel in that moment? Because, up to that point, you had been used to being talked into coming back. But in that moment, whether just he was tired or whatever, it was just like okay, that's fine. How did you see that moment, different than the other times when you had hesitancy about continuing?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I think there were two pivotal moments in my ministerial journey that sort of ultimately got me through to the end. One was in the middle of ministerial my dad died and suddenly I that life is eternal and that, beyond this experience and even though I always believed that, I always knew that to be true his actual lack of presence like him physically not being here was so painful that anytime somebody would say life is eternal or say anything to try to make me feel better, I just kind of wanted to punch him in the face Like I just wasn't. I just I couldn't. My skin was on fire and I'd never experienced pain like that. And that was one of the times that I tried to run and my teacher said to me you know, it's okay to question your beliefs. Your belief is stronger. If it can't hold up to questioning and putting it to the test, then it's not rooted in anything real and true. And so I believe that your belief is big enough to question it and to not need to believe it right now. But don't let go of the only thing that might be tethering you to the truth of who you are, and so show up and be pissed off. Show up and don't believe that life is eternal. Show up and have an attitude whatever, but just don't leave right now in this vulnerable state. And so and I did, and I really that was a time that I just cracked wide open. I was really like it was the first time I started to experience myself as vulnerable and experience myself as somebody.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so when I, the next time that something ticked me off, or you know, you fast forward a few months, I don't know how many times I tried to quit. It was a lot. When I tried to quit, it was the first time that my teacher just didn't try to chase me. He was like, okay, bye. And I was like, and I think there was that thing inside of me that that that me that knew who I was all along. That was like no, I'm supposed to be here, you're not going to chase me, screw you Like, I'll show you, like. And.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:But I think what it was about was, up until that point, I really needed him to be my cheerleader. I needed, really needed him to tell me that I belonged, because I wasn't really sure that I did and I didn't really know. I couldn't reconcile the comedian and the minister or the journey in between, and it was the first time that I had to really own that this was something that I was doing for me that I wanted because it was a cop out, to say somebody else had been like dragging me along all the way. And that was the last time I threatened to quit because he didn't try to chase me and I actually called him. I'm like you're not going to chase me, like what's wrong with you. And he was like I'm done, you're exhausting, I'm done. And I was like that's part of my charm. So here I am.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Well, you mentioned your stand-up career and I also want to talk about. You have a unique perspective on our teaching because you are also primarily, an extremely successful businesswoman. You work in a company where you manage teams. You're very successful in that and I know you have a passion for wanting to take this teaching and bring it to the managerial world and sort of try and bring that ethic to people who are managing teams, managing companies. What do you see as the opportunity there to bring this teaching into the business world?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:You know it's interesting, when I was a minister I wrote my thesis on the consciousness of corporate America and I wasn't really necessarily prior to that interested in merging the two worlds. I've always lived, I lived very separately. In merging the two worlds, I've always lived, I lived very separately. I had my nine to five. They crossed over because my consciousness is the consciousness I lead with, so it was spilling over into the way that I led, but I'd never really taken much time to analyze it and, like my employees didn't know that, you know, I was a minister on Sundays until they found me online one day and I was like, oh shoot, I am found out. And then, you know, I kind of kept my work life out. It was just very I'm. You know, I was a mom when I was a mom and I was a leader when I. You know whatever and so, but it was interesting, I was at the last company that I worked for had some very dysfunctional leadership.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I worked for a company that just was. You know, I work for a great company now, but I worked for a company that had very poor leadership and the business was not doing well. And I build, I build companies within companies and then run the company that I built so it's sort of a sub company and a larger company and I realized the company that I had built was thriving, the culture that we had was thriving, that we were connected, that I had a team that everybody had each other's backs and really cared and was passionate, and we were profitable. And the company at large was not. And the company at large was, you know, not, and I it really started. I was like, oh, because these principles are applied in all our and how I chose to lead. I chose to lead with compassion, I chose to lead with connection, I chose to lead with a greater good and a consciousness of anything is possible and supporting one another and all of those things.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so it was the first time that I started to recognize like, oh, like there's a gap in the leadership space. I think you assume you know most people, most managers. If you're really good at being a worker bee and you rise the ranks, eventually the only path for you is to become a manager, and so there's a lot of people who are really great individual contributors and really crappy managers that end up in these leadership positions and once you arrive there, they expect that you already know how to do it. They expect that you already know how to rally troops and get them to all be marching in the same formation and it's just, it's a fallacy. And so you get a lot of imposter syndrome and people walking around pretending like they know what they're doing and doing a lot of damage to their own, to their team and to the morale and all that stuff. And so it's kind of been my passion to infuse these principles into leadership.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I don't tell my team they're God and we don't talk about the quantum field and consciousness all that much Although it's funny because a lot of them, once they found me online, started watching my Sunday talks and whatever but I just think that there's a fallacy, that I think being a leader or being a manager is a calling, but it's also having the skills necessary, and most people have the best of intentions. They just don't know how to do it.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yeah, it does seem. I'm thinking back to do you remember when you would fly on an airplane and they had the in-flight magazines and in the back of the magazine there'd always be like these three or four page ad spreads for companies that did training, either like sales training or manager training? And I feel like when you were saying that that makes such sense that there's you could be a worker, be an employee, and as you rise up you get to that level where now you're a manager. But there was nowhere along the way that trained you how to do that, how to bring that sensibility where you could actually be a decent manager. So it feels like there is a lot of upside there for what you're talking about.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well, and most managers were trained. The only example they have is the managers that they've had. And how many people, honestly, there are people. There are great managers out there, there are great leaders out there. I don't mean to say that everybody across the board is bad at it, but how many? Most people have had bad managers? Most people are hard pressed to identify or they have, like that, one manager that they had in their career and you know.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:But most, and it's not because they're bad people, it's not because they have the intention of like how can I make your life miserable today? It's, you know, it trickles down from the top and you know, working, especially in the corporate world, feels like you're in a pressure cooker most of the time. Like you know, when I'm recruiting, I tell people all the time like I can't make the actual job suck less right, like there's a lot of elements of like the day-to-day when you're dealing with people and you're dealing with whatever, like that part's gonna suck. What I can do is create an environment of people who who care about each other and and good communication and the ability to. You know, can I just tell you I'm having a bad day to day kind of an environment that makes the job suck less. Right Not to say that our jobs suck, but I'm just saying like not every day is bliss when you go to work.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:It's so funny you say that because a couple of weeks ago I started re-watching some episodes of the West Wing the TV show from like 20 years ago and obviously it's set in the White House but one of the things that stood out to me most was this was an environment, a show that demonstrated that all of these people cared about each other. I mean, there were specific things where, more important than any of the things that were going on in the world or the political crises they were dealing with, there were personal issues and it demonstrated like I care about you, you're my friend, and I was like, oh my gosh, that we so miss that feeling of being in a community of people that care about us.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well, if your primary premise is oneness which it is in spiritual circles, right that we're all one If you can apply that principle to everything your team at work or to a classroom, or to wherever you are first of all, I create. Everybody feels valued, everybody feels important, everybody feels central, everybody feels supported and taken care of Then now, what great work can we go out and do? Yes, numbers are important, Data is important, the bottom line profits are important. But so often we're focused on the profits, we're focused on all this stuff out there, and so the fear of not having it means there's like backbiting and I need to get ahead. So who do I? You know you start viewing everybody else's potentially, you know, could hold you back from getting what you're after, what you're looking for. That's how most environments operate is sort of from the relative to you know, and then you're like why is our team so dysfunctional? Whereas if you start with oneness and you start from, the principle of everybody here is valued. Everybody's opinions matter, your voice matters, we care. If you go out, if you have to take time off, somebody else is going to step in and take care of what needs to be taken care of, Just like if I go out.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:You know, I just took a two month leave. My team just rallied and we're happy to do it. They were grateful and happy to have the opportunity. The work was hard, it's not easy. They were happy to do it because they cared about me as a person and wanted to make sure that I didn't have to worry about it. And then profits tend to take care of themselves. Not to say that I don't look at the number. I mean I promise, boss, if you're watching, I do look at the numbers and I'm watching my P&L very closely. But when you work from the big out, then it's like we are going to be profitable, we are going to put out our best work. We do take care. You know happy employees make for happy customers. We can't just expect that everything. I'll be happy when my customers behave the way they're supposed to be and it's like well, did you answer the phone with a smile? Because they can hear that they can hear a smile.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:So I love that. Well, I want to move into the new thought lightning round, so I'm going to just ask you a bunch of quick questions, whatever comes to mind yes or no, or a quick answer and then, if there's anything, we want to dive into deeper. So you ready? Yeah, okay. So have you ever manifested a parking spot or first-class upgrade using science of mind?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Okay, can I make it not a lightning round and answer really like just Please?
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yes, okay.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:So only because just today something amazing happened. That's not quite a parking spot or a first-class upgrade. Yes, I have. I've not gotten a first-class upgrade, I don't know what's about, but I have gotten a parking spot. But so my son is turning 16 in a couple of weeks and we're buying him a car and my husband I believe that I'm just life unfolds perfectly and I'm going to manifest. My husband believes that if he worries hard enough about things, that it'll all work out Right. And so we we always have this joke I'll say see, I manifested that, and he'll go no, I worried extra hard about that. And so we have this like cute little thing going on.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:So we're buying my son a car and you know, the car that we're looking at is a lot more money than what my husband was anticipating we would. We would be paying for it, and so he's been worrying extra hard about the fact that, like it's a big expense coming up and I'm just, like you know, doing my thing. So my accountant, when our tax deadline came up, was he said to us you're getting, I'm inundated like everybody, got us our paperwork at the 11th hour. You're getting a refund. So can it? Do you mind if I wait to do your tax return so that I can get the people that owe in before the deadline. And we were like it's fine, no matter.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:So today, so yesterday, we went and looked at the car. The car was about $3,000 more than what we originally the top end of what we were expecting to pay for the car and I was like I'm just refused to worry about it. I'm sure my husband went to bed worried extra hard. We got a call from our accountant today that our tax return's done, he's ready for us to sign it. And my husband called me. He's like I don't know how you do this. And I said what did I do? The tax refund is the exact amount of the car that we're buying for my son, like almost to the penny, the exact amount of the refund. So not a parking space and a little longer than a lightning round story. But it just happened this morning.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:So I'd say that's way better than a parking space, because now you paid for the car that's going to go in the parking space.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Right yeah, I love it. I didn't just manifest a parking space, I manifested the car to go in it.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I love it.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I love it.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Well, mic drop on that. What's the most important part of your morning spiritual practice?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:The most important part, honestly, is I have stopped picking up my cell phone. The first thing I was I have blocked out news. I don't watch the news, I don't watch the talking heads. I stopped doing that when my son was born to almost 16 years ago, because I was starting to get afraid to leave my house, and so I've had that blackout in my life for a long time. But the first thing I would do when I would wake up is pick up my cell phone and I would go to the news because I don't want to be uninformed. So I still get my news, I just filter the way that I get it and whatever, and so I or social media.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:So what that would really do is, my eyes opened and, before my feet even hit the ground, I was determining whether I was going to have a good day or a bad day based on the device that was in my hand.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so, yes, I meditate, yes, I read spiritual books, I go for nature walks.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:There's a lot that I have. That's a part of my spiritual practice. But the number one thing that I have done is that I do not pick up my cell phone until after I'm ready for the day and ready to face the day with the consciousness that I want to face the day. And then, because if I pick up bad news on my phone and I haven't decided I haven't consciously decided how my day is going to go and who I'm showing up as knowing who I am, then I'm subject to the whims of whatever's in my little device. But when I have made a conscious decision, I've decided to know who I am today, I've decided that I am a badass that can take on the world, and then, you know, put on some makeup and an outfit that goes along with that attitude, and then I pick up the device. The same information can be viewed very differently. So, number one spiritual practice I don't touch my cell phone until I'm ready to start my day, leave the phone where it is.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I love that. That's a great piece of advice. Yeah, and I find I'm doing that as well. I'm well into meditation and reading and journaling. Before I even think about what I want is going on in the world and knowing that, as you think back to all the authors that you've read, either as a student, as a teacher Raymond Charles, barker, holmes, emerson, joe Dispenza who do you find that you go back to and go? You know what I really? That's a book I could read over and over.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Joe Dispenza's Breaking the Habit of being Yourself. For me, it was the first book that took what I had been studying in science and minds and put it in terms where I didn't have to like do mental gymnastics to kind of like really understand. I didn't have to. It's written in the way we speak today, so I don't have to kind of like really understand. I didn't have to. It's written in the way we speak today, so I don't have to kind of and um and put science behind what Ernest Holmes and Thomas Troward and Emerson were saying all those years ago. Um, and and backs it up with science. And so for me it was the first book where I was like, oh, that's what's happening. And then it enabled me to feel empowered to really make the changes and transform. Not that those other authors didn't have a huge impact and that I didn't get it then, but breaking the habit of being yourself was the first time where I really felt like, oh, and I have the power to do something about this.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Is that the book also where he talks about you know, like meditate two hours a day or something? Is that? Did you ever go to that level where some of his meditations did that turn out to be helpful for you? Or?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:The book. Yes, it is very meditation heavy. It's. It's all about rewiring and your neural pathways and all that stuff. His meditations are an acquired taste for me, that's true, and can be a little bit long, I think. Sometimes it's like you know, sometimes I'd love to have two hours a day to sit down and meditate Quite honestly, I'm a mom, I run a you know, run a business. I am a minister, like ain't, nobody got time for that. So when I have the luxury of doing that which isn't very often great, but most of the time my meditations are, you know, 15 minutes max, maybe 30.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yeah, I do TM and it's about like 20 is what they recommend and even that I'm like I, I, I always have some reason where I'm like 20 minutes. That's insane. I don't have that much time, but it's so valuable when I can do it. I know that.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I have a hard time sitting still, to be honest with you, like sometimes I can really, and a lot of times I can drop in and then I can, I can get there pretty quickly, like it's a practice, it's a muscle that if you keep um, but my brain goes a million miles a minute and I often I will spend a lot of meditation going like my skin is on fire, like is it has it been five minutes and it's like it's been five seconds, like. So a lot of times what I'll do is walking meditations. I find when I'm out in nature I really start to understand how the world works. You know I can go gosh, there seems to be so much upheaval and chaos and we had an election and yet the mountains are still the mountains and the birds are still the birds and the trees are still the trees. And it gives me great perspective and I'm fortunate to live, you know, in a gorgeous suburb with, you know, sunshine most days of the year, and so I will often, rather than forcing myself to sit down and torturing myself which I do do and do regularly I'll go out on nature walks and just allow my mind to just let go.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I think for me letting go is what I always need to remember, and the thing that I'm always searching for, anytime I'm in meditation or in a spiritual, is what I always need to remember, and the thing that I'm always searching for, anytime I'm in meditation or in a spiritual practice, is what do I need to just let go of and allow? Um, because I think everything is inherently perfect. It's just what I want. Like I want to get my fingerprints all over it and I want to fix it and I want to make it different now and then. When I look at the it and I want to make it different now and then. When I look at the mountains, I'm like they were here long before me and they'll probably be here long after me and all is fundamentally well.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I love that. All right You're. You've just come back from your nature walk, You're going to have a dinner party and you can invite one of these people to your dinner party. Who's it going to be? Ernest Holmes, Ralph Waldo, Emerson Gandhi or Oprah? Who's coming to dinner?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Oprah.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Okay.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Oprah, you know, one of the things that I really want more than anything is to bring you know, we live in such a secular world and we live in a world where religions are. You know, I mean the a secular world, and we live in a world where religions are. You know, I mean the Bible is one of the most divisive books ever written, like, I hate to say, and it's beautiful and it's got so much truth in it, but it's really created just so much disruption. And so, for me, bringing the teachings of Jesus and Ernest Holmes and Emerson and Gandhi and all of these people into a relatable today world is what I'm passionate about. It's what you know.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I'd much rather sit and have a conversation with agnostics and atheists about what we have in common than you know. Not that I don't want to sit with a Christian and have a conversation, but I just. There's a richness to living in the world that we live in today, with technology and science and news too close to access first thing in the morning, and so when I look at somebody like Oprah, I really recognize her as at the forefront of this teaching, without ever having to mention that it's a teaching or a philosophy or a religion, and that, to me, is what I'm passionate about is how do I make this real world relatable today? You know, how can I? Having conversations with my 16 year old and his friends and and still seeming cool, while also having, you know, being called reverend um is what I'm passionate about, and so I feel like I'd want to just collaborate with Oprah and be like how do I be you when I grow up, um, or how can I? You know, how can I take what you've done and continue to expand on it?
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yeah, oprah, great. Okay, I love it.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Uh, invite me over if you're having Oprah to dinner.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yes, she doesn't live that far from me, so you know who knows, just say when you're on your way, you know, driving on the one-on-one past thousand Oaks, uh, from, from Montecito, just stop by I'll, I'll feed you.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Maybe she'll watch this podcast and she'll be like I need to interview Dr Thor and Tiffany.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:You know what? That's a good mental equivalent to have, because there are people that have had careers where they say that Oprah's like this is my new favorite thought leader. So fingers crossed.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I did get a giant tax return. I got my car for the parking spot, so maybe dinner with. Oprah is next on the docket.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I don't know, it could be, it could be. Well, my last question I want to talk about so you've taken classes in person, you've taken classes on Zoom, you've had everything in between, you've spoken on Sunday. We've all had these different experiences. As you think about, like if you were going to design a spiritual center from the ground up and everything is blue sky, it can be whatever you want, not that you have to design the whole thing, but what's one or two things that you would say are sort of non-negotiable things that would be in your Blue Sky Spiritual Center?
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Well, I think that the one thing that I know is that people want community churches and people are coming in. You know it's zoomed. Should it be online? Should it be is? There's nothing that beats walking into a room full of people that are happy to see your face and having that connection. And when I take a class online, as great as they, it's great. I love that I can have people, you know, I have people in my, you know, in my practitioner class that are, you know, clear on the other side of the country and and I love that, and I and I definitely love that the world is getting smaller, as it feels like it's getting bigger. But nothing beats all being in a classroom with a like group of like-minded people, just or even not like-minded people like debating and having that conversation. And so I think that figuring out how to create sort of keep that community alive and not losing the essence of what makes it special as we continue to grow and expand out is a key component.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:I think that that classes and transformation is, you know, I always say the magic happens in the classroom. Sundays are great, it's great to be inspired. Sundays are what I keep showing up, because it keeps me tethered to these principles, it keeps me in the community, it keeps me from straying too far. Straying too far? You know, I joke that, like on, when I walk out on Sunday, I'm like, oh, love only, and I know who I am and I know who you are, until somebody cuts me off on the freeway and then, you know, it's like am I going to stay in that energy or am I going to flip the bird? You know I'm always at choice. I don't give the bird anymore, um, but, but you know what I mean. And so so, continuing to stay in that.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:And so I think that my biggest concern is that, as we start to say that people aren't filling seats, as much is that what we're missing is where people are, and where people are is they're hungry for this information, they're hungry for transformation, they want to be in classes, they want to be in workshops, they want to be with people. You know, I was interviewing somebody for work I'm hiring, and I was interviewing somebody who's going to a Tony. She's like I can't start for a couple of weeks because I'm going to a Tony Robbins thing. It's on my bucket list and I'm thinking, gosh, you know, and we started talking about it and she, you know, probably go Google me and find me online and find my talks, talks. But I'm like we're saying the same thing.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Tony Robbins is saying we're saying the same thing, joe Dispenza is saying we're saying the same thing. The Secret was saying why are people looking for it out there? Because people, religion has really soured people's idea of what it means to show up on a Sunday. So how do we show ourselves as we are, that we are not telling you how to live, or you know giving there's no dogma here and finding our identity. On that, I think we'll organically find the right balance between having the community and also having a more global reach.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:Yeah Well, I will let that be the last word. Reverend Dr Tiffany Milne, thank you so much for being in this conversation with me today. I really loved it.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Thank you. This was so much fun. I always love hanging out with you, so this was like.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:I agree.
Rev. Dr. Tiffani Milne:Fun conversation.
Rev. Dr. Thor Challgren:All right, take care, thank you. Bye. Thank you for joining me for this inspiring conversation with Reverend Dr Tiffany Milne. I hope that her honesty, wisdom and insight spark something meaningful for you, whether it's a new way of thinking about leadership, navigating challenges or simply showing up authentically in your own life. If you enjoyed this episode, please make sure to subscribe to the All Revved Up podcast. Wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you found value in today's conversation, I'd love for you to leave a review. It helps others discover the show and join our community of spiritual leaders. I'll see you next time.
