Dialed Podcast 362 - New Tech Drops & Why are Race Fees Increasing?

We breakdown some reasons why racing is getting more expensive and possible ways to combat the increasing cost while supporting the promoters. We also discuss the new tech drops from Wahoo, recap local races from last weekend, and dig into the Paris-Roubaix.  Enjoy the podcast!

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Chapters

• 1:04 Intro
• 1:39 Backpedal
• 13:27 [Ad] Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
• 14:07 (Cont.) Backpedal
• 29:26 EPO Chain Mail
• 45:36 Leadout News
• 54:17 Face Fees
• 1:17:25 New Wahoo Tech
• 1:33:32 One Last Thing

Transcript

Go Tonk!. Have you seen me yet? In my BC clette against Tools Out, you can come and tweak these steps. I got a vicious cycle. I'm riding a bright dog. The places that I go, the kids go psycho rips in feet.

You're listening to the Dialed Podcast with Matt LeGrand, sir Ian Gibson, Lance Heppler and Jake von Duering. Here is another Chinese proverb for you. A crisis is an opportunity writing in dangerous wind. If life is crazy upside down for you, make sure you always look for that opportunity. It's there somewhere.

Paddles to match his beast thinner than

leather. VE painted side. See you in hell. I don't think you're some kind of healer. 

I'll handle it. Lois, I read a book about this [00:01:00] chart I thing once. Are you sure it was a book? Are you sure it wasn't nothing? Oh yeah. 

Jake: Hi and welcome back to the do podcast. Jake von Duering and I’m here with Lance Freaking Heppler 

Lance: Lance Freaking Heppler in studio I'm with right here in studio.

What's up your Heppi-ness now? Good to have you in studio. I made it. I didn't leave the house for like four days, so I'm glad 

Matt: to be here. You need to stretch your, stretch your legs. Get out. See the, see the outside world. Hey, guess what? What? 

Jake: Oh, that's me 

Outro: sitting 

Jake: to his right. How do you do Sir Ian Gibson? 

Ian: How do you do?I do. Good. What up, Gibo? That's good. Very well, thank you. Cool. 

Jake: And last but not least, everybody's favorite. Matt LeGrand. 

Matt: I don't know about favorite, but what's up ladies and gentlemen of the internet? You guys look, they astic. I dunno, I dunno where I'm going with this. Where are we going with this podcast, Jake?

That works. 

Jake: I know. Let's, let's go into some back pedaling. Who, who, uh, who's got some back piling to back pedal. 

Matt: Yesterday was day 99. That is, that's correct. I think. Yes. Yeah, that's because I only, I only read, like, I scroll through, uh, Strava or whatever and I see [00:02:00] other people's post to figure out what day it is for our challenge.

The challenge is ride a hundred days in a row. An hour or more. I've been doing the hour part, but not the more very, very strict. It's like one hour, one second time entire, in the entire a hundred days, I've probably biked a hundred hours and 30 minutes or, or less. I mean, there's like nothing more. I was, I was out riding with David Goodman.

Um, I don't remember. I think maybe. Last, this past weekend? Uh, no, it was this past Friday and uh, it was sunny, it was gorgeous or whatever. And then like we get back and it's like an hour and five minutes and I'm like, dang it, Goodman, I can't be, I can't be putting in this extra time, man. It's too much extra.

Well, man's gonna have to take a nap. 

Ian: So today is, is the last day of your season then? Pretty much 

Matt: of my season. Yeah. Season's over. When are we doing this challenge again? I'll see you guys next year. Yeah. Um, yeah, so I think the only outdoor ride I did was that ride with David Goodman. We did a nice little route where we went past Lance's house.

Yes. And then [00:03:00] we, um, rode around on like the Evergreen Highway thing. There was actually this like little. I thought we were gonna have this weird connector piece that I had never done before and it turned out to just be like this little loop. But I was still quite happy with the, the extra little piece that I had not done before.

Whenever I bike with Jake, it's been a while, but like whenever we used to bike we'd be always be like, I don't know where this goes. Let's go check it out all the time. Yeah. And it was that just like ride around and get lost. One of my favorite things to do. But uh, other than that, a little bit of swimming and a little bit of running.

Not a lot. I think I ran three miles yesterday. Things are going okay. Things are, I'm surviving at this point. Good. I did not swim today. I was going to, but. Trying to get a video out the door. So today's your hundredth ride. Are you gonna do anything special or is it gonna be on the trainer? Oh, maybe, maybe I'll go for an hour and 10 minutes or something.

Jake: Wow. Pizza. So I do know that, uh, teammate Randy Frost put something on the calendar for everybody that's doing the do 100, and they're doing it tonight. They're leaving from the [00:04:00] lab, and I think he's got about an hour-ish long route that's planned. I think it's a two bridge looper kind of thing. Oh, that's cool.

And I think there's a handful of people that are gonna show up to that, that are actively 

Matt: doing the ride. So you should maybe 

Jake: consider doing that. 

Matt: I'm already like, I don't even know how I'm gonna get my hour ride in. I'm double booked tonight. There's like a meeting in Portland I'm supposed to go to, and then I've got, uh, track practice.

So let's wrap up this podcast guys. Mid roll? Yeah, let's roll Gibo. 

Ian: Uh, yes. I went bicycle racing again this weekend. Yeah. Yeah. It was truly. Awful. 

Matt: You're selling it for the people. 

Ian: It was horrible. No, I was out at Hag Lake for the Banana Belt Road race. Um, usually That's such a cool course. It's a great race.

Um, it just, the weather just fell apart. Um, it was supposed the rain was supposed to hold off, but it didn't. And as we pulled into the parking lot, it was just throwing it down. Um, the warmup was just. Dreadful. Just getting pre soaked with rain. Oh, geez. You remember, uh, [00:05:00] you remember racing Kings Valley all these years ago?

Jake: How could I forget 

Ian: that? How could I forget? That was what it was like. And that the same thing. I was totally hypothermic. Yes. 

Lance: As matter of fact, I, I texted Ian said, Hey, how'd the race go? And, and he said something like, it was freaking terrible. Worst experience of my life. And I'm like, oh, kind of like Kings Valley a few years ago.

He said, exactly, yes, I was, 

Ian: you get past the point of shivering where you actually, your limbs are shaking. You can't get your cycling cut off. It was, uh. 

Jake: Yeah, for your, yeah, there was a lot 

Ian: of D DNFs. Yeah, 

Jake: I can imagine. 

Ian: And I was, I was so close. It was four laps and I came through on the, uh, penultimate lap, past the finish line and it started raining even harder.

And I'm like, I could make it stop right now, but oh my gosh. Just stayed on. Anyway. Anyway, uh, re race recap. It was, um, spicy, a smaller field due to the weather. I guess it was probably [00:06:00] 30, 35. 30 

Lance: you raced with the 40 year olds? Six, seven. No, the 50 year olds. 

Ian: 53, 4 fives and 60 plus open. Uh, it was part of the Pacific Northwest Cup series.

So there was some guys, some hitters coming down from the Seattle area, plus our own hitter teammates. Um, 

Lance: they're the worst. 

Ian: Oh, they're the worst. Well, yeah, right. 

Lance: They're fast. Chris, it looks like there was only about 20 people in the combined field. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, wow. That's, that's really small from that race.

Yeah. 

Ian: There was a lot of people. There was a lot of dnss people that had signed up. Didn't show up. Yeah, that didn't show up. But, um. Yeah. You know, Chris Nel is, he's, I don't, I, that guy is so strong. 

Jake: Yeah. 

Ian: This, you, you, there's fall laps around the, uh, around the lake. And when you, you come across a dam, which is, is about a third of the way into the lap, I.

And then you take a left and you go up this short, sharp hill and it's probably only five or 6%. 

Jake: It's [00:07:00] a little bit more than that, but it's about a what, a minute and a half, two minute climb ish. It's about 

Ian: a minute and a half. 

Jake: Yeah. 

Ian: Minute 15. 

Jake: Climb just enough to create some separation. And it's just steep enough to where like you can make people hurt a little bit.

Yeah. And it, it kind of hurts. And if people surge, then if you're not ready for it, you can get put in the wrong spot. 

Matt: But there's almost nothing 

Jake: flat out there. It's up or down. Yeah. No, but it's all rolling 

Ian: stuff. It's all rollers. But you know, when you're in the group, um, 

Matt: you don't know, do the 

Ian: momentum kind of, kind of carries you over most of those rollers.

Except for this one. That one on the back stretch 

Matt: back there. 

Ian: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, we were going up there, I was going up there at 500 watts or so, you know, every for, for a minute. And then Chris, Joey, jojo. 

Intro: Mm-hmm. 

Ian: The whole time he is looking over his shoulder, gonna make a move, gonna make a move, and, and he attacked off the front.

I gotta say four or five times. Sure. And when he finally got away, I think everybody just breathed this eye of relief. Like, [00:08:00] thank God that guy's gone. Thank God that guy's gone. We can just chill out. And we were chilling. It was getting colder and colder anyway. Yeah. Hannah had gone, I stayed on, um, it's, you know, behind you, you're trying to draft, every time you get behind somebody, you're getting a face full of water and dirt.

Oh, that's, that's the worst. My glasses were fogged up, so I took them off and then I was getting water in my eyes and you can't see. Yeah. Couldn't see. And that's my legs were feeling like lead. Yeah. You know, the, my muscles weren't 

Jake: working. When you're doing racing conditions like that, it is so hard to make the right decision.

Yeah. For the clothing. 'cause as the old adage goes, there's no such thing as a bad. Know whether there's just bad clothing choices, but when racing happens, that's different because you don't wanna overdress and like blow up. You don't wanna underdress and have like the whole like, like Right. Just like freeze to death kind of situation.

So I mean, I think is it better to like err on the side of being a little overdressed, a little warm and a little heavier in that I don't, I don't 

Ian: know if I could have done more [00:09:00] like I have my GABA rain jacket on. 

Jake: Sure. And, 

Ian: and that thing is warm and. Water repellent, let's say. Yeah. Uh, it's a great garment for racing in.

But even that, I was just, I don't think I could have, I, I guess I could put another layer on Sure. And it would not have been too much. But again, you know, it's like you, your body caught, your body's trying to keep the core warm, I think. And, and the blood just leaves your working muscles. Yeah. And your legs feel like crap.

Jake: Those are the, the three things that are the most important in that situation is keep your core as warm as you possibly can. Yeah. Because that will keep your extremities a lot warmer. I mean, that's just science. Yeah. And then the other thing is, is like protect your hands and your feet as much as you possibly can.

'cause if your hands are numb and you can't feel anything, that's a, dangerous, and b just sucks if you can't like shift or fill your bars and like, it's just terrible. And then if your feet are just like. Completely turned into icicles. You can't feel those either. Like, this is stupid. So try and keep those as dry as you possibly can.

So like a good set of velo toes. Yeah. Over like, something that's gonna keep a little bit of insulation in there, that'll work well. And then get yourself a good pair of like, [00:10:00] uh, you know, waterproof gloves and then the core, I mean, you just gotta try and keep yourself Yeah. Dry and warm without going over top.

Ian: It was hard. I mean, it was raining so hard and, and that was the deal. My core temperature was going down, so my, my legs stopped working. And then, uh, so I got over that climb. I say a climb, it is just a short ramp really, but like I said, it's, it was, it was 500 wat efforts and, and the last time up, um, my legs just would not respond.

But I think looking back. My own performance. I think I'd already kind of admitted defeat at that point. Like I was just trying to get by. I'm like, I'm not gonna make it at this, uh, last climb. And sure enough, you know, the, a gap opened up and I couldn't get on it. So I came in, first of all, it was Chris, Joey, jojo, uh, I don't know how much lady had over us in the end.

Couple of minutes I wanna say. And then there was a, uh, uh, the, the main group. And then there was us probably [00:11:00] 30 seconds behind that. Mm-hmm. And then there was the stragglers. Yeah. And then there was all, all the did not finishes, but Oh, you know, fair played to traves. He put on a great event. It just, it just didn't work out this year.

And yeah, that's bad. That's just the way it goes. In the 

Jake: Pacific Northwest, in the springtime, you never know what you're gonna get. It could be a beautiful 70 degree day and just absolutely perfect. Or it could be that. Yeah. Yeah. But in hindsight, I think. Handel probably had the best idea. 'cause he's not dealing with all that road spray.

He's not getting all the grit and the grime and the extra water put on top of him. And yes, he's gonna get the rain, but you're not getting all that extra stuff in your face. That is what, and then you're working a little bit harder, keeping your core temp up a little bit more. And if you get in that position and you've got the right mindset means blowing up over here, it's probably handle telling him to stop talking about him.

But, uh, if you got the right mindset wants in on this con wants in on this conversation, make it happen, then you're in a good spot. So, 

Ian: well, yeah. You know, he had the right idea, but he, he's got the horsepower to back it up. Mm-hmm. Like if I had that idea too, but it wasn't gonna happen for me. [00:12:00] I was already on the limit.

And that's, that was the amazing thing. There's a lot of, a lot of us were on our knees and he just like. All casually just rides off the front and casually I would say he was pretty casual about it. He never, Chris, never really attacks. Never. He is not like an explosive attack. He just rolls off the front, then he looks and he'll do it enough times.

Does anybody with me? Nope. I'm gonna keep going then. 

Outro: Yeah, 

Jake: he's amazing that way. Yeah. 

Ian: Good job Hannah. Sound better. Yeah. 

Lance: Panel one. Uh, our other teammate, John Hatfield took second and another teammate, uh, no, no, pardon me. John took third. 

Ian: Yeah. 

Lance: John Hatfield took fourth. David Barna took second. That's 

Jake: right.

Yes. Good job, Barna. So, uh, that's a good result for him. And not that he's slow, but that's fantastic for him. Yes. I'd love to see that. 'cause that guy, he rides a lot. He writes a lot. Yeah. Super strong guy too. 

Lance: Yeah. And Ian's being, you know, humble here, he took second in the 60 field even though he got dropped and or whatever got dropped means in quotation marks.

Ian: Yeah. I knew, I knew [00:13:00] Ron. Ron, I forget his last name. F Yeah. He was leading the 60 plus for the. Northwest Cup. He's come down from Seattle. Very strong dude, great guy. Met him in, uh, Arizona when we were down there. And, um, but yeah, second, great. There was seven of eight of us. 

Lance: There was seven. There was seven 

Jake: in the 60 plus field.

Yeah, right. It's better than seventh place, I mean. Yeah. Third place even. Right? Anything else? 

Ian: No. Um, I, I don't know. I've been keeping my writing going. I'm still up at 98, 99 CTL. I'm keeping the volume going. I'm back in the gym. Um, that's it. Cool. Yeah, that's all I gotta say. Basically 

Jake: Hepler, you do, you do some bike racing?

Lance: I did do some bike racing just to, to complete the banana belt story. I woke up Sunday morning with an option to go do Banana Belt, saw the rain and said. F that? No, that's a hard No, it [00:14:00] was a hard, no, it was, it was kind of tenuous whether I could get away to do that race anyway. But, um, I did spend like three or four days just at my bedside with my wife as she was recovering from the surgery.

And so that, that took a little bit more than I was initially anticipating. I thought I'll be able, at least to get on the trainer. I couldn't even do that for like three days. Really? Yeah, because I was 

Ian: worried about you. I kept looking on like, where's. Three days. 

Lance: Yeah, it was a lot. Well, every time I think, okay, I can go do this, and then there'd be something that she just needed help with.

Those first three days were harder on her than she anticipated. So, and we all kind of didn't anticipate. So, you know, I, mudslinger was the mountain bike race that was on Saturday. And um, I actually told all my teammates, Hey, I'm not, I'm not gonna make it. I, there's, there's no way I'm gonna be able to like disappear for 12 hours because that's what it would take.

'cause I'd have to drive down there, do the race, wait around a little bit and then drive [00:15:00] back. And so I didn't think I could do it. And, and, uh, Saturday. It was Friday night. I'm like, Brandy, I'm just not gonna do the race. She's like, well, did you already register for the race? And I'm like, yes, I did, but don't worry about that.

I'd make my, you know, donation to the race promoter occasionally. And she's like, uh, no, just go do it. You're gonna be miserable if you stay here. And I'm like, it's just, it's just a bike race. There's another one next week. Were you reading the line 

Jake: between the lines? She's like, Lance, get outta here. I'm tired of you.

Lance: I think, I think it was more that. So I've said, okay. So I woke up that morning and again checked with her and she says, yeah, go do it. So I jumped to the van and buzzed down there with like no preparation and no like pre-write, which I normally do and mm-hmm. But musing was an odd year. This year. It was sunny and dry.

Start 

Jake: contrast to the banana belt. Yeah. Yeah. So it was the 

Lance: day before the banana belt, and it was 70 degrees and sunny down there. And [00:16:00] this race is never, the, the joke is, is that every seven years at musing they have a dry race. So the next dry race won't be for like until 20, you know, 32 or something like that.

Yeah. So it was, but I went down, showed up and, uh, we had a few teammates there. He only had about 200 people racing, which was a bit of a bummer. It's a bit light for that race. And yes, given the fact that it was such a nice day, it was such a nice day. Uh, Mike Ripley puts this race on, he, his whole promotion company is called Mudslinger Events.

Sure. And it's named after that race. And so he said, you know, all you people who tell me, Hey, I'll do Mudslinger when it's dry, you're all a bunch of freaking liars because it's dry and only 200 people pre-registered. So, uh, which was a bit of a bummer for him, but. Um, you know, three days off the bike, my legs felt fantastic, but my fitness is not the, quite the same as it was, and, and I started with the, the cat one field, which is where I [00:17:00] am.

I'm having to start this year. I. And, um, you know, I could hang for the first four or five miles, and then I just slowly got dropped. I never actually felt terrible. I actually felt like I rode really well. And I rolled into the finish and saw that I finished eighth in the 50 plus field and was thinking, oh man, that's, that's actually not too bad.

And then I found out there was only nine people in my, in my field. So I was, see, it could be that right there, you know, I was second to last and I'm like, oh my gosh. I got, I got kind of smoked, but the race was great. We had a bunch of teammates who did well. Um, our junior teammate, uh, Evan Hal Halbleib, Hal, I don't know how you say his last name.

Anyway, Evan, he's 17 years old. Uh, lives down in the Corvallis area. He took second. Overall good job, Evan. Yeah, so he crushed it. He did a great job. Um, it, the race was won by Felipe Nystrom, who is a local elite writer who's been around for like a [00:18:00] decade here. Um, and, and Evan just couldn't quite hang with him for the full like two hour race or hour and 48 minute race it was for them.

So, so, but still he did great. Um, uh, a 58-year-old took third place. Oh, wow. Who? Jonathan Meyers. Okay. Well, he's crazy fast. He's crazy fast. He's still 

Jake: 58 and gosh, it's, and 

Lance: Myers was an elite racer for, for a decade or something like that for a long time. And so, but he's 58, so he's racing in the camp, you know, one 50 plus field, which is where he should be racing.

Sure. But, um, he just, he raced really well down there, so that was kind of exciting. Cool. So, great race. I didn't feel too bad afterward, just frustrated that Okay. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna have results to speak of really this year, which is all good. So. Well, 

Jake: for what it's worth, and I've told you this before.

When you go out there and you have like a, a mid-pack cat one finish. 

Outro: Yeah. 

Jake: I'd be much more proud of that than beating the entire cat two field by two minutes. 

Outro: Yeah, 

Jake: [00:19:00] true. But it's not as fun. It's not as glorious. Not as fun. But it also gives you something to work at too. It does. I, it's like, all right, well what can I do to go from this position to this position?

How do I get on the podium and what race can I then identify that really suit my skillset the best and really focus in on those as opposed to just going out there and, you know, mopping every mo Exactly. And killing 

Lance: everybody every, in, every race. Clearly the glory for me is more motivating than, than the opportunity to improve 

Jake: that.

That story is, that feels good, but that's a, a story that you've played quite a few times. Yes. With your new glorious YouTube channel, this will be a fun little adventure for people to follow. Yeah. To follow along. Yeah. And see your channels. Great. That's 

Ian: true. Like nine 90% of people who go to these races never, never see a podium anyway.

No, that's 

Lance: true. That's 

Ian: you gotta 

Lance: actually doing the YouTube videos is. Is making the story more interesting, right? Mm-hmm. Because I'm not just riding away from the cat two field. Yeah. Which, which, and I shouldn't be in the cat two [00:20:00] field anymore. I'm clear about that. Yeah. And if 

Jake: you were still in there, you would be getting heckled, like nobody's business.

Like Oh great, you're, yeah, yeah. Right. Here we go. Yeah. Again, good storyline. So yes. And not for nothing. I'm enjoying watching this on the YouTubes, not just 'cause you're one of my best friends out there. It's because I, you honestly, you're doing, doing a great job with them. You're doing good. And the storyline is fun, you know, and I get to see what heckler's up to.

'cause I'm not out there recently with you, but I also get to watch and see how you're growing. Sounds going. Yeah. 

Matt: Well, thank you. So what, what's the sub subscriber count? 

Lance: I'm at like six 40 or something. You're gonna 

Jake: a thousand soon? I'm, I'm working on getting to a thousand thousand's. Gonna be cool. Yeah.

And considering you started with almost none and you just started doing it this year, that's fantastic growth. That first thousand is always super hard. It's really hard. If you are listening to this, go to YouTube and check out Lance's videos and give 'em a follow, a little subscribe. I, I need the subscriber, 

Lance: I need the, I need the click on subscriber.

If you're listening to this, you haven't subscribed to my channel yet. Please just get on it. Just click the subscribe button. Well, you need watch time and subscribers to get, I've already got the watch time. 

Matt: Okay. 

Jake: You're good then. Yeah. Make sure you [00:21:00] go into the, uh, comment section too, and heckle a little bit.

Yes, please. I respond 

Lance: to the heckles 'cause I don't have the respond, you know, in reference 

Jake: the podcast so that we know that you're actually listening too. That'd be kind of cool. Yeah. Then maybe we'll do something for you. I dunno. Anyway, fun times. 

Lance: Yeah, that's it. That's it. I, well, I did, I'm still trying to train and do some things and, uh, but again, it's limited because of my wife at the moment, which is totally fine.

Jake: Yeah. Yeah. That, that too will pass. And you'll be back after it. So not for nothing. You probably needed a little bit of a break just to kinda let your body regroup. I probably did, yeah. But it was more than I wanted. Cool. Um, for me, not much to report. Did a bunch of Wies Wif stuff. Did you go, did you go out?

However? Okay. I did ride a bicycle, yes. Outside. Was it that day? I rode outside. Was that Sunday? 

Matt: I don't know which day it was. Saturday. Saturday. Matt, Matt invited me to 

Jake: go on a ride outside. Well it was a last minute. 

Matt: Like, I gotta go now. Well, we used 

Jake: to do that all the time and, and it is what it's, yeah, I generally love doing that kinda stuff.

Oh yes, absolutely. I wanna stop everything I'm doing right now and go for a bike ride, because that sounds fantastic. However, I'd already committed to my wife to go [00:22:00] run some errands and yada, yada yada. Mm-hmm. Anyway, it was last Thursday. I showed up to the flogging ride. It was a season, did the flogging kickoff ride.

And because of the way that it worked out and because, um, I told our good friend, uh, and, you know, colleague of the lab, Paul, that I would hang tight and make sure that, uh, we waited for him in the, uh, the A group. I kind of put myself in a corner and I had ride with the egg group and I wasn't quite ready for the egg group.

At least mentally I wasn't. So anyhow, um, we sent everybody out. It was. Oh, beautiful day. So I'm kind of surprised that the numbers weren't quite as big as they were. Um, or act, they, they were smaller than they should have been. Basically. I think we only had like 20 ish people show up and usually, like for the season kickoff, you'll see, I don't know, 35, 40, 45, 50 people sometimes.

And this time it was just a little bit light and it was funny 'cause a lot of people felt like, you know, compelled to come tell me like, Hey, I'm so sorry I couldn't make it. This was going on, that was going on there. I think it was just one of those things where like, I don't know, the stars weren't aligned for, for too many people and they just couldn't make it.

But anyway, it was still a good ride. We still ended up having, um, a decent a group and had a really decent B group as well. [00:23:00] And once we, you know, reconvened and had the second half, that made for a fun second half as well. But I did not die. You hung. I did not die and I hung of the horse. But, um, it was the first half we were going out there.

I'm like, I'm feeling a lot stronger than I was thinking I was gonna feel. And it was there. There's a, a, a one longer ish kind of climb going up that, that hawkinson crawl, I think is what the segment's called on two 92nd. Um, there we were going at a pretty good clip and as a matter of fact, I was off the front for a little bit and I don't know if it was what the circumstances were behind.

I think it might've been somebody like held up at a stop sign and didn't turn even though they could have. And I got some separation. But anyway, long story short, I was off the front for a little bit and like, this is surreal, this is should not be happening and everybody catches back up to me. And then we've got a teammate who Ian's been coaching and Ian.

Quick coaching, so dang, well quit coaching people to be so damn fast. 

Ian: Let me, let me guess, Tom. 

Jake: No. Oh, gin. Gin. Holy crap. Is he getting fast? So many people that are also so fast, to be 

Ian: honest. Gin's not with me right now [00:24:00] anymore. 

Jake: Oh, he's not. Well, you did coach him, so for a little bit, right? Yes. You did work with him.

Okay. And maybe you just got him up to this cruising altitude that he's at now and he's just crushing out there. But anyway, we were all going on in a, a pretty good clip and then all of a sudden outta nowhere, he just drops a freaking nuclear bomb on us and just goes flying by. I'm like, well, that's great.

We'll let him go out there and dangle. And, but I'm like, if everybody tries to respond to that, I'm not gonna go with that because A, I don't think I can, and b, I won't be able to finish the second half a ride. And sure enough, three or four people went and responded to that and I'm like, I have to let them go.

And if I can, you know, like if they settle down and I can, you know, potentially bridge back up and I knew that there was another group that we had dropped of the other half of the group. If they came back on, then maybe I could work with them. But I was kind of stuck in no man's land and, and never truly caught up to 'em.

Anyway, I, I let that go. But the second half, we, we did all of our things and everybody went super strong and I did fantastic on the ride until we got almost home. There's like one last hill and I usually like, love to crush up this and it's a little road called lake and it's a nice little climb. How long would you say that is?

Half a mile. It? No, it's a little bit longer [00:25:00] than that. Is it more than that? It's a little bit longer than three quarters of a mile. It's about three quarters of a mile maybe. But it's, it's a decent little gradient, but it's not like super steep. But it's just steep enough to where you kinda have to put in a bit of a dig.

I usually will go up at that somewhere between 450 and 550 watts, somewhere in that range. Yeah. And that's good enough to create separation. And I can even attack and then create gap and then come over the top and then it's just a long time travel before we get to the downhill section to where that's where like the fireworks happen.

Right. And sometimes you can get that, that breakaway and just make it stick all the way to the end. I was trying to kind of hold the pace at the front and we got about three quarters of the way up and all of a sudden my legs were like, ah, you're done, buddy. Oh no, both quads, craps. I'm like, oh, crap. And so everybody starts to go and like, Jen, even like was being super nice 'cause that's just how he is.

He, he like, like, come rides up next to me. And he's like, oh, let's work together. Catch everybody up. You, you got this? I'm like, Nope, I'm done. You keep going. I'm actually gonna peel off and go home. And so he's like, all right. And so he just naturally just catches right up to everybody. And then we're on the top of Lake and it's flat and I'm like, breaking grant, breaking crap.

And I'm thinking back in, it was about two and a half years ago when all of my hip [00:26:00] issues kind of, yeah, it started to happen. It was, when I did something like that, I'm like. Just go slow, spin it out, let 'em shake 'em out. And I was like, coasting All the other stuff. I'm like, all, I'm just gonna ride home nice and soft and easy.

And then I have one last steep climb to get home. And every single time I go home, it finishes with this stupid 400 and something foot climb. And over a short period of time, I'm like, all right, just gonna go super slow, super slow. I pass the road where you go to Matt's house and my quads are like, crampy, cramp, cramp.

Go up a little bit further, cramping even more, get up to the top or almost like to the top where it's like the, the apex of the, the steep climb before like gloves up just a little bit. And I'm like. I have to turn around. I turned, I literally turned around. You had to turn around and coasted back down and went down Matt Street.

And I'm like, you should have come over to my household, giving a ride home. I had, I was struggling to get off my bike, and once I got off my bike, I'm having to hold my bike and trying to like unlock my quads. I'm like, somebody's probably looking out their house window going, what is this idiot doing? And I, I, I finally got them to settle down enough to where I could sit on the grass.

I'm just laughing at myself. I'm like, this sucks. And I'm like, all right, I've gotta do this. [00:27:00] Get off the phone. Um, wife, can you come pick me up? She starts laughing at me. She's like yelling to the kids. She's like, I told you, if your dad was gonna call, your dad was calling you. It was him calling. It was because he wanted me to come pick him up.

Oh, 

Matt: I would've gotten you home and you could've just like not said anything. Said like, nothing. Walk in. Yeah, no, that would've been 

Jake: so, but that whole thing, I, I think it was part because my body just wasn't used to that kind of intensity. Yeah. And then the other part was, is like I, I, I went back and kind of like started thinking things through from the, the, the whole day.

I'm like. Yeah, I really didn't hardly drink any water today. And I, I went into, it was a really busy day at the lab. I didn't eat very much and then I was like running around trying to get everything ready and like, you kind of get outta practice of doing that. Yeah. When you're just like conveniently walking in and jumping on your trainer and then all of a sudden you gotta be like race, ready to go do this kind of a ride.

And so I'm trying to get everything ready again and everything was perfect and there was no, I didn't miss anything and I was able to get out the door in time and made it down there in time and I'm like, oh, there was that one thing of like, food and water. I didn't do any of that stuff today. So. 

Lance: My guess is it's probably more [00:28:00] muscular fatigue than it was food and water.

Jake: It, it was both, yeah. To a certain degree, but the muscular fatigue part of it, that was probably more, yeah. You know, I, I'd probably say was like 60 or 70% of the, the issue there. Yeah. And that'll, that'll like sort itself out in due time. But my God, was I sore for the next four days? Five days? Yeah. Oh my gosh.

And like through the night, my calves were cramping. I'm like, this is ridiculous. I could make this stop. But anyhow, um, that was my traffic return to riding bikes outside. And it was fun. It was glorious, but man, are you gonna do it again? Yeah. Out there tonight. All right. So, unlike yourself, I cannot go tonight.

It's gonna rain. It looks like it's, yeah. Yeah. What's the question? Is it, is it really to start raining again? It's supposed to start raining. Turn around three. 

Matt: Yeah. Turn around and look outside. It looks like it's spin from 

Lance: like three to eight. Is supposed to be rain tonight. Yeah. All right. 

Matt: Well, enough of that.

Outro: I did it with nothing but my own blood, sweat and tears 

EPO Chain Mail: and extra blood. People don't. Yeah. You know, this is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the [00:29:00] line and dozens of fans. The 

Jake: stakes are medium. Come on. How do you beat the man on drugs 

EPO Chain Mail: if you not on drugs? Wait, did you just admit to being on drugs?

The EPO chain mail. Send us a text with your questions. Forward this podcast to 15 people and you'll lose 10 pounds overnight without even trying. 

Jake: You've got mail deal. Hey, uh, champ Bailey's running a little bit late getting here. We'll, uh, we'll touch base with him in just a few. There were so many people though that sent us EP stuff.

I just wanna make sure we got all that in before Champ. Let's go with the chain mail. Got here and talked our ears off about racing stuff. Champs taking crap. And then he'll be a 

Lance: while, he'll be a while. 

Jake: He's backed up a little. So let's, let's jump into the first one. It's funny 'cause we asked for, uh, a bunch of people to respond and, and the people delivered.

They gave us lots and lots of stuff. So we'll try and get through this stuff as quickly as possible. Um, and have fun with it. And I think we'll have to count up 'cause I'm not sure if some of these sent multiple things. I think they're all gonna count in what we say, 20. We'll do a live podcast. That's right.

Something along those lines. So who [00:30:00] knows, maybe we hit 20. But anyway, let's start with the first one. How good is entry level now? If I buy an affordable bike, how good is it versus higher quality bikes of the same, of the past 

Lance: entry level? Good question. Yeah, that is a good question. Entry level bikes are good and have great, 'cause even entry level components are very good.

Just, that's what I was thinking about too. They're just heavier Yeah. Than the. Better that more expensive 

Jake: stuff. So if you are comparing like the, the entry level bikes of today with, you know, we'll just use this for sake of an example, let's see. Get like yourself a decent, like, uh, an O2 level frame with like rival group set on it, which would be akin to like the 1 0 5.

Um, you, it's gonna have a certain amount of weight to it. Like if you take that same build and you go back, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, it's like. Top of the line. It's like 

Lance: top of the line. It's 

Jake: top of the line. Yeah. That's what the top shelf stuff was weighing at that time. So 

Matt: how good is it? I think that, it's interesting because I always think of like Shimano 1 0 5 as kind of the entry level component set, and they al they have a, [00:31:00] um, they have a electronic 1 0 5 now in a regular 1 0 5.

Is that correct? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. The, the problem is when I think you, it's a big price jump from electronic to, to the regular and yeah. The weight differences is there, but like electronic 1 0 5 is probably really good. I haven't ever ridden it, but like, I assume like it's going to connect your, it's gonna be crisp shifting.

Yes. It's mechanical. I mean, it's not mechanical. It's, it's electronic, so it's gonna shift pretty rock solid. I mean, that's a great set to, to consider for people. I think it's like a thousand bucks extra. Yeah, I was gonna 

Ian: say 1 0 1 0 5 is not entry level. Really. Yeah, you're probably right, 

Matt: especially when you get the electronic 1 0 5.

But for the of upper tier stuff, like your tier 

Jake: one stuff, that's gonna be like the, the yes. Bottom part of the entry to the top tier. So 

Ian: I guess so yes, there's, there's the weight penalty and also the, they probably don't, in, in a lot of those, um, group set materials are not as robust, so your [00:32:00] components may, uh, wear out quicker than they would be potentially.

Yeah. But, but then again, most, most people never. Realize the shelf life of their components. Like, uh, your, your group set is still going strong and then you upgrade. Yeah. Most people never, never put enough miles on to even see that difference. Three years, 

Matt: three years later, they're ready to try something different if they're into cycling.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The other thing is, I think integrated cockpits or, or something that you would not have on an entry level bike. And I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I mean, um. 

Lance: Oh, that's okay. Yeah, it's, it's totally okay. It's, it's weight. It, you know, it's weight. 

Matt: It's weight. And, but it's also like, with that, I feel like it's, it's, yes.

Slightly older tech, it has a different feel to it, but I, I also feel like it's more adjustable. 

Jake: Yeah. I was gonna get into that as well. If you're newer to the sport and you're getting it to an entry level stuff and you don't really know what your fit truly is Yep. It doesn't take much to, to adjust it just to make your fit feel much better.

But if you start right out the gate with a, a, a one piece cockpit, [00:33:00] 

Outro: yeah. 

Jake: You're gonna find yourself spending a lot of money to, to change it. Get another one piece cockpit maybe once, or heck even twice, depending upon how your fit progresses. And 

Matt: then I feel like there's, it's just more compatible, like you can just like this, like stem and this and all these little things.

Like, oh, I'll just change this. Sure. I'll just change that. And it's like all easy breezy when you don't have, you know, the latest, greatest integrated system. Yeah. Kinda like that with TT bikes where you're like, you, you work on this bike and it's a nightmare. Um, yeah, I feel like newer. Or I, I feel like entry level bikes are just easier to work on.

Mm-hmm. In a lot of ways. Sure. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It's kinda like the difference between working on like a, I don't know, like a Yep. Like a Ferrari and like working on like the Honda. Exactly. Oh yeah. Everyone, it's easy working on the Honda. It's easy to get parts, it's easy to do all these things. Yeah.

Correct. Anyway. So we gotta keep moving on this 'cause we got a 

Jake: lot. Yep. The new stuff is good. So don't, don't disclose it. I mean, not disclose it, discount it. Make sure that you, um, you know, you, you get into something that works best for you. Don't feel like you have to go whole hogan. Go crazy. Yeah.

[00:34:00] Alright, uh, the next one and that was from Portland, Oregon. The next one comes to us from, uh, Joplin, Missouri. Um, try carbs fuel gel. Uh, good nutritional flavor. 50 grams of carb per gel for two bucks. Best value out there. Ooh. Right now. So that's 

Matt: probably in response to our Martin gel conversation. Yeah. So awesome.

I love hearing about new concept, new prices. Yep. Have you guys tried 

Jake: Carbs Fuel gel? No. Gels? No. Haven't 

Matt: tried it. Haven't either. So 

Jake: that's good. Good to know about. Good to know for sure. Alright, moving on to the next one. Uh, coming to us, uh, from Vancouver, Washington. All right. What is your biggest cycling pet peeve?

Mine is tinted driver's side windows. So I guess that would be a pet peeve as a cyclist not being able to. What about people? What people that chew 

Matt: chew loudly as they, that's a pretty big pet peeve too. Yeah. Misophonia is a real thing. What if they're chewing loudly with their tinted windows? 

Jake: Man, I can't even seem 'em to punch 'em in the face.

All right. But yeah, as a cyclist and having to interact with motorist and not being able to see them because the windows are too dark, that is definitely a pet peeve worth, um, having. So, yeah. [00:35:00] What do you guys have as far as pet peeves are concerned? It's just people 

Lance: who pass me too closely. 

Jake: Cars or cycl cars.

I mean, this person wasn't specifically talking about cars, I don't think, but um. But just as a cyclist in general, that is, uh, definitely a big pet peeve with the cars as well. 

Matt: What about, have you guys ever like, been out, like, you know, like given a decent effort or whatever, you're, you're on some flats or whatever, and then you just like realize that there's someone on your wheel?

Like, have you, has that ever happened to you guys? Just get a free ride. Whoa. Where'd you come from? Where'd you come from? Let me know, bud. I don't care if someone gets on my wheel and like, but like, just like a, Hey, I'm here. Like communicate. That 

Lance: has happened to me a time or two. Isn't that weird? Yeah. And I just, and then when I realize somebody's there, then I start pointing stuff out.

Like, right, yeah, there's a rock here, I'll help you. I don't, I'll help you. I'm happy that can sit on my 

Matt: wheel. I'm fine with that. Exactly. But just like a, Hey, thanks for the pull. Like, you could say anything. I don't care what you say, because I'm all on board. I'm like super pumped that someone's on like there, but like, it's so funny to me that they're, they're like secretly [00:36:00] there.

Like once you find out that they're there, how often though, do you all of a sudden kick up? 

Jake: Oh, yeah. Lot. Just a little bit. Just to see if they can hang, 

Matt: but also I just feel like the, there's this initial shock of seeing that they're there, that it's almost like scary, like, whoa, like, and then you're like.

Then, then yeah, then you kind of get back into position and, yeah. Watts go up a little bit. Yeah. What about if 

Jake: said person sets your wheel and then they come around you and then you're like, oh, that's cool. That person just passed me. And then they only come around you just to like exert dominance or show you that they're, they're all this and that and the back of chips, and then they get off the front and then all of a sudden they start to slowly drift back and you're like, alright, then you gotta pass 'em again.

You're like, by turn around and like 

Matt: looking and back to see where you are. Yeah. And you're like, oh, that's not good. That happened to me the other day. There was just like someone that was out on McGilvery or somewhere, the guy ahead of us, and then they were just like, starting to fade, starting to fade and we're like, oh man.

Ian: Yeah. When, when is it good? When is it safe to look back? Like if you, if you actually pass somebody. Doing that. Don't look [00:37:00] back. Don't look back. 

Matt: Don't look back. Yeah. Can then 

Ian: you, you can just kind of sneak a glance between your arm or something. Look, look for a shadow, or look for a shadow. Listen to, 

Jake: you know, this, that and the other.

Yeah. Um, that's, that's a good one too. Do you have any other pet peeves? Yes, I 

Lance: do. I have one that bothers me very much. It's people who have headphones or earphones in walking in the middle of the lane and cannot hear you coming because like a 

Jake: the hiker or a walker or something? 

Lance: Hiker, yeah. Usually hiker walker.

And then you come by 

Jake: them after yelling 15 times that you're on their left and then they see you and they jump outta their skin. I'm still mad at you. Yeah, because yeah, you exist. 

Lance: We just don't know. Are they gonna just inadvertently turn left or are they walking a dog and the dog is gonna shoot Left.

It just, if they can't hear you, they can't. I. Just they, they don't know you're coming. And that, that bothers me. Yeah. So then I try to buzz 'em as close and fast as possible. Just like those cars that, that also piss you off. Yes. Also, 

Matt: it's totally different though. Yeah, that's right. Totally different. [00:38:00] 

Jake: Um, what about riding in groups?

You get the people that, uh, you know, you're, everybody's taking polls and then you get a person that comes to the front and they just will not peel off and they'll take this pace from, I don't know, 23, 24 miles an hour, and all of a sudden you're doing like 18, 19, and it's like, dude, peel off. If you can't hold that peel off, you're, you're killing us here.

Right. Does that bother you? 

Lance: That does bother me. Yeah. Especially if we're all trying to move at a certain pace. Yeah. 

Jake: Or people that start. Cutting in, in certain spots or having, I know, just good group writing etiquette is, is a pee of mine. All right. That's a, that's a good question. I like that. Do you guys have anything else or should we move on?

Let's move. All right. Next person. Yeah. We got a lot to get through. Exactly. The next person asks, um, thoughts about doing a live show at a race like Washugal or a cyclic cross race. And an interesting point about this one is, this is coming from Colorado Springs, Colorado. 

Lance: Oh, 

Matt: yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I think we could do one at a race.

We've talked about actually like an like kind of being like announcers at the race and talking through, I don't know. 

Lance: Um, we could definitely do one [00:39:00] live at a race. We could, um, there would be the actual pa announcer over the top of us, so, and music playing over the top of us that would kill the podcast, which would make it difficult for them to hear us 

Matt: and races are loud.

Lance: Yeah. Hmm. I 

Matt: don't 

Lance: know. Fun. That's that's an interesting idea though. But. Um, you'd want it to be like a short track race and not like a cross country race where you only see 'em every 30 minutes. A Cyclecross race would be fun. Yes. Lots of noise too. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that would 

Jake: be fun. 

Outro: Yeah. 

Jake: Cool. Alright.

The next one, um, is more of like a, I think just a ringing endorsement of Think something I said in our last, uh, podcast, um, Eddie team trial. Sounds great. And that's coming to us from Camus, Washington. So that was a first time, um, commenter. So I think that. I think that that would be popular if we put that out.

There's gonna happen. Eddie Team time trial. Yeah. Michael 

Ian: Myers Memorial time trial will have a, 

Jake: an Eddie class. Eddie Uh, Eddie. Team class. Eddie class. Yeah. 

Ian: We'll, [00:40:00] we'll make it happen. 

Jake: Sweet. Yes. Love it. All right. The next one comes to us from Salem, Oregon and they say best places to use. Wait, hold on a second here.

Best places to use mountain bike training within an hour or so of Vancouver. Reading that verbatim, um, seems like most of the other closer places I can find are multi-use paths. Um, Rocky Point notwithstanding, it's a bit farther to drive and not super practical during the week. So Lance, you're probably our best resource here.

What are the best places for doing some mountain bike training within an hour of Vancouver, Washington? 

Lance: Well, uh, hams Lake does have a few trails we 

Jake: were talking about going 

Lance: into Round Lake. Yes. We gotta, we gotta do that. So they're, they're just not long. There's not, they're not, they're not long. But if you loop several different trails, you can get mountain bike training.

But 

Matt: you can also, I feel like if you're doing intervals, like you could go do a warmup, you can go down Yes. You could down like Heritage Trail and do all that. And then if you wanted to do intervals at Round Lake Spot Yes. Then you could be like, I'm gonna do a two minute interval. Yes. And you could also [00:41:00] probably make that into a loop.

Yeah. And that would be pretty ideal. We do, we 

Lance: do a Wednesday evening ride during the summers. Yeah. At, in. On mountain bikes in that area. And we generally find some spots where we can do quote unquote interval sets. 

Ian: What's the, what's the place out by Sandy? That's, so that's, that's gotta be less than an hour.

Fromwhere, Sandy Ridge Ridge is more like an hour, it's it called 

Lance: Sandy Ridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more like an hour and a half from Vancouver. Um, you know, Rocky Point is an 45 minutes from, from Vancouver. You have the Yakult Burn area Cold Creek area, which is north of Vancouver in the Yakult area.

That's, that's less than an hour away. Yep. And there's lots of good trails out there. Sure. Some very good stuff. That's it. Those are your options. Yak Holt Lacs, Sandy Ridge, Rocky Point. What about Tarbell? Would you consider that a good place to train or is that just uh, it's the same as Yak Holt that you think Cold Creek.

Okay. Yeah. It's all in that same area. 

Jake: Okay. Yeah. Cool. Alright. Um, we'll call it this one, the last [00:42:00] one. It's, uh, dialed 100. Ride. 100 of 100 came through this morning. Thanks. This was good motivation to get the year started. Yeah. And that came to us from Connecticut. I like doing 

Matt: it January 1st. I think it's, I mean, we used to do it.

Um, 

Jake: I do, we used to do it in the fall. Lets do it. So the, the times I did it before, and let me explain why in just a second. But it would start like midgut and it would end on Thanksgiving. So we were being thankful. Yeah. I did this one year I started and I, I did not set out to ride a hundred days in a row.

Yeah. Just randomly I decided that I'm gonna ride. Just, I wanna do like, um, I think it was like a full month or something like that. And then I, and there was a reason why I was doing that Yeah. At the time. But I wanted to ride every single day. And I gave myself parameters of like, you gotta ride for at least an hour.

It's gotta be every single day. Let's see if you can block out a month on the Strava calendar. 

Outro: Yeah. And 

Jake: I'm like, all right, well, let's just keep going because I'm feeling pretty good. And I went for another one. I'm like, what if I finished and just did a hundred days in a row? And by chance it just, it finished.

The hundredth day was on Thanksgiving. I didn't tell anything about anybody about this. I just was doing it on my own thing. I'm like, well, that was [00:43:00] kind of cool. And then a couple years go by the, and this was, I did this before I started the dial cycling team. Yeah. And then a couple years go by and I'm like, I'm gonna do this again.

Who wants to do it? And there was a bunch of people like me, me, me, me, me, Mike. Fantastic. And so, yeah, I figured out everything. I'm like, all right, we're gonna finish on Thanksgiving and we're gonna do a hundred days in a row. And it, it worked out really well. Did it again the next year, and then I ended up writing for 501 days in a row, which was crazy.

Completely stupid and idiotic. But, um, it just ended up being kind of a fun thing and I thought a couple times, like, all right, um, maybe we should change it up just a little bit. Have it finished on New Year's Day. Oh, which would be kind of fun and that would force you to ride through the holidays, but that's really hard riding through the holidays.

So true. Putting this all into perspective, I think starting on January 1st makes all the sense in the world. I like it. You know, you don't have to worry about like travels with holidays and all that other stuff and you get to like fresh, clean state to start over. How that actually plays out with a training program though, if you're following a training program, I mean, you can make it work.

'cause 

Lance: it, it still could, it just, you, you, your rest dayss aren't as restful. 

Jake: [00:44:00] Well yeah, you just have to go really slow. Easy. You're soft peddling for an hour. So anyway. Yeah, I like 

Lance: it. 

Jake: So, good idea. Good job on Randy Frost too. For, um, taking the bull by the horns. This was a hundred percent his idea to start on that date and made it work for a hundred days and to finish this today, so I know there's 

Matt: quite a few people I've seen just, I'm only like scrolling Strava and I don't, I don't have everyone in my group.

Yeah, so people in Strava. So I've seen a lot of people that are just like. 98 of 100 or whatever. So people are doing it well, I 

Jake: guess a, a testament to making it work while training and racing. Jojo Junior, shadoo Chris, he's doing it as well. He's doing it as well. And yeah, look 

Ian: what he's doing. Does he do any training though?

I. He's just fast. Like, well, he gets just fast. 

Jake: He will do some structure stuff on Swift and he's getting some just the, the base stuff when he is just commuting to and from work. So 

Lance: he also doesn't, he also has Wednesdays off, so he does a longer Yeah. Harder ride on Wednesdays. Yeah. I've gone with him thinking I'd be okay and I wasn't, not easy.

All right, let's, uh, 

Jake: Bailey Sports 

Matt: Champ come [00:45:00] outta the toilet 

Lance: Champ. His crack his brains out. He's ready. 

Jake: No. Dorothy Mantooth today. Champ. What you got? Dorothy Mantooth. Okay. 

Lance: Oh, I love Dorothy Mantooth. Uh, we, we gotta start this by talking about Tour of Flanders. Uh, yes. It was a fantastic race to watch, even though I, I woke up with 120 kilometers ago and rolled back over and went to bed.

I still ended up getting up and watching like four hours. Whoa. Or three hours of live coverage. Was it, was it on max? No, it was on flow bikes. Okay. So my what what about Perry Rue? Roue is on Peacock. Peacock. Peacock, 

Matt: okay. Yes. All right. I 

Lance: think that's doable. Maybe so, so that should be more doable. So, uh, yeah, it was a, you know, it was a great race to watch.

We knew it was gonna be a battle between Vanpool and Char, but, uh, uh, wow. Hung in there really? Well, Mateo Jorgenson hung in there for a while, and Mads Peterson hung in there really Well. Yeah. But, um, it just, you know, a race that's 170 miles long with like [00:46:00] 15,000 feet of climbing or more. Um, whereas where the first a hundred miles of the race only has like 3000 feet of climbing, all the climbing comes at the end.

That's why Tour Flans is such a difficult and storied race. Um, but, um. He, uh, Poot got away the third time up the Claremont, they go up that Claremont climb like three times. I don't know if you've watched the video, but people were 10 people deep up that there was like stadium like seating and like all this VIP stadium seating, but people were still like 10 people deep.

Right. All the way up the Mont. Yeah. It would be so exciting to be there and watch that race. Like standing on the Mont, you 

Ian: basically right in the middle of the Belgium farm farmlands. Correct. There's nothing else out there. There's nothing 

Lance: else out there. It's just Belgium farmlands. But, um, PO got away and held him off.

I think he ended up winning by like a minute or something like that. Um, 

Ian: I read that [00:47:00] that last time at the Clemont. It wasn't, he, he, it looked like Poche dropped a hammer and just went faster than ever. But he, he actually went faster the time before that. Yes. It's just that everybody else was fading.

Lance: Correct. 

Ian: So he, he did punch it, but it wasn't as fast as time up there. It wasn't quite, 

Lance: wasn't quite able to do it. And, and that right before the last time, while Van Art like attacked at the bottom and tried to like, give himself a little bit of a kick before the last time up the Remont and it, it just didn't work 

Ian: well when I watched it, like I turned on, uh, I had to watch it on YouTube and I watched, I got the extended highlights and I saw that wow, van Art was injured this year and wasn't racing.

And then I was watching the whole race and it, it kind of looked like it was unfolding like it did in 2024. I'm like, that's cool, van. The polls won again. And then, um, I got to the end of the whole video. I'm like, wait a minute, let's, [00:48:00] 

Lance: that was 2024. I spent 30 minutes watching, watching the wrong year, 

Ian: watching the wrong year.

That's 

Lance: brilliant. That's a, anyway, that's a problem of your, of the number on your license plate or your, or your driver's license. Yeah, it's your age. That's what it's, um, anyway, so, uh, Todd a wins. It ends up being a three person sprint for the rest of the podium. And Mads Peterson was able to out sprint, both him and, uh, Vanderpool and w was literally like half a wheel length behind Vanderpool for fourth.

So they, it, it was a super exciting race to watch. That brings up, you know, w did pretty well. He's coming back from his injury. Um, but if you recall the, the Wednesday race, the Doors Van Jordan, I don't know what it did. I butchered it, didn't I? That's good enough. Good enough. Nailed it. What are you talking about?

But, um, you just gotta be confident. VMA Lisa Bike completely botched that [00:49:00] race, not. They had, um, they had, they had a four person break that got away with like 40 K to go with, with Mateo Jorgensen and W Van Art and who else was in there? I can't remember. But, and, um, and Nielsen Palace from EF Education, so it was, it was three on one.

And, um, Nielsen Palace ended up out sprinting while Van Arc, he was cramping up a little bit, if I'm not mistaken. He did cramp up a little bit and, and, and they could have shed him earlier by attacking him. And we took the full blame for that saying, I mean, the way, the way you, when you're three on one, the way you shed that one person Yeah.

Is one of the teammates attacks. Yep. And you have to wait for that third person to close the gap. 

Matt: Yeah. 

Lance: And eventually he won't be able to close the gap anymore. And usually the person that attacked will have gotten away. So there would've been a chance [00:50:00] if they tried to shed him that wow would not have won that race.

It would've been one of his teammates. True. His teammates really wanted him to win it because that was the race he crashed in last year. He really wanted to win it, and they thought, no, we're gonna be able to out Sprint, Nielsen Palace on this, on this final end. Nielsen got them. So they took a whole lot of flack and a whole lot of heat for that.

And I can't even imagine the kind of pressure that wow Van Art was under before heading into that race and then heading into tour of Flanders, you know, for him to win, you know, to redeem himself. Is he actually gonna be the, the Belgian that all the Belgians wanted to be so much pressure. But, um, so it was good that, that he, to see that he did well at tour of Flanders.

So. 

Matt: I don't have much else to, to talk about. Next week will be, next week will be interesting too. Is it Saturday or Sunday for Peri Rube? Sunday. Um, 

Lance: it's Sunday. Yeah. 

Ian: So the women's race is on Saturday. Women's 

Lance: race is on [00:51:00] Saturday. Mm-hmm. Uh, the men's race is on Sunday. It's on Peacock. Um, Taday. Pcia will be there.

Wow. Van will be there. Uh, PCIA, um, um, Vanderpool will be there. So big names. This, this race won't favor poot as much because Right. There's not as much climbing. It doesn't end with as much climbing. I feel like this race 

Matt: is a survival of like, who doesn't break their shoulder. Like, who doesn't break their ribs?

Who doesn't 

Lance: flat, who doesn't break their shoulder? I mean, who, who, who can could, who can move over the cobbles and not lose time the best. And so 

Matt: this could end poaches, you know, summer plans, summer are grand tour planes. If it crashes, yeah. It could mean those cobbles aren't soft. 

Lance: No, it's not. Anyway, so per rue should be very interesting.

Matt: Be careful out there, guys. Yeah. So they listen to the podcast goes Of course they do. They 

Lance: listen. Any other questions for, uh, champ Bailey [00:52:00] before he heads back to the crap, he's kind getting back on the pot. He had 

Jake: some bad Taco Bell yesterday, 

Lance: or was, I know. Well, is 

Ian: this a good time to make predictions about power Rube?

Yeah. Who, who, who's gonna win? 

Lance: Matthew Vanderbilt. I still think Todd will do it. 

Intro: Hmm. 

Lance: But that I, it's a complete tossup. I really do think it's a tossup. Yeah. Because you don't, man, you just don't wanna bet against Poot. He's so good. And he pins a number on and he just kind of feels it. But this, this race does not favor him as much as Flanders does.

So 

Jake: instead of picking or calling your shot, let's just break it down to two things. You're gonna take Todd, or you're gonna take the field. Ugh. 

Matt: Which one is it? Oh, if that's the case, then I would take the field. Taking the field. The field. I think the field is a safer bet. Just 'cause like, this is the type of race where you like, it's like this in like the first couple of days of the tour where everything's just chaos.

Like the chaos just means like some random person's gonna win. It could, 

Ian: I think the, the race is so hard and [00:53:00] so unpredictable that that, uh, the, the chances of all four of those top guys coming out unscathed with no mechanicals, with no crashes is virtually nil. So I think at least one of them is not gonna be there at the end.

Right. So I'm going for, wow. 

Jake: You can take Wow. Effectively take the field. I'm gonna take the field too. I don't think that Todd's gonna, I think something's gonna happen now. Hopefully he doesn't crash, but they, there's just gonna be something that happens to your, your luck can only run so far. Stay healthy, please.

Exactly. I think it might be more bike related, but we'll see. But anyway, I'm gonna take the field. I. Cool. Okay. There we go. All right, anything else jump out? Moving on. All right. Our topic for this week actually has two things. Let's jump into these both quickly. 'cause now we're at about almost an hour. And oh man, we gotta get through two things here quickly.

So, uh, we gotta be quick. First one, quick topic. Why are road races getting so expensive? Ian and I were having a little chat before the, the podcast started, um, that kind of led into this, but the Washington state, uh, road bike racing [00:54:00] championship is coming up. Is it this weekend or is it the following weekend?

Yeah, this weekend. Yeah, this weekend. Mm-hmm. So that race in particular is quite a bit more than what the average bike race has been, but on the whole bike racing for road related stuff is starting to creep up there in cost. The race coming up this weekend for the Washington State Road race, um, is 90, 90, 90 bucks.

Yes. And a lot of the road races have been a hundred if you, uh, day of, day of. Yeah. Gotcha. And then a lot of the races have been in the ballpark of, we'll just say roughly 50 bucks. A lot of these races used to be closer to like 30 bucks. So I think that the low hanging obvious. Fruit there is gonna be, you know, inflation.

Yeah. Inflation across the board. Everything's more expensive, so it's gonna cost you more to put it on, but it just seems like it's gone up quite a bit more. What are some of the reasons that are, um, leading to that? What would you Well, I would argue that Chinese tariff road racing is, 

Ian: is not expensive.

It's, it's Chinese 

Matt: fault, Chinese tariffs. It's killing us. 

Ian: I would argue that road racing is not expensive. It, it's the most expensive of the formats to, to put on. Sure. Yeah. Um, it's, it's got the [00:55:00] most. Cost associated with it. And for some reason that the cost of, um, entry to a road race is not kept pace with the cost of, let's say, gravel races or, yeah.

Jake: It used to not be as prohibitive in terms of like the, just the cost for like the permits and the flaggers and all of the other things like outhouses. All those things used to not cost quite as much. It's police and flaggers that end up costing much gone up, yes. Way up. And then like actually getting all the permits and the insurances, all that stuff has gone up as well.

Again, inflation across the board, but um, when you compare it, what it costs to put on, say like a gravel race. It's, it's far more for a road race than gravel, but the gravel has cost a lot more in terms of like what it costs to go into, do a race. Like we were talking about the golden, was it Goldendale?

Ian: Goldendale? Yeah. The, 

Jake: the gravel race. What is that, like 85 or 90 bucks to do that race? Yeah, it's a 

Ian: grand Fondo. So it's not even a race. It doesn't even have any, they didn't post results, you know? Yeah. Well 

Jake: they do post results. 

Ian: Uh, do they? Yes. Okay. They do. But 

Jake: yeah, because you can race it if you want.

[00:56:00] There are, you do get a result and people that go out there, 

Ian: but it, it's not a, it's, am I getting this right? It's not sanctioned, it's not like an OB racer. Correct. Instead A-W-S-B-A race. 

Jake: Correct. But they still give you a results. Yeah, 

Ian: and, and you get a t-shirt, you know, that's usually on the gravel races.

They throw in a few extras, like a swag or something. A 

Lance: t-shirt or a bottle or a cup or something. 

Ian: Yeah. But get this, when Lance and I were down in Arizona, both of those races were like $180 or so for three days. And you got nothing. You got a paper number. So paper number three 

Jake: races. Yeah. Over that. So you're paying 60 bucks a race, but 

Ian: one of the Yeah.

And one of them was like a 10 minute time trial. Sure. Yeah. But then look around this, they had cops, uh, in the lead vehicles for each one of those, uh, groups out on the road. Sure. They had cops, um, doing traffic control. They had like 50, 60 porta potties. They, I mean, it is such a huge production. Mm-hmm. So much more involved in putting a [00:57:00] race on, on, on public roads than, than off road.

And so, I don't know. I, I, I think as a promoter. People should pay more to enter these races. Really? A hundred percent 

Matt: agree. Yeah. I feel like at this point, like I'm really comparing this to like running decent sized races and triathlons and like road cycling has not kept up. I don't know. Promoters are there to, it's a business.

They need to make money. They're not doing it. I mean, yes, they're, they love the sport. They're trying to promote the sport and all this stuff, but like. It still can be a business. And those are the, you know, when you have that, you're gonna have a successful company that's leading the way that's like making some money out of it.

So they're willing to push hard for these races and that can make the whole sport more successful. I don't think, like, I don't think you would talk to like a triathlon, you know, or like a running race company that's gonna go touch any race that's under $70 for a fee. Like there's just like, there's no, there's no margin there.

Sure. Like, what are they doing? They're just, [00:58:00] they're like, why would we do that? We, we should be charging 150 for these races, so, and yeah, we're gonna provide you with t-shirts and all this swag and like, you're gonna love it and you're gonna get a medal and all the crap. But like. It's, they know how to do that and make money.

Mm-hmm. And I feel like road promotional pieces are a little bit more amateur. And I say that like, no, no, 

Ian: it's true. I think offend them, 

Matt: offending, I know I'm offending the people at the table, but like, you're doing it more because you're like helping the sport and, and 

Ian: road. That's, that's what I was about to say is road races is putting on road race is still pretty much a grassroots type of thing.

Mm. You, you rely on the community, you rely on people's loyalty, you know, to show up even if really they don't want to 'cause the weather's. Oo, you know, you, you, you know, the promoter, you help out. Like these road races rely on an army of volunteers, people coming out to, to donate their time. So there's, it is a [00:59:00] lot more grassrootsy than say, well I feel at least than, than the, the, the, uh, gravel scene, which is more.

Seems to be put on as a, as a, uh, commercial professional, commercial enterprise. 

Jake: I think right now though, there's, there is a challenge. I mean, yeah, the simple quick answer is like, yeah, raise prices, you know, go from 50 bucks to a hundred bucks, but how is that gonna affect things if you've already got like a smaller pool of people that are wanting to come out and if they're gonna feel like they're being charged even more, they're like, yeah, I dunno if that's gonna be worth it.

Or maybe instead of doing five races, I'm just gonna do one or two and I'm just gonna pick the ones that are gonna suit me best and I'll show up to those so that I spend the same amount of money. Because, you know, you can only charge 

Ian: as much as people are willing to pay. True. And I think 

Jake: that's kind of where we're at right now.

People are afraid to raise the prices even more because they're already dealing with a small pool of people. But 

Matt: there, it's not like a black or white like charge a ton or charge little, there's so much gray area. There's all kinds of stuff you could do. You could even have like a early entry is. $75 or $60.

Yeah. [01:00:00] Late entry is $125. Mm-hmm. Like the people that are probably, I'm just gonna say like me, maybe Lance or whatever, we're looking at the weather, we're like, oh man, that's a, 

Jake: but does that get you fishing in a bigger pond? I mean, if your pond is only so big with so many fish and you're, you're, you're captivating is a, a good percentage of all those fish, are you gonna get even more people?

Or is that gonna enable you to go to a bigger pond with more fish to get more people to come in? 

Matt: I think that, that's a good question because there's probably a lot of people that are like, well, I'm not gonna sign up for this raise early no matter what. And then if I sign up late, it's like $125. So they're, they're just maybe not gonna do it.

I don't know. But I also think that as a, as a promoter, like there's real value in having your early entries. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Figured out. And, you know, the bumping the price up is a way to kind of discourage people from waiting too long. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I dunno. I, I, I don't disagree with you. 

Ian: It's hard to set a price really?

'cause you, at the end of the day, you don't know who's gonna, how many are gonna show up. Yeah. And it depends on a lot of things. [01:01:00] One of the, the biggest thing is the weather. Yeah. Um, so if you have 50 people less than you thought you would have, show up. That can, that can turn a, um. A reasonable profit in, into a loss.

Gotcha. Yeah. Nobody wants to lose their shirt on a 

Jake: Yeah, well, like any, especially 

Ian: all the work you put in. Yeah. 

Jake: Any business venture, you want it to be successful. And there's very few that actually, you know, go out there with the intent of just breaking even. I mean, teams will sometimes put on something just with the mindset of like, at least if we just, if we break even what we're happy to do this year over year, and you don't wanna even see that, for instance.

I mean, you would love to see a team be able to make a few bucks, put that into their coffer so that they can. Do team related things or take care of people or help 'em on some way or another. But for a promoter, that's kinda a for-profit thing. And a lot of people don't understand how much time and energy goes into making that happen leading up to it.

And then the actual day itself, there's a ton of like angst and stress and anxiety because you want everything to go off without a T and you're also worried that you're gonna get enough numbers. [01:02:00] And then when it's all said and done, like if you look back and you're like, oh, that's great, I made, you know, 500 bucks in my pocket.

Well, how many hours did I put in for all of that? If it works out, I made like 75 cents an hour, that's not worth it. And that's not gonna be sustainable, and that's not gonna be something that person's gonna want to continue to do. So being able to have them create like a living wage, that that's super important.

So let me ask you a question, like, what are some ways that we can make that be less of a problem for the promoter, where they can actually, like they can eat from what they're, they're doing here? The, the, the simple answer is like, get more people to come out and race. Well, yes, that's of course that needs to happen, but on the flip side of that, well, what are the expenses that go into putting on a race and how can we mitigate some of those?

Or where do we need to be asking questions or how can we do better to lower that that. That barrier of at least starting the process of doing a race, knowing that, right, if, if it's gonna cost me $3,000 to put on this race, how, where's, where's all that money going and how can I maybe get that down to $2,000 so that there's an extra thousand bucks that I can keep in my [01:03:00] pocket?

Or maybe throw towards like a little bit of advertising and marketing to get more people to come out like. What goes into a race? You've coming fresh off of doing the Michael Myers Memorial Time trial. You're getting ready to put on the Barton Park, um, you know, road race. What are some expenses that you have to incur just in order to have that venue set aside for you and know that you've got the manpower to make it happen?

Ian: Yeah. Well, the biggest, the biggest expenses, your traffic control. Uh, luckily we've te I've teamed up with flag master racing, Dave Flanagan. 

Jake: Fantastic people by the way. And if you're in the Pacific Northwest and you're putting on bike races, hit those guys up. Yep. They're good. 

Ian: They're totally reliable and, um, do a great job.

But however, you know, like a road race, you, you could conceivably need 6, 7, 8. Yeah. However many flaggers. That's expensive. Yeah. Next, next issue. Uh. Public bathrooms, uh, porta-potties, that's massively expensive. And thirdly is your permits and what [01:04:00] you gotta pay. Well. Thirdly is your permits where you have to pay the local municipalities to, to get permission to put on the race.

And lastly, you pay your, um, sanctioning body. 

Jake: Yeah. A percentage of every person that registers. Yeah. Lemme start off the top real quick. Sure. Let's talk about flaggers. When I first started racing here in the. Pacific Northwest and under Abra. Um, I got to know some of the promoters, you know, pretty early on, and they kind of gave me a glimpse behind the, the curtains to see what was going on.

When they put on a race, they used to just put out an ad on Craigslist to pay somebody 10 or 12 bucks an hour to stand there and just hold a flag and they would tell them what to do. And for the most part, it worked out pretty well. You find a decent person and you start to build a little network and you can rely on them and they come out and make some money and you pay them, you know, cash 'em out at the end of the day and buy 'em some lunch and they're happy as a clam to go out there and, and do that kind of stuff.

Or you had like people on your team that would, or that would come from the teams and volunteer to do that stuff. Things changed and the, the municipalities started to say, no, you have to have certified flagger and they have to, you know, come [01:05:00] from, you know, this kind of a, an organization, you can't just go find any Tom, Dick or Harry.

So you could send your own people off to get certified, but that was a, again, a cost and it was time and all that other stuff. So it went from being like 10 or 12 bucks an hour to I think, what is it now, like 45 or 50 bucks an hour per flagger. Then you sometimes you've got 5, 6, 7 flaggers out on course and you're out there for god knows how many hours.

That gets expensive. Yeah. Really fast. So people start to say, well, if I'm gonna do this, then I need to find a, a route that's gonna work, that's gonna not have a bunch of intersections. And that, that, that narrows things down. It gets really difficult. So that's, 

Ian: that's part of it is, is designing a good route where, you know, everybody's riding right hand corners.

Sure. Um, right. But still, still, uh, like Barden Park, I think we need six or seven flaggers. Mm-hmm. And that adds up. Sure. Uh, Barden Park also going to the bathroom thing, so later on in the season mm-hmm. That's usually included. You, you get your permitted for the park and then the. [01:06:00] 

Jake: The bathrooms are opens.

So for the Michael, my memorial time trial, there are bathrooms out there where we stage up and we pay the city. We pay both the city and like the parks and rec department. Weren't there multiple layers to the permits that we had to pay Three 

Ian: permits? 

Jake: Yeah. It's three different permits that we had to pay for, like the city, the county, and I think the park itself, which is kind of ridiculous if you ask me and you that's on top of paying your taxes to, you know, make all this stuff happen.

But that's another point. But, 

Ian: and all the fees they collect from people going into the park in every 

Jake: person that drives in there pays three bucks to park. So they're making money every which way to Sunday. There. The the thing that really burns me up though is you're paying for all this stuff. You're paying for the, you know, like your, you're taxes and you're paying for all these permits.

You're paying for people to come in. They can't quote unquote de winterize the, the, the bathrooms by turning on the water so that you can have somebody go in there and flush a toilet. Instead, you have to use outhouses. And in years past, they would have two outhouses there. That they were kind of quasi maintain.

Well, that two went from one and that one was absolutely disgusting. And, um, Ian, you know, [01:07:00] thankfully had the foresight to, to make sure that we had enough toilets out there. We proudly could have got away with one less, but that would've been somebody was dealing with the big giant bomb that somebody left on the ground and had wanna get into specifics.

But anyway, long story short, we ended up having to have two outhouses out there. And those cost how much per outhouse? Two 20. $220 per, so we paid $440 to have two outhouses out there for half a day. 

Ian: Yes. So think about that. That's, that's, uh, 12 entries, right? Yeah. Just to pay for the outhouse. Sure. 

Jake: And then you got all the other stuff.

I mean, it just starts 

Ian: to add up. It's prohibitive. Yeah, definitely. So how can we save on, on costs? I, 

Jake: yeah. And then good question. You catch your city too. Wear diapers. Does the 

Matt: spectators will be wearing diapers in 2026. 

Jake: Brad, you buy It depends. There you go. And then the lastly, just to touch back on the, um, the, the bit for the, the permits and all that other stuff like.

We already are like the public, you know, this is something that's good for the public and, and we are already paying for all this stuff. Do they need to charge that [01:08:00] many layers and do they need to charge as much as they are? And I, and at the, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a huge amount of money, but is that something that they need to do?

I, I personally don't think so. 'cause like, again, these are people that, for the most part, live in your community, that live in your county, that are already like tax paying people, paying property taxes and sales taxes and all these other things that pool into that to support this entity. And if we didn't have events out there, then it would never, it's just like, it's smooth.

It's not a big deal. They're just trying to make money to make money. One last point and then I'll jump in here. I could understand if the, if a promoter was coming out there and they're putting on a one day race and they're making a hundred grand and just killing it using the, the resources of the, the county, the city and the parks and the, the parks wasn't charging anything.

As a matter of fact, they were losing money in the process. I am all for that promoter making gobs, gobs of money. Because that's good for all of us. 'cause we have something to go do. But I, and I don't think that the city needs to necessarily like, you know, penalize us for that. But in the same breath, I also don't wanna see the city, the park, and all the other stuff [01:09:00] be upside down.

I, they should be in a, of a mindset of like, all right, let's make sure that we just break even. Like, I, I'm good with that, but to make more money, it's like, why? 

Ian: Yeah. It's hard, it's hard to answer that, you know, the, the money you put into buying a permit goes into their general fund. It's not a, it's not one bucket for, for events that usually what that, and it's also hard for, 

Matt: you said there's three permits.

It's a permit to get a permit, then there's the final permit to conclude your permit. Yeah. It's, it's different agencies. No, it, 

Ian: it's different wherever you put a race on. But um, it's something like a road race though. I can see that. It's hard for. Like a county council to see the value, what's in it for them kind of thing.

If, if you stage your criterium and it's downtown, like, like the race we had in Bend last year that is, is on again, actually in June. Right? It is on again 

Lance: in June. 

Ian: Um, you know, it brings something to the [01:10:00] community. Sure. It's, it's a, it's a day out that local businesses do well. Um, it, it's something to promote your community, but it's hard to see if you're out on, if you've got a bunch of guys out on some country lanes in the middle of nowhere, then it's, it's hard to see what's in it for them.

Jake: Okay. But what's, how's it hurting them? Right. Yeah, I know. But so, I mean, and, and that's a very, you know, subjective question to ask too. So do you put in 

Ian: your permanent application alongside permits for. Con construction and, and various projects. There's no real diff there's no, there's nothing that differentiates Yeah.

You to everybody else. 

Jake: I, yeah. I don't have a problem like applying for a permit, just a, so that they know that you're gonna be out there B so you're like, abiding by the rules and c because you're not taking advantage of anything or anyone, or any property or anything of that nature. Like it, that, that kind of keeps everybody like on the up and up.

But in the same respect, I don't think that they need to like, charge us more than, than they have to. [01:11:00] And I, I, I feel, kind of feel like they are. So yeah, it's my 

Lance: 2 cents, but. 

Jake: It's, 

Lance: um, 

Ian: yeah, 

Lance: you know, as you guys are talking, I'm looking up the cost for different things to register for. 'cause uh, Ian's race, the Barton Park race, it's only 50 bucks to register, you know, for that race.

We look at, uh, Mike Ripley, who, who does Mudslinger events, his gravel races. Now granted gravel races, I think have, there's, it's a supply and demand issue, is my thought. Yeah. There's more people that want to do these gravel races than want to do the road races, but to, to do one of Mike Ripley's, uh, gravel races, it's 150 bucks for the day.

Ian: It's a hundred dollars difference. It's a hundred 

Lance: dollars difference to do one of, uh, breakaway promotions. One of Chad Sperry's races, the gorge gravel grinder or, um, or the Cascade gravel grinder, it's 185 bucks. Mm-hmm. Now granted those two guys are probably the. The biggest, um, [01:12:00] and well run promoters on the West coast or in the Western United States.

Sure. They're very good promoters and their, their events are, are in demand. Yeah, for sure. And so I can see why they would want to charge more for that, but I. But, uh, or why, and they're both doing it as their full-time business. 

Jake: Yeah. Now, if the numbers start to slide a little bit, maybe there's some, a big surge in the, the road racing scene and all of a sudden a lot of people are going back to road and then they see their numbers dip down 10, 15, 20, 30%, whatever it is.

Do you think that there would be a response to that with respect to like a supply and demand issue? I do. And the, the cost would come down. So they're, that's 

Lance: basically economics. 

Jake: That wouldn't happen. Yeah. And, and so that's my point. That's great that they're able to do that. Uh, but in their defense, they're put on a good show.

They are. That's a great, it's a great defense. You know what you're gonna get. It's very consistent. It's well thought out. It's gonna be a good experience and it's gonna cost you a few bucks for that. And these are people that, that's what they're doing. That is their livelihood. They put on X number of races per year.

That's how they, you know, keep a roof [01:13:00] over their heads and feed their families and all the fun things in between. I'm, I'm all for that. Yeah. And if, if that's too much for some people, then either A, don't do it or just b do less of them, but still go do them and have fun. But the road side of things like, 

Ian: well, yeah.

Road race promoters should be able to make money too. 

Jake: Yeah, yeah. You're right. Uh, 

Ian: you know, like myself, I'm not, I'm not doing it this, doing that professionally, but I am retired. I do wanna make some money on the side. Sure. It's 

Jake: gonna be worth your time. 

Ian: And, and so that was a one motivation for putting on Barton Park Road Race, for example.

Sure. The other one was to show that you as a promoter, you, you can make money from a road race. Mm-hmm. That's what I wanted to show in the hope that it would encourage others to, you know, jump in as well. Sure. And, um, yeah, we, we, we did end up making a little bit last year and so that, you know, uh, objective achieved in that way, but it could have quite easily have gone the other way too.

So. A lot of it comes down to [01:14:00] setting the the right price point, right? Yeah. Not too high that you're gonna. Discourage people from coming and not too low that you're gonna lose your shirt. 

Jake: Yeah. So to answer the actual question, the, the initial question of the topic is why are road races getting so expensive?

Uh, well, it's because they have to in, in order for them to survive. But the, the sub-question that I had is they, do they need to get that expensive? Um, probably, but they shouldn't be, um, necessarily. But let me, let me just be a little bit more concise here. They should be that expensive. They should be more, your, your Barton Park Rotary should probably cost 60 or 75 bucks.

However, I also in the same breath think that all of the different people that are putting their hands in your pockets to take advantage of that, to make money for, for whatever reason. They need to charge a little bit less. And I, I get it. Like if you're right, a sewer, a sewage company that does these outhouses or whatever, and, and you're, you're trying to make money.

Like do you really need to charge four $40 for two outhouses? I don't know. I mean, is that what the going rate is? I, I don't know way to get around that, but I don't, I I still think that, yeah. [01:15:00] Yeah. And then municipalities, they don't need to charge as much as they do. Like I, I wanna see somebody like Ian be successful and I don't want you to be working on these razor thin margins.

It's like, ah, crap, I lost a hundred bucks. Or, oh, that was a lot of work and I made 200 bucks. That's great. But no, you should be making a lot more than that. Not because you're greedy, because you need to put a few bucks in for your, your efforts so that you keep continuing to do this. So they should get more, more expensive.

However, the costs that are associated with them need to come down. That's just my 2 cents. I dunno. 

Ian: Yeah. And you, we've just gotta attract enough people to make it Yeah. Pay off. 

Intro: Yeah. 

Ian: Because I don't think those costs will come down. And, and it's basically a reflection of. All kinds of projects, enterprise projects.

Like if you, if you trying to build, uh, build onto your house, you know, there's all, there's people in your pocket trying to skim off some of that all the time. Yeah. There's the permits, your all sorts of things. Yeah. So it's the same, it's the same thing 

Jake: for the people out there. I definitely think that you need to do everything you can to [01:16:00] support these promoters.

Go out there and, and sign up early and do your races because it's only gonna benefit Ian and that's gonna allow him to do so much more that you're not even thinking about. Like, if Ian was able to go to some of the bigger people that we work with, the brands or the entities and say, Hey, I've got 350 P people pre-registered.

We think we might be able to get this thing up to five or 600 people. That's gonna capture their attention. He's gonna be able to get better swag. He might be able to get some sponsorship money. He might be able to get some better prizes. He might be able to get you some cool things so that you have an even better experience.

And what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you support them, it will ultimately come back to you to, you know, and, and in a bunch of different ways. So I, I think that that's something that people forget about as well. So sign up 

Ian: for Barden Park or 

Jake: Race. Turn into a big advertisement. It's only 50 bucks.

70 50 bucks. It's too cheap. Yeah. Raise your prices. Yeah. Tip 'em if you can. So, alright, let's move on. Unless you guys have anything else to, to add to that. Let's move on to the new tech that just came out. That's the second part of our, our little topic thing here. Um, 

Matt: yeah, 

Jake: a couple things 

Matt: came out. Links came out.

Matt hit us. Well, Garmin came out well. Okay. So I, I actually need to [01:17:00] ask Jake about some of this stuff. 'cause the truth is I haven't touched any of this tech. Yeah. Um, Garmin came out with a front headlight slash camera, something, it's called the, I wanna call it the Garmin. VE view, correct. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um, yeah, it's, it, we're all familiar with the Garmin Veria radar that's is on the back of your bike.

It's something that I use every time I ride. Mm-hmm. I really, I'll, I'll turn around and go back and get it if I forget it. Um, the front camera, uh, priced at a, I wanna say 530 bucks or 550 bucks, something like that. 5 49 if I'm not mistaken. That's, that's, that's spiny stuff right there. Yeah. Um, I don't, I don't know.

This is tricky because Yeah, I, I think it's gonna be a harder one. Hopefully I'm going to get the chance to review it, but, um. Yeah, I think it's a harder value proposition. I think, again, radar is like probably the one piece of tech, like all the watches, all the stuff that I review, radar's, the one thing I'm just like, just shut up and go buy it.

Like just sure you, you gotta have this. Do you [01:18:00] care 

Jake: if it has a video camera or not? It just needs to be the radar. It needs to be the radar, 

Matt: the radar's, the the most important part. I like having the camera built in because again, like the fear is that you're gonna get knocked off the road or whatever by a car, and it's just nice to have license plates.

But how often do you go out for a ride 

Jake: and you have your radar, but you don't have any kind of front facing light that's flashing or just making you a little bit more apparent to, to 

Matt: motorists very frequently. Most of my rides I don't have, don't have that. Okay. I, and I'm a big, like, I'm, I'm, I've become more and more safety oriented as I've gotten older, and I've also just like cared less about my bike being like sleek and aerodynamic and all that stuff.

When I first started cycling, I was really into like, just having everything like perfect, go hard, go 

Jake: fast and look good. Yep. Yeah. And it was 

Matt: great. And uh, and I appreciate that, that time that I had, but now I'm like, okay. Um. You know, I will say that handlebar space is a bit of a premium. So adding another element to it, again, this, [01:19:00] this device is gonna sit, should sit underneath your computer.

Mm-hmm. Theoretically, there's, it's basically a GoPro mount with a large-ish, I don't exactly remember the exact weight, but, um, front light, I wanna say it's 199 grams, 600 to 800. It's a 

Lance: lot. It's more than a GoPro camera heavy. Yeah, it's pretty heavy. Pretty hefty. Yeah. 

Matt: Um, but I mean, again, you're, you, this is not something you would race with.

It's something that you would use for. Training and, and making whatcha talking about, I'm 

Lance: racing with my GoPro every, every time. Ah, yeah, you are. Yeah, you 

Matt: are. Uh, but yeah, so I think that this is a harder sell to me than like a rear radar for sure. Um, that being said, I'm, I'm still excited to potentially check it out and see how it goes.

I do think that people should be riding a front light. I think it's good for us to be more visible on the road even during the daytime. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're, you can just see a bike significantly further away if there's a light on it. Yeah. And uh, it's definitely one of those things where, again, going back to the, like, would you turn around and go back for it?

If I had forgot a front light, I would not turn [01:20:00] around and go back for it. Probably 

Jake: not, 

Matt: but. You know, I would for the rear 

Jake: radar. Yeah. I don't disagree with you. I have been pretty consistent about using some sort of flashing light on the front of my bike right In the last, well, it's coming up on seven years since I got hit by the car.

I'm like, all right. Yeah. Anything that I can do to make myself a little bit more apparent to anybody that that's coming at me, I, I'm gonna wear, I'm gonna put that on my bike. So I've been using that rave man. Uh, yeah. Which mounts underneath your bike computer. So between the, the bike or the computer mount and the, the computer itself, it just kind of like sandwiches in there.

I 

Matt: have two of those. One of 'em, like version one and version two. The version two is like a little bit brighter. A little thicker. Yeah. There's a 

Jake: 300 and a 600 

Matt: if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. That's a great little tool. Yeah. And it doesn't take up, again, it doesn't take up a lot of handle bar space. It takes up none.

It just 

Jake: really just lifts your, your computer up a little bit and it's, it's pretty light, so it doesn't really, like, it's not a weight penalty and they last for a good amount of time. I mean, I think you can get about four or five hours out of one battery charge on 'em. So depends on what you're doing with it.

Right? Something. Yeah. That's just what 

Ian: another battery to charge. Yeah. Well, it's real. 

Jake: Got my charging station. Everything just gets plugged in when I go back. It's, it is what it is. Yeah. But [01:21:00] going back to that. That, uh, Garmin it, they did kind of like answer a lot of the problems that they had with the rear facing camera.

Mm-hmm. So you've now got a 4K camera. Right? Whereas before I, was it 10 80 p. Yes, I think so. And then, so the front is, it's 4K at 30 frames per second. Yes. Which is pretty good. And then it is stabilized. Yeah. Image stabilization was an issue. If 

Matt: you use the stabilization, you're not really getting 4K 'cause they're gonna crop on it's crop.

Just a, a touch. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if that's, which is not a big deal. Don't know if it's actually bigger than 4K and they're cropping down the 4K with No, it's the other way round. It is 4K. And if you use stabilization, it crops in on that 4K for like 2.7 or something like that. Or 2270, probably more than that.

It's somewhere in the middle. It's like a random weird number. But still like, and to me that doesn't like more, more pixels is better. Which, so cropping is not a big deal. Getting a stabilized is good. Yeah. You wanna be able to read License plate is the main thing for this. Um, I, yeah. I think this is gonna fall into the wheelhouse of like, if you have, if you're bought in on the whole Garmin ecosystem and you want to be safer on the road and you're not shellshocked by the price, [01:22:00] then sure.

Lance: It's like 550, 50 bucks. Five 50 bucks. Yeah. I mean, yeah. 

Matt: So, so. Because here's the thing, you can get a, you can probably get a very good GoPro or any of the other action cameras and a light. That are compatible, you know, compatible with the same metrics that this one has. Sure. For at least, I don't know, a hundred bucks less than this thing.

Yeah. If not more. 

Jake: I think if you are not like the person that needs to have the absolute latest and greatest, say GoPro, if that's the land that you wanna play in with cameras, you can always go to places like, you know, best Buy and Costco. They've always got the the one that seems like it's on sale because there's a new one coming.

Yeah. And you can get 'em for like 289 bucks or something like that. Yeah. Or you can find 'em online for around that price. And they usually sell for what, about 400 ish dollars. 

Matt: 400, 500, unfortunately wise. That's brand new. Brand, brand new. Like, like you said, you can get, if you were to get Last season's model.

Yeah. Yeah. You can get something for 200 bucks. 

Jake: And then as far as a light's concerned, depending upon how many hundred, a hundred light is 

Matt: a good light. 

Jake: It's a great light. You can get something from, from L Design or you, you can probably 

Matt: something [01:23:00] brighter than this. I wanna say this is like 6, 500, 6 to 800 lumens something.

I think it's only 500. I think it's more than that, but it's not much more than that. Either way you can get some bright lights. Yeah. 

Jake: So anyway, you can definitely do that. It's not one little concise package. It's not gonna have a video camera in there. The, um, there's, that does some of the things with the, like the incident detection stuff.

Saving incident detection. That's 

Matt: true. Um, there's other little things too, like being able to control the light from your Garmin computer. Correct. Uh, so there's, there's really cool things about this. I still think it's a bit of a hard sell. Yeah. Like 

Jake: the radar, when I first heard that, I'm like, that sounds cool, but is that gimmicky?

Yeah. And then I started using it and going, oh my gosh, I, I need to have this. And I've, I've been using 'em since they very first came out when it was that little box looking thing. Me too. And I've used every iteration since then and I absolutely love them and I like met. Do not wanna leave home without him.

Intro: Yeah. 

Jake: The light. I don't know. The jury's out. We've got, uh, yeah, a bunch of 'em at coming into the lab. They might even be there. I just, I, I, I need to, we're, we're, we're not currently recording at the lab. Uh, but I will find out later today. They'll be there, [01:24:00] here today or tomorrow. But anyway, long story short, we've got a bunch coming in.

We've got one that I've pulled aside for us to demonstrate or demo. 

Intro: Cool. 

Jake: Um, Lance and myself and you and Ian, we can all use it and kind of try it and see what they report back and let people know what we think. But for 550 bucks, I know that's a lot. You know, some people that's like, yeah. Who gar. It's just a cool thing that, that I wanna throw some money at.

'cause it's gonna provide me a light and it's gonna be a cool camera and one little, you know, one package, tidy package that just fits underneath my, uh, my computer and, 

Matt: yeah. Good to go. I, I feel like that when I do a lot of these reviews, I feel like, you know, I, I look at a price and I'm like, oh, this is too much or too little, or whatever.

Everyone's price sensitivity is different. Mm-hmm. Everyone, everyone is looking at it, and so they're gonna have to use their best judgment and, and hopefully, hopefully we'll get the chance to review it and, and see what we think. But yeah, I think it's a hard sell at this point compared to the rear radar for sure.

Mm-hmm. Other announcement, which was just now, just today as of the podcast, uh, wahoo, wahoo, announced two new cycling computers, the Wahoo Roam. Three updates. [01:25:00] Updates on. Computers. They're new computers, but they're new computers. Yeah. There it is. The Rome three and the Bolt three. And what it looks like to me is that this is a hardware bump and it's basically a, a bit of a hardware bump to get everything within the same ecosystem.

There's actually not new features being announced on this hardware. So screen, all these things, uh, um, they're all, they're, they're all color screens. The new, uh, Rome is a touchscreen. The bolt is not a touchscreen. The Rome gets some features from the wahoo ace, like you can do the double tap to get the bell.

Lance: Nice. 

Matt: Um, and it's a slightly larger screen. It was 2.7, now it's 2.8. Yep. And slight, slight increase in weight on both of those devices as well. Okay. So not a huge update, but, um, the software side of things is all being basic, basically. Um, it's, it's being kind of. [01:26:00] In falling in line with what they're, they did with the Wahoo, ACE computer.

Different which app? Which was a whole new different app. They basically restarted the whole software system from scratch. Yes. Wrote that from scratch, tried to port over all of the old features, and it took basically, I would say, you know, 3, 4, 5 months or whatever that they've been working on getting feature parody from that.

Device to what they had before with all the, you know, Rome and the Bolt and all this stuff. It's taken them a long time. So a lot of people have been like, well, the ace, you know, came out, it was half baked or whatever, and they've just had such a hard time getting all of the feature parody with the previous devices.

They're finally there and now they're bringing these other two devices into the same like wheelhouse. So they'll all be on the same software system. So here's, here's a question for you, Matt. I'm 

Jake: kind of curious why release all this information today and tell everybody and you can buy it a month from now?

Good 

Matt: question. And that this is a valid answer. Um, that's weird. Wahoo says that the reason, the reason they're announcing now is because their stock [01:27:00] is, is empty. They're, they're basically like out of old, you know, stuff and they don't want people being like, Hey, um, you know, what's going on? Like, we can't get devices and then announce a month later.

Jake: So they stopped selling the old stuff, or actually stopped producing. They, the announced old stuff sold out of them. And then they've announced this in hopes that people that are coming into the springtime will wait, will wait and buy their new units through Wahoo, as opposed to jumping on the, the Garmin or Brighton or whatever computer line that they're talking about.

So that begs the question. Are they late to bring this out and they're having more software issues, kind of like they had with the ace? Probably that was supposed to launch a lot sooner than it actually did and came out half baked. 

Matt: I think that's a safe, a safe bet or it could be something I, I would probably lean towards manufacturing issues.

I. We're all dealing with this whole tariff thing. Sure. Supposedly the um, Garmin light that we were all talking about earlier, supposedly that thing was supposed to cost significantly less, but then all these tariff announcements, they're like, [01:28:00] they did bump it up. They bumped, I don't know what it was. It was probably 50 bucks or something like that.

I think that's about right. Yeah. And so who knows what's going on. I'm guessing that they're potentially having like production issues that would maybe. Cause this delay of like being able to do this. The other thing that they could be doing is saying like, Hey, we have new cycling computers. We know that Garmin's gonna announce something in the near future and, and not wanna be, they don't wanna be like second fiddle to, to Garmin, which I think a lot of these tech companies do that.

They have a lot of insider information. I see this with like these AI companies all the time where they're like, they know that Open AI is gonna make an announcement, so they announced something the day before or whatever it is, just so that they're not kind of like, take a little 

Jake: wind outta the sails.

Yeah, yeah, 

Matt: yeah. I mean it's, it's a competitive marketplace. Right? 

Jake: Definitely. Um, and I, I really quite like the Wahoo products. I think they're fantastic. Yeah. I think we all do. They've had some missteps though, and I think that they Yeah. Are trying to figure that, that part of things out. But, 

Matt: um, well the Wahoo ace was I think, a.

Blunder. Yeah. As far as product launches go. Mm-hmm. They've fixed all those [01:29:00] issues though, but, but it's, they've all been fixed. Yeah. But it's not a bad device. I, yeah, 

Jake: there was. 

Matt: I 

Jake: think the Rome is gonna be the one to get. Yeah. Matt was the one that let me know. I know all the things that are coming out.

Did they announce the other thing or do we need to hold off on that? 

Matt: Um, they have a radar. Okay. So they also announced. Announced. Okay. There we go. Which I, okay. And it, so it's got a couple features that they, um. This is a good question. I don't know that much about this radar, but again, it is a wahoo cycling radar.

We are big fans of radars. This one does a couple of things to, uh, save battery life. Like you can have it set to only blink the light when there's traffic. Mm-hmm. Which I would use. Sure. And also, um, it has one other, like, I feel like it has another, you know, battery saving piece to it that it can do. I can't remember what it is.

So a couple of tiny little things, and again, this is another situation where it's like we're getting sprinkles of information. Everything's kind of half baked at this point. It doesn't seem like their stuff has been finalized yet. [01:30:00] Software has definitely not been finalized, so we don't know. 

Jake: Before, in the past, we probably could have spoken to this to a little bit more detail, giving you a little bit more of a, a wink and a nudge to kind of push you in a certain direction.

But it seems like all of the different brands have really tightened up on their, um, information that they're just putting out there. So, which 

Matt: is fine. Well, 

Jake: and, 

Matt: but you and I have reviewed products that are like, especially like radars that are half baked as far software development. Oh, yeah. And it's such a nightmare to be like, well, it's not, you know, you're like, this doesn't work.

It's, it didn't show traffic when there was traffic. Like that's a. It's a, yeah. And then they're like, well, here, get the next version. And then they have some other problem and it's like, well then the next version you're like, geez, just gimme the finalized version. Yeah. And if it's crap, we need to let people know, because the radar stuff is kind of, it's, we, we rely on it.

We rely on it when we're on the roads. Sure. So anyway, I'm excited to see if Wahoo can do a solid piece of work with the, with the radar system. And then I have no idea on the price of that. Do you remember? I don't, I, I don't recall. But it's gotta be in line with what Garmin [01:31:00] has. Yeah. And this is non, this is not a camera.

Wait, does it record? I can't remember. I, I, well, I'll look 

Jake: it up. Yeah. It's probably gonna be in that 200 price point, but again, I would just be guessing. Yeah. I should know these things and whatnot. Me, I just haven't, me too, put the, the brain power to it. 'cause I knew that it wasn't gonna physically come out for a whole nother month.

And the fact that they announced everything today, I, I can't remember. They, I wanna say May 9th or something like that. Yeah. So it's about a month from now, so, yeah. So it's a while. Yeah. Anyway. Good stuff. Yeah, new stuff, Lance. And do you guys have thoughts on all that stuff? 

Lance: I'm, I'm excited for it. I, I, what, what are you 

Jake: gonna do?

Lance: I, I'm, I'll get a roam. Get a roam. I'll get a roam because it's kinda like the 

Matt: wahoo ace, but 

Lance: like 

Matt: smaller and, and 

Lance: the, and the touchscreens are good. 'cause I used the Wahoo ace for like two months and I actually quite loved it, except for how gigantic it was in it snapped my mount. 

Matt: One thing that's different, it's not gonna have the no arrow, arrow meter.

I don't, I know I'm using the wrong term. No wind meter. Wind meter. It doesn't have 

Lance: a wind gauge in 

Matt: it. So I think that's okay, because from what I've heard, no one cares. Do they disclose prices in that, that [01:32:00] launch 

Jake: information? 

Lance: Yeah. 4 49 and 3 49 or something like that. So it's kind of in line 

Jake: with the Garmin lineup, if you'll, yeah.

Matt: Cool. All right. Well, anything else? I think the big thing with this is gonna be, um, screen brightness comparison. When you're looking at some of the, uh, new stuff from Garmin in particular, the 10 50, that screen is very bright and vibrant, and even pretty much in direct sunlight, it's still pretty good.

Whereas this screen from Wahoo. It'll be. Interesting to see how it compares. We've also, we've all liked, um, Wahoos contrast that they provided us when we're out in direct sunlight. Yeah. And different screen technologies are different. I don't know the wahoo ace, how was that one? 'cause that, that's the same screen technology.

Jake: It was great. It's good. It was bright enough. It worked well. Direct sunlight. We weren't getting too much glare. Nope. What about with polar uh, sunglasses? Where you getting any No, no weirdness with polarized sunglasses. Cool. 

Lance: Sweet. Yeah, it 

Jake: was good. All right. Um, believe it or not, we still have one last thing.

Let's make it one last fast thing and run around the table real quick. Matt, what you got? 

Matt: Uh, one last thing, uh, [01:33:00] video coming out as soon as I can get back on the editing floor. Uh, apple watch bands. Do they cause cancer? Do they have. Forever. Chemicals, plastics, they're leaching into your skin. You're gonna die.

That's what I say in the video. Um, that editing has taken me forever. Yeah. I have this edit of like, the watch melting into a person's skin. It's just ridiculous. That's put secret sauce. If you don't care about this topic, go watch the video, because I've spent way too much time editing this video and I hope that someone watches it.

It's gonna get, yeah, we talked about this before the podcast. It's gonna, it's one of those videos where I put too much effort into it and it gets like five views. The five of us, right? Five of us have one listener. No. And my mom and my mom will talk thousands of views. My mom does not watch my videos actually.

Yeah. Gibo, 

Jake: what you got one last thing, bud? 

Ian: Uh, okay. We've already been talking about this, but, uh, Barton Park Road race is coming up Saturday, may the 10th out at Barton Park. Where do people go to 

Matt: sign up? 

Ian: You can go to obra.org, [01:34:00] uh, schedule. That'll give you a link to my website, dial performance coaching.com.

And then under events you'll see bar ps Oh, right. Uh, importantly in that, on that webpage is a link to volunteer. I really need volunteers. It would be great if, uh, some of my teammates could step up. Um, last year we did, we did great. Lot of people signed up and I'm really hoping for a good showing. Again, this year in particular, I need drivers.

So, um, if you think you can spare a couple of hours on that date and just drive a car, uh, in front or behind one of the, uh, backs out on the road, that'd be. Fantastic. 

Jake: Sweet. Yeah. 

Lance: Kepler, uh, this weekend we have Bone Crusher, mountain Bike Race in Madris, Oregon. So I have been given clearance already to go to Bone Crusher.

Saturday will be, uh, short track races and Sunday will be the [01:35:00] cross country races. There only. 40 bucks each. Ooh, yeah. Raise your prices. Raise your prices. Raise zone five. Promot. Will your kids kids come over 

Matt: and help take care of your what? Lovely 

Lance: wife. Um, I think she's gonna be okay enough by Okay then that she won't need a whole lot from me, so I'm gonna go down there and get my ass kicked again because hey, that's.

The way, uh, cat one 50 plus Yeehaw. Okay. That's 

Jake: alright. Well, one last thing is my coffee lease is up so the show is over. Oh. 'cause I got, got, gotta got things to do. We will be back next week with another one of these. And until then, bye for now.[01:36:00] 

Outro: I only ask this because of the dire situation I'm in, but can I, can I hump your leg for 15 uninterrupted seconds? 

Intro: I suppose so, Brian. I, I said you could do it for 15 seconds. 

Outro: Didn't need it.