Dialed Podcast 360 - Race Day Chaos, SRAM Surprises & Salty Banter

We recap the Michael Myers Memorial Time Trial, dive into SRAM’s latest transmission tech, debate Garmin’s new AI subscription, discuss Milan-San Remo and serve up enough salty banter that will rust your cassette. We also answer a bunch of great listener questions, so have a listen and enjoy this week's podcast!

Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
Welcome to the Fit, Healthy and Happy Podcast hosted by Josh and Kyle from Colossus...

Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify

Chapters

• 1:12 Intro
• 2:00 Backpedal
• 13:34 Leadout News
• 15:28 [Ad] Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
• 16:08 (Cont.) Leadout News
• 20:59 EPO Chain Mail
• 39:59 New from SRAM
• 48:26 New from Garmin
• 1:01:03 Cycling "Common Knowledge" than might need to be done away with
• 1:05:52 One Last Thing

Transcript

Intro: [00:00:00] Shut up and sit down.

Intro: Remain seated, please. You know what I like new bike. Of course. There's some other things I'd like to have, but I should like a brand new bike. What's up guys? I'm Matt Lagrande. I'm a singer songwriter. I'm a rock climber. I'm a Lord of the Rings fanatic, and I'm a YouTube superstar. 

A new analysis published in the British Medical Journal finds that men are idiots.

Yep, we are idiots. 

Intro Lady: You may or may not be listening to The Dialed Podcast with Matt LeGrand. Sir, Ian Gibson, Lance Heppler, and Jake von Duering. If you like the show, enjoy it. If not, I think you actually listen to the move with some other guy named Lance, like of course, some like brand. 

Matt Legrand: My name is Matt LaGrand and on this channel we are always talking about biking. Biking and biking. Alright, welcome. 

Jake: Welcome back to the Dialed Podcast. I'm Jake von Duering and I’m here with Lance Freakin’ Heppler. 

Lance: It's freaking Heppler. Back in studio. Back in studio. 

Jake: What was that dude? Jake: Just 

Lance: I dunno what background back here for your listening Pleasure. whatever comes to my mind is what like comes out in the moment and that was a swing and a miss. 

Jake: All right. To his right, Sir Gibson. 

Ian: Hey, hope. Hello. How do you do? 

Jake: What was that? Oh, okay. Hey, hope that 

Lance: was Hey. Hope. Ha. Hope. 

Jake: What does that mean? Means? 

Lance: Hello? 

Jake: Translate. 

Matt Legrand: Translate that, please. Google. Google translate.

Lance: Salty nuts. 

Jake: Okay. Last but not least one and only Matt Legrand

Matt Legrand:. What's up ladies and gentlemen of the internet? You guys look f freaking. Fantastic. Fantastic. There. It's woo. [00:02:00] You heard it here first. 

Jake: Awesome. All right, let's do some back filling. Matt, you wanna kick us off? 

Matt Legrand: Yes, uh, I'm still. You know, good days, bad days.

Matt Legrand: I'm still out there biking in the garage an hour a day. I have no, I have no earthly idea what number we're on. You're 

Lance: like on 86? No one's 83 or something like that. You know what's funny 

Matt Legrand: is we're gonna get past a hundred and I'll just keep going. If no one says anything, like nobody's, three months from now, I'm gonna be like, Whit, I'm on.

Matt Legrand: I'm still on the dialed 100. Guys. 

Lance: You'd have to pay attention to the Slack channel to actually, uh, I have know when it starts and 

Matt Legrand: finishes. Slack for me is like, work. That's Slack. I don't want any other stuff in Slack. Not play with my friends stuff. Oh, maybe, maybe Slack could be turned into something cool.

Matt Legrand: Something fun. Dial talk could be great. Today will 

Jake: be day 86. Matt. 86. 

Matt Legrand: Yep. That was right. I'm pretty close. Mm-hmm. I'm getting there. Good job. Yep. We're And so, yeah, that is great. I haven't been biking outside that much because the weather hasn't been that good. Shut up. No, wait. We did have some decent weather.

Matt Legrand: We've had a couple of decent days. It 

Jake: was like [00:03:00] 77 

Matt Legrand: degrees two days, 75. It was 82 

Jake: yesterday, 

Matt Legrand: 82 at the airport. It was 82. It 

Jake: was a little muggy though, wasn't 

Matt Legrand: it? Yeah, yeah. I, I went out, I, I went out running guys. I know this is a, and this is a, this is a triathlon, this is a triathlon podcast. Fast fire.

Matt Legrand: That's 

Ian: a waste of a good day that 

Matt Legrand: I went out, running, running. You can 

Ian: run in any weather. I went 

Matt Legrand: out running and then I sat in the garage and biked. So it was, it was super hot on the run right in the middle of the day and I was, I was drenched in sweat afterwards. Perfect. It was great. Um, have not been swimming that much over the past week or two.

Matt Legrand: I need, I need to get in the water tomorrow or else I'm gonna forget how to swim and then I'll drown. You'll be one less podcast host. Without me. So gotta keep in the, gotta stay in the water. Michael Phelps told me that. Okay. 

Lance: Um, you, you your best bud. Me and him were tight. We're like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lance: Uh, he, he was speaking to our group and he said that if you miss a day of swimming, you, you have to start back where you were the day before. So he, he just, he didn't miss a day of swimming for like five and a half [00:04:00] years. 

Matt Legrand: Oh my gosh. You need to tell my son Ethan this, because he's like, dad, I'm supposed to take like three days off.

Matt Legrand: And I'm like, you know, you need to touch the water. 

Lance: You just miss the feel for the water. Yeah. And it takes, if you miss like a day, it takes a whole nother hour to get back to where you were for. Anyway, I'll shut up now. 

Jake: That is ridiculous. 

Lance: Yeah. Phelps didn't miss 

Jake: a day for five and a half years. Maybe it was 

Lance: like 12 years.

Lance: 'cause what was his Olympic, oh man. I mean he went to like four Olympics. Like literally 

Jake: didn't miss a single day of swimming or, that is correct. Didn't miss a single workout. No, a day of swimming 

Lance: literally was in the water every, every single day. That was one of the reasons that made him so good. I just throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Lance: Yeah. Unbelievable. 

Matt Legrand: That is crazy. All right. I, I don't know if I a hundred percent believe that, but Phelps, if you wanna come on the podcast and defend your honor. Yeah, he's a freaking. Please do so. He's a liar. Just a liar. Don't come, don't go lying to me. Phelps, what about you Gibo? What you 

Jake: been up to? 

Ian: Um, yeah, back to cycling.

Ian: Um, thank you. I [00:05:00] feel like, uh, Lance and I basically have the same, um, backpedal. Backpedal. We do have the 

Lance: same backpedal. Let's 

Ian: start with Sunday. So Michael mys memorial time trial. Yep. Correct. We pulled it off. Yeah. Uh, turned out okay. I think. Yeah. I mean, numbers were not great. 

Lance: They weren't too far off of what we had last year.

Lance: 1 30, 1 40, something like that. 

Ian: Yeah. About the same as the year before. Yep. So think the fact, fact that the weather wast supposed to be great. Yeah. Weather. I kind of think people are just losing interest in that kind of thing. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, anyway, operationally it went well and um. I feel relieved that it's all over and I can stop thinking about it.

Jake: Yeah. 

Ian: And I did manage to race, so Good. Good for you. 

Jake: Yeah, I have some thoughts on that and you and I are gonna have a little debrief. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll, we'll share some notes. Sure. Sounds good. Talked to a few folks and had some ideas, so, yeah. You know. Cool. 

Ian: That went well. Uh, I was, 

Jake: went well. I was quite happy 

Lance: with, he won his age group, so [00:06:00] let everybody shut up and listen to the master here.

Lance: He did win. Yeah. Well, and he beat me by a full minute, so sought off. 

Ian: My power numbers were a little bit down, um, but they were consistent, like my normalized and average power pretty much identical, which I think was a consistent effort, which I was pleased with. Conditions weren't super fast and I was slower than I've done in previous years, but it felt okay.

Ian: Yeah. I mean, it hurt, it sucked, but it's, it's over now and um, it was just a good day. I. Like the vibe out there. It was really cool that all, all of our teammates kind of rallied together. It's something that we did and people stepped up for. Uh, so huge thank you to all the volunteers from Dial cycling team.

Ian: Um, John Hatfield was amazing. Picked up the truck, stayed to set up, tear it down, take the truck back, [00:07:00] put gas in the truck. Lance's freaking hair flow was out there two days in a row before the race started in the cleaning up the course in the rain with the kind of spray paint. 

Jake: Did you send a bill to the city of Vancouver for that?

Jake: Should because they built us for enough stumps. So what favor? One 

Lance: of the, of the locals came out while I was like, blowing off one of the corners. He's like, are you just doing this for fun? I'm like, no, actually there's a race today. He was like, oh, okay. 

Ian: Yeah. So, um, yeah, no, it the, um. The contribution of everybody was, was much appreciated.

Ian: I think we, everyone did a fantastic job, so thanks to everybody. Cool. Yeah. Sweet. Uh, that's pretty much all I got that Lance and I went out two days ago for a really cool ride. It, like you said, it was, uh, 77 degrees. It was sunny, it was warm. We went out to Sal, the island. We went into the West Hills. Good times.

Lance: It was good times. 

Ian: Yeah. 

Jake: Was that the troll hunting 

Lance: ride? Troll The t hunting the troll hunters. It was the troll. It was the troll hunting ride. Yeah. We, we, we follow you. Yeah. [00:08:00] Ian didn't even know what I was doing actually. I didn't know what I was doing either, but that's what happened. 

Jake: Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it was fun.

Lance: Uh, yeah, I did the, uh, Michael Myers Memorial Time trial. I was, uh, running around and um, cleaning things up and setting things up within like. Uh, like 30 minutes of my race start time. I did not get a very good warmup. I'm, I'm trying to build the excuses here as to why I suck so bad. I think the reason I suck so bad is because, well, time drawing sucks.

Lance: Maybe. See, I'm the problem, Ian. Maybe that's why the numbers are down because I'm the problem. 

Ian: I love the way it meant so much to Chris Hitchcock that you, that you didn't do as well as you hoped he might. Chris, he came over and gave you poo poo. 

Lance: Yeah, well that's, but that's Hitchcock me, me and Chris Hitchcock, we have a complete love relationship where he just absolutely tears me a new one every time I see him.

Lance: And then we laugh at each other and walk away like [00:09:00] friends. Anyway, um, uh, yeah, I did not race very well, but I actually did it and so I'm happy that I did. And, uh, it was, that was all good. I'm glad, uh, we got through that. Um, I'm actually starting to feel better. My, my back is not really a hundred percent there yet or whatnot, but it's time for me just to roll with the program, just to keep rolling and just, uh, see how it goes here.

Lance: So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's all been great. Uh, I, I've ridden every day this week again, uh, Monday I actually got to preview a couple of the brand new SW products, uh, mountain bike products. Ooh. That, uh, just dropped today. Yeah, that just dropped today. So they were just, uh, today was the embargo date. They were just released today.

Lance: And so, we'll, we'll talk about that in a minute. But there was, I got to go learn about the products and then actually ride the products on Rocky Point Trails in Portland, uh, with, you know, a bunch of local shop owners and like the local SW reps. I think I did see something like, 

Matt Legrand: oh, I, I rode with this Ram crew or 

Lance: [00:10:00] something.

Lance: Yes. And I was like, oh, cool. So that's what it was. It was a, it was a preview ride. It was pretty cool. I met some really cool people on that ride. Nice. Yes. Yeah. Um, other than that, I did this awesome ride with Ian. Um, we actually went out to SAS Island and we did our two man breakaway practice. We literally like drilled it for the entire 30 minute loop around Sabes Island, just trading off poles, just seeing how fast the two of us could go.

Lance: This is just 

Matt Legrand: the two of you. This was not this shootout. Shoot the SA Shootout. Okay. That is happening because that would be a pretty 

Lance: fun thing to try. Yeah. The Sabi Shootout is still happening. It, it happens on Sunday morning. Yes. Uh, I think it starts at 9:00 AM on Sunday mornings and it still has been happening.

Lance: I look to see if people were doing it and there are people actually doing it. Oh, yeah. Yep. So it still has been happening. So it's super 

Ian: interesting. We, between the two of us, we've managed to hold 23 miles an hour. I think something, it was 23.5 something, like 300 watts the whole way round. But when I compare that to riding with the group with like 60, 70 guys, [00:11:00] oh, I was still, we were still five minutes slower.

Ian: Five minutes slower lap with Yeah, 

Lance: me and Ian trying to go as fast as we can. The two of us for the whole 30 minutes compared to a group of 50. Yeah, yeah. With an easier power, lower power. We get it in 

Ian: 31 minutes. Um, my best time around there was like 26 something. Yeah. And that's with the big hitters and so we should we shoot out pretty 

Lance: crazy.

Ian: Yeah. 

Lance: Anyway, weather was perfect. Weather was great again, yesterday afternoon and I did another couple hour ride, uh, going along some bike pass and doing some efforts. So, um, my legs are starting to come around a little bit after having this two week down, so. Look 

Matt Legrand: out. Look out people. I'm just glad I, the back is the thing that worries, worries me.

Matt Legrand: Yeah. And I'm glad that's even better. It does not worse. And I'm glad that it didn't. Like chain reaction into the bad stuff that you've had in the past. Correct. Because that was, that definitely could have happened. That's, that's real bad stuff. 

Lance: And the freaking muscle relaxers that the doctor gave me, man, did you poop your pants?

Lance: No, it made me [00:12:00] like, have to pee like every 30 minutes. Ooh. Like, welcome to Jake and I's World welcome to 

Ian: my world. 

Lance: It was, it was like, what's happening? I gotta pee right now. It's a diuretic. I'm so, something's wrong. What's going, anyway, sorry. 

Jake: Uh, for the record, I don't have that problem anymore. Yeah. Jake got his fixed Jake 3.0 now baby 

Lance: plumbing corrected.

Lance: Oh, yay. 

Jake: I can send you, uh, the name of a good doc if you'd like. I'm, I'm, yes, I'm there. Sweet. Jake. Oh, you want to talk to me? Yes. You wanna know what I did? What did you do? Oh, geez. When was the last time this podcast last came out? What was it? Wednesday the 19th, right. So on Thursday I wrote on Zift. On Friday I wrote on Zift, Saturday and Sunday I wrote on Zift.

Jake: And then, um, let's see here. Oh, this week I did Zift on Monday. No, I didn't do Monday. I took Monday off a Tuesday. Tuesday night, gravel ride comes back, makes it triathlon return. I wrote on Wif. Yesterday's, I wrote on Zift again. Yay. So do you, 

Ian: do you even remember how to ride around corners and stuff? No, I don't.

Lance: No. I [00:13:00] think, uh, you need to get a working. 

Jake: I had all intentions, all all intentions of going out and doing Tuesday night gravel ride. I went to the lab and part of that day was gonna be me working on my gravel bike. Get your gravel bike ready. Ask me if I even had 30 seconds to do that. Nothing. That did not happen.

Jake: Oh geez. So it rolls around and it's like, I've gotta get outta there. It's like five o'clock and I'm like, I didn't touch my gravel bike today. And I don't get to do that ride. And I don't know. Had too many other things going on. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, are you 

Outro: tired of telling your friend Jake to shut up here?

Outro: Shut up Jake. All right. Up Jake. Fix up. Jake. Jake, 

Jake: fix your damn bike, Jake. All right, let's move on. Um, shut up here. We we're still telling you to shut up. Come on, you shut up. All right, let's do this. Oh, 

Matt Legrand: champ Bailey, bring him out from the dungeons. 

Champ: Smash your face into a car windshield and then take your mother, Dorothy, man, two out for a nice seafood dinner and never call Horrific.

Champ: That's right. What's up Champ? 

Lance: [00:14:00] Champ is here. We, uh, if you didn't watch Milan San Remo, you need to go back and watch it. I need to 

Matt Legrand: go back and watch the finish. 

Lance: The last, the last 20 K were phenomenal now. Milan, San Remo, gigantically long race. It's like 180 mile race or 160 mile race. And, um. There's two climbs at the end.

Lance: We already talked about this LA last week, the Resa and the Poeo, and usually the race breaks up at the Poeo, which is five kilometers from the finish. Mm-hmm. But the last couple years, the Resa has been, um. Being more Yeah. Crucial. Yeah. And man, this year it was just freaking amazing. Um, Poya had a teammate who just drilled it at the bottom of the Cha Pressa halfway up.

Lance: He attacks, he goes as hard as he can. Um, van breaks the field. Breaks the field, but Vanderpool is able to go with him. Yes. Filippo. Ghana's able to go with him pretty much. With, pretty much, yes. And [00:15:00] then one other guy kind of hang with him for a bit. 

Matt Legrand: Yeah, 

Lance: they get all the way to the top. They dropped Ghana, but not enough.

Lance: Not enough. And he just like drilled it back to him. He was able to catch back onto him. They get on the poeo. Boccia attacks again. He attacks, I think he attacked three times trying to drop Vanderpool. He could never drop him. Finally at the top, Vanderpool tries to attack Bo. It, it was great. You just have to watch it 

Ian: that that race never disappoints.

Ian: I mean, it's a long, long race and 90% of it is not really worth watching. But that lasts 20 K every year, man. That's, yeah, it's the best racing on the calendar. 

Jake: Everybody was kind of questioning Poat at the very end, like, did he do this wrong? Did he do that rock? I don't think he did. I mean, he did everything he possibly could to shake.

Jake: VanderPol, couldn't shake Vanderpool, played that perfect. He could not have played it any more. Perfect. Yep. Man. Did that, oh, that did, did not disappoint Well, 

Ian: he was reaching for a feed when? When Poot attacked on that [00:16:00] last time. Did you see that? 

Lance: Yeah. He takes a bottle, Poot attacks. He takes a sip of the bottle, puts it in his bike, and just catches back up to P.

Lance: Gotcha. 

Ian: What the 

HBD Matt: heck? 

Matt Legrand: He a, he's a beast. He's in beast shapes right now. I mean Yep. 

Ian: And he played that sprint perfectly. 

Lance: He played it, yeah. 

Ian: Went long. 

Lance: Yeah. So, uh, it came down to the very final, um, they weren't really sitting right on each other's wheel, ot. Felipo actually caught back on, right. And so he catches back on.

Lance: All three of 'em are together, but they, but Po Poot kind of hung back to try to get like a sprinter's run at him to try to like attack him. And as soon as then Vanderbilt noticed that Poot was back, he just went, he just like, yeah, I guess I'm going now with like 

Ian: 300, 3 50 to go, like three 

Lance: 50 to go, which is way too long to go and he was able to hold him off.

Lance: So, mm, Vanderpool wins. So [00:17:00] fantastic. Great race. So first monument of the year and it lived up to the hype. It was fantastic. We've got a few more monuments coming up the tour of Flanders, which both Vanderpool and, um, Poot will be at, and Van Art will be at. So that should be exciting and fun. And then, uh, Poot just announced like yesterday or the day before that he is going to do Perry Rue.

Matt Legrand: Yes. Which, so I don't know about that race. This is a dangerous race. 

Lance: It's not just that it's dangerous, it's, it's, it's kind of built, you have to be like a bigger rider to like absorb. It's, 

Matt Legrand: it's kind of built for some of the cyclo crossy type people or I don't know. I feel the one day or typically do well, a lot of the classics people, I don't know.

Matt Legrand: It's, it'll be fun. It'll make it more fun to watch, to have him in the race for sure. 

Ian: Po he's done well on, on the Cobbles in the 

Lance: past. Yep. He has, he's 

Ian: strong 

Lance: with it. And it's, it's kind of exciting that I, my guess is that, well, you know, CIO was like. Well, crap. I didn't bring Milan San Remo. I may as well [00:18:00] go to Per Rupe and just do it because he hasn't, he hasn't ever done the race yet, so kind of exciting.

Lance: Anyway, that was fun. Uh, there's another stage race going on in, uh, Volta. Catalonia. Uh, today they finished a top Montserrat outside of Barcelona. Um, and so, and, and Juan, I used so try to get away from Primos, rch, but uh, RCH pipped him at the line. So that's kind of some exciting races there. 

Ian: I guess I don't need to watch that later then.

Ian: Sorry, 

Lance: you gotta come prepared for this, I guess. Okay. The last 5K is worth watching at least. Anyway. Uh, other than that, that's it. Champ's out. Good 

Jake: job, champ. Real quick, did you guys happen to catch the end of the, God, what was the name of that race? It was the, um, 2025 edition. It was just a couple days ago.

Jake: The classic Bru Day pan? No, the men's final on that. Oh my gosh. Do yourself a favor and go watch that. I think it was like the last four Ks, there were four separate, [00:19:00] separate major crashes. Oh, I see. That. Like they had a full Peloton and only after the, all those crashes happened, only 20 people ended up finishing the race, if I'm not mistaken or something.

Jake: Oh my gosh. Something small like that or, or finished in that, that league group. But it was just one crash after another. It was like, oh my gosh, how does that keep happening? And there were some notable people, like I think the biggest one would be Tim Murle. He went down, he went down pretty hard and you know, had to get some stitches and whatnot.

Jake: But that was a messy, chaotic race. And that's one of those ones that you watch and you're like, I don't know if I want to do that. 

Lance: It's one of those things where the sprinters are trying to stay towards the front. Yeah. So they're behind their lead out men. And it still didn't matter if you were towards the front 'cause they were crashes at the front.

Jake: Yeah, but they were, because they wet. No, no. There was even like a teammate that took out another teammate because of some half wheeling and took out, ultimately took out three teammates and it was just dumb stuff like that that kept happening one thing after another. But none of these crashes were small.

Jake: Like you would see the crash and next thing you know, there's like 30 people on the deck and like, you know, [00:20:00] some people squirt it out and people are like going around 'em and trying to keep it together. Like, oh well that's just gonna make the sprint a little bit more interesting. And like another k, like another crash in the same situation.

Jake: It keeps dwindling the field down and down, but do yourself and go watch the YouTube. Um, they've got a nice couple YouTube, uh, reels of that, that basically show the last five Ks and you're like, oh my gosh, are you kidding me? That's ugly. So bad. All right. Enough of that. Let's move on to, 

EPO Chain Mail: I did with This might be the best intro.

EPO Chain Mail: Blood, sweat, and Tears and Extra Blood. People don't. Yeah. You know, this is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the line and dozens of fans. That stakes are medium. Come on. Medium. How do you beat a man on drugs if you don't On drugs? 

Jake: Exactly. 

EPO Chain Mail: Wait, did you just admit to being on drugs? The EPO Chain Mail.

EPO Chain Mail: Send us a text with your questions, forward this podcast to 15 people and you'll lose 10 pounds overnight without even trying. 

Matt Legrand: This is one of the best. Got mail. Best intro clips that we have. Love it. 

Jake: We do have [00:21:00] mail. We've got a bunch of mail. All right. Do you remember my one last thing question from the last podcast?

Jake: No. What did I ask you guys? No. 

Matt Legrand: No. No idea. Idea. What was it Must have been important. 

Jake: You guys weren't paying attention, were you? 

Matt Legrand: I, we. Are we worried about ourselves? 

Jake: I asked you. I questioned whether or not we should change our rating so that we can move on from the whole Disney. Oh, yes. Era. From era. Our Disney, 

Matt Legrand: our Disney sponsorship, all those Disney dollars.

Matt Legrand: Flush 'em down the toilet. Yeah. 

Jake: Or keep it pg, 

Matt Legrand: right? 

Jake: We had some feedback. What do you guys think? 

Matt Legrand: I think people, everyone's gonna vote for PG 13. I think people don't care if we swear. That's what I think. 

Jake: What do you think again? 

Ian: I think people don't care. 

Matt Legrand: They don't care. Matt, I think people are gonna want us to go r-rated moving, moving away from our, that's my guess.

Matt Legrand: Full taint liquor. Yeah. People want, yes, people want, they want some dirt. They want dirt on their bike. They don't want these sparkly clean bikes. Yep. They want off-road bikes. 

Jake: The feedback I got was keep it the way that it is. 

Intro: Oh, 

Jake: [00:22:00] okay. That was surprising. Perfect. And there was, there was a couple people that reached out to me privately, and then there was one that came through and this person from Anaheim, California.

Jake: Speaking of Disneyland. 

Matt Legrand: Wow. Oh, well this is Disney World. But go ahead. 

Jake: Well close enough. Close enough adjacent. It's og, by the way. OG Disneyland. Way better than Magic Kingdom in Florida. Yeah. Way better. Sorry, just my, my 2 cents. But anyway, more magical. The listener writes in and says, day one listener here, and every EP episode, since I voted for the PG rating, I spend a ton of time chauffeuring kids from activity to activity, and this is one of the only podcasts I can listen to with them in the car.

Jake: I don't mind Lance's anus jokes. 

Matt Legrand: I did just say pan liquor, but it is so, it's like you predict the future, 

Jake: but it's so nice not having to worry about F-bombs being dropped every two minutes. So f bomb away. But do know that I will be editing and editing and editing. That's 

Matt Legrand: a, that's a great comment. 

Ian: Can we say the word bollocks?

Ian: Yeah. 

Matt Legrand: Yes. Yeah. Nobody understands because that's 

Ian: [00:23:00] balls. Yeah. Yeah. 

Matt Legrand: We say balls. So, so I think that's perfect. I think that's the perfect comment because I too can relate to chauffeur and kids around all the time. Yeah. And it's nice to listen to a podcast and if it's, if it's full of cursing, then you don't wanna listen to it with your kids.

Matt Legrand: True. Who you're chauffeuring around. 

Lance: Plus doesn't your mother listen to this, Matt? 

Matt Legrand: Mm, sorry. She, she, she's very, my mom is very confused on. Like, oh, are you still doing the podcast? But what she means is like, are you still making videos on YouTube? Like there's no, that's all she thinks. It's all the same thing.

Matt Legrand: It's all the same thing. It's all the same. So yeah. And I tell her all the time, I'm like, I have a, yes, I have a podcast. And yes, I still am making videos. 

Jake: So pg I think we can safely say though, maybe PG 13. Yeah, A soft PG 13. Soft pg we can 

Lance: cuss with weird. Uh, with weird English. Eu. British. British British.

Lance: Yeah. Yeah. 

Matt Legrand: And then there's always the ice cream sandwich. That's always, yeah. It's a classic. It's also classic. 

Jake: And there's a bit of comedic humor to that as well, so, yeah. We'll, we'll keep that [00:24:00] in check. Thank you for the feedback, everybody. And, and thank you listener from Anaheim for taking the time to send us that note.

Jake: That's cool. Um, much appreciated. Alright, our next one comes to somebody from the state of Washington. That's, that's all I know. Um, all right. I thought we had addressed this one, but then I looked at the date and it came out after we posted the last one. So the question is, any tips for staying motivated when many of the races you had planned on doing get moved to dates where you are unavailable?

Jake: I've been following a training program to get myself fit for these events, and I want to use that fitness for something, but I struggle to stay motivated without, uh, at least one or two official races on the calendar. Thanks. And keep up the awesome podcast, Strava. 

Matt Legrand: I was, I have eight words for you, Strava.

Matt Legrand: Okay. That's it. 

Intro: Those are the eight words. 

Lance: Strava, Strava, om km hunting attempt. KOM Hunting on Strout. 

Jake: Oh, well, I'm meant be spoiling my one last thing here, but, um, show up to the local flogging ride that will be, uh, starting next week. Yeah, there you go. That's true. 

Lance: Yeah. 

Jake: So [00:25:00] 

Lance: you could go to, you could find local race pace rides mm-hmm.

Lance: That you could do, and that would definitely be a test of your fitness. Sure. The good way to stay sharp too. Yep. The Sabi shootout, the Thursday night flogging. Um, yeah, so those are a couple local, uh, I guess this person is, is local. 

Ian: IR starts on Monday, three weeks. Two weeks time, or three weeks. I guess it depends 

Jake: on where you live in Washington, but I mean, there is road racing all over the state that happens during the week.

Jake: So there's a, 

Lance: there's a road race series on, uh, racetrack, Pacific Raceways in, uh, in Seattle Ish. Area. Area, yeah. Yeah. 

Matt Legrand: There's other things you could do. You could also come up with your own personal challenge where you do something crazy like an elevation challenge. We've heard of people, you know, doing the, what's the big elevation challenge?

Matt Legrand: The 10,000 Everting Everting? Mm-hmm. Like. Not something that I would recommend, but hey, you know, if it tickles your fancy, go for it. Yeah. I just think that there's ways to, to fake a race, if you will. Like have something to train for, something that you're gunning for, that [00:26:00] you're excited about, and then go for it.

Matt Legrand: And it doesn't, you can kinda put those on any dates that you want too. 

Jake: Yeah. Another thing too is like, you don't have, granted, you can't do that race on that date because they obviously moved it or canceled or whatever they did. But maybe consider finding a different race somewhere else. I mean, there's gonna be races just about every weekend across the country, so maybe make a, something fun out of it.

Jake: Destination. Yeah. Destination race. Destination race. Yeah. Find something that works in your calendar and see if you can sneak away for a couple days, that'd be fun. 

Ian: You just want one, if you can find one event that appeals to you, you know, one a race. Mm-hmm. It's often enough to, to give you that motivation.

Ian: Right. Yep. Just, just one goal. 

Intro: Mm-hmm. 

Ian: And then the other thing is, I mean, so many people do struggle with motivation. It's, it's probably one of the most limiting things about increasing your fitness is staying motivated. So sometimes it needs to be, um, more based on your own personal performance, like power goals, you know, five minute power, 20 minute power, [00:27:00] something that you can measure, uh, that's attainable.

Ian: Right? But it's not, not necessarily based on results from a mm-hmm. Particular race. Because even if you go to that race, there's so many variables, so many things that are out of your control. So you're not gonna make that podium, but through no fault of your own. Mm-hmm. Whether it's just who else shows up on the day, or bike mechanicals or your, um, wellness, fitness, all sorts of things can get in your way.

Ian: Let us, let alone not actually being able to attend the race. So some sort of backup motivating. Yeah. Objective goal, I guess. 

Matt Legrand: I think, you know, I, I recommend that with a lot of people where they're like, I'm doing an Ironman or whatever, or a marathon and they've got all their training ready to go. It's like, it's kind of a good idea.

Matt Legrand: You don't have to like sign up for anything in particular, but just have some sort of backup in mind in case the worst whatever happens, right? Like things crazy, things happen, flights get [00:28:00] canceled and you don't even show up for your race. And it's like wild things can, your bike doesn't show up, your bike doesn't show up.

Matt Legrand: Like things can happen and you're like, and it's the amount of training and effort that you put in having these backup options is kind of worth at least thinking about. And I'm not suggesting that you like drop the credit card down and max it out and go into debt over these races, but like just having something that you're earmarking or kind of keeping an eye on like, well this could work, it's a month later.

Matt Legrand: My training would still overflow. It would still all work out if I needed to. I dunno. Something to think about. 

Lance: Yeah. 

Matt Legrand: Hmm, moving along. Strava. Strava. Oh 

Ian: yeah. Strava. KOM. 

Jake: Absolutely. Go take some from Lance. Yeah, that'll be fun. All right, next one. It's no secret that the prices of mid and top end cycling equipment have gone up significantly in the past few years.

Jake: Could this be because most of these products are being made for sponsored professional athletes who need every last marginal gain to compete at the world's highest level and not for us mere mortals [00:29:00] who, um, probably aren't fast enough to experience most of the claimed gains anyway. If true. Um, cycling brands can change whatever, or charge whatever they want for these products since they are not targeting non pros.

Jake: And if mere mortals think it is worth spending that much money, um, on their stuff, uh, the company makes a huge profit. Bots, I think pros don't pay for stuff. True. But are they just making it just for the pros so that they can have their marginal gains? 

Matt Legrand: Or are, are they, I think, I think they're making it for retired dentists.

Ian: I think they're making it because they see there's a demand for it. They're not gonna make it if they're not not gonna be able to sell it. Yeah. They're, they'll set the prices based on what they think people will be willing to pay. 

Jake: Yeah. I mean, it's not gonna be for everybody and some people are gonna get priced out.

Jake: That just happens. Yeah. 'cause that's what your budget is. But I've, I've always kind of been of the mindset that you kind of put your pension where your passion is. Um, you've probably heard me say that before. So you're gonna invest in the things that you're truly passionate about. That still doesn't mean that you need to go [00:30:00] top shelf on everything, but it's kind of funny being in the position that I'm in and, and watching how people spend their money.

Jake: We sell far more things that fall in the land of that upper mid to high end stuff. So if you're thinking swam, it's gonna be, you know, the swam red, the force in the red. You're gonna see a ton of that going out. If you're thinking Shimano, it's gonna be your altegra and your dura ace and your X oh one and your, um, you know, XX one kind of stuff.

Jake: We sell way more of that stuff than we do the, the mid to low stuff. Or the, the true mid, we'll call those things both upper end, but I dunno, I just, I kind of see that as the, the way that people kind of go, 

Ian: well, while it's, while those high-end products are unobtainable for a lot of people mm-hmm. Or, or severely stretch people's budgets, you know?

Ian: Mm-hmm. It is, it is a kind of aspirational thing where people want to have the best thing and mm-hmm. You, you never, uh, most people can't afford a top end Ferrari or Ducati or something like that, but you can [00:31:00] just about those same people might be able to afford a pinella or That's true. Something that's true when you think about 

Matt Legrand: it, like there are people that collect cars, like this sport is not all that crazy when you think about mm-hmm.

Matt Legrand: What other people do. I do think that the original question or, or the commenter has a really smart comment and they, they're like, are these little marginal gains that we're talking about here? Or are they really of value? And I do think that a lot of these things. Especially when we're talking about like components, a lot of it is just cutting weight.

Matt Legrand: Um, yes. Especially when we're talking about like mechanical shifting kind of shifts, the way it shifts. Uh, some, and sometimes in, in my case, sometimes I do think that there's some advantages to like, uh, different shifting systems and sometimes you can get some issues, but like a lot of times it's like, well, they've done more machining work on these parts to hollow 'em out basically more, and they just weigh less.

Matt Legrand: And so that might not be of value to this particular rider. And for me it's definitely not, [00:32:00] doesn't make any sense. Right. Because there's, there's easily 10 pounds that I can lose off the rider as opposed to the components. Right. There's no 10 pounds on the components to lose. There's 10 pounds up top.

Matt Legrand: But anyway, my point is, is like, I think he has, he makes a good point that these are definitely marginal gains when you're talking about some of the slight differences between the component sets. Are, who are they for? They're, like we said, they're, they're for the people that can afford it. Yeah. 

Jake: And that, that's true.

Jake: And you know, usually when you look at anything across the board, like somebody could have a, a, a hobby that they're truly like, yeah. Full into. And I'm gonna look at that and go, oh, if I want to get into this, what's it gonna cost? And you start to go look at the Yeah. The cost of these things. And you're like, oh my gosh, that's super expensive.

Jake: What's, what's something that I can just get by with? Right? And if that were the case and I'm just gonna use it a few times, that's perfectly fine. But if I were to go full into the sport and I was gonna go for more of like a, you know, this is fun too, like an enthusiast as somebody that's gonna take it very seriously, you're gonna want to have some of the nicer gear.

Jake: 'cause I know I'm, I've, I'm also of the same mindset, like, buy nicer, buy [00:33:00] twice. You know, there's, there's a little bit of that. And then, you know, sometimes it's, you know, the, the, the nicer, better quality materials that they use that maybe are gonna last longer or they're gonna perform a little bit better.

Jake: So sometimes you do wanna spend the money in those cases, but I. For the most part, you don't have to go crazy. All crazy. Yeah. Yeah. 

Matt Legrand: And the other thing is like, you're buying a bike that's, you're probably gonna have for at least five years maybe. Yeah. And, and that's a long time. You know? And so you're like, you might as well get nice stuff for five years as opposed to being on something that's not so nice for two years.

Matt Legrand: I don't know. 

Ian: Yeah. It is true that not every cyclist needs that cutting edge equipment. If, if you compete, like if, if racing is a, is a big deal for you and you, you wanna be competitive, then I think it's probably more important. Right. But 

Matt Legrand: Sure. 

Ian: But to a lot of people that, you know, buying one wheel set over another is.

Ian: Barely discernible. True. 

Jake: Yeah. Sometimes depends, but yeah. Um, yeah, I, I, I, I don't disagree with any of you guys like head versus zip. 

Matt Legrand: I mean, I'm sure zip costs a good bit [00:34:00] more, but really how much value is there? I don't know. 

Jake: Yeah. But there's gonna be a big difference between that and maybe some, you know, lower end, lower tier.

Jake: So, so you know, you're gonna see a difference, but it's just not gonna be that marked once you get into that same stratosphere where they're all kind of playing the same and then you can look for value there instead of, yeah. Yeah, there's, don't buy a name brand and pay for that name brand's marketing and, and all the, the stuff that comes along with that when you can get something that's gonna perform just the same for quite a bit less money.

Jake: Yeah. There's definitely 

Matt Legrand: places for sure to save money if you know what you're looking for. Yeah. 

Jake: And there's a lot of people out there too that fall in love with this sport. Yeah. And maybe they don't have like the deep pockets to go buy all the nice things, but what they end up doing is start making sacrifices in other areas where maybe they don't spend as much money on certain things so that they can allocate a little bit more budget to get some stuff that's a touch nicer.

Jake: Does really, 

Matt Legrand: does Sally really need to eat three times a day? No. No, no. Sally does not. No, Sally, go back to your room. Dad's looking at that. 

Lance: Dad's looking at bike components online. You know, going back to the, the guy's original question is whether, you know, do these, do these cycling insiders [00:35:00] really have. A plan about what they're putting out.

Lance: True. No, they're freaking just guessing. Like you and I are guessing they're just 

Jake: engineers thinking they're just, this'll be 

Lance: cool. Yeah. This might be cool. And wait, say that again. Maybe we can sell this. You 

Jake: think that they don't have any forward thinking plan? 

Lance: No. I think they, they want, I think they don't know if those forward thinking plans are actually gonna come true or not.

Lance: Mm-hmm. Look, mm. 

Jake: Sort of, 

Lance: yeah. 

Jake: I mean, yes, they're gonna sometimes have to throw things against the wall to see what sticks, but for all intents and purposes, when it sticks, then they start making those little incremental changes and 

Lance: yeah, you start to figure some things out. Yeah. But I, I don't think there is a full master plan.

Lance: Uh, you know, unlike, okay, maybe RA came out with a universal derailer hangar like three years ago, and that was a brilliant, you know, plan that they, that and the whole cycling 

Jake: industry rejoiced all, at least all the, the bike brands rejoiced, because guess what? We get everybody brand new. We get to brand new friends, mountain bikes and road bikes and gravel bikes.

Jake: 'cause everybody's gonna want UDHI. 

Lance: I think the point I'm making is [00:36:00] every time I get like, really deep into an industry, whether it be real estate or business or mm-hmm. Or hotel management or something like that. And I get to know like the principles that are making the decisions. Yeah. They're, they're just, they're just a bunch of idiots like I am.

Lance: Yep. 

Matt Legrand: A hundred percent. I a hundred percent agree with Lance. I don't think that there's like some guy with a monocle sitting back like, now we, this is, we're going to introduce 13 speed. Like no, they're just, these are like engineers trying to figure out we can, this, that is off, off. 

Jake: The brands that you can think of.

Jake: Which one has a Mr. Burns sitting at the, uh, helm of the company? Shimano Shiano the evil. 

Lance: No, we, we won't make more products that can, we can sell. 

Ian: That is the infuriating thing though, right? You can, you think, okay, I'm gonna invest in, in say, top end Shimano equipment. I'm gonna buy dur Ace as opposed to Altegra.

Ian: Because, hey, the materials are, um, better quality. The tolerances are better. Everything is [00:37:00] lighter designed to last. And, and you can go and buy a D Ace, um, group set, and it should be just as good 20 years from now. But the infuriating thing is all of those products you never get your money's worth out of because you's always, you're always tempted into buying.

Ian: The next one where they've made these 

Lance: that has 30 millimeter tire clearance. Right. And you through improvements. Right. So, so 

Ian: what was state of the art and what was a great investment no longer is, 

Jake: and there's always the dreaded word discontinued. Yeah. And that has happened. And as a matter of fact plus Shimano, that just happened because they had their whole 11 speed DUR race line that just was retired, what, a year and a half ago or something like that.

Jake: Maybe two. I, I don't dunno. They stopped making those altogether. You have one crash on your bike and you destroy a brake lever. Either be prepared to pay two x what you would've paid for MSRP on that through buying something used on eBay. Or you're gonna have to re-fit your entire bike with, with the new 12 speed stuff.

Jake: It should, 

Matt Legrand: and it should be the opposite. You should pay half the price because it's old components [00:38:00] and like, yeah, no, I mean, no one wants, it should be the case that no one wants their 11 speed components anymore. We should be able to get that stuff at a discount. It's frustrating. You 

Jake: should, or there should be a certain amount of time that they make that stuff.

Jake: Yeah. And I can get it. Like if it's something that, if it's like Dures that they were making 15 years ago Yeah. You can probably stop making that stuff. Yeah. But we're talking about something that just kind of a year and a half ago. Yeah. Got, you know, they had, it's, it's one iteration removed and they discontinued.

Matt Legrand: Plus that stuff was wildly popular. Yes. Think how many bikes are out there on the road Exactly. That are 11 speed. Yeah. Like some sort of Shimano 11 speed. He's 

Jake: a good friend here of ours here in the cycling community. Had a pretty bad bike crash about a year ago and, and was, you know, coming back around and helped him get his bike fixed.

Jake: And we went to go get some, uh, new, uh, a new lever for him. Discontinued, couldn't, couldn't find, find it anywhere. And I'm like, dude, I looked everywhere high and low. He is like, all right, I'm gonna go jump on, you know, eBay. I'm like, I think I saw something over there. If you can get it, snag it. And that's what he ended up doing.

Jake: And you're paying more for a used lever. Then a brand new one, then a brand new one, and that you're gonna take that or you're gonna make that [00:39:00] decision when it's like, all right, go pay 600 bucks for a lever. Or go pay $3,000 for a new group set. You know, that's one of those situations that he was in. I want to 

Matt Legrand: go back and look through some shoe boxes and see what I have.

Matt Legrand: Like, do I have like a whole component set? It's like old baseball cards that stuff 

Jake: up on eBay for three, four x. See what happens. 

Lance: This might be a decent segue into the new products that's Dora 

Matt Legrand: just released. 

Jake: I've got a couple more questions. 

Matt Legrand: Well, let's, we can come back to those questions if we want, if we're talking about components sets.

Jake: Did you wanna do that real quick then? Yeah, I do because let's do 

Matt Legrand: it 

Lance: because you wrote something. So, so they, there came out with three brand new components. They just dropped today. They just dropped today. Um, I just talked about how they have, uh, the. These are for mountain bikes, but mountain bikes you can get, um, the transmission system that does away with the derailer.

Lance: No derailer right? No derailer hanger. So for, are we talking about the, for mountain bikes? For the, for the whole drive train. 

Ian: So it makes your new mountain bike frame obsolete? Correct. 

Matt Legrand: Wait, it [00:40:00] has, I have, I have questions. No front, no rear derailer. Well, mountain bikes don't usually have front derailers. I, that's 

Jake: it still has rear derailer, but it's just set up a whole transmission setup up.

Lance: It's 

Jake: a different setup. Yeah. 

Lance: Yeah. The transmission. So you might not know this. I don't know any of this. It's all new. It's been a huge thing in the mountain bike industry and the gravel industry. Okay. We don't have derailer hangers anymore on my mountain bike. 'cause of the new because the new, the new derailer attaches right to your right.

Lance: Okay. Bottom bracket. Not your bottom bracket. Right. To your, through axle. 

Matt Legrand: Through axle, yeah. Which is awesome because it's so much more durable. I saw some guy stand on one. Correct. You can't stand on crazy. Yes, they're way more 

Lance: durable 'cause nothing bends. Okay. So the system they came out with like two and a half years ago is all electronic.

Lance: And, and the high-end system was like $2,600 for a complete drive train. Okay. That's pretty spendy for a complete drive train. 

Ian: Yeah. One by, yeah, 

Lance: one by, yeah. It's just the shifter, 

Jake: it's the crank set. The, uh, shifter 

Lance: crank, set [00:41:00] chain derailer chain chain ca and cassette. That's it. That's not 

Jake: breaks. No brakes in there.

Jake: No brakes. Yeah. Oh, 

Lance: wow. So all that stuff, like 2,600 bucks, but it, it's all electronic and, and as of before, they only had electronic shifting mm-hmm. For this system. 

Jake: And you could tear 

Lance: it 

Jake: down. I think it was two tiers down that they were doing it. There was 

Lance: three tiers. Tiers. So yeah, there's three different tiers.

Lance: So they just dropped today a mechanical version of the transmission group set. 

Matt Legrand: Okay. 

Lance: What do 

Matt Legrand: they call this transmission system? They call it Eagle 90. Eagle 90? Yes. So now we have a mechanical eagle 90. Yes. Do you wanna take a stab at what it costs though? I hope it's like under two grand. Keep going. No higher?

Jake: No. Make, make a guess. Gimme a dollar amount. 1500 bucks. Okay. Ian, do you got a guess on this? Or do you already know the answer? 

Ian: I already know. 

Jake: Okay. Then you get to recuse yourself from this Lance, would you care to tell them how much this 680 bucks Whoa. For the entire way, go rem. Yes. Now entire drive trains.

Jake: That's not the only one that came out though. Lance. You wanted share some more pricing? 

Lance: There's, [00:42:00] there's another system that's, uh, a little bit cheaper that will actually go mostly on OEM stuff. Mm-hmm. So original manufacturing stuff, but uh, yeah, 

Matt Legrand: that one's even cheaper. That's even cheaper. Like 500 bucks.

Matt Legrand: Yeah. So this makes this like super tempting. But the problem is you have to have the correct frame for this to work. You have to have a UDH. 

Lance: Right. It used to have, so 

Matt Legrand: like my mountain bike won't work. No, 

Jake: they do make the old adapters though. I'm not quite sure. Sure. I don't wanna speak to this because I don't, I think that there are some frames it just does not work.

Jake: But they do make adapters that will. Take your frame if it's not UDH and make it UDH. Accept the UDH stuff. Yeah. That's interesting information 

Matt Legrand: on that. For that particular product. It's like, hey, this is a great up upgrade for a lot of people, but I'm guessing if they just bought their bike in the last two years that they're not looking to upgrade components.

Lance: It might not, but there's, there's been enough, uh, interest in having a mechanical Yeah. Um, transmission system because the shifting is so much [00:43:00] crisper and so much better. Mm-hmm. You can shift under full load, like you're out, like you don't have to like just 

Matt Legrand: mechanical and Yes. Yeah, mechanical 

Lance: and the electronic.

Lance: So you rode Yeah, 

Matt Legrand: whatever day before last or whatever. You rode. Both like the mechanical one or what did you write? I have, well, I have, you have one? I 

Lance: have one that's electronic. That's electronic, and I rode one of theirs that was mechanical and it shifted just as good as the electronic one. It's a third lot cheaper, which is 

Ian: great.

Ian: There's something appealing about, uh, mechanical shifting as well, just the simplicity of it. Yeah. It kind of goes back to cycling's roots as a simple Yeah. Um, 

Matt Legrand: well, for me, I don't wanna invest a ton of money in mountain biking because it's like, it's not something that I, yeah. You know, it's not 

Ian: cool. Yeah.

Matt Legrand: It's, it is cool. It is cool. I mean, I don't know if we had like a mountain biking magazine laying around then. Me do. We do have a mountain from 19 93, 19 93 mountain bike. It's just in front of us. This should be a video podcast anyway. Um, but I, it's just that I don't ride the mountain bike that much [00:44:00] and I want to use it for like going and cruising around cross country kids, kids that are running and take it on some trails and all this stuff like that.

Matt Legrand: But the transmission system is so much better. Nice. The shifting 

Lance: is so much better and the fact that they came out with a manual version is just fantastic and so much 

Matt Legrand: cheaper. Durability, I think is probably an overlooked benefit. Yeah. It's actually lighter too. You is a lighter yourself. 

Ian: An aluminum frame and a mid-range wheel set and a mechanical, uh, one by system you could probably walk out with, uh, from something around $2,000, 2,500 as long as it had the, 

Lance: as long as it had a universal derailer hanger.

Lance: Yep. Oh, bad. Nice. 

Jake: So going back to the whole, can you adapt, uh, yes. Transmission? So you can, you can find some UDH adapters for traditional frames, but they're niche unstandardized and not always reliable. Um, you know, obviously the best bet is if you're gonna do the whole transmission thing, start with a frame that has, uh, UDH.

Jake: It's UDH, uh, capable, but you're gonna have to do a little bit of searching around to find out if your frame can [00:45:00] be, um, adapted using an adapter to actually put the UDH system on there. So it's, um, just a case by case scenario, but it, it's an option It might be worth looking into for some people. Would 

Ian: it fit my 1993 stump jumper?

Ian: Yes, 

Jake: absolutely. 

Lance: Yes. 

Ian: Yeah. Cool. 

Lance: So that's one of the products that came out with this transmission system is fantastic. That's a great ad. Um, the, another thing that came out with it came out with the new bra, new breaks for mountain bikes. 

Matt Legrand: Okay. 

Lance: Um, usually you had to get either downhill breaks or cross country breaks because the cross country brakes are like lighter.

Lance: Mm-hmm. But, uh, they didn't break as well as the downhill brake and now they've made a downhill ish brake system that is as light as a cross country 

Matt Legrand: system. Do they feel like that this is like the single brake system? They don't, they're gonna like eliminate product lines or No, they're not gonna eliminate product lines '

Lance: cause they just came out with a, with a really robust downhill, uh, brake system like a year ago.

Lance: But, um, they've, it, it's, it's heavy because when [00:46:00] you need a downhill bike, it doesn't freaking matter. So it doesn't matter how hook it on. It's a, it's a 

Ian: step in the right direction though. Right? It a step in the right direction. More compatibility. Yeah. And. Potentially cheap and, and cheaper. Cheaper and lighter.

Ian: Yeah. So what was like riding 

Matt Legrand: all this stuff you rode? Did you ride three different systems or, 

Lance: no, I all, so there all three things were on the bike. I rode. Okay. So the third thing that they also updated was, are you 

Jake: able to talk about this yet? 

Lance: Yes. Did drop today? Yes. That's right. Yeah. You gotta hold off on that.

Lance: There's another thing, there's gonna be an announcement later. There's one more thing. April 3rd, it comes out the, the date is April 3rd. You can't even talk about the date. One more thing. 

Jake: Next 

Lance: week. Next week. Thank you. Stay tuned. Scratch that. Jake, can you go back and you didn't say anything? We're good.

Lance: Okay. Stay tuned people. Stay tuned people. So those got pretty, everybody sits on edge of their seat. 

Matt Legrand: Like and subscribe. Like, like and subscribe, dude. That's when you hit 'em with it Land. This is right. This is YouTube Gold, right here it is 

Lance: YouTube. Shit. 

Matt Legrand: Okay. 

Lance: So anyway, great products from Swm. So actually updated good products that are cheaper.

Matt Legrand: That's awesome. 

Jake: Less [00:47:00] expensive, 

Lance: not cheaper. Yes. Less expensive. We, we don't 

Matt Legrand: use 

Lance: the 

Matt Legrand: word cheaper. 

Jake: When you talked about the brakes, I was looking something up here. Did you mention what kind of brake fluid they're using now? Uh, 

Lance: it is now mineral oil, brake fluid. Not that five stuff. Crappy, do five stuff. So better you can use cooking oil.

Lance: You just 

Matt Legrand: pour, you can't use cooking. 

Lance: Probably 

Matt Legrand: could, probably could 

Lance: the, the dot five stuff. Like if you, if you got it like cri contaminated at all, it just, it screwed the whole system. 

Jake: Mm-hmm. 

Lance: So it was, so the fact that they've moved all to mineral oil with these new brakes, fantastic 

Jake: new bleed kits too.

Jake: Yes. I'm sure we can talk about that. I don't know if that dropped yet, but they've got new bleed kits that came out that are supposedly a lot better 

Lance: actually when you buy the whole brake system, these new brake system, it comes with the bleed kit. Wow, that's great. Okay. Nice. That, that makes sense. Yeah.

Lance: Sweet. 

Jake: Cool. So that's kind of cool staying in the vein of new things before we come back to our last question here from our, uh, wonderful EPO Chain Mail peoples. Um, Matt and I were talking before the podcast started. Yes. And then he told me to put a pin in it and he was gonna come back to it later.

Jake: There was [00:48:00] something else new that came out, I think it was today, if I'm not mistaken. 

Matt Legrand: Today. Today. Today Garmin dropped something called Garmin Connect Plus, which is a subscription service for more data from Connect from Garmin Connect, a little bit of sprinkling of AI sauce in there. Ah, Lance's favorite.

Matt Legrand: And we're talking about $7 a month or $70 a year, so a little cheaper. It's, that's 10 bucks cheaper than Strava Plus. But you're supposed to get Strava like numbers from it. 

Jake: Strava like numbers. Strava sucks with their numbers, but 

Matt Legrand: No, so, so there's a couple things to this. There's an AI piece that's just, it's not, it doesn't look like it's alm.

Matt Legrand: I feel like it's almost like not fully fleshed out. There's an AI piece to it instead of co. This is, this is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed to say this. For Garmin instead of artificial intelligence, it's active intelligence. Just like Apple does their like, it's not, it's not [00:49:00] artificial intelligence. It's Apple intelligence.

Matt Legrand: Apple intelligence, and I feel like there's another company that's gone down this same road of being like, we're not ai, we're something, something intelligence. Anyway, it's stupid. Just call it artificial intelligence people. No one from Garmin's listening to us, but if they were, come on, 

Jake: I, I don't know.

Jake: There's a couple people that listen in Kansas. Yeah, that's probably gar. Seriously, I can go into the different cities and that's And was it Oath? Yeah. Yeah. That's, they're basic. There's a bunch of people that live, that live in that 

Matt Legrand: area that listen to them much. That is Garmin then, anyway, 

Jake: so 

Matt Legrand: Garmin, if you are listening and we know you are now, please just don't try.

Matt Legrand: That's just a marketing thing. Don't copy Apple. And it, it was a horrible idea from Apple. So, so don't copy late. Horrible ideas. It's late. It's too late. It's too late. Too late, Matt. It's out. So your, your active intelligence or their AI part, it's gonna be at the top of your Garmin Connect. If you subscribe to this thing and you pay your money, uh, they do have a 30 day free trial, so all of us should at least try that.

Matt Legrand: Um, but this active thing, it'll tell you things like, you know, you, [00:50:00] it looks like you didn't sleep well. It, it's a lot of the same kind of insights that you've already seen, but it's a little bit more conversational. So, um, there's that. I don't think that that would potentially push me to pay for this. Uh, then they also have a couple other things.

Matt Legrand: There's this new advanced data set that you can use, not on mobile, but you can use it on their website, where you can build more charts. Um, what's the real draw with 

Lance: it, Matt? What's the, what, what would be the real reason I would wanna pay a subscription for Garment Connect? Because you still have the 

Matt Legrand: free version, right?

Matt Legrand: You still, so that's one really important thing. You are not losing any data. Garmin is not siloing anything. It's all getting moved over. Like all that stuff is the same if you do this, this is an added bit to it. The fear from everyone is that mm-hmm. All the future enhancements, all the future engineering, all the future ideas and functionality are gonna get moved into paywall.

Matt Legrand: Yeah. Yeah. Get [00:51:00] pay walled. 

Jake: Um, which would suck because that's your data, your information, why you're paying to use their devices or own their devices, which, 

Matt Legrand: and that's a point that a lot of people are making is that, hey, you're paying a bit of a premium for a Garmin device, right? So you're paying a thousand dollars for a watch instead of maybe.

Matt Legrand: 200 to 600, you know, for other watches. And one of the great things is that Garmin gives you all of this really cool stuff. Like it's your data and, and you've got like coaching plans and you have all this stuff and they are saying that we're not taking any of that stuff away. It just feels like newer features might potentially, uh, get moved into this Connect Plus piece.

Matt Legrand: One of the other pieces, and again, so far you guys haven't heard anything that's really compelling. Mm-hmm. But another piece is, um, this little, like in addition to your Garmin coaching plan, you can get some additional insights they said and they haven't really defined that well, but what I think it is is like maybe some videos and some extra stuff like here's stretching and things like that that you might do or some, you know, just like additional coaching insights.

Matt Legrand: [00:52:00] Very not well defined by Garmin. Everyone's like, I dunno what this is. Uh, and then last, and you know how you say last but not least, this is last and least, um, the Garmin, you can get specific Garmin badges. In like a little what I, in your, in your just laughed out loud. I think your icon can be a slightly different color, can have like a roller.

Matt Legrand: No, you 

Ian: sold it to me right there. 

Jake: I'm still trying to figure out how I can hide those stupid badges on my straw and stuff. Right. Um, just outta curiosity, did they do anything with like training plans? Did they try to maybe take a little bit off of, uh, training peaks or, or something along those lines and, and integrate it in there?

Jake: I could see myself being like. You know, my curiosity being peaked, if all of a sudden they've got something where like, Hey, we see your numbers. Let's build you a training program based on X, Y, Z, and start to do a little bit of what training Peaks does within their own ecosystem. So they are, they've already had 

Matt Legrand: that, they've already 

Jake: had Garmin coaching, 

Matt Legrand: sort of.

Matt Legrand: Yeah. Sort of. And that's basically not changing at [00:53:00] all. The only bit of that that's changing is this weird little, like, we're gonna add some things to that, which is vague, 

Jake: but with the, the coaching thing that they put out there, I, I've haven't used it. So maybe you can answer a couple questions just to kind of bring it around for me.

Jake: Sure. Do you tell it like, I'm doing races on these dates? Yeah. And I want to be, I want to increase my FTP this much. I want to get this strong. I wanna be able to do this, and then it'll build a program off of 

Matt Legrand: that. So yes and no. You specify a date, you specify what kind of race it is. Like, let's say you're running a 10 K or whatever, it'll have a training program for you that it lines up on your, on your schedule.

Matt Legrand: Mm-hmm. It pops up on your watch when you dual workout. Uh, there's no, like, I want to improve by a hundred watts. There's nothing, there's no, you know, that's not one of the choices that you would have. But you can specify the type of race and things like that that you're doing. 

Jake: So somebody like Ian, you use training peaks pretty often, right?

Jake: Yes. All the time For all your clients and whatnot. Have you used the, the Garmin, or at least looked into the Garmin Connects version of what they're trying to do with respect to building training programs, and can you compare and contrast the two? Is it 

Ian: No, [00:54:00] I've, I've never looked at that. I mean, Garmin, I, I, all the data from Garmin, you imports to training peaks.

Ian: Sure, yep. And that's, for me, it's just a, it's a management tool for my athletes. So, yeah. 

Matt Legrand: Yeah. Just to be complete about Garmin Connect Plus, there's one more feature that I forgot to, that I overlooked, and it's, um, an expanded live track feature where you can automatically send text, text messages and notifications to friends, which you can kind of already do, but this is like more automated, I think.

Matt Legrand: Or there's this other thing where you can, uh, I think embed into like a website or wherever you want to, a live tracking information for if you're racing or something like that. Mm-hmm. So some kind of small tweaks. Okay. But overall connect Plus seems like something that most of our listeners can do for 30 days and see how it goes.

Matt Legrand: But I kind of, or maybe you save your 30 days for when Garmin has improved this a little bit and made some more [00:55:00] compelling features. 'cause I do think some of the AI stuff eventually will be compelling. It's just not there yet. 

Jake: I seven bucks isn't much, but no, at the end of the day, it's just another subscription and I don't want to give another seven bucks to somebody for something that, eh, it's just, which is, eh, you know, which 

Matt Legrand: kind of hits me in the gut a bit because I feel like Garmin was this one company that didn't do that.

Matt Legrand: Yeah. As much. I mean, they do have, they do have other subscriptions for other things, but it's like they're the one company that was like. You know, your data, it's here. You can give you all these tools. And I was like, wow, man. That's pretty good value right 

Jake: there. Where do you see the value for this program?

Jake: Where would you subscribe to this? What dollar amount? I mean, obviously free would be best, but it'd be, would you pay three bucks, two bucks, five 

Matt Legrand: bucks? I mean, where's that threshold that for you? Dollar or something? I mean, like, it would be really, really low. Um, I don't think that there's a lot going on here where there would, that's compelling for me.

Matt Legrand: I would like to see a, the feature that I wanna see from them, that I think they could actually build right now. Like you and I talk about AI all the time. Mm-hmm. Um, I wanna be able to have a conversation with the, [00:56:00] with my data. Over like voice, like directly. Sure. And this should be very feasible. Like you go, you finish your run, you press save on your watch, and then you open up whatever Garmin Connect Plus.

Matt Legrand: And you say like, alright, you know, I felt crappy on this and you know, how was, how was my last mile? Um, you know, what was my max power, blah, blah, blah. Like, you just kind of have this conversation with your data and it just talks to you. I think that that's real value from like ai. Mm-hmm. And then I'd be like, oh, that's a cool thing that I would probably use.

Matt Legrand: Like you're cooling down from your workout and you kind of talk to your data set. It's just like a little debrief there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I would, I would use something like that potentially. Um, and that's doable for Garmin. And I would, I just, I expected a little, kind of, what I expected was AI would have access to all of your data and you can have a conversation with it.

Matt Legrand: Even if it was over text, like that should be pretty straightforward to build for them. And I know they can do it and I have a feeling that they will, but I imagine that this is [00:57:00] gonna be a perfect spot for Connect Plus. Yeah, and I do think that. They should charge for this because AI costs a lot of money.

Matt Legrand: It uses a lot of power, it uses a lot of like it, you could be using carbon, even could be using third party systems or potentially open source. Yeah. AI models don't know what they're probably doing, but I'm guessing they're using some sort of like AI model to do some of this stuff. But I do think that this stuff costs a lot of money and a lot of engineering efforts and I do think that they should potentially charge for some of these things.

Matt Legrand: Just not what, just the stuff that they announced with not what I would, would really, 

Jake: some of the biggest margins you can find in business in general is SA SaaS. So software as a service. Yeah. Yeah. Like you can make a crap ton of money if you know how to write that kinda stuff and put it out the world and market it correctly and, and, and sell it.

Jake: You can make a ton of money. So yes, they're charging seven bucks, but it's not gonna cost them near that. I would guess that maybe, maybe cost 'em a dollar kind of a thing. Yeah, probably not even that much for adding 

Matt Legrand: a user on it will call cost them nothing. You 

Jake: know, pretty much for pennies so. What I would love to [00:58:00] see is a, a lower price.

Jake: Yeah. Like something that really is like, yeah. That, that's kind of worth it. I, 

Matt Legrand: I do think that they probably were, they were aiming for low Sure. I'm guessing some They were, they were probably throwing around numbers like 10 bucks a month. Yeah. And they were like, let's go super low, let's go seven bucks a month.

Jake: And I dunno, I, I mean, again, that's not that much money. I don't think that's super low though. Yeah. That's just my 2 cents. What I would love to see though, is buy a Garmin device and get a year free. I bet they'll do that. Something along those lines. And then have the person fall in love with it. And if they keep their device for another year or two after that, that'd great.

Jake: Then they could pay something that's a little bit less cost. It'd be great for me. I would never have to pay for it. Exactly. I buy, I buy 

Matt Legrand: Garmin devices like every year. 

Jake: Yeah, all the time. All the time. I know. That's just my 2 cents. But I, I, I'll, I'll try the 30 day thing out. Try the 30 

Matt Legrand: day once I start riding outside.

Matt Legrand: Well, I think you're gonna be disappointed. I don't know, maybe I shouldn't say that 

Jake: at some point time. I'll try it out. I just wanna see what it's all about. I'm 

Matt Legrand: looking at like, the active intelligence thing. Again, I hate the name, but like it's, it's not providing value yet, so it needs to dig a little deeper.

Jake: Yeah. [00:59:00] Just a little branding thing there. Active ha 

Matt Legrand: ha ha. Okay, sorry. Sorry. Total rant. We went on a total tangent. Uh, but we can get back to our EPO. Yeah. 

Lance: Yeah. I'm completely uninterested in it. 

Matt Legrand: Did you look it up and kind of you're like, no, this is not for me anyway. I mean, I didn't, but I use 

Lance: a Wahoo head unit, so yeah.

Lance: Do you use Training Peaks? View your data? Yes, I use training Peaks. Are you subscribed? Yes. Okay. 

Jake: Ian is, do you, Matt, do you still use it all or? I use training 

Matt Legrand: peaks. Um, are you a paid subscriber or, I don't use a free every other year. I'm a, I'm like, every other year I pay for like, if I remember, 'cause they usually have a deal around, um, black Friday.

Matt Legrand: Black Friday, and I usually, if, if there's a deal for half, it's half price usually. Yes. And so I usually sign up for a year and then I don't use it that much. Like I'm not a good like training Peaks power user, but I think it's a good program. It's the best tool for analyzing your data. Even though Garment Connect is good, but like training piece is better.

Ian: Sweet training piece comes into its own if you're [01:00:00] working with a coach. Yes, it does. And usually you'll get a free training piece subscription. 

Jake: What training coach would provide something like that? I know who that 

Ian: would be. 

Matt Legrand: Yes. Where can people go to find a coach? 

Intro: Indeed, 

Ian: you're not gonna plug it. Come on, man.

Ian: Dials dial performance coaching com. Brought to you by ian.com. 

Jake: All right, let's move back into the the EPO chain mail. We've got one more question here, and I actually quite like this one. I think it might even be my favorite one, but I gotta come up with an answer for it. Guys have 

Matt Legrand: favorites. They're all good.

Jake: Ish. Ish. Yeah. Okay. Cyclists have so much old wisdom we ride by that maybe shouldn't be followed anymore. What's some common knowledge that we should probably leave behind some, some old school stuff that's still floating around out there. That's like, yeah, moving on. 

Matt Legrand: Leather chaps. Not, not what they used to bes.

Matt Legrand: That's a different kind of biking. Oh my bad. 

Jake: Lance is still wearing a fong when he rides with his, uh, his bibs. Right? That's never going away. [01:01:00] That's 

Matt Legrand: Oh, life. That's a, you're a lifer. 

Jake: Seriously though. What are some old things that have just kind of stayed with cycling that just are here? Just because it's what people have always done.

Jake: Oh, I've 

Matt Legrand: got one. What's that? Okay. This might be controversial. You guys might dislike this, but you know how, um, when you're biking, like the classic signals for turning is like. You hold your arm like this bent and it's like, uh, you're always holding up your left arm. And I think that now that I think it does make sense, right?

Matt Legrand: Because you're the arm that's closest to the outside of the traffic is gonna be seen and you have your like bent arm, so you're turning right or you have your arm out and you're turning left. A lot of drivers have no idea what the hell you're talking about. I don't even know what it means. So, okay, so, so what I do, and this is against the rules, the old school rules, I point where I'm going and I think cyclists know what that means.

Matt Legrand: I could be wrong, like I'm turning here. Do cars know what that means? I think drivers know like if this guy's pointing to the right, he's about to take a right. That's what I think. 

Jake: Right? I don't necessarily disagree with that and I don't think I've, um, used [01:02:00] the, the traditional hand signals, the traditional like hand signal in forever and a day.

Jake: And I specifically have not used it in the last six and a half years because my left arm doesn't work like that anymore. Oh, okay. Okay. My arm just doesn't go up that high. But, um, yeah, I Do you 

Matt Legrand: point to traffic like where you're going like Yeah, I'm going that like I try to make, I eye contact with the driver, like here's where I'm going, here's what I'm doing.

Matt Legrand: I dunno. 

Jake: So 

Matt Legrand: there's 

Jake: one. Okay. Ian, you're old school. What's some old school stuff that you think needs to be kept or you old that are walking away from or vice versa? 

Ian: I don't know. People used to just ride as many miles as possible. Uhhuh, like in the off season, the more miles you do, the fitter you're gonna get, and to an extent there is still some truth in that, like, especially your lower end aerobic power.

Ian: But the, the concept of just doing more and more and more and more miles is mm-hmm. Is, is old school, right? Yeah. A lot of the things people used to do PE people used to believe that. Good for you. Um. Are not [01:03:00] valid. Right. I've got these, I've got these super old, uh, posters around my house of, of uh, like 1908 to de Frances.

Ian: Sure. Drinking beer, smoking cigarettes. Right. Because the cigarette smoke would open your lungs up. But it was, uh, yeah. 

Jake: So we should probably give up smoking then. What? We should probably, it's not stop. Dang it. How about you, Lance? 

Lance: Uh, one of the things, um, that I, that I don't like is I. Old school cyclists that will not share any of their tips or tricks or things With gatekeepers, huh?

Lance: Yes. Gatekeepers? Yes. Like, like new people? Mm-hmm. Like somebody new shows, like you show up at a, like, you show up at a bike race and you see somebody put their number on mm-hmm. Improperly instead of saying, Hey. Let me show you how to fix this. You just like show a, a bike 

Ian: at a road race and people are wearing black socks and Yeah.[01:04:00] 

Ian: Black shoes and black socks. You hit on the thing 

Jake: that I think that I was gonna say as well, and it's just that el elite elitism attitude. Elitism. Yeah. The ELs attitude is something that I definitely think needs to go away. Yeah. And what are your thoughts on that? I, I, 

Lance: we don't, there's no place for it.

Lance: Just, just be accepting. Just, just let people come in. Just, just share your thoughts. Share your, share your tricks. It's not that big a deal. If somebody's gonna beat you, it's not because you shared a trick with them. Mm-hmm. It's because they're faster than you, so 

Jake: you. Kind of lost a race last year because you shared some wisdom with somebody, a teammate of ours, kind of, right?

Jake: Yeah, a little bit. So, I mean, was it drugs, practicing what you preach Yeah. As that elitism needs to go away. Anything else you guys can think of? I, I'd love that question. I just, I probably should have read it sooner. I just, I just read it for the first time. That's interesting. Um, I'm, I, I, I, I know that there's gotta be a, a million things out there.

Jake: It could, it 

Matt Legrand: could almost be an entire podcast topic. True. Especially if we came prepared, which always happens around here. [01:05:00] Um, 

Jake: I, I, I do think that we should circle back to that one. Okay. So. Put some more thought into that for, uh, the next go around and we'll see if we can give you some more, um, some more feedback on that.

Jake: That's a good question. Alright, let's jump into one last thing. 'cause we already did our topic. It was kind of intertwined into the EPO. So let's uh, do one last thing. Matt Lagree. What you got? 

Matt Legrand: Uh, I posted a video this past week. Not many people are watching it, but it is a review of the garment instinct.

Matt Legrand: Three sweet and a lot of like, I actually had three different varieties and three different sizes so you can really kind of get a good, clear detail on what is the optimal purchase because there are a lot of different varieties and a lot of different colors and things like that with that device. It's a good watch.

Matt Legrand: Definitely worth checking out. Um, and if you want the, the. Cliff notes. Uh, I like the watch. It's solid. I think that there's some probably decent values that you could potentially get the Instinct two or the Instinct two x for discount and probably save a little bit of money. Um, Garmin skipped, uh, the updated heart rate.

Matt Legrand: They've skipped a couple other things with [01:06:00] that particular watch, but yeah, it's, it is what it is. Um, so a lot of videos coming up and that is my one last thing. Sweet Gibo. What you got, 

Ian: um, for those of you that live here in the Pacific Northwest, uh, this coming weekend, there's a couple of really good road races coming up.

Ian: Uh, the first one is Mason Lake two. Uh, that's obviously at Mason Lake, which is north of Seattle up there. It's the first of a series of four races for the Pacific Northwest Cup. Oh yeah, I saw that. So, yeah, super interesting. So it's gonna be, uh, Mason Lake, there's gonna be Banana Belt. Spartan Park and, uh, Harbor, Boston Harbor.

Ian: Okay. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, so four races. So two, 

Matt Legrand: two kind of up north and two down here, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Two Washington Tour. It's 

Ian: a collaboration between, uh, Washington State Bicycle Association and obra, and they've got some cool, uh, leaders. Jerseys castelli of donated some, uh, prizes [01:07:00] specific to the series.

Ian: Cool. Uh, it should be great. Uh, Mason Lake is a, is a cool road race. It's. Lumpy, but relatively flat. There's not too much elevation change, narrow roads. Uh, it's safe. It's always a good time. Can you tell if people 

Matt Legrand: are excited about this series or like, is it hard to tell? Hard to tell. Don't know. It'll be interesting.

Matt Legrand: I'm curious to see if this does better, just because it's a little bit of a blending of two Yeah. Bike organizations. I hope so. I hope so. To you. I really hope so. Hope so to you. Hope 

Ian: anyway. Uh, secondly, uh, there is the return of, uh, the Rowena. Rube used to be the Gorge Rube. Correct. Last race in 2018, I think it was.

Ian: I looked back through my, that sounds right. Yep. Str and first 

Lance: time, uh, um, Jake and I ever raced with each other. Yeah. 

Ian: And it it's a beautiful race. Uh, 

Jake: second time 'cause the first time was the dirty circles. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, 

Ian: yeah, it starts in the das Oregon, uh, here in the Columbia River Gorge. So it's super scenic the whole way.

Ian: Uh, goes up the [01:08:00] Rowina Crest curves down to Moia. There's some sustained gravel. 

Lance: Climbing three mile gravel section, dry creek, three mile 

Ian: gravel section. But you dry creek. 

Lance: Yep. 

Ian: You don't need a gravel bike. It's, it's smooth. It's smooth. Um, it's also gonna be the Oregon Road race, uh, state championships. So, quick question.

Jake: So I'm sorry. I want to ask you a quick question. You say it's smooth, it's dirt, it's supposed to rain, um, and you're gonna be on a road bike with road bike tires. Yes. How does that change things on that road? I haven't ridden on that road when it's rained. And 

Matt Legrand: that's kind of my next question was like, okay, what, what bike are you gonna use?

Matt Legrand: I don't think 

Ian: this, they're, they're looking at that much rain in the, in the Dows. Dows, yeah, that is true. That's true. Once 

Jake: you get out there in that neck of the woods, um, the rain really falls off a lot. Yeah. 

Lance: And the forecast of the moment calls for rain later in the evening on Sunday. So it might be dry for the race regardless.

Lance: It's a road race. It's a road bike race. Yeah, 

Ian: definitely. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, like I said, we did it back in 2017 and 18 and it was [01:09:00] always a, a cool event. Um, well organized. So it's you to see that back, did you, 2017. 

Jake: Were you out there racing? Yep. Mm-hmm. That was when you and I raced on Monster Media Media? No, wait, 27?

Jake: No, 2016 was the first year. I did Did you do it that year when we were on Monster Media together? I don't know if I remember seeing you out there. I don't 

Ian: think I did on 16. Oh, wait a minute. Yes, I did. Did you? I did. 'cause I remember talking to you in the parking lot. 

Jake: Okay. Yeah. Were, were we in the same field?

Jake: What, what category way I was racing in the, the four or five field. I had just gotten my mandatory upgrade from five to four, and I, I raced in the four or five field with our teammate Jordan Rickards. So yeah, Jordan 

Ian: was there. Yeah. Yeah. I I was in the, were you, you 

Lance: were in that field too, right? Yeah, I was the same field.

Lance: We have to pack. I took 63rd that day. Nailed it. I remember because I had to like sprint for 63rd place. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, 

Jake: that was a fun race. I was actually, that was a fun, I actually just talking to somebody about that this weekend and reminded me and I pulled up the picture and it, it was, um, when Jordan and I attacked after, well [01:10:00] actually it was.

Jake: Okay, let me kinda back up the, the thing here. Tell a little bit of the story. When we left, there was over a hundred people in that field. It was big. It was huge. Yeah. And when we had the neutral, that car that led us out out of town, um, pulled off and then it's, you know, you've got a mine, you know, center lane rules and whatnot.

Jake: You can't go around that. There was so many fricking people and we were like, in the back, like third. Getting up to the front was gonna be like, it was almost nearly impossible. But Jordan and I managed to, like, every time there was a chance, we would sneak up a little bit, sneak up a little bit, and finally we get to the base of the row, we a climbs and there was like a, a, a line.

Jake: I saw that and I just jumped on it and we. Rode away from everybody going up the row in switchbacks. And there was probably myself and Jordan, I don't wanna say like six, seven, or eight other people, I can't remember exactly, but it was about that mount and we just hammered it all the way up, that thing.

Jake: And there's the sweetest picture going up that, that somebody got, and I'll have to show it to you after the podcast. Uh, maybe that'll be some thumbnail art, who knows? Um, but. I remember we get to the top and we look back and [01:11:00] everybody was gone. It was just like the eight of us and we just kept our noses down.

Jake: We started working together. Yeah, I was 

Ian: one of those that had gone, I think same. I was gone. 

Jake: And then we finally get to the, the Drag Creek climb and we're going up that long dirt thing. Was it like three miles or something like that? 

Lance: It's the whole climbs like seven or eight miles. But there's a three mile gravel section.

Jake: Correct. Yeah. And so we're going up that, and I'm just taking my turns, taking my poles, and we get close to the top and this guy looks over and me and he is like, man, you sure climb good for a big guy? I'm like, gee, thanks. I mean, at the time I think I weighed about 178 or 180 pounds ish or something like that.

Jake: But I was able to keep up with them and then we all, uh. We're kind of hammering and it was fun coming back down and coming down the row we to switchbacks. And I remember being in that section and these guys were not going fast, so they were not being aggressive. And I'm like thinking to myself, do I attack here?

Jake: Should I attack here? I'm like, no, I'm still kind of new to this bike racing thing. And then, um, it kind of levels out and then there's, you know, a sprint finish and you get to 200 K and I looked at back at him and I'm like, I'm just gonna go, just rode 'em off my wheel tears. It was fun. That [01:12:00] was a great race.

Jake: Anyhow, it was a great race. That was fun. Anyway, sorry to hijack that. 

Lance: I remember that was my first ever road race. I did. No way. Yeah. And when it started and we're all like, you know, all together and I'm sitting like 60th wheel, I was thinking. This road racing's easy. Yeah, this is, this is easy. I'm just sitting here in the draft.

Lance: I'm not working that hard. And as soon as it went uphill, I was like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I guess I'm gonna ride the rest of the day by myself. That's fine. 

Ian: They are. Uh, it's a beautiful course though that, that climb, uh, and especially the descent of Rowena Crest is wonderful. Um, the whole thing is, is good. The road service is good.

Ian: The weather's better out there in the Dells. And, uh, I think, uh, looking at the website now, there's, there's gonna be a good turnout, so should be a good weekend. 

Jake: Sweet. Should be fun. Appreciate that. Cool. Showed the guys a picture right there. Three pictures. Yeah. [01:13:00] Um, is that it for you? Hep um, I or no, you didn't even do your thing.

Jake: That was the end. Sorry. Sorry. 

Matt Legrand: Backpedal hep. I couldn't even remember who I hijacked there. Backpedal, not backpedal. One last thing, 

Lance: Hep uh, I, I am continuing with the YouTube, uh, project for the year was kind of seeing it goes. I did how centering. I did cross over 600 subscribers today as we were, uh, doing the podcast.

Lance: So. Nice. Go figure. It's a great channel. It's really good. I've made three or four video three, I think three videos this week. I'm not doing it every day. 'cause I've found that some of the days are really mundane. You don't wanna see that. Mm-hmm. But, um, I'm trying to make it somewhat interesting. So I did some videos on the troll bridge on McNamee and which videos are doing well.

Lance: Um, can you, are you starting to see a pattern at all or, well, the race videos do well. Okay. Yep. Makes the makes sense Videos, learn about Think Your popular shootout is got what, like 20 or 30 K views. Uh, the, the Tucson Shootout video has almost 30,000 views. Wow. Good job, dude. Yeah. So 

Matt Legrand: people, people wanna learn about these.

Lance: People wanna learn about those things. Yeah. 

Jake: It's [01:14:00] cool. 

Matt Legrand: Anyway. 

Jake: Right on. Does it, Kate, that's it. I wanted to just take a minute and say thank you to a bunch of people. Um, first and foremost, uh, thank you Ian for helping out with the, uh, the Michael Myers Memorial Time trial and, and all of the effort that you put into that.

Jake: Um, and all of the, the, the volunteers that came out and helped us out, I wanted to thank our sponsors, um, who I had to sit there and, and corral and, and like beg and plead and ask them for all kinds of goodies and whatnot. So, you know, there was a bunch of great prizes that came out that we were able to hand out, which was a lot of fun.

Jake: There were, yeah. Yeah. Um, wanted to thank all the racers. Sue came out and all the people that came up and, and took the time to say thank you and, and how much they appreciate it and they're looking for forward to next year and saying, Hey, when are you gonna have like two of these in a year? And every year we get that.

Jake: Like, when are you gonna do two of these a year? When can you do one? Like in the summertime? I dunno. We'll see. Maybe one of these years. Um, again, want thank our teammates that came out and raced and volunteered. You guys are all fantastic. Um, I also wanna take a minute and just thank our, our listeners to this podcast because they keep sending us all these great EPO questions and whatnot.

Jake: That's great. And like I, I [01:15:00] was, I've always wanted to be able to connect with them that way. We've just never had the capacity to do that. Now that we have that feature, I love the fact that people are taking advantage of that. We get some great questions out of it and it it, it could almost drive the entire podcast just answering these questions 'cause they're great questions.

Jake: So thank you for that. And please send more. Um, I also wanted to, uh, say a big thank you to one of our new bike brands, factor bikes. They are bending over backwards and they're taking exceptionally good care of our team and they're really doing a lot of cool stuff for the lab. And we're still working with some other great bike brands as well.

Jake: But these guys are a little bit new to the game with us. Um, we've been working with them for, gosh, it's coming up on a year now, but I can't tell you how much. Of a pleasure. It is to work with them. Like I get to do all the, the back behind the scenes and getting to talk with these guys. They're the coolest bunch of guys and, and all they wanna do is see us succeed and they wanna support our team, they wanna support the lab and everybody who's been on their bikes absolutely loves them.

Jake: Lance, our bikes will be here very soon. I think they're shipping, I think. Fingers crossed. I think they're gonna sometime next week. So what guys, 

Matt Legrand: what are you [01:16:00] guys get gonna be riding like a road bike from them? 

Lance: Yeah. Road bike factor. Uh, otro Van 

Matt Legrand: Otro V. 

Lance: Yep. 

Matt Legrand: I wanna learn a little bit more about the name.

Matt Legrand: So it's, it's their 

Lance: arrow frame road bike. 

Matt Legrand: Nice. Yeah. Cool. What's cool about that is, what are the tire clearances? 

Jake: 30, 30, I think three or 32 or something like that. Yeah, I, it, it's pretty sizable, but Love it. Love it. It's an arrow frame but it's a lightweight bike. It's still right up in there with a lot of your traditional kind of climbing bikes, if you will, in terms of like the weight, but you got the aerodynamic benefits of it.

Jake: So, you know, just big thank you to those guys. Appreciate it. And uh, yeah, I think that's it. Thank you to you guys too for putting up with my crap. Oh, that was what I was gonna say too. One last thing to thank people for is thank you for giving me the grace to get caught up in my, um, everything. I was gone for a little bit of time for, uh, family vacation and I was already backlogged on everything.

Jake: I've been really bad about communicating lately, and then I left for a vacation and came back and I, I, I was expecting it to be like kind of bad. It was twice, three times worse than I thought it was gonna be. Taking myself out of that hole is gonna be. Forever in a day. I'm slowly getting there [01:17:00] and I'm trying to chip away at that as much as possible.

Jake: But, um, thank you to everybody who's been patient with me, so appreciate that. Alright, I'm gonna shut off now of, where's that button now on? Nope, that's the wrong one. All right. I was supposed to say Jake's shut up, but anyway. All right, that's it. We're done. We will be back next week with another one of these.

Jake: Thank you very much for listening. Until then, right now.

HBD Matt: It[01:18:00] 

HBD Matt: celebrate celebrates, and you cut the night is your destiny. Oh wait, the Sam's House with your closest mate is your.