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The Bold and Brilliant Podcast with guest Carrie Helms

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🎧 Episode Summary:
In this soulful and deeply inspiring episode of The Bold and Brilliant Podcast, host Tracie Root welcomes the radiant Carrie Asuncion Helms, intuitive coach, human design guide, and Queen of Your Destiny. Together, they explore how bold decisions, deep inner work, and conscious resilience lead to personal power and purpose-driven impact. Carrie shares her journey from burnout in corporate HR to coaching powerhouse, guiding women to reconnect with their bodies, rediscover their purpose, and reclaim their power.

This conversation is a treasure trove for anyone ready to shift from survival mode to thriving on purpose.

✨ What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
🔹 How burnout became the turning point for Carrie’s journey from corporate VP to spiritual and intuitive coach
🔹 The importance of somatic awareness and how to safely reconnect with your body after trauma
🔹 What it means to become the “Queen of Your Destiny”—and how you can start owning that title today
🔹 How to shift from victim to hero by reframing your story and claiming your inner truth
🔹 Why community, connection, and saying your dream out loud are essential to growth and healing

🛠️ Actionable Tips from Carrie Helms:

  • Tune into your body with breath and intention—your nervous system holds wisdom.
  • Don’t wait for clarity—take the next step. The “how” reveals itself in motion.
  • Ask the universe for “this or something even better—surprise me.”
  • Reframe past pain into power. Every challenge carries a gift.
  • You don’t have to do it alone. Build your bold support squad.

🎤 Memorable Quote:
"I started this journey thinking there was something in me that needed to be fixed. But now I know—I’m not broken. I’m a diamond in the rough, just waiting to shine." – Carrie Helms

🔥 Bold Moment of the Episode:
When Carrie said “I’m not asking you—I’m telling you” to her husband as she boldly claimed her path back to purpose, pulling $5K from their 401k to invest in her future. THAT is Queen energy.

📱 Connect with Carrie Helms:
https://www.facebook.com/carrie.asuncion.helms/

https://www.instagram.com/purposeprosperitycarrie/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/carrie-asuncion/

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Your host,
Tracie Root

Tracie:

Terry, I am so excited. Welcome to the Bold and Brilliant podcast. I'm so thrilled that you're here.

Carrie:

It is so great to be here, Tracy. You know, you and I have been swirling around together for quite some time, so to be here and present and having a impromptu kinda organic conversation is pretty yummy.

Tracie:

Yeah. I love it so much. You know, that's the whole reason why I wanted to do the podcast was to get a chance to interview even more people, because I get to meet so many amazing people. You and I, we've been connected for a couple of years now. I wanna say almost three years. I think so, and you know. A lot has gone on in your life, in my life, in the world, in these last three years. And so one of the things that I definitely wanna talk about is how things have changed, kind of from where we started to where we are. But let's start off by making sure that our listeners get to know you a little bit to understand who you are, maybe a little bit of how you became this queen of your destiny that you are today. So give us a story. Tell us about. What, where you started? A little bit of background so that we can get the party rolling.

Carrie:

Yeah. So you know, the thought that occurs to me. I'm gonna celebrate the fact I just turned 60. Really? Yeah. And the fact that, you know, as I reflect on where I've been and where I'm going, I think it's the resilience factor. So I guess I'll just share with you like what that journey's been. So I'd always, ever since I was a young girl, I had wanted to be a. To study psychotherapy, but I left that to the side. Everybody was saying, oh, it's too hard. Why would you wanna go for an advanced degree? So I ended up getting into human resources and rose to the ranks of vp and it was a burnout. I felt like I was not paying attention to my energy. I was just doing, doing, doing. And I was trying. To get approval from some source outside of myself, which now I look back and I think that is not the road to success. Right.

Tracie:

Well, it's definitely not the road that clearly now we know you're not meant for. Right. The idea of the corporate grind, I mean, this is how we were raised to mm-hmm. Over achieve. And I say overachieve because I do wanna put like judgment on that because it's not healthy or, and it doesn't make us happy. But these high achieving, like forced need for success in whatever that external view of what success looks like, it's so prevalent in the corporate world, which, I mean, if you're a VP of hr, you are a seriously corporate girl. I was,

Carrie:

And yet it's, I see how it was a stepping stone to where I am today. Yes. Right. That ability for me to say, okay, so how do we get out of that grind? How do we, let's say, put on the glasses that help us to see that we're, we have somebody else's perception going on. And so now what I do is I tie in human design to help clients, me and my clients to understand their energetic. Blueprint. And so I'm a manifester, so I know that I'm not supposed to be in the trenches working 60 hours a week any longer. But I think I'll take that stitch. So as a human resources. And then I finally, at age 34, went back with a nursing toddler, went back to school for my advanced degree in psychology. Only to realize that that wasn't what I wanted to do. I felt like that wasn't enough. So then I went back to studies to do energy medicine. I found that I was an intuitive. I didn't know that growing up. I see things, I hear things. I experienced things. I thought everybody did this. Yeah, love

Tracie:

those kinds of realizations where. And everyone has them, whether they're intuitive or otherwise, everyone has the things that they think is totally normal, where it's really unique to them.

Carrie:

Yeah.

Tracie:

And special.

Carrie:

Mm-hmm.

Tracie:

And so I wanted to ask you about, you know, going back, thinking that you wanted to get that advanced degree, and going back to when you were a kid thinking you wanted to be a psychotherapist, like what was it about. That word or that the perception of what that was as a kid that you thought you wanted that clearly now, you know otherwise.

Carrie:

Yeah, so I've al like you I'm really curious what makes people tick. Hmm. And I had read a book called Psycho Cybernetics as I was laying on the beach in Ventura. And, you know, I was in my teens probably about 15 or 16 when my friends were actually checking out the ogling, the Boys. I was reading this really pretty in depth book about how we perceive ourself actually affects, again, it's the glasses that we wear. It affects who we become. And I thought, oh my God, I wanna learn more about that. And this is when coaching was actually coming out. So makes me sound like a little bit like a dinosaur. It was 19. Let's see, you already said you just turned 60,

Tracie:

so we already know how old you are. It's no worries.

Carrie:

Yeah. But just to know, coaching has not always been a profession. So that was. 2005 when I graduated with my master's, and at that point, coaching was kind of taking off. And so I now know that what, these are what I call God's breadcrumbs, right? So I wanted, oh, and this was interesting too. I just had this aha recently, ever since I was a little girl, I wanted to help people who were starving. I don't know. I maybe,'cause I felt super privileged, you know, like we always had food on the dinner table, but when we were little, it

Tracie:

was always like, oh, the people in Ethiopia. Right. It was always the Ethiopia reference that they were starving.

Carrie:

Yeah. And yet I realized, and maybe you've read my blog recently, where I realized that I'm st, I still have that, that I wanna help starving people, but it's not starving from. Lack of food, it's starving from lack of meaning, lack of connection, deep connection. And so that's what I get an opportunity to do now that I'm at this age where I know myself better, and I know I understand human dynamics better. I understand group dynamics, individual. I can tie all those pieces together and help people to learn to love themselves. Hence the. Queen of your destiny. It's really owning. It's seeing yourself differently so that you can say, okay, so if I'm owning my queen, I'm gonna take a breath first. This is the resiliency piece. I'm gonna take a breath. Like I, I was rushing to get here today, right? So because I was driving, so taking a breath, noticing what's going on in my body, first of all. Oh, okay. So that part of me needs a little of attention. And then coming back to being in the present moment, that's really the p point of power. And I didn't know that growing up, but now I know it.

Tracie:

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. So Psycho-Cybernetics really starts to talk about the mind body connection and mm-hmm. So many different aspects to understanding other people and ourselves Of course. And so, you know, one of the things that, as you said. Like tuning in and helping people tune into what's going on for them. One of the things that I find is always a ch is a challenge for a lot of people is to actually have that somatic understanding, that understanding of where these feelings are in their body. Because so many people are so go, go, go in their head so often. So if someone says, okay, well that's great, but I don't feel it anyway. How can you help them? Get more in tune with what's going on for themselves when they're kind of disconnected from themselves.

Carrie:

Yeah. I actually found early on when I started doing the energy medicine portion of it, there were some people that couldn't get in their body or wouldn't get in their body.

Tracie:

Right. They didn't know how, or they were afraid to, so they were stopping themselves or whatever. What

Carrie:

I found was it was because often. We are, we're traumatized in some physical form. Maybe it was sexual trauma, physical trauma, whatever. So they didn't feel that their body was a safe place to be in. So we just start with simple things like I'll say, okay, be aware as when you take your next breath, your belly expanding, taking that breath all the way down to your pelvic bowl. What are you noticing? And some people might say, oh, I feel cold, or I feel like this vibration. And often it's just calming down the noise or the static enough to say, and creating a safe space for people to say, okay, and so maybe they don't understand what that means, like tightness in the solar plexus, or tightness in their shoulders. So I'll just say, put some attention there for a moment. And then take a deep breath into it. And so actually they don't need to know what the emotion is as much as they, it's just coming back your body is com always asking for attention. And when it gets the attention, it's like, oh, okay. I can roll with that. If it doesn't I know we've all experienced this, right? Like we can have this where I experience tension is in my shoulders. And I can feel it. And then I was like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna get going with my day. And then I go, oh, maybe I give better, give some love and attention here because if I don't, it's gonna whack me over the head. Yeah, gimme some,

Tracie:

starts to start to get a headache or whatever it is that's gonna pile up on you to force you to give it attention.

Carrie:

Exactly. So I'm learning to say baby, I got you. And if I don't have the time to do it right now, I'll make an appointment with it. Right.

Tracie:

I love

Carrie:

that. I'll get you. Well, one of the things I, I think I'm most how do we wanna say, I've been thinking a lot about, lately there's been a lot of conversation about nervous system dysregulation. And what I know in my own experience and my client's experience is if we are in a state of chaos or trauma. Or we're just way too busy to even pay attention to what's going on with our body. Then how can we even think clearly? Like I did a talk last week and I said, put your hands together like blinders on either side of your head. And then what's that like? You can see a portion of the world, but when you open your hands so that you can see a wider perspective, you're like, well, that's what's possible. When you calm your brain down, calm your nervous system down, listen to your body enough to say, Hey. Thank you. Thank you for carrying me through this life. And what is it you're needing? Right? Relaxation, water. A breath. It can be just something that simple.

Tracie:

Yeah. Just a moment in time even. Good. So good. So, okay. So let's go back to, you were talking about. You know, coming out of the burnout of working in hr, looking at energy medicine, learning about coaching, and I totally resonate with what you're saying about 2006 ish for coaching.'cause I started in 2012 and I know that I was not early to the party. Right. So,'cause I had, but I had never experienced that either. So as you're understanding these new. Avenues of helping people. You decided to leave the burnout situation and move into a different way of helping people that maybe started to feel more like what you were meant to do from a younger age. So talk about that transition and not only the good parts about leaving corporate craziness behind, but what were the challenges that you faced that you had to overcome based on this bold decision?

Carrie:

Yeah, I can. I'm gonna dial back to that time'cause what I can remember is I sensed when I was in corporate that this was not in alignment. This was not my bigger vision. Mm-hmm. I just got sucked into it. Basically straight out of college. I was working for one of the very first laptop developers and it was, it was sexy and it made lots of money, but it wasn't me. It wasn't like an alignment with what my highest values were. So really my body took me out. You know how we're talking about paying attention. My body basically says you will no longer work, 60 to 80 hour weeks. And it put me on the couch in adrenal fatigue, and I wasn't able to move. So then I go, okay, that's a wake up call.'cause I, the odd thing was as I was working out two to three hours a week, but I remember thinking, I can't see it an easy way through. Like how do people do this? How do they change careers? Mm-hmm. And I think they had What colors? Your parachute was out at the time. Yes. But you can read any number of books and those are kind of helpful. They kind of point in the right direction. But really it takes the courage to say. And the insight to say, what is it that I really, really desire? And this is what I found out and I know that you believe this too, Tracy, is that you just need to know the what. You don't need to know the how initially, because the right people, the right circumstances show up and you just need to take that next step that's in front of you. So for that one. I had gone to a meditation, a heart math meditation, something like I take my clients through and I accessed my heart's wisdom and I realized I had left something undone. And then I said, okay, I'm gonna go back to school. Or no, I think, I think decided I was gonna do a coaching program to which my husband said We don't have the$5,000. And I said, I am not asking you. I am telling you I'm going to go do this. I'll take out money out of our 401k. Well I'm gonna do whatever I need to. We found a way'cause you find a way when, when it's important enough to you. So we found the$5,000 to get me to go back to the co to to, to learn coaching. And it was just. Taking the next step. And then it was like, how do you get clients? Because you can be a really good trained person Yes. And have no idea how to run a business around it. Yeah. And there weren't a lot of mentors now, you know,'cause like I actually mentor it's like a score lookalike where in the San Luis Obispo area where I help business owners to write their business plan to, to to market and so on. And, but I don't think there were people like that around or I didn't know about those people. And so I just took this next step that was in front of me. The training, figured it out, the money. Figured out how to, how to get a client, the first client and the second client. And, and yet you also know this'cause you've been doing it long enough. It's never static. We're constantly in a state of change and it's a matter of navigating it. Or I, when I notice they, there's actually something in mental health that it says resiliency or healthy mental state is being able to identify. What the situation is early on. So for example, the corporate thing, I was like 12 years in before I realized I couldn't do this any longer. I don't do, I don't wait that long, any longer. But then went to coaching and I've done business coaching, I've done purpose coaching, but I find that some, sometimes it's those nudges. And maybe you found this in your life too, like when my mom passed, I thought I'm no longer doing business coaching exclusively. Because that's not where my heart is. My heart is about helping. I'll call it heart-centered, mission-driven women to take their life to the next level, to create their legacy, their ripple in the world. Because what I know, and I actually said this at Katerina's fem Empire just recently, I said, I am impacting 1 million lives by helping them transform their ability to see possibilities in their lives. And I know that I can't do it alone, that it's like I have impact on this many people and then they have impact on that many people. And so we're building this world together, so we cr create what I call a thriving planet as opposed to just a survival planet.

Tracie:

So you're right, like the idea of being able to. See the need for resilience and change sooner rather than later is a skill that we've grown for ourselves over these years. So important because I think when we're younger and you know, we're. We tend to be more in the moment, maybe at that time, and we're excited and we're still moving forward and you work more and you work harder and you are making changes and then you realize, wait, what happened? How did all this time go by? And I wasn't paying attention to the fact that I'm exhausted and I am working 80 hours a week and it's not in alignment with what I want for my life, for my family. Like you said, you went back to school with a. Kid on your hip to, to see what was possible for the future. And those moments of being able to lean into a challenging change, I think are the, the things that, the courage that we need to do that are the things that keep us going into old age. You know, getting old, as they say, getting old age for sissies. And not to say that we're old, but every year we have to decide to continue to live into our values and into our mission and into how we're supposed to be here in the world, and not just allow it to kind of just exist without purpose.

Carrie:

Yeah. To just allow life to happen to us. Yeah. I think that's why purpose work is so important to me and doesn't have to be some deep, dark secret in how you do this. Right. But when my mom passed, I began to realize, wow, okay, so she had a full life. She, she died at 84 or almost 84, and, the fact is, is that we can get to the end of our life and say, what the hell was that about? Or we can say, that was one heck of a ride, right? Yes. I love that. And, and so I've been playing with this concept of not just intentions or goals, but I say this or something even better, surprise me. That's how I got my new house.

Tracie:

Yeah.

Carrie:

Because I said, okay, yeah, we made an offer on a house. We got outbid by$40,000 and I was bummed. And then I said, okay, wait, wait, wait. I can do the te, I can use the techniques that I use with my clients. So I said, okay, this or something more. Show me. And within a week that house showed up.

Tracie:

I love that. I love the idea of adding that kind of show me or surprise me at the end.'cause we've all, we've heard that, that phrase this or something better because it's. It's a great phrase to learn, especially for people who tend to be relatively fixed in their mindset and, and allow disappointment to affect them. You know, and we come across so many people who are in that state, especially people who are new to the coaching world, because it's a kind of a tenet of coaching. It's like, well, if this isn't for you, then something else will be, and it's okay. And we can just. Find out what that is when it shows up. But to welcome the surprise, I think is really powerful. I love that because you know, resil, as we were saying, we started talking about resilience. Resilience is one of my absolute favorite qualities that I claim. Based on all the things that have happened to me in my life as well. And so what you're talking about is helping everyone realize that resilience is not just a reactionary thing, but it will help you create what you want because you're asking to have to be resilient every day.

Carrie:

Yeah. And you know, I, I was, I love what you just said.'cause it, it brings to mind a conversation I was just having with a potential client this past week. And she goes, I have succeeded at every level, Carrie, she's in her mid sixties, you know, money and relationships and, and she goes, and I've lost every bit of that. Hmm. And I said, oh, that's really interesting. So we were talking for a little bit longer and she's still in the old story. Not in the news story. So I started to reframe like, what? How can you learn from those experiences what you did and what was your hell? No, I don't wanna do that again. And it had something to do with betrayal. It's had something to do with trusting herself. So I said, my guess is now that you've had those experiences is that you can notice when you are. Betraying yourself first, so that you're not just going along with the flow, kind of like what we were talking about, but you're actually advocating for yourself. You have clear standards, clear boundaries, and you're able to communicate those. Again, that's the queen energy, right? Being able, not being the nice girl, oh, I don't wanna rock the boat, and, and she goes, oh my God. She goes, Carrie, I totally get you.

Tracie:

Yeah, that gives me chills just thinking about someone realizing that they, and, and the challenge of course, is that often people hear this over and over and aren't ready to own it. Right. But when all of a sudden they're like. Oh, I've been doing that. Not only that I, that I do that, but that I've been doing it for so long that it has become what's normal and I didn't realize that it's what was holding me back. Kind of going back to what we were saying about this having a superpower and thinking that it's totally normal. We all think that the way that we're living is how everyone else is living, but when we see opportunity for growth and improvement and. New adventure and new possibilities. You know, often we don't know how, how that's even possible for people because isn't everyone living the same way?

Carrie:

Mm-hmm.

Tracie:

So that's literally what I love about coaching and about great. Especially intuitive, like the, the way that you show up for everyone. I was gonna say for clients, but for everyone in a networking group and everything is so. It's so supporting people to recognize that, that their dream is possible because they're the only ones holding them back. Ugh. So,

Carrie:

you know, I just love what you said'cause I'll just, you know. Say something for your readers. Before I stood up to say I would be willing to do the president presidency role with PWN Professional Women's Network of Monterey, I said, I'm not gonna do this alone. I'm doing this with the board, and I'm not willing to do without you. Tracy. Well, and the only reason I said yes was'cause of you. So here we are. And, and that's another tenant, isn't it? Is that we don't do it alone. Yeah. When I was going through my divorce, you talked about bold moves. You know, it's nothing that we ever could anticipate. It's not, it's not something you call in and say, dang, that's experience I wanna have. Right, right. So after a 27 year marriage, I just got really clear. In fact, I remember saying to my spiritual counselor, I said, isn't there a checklist for this? And she just laughed. And then I laughed until I peed my pants. I go, there's not I am not the first person to like, literally, I mean, it's a real

Tracie:

question. I'm, I'm really asking you this. I didn't mean funny.

Carrie:

And she goes, no, it's, it's, everybody has a little bit of different experience. And so, so then I was like, okay, show me. But I could not, I don't think I could have done it without having my girlfriends having my community. And I think that's why you and I are both like plugged into community because we realize is that we have others that reflect back to us, our awesomeness. We have others that hold us when we're struggling. We, we can begin. I think a lot of us women are. Verbal processors, so when we start to say it out loud, then it's like, dang, I guess I'm onto something.

Tracie:

Right? Right. I always that we were talking about this just the other day in our mastermind at at Gather Community where, you know, if you have a thought, something that you want this dream that you're making, tell someone because as soon as you say it out loud, it's what happened. When I opened Gather, it was like, Ooh, this is real. It also happened when I closed. When I had been thinking about, do I need to close? Do I need to just accept that this is the end? And I get choked up even just thinking about it because it was hard. But as soon as I told someone else, you know what? I think I need to let the lease go for gather, all of a sudden it didn't feel wrong and it never felt wrong, but it didn't feel hard anymore because now it was like in the universe and outside of my head. It felt right because of the discussion of talking with another person about it. And then of course, you know when you talk to one person, but then now it's five people and now it's the planet maybe on social media. It just, it reinforces that this, that we're making the decisions that are right for ourselves and for the community around us. Whatever that community equates, whether that's. Your family or your town or the planet or whatever that, you know, gotta say it out loud.

Carrie:

You, you, you just brought in something also that I've been sharing with people as, as I help them to vision is I say it has, I, your goal needs to be audacious enough that it has good in it for other people. Mm-hmm. Love that. The fact that you were looking for. How does this not only serve me, but how does it serve my community? Whether it's the community that was paying for right membership or whether your community at large, right? We as leaders have a vision, a, a bigger vision that. We don't know necessarily how all the little pieces are gonna come together, but the right people, the right circumstances, the right ideas do come through because it's the glasses that we're wearing. We're on the search for something that's in alignment with that. And that's really what you were doing, I think, is you're like, I still am gonna do a community. It's just gonna look different.

Tracie:

Well, and you're absolutely correct. And what it was was in the beginning, and I think this happens with a lot of people, especially early in business, is you're so focused on how do I make money and how do I do this thing that I said I'm gonna do, but the, the desperation factor of like, I have to make profit and what's my, what's my ROI, what's this like narrow self-serving need the desperation. As opposed to, like you said, working more from a purpose standpoint and like the reason. I told people when I closed Gather and opened the Gather community, I said, I didn't realize that what I was trying to do was build community. I thought I just made a room so that people could,

Carrie:

Hmm.

Tracie:

And it was like, it was more of a definition factor, right? Because I wasn't calling it community at that point. I was calling it Gather, which implies community, but also is like it's a space to gather for you. And I wasn't really putting myself in that community. I was offering a service. To other people. And so when I realized that it was all so much more intertwined that I really really thought I was creating, when we had to close the doors and, and open it up virtually, it got so much bigger that I couldn't deny any longer. The whole point was to bring people together. It wasn't to have a room to rent, it was to connect people. And so that's when everything changed and that's why we're still here five years later is because the understanding. Of the value to the bigger, to the greater good, the greater community finally made sense.

Carrie:

Beautiful. I love to hear that. You know,'cause I, I met you after that. Right? Right. So I've, I don't think I've actually, well, you

Tracie:

wouldn't even recognize who I used to be. Oh, wow. I told Katerina not long ago, I said, oh yeah, I was a sarcastic bitch. Oh, and everyone goes, what? What do you mean? And I was like, dude, I was corporate high, you know, highly driven to be in charge to run the show, lone Ranger. You know, and I was very, I was much more soft at home with my, my first husband and having kids, but especially before he and I got married and started our family, it was very much like. I'm working, I'm doing the thing. I'm in charge. I'm smart. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and, and sarcasm, especially in the, you know, nineties, two thousands. That's just kind of what humor was. That's Seinfeld, right? And, and modern humor and modern kind of more open sensibilities aren't like that anymore. At least not for me.

Carrie:

Wow, you're, yeah, it's funny, you're divine defining somebody that I don't see you as, that I don't experience you, that I, I experience you as very, very bright, very creative. You know, bold that, all of that and, but bold in a way that isn't abrasive in any way, but truth telling, definitely truth telling. Yeah. Well, that's the Sagittarius in me,

Tracie:

right? I think, I think also that that it's, it's part of being comfortable in yourself and being willing to be open, you know, so it was also a very kind of closed off. I'm protective of my inner self, kind of at

Carrie:

that

Tracie:

point, it was all about the show.

Carrie:

That takes a lot of energy, doesn't it? Like, oh my God. I was just thinking, you know, trying, trying to look in a certain way to to be a certain, I was just thinking, well, it's perfection. Right?

Tracie:

It's the perfectionist.

Carrie:

Yeah. Well, I thrive

Tracie:

that we all had back then that we're like, gonna be great. I'm gonna be perfect and everyone's gonna admire me for what I can do. And like, it's just so ick now. I just, Hmm huh And it allows me. To see it in other people in such a way that it's, I have a more understanding view of it because it's part of, since it was part of my journey, it's probably just part of theirs too, and we'll figure it out together.

Carrie:

You know, the thought that occurs to me is what shifted. But you know, we have some forerunners like Brene Brown. Absolutely. And a guy that I studied with Charmaine, she, which is positive intelligence, so there's certainly a. What do we wanna call it? A push for authenticity. Yes. For that ability for us to be self-expressed, to realize, to really ask ourselves who's driving the show? Yep. You know, is it our judge? Is it exterior society? Yeah. So I think there's, I think the mainstream is that people are becoming much more conscious and aware. Yeah. About their own self. Or maybe it's just'cause we're getting older. I don't know.

Tracie:

No, I, I totally agree. I think it's all of the above. I think we are getting older and therefore we understand ourselves better and therefore each other better. But I do think that the world has changed. Having two teenagers, my Gen Z kiddos, you know, I see how things are different for people who are still in their teens. Mm-hmm. And how much more self-aware they are than gosh I ever was when I was 17.

Carrie:

For sure. Yeah, that's so true. I think about my 20-year-old and my 25-year-old. Mm-hmm. And like, yeah, my younger one, he just always very. Self-aware or self aware. Mm-hmm. Reflective, you know, and he'd call me on my stuff too. He'd say, mama does nuts. Not congruent. Yeah.

Tracie:

You're not lining up today. Yeah. I mean, the day that my oldest came to me and said, you know, I got some stuff I need to work through. I think I should talk to someone. I was just like. Okay, that's amazing. And absolutely let me help you, you know, get that put together and, you know, and she's doing amazing. And it didn't only serve her to say that, but because obviously, you know, she got the support that she needed outside of parents.

Carrie:

Yes.

Tracie:

But but it, it. It's that whole, like everyone needs therapy, but you know, as Gen Xers we say it kind of as a joke, but the Gen Zers are like, no, it's true. Everyone does need therapy because, you know, it just means you have someone to talk to and be honest with and work through your feelings or whatever. Like it's, yeah, it's pretty amazing. They're, this generation is crazy. Cool.

Carrie:

Yeah. And maybe because of the COVID situation a few years ago they're, they had a lot of time in their hands

Tracie:

too, you know? I'm sure it's definitely a big part of it as well. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Well, anyway, okay. I wanna come back to you because our time is almost up, but you know, Carrie, I've seen over these last three years that we've been connected this shift that you have done from. Business coaching to purpose coaching. You were talking a lot about money then you were talking about purpose. Now you're talking about being the queen of your destiny, which of course you get to decide what your destiny is, and that could be lots of money and purpose. But you know, what do you see like from this point forward? Like what is your, what drives you day to day to keep going with your current? Iteration and how you're helping your clients and potential clients.

Carrie:

Yeah, so maybe it's just the reflection of the clients that I get an opportunity to work with and to see them grow. It's like so awesome. I'm just thinking about one client in particular who came to me it, and she goes, I never realized I had a choice. She's about my age and I went, oh yeah girl, you got a choice. You in your relationship and what you're doing and you always have, but now that you've figured it out, now what's next? So I see is an expansion. So talking to larger groups, doing more retreats. I kind of put those on hold for a little while as I was caring for my mom and really. Taking a deeper dive and so staying along the trajectory. I've also been asked to write down the process that I use in a book so that people can actually have easier access to it. And then I. So I'm considering doing that, but that means I'd have to pause long enough to write the darn book. But when I wrote, when an, when I wrote that a chapter in the anthology, women Living in an Alignment, I began to realize that part was also my legacy, is what was the process that I went through as I went through a sense of betrayal. And rather than seeing myself as a victim, that's another thing we haven't talked about today, rather than seeing myself as a victim, I saw myself as the hero one. The ability to overcome the difficulties and learn from the difficulties. And so that's what I want all women to have, is to realize stuff happens that we have no control of, and how do we transform that so that it's our superpower, that it creates a deeper level of compassion for ourselves, for others, and really a deeper realignment with who we be.

Tracie:

Yeah. And you know that compassion, since there's others a part of that, it is that expansion out into the community, into the planet. And I keep saying, this is how we're changing the world. People like that. Compassion is the key to other people feeling safe enough to be themselves mm-hmm. And honest with what they care about so that caring expands and we all, you know, have greater caring and expansion in the world.

Carrie:

The last bit, I just have to say'cause it, it's been a key component of what I've began to realize is I think I started this whole journey thinking there was something in me that needed to be fixed. Hmm. And then I began to realize, no, just a diamond in the rough looks like some rock that you just walk past. Once it's polished, once the dirt's taken off and it's defined maybe a little bit, you know, the facets are cus cut into it. It shines, right? So we're the same. There's nothing wrong with us and yet there's some shining that's going on. Some getting, clearing some of the pre-programming that's taken us to think that we were, that when really we are like this God spark that wants nothing more than to be fully self-expressed. And shine, shine, shine.

Tracie:

I love it. Well, Carrie, I am so glad that we got to spend all this time together. Our time together tends to be so like quick'cause we're always in the middle of taking care of our community. But you know, this was probably the longest conversation we've had outside of a vehicle in a long time. It's so

Carrie:

true. And what a delight. Thank you so much for the work that you do, Tracy. Oh, it's my pleasure. Ignite lives with a greater sense of, I call it juicy aliveness. Yes,

Tracie:

absolutely. I'm thrilled that we got to spend this time together. Thank you for being on the podcast. We'll make sure that we share all of your stuff in the notes and. If you've gotten to watch the end of this podcast or listen, make sure you take a look at what's op, what opportunities are in the notes for you to connect further with Carrie. Carrie, my friend. Thank you so much.

Carrie:

Thank you my friend. Blessings.