The Bold and Brilliant Podcast with guest Carolyn Pistone

In this episode of the Bold and Brilliant Podcast, host Tracie Root dives into a dynamic and meaningful conversation with sustainability-driven business leader Carolyn Pistone. As the founder of Clear Blue Commercial—a certified B Corp that integrates environmental consciousness into commercial real estate—Carolyn shares her journey from high-rise corporate life to running a mission-driven company that proves business can be a force for good. Carolyn opens up about the oil spill that changed her perspective forever, the bold choice to build a purpose-centered business, and her latest leap into authorship and speaking.

✨ What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
🔹 Why sustainability isn’t a side project—it can be a core business driver
🔹 How one oil spill became the catalyst for a purpose-driven career
🔹 The impact of aligning your values with your work
🔹 Real-life examples of environmental wins in commercial real estate
🔹 The importance of documenting and celebrating your current positive impact
🔹 Why your business can—and should—be used to create social change

🛠️ Actionable Tips from Carolyn Pistone:

• Start where you are: Look at how your existing business operations can align with your values
• Track your positive impact—what you’re doing right now might already be creating change
• Don’t wait for the perfect time: Take bold action even if you’re not “ready”
• Infuse your philanthropy into your work, not just around it
• Embrace joy as a compass for your next move

🎤 Memorable Quote:
"If we’re spending the bulk of our waking lives working, how can we use that work to bring the best we have to the world and make the most positive impact it can?" – Carolyn Pistone

🔥 Bold Moment of the Episode:
Carolyn’s bold decision to shift from running a successful, established business to stepping into her calling as an author and speaker, sharing her message of sustainability, impact, and joy with the world, ten years after founding Clear Blue Commercial. She didn't just build a company; she built a legacy of purpose.

📱 Connect with Carolyn Pistone:
Explore Carolyn’s work at Clear Blue Commercial and follow her journey in her new book Open for Joy: A Journey of Healing and Business Success. She’s also leading workshops like Saving the World by Playing Big in Your Small Business.

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Transcript

Tracie: 1:37

Carolyn, I'm so excited to welcome you to the Bold and Brilliant podcast. Thank you so much for being here.

Carolyn: 1:45

I am so honored to be a guest on the Bold and Brilliant podcast.

Tracie: 1:50

Honored. It's so funny when people say honored, especially people that I know so well, like yourself, it's just honored. We're gonna hang out and talk for about a half an hour. How's that sound?

Carolyn: 2:00

I will do my best to be as bold and brilliant as I can be.

Tracie: 2:04

I, yeah, I think that you have that covered, my darling. Alright, Carolyn, one of the things with the podcast that has been going for just a few months is we're constantly meeting new people, new listeners, and there might be a few people out there who don't know you yet. Which is their loss, and I'm so excited they're here to get to meet you today. So you know your name of those of you who are listening on the like regular podcast thing, you're not seeing the video, but here on the video you can see it says Carolyn Pasti Clear Blue Commercial Inc. But Clear Blue Commercial is not a where you started, or B, even necessarily where you're going. Like it's where you are now. We're all on this journey, so tell us about. How you got to where you are, and maybe we'll start talking about what's coming up next after that. So give us the story, my friend.

Carolyn: 2:58

Thank you so much. Clear blue commercial. Let me start with clear blue commercial. Clear blue commercial. I own it. I founded it. It's it's a seven figure business and I don't say that'cause I'm all. I want you to know how rich I am. I'm only saying that because it's such a rare milestone for a woman business owner to hit, and really less than 2% of the women owned businesses in this country ever hit that milestone. We're just celebrating 11 years in business. And we have been a seven figure business for the last six years of that. And as I like to say if you lose enough jobs, you get a great resume. And mine is particularly impressive. And I really, one of the things when I founded Clear Blue Commercial is I really wanted to use my business as a force for good. So in order to differentiate ourselves and plant a flag in the ground, we became, we got certified right away as a woman-owned business. As a certified green business, as a small business and a B Corp. And for those of you that don't know what a B Corp is, it's a pretty,

Tracie: 4:12

a stringent list of requirements.

Carolyn: 4:14

Yeah. Yeah. That was the word. I was stringent, was the word I was looking for. We have to adhere. In order to become certified as a B Corp, we have to adhere to a higher set of environmental and social benefit than just return to our shareholders. Yeah. It's about a whole lot more than money.

Tracie: 4:34

So on that note, tell people, so I, it's always so weird asking questions that I already know the answers to, but people need to know. So clear blue commercial, we're talking about commercial real estate, but Correct. But you're talking about environmental requirements. So tell people how those two are meshed for your company and,'cause that's, you're not just helping people with their buildings. And helping people get buildings. You are helping people with their buildings, but not just in the way that most people would assume at first. So tell us a little bit more about your specialties.

Carolyn: 5:08

Well certainly we do large scale commercial property management for big corporations and government entities. Property management of, and by itself is very, very mundane. You collect rents, you lease vacancies. You make sure that pay the bills and you and you maintain the property. Yeah. And there are a lot of companies that do that, some better than others. But the, what I discovered very early on is. First of all, if we go back to origin story a little bit, I was working for a huge fortune 500 company. Doing, doing this commercial real estate, and I was working in a high rise. I had an office that overlooked the Bay Bridge and looked in San Francisco and looked out over the bay and I used to love to watch all of the different vessels coming in and outta the port of Oakland and the Port of San Francisco. And one morning I was there and it was all fogged in. And you may have heard about this, but there was a large oil tanker that actually hit the Bay Bridge. And it was called the Costco Busan. And when the fog lifted, I saw that this tanker was, had gotten itself out of the shipping lane and was leaning over to the side just spewing its contents. Into the bay and it stayed there for four days.

Tracie: 6:42

And it's content meaning fuel?

Carolyn: 6:46

Oil. Oil. It was an oil tanker. It was an oil tanker. Okay. It was an oil tanker. And it was just spewing all its oil and a lot of oil comes into the port of Oakland and the port of San Francisco because we have Chevron right there by the bay. And so there's a lot of oil refining going on. And still, I was seeing, literally hundreds of vessels a day, still coming in and out and dragging that oil slick all over the bay, up the delta out into the Pacific Ocean, up and down the coast. And I, I was horrified and I remember thinking that. If I had dropped a bunch of oil at my front door, I would stop everything. I would stop everybody from coming in and out. I'd block it off, I would clean it up, and then I would go on about my business. And I realized there was no mechanism to do that in the San Francisco Bay. That golden Gate, not a real gate. And it got, and it really got me thinking about the fact that as humans, we have placed ourselves above the plants and the animals and the earth. And we have but this was evidence that what was happening is we were placing commerce above all else, including humanity, including the safety of our home. And that's when I really looked at starting. I wanted to do business as a force for good and for me. Other people may disagree, but I think climate change is the single biggest existential threat of our time. And I wanted to throw myself at that. And that's a pretty big freaking. Problem to look at as a single individual and which is why a lot of people look at it and say, oh, that's terrible. And then they go on and do something else. Yeah.'cause it's so intimidating.

Tracie: 8:53

Most people would just say, I'm just one person, what can I do?

Carolyn: 8:58

Mm-hmm. But the fact is that I have a business now. And with, and I'm looking at within that business, what is, because we spend so much of our lives in our work, whether we're an employee or we have our own business or whatever that is, a huge part of our life is about this. We shouldn't separate our goodness and our giving and our philanthropy and all that should not be separate from. Our life's work. So what I realized as I started managing property and having it grouped together is that one of the most important things you do as a property manager, and I'm sorry this is so boring, but it's is you have a budget. You developed that budget of how much do you think it's gonna cost to maintain this property, and how much how much do you think you can collect in rents and blah, blah, blah. You do this budget and you get it approved. But then I started looking at the budget and going, what are ways that we could we're, this is money that's gonna be spent anyway, and I know that my clients. Don't want me to spend this much of, is there a way to save that money and is there a way to do good with this money? So we have done things like turf conversions where we've taken out lawns and sprinklers and put in, beautiful drought tolerant plants and a drip system. And within about a half mile of where I'm sitting right now, our company has saved over 30 million gallons of water and counting because as you make these changes, you save more and more every year. So we save about, just with what we've done in the last 11 years. We save about 3 million gallons of water a year here. We've done LED conversions where you take out the fluorescence and you put in LEDs. And first of all, it's a healthier light. Yep. So people who complain about getting migraines and all kinds of things from the fluorescence, that doesn't happen with LEDs. And even though LED bulbs are more are more expensive than fluorescent bulbs, a fluorescent bulb lasts three to five years.

Tracie: 11:17

Yep.

Carolyn: 11:18

An LED last 20.

Tracie: 11:21

Yeah, long term, even though it's a short term, which is why like in phases typically, right. You'll do a phase, it'll be a expense or whatever. And then long term, that thing's lasting probably for as long as they're in that lease.

Carolyn: 11:36

Yes. They don't all last 20 years, but most of them do. Yeah. So instead of changing a thousand light bulbs a year, you're changing 10.

Tracie: 11:45

Yeah, so it's also not only that they're more energy efficient, that you replace them less often, but now you, not that we wanted to remove employees, but you, and you employ fewer people at that level. The light bulb changers, which affects the bottom line. We hope that mm-hmm. Light bulb changers are finding other ways to serve the planet as well.

Carolyn: 12:09

Well, and there, there are so many things that are outside of our control in terms of expense. Like we have no control over what the, whatever utility charges us, right. And our our energy costs can go up 40% in a year. Yeah. Which has happened quite recently. So we were able to at our bi at the biggest property we have we managed about a quarter million square foot campus as a subcontractor for the state of California, we were able to put a solar array. On those buildings. And between the solar array and the LED conversion that we have done in those buildings, there was no out of pocket from our client or the state or the landlord. We were able to and stay within budget and actually coming under budget. We have diverted 3.3 million pounds of carbon from our atmosphere. On that one site alone. And we've saved the we've saved about a million dollars in energy costs just in the last couple of years on this one location. So I like to say if you're a taxpayer in the state of California, you are welcome.

Tracie: 13:28

I love, so this is so interesting to me because. So I have a facilities background as well, which is why I'm always interested in hearing these stories. But you're right, like maybe not all our listeners are as enthralled with the building factor that we're talking about as much as you and I are. But the idea. But everyone lives in a climate and a lot of people obviously who know you and me who are gonna be listening to this are here in California and the idea of. Saving water. Right. We've grown up with drought, drought, drought. Mm-hmm. The idea of saving money and energy output. We've grown up with crazy utility costs because our population is so always growing and it's always, the oil stuff that you're talking about, right? The refineries, the cost of gas here in California, like everything's expensive and what you're doing is you're reducing costs, but doing it in such a way that. Makes things better as opposed to doing things cheaply. Right.

Carolyn: 14:30

Well, in one of the, one of the first buildings where we did a we did an LED conversion. And we did a turf conversion and we were able to by coordinating with the local Air Quality Management Board, they were giving grants. There was a bunch of different things going on. We were able to put ev charging stations in at this. Building and because we had, and the LED conversion that we did reduced the draw so much that there was no additional draw from these EV charging stations. I. And the thing about that is it adds value and it adds an amenity to a building for a landlord that is so much more meaningful than, putting in a cafeteria or putting in a waterfall or some kind of. Or a, or a little gym or, all it's something that differentiates the building. Yeah. It's also if you're in a big industrial park and all the buildings are the same and you're all competing for tenants traction. It, it, it attracts the tenants. It also helps the tenants attract and retain employees. Yep. Because if you're gonna work in a building that ha, if you had a choice between working in a building that has a free gas station and one that does not, right. Which are you gonna choose? Yep. Charge. And this per this particular building was purchased by my client. And, for about just under$3 million seven years later, he was able to sell that same building for just under$8 million. Now, I'm not saying that I'm in total control of changes in the real estate market. Yeah. However, the. Even if the improvements that we made only accounted for 10% of that increase in value, that's still so significant and we saved him money while we did it. Yep. So I, it, it. What I'm really happy about is that because we've been in existence now for 11 years, we have been able to amass data that show that really shows what can be done and what we can do. So that. We're more than just the lowest bidder as we go out, we're, we're actually able to be a, a huge value add for our clients and for the planet.

Tracie: 17:12

Yeah, and even on that we were talking about, the planet, we're talking about the landlords, we're talking about the tenants, the tenants, attracting employees, and even on top of all that too, you're inspiring people to see, oh, I work in a building that has LED lighting because it's more efficient. I work in a building who has a solar array so that our electrical costs are down. Who has a low water landscape system? That's lovely. You are inspiring those employees now to even look at their own situations, which is something that I don't know if you even think about, but it, it's happening, I'm sure, where they're like, maybe I should take out my lawn. Maybe I should do this at my house and I can reduce my costs and do something better. And you trickle down all the way down to the individual. And I think that's totally interesting.

Carolyn: 18:02

We did, we did a huge turf conversion. That, and, and it's a long story, I won't go into it, but it, we got, we had 150 volunteers and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And we did a video of the turf conversion and while why we were doing it. And the, there is. A young woman who's on one of the videos who was talking about how, how she was she was a student in the green business program at the local state college and how excited she was to be part of this. And. She's just great and brilliant and, and looks great on film. And we made this video and I show the video and I watch the video all the time'cause it just makes me so happy. So years later I'm working with a nonprofit that we had partnered with to do the all the turf conversions that we had done. And I go in and I'm meeting with them and I'm sitting across the table from their new program coordinator and I'm like. You look so familiar to me. And she said, I was at the event and I was like, oh, you were on her video. She goes, doing that event that day is what made me wanna come and work here and do this work. Yeah. And I'm like, she's and, and she's doing amazing work. And, and this nonprofit has done amazing work all, all over, the Bay Area and it's now expanding statewide and,

Tracie: 19:31

okay, so I have say also, so what that, what that is to me is the power of community, right? Yes. It's the trickle down of all the way down to the person who came to volunteer for you and someone else who volunteered, didn't go into that work, but told someone about it and that person did, or, reaches all kinds of people that you have no idea who you're reaching and I. What I wanna transition to the next story because what's happening is you are reaching people outside of your 11 years in this, in this capacity, in that same way right now, you're out there. Doing new things, reaching new people who are then telling other people, and again, you're, it's degrees of separation outside of the people that you actually are personally engaged with who are going to have the effect of the work and the words that you're sharing. So let's turn the corner to this one bold decision that you wanna share that is changing everything. For you, and I know that you have, we all do, especially those of us who are older. We've got a million of them throughout our lives. You're making changes now that are big. Yes. And so tell us about this bold time of your life and the decisions that you're making.

Carolyn: 21:00

Well, in May of 2024 I released my first solo book. And it's called Open for Joy, a journey of healing and business success. And I have started speaking and I'm speaking and it's been a challenge for me. One of the reasons I have my own business is because I'm completely unmanageable. And it is difficult for me to fit into somebody else's box. But I had an epiphany last weekend because I remembered when I first started my company, when I first started Clear Blue Commercial, I remember saying to myself, I wanna do some, I, I wanna run a company that has impact, that is a force for good that that adds value in to, to our clients, in our community, to our employees, et cetera. And I wanna do this for 10 years, and then I wanna go out and talk about it and talk about how we did this. And then I went on with my life and all of a sudden last weekend, I realized, oh my God, I said that and now it's happening.

Tracie: 22:14

Well, and was a year ago, which was the 10 year mark. Not Yes, the 11 year mark. So just subconsciously that clock was in you that just kept going and all of a sudden at 10 years, you're like, it's time. And forgetting about what you had said to yourself, even though Yes. Right there.

Carolyn: 22:34

Well, and. And really looking at what do I wanna bring to the world? And I realize I'm speaking to inspire. I want everybody to, bring their best selves to their work, and I want their life's work to be meaningful to them and add value. I know for me, a huge motivator is I wanna leave. I wanna leave the world. I want the world to be a better place because I was here. Yeah. And with that solar array, if, if, if I, if, if my feet don't hit the floor tomorrow morning, I know, I know exactly what my impact has been. And not that all the impact is good. I'm not a saint. And it's interesting to me as I go out in the world and I talk about sustainability and I talk about good thing, everybody wants to come up and confess to me all the ways in which they are not perfect and they are not. And I'm like, I have an equally long list. What I'm trying to do is on balance, am I. Doing more a, am I providing more benefit than damage?

Tracie: 23:46

Well, and I think we have to draw in and then let out the things that we personally are passionate about. Like the oil slick in the bay was a really impactful moment for you that you hold. Whether you consciously think of it or not, it's in you forever. It's been a part of your passion for continuing forward. And of course you can see other examples, but it always comes back, I would assume, even subconsciously, to, and this all began because I saw the oil slick in the bay, right? Mm-hmm. And so for some people, that's a, there's a different story, but there's the one thing that they know is their catalyst for whatever else. They're doing, whether it's animal rights or L-G-B-T-Q rights or diversity and equity and inclusion rights and all of the different things that we can,

Carolyn: 24:40

social justice, climate justice,

Tracie: 24:42

all of the things. So, we can, we can't be as passionate about all of them. Equally, we have to choose our, our lane, not our lane, like we don't have to not be in other lanes, but. But if we're not going in a direction, we're scattered.

Carolyn: 25:03

Well, I think, I think too, one of the things that, you know, and I've had some sales training especially'cause I guess I was selling real estate at one point, although not a huge fan of, of selling as our most people. But one of the things they talk about is your sphere of influence. Especially if you're in residential real estate and you're selling condos and houses and stuff. Oh, yeah. They talk to a lot of moms. Yeah. And, go to all your kids' sporting events and pass out your cards and lab, yep. Which is great. And, and it, and it's true. So in looking at and what I saw is in first of all, commercial real estate. And I'm gonna tell you a little secret here. I'm not particularly interested in real estate. I'm not, except that it's a huge driver of the national and world economy. Yep. And also commercial real estate is you get to be involved in everybody else's business because every business has to be somewhere. And needs, resources and, and those kinds of things. So, so you learn a lot about the interconnectedness of all of us all and how we can impact that in a positive way. But it's also a I learned that 30%, 30% of the carbon emissions in the world come from our commercial buildings. Well, the opportunity there for positive impact is huge. And, yeah. So for somebody who wants to do that, and as I've embarked now on my speaking consulting workshop, writing career as I'm trying to get out there, I, I really wanna encourage everybody to do what they can with what they have from where they are right now. And there are ways to look at that. A lot. It stops a lot of people in their tracks. One of the things that stopped me in my tracks when I first started writing and speaking about this is there are a lot of great experts on. On speaking and, and on work shopping and that sort of thing. And they were putting on me, well, you are the green person, so you should do 10 tips towards greening your business, or 10 tips towards, summer for your house, or this kind of thing. And I'm like, that's, I'm not that kind of subject matter expert. I could probably come up with 10 tips, but it's not what I really wanna put out there. What I really wanna put out there is. We all, to our knowledge, we only get this one life and tomorrow is not guaranteed for any of us. And I want people to start really looking at what are they doing with their work that could have a positive impact that would increase their passion. Yes. Maybe you are, maybe you're an accounting clerk. You're doing accounts payable and accounts receivable, but what does it mean and what can, and, and what can be done within that within that budgeting and in within that money that would improve the world in some way.

Tracie: 28:21

And you know what I love about what you said about starting now is, if they're an accounting clerk and they're 22 years old. And are you gonna wait till you're 40 to decide what kind of impact you wanna have? Start now, like you said. And so that's why I love your, the title for your book, open for Joy. It's like we're open, it's now.

Carolyn: 28:45

Mm-hmm.

Tracie: 28:45

Come in the door and let's have some joy, which means. Have joy about where you're going and why you're doing what you're doing. Even if all you're doing is balancing some other somebody's books. Like you're doing that. So that what you, I, when I was in facilities and I had a architect friend of mine, we were doing a project and she's I'm doing these office builds and I'm not excited. I'm not, and she would go and do, trips to Africa and help them build buildings in Africa where she felt that the social impact was much greater than what she was doing in Silicon Valley. And I said to her in the moment, I said, look at all these people here that you're affecting by creating pleasant, efficient office buildings to work in today. But, and ultimately she actually ended up leaving and changing her whole business and all of these things, but it always stuck with me that she didn't think she was having an impact today and she was. Mm-hmm. And I also felt the same way. I was helping all of these people navigate their changes in their offices that they didn't want. But how can we make it a. Look at the positives so that they believe that the reason that this is happening is for the good of the company, myself, my family, et cetera. And so if you can be open for joy, it, it, it can, it's all about being open and knowing that wherever you are today, you can start having an impact.

Carolyn: 30:21

One of the things that. Really opened my eyes was when we first and we have to recertify every. For B Corp every three years. When we were first certifying to be a B Corp and we're a tiny company, we had eight people in our company and we're in this one little office together and in a small town in Northern California, but I realized when we were going through that process, a lot of what we were doing was just documenting stuff we were already doing anyway. And and then once we had documented all this great stuff we were already doing anyway, it made it very, very easy for us to first of all, us as a group to have consensus on it. Look at all the good we're doing anyway. And it was also made it very easy to expand on that. Because we're already doing it anyway. And so that may even be the fir first part. People aren't really acknowledging the good that they're doing in the world. Businesses aren't really acknowledging the good that they're doing in the world'cause they're so busy doing their jobs and paying their bills and getting their kids to wherever they need to be. All, all this kind of stuff. But if you can stop and look and start documenting, where am I having positive impact and. Where can I have more positive impact is, is the way to start that. I love that.

Tracie: 31:50

I love that. And you know what, as you were talking, I real, I, the, what came into my mind was that's how the conversations go when we're at my retreats, right? The idea of, I'm, we have to get off the checklist and get off the rat race wheel to stop and recognize. What do we even want? What are we doing? And so at the next retreat, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about what impact have you already had and what impact do you want to have? So I, I need to write that down. It's recorded, so that's good. There we go. Yeah. All right, my friend. Well. I know. So let's talk about what's to come for you, because as you mentioned, you're, you've got your book, I know you're writing more, you're speaking, you're teaching, you're, you're doing all of these things in order to get your passion out to a larger audience of the planet. What's next? What do you wanna talk about that you're looking forward to in the near short term? Mm-hmm. And you don't have to talk about the 10 year dream, but tell us like the thing you're looking forward to most right now.

Carolyn: 33:02

I am very excited about. I am, I'm doing my, my very first workshop. That has distilled a lot of the, my writing and my speaking. And it's coming up on Sunday, July the 13th from 10 30 to 1230 in San Francisco.

Tracie: 33:21

Well, and I was gonna say, this is a podcast, so honestly, yeah, this will probably be out before then, but it's more of situation. Right. So, yes. We could say you're doing it and if it's after July, then she did it.

Carolyn: 33:36

But I, I'm assuming that this will not be the last one. Correct? You did the first one, is what I meant to say. Yes. The, and the workshop itself is called Saving the World by Playing big in your Small Business. Hmm. I love that title. So I'm really looking at the people who are, just busy running their businesses, like all of us are. That, are definitely very good people. I don't know a single business owner that doesn't volunteer somewhere that is not a philanthropist in some way, that is not in somehow doing good, but they're doing it on the side or they think they're doing it on the side. And as I said earlier, if we're spending the bulk of our waking lives. Working, how can we really use that work to bring the best that we have to the world and make the most positive impact it can. Yeah.

Tracie: 34:34

Awesome. Yeah. As you were going through the list of all the things I was thinking of the three boards that I'm on. Yes. Right. And they're all on the side. One of them is related to my business, but the other two are not. They're full Phil philanthropic. Both of them. But I do that because I know that the work that I do in offering my positive energy and my enthusiasm and my experience brings something to those boards. And so it's is all tied together. But you're right, that idea of the work itself, how is it having the impact that I know I'm having in the boards, but. So, yeah, I love it.

Carolyn: 35:16

I had somebody say and this was years ago when I was in a huge organization and I had, of thousands of people and, and I had I was in the entertainment industry and so I was running a movie studio and these people were making movies and I had 150 people under me. And I was, i, I was socially with one of the managers that worked for me and she was talking about somebody that had worked for her, that she, that she had recruited, who was now moving on to something much bigger and better in the company. And she was talking about how, well, I want credit for everything he ever does.'cause I'm the one who recruited him and I'm the one that, gave, yeah. Helped give him that opportunity. And I'm like. I was biting a hole in my tongue at that point because what she didn't realize is I felt the same way about her and everything shielded she was going to do, but it, looking back. It was a very good way of her acknowledging the benefit that her work provides. It's like they say when you throw the pebble in the pond and the ripples go out. Well, not only is there are you, if you wanna have more impact, you either need a bigger rock or you need a bigger pond. Yeah. Or more pebbles. More pebbles or more people throwing pebbles. Yep. So, so there's, that's what I meant by pebbles more people. Yeah. And, and so that has really gotten me thinking about. Even though you think you're doing what you're doing on the side you have, you have a stake in everything I ever do and anything I bring into the world because of the work that I've already done with you and your workshops and what I'm getting out of the gather community and what I'm getting out of bold and brilliant. So it's all part of the same stuff. Yep. So that's part of the goodness you're bringing into the world.

Tracie: 37:24

Well, that we all are right? Yes. It's the communities that we're part of. It's the people that we work with touch, relate to every day. If we're bringing good things, then they're receiving good things. And therefore, we, we, we talk about, you can't pour from an empty cup. Well, whatever is in the cup is what pours. Yes. So when we give good stuff. We fill other people's cups up with good stuff. Then their cups pour out good stuff and they give their good stuff to other people's cups. And it's, a trickle down, literally a trickle down. Carolyn, I am so thrilled that you were able, like we could talk for literally hours. Oh yeah. We've talked for days in a row already in the past, so I wish that we could just stay here and keep, but we both have things to do, so we probably should get going and. We'll have to just do another episode maybe after your workshop or later this year. We'll, and we'll see, we'll do a follow up and see how everything's going. And I know that you're looking for stages for speaking, to share your messages, all of those things. So anyone out there listening to this episode, we're all in this together. We're here to make the world more bold and more brilliant and to share what we have and what we're passionate about with the other people that we can reach, and then they'll reach more people and so on and so on. So let's just keep doing that. And Karen, I would love that. Yes. And so thank you so much for your time today for being here, and we'll do it again soon. Thanks for being on the Bold and Brilliant podcast.

Carolyn: 39:06

Thank you so much for being you and for all you do.

Tracie: 39:10

Thank you.