Mixed Bag with Peter Smith

Deniese chats to actor and singer Peter Smith. Known for playing Phil Lynott in Moonlight. Among the things they talk about are acting, singing, football and friends. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Next five is five shots five to find five shots. It's probably best known at the moment for playing Philiness in the Moonlight Show, which was in Vickers Street. It's Peter Smith. And Peter, I'm delighted to have you on as a guest, but it's been a tough few days for musicians like yourself and then obviously the people of Ireland and around with the sad news of um Glenn Hansard.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah, I mean, look, what can you say? I mean, I think I genuinely think a fellow meant business with not forget just his music. I mean, he eulogised about people's talent and the music all day long. But it's the stuff that he was involved with being outside of stuff that he didn't have to do, quite frankly. You know, it's w we live in a world full of May Fayners, full of people who make everything about themselves and you know, we well even even ironically, this kind of thing, you know, I I don't I don't pull punches enough people posting things like pictures of themselves, covering songs of Glens and stuff like that. It's just it's just a world we live in today. This is a fella who would have went the other way, you know, had it been anybody else. And I think it you know, what standing on the on the streets busking for for people who have nowhere to live, you know, always putting other people force. And I I think that was a genuine thing with him. Someone that enjoyed going to a local, enjoyed sitting with genuine people, you know, somebody that did Bally Moon where he was from, proud. You know, it just it seems to me that you know with the world is just losing guys like that and yeah, fellas like Nedana who are still breathing, if I'm being honest with you.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

It just doesn't seem fair, you know, just doesn't seem fair.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Exactly. You mentioned that you yourself very proud of your own roots with Trimna. And a bit like Phil Linn, it was the same, Glenn Hansard, you know, you were born and reared in good parts of Dublin, you know, the salt of the earth parts of Dublin.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Yeah, I mean, look, and I know you're not from here, but I know you spend an awful lot of time down here yourself, but it's we you've nothing else but where you're from and and the people that that have raised you in this life. Everything else, you know, the stuff, and you're very kind to mention you know, the shows, whatever films I've been involved in, all that stuff. But all that fades away. All you have is your own people and where you're from. And you know, for me, Glenn Hans said it was just one of those fellows that never lost sight of that. There's too many people out there just loop, they want to be anything else, anything else in these, yeah but themselves. I'm just not that type of fella, and it just seems that those types of people are dip are disappearing or being taken. And I just I can't make sense out of it to me, honestly. Just can't make sense out.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

For me, I hadn't a clue who Glenn Hartsard was when my dad brought in this video of a film called The Commitments When I Was Young. And from the first time I saw it, it was rewinded. I don't know how many times it is my favourite film. And when I heard of him passing away, to me it was goodbye outspan Foster.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look at to be fair, again, I I'm not into revisionist revisionist history either. We all yeah, we all know that, you know, kind of Roberts and uh, you know, and uh Andrew Strong with the stars and that Angeline Ball, Glenn played a small but very in important part. It was it was an unbelievable ensemble. And somebody like that that could grow. I mean, obviously that's that's the mark of his yeah of his talent, the the mark of his development that he could, you know, be in that film, you know, not be at the front of it, but you know, obviously learn and develop and grow. It's an inspiration for everybody that you know you're looking back and going, oh yeah, sure, Dan Hansen was in that and was a big part of it. I think that's more of a of a tribute to the type of guy. I mean, if you were asked when when the commitments were shot, you know, back in the late late 80s, eight nine, you if you were asked who would who of all this cast would be walking away with an Oscar you know, twenty twenty odd le year later, you wouldn't you wouldn't say what it's like.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Angelina or Andrew, probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Yeah. I mean, and and equally it's talented. Angelina's a lovely person. And Ang Angre, I've I don't know Andrew. I've only met once or twice, and you know, but I know Angelina quite well. And they're just lovely people. Like so for me, yeah, it's the mark of who he was as an artist and how determined he was to to to get to the destination that he was destined to get to, you know.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Yeah, right. We'll talk about yourself. Myself and yourself have a few people in common, but uh especially two guys, I'll give them a mention. Two lads that well, one guy that I'm very, very close with, and then another lad that I've got to know over the years, and that's Paul McNally and Owen Heary. Two mad guys, but two very sound guys, a bit like yourself. They're stalled to the art guys, you know, Macrits from Dremna, Owen is from Cavra area, lads that themselves are uh just but like yourself as well, as I said, down to our stall-to-the-art guys who never let they became and you know, big they became good footballers and obviously owen managing them, but they never let success get to them.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

No, no, and look at I I know it's not just a part and uh acquaintance for me. I mean, you know, Bob Paul and Owen are too many close friends. They only had ten points of Paul because yelling all it, you know. So you know, it'd I'd be very I would consider Paul that you know he'd be very close. And only I was only giving out two today about the Sherma Grovers as well. Neither neither of us are Sherma Grover's people. Obviously, we know each other from our time children. Um but you know, you want to see Irish football do well, and we were kind of lamenting that. But I think the two boys have something in common, you know. I've never seen focus like I mean I never played with Paul. I kind of grew up, he's a few years ahead of me, but I you know, I grew up with Alan, his his younger brother, but I never talented one.

SPEAKER_03 6:00

Is that the talented side?

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah, I I uh I never seen focus like the two of them. Yeah. I mean, Paul McNally, I never seen him smile until he retired from from the game. He was that focused. I honestly thought I thought he could have he's one of those who could have gone to the very very top.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

To the very, very top. And Owen, for me, again, is the best trainer I've ever seen. Just the the one of the best professionals that I ever seen. And but the the one the main thing they've got in common is who they are. You know, they never forgot who they are and where they come from, and that's why we're friends, you know, to this day. It'll always be that way.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

I met Macker, obviously, when he played with Longford Town, and not only did I get to know Macker, I got to know his parents, Lord of Mercy, and they're now Angela and Lowell, and that was it. And then when I worked with the Sunder People, I had to do interviews, and obviously Owen was the Shelbrand captain. And I would have made friends with footballers down to the years, but those two guys have constantly been the ones that I would text, I would talk to. Owen, unfortunately, supports United, so we wouldn't be talking that much about it. But Macker Liverpool, so I'd be sending stuff to Macker about Liverpool and that. But you went a different route, obviously. So they couldn't sing, they could play football, but you were talented in another way, is that it?

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Yeah, I I'd be honest with you, like the time I spent at Shelburne, you know, I I often found I found my football that I wasn't as good as I I wanted to be. I you know, I could get by uh and I was never as focused as the lads, never and never could. You know, I I was the lad that thrown up, you know, even for me me local career, I'd I'd be there and then something would pull me away, whether it be you know having to go to England for some sort of audition or you know, having to to tour with some show. So it i i y what's meant for you always pulls not it's not that it never passes you by, it pulls you in the direction that you're supposed to go. Um and yeah, that was me, you know, like in and around just after I I'd left Shelburne, I ended up in England actually doing the pop stars arrival thing for ITV. And of course that's when the the roller coaster really kind of hit home. I had done Irish pop stars and that was yeah, that was a disaster to me, to be honest with you, because you know, you'd you're just horrible people involved, you know. Uh I I I don't put punches about my experience in Port Human. It was quite clear to me, and it was clear to everybody that that that watched that show that a six foot two black guy was not going to fit into that kind of step style and and and they pulled out the stops to make sure that the public just thought I was a sneak bag, you know, it was and it was down to attitude, which you know it wasn't obviously anybody watched. You know, so that that's a that's a that's a chapter that that began. I think I was 22 years of age, and it began to kind of say to me, music stinks. I j I just think, you know, the music industry is poisoned, the cancer is full of people like Louis Walsh, who have no business in it, to be quite honest with you. Um so that was, you know, I always kind of leaned in more towards acting, even though, you know, I ended up doing the ITV thing and ended up doing the fixed thing, ended up on top of the pops a whole bunch of times. But my heart was never my heart was always getting me back onto a stage, you know, where I can I can do what I really, really love. And, you know, I'm I'm grateful that down the years, through all the successes, even though it took a long pause and I've ended up kind of in film, ended up on you know, doing some lovely theatre, and long may I continue, you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

Phil Linnet, and I'm I'd say you're probably sick of people kind of saying that you were the perfect person to play Finn Linnet with everything that you've been through and the fact, you know, that um you're from Dublin, you know, you were this black guy, you know, times were tough when you were growing up as well. But you also had the talent to be Phil Innit. You didn't just get it because of your colour, you got it because you were talented.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Yeah, I'm looking. There's always I always say there's always people out there that are better than you. There's always somebody else out there that thinks that you deserve a shot. But so you have to make sure that you're prepared. You have to put your put your graft in. And I think I had been always, even when I lived in Spain, I'd always been playing with bands. I'd always I had a good I've a good agent in Spain, I've had a very good agent in London, and I've had a brilliant agent in Ireland. So I've always been kind of keeping myself warm and prepared. And I remember the first time I was approached, it was through Jim Sheridan. And I went down to um he was he was putting a movie together, he had a good script, putting a movie together about Philip's life. And uh I walked in. Actually Carl Darren was with me. Um be good friends. Yeah, he came in with me because he kind of got this he got the idea that something special was gonna happen. So long story short, I went in and there was a load of people there, and he that quite frankly didn't have any business there. There was no black guys, they were all just Tim Nizzy fans that fancied themselves for some bizarre reason. Um I think anybody s um serious had maybe can't contacted Jim through their agent. Um and anyway, I went in uh and it did me so and I insisted on not singing, I just didn't want to sing. I I read a a piece of poetry, actually Dublin, which is ironically one of the main features of our show now. Um I stood up and recited the poem Dublin, because it was originally written by Philippus Po. Um and he just raised his hand and said, Listen, listen, is there any chance that you you could sing? I said, Yeah, I'll give it a go. So Brush Shields was in the room. I said, What do you know? And we just did a version of Dancing in the Moonlight, and he just looked at me and looked around at his entourage and he he he kind of started laughing. It was kind of like this a joke. So he immediately sent everybody home, the rest of the guys said, Bring this guy into the next room. And we had a bit of an interview. Actually, uh on camera interview myself, Brush and Jim Sheridan. And I know that that that footage exists because a friend of mine, David Lernan, who was involved with Jim now, kind of in doing crime dramas and stuff like that. I know they did a drama together about Sophie Deplantier's murder. Um he says he's seen that footage sometime to see us. And yeah, um I it was all set, so I got a call then to say, listen, Jim's gonna be in touch, and all the prep. And it nothing ever came to it. So a couple of years later I met his assistant in town and he told me what happened, that Jim had gone to the family and said, Listen, I found the perfect guy to play your father. And they were like delighted, yeah, but we don't want to talk about the drugs, we don't want to talk about women and we don't talk to sex, and apparently Jim was like, Well, what else is that to talk about? Um, and that caused a bit of a risk between them. And so that project uh never happened, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

And to think, you know, things would have been so different. So how did the play come about then?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Well, I I got a call um from my agent in Dublin. I was in Barcelona at the time um with my children, uh, and Courtis who rang me and said, Listen, got a call from a a production company called um Flat Dam. They've got a really interesting script and they want you to to read for Philip. So I was like, I was all thin Lizzie'd out to be honest with it. I was like, listen, I've been there on this road before. I know how difficult it can be with the estate to get anything done because the thin Lizzie estate is not um manned or woman, if you will, by artists. They're just money people, that's all they're interested in. They're not interested in legacy art, anything like that. They're just are interested in the the pounds, euros and dollar signs.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

Sorry, I can hear an ice cream van in the background.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

No worries, I'm gonna run out and get a get a screw box. You know, so so they're they're not interested in uh in anything but you know what makes financial sense, which is fine, that's their prerogative. Um so I kind of was reluctant, but I did it anyway. And again I got the phone calls like this, I'd like to talk to you. And they gave me a piece to read, monologue, and a piece to sing, and within a few days it was done. And I had one caveat for them that I could be involved in the production because I knew that they were UK based and they didn't know the lie of the land in Dublin, whereas I did. So I immediately as uh associate producer of the piece started making phone calls and got um Mark Downing, the great Mark Downing at AMA um AMA uh music agency involved, who in turn got um he got the Vicker Street people, so he got Peter Aiken involved, who of course is one of the most important bookers in the country. And that's how it really happened. We got just built a team and we got it on the stage within six months and sold it out everywhere, and I guess the rest of the street, you know.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

I was talking to James Daly, my last guest, and he grew up in South Armagh, you know, during the the troubles and then rared his children in a different age. But for yourself, and it's still um you know, I'm sick and tired of seeing it, you know, Chidozy, um, Ogbeni, uh Adamida, you know, different guys. Uh you know, we're still on about in this day and age. But for you growing up in Dublin as um a different coloured child, how was it for you?

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Listen, I mean, I was protected. I've said this before, I was very, very protected by Dribbnet, where where I'm from. I never had I had never had any trouble here. It was only when you kind of left here that you might get a few stray looks and stuff. I remember being a child at Crowe Park the first time I was ever there and I was attacked by some guy um because he thought that he somebody had thrown an apple at him from a an abode banister and he just ran up, saw a bunch of kids and decided he was going to single me out. Um that's sort of that's sort of nonsense. Um but never here in Dream where I'm from, I was always very, very I was privileged and protected here. And to a certain extent I I still feel that protection. Um people here are very um protective of their own, um, which is what we are. I mean I would I would say listen racism exists and it will always exist all over the world as long as people are human. Um it's just the way things are. We have to do what we we have to do to try to combat it. But I would say, you know, we we need to start looking at each other as being Irish first. Yeah, and that includes the people that come here to work. Um, but no matter where they're from, and they they adapt they adopt Irish attitudes, they become me Irish. Um so it's not just skin colour, it can be anything. Um Irishness is a is a feeling, it's an attitude, it's about embrace embracing our ways, um, and respecting the ways of others as well. For me, that's that's the Irish way. So, you know, long may long may that spirit continue.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

Yeah, because in the week where Mayo won the sound for the first time in 75 years, and everyone around the world that has any bit of Mayo, my great-great-grandmother set foot in Mayo and all this, and everyone wants to be a part of it. That's what we do as Irish people. It doesn't matter. I love going to different places and hearing someone say, Oh, well, my great-great-grandmother was from Ireland, or I remember over my grand years ago in England this lady was telling me that her um husband who had passed away was from a place in County Longford called Granard. And I said, Pardon me, that's where I'm from. And it's great talking to people because it's something that we have there that everyone wants to be Irish. And you know, we should be so proud of these people that want to come over and the ones that are born on our show or the ones that become part of Ireland, that they want to be Irish.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Absolutely, absolutely. It's it's a feeling and it's something that we we choose to open up to people who want to embrace it. Um and you know, for me that's that's something that we can that other nationalities, other cultures can learn from. That that the fact that we go out of our way to to be inclusive, for the most part, we're not perfect, you know. Um, but we've got some good PR. But we aren't we aren't perfect, and we've we've seen fuller in ourselves. I I do see things, if I'm being honest with you, that social media has become a very divisive channel even in Ireland. I see I sometimes I'm looking at Denise and uh the tricolour uh over different places and it doesn't mean what it used to be. Now it means it means uh uh a defensive stance against uh a voting. Yeah, if if I'm if I'm being honest with you. And it that that sort of nonsense has got to stop. It's just got to stop. It's unacceptable. You know, we cannot I I'm I'm surprised that we've fallen into the trap of blaming um foreign people uh for our shortcomings. You know, I I am surprised. It's almost like there's a playbook. We see it in the United States, and the ignorant masses that most of whom will vote for Trump.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

And the for their first go-to is, you know, foreigners are taking their jobs and they're trying they're after your women, and they're they're the reason why your your social welfare payments are not what they used to be, etc. etc. That's that's comes from the government comes from the right wing who who want to pay less taxes on their millions. Um and in uh and in order to keep those taxes low, they need to keep the people who are on the other end of the equation ignorant. So as why? So as they they have somebody to blame when they're they're the ones being taxed, you know, and this is this is the horr this is the horrific truth why people are kept ignorant. It's just it's disgusting. You know, and I see our c our flag being abused, and you know, I'm not gonna name names, but there are people who are raising their head abo um above the pulpit and saying that they want to be president of Ireland, they want to be this, they want to be that, and some of the things that are coming out of their mouth are disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

And the thing about it is people know better. You know that old saying, let he without sin cast the first stone, and the person that wanted to be president, mother of God above in heaven, it's like the the person in the White House in America, or as you mentioned, our good friend uh Betty Netanyahu, you know, these guys are the most corrupt of all people. You mentioned about acting, and you've acted in films. If I said to you what would be your ideal role, obviously, you know, fill in it, which would be a fantastic role for any young person like you, but what would be your ideal role?

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Uh probably um maybe Othello, I I'm a big Shakespeare person. So I know Othello. I and I have spoken to um I've spoken to a couple of um I spoke to a pr production recently, but I think they were going more down the high school musical version of it, which is not very pleasing. Um but you know, the right I I would have to say a probably a modernised version of Othello that sticks to um Shakespeare's principles in terms of what and who Otello was, if I'm being honest, slightly, slightly older general who should be world-wise but falls into the the you know traditional trap of of human jealousy um and local uh cultural and colloquialism it's that's the whole point and it sometimes I think that's that's sometimes people just want to interpret um great works of Shakespeare for their own ends and it's not work. So probably something like Otello. Um I mean there's there's a lot of there's a lot of great stuff that's already been done out there. Um I'm a I'm a huge fan of the Marvel universe, but I like I like original stories to be honest with you. And working with guys like Jason Figgard, for example, and throws original stories at me all the time, is probably the way I'll go for the next seven decade. Um, you know, before I kind of look at the older stuff. So for me it's yeah, it's just good stories. Good stories, regardless of where they come from in the world.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, but you mentioned Orthello and you know, like pla plays, poetries. I remember when I was in secondary school, I said to my English teacher, you know, they can be subjective. What I think the meaning of a poem might be might be completely different. And unless the poet said this is the meaning or this is the reason, by the way, please don't ever say you want to do a remake of King Lear because I will have um nightmares about my leave and search.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

I think I'll leave later on in my paintings are nonsense.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Wathering heights, Wuthering Heights was brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Um that's a brilliant brilliant point you made, you m you do make because it's funny. It's if you read anyone that's read Bronte and read the original, obviously, it looks like I mean, Heathcliff is a gypsy. He's he at least has dark skin. Uh and because there's lots of dark references. So yeah, I would I wouldn't mind a go with I mean, look at look at the actors who have played Heathcliff, Daniel Day Lewis, yeah, um Ray Fines, um Lawrence Olivier, probably the great actor ever of Drew Brett. So yeah, I wouldn't mind a go with Heathcliff as a black actor. That'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Heathcliff set in Dublin. Wuthering Heights set in the Dublin Mountains. But I tell you it is theory.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

It's good it's good thinking because we've got um we've got the the the cultural socio divide going on now. You know, the gap between the haves and have nots is interestingly wide that it could be set in a modern setting, you know. So yeah, that's that's a good idea to me.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Look what Alan Parker done, he brought Seoul to Dublin with the commitments so we could easily bring Wuthering Heights to I can imagine Kate Bush up in the Dublin Mends and singing um her beautiful her beautiful song Wuthering Heights. You obviously you were talking about giving up the football to pursue the singing and all that. Is that something that when because I know you have to go to school, there's something there. I know that I was very lucky that in the primary school I went to our teacher, the principal just taught that I love singing and I'm in a foot choir and I do another singing as well. I just love singing myself. Is it something you got into in school? Was it singing and acting in school?

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Yeah, I mean it's just something that I could always do.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

I've always been intrigued by things that you know that are a challenge. You know, singing was just something that I I I could do, you know. I mean, first of all, I didn't give up football. Football really gave me up, you know. I just wasn't as I wasn't as good at at that as as as I am at other things. So you've got to be smart. You know, I'd always love the game and I'm proud that so many of my friends have done so well in it. Um but for me, you know, it's it was always music and acting were always something that just like it's just it's like being and breathing, you know, and then just making sure that you're in the right places to do the right shows and that's that's what you call a career. And as I keep saying, there's so many people in this business that have no business in it and they don't know how to behave. And you could you we could have a separate podcast on those those types of people, you know. And the main thing for me is about collaborating with people who do belong in the business, and that's over the last couple of years something I've been privileged that has happened in a proper way, where the first heart of my career I was spent trying to impress people to have no business being in the room even with income, if I'm being honest with you. So that's just how I look at it, you know, better late than never.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

Yeah, I'd say over the years you have met some mercenaries, like you did mention that one person and even Boys Owner come out of Outers and Westlife and everything, that there's a person there who likes to make money and it's all about me, me, me, me, me.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

No, no problem with money. You know, money is what can make the world around. And if you can if you're smart enough to sell a product that that's needed in the UK, but it's the problem I have with Louis Walsh and people like that is the need to not just be successful, but to to to destroy other people along the way. And I've seen him do it. I've seen him say horrible, nasty things to people and about people that were just unnecessary. And for me, I was delighted. I know, like I know Ronaldon reasonably well, and he he's been waiting, obviously, to do that to Louie for a long time. You just don't have to be. There's a misconception in this business at least, and I never understand it, that you have in order to be successful, you have to be a prick. And you really don't. The opposite, in fact, is true. Like, I'm very proud of the fact that I can pick up the phone to 99.9% of the people that I've worked with across my career and still say to them, listen, can we can we do that again? That's the mark of somebody. Why? Because they don't they don't have talent themselves, so they don't understand how talent should behave. So whenever you see people, for example, who are part of an act and then they're not talented ones, chances are they w they want it to be behaving well, and that's the experience of it. I'll give you a prime example. Brian McFadden is one of the nicest people in the music business. Because he's talented. He's gifted in every direction that he goes. So he's secure within that talent. Whereas you get guys like, I don't know, Nicky Born, and he might be a friend of yours, but I don't care. Keen Egan, you know, guys like that who aren't as talented. And sometimes when you meet them, and I've it listen, I can only speak to my own um experience of them. Sometimes you can say walk away saying, that was odd, you know, because I just I just believe that talented people are truly comfortable in their skin. It's just the way it is.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

They don't forget where they're from. At this moment in time, we have a local band as well. One of the lads from Longford, then Sligo and Leitram, Amble. And um I'm so delighted for them because Ross has worked so hard, a bit like yourself, actually. Um we could say Ross McIntyre is a bit like Peter Smith because he played Gaelic football actually for Longford, great, actually fantastic Gaelic footballer, and for his local club Germard, but just that music came in and there was brave giant, and then obviously now Amble. And I'm absolutely delighted because these lads have worked so hard, they're still the same lads that if you sent them a message, they'd be delighted with the support. And you know, it it's an it's great to see people like that. And the thing about it is they're talented as well.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Yeah, I listen, talented people I always say are they're just comfortable in their skin, you know, and they just they don't know they don't they know deep down that they don't have to pretend to be something that they're not, they don't have to get the right hair cut, they don't have to uh pretend that they're not available, they don't have to pretend to be don't have to be rude. It's an insecurity thing. Yes. People people who aren't talented, they what they want more than anything is to be taken seriously. And so they they assume these sometimes horrible behaviours that don't make any sense. And they're uh they're always the for me in my experience, the nicest people I've met in my career are the ones who are the ones who are supremely talented. They're just so easy going, they just come to, you know.

SPEAKER_03 26:32

You mention rude, and you see that, you know, sometimes with footballers, you know, w youngsters waiting for autographs. And I remember reading an article years ago, Steve McMan, a player that myself knew would know well, and he stayed for a while afterwards signing autographs, and people were saying to him, I and he said, Well, when I was a child, that's what I looked for. And about it. And I'm just looking at it and going back again to the uh the whole Mayo thing and and making children because them lads when they were six or seven, they were hoping that Mayo would win in all Ireland, and some of them lads, Andy Moore was probably their um hero and they were delighted to meet them. And I know ourselves we still would get a kick out of meeting some of our heroes. So you you know what you like to be, and then I remember someone said years ago you should never meet your hero, and years ago Long for Town played Liverpool Legends, and I got to interview Aldo, and I was like, he's actually sound. I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, I've I've you know, these people like that. So when you were a little boy running around Dream Now trying to nutmeg Paul McNally, what footballer were you?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Uh John Barnes was my hero as a kid. We had a dog called Digger. Yeah, he was my hero as a kid. So and I got to play against him when I was uh involved in the whole pop started fixed. Um obviously we were in the charts and stuff like that, and we played the in the soccer six tournament at Anfield. I played against him and all though and people like that. So just played an answer again, lovely fella. Yeah, yeah, the lovely pictures of it actually. So I had a lovely picture taken with um with John Barnes play, uh the p the the ph photographer never sent him. I was raised. But um, no, really, really, really good day. And again, lovely fellas, you know, all of those lads, absolute diamonds, yeah, they're really good good guys. But again, on the day I remember like blazing squad and soul solid crew, and they were absolute pricks. Why? Because they were just they were trying to they weren't particularly talented people and they were trying to fit in. You know, my thing was just listen, I'm I'm from where I'm from, you don't behave in a certain way. And you know, I I I just same thing, it did it didn't s surprise me or shock me, but it was just something that I noticed that you know, through the years that people who aren't comfortable skin and it doesn't make them bad people. They're just what they're doing is they're creating a construct of how they think that somebody who has talent or is a star should behave. That's what they think. And unfortunately it's could nothing could be for them.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

You mentioned about where you're from, and that does ground you because I'm sure if you were this big head, everyone would go, oh here, look at you know the quickly bring it back down to us. Whereas here in Granar is the same. If someone in Granar tried to be bigger than they were, you'd be fairly close.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

If I walked into Yellow Nord with notions, as the kids are saying now, I'd be bounced quite mighty, told to leave and come back when we had a screwed on strike. It's not tolerated in Dreamland and Crumlin to behave like that. You you are who you are. I was a lounge boy scrubbing floors at the toilets in the Elinora and the bent league when I was a teenager. And people will not and should not let you forget that. This is where you're from. These are the people that know you. Anybody would I've just as you've probably guessed already to meet have no time for people's outs, doesn't know.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Oh, I'd be the same. I'd be I would I would call them big head of pricks, so there um you mentioned Crumbling as well, and a guy that kind of has taken the limelight a bit away from you in recent weeks, Pico Lopez. I know as a Longbur Town supporter, if we're playing Rovers, I'd be ho and I still won't forgive him that he wasn't sent off a couple of years ago when we played them. But as a rival, uh if we're playing rovers, don't like Pico, but it was great, and you know he was so proud, and someone handed him the tricolour over there, and people were like kind of giving out. But he is proud because obviously he can't play for Ireland, but he was representing Ireland as well as representing Cape Verde.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

Yeah, 100%. Let me tell you, I've I've been fortunate enough to meet Pico. Obviously, Carol introduced us, um, and my girlfriend is a massive Sherman Groves um supporter. God love you. I I met I met you know, I met I met Pico and his missus and I just and a baby, and they're just they're just love. So just what you see is what you get, you know, and and people need to really get behind him and support everything that he's on. He's been, you know, he really has I know he's been over there flying the flag for Kate Birdie, but he's really flying the flag for all of us. He's shown he's shown the young Irish people that whatever it takes, you can if you put your head down and do the work, you can achieve anything. He's just a he's a credit to where we're from.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

Like it was great to see where you know Crumlin and the people of Crumlin, as you said, that area, Dreamra, Crumlin, Clay and Hansard with Ballymoon, those areas, those working class areas, by gosh, when we have one of our own, you know, even Granite, we would be the same down here in Granard, um Eddie Mackin. We were so proud to say Eddie Macken is from Granage. You know, we're so proud of one of our own doing well, and I thought the people of Crumlin were absolutely brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Oh yeah, I mean, listen, we we are dreaming of Cumlin, Dublin 12, Dublin 8 as well, including Chicago, yeah. You know, Portobello and all that. We were very, very proud of who we are and of each other. And you know, God knows, as I always say, the Sunday World are quick enough to write about the negative elements that can arise um for one reason or another. But they're you know, they need to they need to be as quick to praise the lads that have worked and the ladies that have worked very, very hard to represent these areas with such pride and distinction, you know.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

So would you be a Pats fan then?

SPEAKER_01 31:49

I am I'd be a Pats man, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Big time.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

I'm actually I'm actually a Pats fan as well at the moment, so even though at the moment my cousin plays for them. Ryan, Ryan, yeah, Ryan Edmondson, though. He's in a bit on a dry spell at the moment, so please God, he's back into but uh yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Oh big strong, big strong send it forward. Yeah, we want him now for Granage.

SPEAKER_03 32:13

See, we want him now in Granage, you know, throw him in full forward for the championship. Absolutely brilliant. But um I know he's loving it, like he's over here, he's gonna be a daddy as well, so I cannot wait to buy a little Wicklow kit for the baby because uh that's where uh my nan is from. But uh he just and his dad, you know, I'm just talking to them regularly um and the tuning to all the games and everything, but um he just loves it. And but I was like, that's Ireland. He was in Australia, obviously loved the life, and then when he came to Ireland it was rained every day, as he said. And but like he said, he couldn't ask for better people, and even the Pat supporters um are so good to him. But look at that's what we do, you know. We are a land of a thousand welcomes, so we do, even though he's English now and he's but he's loving the wolf tones and all that, so uh and I'm and I'm loving that jersey. I'm actually yeah it's it's quality, you know.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

I love the black one.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

The black one for me is the one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Yeah, but isn't it so funny, you know, that you know, Pat's see, you all thought you're great. You think you're great. Pat's with wolf tones, bows with Fontaine's Oasis, Longford ladies years ago, we at Declan Nurney.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Oh, that's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

That's what started it, Peter. That's what started. That's right. So you've got one up on Macker, then you have played at Anfield.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Ah, well, look at uh the only difference is if if if if Paul had if things had gone different, he'd have been a regular there. But he really was that good. He was out I've never seen anybody with the focus, with that type of focus.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

The penalties as well, though he we talk about Longford Town and and the penalty shootout to s to keep us up in 2002, and but he had told me that he was leaving to go to bowers, and I was like, How am I ever gonna forgive him? But um we did for we did we did forgive him, but look, it was a great opportunity for him. So how do you relax or do you relax?

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Um I tend to I I tend to just like meeting up meeting up with friends when I can. Having ten points of meeting quite a bit. Yeah, exactly. W when when the occasion calls. Um, you know, I I I I like going to the gym as well. Um but no, because I I'm working hard on all aspects of what I do. So if I'm not in the studio with Larry Hogan, you know, putting new music together, if I'm not um doing reads for for new series or new new new bits and pieces on the dramatic side of things, I tend to keep myself busy as well. Um you know, just keeping up with my friends now that I'm here because I've I've been away, I was away for so long before I got back to Ireland last year. You know, I I still I'm still playing catch up with everything that's going on.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

How are you finding it? Because you're in Spain and you were kind of coming over a Mac and Spain was your home, but now you are home home.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Yeah, I'm I'm fine. I'm being honest, I think we're being we're being ripped off by a government that doesn't care about us. Um the cost of living in this country is it is disgusting. It's disgusting. Um and we're you're we're being chewed up by a successful a succession of governments that are the most self-serving individuals, as I was saying. Um you know, and the fact that we've got a homeless crisis still when you know there's there's there's property being built all over the country. You can't swing at a baseball bat or a horse without seeing a development, it's disgusting. The country's in trouble. And nobody, nobody is standing up. People are just pointing fingers at each other saying it's their fault. These fellas are coming in aren't it's nobody's fault but the government. It's an absolute shit show.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

But you look at you look at those buildings, uh, the ones that are making money, Peter, are the ones, the property developers, the guys that are building, you know, they don't.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

It's always been it's always been watching it for the minister. Yeah. You know, for a long, long time. And before Charles Hoggie ever took office, but that the rotten of the days, and then you had your man a hairn um, you know, talking about not having bank accounts and stuff like that. It's just I mean, I see I've seen a podcast, uh, Nikki Bourne having Bertie Hearn on a podcast and talking to him about football and stuff. I mean, there's an opportunity to hold somebody to account. This is this country. Honestly, it's just about nepotism and pretending that the reality is completely different. People say that we're wealthy in this country, we're not. We're only as wealthy as our poorest citizens, and I've seen too many people sitting outside shops where there's expensive goods in it with with empty cups, looking just looking. I'm nice people just looking to try to survive. Meanwhile, people are having guests like Bertie Hern on a podcast who've never had bank accounts. Give me a break.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Yeah, like I'm a freelancer and I fill out my tax returns every year, and I'm there kind of making sure that I've everything right because I would be in trouble. But you mentioned nepotism, and I know myself, I all I've ever wanted to do was go into sports, commentary, sports, broadcasting. I went to college, worked so hard, but it is extremely hard when you're qualified and you have people who have full-time jobs in other areas because their friends are friends and getting in here and getting in. Yeah, so I I know exactly what what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

And nobody calls it out, Denise, to be honest. It's not right. Um uh somebody that has worked his way inch by inch to where I am and I'm this I'm not top of the world. I've seen it, you see it too many too many times, just too many times, and then and then looking the other way and pretending like we're living in a reality. It's just it's horri I love my country, but it's horrifically corrupt.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Yeah, but you're allowed to say that. You're allowed to love your country, but also say, Do you know what this is what's wrong with it, and and this is what has to happen, but unfortunately you won't. You're on about different projects and that. Are you going to kind of keep into the play thing? Do you want to do more film? Obviously, your voice, and I will say it. Normally I tell someone if their voice is brutal, but you've got a fantastic voice as well, uh, singing voice as well. So, what is the plan for Peter Smith?

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Well, I over the next year I'll just keep playing away, I'll keep doing the shows and as long as they'll have me, and I'll keep auditioning for films, and then I'll keep turning up on film set as long as they'll have me. And I've got good management on the music side of things, so we'll keep throwing out more material and I'll keep um we'll keep trying to I think we'll do we'll announce some shows now probably uh innocent September, October, November, toward the end of 26 and the and the and August 27. I'll go to Sweden as well and gonna go and work with um with uh do a a guy that does a Gary Moore show. His name is um Key uh Marcello, he's he was the lead guitarist from that famous rock band Europe, you know, the final council. So I'm doing 14 or 15 dates across Sweden with him between October, um, next February, March, and April, and then I'll be back and forth back in between the UK and Ireland and probably Germany and the United States. So it should be busy, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

See, I want to see when you're going to announce a big gig in Richmond Park.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

I'd love that. Wouldn't it be great?

SPEAKER_03 38:38

Isn't it amazing, you know, no matter what, that's the kind of things if you've got a uh gig locally and that that to you is it's like um people around town would say something about me, and I'm like, oh my god, you know, you want to be accepted in other places, but when your area accepts you and they want you, it kind of makes you so proud, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Uh there's no place like home, Denise. Yeah, and there's no people like you know, don't care what anybody says.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

So uh Richard Parky Rich Richman Park could be so we're talking about we're talking about football. Are you looking forward to the new season? I've seen uh Maxi McAllister has got a hair transplant, so that would be good when he was going to head a ball.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Especially you must remember, the fellas on the television every other day.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

So he probably doesn't like looking at himself going bald, I get it. Um and listen, as soon as his his his tran his plugs take, he'll probably be heading scored and head of the left right and centre. He's a good player, just he needs to improve on his getting around the park.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

He's a little bit slow, but technically he's good and he's a I think this year he kind of saved himself as well for the World Cup. So now that the World Cup is over, but in all fairness, there still has to be. I was just listening to Robbie uh Fowler the other day on I watched a good bit of CNN when my mother would have it on, and Robbie Fowler was saying that there are still certain areas that Liverpool do need to, and even last season we said it about you know a good holding midfielder um defence definitely as well. So there are areas that um need to improve.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

We need width, we need width high up the park as well. That'd be two good winners. We need as you say, we need a good holding midfielder. Groundberg, you know, we've been relying on him for two years. He's not a specialist in that area, even though he's done really well. And we need another centre half, if not two.

SPEAKER_03 40:19

Definitely. You know, um in all fairness, say what you want, you know, people kind of saying oh good you know, good luck to him that. But um Mo, in all fairness, it's gonna be very hard to replace someone like him. I was just thinking there, if it was ever for a film, we could have Mo and you could play Mo, or were you talking to uh Digger Barnes and saying, you know, you could play him in a in a film.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

I don't know, I don't know. I think if if I'm being honest with you, we'll leave leave that to younger men. It would look sweet trying to run a dog.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

If I said to you, right, obviously we said Otello, but if I said to you, do you know what you can play anybody, uh past or present, you know, or even at this moment in time, I know you're you're still kind of a young face, so you can play still on the little bit younger than you as well. Who would you like to do that?

SPEAKER_01 41:00

I think it's very hard. I think football is very hard to to commit to film. I've seen a good friend of mine does it, Andy Anza. He was the executive producer on Dream Team many years ago. So he does all of the ads that you see of Cristiano Ronaldo for Nike and different that's all Andy's work and goal. He was the head chief football consultant on the two, three, I think, goal movies. It's very, very hard. Andy's the only one I've ever seen to get it right. Difficult. Um football is difficult to get right. And even that great, the great movie, The Damned United. Um it was it was more that that was driven by events off the park. Yes. That that football is very, very, very for some reason it's difficult to film, it's difficult to to really recreate. It just doesn't seem to work.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Even Saipan, and it was meant to be around us, it never really got off.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

No, no. I mean it's a bit it's it's AN did a good job, I have to say, but I I thought, if I'm being honest with you, Steve Coogan it to have AM, who is six foot three in real life, and Steve Coogan, who's what, five'nine, standing beside each other, and you could actually see that that was the height differential. They should have had Steve Coogan, you know, on on a higher platform. Make too is over, right. It didn't make sense.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Before that, Aina had a big role down here. Um I don't know if you saw Lakeland's.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

I didn't. I didn't. I must I must check it out.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

It was actually written by two um local lads. One of them would be a gr um grandson of Pat the Baker, the bread, but um on about concussion in Gaelic football and how it can affect the young lad. It's actually a very, very good film. Anna's in it and uh girl Danielle, oh gosh, I can't remember her second name, in it as well. And it was actually filmed around the area as well. So we were delighted to see the local Granard um tops in there. But Anna done a fantastic job in it, and then Dabit Finn.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

He's very, very good. I just thought from being what was around him, it was a bit lazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Some of the lads they threw in was a bit lazy, because I know like Stephen Reed was a good pal of mine, and he said he walked out after 20 minutes, we went to the finale. Just it was the lads be cringing looking at it. Um, you know, the fellow that was supposed to be playing Jason McIntyre. I mean, it's it's a it's a nobody's that stupid. It's it's a bit cartoonish. I just I I just thought if it had been, and I know that um uh Steve Kogan is a is a was the producer on it, I just thought, first of all, Mick Mc whoever's saying McCarthy has the tower of all right, it just didn't make sense to me. It became a bit of a cartoon to be honest. Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Well we mentioned what footballer, but then if there's a person, then if you could I would probably you know go go all the way back into history and maybe if anyone wanted to make a film about Hannibal the Conqueror, who was a black man, you know, the the one who rode around on an elephant, maybe something like that, you know, something along the elephant out of Dublin Zoo. Yeah, we bring the elephant.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

I can imagine you now walking down um O'Connor Street on this elephant trying to, you know, uh publicize the but now I love history, I love a lot of like Irish history and and going back, and that's the way I love talking to people about.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Yeah, I I love I'm ups I'm obsessed by history. I'm obsessed with history is what shapes the world, what shapes us. Well his story, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I'm exactly I'm I'm obsessed with with those types of stories. You know, is a gift, you know, and I think it will always fascinate people.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Theatre, what's the best place you've played, performed?

SPEAKER_01 44:33

Where is the best place you've played at the Probably the Hammersmith Apollo, the best place of headlined. When we we sold out Hammersmith Apollo, which is a legendary place, three and a half thousand people back in March. Um that was probably the most. I actually had to walk around Hammersmith that day um just to take it all in because I I played this and I played years ago, I played at Hamden Park, but I wasn't headlining it. I was parked way down the bill, you know, supporting the likes of blue and less likely Hampson Picks. But the best that's probably that's the best um venue I've played with my name over the door, to be honest with you. Um three and a half thousand people at the Hammersmith Apollo.

SPEAKER_03 45:10

Fifty years to the day after Times, which was Oh my gosh, that would have been brilliant. Yeah, it's there's something there's something about smaller venues, like I'd be a big Travis fan, and when I saw them the in the Olympia, there was something lovely about it there when John Bishop was playing Vickers Street, those little areas, they're kind of intimate, aren't they, really?

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Yeah, I mean I love I I love Vicker Street. Vicker Street's my favourite venue. If you told me, and this is no secret, I've said it to Bran Barry, I've said it to Peter Aiken. If you told me that I had to play Vicker Street every month for the rest of my career, I'd I'd I'd take it, I'd say that's a deal. It's a first of all, everyone that works there, the security guy, it's lovely. Burnberry is a gentleman, Peter Aiken is just a lovely man, and all of the staff down there, they're just good people. You know, the lads on the door, Big D, all the lads, you know. For me, it's just yeah, that's that's what the business is about. And it's five minutes from my mum's house, so happy there.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

Look at you know, no matter what, lads, it doesn't matter what age you are, and even now I notice it with my brother, Dad, I want this. Nina, he calls me Nina, um, you know, give me but if he wants advice, it's is mommy there. It's always, you know, you'll always be a mammy. How are your children back in Ireland with you?

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Um no, the the kids are in Spain, um, obviously with with their man. Um I I've got uh yeah, I've got my daughter's here as well, and you know, I've got a son in Norway, so and he's a he's grown up. So yeah, the the kids are all all the way doing the thing, enjoying them enjoying the holidays while I while I keep my head down.

SPEAKER_03 46:36

While Daddy pretends while Daddy pretends he's working, but he's gone out with Paul McNally. I know exactly what we call it. I know exactly. So if I said to Peter Smith, you know, for any young boy or girl starting off will obviously stay away from and I I think I wouldn't advise any youngster to do any of those TV shows and that because sometimes they're just even you look at Big Brother and um Love Island and that, my God, with social media now they absolutely crucify you. But if a young boy or girl come up to you and said they want to either go into acting or singing, what advice would you give them?

SPEAKER_01 47:10

I would say just do the work, do the training. Too many kids now, people are looking for instant success.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

You know, they want to go on to sing a song badly and become um important and influencers and all that. Stay away from all that now. Do the work, do the work. Sit in your room, practice, practice, practice, practice. There's a reason they say ten thousand hours because that's what it takes. Do the work and then you can go online, do whatever you like. You know, people, you know, there's very successful people online, but make sure uh the one thing I don't understand for kids or guys going on and and young ladies going online is singing a song that you can't sing better than another person. Like, there's no point in going on and trying to out EDL again, it's not gonna happen. Pick a song that someone that was a great song or for example, not necessarily a great singer, like Bob Dylan, and sing the hell out of it, and people might start to notice. You know, don't try to do something that people go, yeah, that's nice, but I can just look at the real the original artist to be much better.

SPEAKER_03 48:02

But big do a different spin on it. I've noticed too many people are trying to sound like your your Dolly Partons or as he said, your Edels, or different things maybe Rolling Keys.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

I mean, you're showcasing yourself, and it's the same with acting. You know, I you know, you see a lot of people talk about the craft and this, I would say. And it's more I'd say to people, don't don't post your your um your self-tapes, first of all, it's a big no-no, but make sure you're you know get involved in in amateur dramatic groups and and and and do take on scenes that you wouldn't necessarily you know, there's no point in being, I don't know, five foot, say six foot five, for example, argument sake. No point and then trying to do something like Dustin Hoff. Now, do something that you think that a casting director will go, yeah, I actually would like to see him in the remake of that. You know, it's like it's like all these kids, it's the same in the business world, everybody wants to be the wolf of Wall Street. I don't know why. When what's his name, Jordan Bradford, whatever his name is, is a convicted felon. He's not a successful businessman. He was a fraudster and went to prison for 20 years. So, you know, try on a suit that might that fits you, you know, not that somebody else wore well. That's the piece of advice I'd give to anybody trying to try to.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

I meant to actually ask you, hero or uh heroine, or uh as the dud in, because I was thinking of the commitments, uh, you know that it they sign for heroine and they had heroine instead. Um so had you a hero, heroine growing up?

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Uh probably Daniel Washington.

SPEAKER_03 49:28

Fantastic actor.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

Yeah, yeah. You could just you know following.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Yeah, can do anything, you know, it can do anything. It's and seems to be a man who's who's gathered as well. You know, no shit. I know there's an awful lot of people go on online and attribute um quotes to people that they didn't even say, but when you actually do see people like that speak, you tend to listen to that.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

He kind of reminds me um in a a lot of ways, um, Martin Luther King.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

He has that presence about him that no matter what role he may you want to listen to him as an actor.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Yeah, absolutely. You feel like you're being spoken to, not spoken, you know?

SPEAKER_03 50:08

Yeah, you know, that's what I I don't know about how other people when they watch a film or a programme, but I kind of want to that person to kind of I want to have a kind of a relationship with that person, I want to feel what they're they're saying or doing. And that's exactly as you said, you know, I'm just picturing Denzel Washington here now and just yes, that's a great so please God in in years to come, you know, youngsters will be putting down that they were inspired by by yourself.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

Oh by anyone, as long as long as it's not someone from AI, to be honest. And as long as be inspired by the work, you know. I think too many people deify and original work as well.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

You know, I I I that's a bit like myself. I always say, you know, I am well, I hope to God there's no one else like me, but I always say I am an original, I don't want to be. And that's when I when I started up the podcast, I was like, Do you know what? I like a chat. I I don't like doing interviews. When I interview players, I always say it's a chat because I hate, you know, asking these. I prefer to have a chat and get get them to be relaxed and get to know me and things like that. And that's why I deal with this podcast. It's a mix of everything and anything. We could talk about the weather, we could talk about obviously sport comes into it as well. And that's what I like doing, you know. I am an original.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Yeah, you should be. It should be. So people should, you know, aspire to the work, not to people. We we deify too many individuals now and it's doesn't make sense because people, myself included, would always disappoint you. You know, you've got to aspire to the work, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

Well, listen, thank you so much. I think we've covered so much, but that's the type of person you are that I could have a chat about about everything and anything. Mind Paul McNally when you're out with him next. Um I'd say Owen is Owen is very into his running now, so Owen is minding himself.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Whereas Oh, yeah, he's heavy. Yes, Marathon, Mr. Marathon man.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

Do you know what we'll have to do is please God sometime is catch up because I've never met yourself, but um I remember years ago hearing about you and then obviously seeing you on television and that, and then we became Facebook friends, which is uh like you know, when someone becomes a friend with you on Facebook, you just get all excited or follows you on Twitter or becomes follows you on Instagram, you know, you you have made it. So we'll have to myself, yourself, Macker, and Owen. I don't drink, so I'll mind you.

SPEAKER_02 52:22

That's the deal.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

You take care and thank you so so much for this. And everything you do.